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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 3 AUG 89 ****************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/03/89 22:37 Msg:4197 Call:23053 Lines:2
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20 It is not necessary to light a candle to the sun.
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21 ********************************************************************
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003=Usr:322 Stray Cat 08/03/89 23:31 Msg:4198 Call:23054 Lines:2
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22
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23 WOW, I'm first ... so where is everybody???
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004=Usr:116 Michael Gray 08/04/89 04:49 Msg:4199 Call:23061 Lines:4
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24 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
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25 PRAYING WE DON'T GET MORE
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26 NEWS SERVICE UPLOADS!!!!!
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27 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/04/89 08:39 Msg:4200 Call:23063 Lines:6
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28 &*&*&*&*'s
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29 I was going to mention that I'm near the top, But I wont. :-)
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31 An Astral Dreamer
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32 &*&*&*&*'s
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006=Usr:4 Milchar 08/04/89 11:29 Msg:4201 Call:23068 Lines:8
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34 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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35 Friar: When do I get downtown? Why, every day. I live in an
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36 apartment off the South Park Blocks.
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37 ++++++++
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38 Well, it was nice to see everyone who made it to the PCS Pizza Social-
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39 small group though it was. Inner Mysteries of BW discussed and so on.
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40 We really must do this more often.
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41 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milchar ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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007=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/04/89 15:24 Msg:4202 Call:23070 Lines:9
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42 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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43 Well, then, if everyone is still here, then are we up to a little multi user
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44 tale or two? And, hey, here's a novel ide... We might actually consider
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45 FINISHING it instead of just ENDING it this time! That is, if anyone has any
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46 ideas... And I assume Mikey does NOT
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47 want anyone ressurecting the Inn, so that leaves that idea out. Suggestions,
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48 faithful ones?
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49 No rabbits this time, I promise! :)
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50 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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008=Usr:322 Stray Cat 08/05/89 08:05 Msg:4203 Call:23083 Lines:5
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51 XOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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53 Pretty neat border, don't you think??? Just wanted to try it out ...
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55 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/05/89 13:59 Msg:4204 Call:23088 Lines:10
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56 &*&*&*&*'s
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57 We had a cyber-punkish world going for awhile, but it has sort of died out.
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58 But it wouldn't be that hard to revive.
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60 Best we pick a genra and start in. I vote for cyber-punk, but I'm flexible.
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61
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62 An Astral Dreamer
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63 &*&*&*&*'s
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65 (Ok, so I can't spell.)
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010=Usr:4 Milchar 08/06/89 00:00 Msg:4205 Call:23096 Lines:7
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67 Weeellll... I'm flexible. Anything interesting would do, but I am
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68 stuck for new thoughts at the moment. I shall ponder new avenues of
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69 creativity. As for the Cyberpunk genre, I sort of wrote myself into
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70 a corner, and couldn't think of a way out. A fresh start would be
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71 best, all round.
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72 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/06/89 11:36 Msg:4206 Call:23103 Lines:9
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73 &*&*&*&*'s
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74 OK, I know people are loging in. (You can't fool me, I'm level 1.) So could
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75 you Please leave messages?
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76
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77 It seems that whenever somebody mentions writing the board dries up.
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79 An Astral Dreamer
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80 &*&*&*&*'s
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012=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/06/89 14:04 Msg:4207 Call:23104 Lines:26
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82 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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83 Cyber Punk, eh? Definite possibilities. Perhaps a cyber punk style planet,
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84 keeping a bar room atmosphere in honor of the Inn, but creating some mystical
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85 meeting place of the mind that somehow contrasts the stark-future outside the
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86 window. No, not technology versus the mystical arts, but instead a world
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87 where those arts are all but forgotten, and need to be revived. Unlike the
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88 late, lamented Inn, this might allow for science fiction AN fantasy to exist
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89 side by side... I've always been rather annoyed by writers who seem to think
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90 that the two have to be exclusive on any given world. A sword & laser epic set
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91 against the backdrop of a thousand worlds... Sinbad & Alladin mixing in
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92 a touch of John Carter, with a little bit of Shadow & Doc Savage, to allow
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93 for the heroic element that *usually* appears in the handles/characters used
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94 by various individuals, and giving
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95 those characters the opportunitty to take the best of both worlds... Magic
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96 at its best, for all its wonder and its potential for creating plot ideas, and
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97 science for transportation, logical continuity, and a SOLID background from
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98 which the mystical element can bounce off of.
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99 We'd need a little bit of Inn thrown in for good measure... Perhaps a few
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100 lost artifacts? Say, no one ever really explained what the planet that the
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101 Inn was on was like, did they? What
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102 happened to the populance of that world? We've been shown that ma have the
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103 ability to hop dimensins, so did they end up in this new planet? Dimension
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104 change, or merely distance? Time change or simply different planet?
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105 This is the best part about literary telecommunications... Look at us,
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106 we're making a PLANET!
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107 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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013=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/06/89 18:23 Msg:4208 Call:23109 Lines:14
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108 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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109 O, Astral - not all of us are level one. I'd be willing to contribute
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110 to a Fantasy/SF/CyberPunk storyline. Say, was the pond destroyed along
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111 with the Inn? - that might be a good place to start. Something approx-
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112 imating the old multi-user stories of the Inn would be ideal. Gurus:
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113 is there a particular place/state-of-mind associated with BWMSII??
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115 Mostly a swoblurk...
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116
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117 "In my opinion, anyone interested in improving himself should not _
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118 rule out becoming pure energy." /#)
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119 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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120 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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121 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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014=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/06/89 21:46 Msg:4209 Call:23112 Lines:6
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122 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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123 SWOB-
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124 All right, I'll admit it, I am not *that* well read. Who is this Jack
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125 Handey character, and where can I read more of him. He seems a rather
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126 interesting bloke.
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127 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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015=Usr:371 The Adherent 08/07/89 01:55 Msg:4210 Call:23119 Lines:11
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128 L----!----!-----------------------------------------------------!----!---R
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129 Mr. Rabbit: How about NOT using a bar motif that the memory might rest
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130 in peace? ...just jack-in and cruise the nearest bright spot.
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131 A. Dreamer: The place dries up? Oh, dry up yourself. :-) It just so
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132 happens that I am trying to mold a start for something, yet I am
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133 running into the age-old question of the solo-writer: What next?
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134 MIKEY: (as I let the cat out of te bag...) I hope the 3M disks I gave
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135 you are adequate (ie. they work). Just curious.
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136 -adherent
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137 L----!----!-----------------------------------------------------!----!---R
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016=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/07/89 13:43 Msg:4211 Call:23130 Lines:12
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139 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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140 Friar: I wish I knew where to find more Jack Handey stuff. All I have
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141 are some quotes that appeared in the Oregonian a couple years
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142 back. All I know is that he's an author from Arizona - maybe
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143 Powell's has something. I'll have to check before I run out
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144 of quotes!
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146 "I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both _
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147 Dracula *and* Superman away." /#)
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148 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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149 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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150 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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017=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/07/89 14:06 Msg:4212 Call:23132 Lines:92
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151 Too Tired To Think...
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152 I agree, let's all pray for no more "news" on BWMS. I personally
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153 find the continual discussion of who's lurking and wanting to start a story but
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154 having no ideas truly facinating reading. But then I'm...
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155 Too Tired To Think...
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156
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157 696969696969
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158 he, he, he. Your prayers are answered:DEBATE - HELP FOR THE WORKING
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159 The working poor are not deadbeats. They don't want a government handout.
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160 They want to earn their own way. They deserve our respect and our help.
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161 Working poor is a concept we cannot accept, especially when the price is paid
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162 in blood.
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163 OTHER VIEWS:
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164 CHRISTINE PRATT MARSTON, consultant and advocate on anti-poverty issues:
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165 The plight of the working poor calls for a higher minimum wage, keeping more
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166 factory jobs, making sure new jobs are good jobs, more education and training,
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167 day care, health care for all, stronger unions, more worker-management
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168 cooperation, more decent housing and more realistic standards for assistance.
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169 JEFF RIGGENBACH, free-lance writer and broadcaster: There is no greater
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170 enemy of the working poor than government. If those currently in government
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171 honestly want to make life easier for the working poor, they should begin by
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172 rolling back every effort they've made in that direction in the past. After
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173 that, they should sit firmly on their hands.
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174 REP. THOMAS DOWNEY, D-N.Y.: "It's up to government to make work pay more
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175 than welfare."
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176 DAVID ELLWOOD, Harvard professor, poverty expert: "For the first time in
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177 history, we have sons making less than their fathers."
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178 PATRICK GRACE CONOVER, national coordinator, church and society programs,
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179 United Church of Christ: "When we focus on just one legislative aspect of the
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180 problem of poverty, we often lose sight of the reality that those in poverty
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181 are people."
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182 BALTIMORE, MD., Gaynell Guice, 25, administrative assistant: "Instead of
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183 giving billions of dollars away to foreign countries like Israel and spending
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184 billions of dollars on weapons like the B-2 bomber, we need to put more money
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185 in programs that would benefit the poor. We have many homeless, poor, lost and
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186 hopeless people who could use those billions."
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187 CHEEKTOWAGA, N.Y., Benedict Cirino, 64, retired distributor: "I've been
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188 following the HUD scandal, and I think Jack Kemp is doing all he can to clean
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189 up the mess and make sure the poor get what they deserve. He's doing what he
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190 can to help the poor. But I definitely think the minimum wage should be raised
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191 ..."
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192 MORAGA, CALIF., Joyce Kane, 40, homemaker: "It's like a Catch-22. No
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193 matter what people do to make ends meet, it doesn't seem to be enough. The
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194 government can't help with everything, but day care is one area where there
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195 should be federal help ..."
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196
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197 DIPLOMATS QUIVER AT BUSH REMARK:-8/7/89
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198 When President Bush put out a condemnation of kidnapping last week, some
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199 U.S. diplomats shivered. In tarnishing with one brush Israel for capturing
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200 Sheik Abdul Karim Obeid and Shiite terrorists for apparently killing hostage
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201 Lt. Col. William Higgins, Bush signaled Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt he was
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202 not knee-jerk in his support of Israel. Bush's words and Israel's act hurt
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203 relations.
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204 Talk of a Mideast hostage swap fills the air after Israel and its Shiite
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205 neighbors staked out new turf Sunday. The Revolutionary Justice Organization,
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206 which holds U.S. hostage Joseph Cicippio, pledged to free him if Israel frees
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207 Sheik Obeid, 150 Lebanese, 300 Palestinian prisoners. Hezbollah leader Hussein
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208 Mousawi threatened to kill an Israeli soldier unless Israel frees Obeid.
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209 GADHAFI BRISTLES AT BRIT SNUB:-8/7/89
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210 Col. Moammar Gadhafi was incensed by British media criticism of his
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211 contention that William Shakespeare was of Arab origin. He had his radio,
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212 JANA, strike back at British "chauvinism," saying any Arab ties to Shakespeare
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213 would be "an honor to the British and Shakespeare himself and his family."
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214
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215 SENIOR SUICIDE RATE CLIMBING:-8/7/89
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216 The suicide rate for senior citizens increased 25 percent between 1981 and
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217 1986, say new government statistics. The rise brought the suicide rate for
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218 those 65 years old and older to 21.6 per 100,000 - nearly double the national
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219 average of 12.8 per 100,000. Science News reports in its Aug. 5 issue that the
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220 suicide rate for seniors had been on a 50-year downward trend before 1981.
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221
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222 CHILDHOOD AIDS CASES TO RISE:-8/7/89
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223 Nationwide, 1,681 children younger than 13 have AIDS, the Centers for
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224 Disease Control said recently. New York City has the most cases, with 451. The
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225 CDC expects the national number to increase to 3,000 by 1991. For every child
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226 who has AIDS, CDC estimates there are two to 10 others infected with the
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227 disease who remain free from symptoms.
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228 The newly selected head of the National Commission on AIDS said recently
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229 that she wanted to convey a simple message: "Everybody who dies is somebody's
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230 son or daughter." Michigan pediatrician Dr. June Osborn was selected Thursday
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231 to head the newly formed commission. She is dean of the University of
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232 Michigan's School of Public Health, and a professor of epidemiology at the
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233 school.
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234
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235 DRUGS SHOW PROMISE, DEMAND UP:
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236 New evidence that the AIDS drugs AZT and deoxyinosine - or DDI - are
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237 promising therapies against the disease is likely to pressure the government
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238 to speed clinical trials of the drug. The Financial Times reported this week
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239 that new studies showing the drugs effective in the early stages of the
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240 disease has triggered a call for increased availability of the drugs to all
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241 AIDS patients.
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018=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/07/89 14:26 Msg:4213 Call:23133 Lines:23
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243 GOD, and the GOP +++ALWAYS+++ answer your prayers...just no always the way you
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244 ask.
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246 696969696969696969
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248 CRRRUUUMMMBBBLLLAAASSSHHHHUUUMMMMBBPPPTTT!!!!! She was shocked into reality.
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249 As her vision cleared and she was able to focus, she could see that she was
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250 materializing inside what looked vaguely like the ancient Earth-style gathering
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251 places she had read about in history classes. Only, somehow, she knew there
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252 something unusual about this place. She couldn't seem to remember anything
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253 prior to now. Where had she been? How had she gotten here? Her vision, and
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254 thinking cleared a little more now, and she realized she wasn't alone. In
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255 front of her was a round table, with a half-consumed dark amber fluid in a
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256 container of some sort sitting on it. Across the size-less room she could see
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257 several other creatures communicating with each other, but couldn't make out
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258 their words, or details of their appearance. "They look humanoid, I think."
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259 she thought to herself. Then she became aware of a feeling of warmth, and
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260 friendship permeating the atmosphere, and she began to feel much better. As
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261 she realized this, her vison cleared and all her senses returned. She could
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262 see that a very cordial-looking individual was beginning to approach her.
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263
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019=Usr:115 John Bach 08/07/89 20:08 Msg:4214 Call:23141 Lines:44
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267 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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269 A *NEW* board to log into!
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274 I I I RACONA >Codisk station< I
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279 I o We support ALL computer types! I
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281 I o Programmers welcome I
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282 I I
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283 I o Twittiness allowed I
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285 I o Flames and foul language only I
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286 I on designated boards I
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288 I I
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291 Phone Number: 503-236-xxxx
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292 20 hours a day from 12pm to 6am weekdays, and 3pm to 6am Sunday.
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293
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294 SysOp: John Bach a.k.a. Hans Bolo
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296 Co-SysOps: "Kid"
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297 "Kev"
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298 "Belgarath"
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299 and "Scott H."
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301 We are the *ONLY* CoDisk software supporter in the entire US.
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303 System specs: IBM XT/turbo with 10 meg HD, 512k ram, Hercules graphics
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304 Software: RBBS-PC 17.2a
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306 Goal/plans: To become one of three rbbs-net boards in Portland, and to set up
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307 a better programmer/user interface.
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308
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309 Call NOW!
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020=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/08/89 08:24 Msg:4215 Call:23153 Lines:16
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310 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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311 CRRRUUUMMMBBBLLLAAASSSHHHUUUMMMMBBPPPTTT!!!!!
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312 I jumped in my chair, tipping over my snifter of B&B. I looked across the
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313 room and saw a humanoid form misting into appearance. "An odd way to appear
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314 here," I thought to myself, "But not too different from a set of bagpipes
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315 as a time/space distorter."
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316 I set my napkin on the spill, got up and ambled over to the new arrival,
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317 stopping by the bar to grab a pitcher of ale, two mugs, a plate of sandwiches
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318 and a shaker of salt. "Greetings friend. Are you hungry or thirsty? Let
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319 us meet. I am Friar Mossback, of the Agnosti." I motioned to a chair and
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320 set the food and drink on the table. I bowed and poured a bit of salt in
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321 my hand, tasted it, threw the remainder over my shoulder, and handed the
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322 shaker to the new arrival. If she knew the custom, we could at least know we
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323 had a common heritage to work from.
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324 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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021=Usr:115 John Bach 08/08/89 09:47 Msg:4216 Call:23157 Lines:7
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326 from John Bach @9:45, 8-7-1989
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328 This is an interesting board. Is it true that this is actually run on a
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329 disk drive with this program burned into it?
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330
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331 Oh.. I just read the AU command... I see. So it IS a computer. I guess the
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332 BWMS I was the one I'm thinking of.
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022=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/08/89 12:54 Msg:4217 Call:23161 Lines:8
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334 As the illuminating light of the third moon slipped behind the Stone
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335 Triad, small spheres of glowing energy bobbed up into the thick green mist
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336 that swirled through the night sky, allowing night passersby the safety of
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337 proper lighting, the better for them to conduct whatever business had
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338 brought them to Pyrix A'aaal.
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023=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/08/89 13:12 Msg:4218 Call:23162 Lines:73
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341 On this particular night, if the unending blackness of the
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342 Third Cycle could even be considered night, the streets
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343 of the markets and the doorsteps of the shops were
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344 surprisingly empty, save for a few stray gallowits and
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345 night devils, scrounging for sustainance in their
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346 unending struggle for survival in the sometimes harsh
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347 environment that they called "home."
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348 In one of the Networks, the dark alleyways that run like
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349 silvery catacombs throughout the entire City of Day, a
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350 beggar idly watched one of his mammalian comerades in poverty
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351 as it dug through a waste receptacle, only yp appear
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352 empty pawed from its odious depths.
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353 "=Ey, little fellow, you're not going t'find
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354 anything there.=" the old man muttered in Dialect, the slang
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355 of the Legions. . . The vagabonds who inhabited the darkness
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356 that enveloped the Networks.
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357 The tiny creature paused, as if contemplating the words of
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358 the beggar. Then, silently, it looked upwards at te
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359 pale green sky, its long, whiskered ears pricked up, as
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360 if the creature were answering a summons from on high.
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361 With a start, the little animal whimpered and leaped away
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362 into one of the nondescript corners of the Net, its
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363 only action in passage being the overturning of the waste
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364 receptacle, which promptly spilled its contents onto the
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365 ancient vagabond who had been the sole observer of these
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366 events.
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367 Sputtering mild expletives, the man began to brush the
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368 thick, syrupy products from his tattered green coat, clicking his
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369 tongue in evident distaste over the present condition of his
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370 out-of-date garb.
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371 A cloud moved towards the Triad of Stone in the sky, pausing
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372 just beneath its cracked surface. A low rumbling began to
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373 rise from the distance, like the beating of a lonesome drummer
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374 against drums of bone.
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375 The withered old man paused from his cleaning and gazed at the
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376 sky, as the small creature had done before.
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377 "Clamph!" he whispered, so awed by the sight that was
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378 now unfolding before him that he neglected the commands of his
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379 chosen diety that Her name not be used in vain.
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380 A low hum filled the alleyway, as the man backed into a corner,
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381 spreading the greasy remains from the receptacle over the paper-littered
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382 ground.
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383 Then, suddenly, all sound ceased.
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384 All was quiet.
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385 A silent beam dropped from the thick cloud, a beam of sizzling
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386 orange, contrasting starkly with the green sky from which, even now, it
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387 was falling.
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388 The pavement hissed for a few moments, and then a bright
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389 flash forced the onlooker to turn his red-lined eyes from the odd
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390 spectacle that was unfolding before him.
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391 When he finally managed to store up enough courage to look once more
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392 towards the beam, it had vanished. In its place stood a
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393 tall, strikingly handsome young humanoid male. Dressed in grey,
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394 reflective garb, with a cloak of bold blue upon his back, he strode
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395 towards the old man, like an unearthly force given life by the
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396 energy that seethed around him. It danced and sparked, sputtering
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397 as bits of stray lightning crashed together where he moved. He
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398 gripped the shoulders of the beggar with thin fingers that had an
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399 impossibly strong grip for so thin and wiry a man, and with a voice
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400 that tinged with the cold ring of steel, he whispered.
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401 "This place. Where?" His eyes seemed to crackle with energy.
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402 The beggar, speechless with fear, could only mutter and sob.
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403 "Ah." the cloaked man said. "I see. Unintelligent life." With
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404 a casual expression, he snapped the man's neck, tossing the lifeless
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405 body to the ground.
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406 The cloaked man jolted upright. A flash of understanding crept
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407 across his features. "Understood. I will comply."
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408 There, at last, he had been given his mission. Short, precise,
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409 but leaving enough to chance to make this interesting. The hunt had
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410 begun, and only with a word, which the cloaked man whispered again
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411 and again under his icy breath.
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412 "Friar..."
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414 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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415 Wll, it looks like the big Morality Debate is about over. I'd almost
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416 forgotten I still had one more post on disk here - I'd just skip it but
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417 I think it addresses some important points.
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418
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419 M> I don't even want to
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420 M> get into morals, because that is a massive can of worms to deal with that
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421 M> is purely personal in nature. Yet far too many people believe that _their_
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422 M> moral system is the only acceptable system and that all other people must
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423 M> be forced to comply to their personal vision of reality.
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424
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425 Certainly the person who faults others for not coming up with
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426 the same conclusions he did does wrong, but do understand, this is
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427 *not* what I am advocating. The kind of person you are thinking of
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428 thinks that everybody else believes the same things he does, and if
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429 he sees a discrepancy between what they do and what he believes, he
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430 assumes that they see it too and did it anyway. In short, he thinks
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431 that just because what they do seems wrong to him, that it also seems
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432 wrong to them, and that they therefore do wrong in doing it. The kind
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433 of person I'm thinking of believes what he does because he thinks it's
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434 true, but at the same time he acknowledges that this is something he
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435 has learned, something logical. Therefore, when he notices differences
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436 in ideologies not in line with his own, he at once believes them to be
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437 errors, but does not consider the one who believes them to be criminal.
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438 If he sees something in the new ideology which he finds to be true, he
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439 will adopt it. I try to be this kind of person. While I believe you
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440 may be completely true to your beliefs, and therefore not *wrong* in
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441 the personal sense (and have every right to believe what you do), I
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442 believe wholeheartedly that your ideology is wrong. Much like the
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443 quote you gave a while back (Voltaire???).
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444 I don't fault the Ancients for thinking that pi was 3. They
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445 were, of course, wrong, but it wasn't because they wanted to cheat
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446 the pie-makers by ordering by radius and taking .1415... off of pi.
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447 They honestly thought that it was three. If someone discovers that
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448 the world we live in is not really Euclidean and hands me a new,
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449 revised version of pi, I will certainly change my value, provided
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450 I have reason to believe he's right. This means that I was wrong
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451 in my previous belief, but not wrong in believing it. This is how
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452 I feel about other ideologies, too. That is one of the main ideas
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453 I'm trying to present.
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454
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455 M> I don't seek after "truth" in that sense, I seek after information.
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456 M> I accept the concept that there may be many "truths". I try to understand
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457 M> the alternate truths so that I can better understand how other people
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458 M> think and how they have formed their reality.
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459
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460 My only problem with this is that I see no basis for your
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461 preferring understanding to ignorance (or even open-mindedness
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462 to closed).
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463
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464 M> I operate within the current version of my own reality, but I also
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465 M> recognize that there are other realities and other versions of the
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466 M> truth that may not fit my own. This does not make them right or wrong,
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467 M> it only makes them different.
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468
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469 You say you operate within the "current" version of your own
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470 reality. What was the reason you changed from your previous
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471 versions of reality?
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472
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473 M> For some people Jesus was the son of God, for others he was just a
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474 M> man who happen to be in the right place at the right time. Some people
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475 M> demand that one view or the other be the only acceptable reality, so
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476 M> they pick one and deny the other. Yet, they are both perfectly valid
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477 M> views of reality that depend on your belief system.
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478
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479 A person may of course decide upon either one based upon his
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480 best information, but surely only one can be correct.
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481
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482 M Though morality is often justified by logical proofs, it is
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483 M> based in beliefs not logic.
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484
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485 Absolutely! Moral specifics may be justified by logic when
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486 logic is applied to the basic beliefs (axioms). Morality in totality
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487 cannot be justified by logic since its axioms are moral, not logical.
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488 Note that this by no means precludes its being absolute. I take it
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489 you believe logic to be absolute - make no mistake, this is a belief,
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490 just as much as belief in morality is.
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491
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492 M> The logical proof is an attempt to
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493 M> scientifically prove that a specific morality is the "right" one
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494 M> and that all others are "wrong".
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495
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496 The logical proof may attempt to prove a specific morality
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497 to be right and all others with the same axioms wrong, but only given
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498 the reader accepts the axioms. The real essence of the moral system
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499 lies in the axioms, all else is the logical extension of them. Surely
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500 someone who didn't believe that the shortest line between two points
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501 is straight would scoff at geometry texts. The geometry is only true
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502 as long as the axioms hold. There has been some debate as to whether
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503 the space we live in is Euclidean. In response, many texts take care
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504 to note that they deal with Euclidean geometry and that the theory
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505 discussed may not apply to all areas (like particle physics). If
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506 one does not believe the premise, one will not believe the logical
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507 extensions of it.
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508
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509 M> Though I'll certainly fight to keep my reality intact if
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510 M> it is attacked by another.
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511
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512 How may someone attack your morality? If you do not share
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513 _any_ common beliefs about morality, how can he expose (or think
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514 he has exposed) some error in your thinking? There can be no
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515 logical extension of 'there are no morals,' and nothing logical
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516 (as far as *I* can see) can induce you to believe a moral axiom.
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517
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518 M> Mostly though, I tend to point out that one person's belief system
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519 M> is not the only possible one when I see that stance taken. It doesn't
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520 M> always gain me a favorable response, but at least they know where I'm
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521 M> coming from, and just maybe they will think about it.
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522
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523 Good idea. But I hope they won't think they have to abandon
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524 all hope for truth in order to believe it.
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525
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526 Hagbard> Logic is, in itself, self-defeating. If you can think of a
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527 Hagbard> single paradox, then you will find what I am describing.
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528
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529 I think logic is quite robust, actually. Paradoxes are nonsense
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530 in that they are not logical. 'This sentence is false' does not
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531 attack the foundation of logic unless part of that foundation is that
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532 all sentences are logically coherent.
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533
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534 Hagbard> Don't believe that logic is all-proof. After all, how do you
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535 Hagbard> define logic? There is nothing lower: you have reached the
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536 Hagbard> foundation of modern understanding.
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537
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538 Absolutely. You must either accept or reject logic, just as
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539 you must accept or reject morality. All proofs must ultimately be
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540 based in acceptance of *something* without question.
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541
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542 Hagbard> As for the good-evil thing, before anyone makes another entry,
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543 Hagbard> have you considered that good and evil are self-defining? "What
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544 Hagbard> is good shall not be evil, but what is Evil, shall not be good."
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545
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546 Of course. Acceptance of morality is acceptance of the dichotomy.
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547
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548 Hagbard> That is all YOU can be sure of - that "I think, therefore
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549 Hagbard> I am", and that your view is simply a view, regardless of moral,
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550 Hagbard> logical, or ethical values. To say that good and evil are evident,
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551 Hagbard> is accepting pre-defined values. Start from the beginning
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552 Hagbard> (foundation) and work your way there, or start from here
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553 Hagbard> (acceptence of belief) an work your way back to the foundation.
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554 Hagbard> But don't start from the middle and go both ways - unless you wish
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555 Hagbard> to discuss mysticism, cults, religions, belief systems, cultures,
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556
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557 I don't quite follow you. I see acceptance of good and evil as
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558 the foundation of morality. If you mean to start in the logical
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559 foundation, I cannot think of a way to generate moral absolutes from
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560 logical ones.
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561
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562 Snailhead> If it weren't for "evil", then "good" wouldn't look so good,
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563 Snailhead> would it?
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564
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565 Calling something "good" would be like ascribing it the
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566 quality of 'snervl,' which would be defineable only as 'nothing
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567 can be un-snervl.' Without evil, good wouldn't look like anything.
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568 If someone says that evil is good because good wouldn't be good
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569 without evil, he is confused. He is using the concept of good and
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570 evil to judge good and evil. His results are therefore meaningless.
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571
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572 "If someone ever accused me of being a hypocrite, I think I just _
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573 would pretend it didn't bother me." /#)
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574 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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575 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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576 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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577 ...................................................
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578 The individual seemed cordial indeed, presenting gifts and uttering what seemed
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579 to be a friendly greeting. The tongue sounded familiar, but she couldn't quite
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580 place a meaning to the sounds. She took the cylindrical container from the
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581 smiling stranger, and bowed. She shook some of the powder onto her hand and
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582 gingerly tasted it. It was salt! Vague snatches of memory began to present
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583 themselves, but she couldn't seem to get them to focus into anything definite.
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584 As she began to throw the rest of the salt over her shoulder, as she had seen
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585 the other do, words began to enter her head. There was a warm familiarity to
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586 this ritual, altho....Yes, she thought, this is a stop she had made before, but
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587 when? And, "Where am I", she heard herself say outloud. The one who called
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588 itself "Friar" smiled.
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589 .....................................................
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591 696969696969
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592 `DARK CIRCLE' FILM: Judy Irving, documentary film maker, and B
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593 vice president of Public Broadcasting Service's programming, talk with USA
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594 TODAY's Barbara Reynolds about the film "Dark Circle," which looks at the
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595 nuclear industry.
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596 WHY HAS YOUR FILM `DARK CIRCLE' TAKEN SO LONG TO AIR?
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597 IRVING: We tried about three times to get the show on PBS. First, they
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598 wanted us to cut it to an hour. Then they were concerned with a certain
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599 sequence that takes place at an arms convention where nuclear weapons are sold
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600 like boats are sold.
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601 WHAT CONCERNED THEM ABOUT THE SEQUENCE?
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602 IRVING: We named all the corporations that built the hydrogen bomb, and we
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603 included their slogans, too. That sequence was particularly troublesome to PBS.
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604 WHY WAS IN TROUBLESOME TO PBS?
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605 IRVING: General Electric, Rockwell International, and AT&T - companies
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606 that have built the hydrogen bomb - are also underwriters of PBS programming.
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607 So I would imagine that made them nervous, although they said the sequence was
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608 not germane.
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609 YOU BELIEVE PBS WAS TRYING TO CENSOR YOUR FILM?
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610 IRVING: Yes I do. Because it was accepted for national broadcast in 1985
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611 by PBS and then they unaccepted the film in the spring of '86. To me, that's
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612 censorship. The ostensible reason was that it was biased and one-sided and
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613 that it wasn't objective journalism.
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614 HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE CHARGES?
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615 CHASE: It is doubly insulting to have a film maker make a charge like that
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616 and then to do so without any evidence. I maintain that a look at the evidence
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617 would show that when faced with direct objections by program underwriters, PBS
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618 does not bend or break.
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619 knuckle under maybe, but not bend or break.
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620
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621 OIL-RECYCLE PLANT ENDS IN FIGHT:-8/8/89
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622 A $2 million oil recycling plant built in 1982 in Camden, N.J., has failed
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623 miserably, officials say, resulting in a costly legal battle between the city
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624 and the operator. The firm, Flowen Oils Delaware Valley Inc., is fighting the
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625 city about ownership of land and $100,000-plus in property taxes. Camden
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626 officials claim Flowen exploited the city and improperly filed for bankruptcy
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627 in Texas.
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628 SPILL KILLS HUNDREDS OF EAGLES:-8/8/89
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629 The Exxon oil spill apparently caused hundreds of bald eagles in Alaska to
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630 die or abandon their nests. Biologists say of 360 eagle nests, only 46 were
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631 active at the end of June. And Robert Mesta of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
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632 Service says some nests were found abandoned, with dead, oil-covered sea birds
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633 in them.
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634
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635 CASH MISSING FROM COFFERS:-8/8/89
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636 Up to 80 percent of the nation's cash is missing. The Federal Reserve says
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637 an average of $243 billion in hard cash is circulating outside U.S. banks.
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638 Another $27 billion is in vaults. But Fed statisticians can only account for
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639 the amount adults hold in their pockets, purses and piggy banks, or 14 percent
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640 of the $243 billion.
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641 The Federal Reserve figures people in the underground economy - drug
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642 dealers, tax evaders and organized crime figures - hold 5 percent to 6 percent
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643 of the $243 billion in cash circulating outside U.S. banks. But nearly $200
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644 billion can't be found. Many experts believe the missing money has made its
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645 way, legally or illegally, into foreign lands.
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646 The U.S. dollar is used as currency in underground economies in Poland,
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647 Southeast Asia and other areas. It gets there through different means,
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648 including crime and bank transfers. U.S. banks in New York, Miami and Los
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649 Angeles routinely ship hard cash overseas. Citizens in South Africa, Central
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650 America and other hot spots hoard dollars because the money is easily carried.
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651 If foreigners are holding most of the U.S. cash, the nation could gain
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652 from it because it amounts to an interest-free loan, says Robert Avery, a
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653 financial expert at Cornell University. But that means the nation owes even
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654 more to foreigners than statistics show. It's great as long as they hold it,
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655 says the Fed's Paul Spindt.
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656
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657 BUSH KEEPS QUIET ON HOSTAGES:-8/8/89
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658 The White House went quiet Monday in hopes underground diplomacy can help
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659 free eight U.S. hostages held in Lebanon. White House press secretary Marlin
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660 Fitzwater likened diplomatic efforts for the hostages to activity in a bazaar.
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661 "There are a lot of ideas being floated, a lot of exchanges being made, but
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6&2 it's primarily a matter of talking and listening and not signaling your
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663 moves," he said.
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664 WARSHIPS STILL OF LEBANON:
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665 President Bush continued to apply behind-the-scenes pressure to Syria and
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666 Iran and kept 30 ships and 20,000 sailors of the U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet in
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667 the Mediterranean off Lebanon, prepared for what Fitzwater called "every
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668 scenario."
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669 Welcome to the next war...oops...scenario, I mean
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670
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671 696969696969696969
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674 IF there was anything she enjoyed, it was a good book. Finding one often
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675 became a difficult task, but on such a gloomy and rainy August day, she
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676 managed to pick out some obscure sf/fantasy story. Searching the house
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677 for a quiet niche in which to cuddle up, she encountered a small golden
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678 crown. Curious as to where it had come from and even more curious as to
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679 why it was there, she placed it upon her head. Strangely enough, it
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680 was a perfect fit. The crown was more of a single gold band with a
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681 small jewel, probably a sapphire, hanging down upon her forehead. she
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682 almost felt it become part of her. Thinking nothing else, she opened the
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683 book.
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684 "....a half-consumed dark amber...
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685 She heard a noise and looked up. Almost as if the entire seen was real, she
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686 could see it before her. Not quite understanding why, she set the book down,
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687 and reached out to the table. The wood was rough beneath her hand. SHe
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688 placed her weight on it and stood. A man, and a girl of some age sat before
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689 her, yet she wasn't quite sure. No one had stepped into a story before.
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690 The jewel seemed to glow with warmth, and she raised her hand to feel it.
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691 The heat intensified, then suddenly disappeared altogether. She whirled
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692 around to find her own way home, only to find it gone. Rather disturbed,
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693 yet beyond curiousity to what adventures might lie ahead, she turned around
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694 once more only to note that her jeans and sweatshirt had become a blue
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695 dress and grey cape rather resembling a style which only existed in the
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696 Middle ages. Shaken, she eyed the man........
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700 TOPIC - TEACHING CREATIONISM IN SCIENCE CLASSES:
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701 Gordon Lewis, chairperson of the philosophy of religion department at
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702 Denver Seminary, and Bill Honig, superintendent of public instruction for the
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703 state of California, talk with USA TODAY's Mary-Ann Bendel about teaching
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704 creationism in science classes.
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705 IF STATES AGREED TO TEACH CREATIONISM, WHAT WOULD BE TAUGHT?
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706 LEWIS: The doctrine of creationism is the belief that everything has
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707 originated from a living God over a one-week period of creation. God, by
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708 supernatural choice, decided to create each kind of animal and plant, and he
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709 did so in about 10,000 B.C.
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710 WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON TEACHING CREATIONISM?
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711 LEWIS: I believe the view of Christianity has been censored from the
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712 textbooks in our public schools, and there are books documenting that it was
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713 done in the name of academic freedom. Society is being defrauded.
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714 WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE EFFORT TO INCLUDE CREATIONISM?
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715 HONIG: Creationism, by our state board policy, is not science and so
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716 should not be taught as part of the science class. The questions of who we
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717 are, origins, why we're here, the broader purposes, and those religious ideas
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718 should be talked about, not in a doctrinaire or sectarian way, but should be
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719 addressed as ethics, morals, and religious issues, but not in science.
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720 IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECONCILE RELIGION AND EVOLUTION?
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721 HONIG: Many religious bodies came before our board and said, "We have no
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722 problem with evolution. That could be God's way. That's the method God could
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723 have chosen. It fits together. It makes sense. There's some beauty to it. It's
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724 an aesthetically interesting way of happening."
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725 PTL'S BAKKER IN DEEP TROUBLE:-8/9/89
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726 Ex-PTL President Richard Dortch agreed Tuesday to testify at the trial of
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727 his ex-boss, Jim Bakker - "nailing the coffin" for anything but prison for
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728 Bakker, experts say. Bakker and Dortch were to go to trial Aug. 28 in
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729 Charlotte, N.C., on charges of bilking PTL donors of up to $4 million. Dortch
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730 will be sentenced within three weeks, facing up to 10 years in jail and a
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731 $500,000 fine.
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732 The mysterious ways in which God works Its wonders...
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733
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734 U.S. CATASTROPHES SET RECORD:-8/9/89
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735 Natural catastrophes in the second quarter of 1989 produced the greatest
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736 amount of insured property damage in the United States of any similar period
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737 on record, says the American Insurance Services Group, Inc. Catastrophes
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738 resulted in $1.25 billion of insured loss in the quarter, pushing anticipated
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739 property damage claims to $1.41 billion for the first six months of 1989.
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740 INSURANCE FRAUD ON UPSWING:-8/9/89
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741 Staged auto accidents and phony medical bills, the most common schemes
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742 used to defraud the insurance industry, have increased more than 71 percent
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743 between 1989 and 1989, according to the Insurance Information Institute. They
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744 account for nearly one-half of the more than 6,500 claims valued at more than
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745 $700 million that were referred to the Insurance Crime Prevention Institute in
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746 1988.
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747
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748 HOMELESS LAW UNDERMINED:-8/9/89
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749 A federal law designed to help the homeless is being undermined by poor
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750 communications and little emphasis on ways to keep people from becoming
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751 homeless, according to a Rutgers University study released Tuesday. Study co-
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752 author David Schwartz says 40 percent of the nation's homeless could be aided
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753 by programs that help with rent payments or otherwise intercede in preventing
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754 evictions.
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755 Up to 14 million U.S. citizens could be out on the streets in even a minor
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756 recession, warns a study by the Rutgers University's American Housing
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757 Institute. Current number of homeless: Up to 4 million, and growing by up to
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758 40 percent annually. An economic dip could double or triple that number
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759 overnight with those now living one pay check or one domestic argument from
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760 the streets.
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761 SCIENTISTS TALLY WILDERNESS:-8/9/89
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762 About a third of the Earth's land mass remains wild, devoid of all manmade
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763 landmarks, two Sierra Club scientists said recently. Science News reports in
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764 its Aug. 5 issue that the two found 18.56 million acres could be classified as
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765 wilderness. Antarctica, which is total wilderness, leads the list. Next was
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766 North America, which is 37.5 percent wilderness.
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767 7.5 PERCENT DON'T HAVE PHONES:-8/9/89
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768 About 7.5 percent of U.S. homes don't have telephones, the National
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769 Telephone Cooperative Association said recently. Areas with the highest
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770 percentage of phone-free homes are the South and West, where about 9 percent
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771 of homes don't have the service. The Washington, D.C.-based NTCA said people
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772 in rural areas and the poorest parts of the inner-city often went without
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773 phone service.
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774
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775 BUSH SPEAKS SOFTLY ON CONTRAS:-8/9/89
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776 The Bush administration, in a carefully worded statement, expressed
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777 general support Tuesday for the Central American agreement to break up the
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778 Nicaraguan Contras by Dec. 5. Word of the pact, signed Monday by five Central
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779 American presidents, forced the administration into the position of supporting
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780 an accord it lobbied against or breaking a signed Contra aid agreement with
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781 Congress.
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782 CALERO SAYS PACT MEANS NOTHING:
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783 Contra leader Adolfo Calero says the pact to disband his fighters is "not
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784 binding," and vows to continue the struggle against Nicaragua's Sandanistas.
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785 "We are not obliged to it," Calero said Tuesday at the Miami headquarters of
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786 the Nicaraguan Resistance. Calero said about 12,000 Contras were in camps in
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787 southern Honduras and 3,000 are inside Nicaragua.
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788 TOPIC - ENDING THE CONTRAS:
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789 Frances T. Farenthold, chairperson of the Institute for Policy Studies,
|
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790 and Jesse Hill Ford, novelist and screenwriter, discuss their views.
|
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791 FARENTHOLD: As we look back on the past 10 years of U.S. policy, we see
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792 failure, waste and untold human suffering. What is needed is a rigorous re-
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793 examination and re-evaluation of the mind-set and techniques of the national
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794 security state. Nothing less will bring peace to Central America. Nothing less
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795 will introduce U.S. foreign policy to the political realities of today and
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796 tomorrow.
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797
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799
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800 {}
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801
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802 (swob) "You say you operate within the 'current' version of your
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803 own reality. What was the reason you changed from your
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804 previous versions of reality?"
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805
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806 I think that the word "current" is used strictly as a time reference
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807 and not a state of being. That is, the word is used with the concept of
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808 a moving frame of reference (time).
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809
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810 (swob) "A person may of course decide upon either one based upon his best
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811 information. But surely only one can be correct."
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812
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813 To assume a dicotomy (sp), is to assume a defined state of being.
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814 Your viewpoint would be exclusively encompassing. Only within the
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815 limited confines of views and beliefs will you be able to exactly say
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816 "this is correct/true/right. That is not." But this excludes the
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817 possibility of other views (ie, you have eliminated any other reality,
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818 alternate, parallel, or fictional) which, within that belief system,
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819 might have a DIFFERENT answer or a SIMILAR answer. Because that "other"
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820 belief system runs on a different axiom set, that also makes the
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821 "alternate answer" (ie, the one you reject) potentially correct. In
|
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822 fact, it could make it exactly correct. But which is the correct answer?
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823 You must choose your perspective first (lay out the assumptions to
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824 be used in your logic/morals) BEFORE you can arrive at a tenative
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825 conclusion. An incorrect perspective would make your answer false,
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826 but you can't really show that either perspective is correct to
|
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827 begin with. So, you really are reduced to "I think, ergo, I Am",
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828 because your conscienceness implies that you must exist first before
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829 you can arrive at that conclusion. You are left with a multitude of
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830 choices; personally I feel that a compromise would best serve
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831 this. You have to assume ALL views before you can be truely
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832 correct. Yes, that is all-encompasing and broad, but it's the
|
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833 only way I'm aware of to compensate for this situation. Funny
|
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834 thought: I'm using logic in an attempt to describe itself.
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835 Redundant, isn't it?;->)
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836
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837 (swob) "I think that logic is quite robust, actually. Paradoxes are
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838 nonsense in that they are not logical. "This sentence is
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839 false" does not attack the foundation of logic unless part
|
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840 of that foundation is that all sentences are logically
|
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841 coherent."
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842
|
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843 Paradoxes ARE logical. But the logic system you must be using
|
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844 seems to be binary.
|
|
845 There are at least FOUR answers: it is true, it is false, it is
|
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846 BOTH, it is NONE. The fifth: it doesn't matter (actually appling
|
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847 (sp) applying non-logic and chaos). Ponder this, and other multi-
|
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848 answer logic systems, and you might understand why views are never
|
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849 always correct (as above). Any of those five answers can be used
|
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850 to justify a viewpoint.
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851
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852 A tired Hagbard Celine (2:32 am)
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853
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854 {}
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855
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029=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/10/89 09:29 Msg:4224 Call:23203 Lines:24
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856 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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857 The woman in front of me (I could now see that she was human in appearance
|
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858 and a female, and quite pleasant to look at.) seemed a bit confused or maybe
|
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859 stunned. She at least knew of the universal peace greeting, or at least
|
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860 was intelligent enough to mimic it. I suspected an education here, not just
|
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861 mimicry. Who was this person.
|
|
862 "Where am I?" she spoke. A melodious voice that I am sure was given much
|
|
863 to laughter, and to tears.
|
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864 "You are among friends here. All who come here are friends, until they prove
|
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865 otherwise. Come, let us be comfortable. I have food and drink. Some of the
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866 sandwiches are meat, and I apologize if that offends you, for I am an
|
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867 omnivore, but I would eat only vegetables in your presence, if you wish."
|
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868 She sat, not saying anything, but removed her outer cloak. She was indeed
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869 pleasant to look at, but it was her manner which was most striking. This
|
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870 was a woman of high station, but not haughty. She cared deeply about
|
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871 something. This must be why she was here.
|
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872 "Tell me, why have you come? No one arrives here without a reason."
|
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873 She looked at me, and I saw fright behind the eyes for just a moment, then
|
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874 she looked away and began to speak.
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875 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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876
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877 PS. Archivers- Any news on costs of the archives?
|
|
878 [][][][][][][] F.
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879
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030=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/10/89 14:29 Msg:4225 Call:23207 Lines:43
|
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880 .....................................
|
|
881 She was surprised to hear her own voice. She was also surprised that she
|
|
882 understood what the individual was saying. It wasn't easy to follow, "must
|
|
883 be an ancient dialect" she thought to herself. As the friendly individual
|
|
884 to talk of food, she realized she was famished. Her body told her that it
|
|
885 had been quite some time since she had last eaten, but she still could recall
|
|
886 nothing beyond the last several seconds. "Best be cautious" she remembered
|
|
887 her father telling her, at least she thought it was her father. Why was her
|
|
888 memory gone? What was she doing here? "Tell me, why have you come? No one
|
|
889 arrives without a reason" she heard, and it snapped her out of her thoughts.
|
|
890 She looked at this one calling itself Friar. His face not only looked friendly
|
|
891 but familiar as well. "I am not sure..." her shaky voice began. "I am having
|
|
892 trouble remembering anything, I don't know who I am or how I got here. You
|
|
893 look familiar somehow, have we by chance met before? Do you know who I am?"
|
|
894 Now she had done it. Admitted she was vulnerable. Something stirred deep
|
|
895 inside her that she recognized as fear. There was an image beginning to form
|
|
896 in her consciousness that blocked out the reality in front of her. For the
|
|
897 moment she could only see the ruins, the gray and black charcoal sketches of
|
|
898 a run-down city. Among the twisted architecture she was aware of creatures
|
|
899 moving, furtively, from place to place. Like a slow dissolve in a film, the
|
|
900 scene changed to what must be a palace or grand building of some sort. She saw
|
|
901 herself standing before a large icon, but she couldn't bring the image into
|
|
902 focus. Just as she realized this, the other brought her our of the reverie:
|
|
903 "You know, you DO look familiar to me as well, altho I can't say that I
|
|
904 remember you. Perhaps a little food will help your mind settle. Others that
|
|
905 have been thru here have sometimes found the materialization a bit, well,
|
|
906 unsettling." She began to feel more comfortable with the individual and tried
|
|
907 the food he offered. She usually didn't eat flesh, but she was so hungry she
|
|
908 actually enjoyed it. And another. As she ate, she felt as if her whole being
|
|
909 was being made more solid somehow. With each bite she seemed to have a little
|
|
910 more of her memory back. By the time she had finished the plate of sandwiches
|
|
911 (every single crumb), she almost knew who she was. She felt so close to it,
|
|
912 just like when you say something is on the tip of your tongue, it's there, I
|
|
913 know it, but .... She drank the liquid in front of her, looked at Friar, and
|
|
914 said, "Thanks. That helped quite a bit." She felt much better about the
|
|
915 stranger now. He had sat quietly while she ate. Not staring at her, but
|
|
916 obviously interested in her. "Tell me about yourself," she said. "Perhaps
|
|
917 we can find a commonality that will help me reconstruct myself. Maybe we'll
|
|
918 learn that we did, or will, meet at another time or place." She was gaining
|
|
919 confidence as she began to realize who she was, and why she was here. He
|
|
920 looked at her, seemed to consider her request, then began to speak in slow,
|
|
921 carefully chosen words.
|
|
922 ................................................
|
|
031=Usr:367 Mark Derby 08/10/89 23:40 Msg:4226 Call:23223 Lines:9
|
|
923 L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_snailhead_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_
|
|
924 re _Dark Circle_: When I saw the scene in which they listed the corporations
|
|
925 making the most profit from the building of nuclear weapons, I immediately
|
|
926 thought, "This is why it didn't get on the air." I also noticed that it was
|
|
927 one of the few PBS shows that didn't garner any big corporate sponsors,
|
|
928 whether defense contractors or not...
|
|
929
|
|
930 L_L_L_L_"and the shorter of the porter's daughters
|
|
931 dips a hand in the deadly waters..."L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_L_
|
|
032=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/11/89 13:53 Msg:4227 Call:23233 Lines:9
|
|
932 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|
933 Just looking in. I'll be gone for the weekend, so don't you probably won't here
|
|
934 from me again untill monday.
|
|
935
|
|
936 Happy disking!
|
|
937
|
|
938 An Astral Dreamer
|
|
939 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|
940
|
|
033=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/11/89 19:52 Msg:4228 Call:23236 Lines:31
|
|
941 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
|
942 She was obviously scared. And as I waited, I found she was also quite hungry,
|
|
943 cleaning off the plate quite well. I sat and waited, not wanting to stare,
|
|
944 but wanting to know more about her.
|
|
945 She asked me to tell her about myself, to see if that might jar her memory
|
|
946 of where we had seen each other before.
|
|
947 I began, not quite knowing where I should begin, but beginning just the same.
|
|
948 "I am Friar Mossback, a friar of the Agnosti. I seek only knowing and
|
|
949 learning. I eschew standard religion, but find truth where it is. That is
|
|
950 why I am called Friar.
|
|
951 "Special talents I have few. I have a gift for eating, as you can see, and
|
|
952 a friendly mage with a set of bagpipes once found for me this handy sporran
|
|
953 that always has a feast inside.
|
|
954 Saying that, I opened the bag up and spread a new meal in front of the lady.
|
|
955 She gasped with surprise, and I chuckled to myself. This is a common
|
|
956 phenomenon when people first saw the magic. I wondered why only I could make
|
|
957 the magic work as I was sitting back down. I glanced at the table and it was
|
|
958 my turn to gasp. This time the sporran had set two actual place settings,
|
|
959 with lit candles and silverware. Real china, and steaming bowls of vegetables
|
|
960 and meats.
|
|
961 The last time this had happened was just before the dangerous time occured.
|
|
962 Before the blackness. Something was coming, that could be glorious, or deadly.
|
|
963 And this woman was to be a key to it.
|
|
964 Would she be a friend or a foe? A lover or a murderer. I should watch very
|
|
965 closely, for either one is not something to be missed.
|
|
966 Feigning lightness, I said, "Quite a spread, eh? The magic only works this
|
|
967 well when it is inspired by beauty. It's never done it for me, so it must be
|
|
968 a comment on your beauty."
|
|
969 So saying, I took the flagon of B&B offered by the barkeep (the drinks *never*
|
|
970 seem to come out of the magic bag) and poured two small goblets.
|
|
971 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
|
034=Usr:4 Milchar 08/11/89 22:39 Msg:4229 Call:23242 Lines:4
|
|
972 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
973 CM? Care to answer Friar? I don't remember what the Archives go for
|
|
974 nowadays... A rough guess would do, I suppose.
|
|
975 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milchar ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
035=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/12/89 21:55 Msg:4230 Call:23257 Lines:24
|
|
976 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
|
|
977 Well, I guess I'd better fill these last few lines since I've got a
|
|
978 reply that won't fit. 24 lines, eh?
|
|
979
|
|
980 Guess I should think of something meaningful to say...naah.
|
|
981
|
|
982 let's just see how big a quote I can cram in here...
|
|
983
|
|
984 "If I lived in the Wild West days, instead of carrying a six-gun in
|
|
985 my holster, I'd carry a soldering iron. That way, if some smart-
|
|
986 aleck cowboy said something like 'Hey, look. He's carrying a
|
|
987 soldering iron!' and started laughing, and everybody else started
|
|
988 laughing, I could just say, 'That's right, it's a soldering iron.
|
|
989 The soldering iron of justice.'
|
|
990 Then everybody would get real quiet and ashamed because they
|
|
991 made fun of the soldering iron of justice, and probably I could _
|
|
992 hit them up for a free drink." /#)
|
|
993 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
|
|
994 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
|
|
995 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
|
|
996
|
|
997 *I'm on the bottom! I'm on the bottom! NYaaaaaaaah!
|
|
998
|
|
999 */*/*/*/*/*/ | :::::::O O::: no, I am! :::::::O O:::::
|