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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/08/89 23:51 Msg:3951 Call:21677 Lines:3
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20 The most gifted members of the human species are at their creative
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21 best when they cannot have their way. -- Eric Hoffer
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003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/09/89 02:15 Msg:3952 Call:21679 Lines:15
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23 &*&*&*&*'s
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24
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25 At the top! Yet again. Ok, looks like I opened a can of worms on the last disk.
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26
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27 (This will be short as I need to get to bed.) It is indeed a very complex
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28 issue, and one that will never really be settled I am sure. But I feel that
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29 the common ownership of guns tends to moderate the actions of a government. If
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30 you don't fear your populace, you are going to tend to be a good deal less
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31 carefull about what they think.
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32
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33 Thats it for now.
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34
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35 An Astral Dreamer (Who really should have given credit/blame to ThingFish :-) )
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36 &*&*&*&*'s
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37
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004=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 06/09/89 02:32 Msg:3953 Call:21680 Lines:7
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38 )(*&(**&)*(&(*&((&(*&)(*&)(**&)(*&)((*&)((&()(*&)(**&&)(*
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39
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40 oh, yeah. i am at the top. [emphasise deleted]
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41
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42 the apathetic mole
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43 )*&)(*&)((*&)((*)((*)((**&)((*)(*(&)(*&)((*&)(*&)((*)((*
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44
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005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 06/09/89 10:34 Msg:3954 Call:21688 Lines:28
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45 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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46
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47 Hey! It's STV:TFF day! So where/when's the party?
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48
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49 _
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50 _|_|_
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51 ^/ . ..\^
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52 ___[=========]___
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53 ___-==++""" . /. . . \ . """++==-___
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54 __-+"" __\ .. . . | .. . | . . . /__ ""+-__
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55 /\__+-"" `-----=====\_ <O> _/=====-----' ""-+__/\
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56 _/_/ ""="" \_\_
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57 /_/ \_\
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58 // | \\
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59 /") \ | / ("\
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60 \o\ \*/ /o/
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61 \_) --**O**-- (_/
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62 /*\
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63 / | \
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64 |
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65
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66 bIjeghbe' chugh vaj biHegh!
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67 (surrender or die!)
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68 _
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69 /#)
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70 n n n (#/
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71 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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72 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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006=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/09/89 14:46 Msg:3955 Call:21691 Lines:9
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73 -=-======-=--------=-========-=------------=-==========-=------=-==-=-----=-
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74 Very impresive! I'm refering of course to the above presentation of a
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75 Klingon warship.
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76
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77 So...Oh nevermind. Everyone'll proabably just ignore me again. Erg.
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78
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79 LB\__/
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80 oo
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81 -=--{=-=---------=-=======-=-------=-=======-=-------======-=------=-======-
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007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/09/89 20:23 Msg:3956 Call:21696 Lines:53
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82 696969696969
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83
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84 and now, we finally know:
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85 BUGS MIGHT ANSWER UFO QUESTION:-6/9/89
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86 Electromagnetic fields and the habits of common insects might explain many
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87 sightings of unidentified flying objects. Dr. Phillip Callahan of the Optical
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88 Society of America hit on the idea after he discovered insects give off a
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89 visible glow when placed in a magnetic field. He reasoned that such fields -
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90 common in the storm fronts - could cause such a glow and trigger UFO reports.
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91
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92 IMELDA MARCOS SINGS:-6/9/89
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93 Imelda Marcos' first album is called "Imelda Papin Featuring Songs with
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94 Mrs. Imelda Marcos." And you can get your hands on it starting Sunday. It
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95 features Marcos as guest singer of some of her favorite U.S. and Filipino
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96 songs - including "Feelings." The 12-song, 43-minute cassette is a collection
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97 of songs selected by entertainer Imelda Papin, the record's producer.
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98 You'll want to get the C.D. so you get the highest audio quality, and it won't
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99 ever wear out.
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100
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101 BUSH `DISAPPOINTED' WITH CHINA:-6/9/89
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102 President Bush expressed a "certain sense of personal disappointment"
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103 Thursday at the threat of civil war in China. Bush, the first U.S. envoy to
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104 China in modern times, repeatedly spoke of his concern for the human rights of
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105 the Chinese people and the importance of U.S.-China relations at his first
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106 prime-time news conference.
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107 The exodus of foreigners from Beijing is slowing as the military and
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108 political turmoil eases. Restaurants, shops and post offices reopened Thursday
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109 as soldiers cleaned up debris in Tiananmen Square. Other soldiers continued to
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110 fire into the air. Meanwhile, Secretary of State James Baker said U.S.-China
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111 relations suffered "a tragic step backward," but said economic ties should
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112 continue.
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113 China's Premier Li Peng appeared on a national TV news show - his first
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114 since the army killed at least 500. Li told a cheering audience of military
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115 men in the Great Hall of the People that the soldiers had "done a brilliant
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116 job of carrying out the orders of the state council." Meanwhile, The U.S.
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117 Voice of America said it was now sending TV signals via satellite to Beijing -
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118 a first.
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119
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120 EXXON SAYS IT WILL SAVE EAGLES:-6/9/89
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121 Exxon Corp., in a press release, says it and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
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122 Service plan to capture and clean bald eagles and other birds of prey
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123 jeopardized by the March 24 oil spill from the Exxon Valdez tanker. Eagles
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124 will be taken to the Alaska Avian Research and Rehabilitation Center in
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125 Anchorage for treatment. Last month, Exxon said it provided $100,000 for
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126 construction of the center.
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127
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128 as Bruce Cockburn wrote (and sang): IfIhadarocketlauchersomesonofabitchwoulddie
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130 696969696969696969
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131
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132 or a gun....
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133
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008=Usr:13 voyeur 06/10/89 00:03 Msg:3957 Call:21703 Lines:4
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135 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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136 Now that Trek 5 is behind me, my rankings are: 2 4 3 5 1. It looks like the
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137 even-numbered ones win. I hope Shatner doesn't direct 6.
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138 * * * * *N*O*T* * * * * * * * *T*E*D* * * * * * * * * *M*A*H*A*R* * * * * * * *
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009=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/10/89 00:43 Msg:3958 Call:21705 Lines:80
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139
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140
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141 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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142
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143 THE BWMS GUN DEBATE..........
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144
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145 ______________________________/^\_
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146 / |
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147 / _____________________________|
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148 ( (____________________________________________ __
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149 \ | ____________ | / /*\\
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150 \______________________________| )____________) ||/______
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151 | )____________) | :::::::\
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152 |_ ____________ ___| \:::::::\
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153 \ )) / \::::::::\
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154 \_______/ \::::::::::\
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155 ....POST OR WE'LL SHOOT ! \::::::::::\
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156 \::::::::::\
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157 \::::::::::\
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158 ----------
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159
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160
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161 Hello Dear Friends;
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162
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163 Dis is Bobby McFerrin wit some timely summertime advise now dat
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164 finals are over and de sun is warm and de livin' is sooooo easy.
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165 Unscrew dat skull, mon, give dat brain a break, let dat grey
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166 matter go limp. You owe it to yourself, mon. An' to help you wit
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167 dat important phase in your intellectual development, here we
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168 have for you some Timely Summertime Tips..............
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169
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170 DRINK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
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171 And keep an eye out for bargains. Hamms beer in cases of cans
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172 will go on sale regularly in the $6 - $7 dollar range this
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173 summer. Be frugal and tank up.
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174
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175 WATCH A LOT OF CABLE TELEVISION
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176 * Start with TODAY on NBC. See Jane. See Jane wax prissy. See
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177 Bryant. See Bryant wax egotistical. See Willard. See Willard
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178 bumble bucolic. Very Good.
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179 * Be sure to spend at least an hour a day with the HOME SHOPPING
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180 NETWORK. As life tends to be short, go on ahead and order that
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181 lovely ceramic figurine of The Tinman from The Wizard of Oz
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182 (be sure to use someone else's VISA card, though)
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183 * Don't forget the real estate get-rich-quick talkshow/really-long
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184 -commercial presentations. Take notes.
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185 * Check in with Morton Downey Jr. and Geraldo regularly (avoid
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186 Donahue and Oprah, however....too stuffy)
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187 * Don't forget THE WEATHER CHANNEL. Watch for off the cuff ad-
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188 libs between the perky Weather Hosts.
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189 * Alternate between game shows and soap operas on odd/even days.
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190 * Pay special attention to commercials (especially the late
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191 night, 90 second Record Treasury variety)
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192
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193 READ{ TRASH
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194 Never mind the summer reading lists from your professors.
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195 Subscribe immediately to THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, THE STAR and THE
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196 GLOBE. Stick with supermarket paperbacks that have lush paintings of
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197 busty women or the words As Told To on the cover.
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198
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199 PATRONIZE YOUR LOCAL CINEPLEX
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200 See every summer release with a roman numeral in the title.
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201 Avoid Cinema 21 and The Movie House. Eschew anything with subtitles
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202 or good reviews. And demand extra petroleum on your popcorn.
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203
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204
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205 Follow dese simple tips, mon, an you'll be ready for another
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206 bashing when de school bell ring in de fall. No problem in de
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207 great northwest in de hot summertime mon. Everythin' irie.
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208
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209 Love,
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210
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211 Bobby McFerrin
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212
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213 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
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214 Don't Worry, Be Stupid
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215
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216 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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217
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218
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010=Usr:277 Schizo 06/10/89 01:57 Msg:3959 Call:21711 Lines:3
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219 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
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220 Things like this tend to confuse me greatly.
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221 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
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011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/10/89 12:10 Msg:3960 Call:21718 Lines:18
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222 &*&*&*&*'s
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223 Sound advice. STV was a dissapointment. It had its funny moments, but was
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224 just to fantasyish for me to enjoy. 'Lets bop around the entire galaxy in
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225 less then a day, blowing away any sort of consistent theory on what warp
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226 drives are supposed to be capable of!'
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227
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228 Well, I'm looking for someplace to live. Anybody know of a good place? I can
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229 afford around 300$ rent and utilities. Suggestions welcome.
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230
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231 Got a 68010,a hard drive controler and a 10meg hard drive at the cpm swaw
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232 meet today. So far I`ve checked out the 68010 and the controler, and both
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233 work. Now, with any luck the hard drive will as well. All I have to do
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234 is figure out were to put it. 1 full height floppy and full height
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235 hard drive (Which is what I have.) tend to fill up a pc's drive bays.
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236
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237 An Astral Dreamer
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238 &*&*&*&*'s
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239
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012=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 06/10/89 16:46 Msg:3961 Call:21727 Lines:12
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240
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241 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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242 Seen on rec.arts.startrek today...
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243
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244 "I loved it! Much better than "Cats". I'm going to see it
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245 again and again."
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246
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247 (for those who don't get this, don't worry) /#)
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248 n n n (#/
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249 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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250 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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251
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013=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/10/89 19:13 Msg:3962 Call:21732 Lines:16
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252 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Saw the parade todayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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253
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254 H'lo people (and others),
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255 Once again, it's that one special night of the week. Tonight is
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256 the night of MONTIGUE ANACONDA'S LEVITATING BURLESQUE on channel 10.
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257
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258 "No-one Expects The Spanish Inquisition!!!"
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259
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260
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261 Oh, BTW, welcome back Beaker. Also, whatever happened to General ZOD? It
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262 seems to me that we're approaching the time of year when he was most
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263 active. Perhaps he is trying to lull us into complacency with his absence.
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264
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265 Stay Alert! Trust No-one! Keep Your Laser Handy!
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266
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267 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | The route was too crowdeddddddddddddd
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014=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 06/11/89 01:27 Msg:3963 Call:21738 Lines:11
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268
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269 {}
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270
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271 Automatic weapons? Try Isreal. MANDITORY by law, that every
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272 household should carry Uzi's. At least, that's what a friend passed
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273 on to me. Not quite sure if it is true - can anyone please deny this
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274 anoying fact?
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275
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276 H. Celine
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277
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278 {]
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015=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/11/89 09:31 Msg:3964 Call:21742 Lines:11
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279 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Mandatory uzis?????????????????????????????
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280
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281 I know that every able bodied Hebrew Isreali has to spend a certain amount
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282 of time in the armed forces (this includes the women), but I don't think
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283 that the home posession of Uzi's is mandatory. After all, the Isreali
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284 government may be militant, but it's not stupid. If the rioting youth
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285 in Isreal (palestinians) could get automatic weapons from any house
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286 they robbed, do you think they'd be using just thrown bricks against the
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287 occupying troops?
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288
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289 KKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rumors can get wierd sometimesssssssssssssssss
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016=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/11/89 14:12 Msg:3965 Call:21745 Lines:21
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290 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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291 This is General ZOD!!!
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292
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293
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294 Just kidding. Heh heh!
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295 --=-===========-=---------=-=========-=--------=-=========-=--------=-======
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296 Its realy me. (LB)
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297
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298 Hi Kurfur. How 'r yu.
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299
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300 Well. I wounder whats going to happen in China? I hope the people don't
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301 give in just because of a few killings. I hope they find democrasy worth a
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302 few killings. We'll see...
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303
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304 I would suggest to anyone thinking of putting there hand through a closed
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305 window not to. It got me five stiches (3 on my thumb an two specials on my
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306 fore-arm).
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307
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308 LB\__/
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309 oo
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310 -=-{=------=-========-=------=-====-=-------=-========-=-------=-========-=-
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017=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/11/89 17:36 Msg:3966 Call:21750 Lines:21
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311 *%)_$#@*%_)#@%*_)#%*()_#(^%#$_+^)_@^*(#)_@^(*)_#(_+@(%_+@!)%_+#@%*(_#)$*^)_#$^*
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312
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313 Ah, the old Civil War defense. I suggest reading the beginning chapters of a
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314 Civil War history book (or even the whole book). The causes of this conflict
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315 are much more than one side wanting slaves and the other side not wanting
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316 slaves. The causes are also a lot more complex than one group of states
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317 saying "We don't like your rules so we quit!" I feel the Civil War
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318 analogy fails becaue first of all, the origins of the split between the
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319 states are not easily categorized. Secondly, I feel it is wrong to
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320 compare mid 1800's and today in terms of gun ownership and use. In those
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321 days, hunting was a primary source of food, unlike today, where Sir
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322 Safeway does all the slaying. Thirdly, no one has answered my questions
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323 about countries that have different governmental systems from the USA
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324 and their accompanying gun laws.
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325
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326 *)(%_@)_%(#)_@*!^)_$#*^_)#*^!_)#^* L'homme sans Parity *%@_)%*_)#*%$@_)%*_)%#()
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327
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328 Oh, Astral Dreamer - avoid buying junk computer systems lest you fall into
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329 the trap of the home-bound hacker and his or her support nightmare!
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330
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331 %*_)#@)_*%_)#$*%)_@%(*)_@%)@_(%)_#@(%)_@%()_@(%_)@!(%)_#(%@)_%#$^*&)_#^(*)_#%()
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018=Usr:3 Ramek 06/11/89 19:34 Msg:3967 Call:21754 Lines:60
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332 Well, now, for starters, I must disagree with several of your statements
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333 re: the Civil War issue. Firstly, I am indeed familar with it, and if you
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334 will note secondly, I said nothing of slavery that was in reality a minor
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335 issue in the thing. Many of those in the North had slaves too. As I said,
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336 there were conflicts between the concepts that the North and South had
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337 about how things should be. I never brought the slave issue up, that was
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338 just you reading into my message what you wanted to see.
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339 You then shifted into stating that the Civil War was not an acceptable
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340 analogy because the issues are not easily catgorized and that issues of 1800
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341 don't apply today. I suppose I could say "well now, then we had best throw
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342 out the constitution then since it is much older then that." But there is
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343 more here then that. First, what analogy? Do you mean a direct comparion to
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344 the problems in China? Hardly an analogy. There is no analogy to that issue.
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345 The point I was making is that we too have suffered from the atrocities that
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346 result when two factions are unable to settle their differences in a peacful
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347 manner. That is the only analogy I was making. It was stated that it would
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348 never happen in America. I was simply pointing out that it already has.
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349 And as I also stated, the aspects of guns had little to do with it.
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350 This is hardly the only incident where one group of people have violently
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351 impressed their belief structure on another group, it is simply on of the
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352 more blatant and apparent ones. Throughout our history we had treated
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353 various groups with somthing less than "hello, nice day isn't it?"
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354 We spent many years decimating the locals (what we call generically 'indians')
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355 I'm sure that you'll say "but that's different. That was then this is now."
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356 Nevertheless, the fact is that we as a nation decimated the indians and
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357 took their home lands with little or nothing in return, killing them when
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358 they objected to the treatment. Or how about the way the blacks have been
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359 treated. Even today the government often turns a blind eye to them.
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360 Then there was the Kent State thing that was brought up. That was pretty
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361 close to what happened in China. Maybe not to the extent as in China,
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362 but along the same lines. And howmany remember the Democratic national
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363 convention in Chicago. While the demonstrators chanted "The whole world
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364 is watching." Which it indeed was. The Chicago police went in swinging.
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365 It was not a pretty sight, and Chicago has had a rather bad reputation
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366 that lasts even today in that issue.
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367 Then look at the streets of our own city, the drive-by shootings. Not much
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368 different than back in the prohibition era that. But I gues it's not the
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369 same because that was then and this is now. Ahh, such an easy cop out that
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370 statement.
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371 In regard to the issue of guns and other forms of government, I did respond
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372 a bit there, but you might have missed that. The problem is that ANY issue
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373 of the life styles of those in communist counties is diffuclt to deal with
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374 because they generally keep to themselves and do not allow others to view
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375 their country too closely. Good or Bad? I won't argue that, because I can
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376 say that it is bad, but that is because my upbringing in the western culture
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377 says that it is bad. Yet who am I to say that my culture is better? It is
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378 hardly all that wonderful on many issues. Until I have lived a life fully
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379 as integrated in the culture as my life in the American culture, I cannot
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380 truthfully say that I can pass judgment on that culture.
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381 I will make mention though that I did watch a very interesting documentary
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382 on Ch 10 a couple of weeks ago covering... gun control. They delt with it
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383 on a world scale, not just the American culture. The interesting thing they
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384 made mention of is that contrary to popular belief, many Eastern block
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385 countries do allow ownership of guns. While on the opposite side, there are
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386 some Western block countries which have stricter gun controls than the eastern
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387 block countries. It is not universal that Communism means you can't own a
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388 gun. It is however a good generalization that eastern block countries tend
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389 to have geater restrictions. It is just not valid to believe this to be
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390 always the case. Each country has its own social structure to which it holds.
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391 ================================ Ramek ======================================
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019=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/12/89 12:50 Msg:3968 Call:21772 Lines:88
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392 TO: Bobby McFerrin...Thanks for the suggestions, I am.
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393 TO: Thingfish...Great stuff. Leaves me speechless, almost.
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394
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395 696969696969
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396 TOPIC - NECKTIE:
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397 Chuck Bowden, author and free-lance writer, and Harry Schwartz,
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398 former New York Times editorial writer, discuss their views.
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399
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400 BOWDEN: The necktie fetish has been more deadly to our nation's moral
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401 sinews than all the rubber goods and leather-freak stuff ever dreamed up by
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402 Larry Flynt. At least the people into heavy kink keep their notions behind
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403 closed doors. Basically, neckties are a disease - like alcoholism, drug
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404 addiction and the desire to run for public office - and should be treated
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405 accordingly.
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406 SCHWARTZ: Modern convention virtually requires males to wear sedate, dull
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407 clothes, with forgettable colors and patterns. Only in his tie is a man
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408 licensed to show his aesthetic sense, his love of colors and patterns, his
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409 biological kinship to the peacock. The man who refuses to wear a tie is
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410 voluntarily ceding to the female of our species a monopoly on bright colors
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411 and interesting patterns.
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412
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413 MORAL MAJORITY DISAPPEARS:-6/12/89
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414 The Moral Majority is being disbanded. The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who founded
|
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415 the group in 1979, said it succeeded in getting Christians politically
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416 involved. The group became a force in U.S. politics in the 1980s, helping
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417 elect three GOP administrations, Falwell said. But Moral Majority lost clout
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||
418 after the PTL and Jimmy Swaggart scandals undermined confidence in
|
||
419 televangelism.
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420
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421 ======we pause for a moment in respectful silence at the passing========
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422
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423 OIL HALTS ALASKA FISHING:-6/12/89
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424 Salmon fishing was suspended Friday near Cook Inlet, Alaska, after crude
|
||
425 oil was spotted on beaches near the town of Chenik and the McNeil River.
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426 Seiners had expected to harvest 425,000 sockeye and 130,000 chum salmon this
|
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427 summer. Only 7,000 sockeye and 50 chum were taken before Friday's closure.
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428
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429 BOOK SAYS BUY AMERICAN:-6/12/89
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430 Buy U.S. goods. That's the message behind a new book "Made in the U.S.A."
|
||
431 out this November from National Press. This summer, members of the Made in the
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||
432 U.S.A. Foundation comb the country to find out who makes everything from
|
||
433 Rockport shoes to NBA basketballs. The goal is to encourage consumers to
|
||
434 purchase U.S.-made goods. To order the $10 book, call (301) 657-1616.
|
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435
|
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436 UNOCAL DENIES CHARGES:-6/12/89
|
||
437 Unocal Corp. has denied that the company's polymers plant in La Mirada,
|
||
438 Calif., is one of the worst toxic polluters in the country, as has been
|
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439 characterized in some news reports. Allegations of cancer risk to employees
|
||
440 and neighbors of the plant are not true, said Richard Stegemeier, Unocal
|
||
441 chairman. Risk data cited was not based on the plant's record, according to
|
||
442 the company.
|
||
443 key phrase here: "according to the company"
|
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444
|
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445 KEMP EYES HUD EMBEZZLERS:-6/12/89
|
||
446 Housing and Urban Development Secretary Jack Kemp is "very upset" by
|
||
447 accusations that private agents embezzled millions of dollars from the agency,
|
||
448 according to HUD lawyer Frank Keating on Sunday. He has ordered an immediate
|
||
449 probe, Keating said. The Washington Post reports losses could reach $10
|
||
450 million in HUD's Washington office.
|
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451
|
||
452 HUD SUSPENDS FOUR PENDING AUDIT:
|
||
453 The head of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development's
|
||
454 Washington field office and three staff members have been relieved of their
|
||
455 duties pending the outcome of an audit by the HUD inspector general. Sources
|
||
456 say that while criminality might not be involved, there appears to be
|
||
457 carelessness and oversight that cost the government $10 million.
|
||
458
|
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459 DENG WANTS DISSIDENT ARRESTED:-6/12/89
|
||
460 Chinese leader Deng Xiaopeng, continuing his purge of reformers, Sunday
|
||
461 ordered the arrest of a dissident hiding in the U.S. embassy. Warrants were
|
||
462 issued for Fang Lizhi and wife Li Shuxian. Chinese TV pushed the government's
|
||
463 view of the violence, showing crowds attacking soldiers, torching army tanks -
|
||
464 and prisoners signing confessions.
|
||
465 Ex-presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan spoke their views Sunday on
|
||
466 China's future. "The door that has been opened ... toward freedom and
|
||
467 democracy can't be completely closed," Carter said. "What we're seeing now is
|
||
468 what a lot of us have known for many years - that communism couldn't really be
|
||
469 a successful system," Reagan said on CBS' "Sunday Morning."
|
||
470 Teachers and students on the university campuses in Beijing vowed Sunday
|
||
471 to keep up their protests despite mass arrests. As campuses emptied for
|
||
472 summer, those who remained said the movement would revive in the next six
|
||
473 months to a year after troops leave Beijing. Students scoffed at government
|
||
474 news programs featuring the arrests of the purported leaders of pro-democracy
|
||
475 demonstrations.
|
||
476
|
||
477 Frank Zappa: "And they were so certain it couldn't happen here."
|
||
478 696969696969696969
|
||
479
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020=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/12/89 19:53 Msg:3969 Call:21779 Lines:15
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480 It is hard to truely understand the actions and motives of a people in
|
||
481 a land far away and steeped in a different culture. We cry out in support
|
||
482 for those that fight for "freedom" because that is our culture. How can
|
||
483 we truely understand a government and culture that builds itself on
|
||
484 economic reform, but then when greater steps towards social and plotical
|
||
485 freedom are demanded by a "disident" group, they are not just arrested and
|
||
486 thrown in jail as we would expect by our own society's rules, but rather
|
||
487 they are run over with tanks and killed. This by a government that achieved
|
||
488 it's very current position by decrying those very actions of the past
|
||
489 regeme. How can anyone understand such actions?
|
||
490 I do hope that they find a peaceful existance quickly, but I don't expect
|
||
491 it anytime soon. The younger generation has been exposed to a whole new
|
||
492 world, and as an old greek philosipher once said, "Once a mind has been
|
||
493 opened to new possibilities, it can never be closed."
|
||
494 ******************************* Mikey **********************************
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021=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/13/89 01:30 Msg:3970 Call:21787 Lines:21
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495
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496
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497 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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498
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499 Don't think
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||
500 If you think, don't write
|
||
501 If you write, don't publish
|
||
502 If you publish, don't sign
|
||
503 If you sign, be prepared to recant
|
||
504
|
||
505 This is a credo that Chinese students and intellectuals have
|
||
506 had to live by, and one of the things they're rebelling
|
||
507 against. Kind of makes freedom of speech seem more precious,
|
||
508 doesn't it ?
|
||
509
|
||
510 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
|
||
511 Easy To Beat Up, Hard To Kill
|
||
512
|
||
513 {+}{+}{+}{+}
|
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514
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515
|
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022=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/13/89 08:55 Msg:3971 Call:21793 Lines:13
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516 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
517
|
||
518 Human beings are insecure. I think that all of us suffer from this little
|
||
519 fault. Some of us express this insecurity in positive and/or neutral ways,
|
||
520 while others are very destructive in the insecurity.
|
||
521
|
||
522 Just my thought for the day.
|
||
523
|
||
524 A pointing I will go, a pointing I will go...
|
||
525
|
||
526 An Astral Dreamer (Somtimes silent, but always present.)
|
||
527 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
528
|
||
023=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/13/89 10:47 Msg:3972 Call:21795 Lines:100
|
||
529 696969696969
|
||
530 So You Thought You Got a Raise this Year???
|
||
531 PAY HIKES WILL BE INVISIBLE:-6/13/89
|
||
532 Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, says The
|
||
533 Conference Board in its annual pay survey released Monday. Salaried workers'
|
||
534 pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next, unchanged from 1987
|
||
535 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent. Economists say
|
||
536 they expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the increase.
|
||
537 Companies are making up for smaller salary hikes by giving more lump-sum
|
||
538 incentives that don't lock companies into paying high salaries, says Charles
|
||
539 Peck, specialist at The Conference Board. The board polled 501 companies for
|
||
540 the survey.
|
||
541 INFLATION KEEPS PACE WITH PAY:-6/13/89
|
||
542 Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, The Conference
|
||
543 Board says. The board, in its annual pay survey released Monday, says salaried
|
||
544 workers' pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next - unchanged
|
||
545 from 1987 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent;
|
||
546 economists expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the entire
|
||
547 increase.
|
||
548
|
||
549 CONSUMER AGENCIES SET EXAMPLE:-6/13/89
|
||
550 The fifth annual Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Awards were presented Monday in
|
||
551 Washington, D.C., to advertising agencies that allegedly promote misleading or
|
||
552 false advertising in print and television. The dubious distinction - sponsored
|
||
553 by the Center for Science in the Public Interest and the Consumer Federation
|
||
554 of America - is named for a 19th-century ad man who peddled cure-all tonics.
|
||
555 Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Award winners include Mercedes-Benz of North
|
||
556 America Inc. for encouraging high-speed driving and Anheuser-Busch Inc. for
|
||
557 Spuds MacKenzie's Bud Light beer ads that encourage the young to drink.
|
||
558 Mercedes-Benz response: The ad doesn't intend to promote reckless driving.
|
||
559 Anheuser-Busch response: Its ads are produced for drinking-age audiences.
|
||
560 R.J. Reynolds Tobacco USA is a winner of the Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon
|
||
561 Award for Joe the cartoon Camel's ad that sends youth messages that its cool
|
||
562 to smoke. R.J. Reynolds response: the ads appeal to young men who already
|
||
563 smoke. Other "winners": Thompson Medical Co.for Dexatrim diet aids that deny
|
||
564 containing caffeine. Thompson's response: The active ingredient is not a
|
||
565 stimulant.
|
||
566 ....and "I am not a crook"....
|
||
567
|
||
568 OIL SPILL CAUSES LABOR PROBLEM:-6/13/89
|
||
569 Fish canneries, hotels, restaurants and nursing homes in Alaska are facing
|
||
570 severe labor shortages because many workers are getting more money - about
|
||
571 $1,800 a week - by helping to clean up the Exxon oil spill. The Valdez Chamber
|
||
572 of Commerce has asked Exxon to subsidize the wages paid by local businesses
|
||
573 and the company is considering helping, says spokesperson Henry Beathard.
|
||
574
|
||
575 BUSH PUSHES ALTERNATE FUELS:-6/13/89
|
||
576 President Bush's air-cleanup plans include strong programs to use alternative
|
||
577 fuels in cars. Many experts say it could do more harm than good. Bush wants to
|
||
578 require automakers to phase in cars that use alternate fuels. His goal:
|
||
579 500,000 vehicles operating in six years, 1 million produced annually after 1996
|
||
580 The alternative-fuel emphasis President Bush puts in his clean-air
|
||
581 campaign doesn't do much to abate global warming, and it neglects fuel
|
||
582 efficiency as the most powerful way to cut emissions, some say. "Looking at
|
||
583 alternative fuels as an alternative to efficiency is the worst thing you can
|
||
584 do," said Deborah Bleviss of the International Institute for Energy Efficiency.
|
||
585 The most important step that can be taken to deter air pollution and the
|
||
586 greenhouse effect is to improve mileage efficiency and beef up car
|
||
587 inspections, specialists say. That should give automakers time to develop
|
||
588 vehicles that run on sources such as hydrogen, electricity or solar power that
|
||
589 don't emit carbon dioxide.
|
||
590 Environmentalists fear President Bush's clean-air campaign emphasizing
|
||
591 alternative fuels will divert attention from more effective ways of reducing
|
||
592 toxic emissions from motor vehicles. Those produce half of nitrogen oxides and
|
||
593 one-third of hydrocarbons that produce smog, acid rain and ozone pollution,
|
||
594 experts say.
|
||
595 DEBATE - AIR USA TODAY'S OPINION:
|
||
596 President Bush offered a realistic plan Monday to breathe new life into
|
||
597 the nation's pace-setting Clean Air Act, smog-bound for a decade by White
|
||
598 House indifference, opposition from polluters and political hot air. The plan
|
||
599 doesn't answer environmentalists' dreams, but it does offer hope the
|
||
600 stagnation will end.
|
||
601 OTHER VIEWS:
|
||
602 BOB LONG, editor of Green Synthesis: There are no easy ways to secure
|
||
603 clean air. Strict enforcement of existing laws plus new legislation may slow
|
||
604 air-quality deterioration. At best, this is the most we can expect from
|
||
605 present governmental action.
|
||
606 PATRICK COX, political and economic analyst: Every new set of laws and
|
||
607 regulations promises profound solutions to difficult problems. Regrettably,
|
||
608 bureaucratic management has dubious record at best and often has quite clearly
|
||
609 worsened the very situations it has designed to solve.
|
||
610 SEN. MAX BAUCUS, D-Mont., sponsor of clean air bill: "The rhetoric is
|
||
611 good, but it's a bit vague in the urban smog provisions."
|
||
612 PRESIDENT BUSH: "Too many Americans continue to breathe dirty air, and
|
||
613 political paralysis has plagued further progress against air pollution ...
|
||
614 It's time to clear the air."
|
||
615 SEN. ROBERT BYRD, D-W.Va.: "The proposal, by leading to massive switching
|
||
616 from high-sulfur to low-sulfur coal, will serve as a disincentive to the use
|
||
617 of clean-coal technologies."
|
||
618 BROOKS B. YEAGER, Audubon Society: "We may quarrel with some of the
|
||
619 details, but it's certainly a major step forward."
|
||
620 EAST MEADOW, N.Y., Marie Parisi, 66, retired secretary: "I would love to
|
||
621 have clean air, but I'm tired of paying out so much money. Taxes are so high
|
||
622 in Nassau County, and when you're on a fixed income, you try to watch your
|
||
623 expenses. Something should be done about the trucks and buses that put all the
|
||
624 smoke in the air from their exhaust pipes."
|
||
625 WASHINGTON, D.C., Lance Elliott, 45, association executive: "No one wants
|
||
626 to pay more, but I would be willing to for this particular issue. Clean air is
|
||
627 a critical issue for the continued viability of society and the planet itself.
|
||
628 If you don't have a sense of conservation, clearly the quality of life and the
|
||
024=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/13/89 17:09 Msg:3973 Call:21799 Lines:19
|
||
629 *%_)#@%*_)#@*%_)$#^*_)#(^)_^*)_#(*^%$@)_(%@#)_!(%)_$#%(*)_$#@^(*%^(#_)(@^_#)(
|
||
630 Remek: Thanks for responding so kindly to my message. You still haven't
|
||
631 answered my original question about communist or socialist countries and
|
||
632 gun laws. You also have taken a mocking position in responding to my messages.
|
||
633
|
||
634 A lesser person might say "screw you and the horse you rode in on."
|
||
635
|
||
636 I choose to respond to the issues. I have never taken sides on this, I have
|
||
637 purposely taken the position of a devil's advocate, trying to stir up a
|
||
638 conversation. You sir, are the only one to respond, and in a tone that I
|
||
639 don't much care for.
|
||
640
|
||
641 I tried to get something going, but instead I have words put in my mouth (see
|
||
642 your last message for several examples of that).
|
||
643
|
||
644 I don't need it.
|
||
645
|
||
646 *%@#)_%_@)#(%)_#@(%_)#@(%!@_)% L'homme sans Parity %*@#_%_)@#(%@_)#%(@)_#%#_)%@
|
||
647
|
||
025=Usr:3 Ramek 06/13/89 23:00 Msg:3974 Call:21802 Lines:29
|
||
648 A "mocking" position? I suppose you could look at it that way. You simply
|
||
649 dismissed the arguments out of hand by taking them out of context and putting
|
||
650 words in my mouth, so I thought I'd reply in kind. You chose the debate and
|
||
651 the weapons, I'm just using them.
|
||
652 In regard to your point about my not answering your question about guns and
|
||
653 socialist countries. I'm not sure specifically what you are refering to here.
|
||
654 Do you mean you original question about How many socialist/communist countries
|
||
655 have gun laws similar to the US? As I mentioned in my last three messages and
|
||
656 I will do so again, my knowledge of such things is limited because the
|
||
657 information is not generally available. It is just plain hard to get that sort
|
||
658 of information. Much of what I know is gleaned from what I read in magazines,
|
||
659 papers, and see in documentaries on TV. Not the best source for information,
|
||
660 but short of being there and living in the countries there is little that
|
||
661 can be done to improve the information flow.
|
||
662 In specific answer (assuming that the afore mentioned question is the one
|
||
663 you are expressing interest in), I have to say that I don't know specifically
|
||
664 how many socialistic countries have laws similar to the US. I can say what
|
||
665 I have deduced based on what I have seen and read, which is probably none by
|
||
666 the definition that most people would use. But then that would be true of
|
||
667 western countries too. The US is rather unyaue in that respect. Most countries
|
||
668 consider our ideas about guns to verge on lunacy.
|
||
669 Bases on the documentary that I previously mentioned, there is one soviet
|
||
670 block country which goes so far as to allow ownership of not just rifles, but
|
||
671 also hand guns. This is because it is a tradition within the country that
|
||
672 apparently was very important to the people. And no, I don't remember the
|
||
673 name of the country, I simply watched the documentary because it was
|
||
674 interesting, I didn't take notes. Gee, I didn't know there was going to
|
||
675 be a pop quiz! ;-)
|
||
676 ===== Ramek ===== It's hard to be a jerk when no one takes you seriously =====
|
||
026=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 06/14/89 22:15 Msg:3975 Call:21815 Lines:4
|
||
677 )((*&)((**&)((**)(*&)((**&)(*&)((**&)*(*&)(**&)**&)((*&
|
||
678 lurk
|
||
679 )(*&)((**& )(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(**&)((*&)(*&)((*&)((*&)((&
|
||
680
|
||
027=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/14/89 23:03 Msg:3976 Call:21816 Lines:11
|
||
681 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
682 Anybody know what ancient 10 meg hard0drive controlers support in the way of
|
||
683 hard drives? I just can't seem to get this stupid drive I bought to work with
|
||
684 this controler. The hard drive is a microscience international 10 meg half
|
||
685 height.
|
||
686
|
||
687 All help will be greatly appreciated.
|
||
688
|
||
689 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
690 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
691
|
||
028=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 06/14/89 23:55 Msg:3977 Call:21817 Lines:44
|
||
692 {}
|
||
693
|
||
694 AD, if you don't mind long drives or bus rides, check out the Beaverton
|
||
695 area for apardments. I admit, you will be a little hard pressed to keep
|
||
696 the rent and utilities down to $300, but most of the apartments here
|
||
697 are usually taken care of, unlike other cities.
|
||
698
|
||
699 As for the hard drive & controller, well, what EXACTLY do you have?
|
||
700 Is it SCSI MFM? Or RLL? Will the drive accept Seagate stuff?
|
||
701 I really can't help you that much, but I hope I could point you
|
||
702 into the right direction.
|
||
703
|
||
704 And finally, as for the argument between L'H-S-P & his(?) adversaby,
|
||
705 why can't you just take the third side of the coin? Do you know how
|
||
706 irritating it is you hear "there are only TWO sides" when "I SEE THREE"?
|
||
707 For every situation, there will be THREE choices, not TWO. Try sitting
|
||
708 on both of your rumps & contemplating this before standing up again.
|
||
709 What is happening in China? Anarchy at its best. Civil War at worst.
|
||
710 But that's not important. The government there is not important. The
|
||
711 "Student Groups" there are not important. THE PEOPLE THERE ARE
|
||
712 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Many people have been killed (as in
|
||
713 they cease to be), and I think many more will be killed. What the
|
||
714 world will see (and nothing else) is a struggle for power. Shut
|
||
715 out the editorials that you see on television, ignore the snide comments
|
||
716 you may read in the paper or magazine, and read between the lines.
|
||
717 People are dying. And all because people choose to believe in
|
||
718 a concept that has been far outdated: GOVERNMENT. The people of
|
||
719 the world will never understand why governments don't work, simply
|
||
720 because they take governments for granted. For a moment I had great
|
||
721 hope for China as the troops and the students simply stood and
|
||
722 stared at each other. It was the best outcome possible; no
|
||
723 violence, no bloodshed, no deaths, but still the Chinese government
|
||
724 remained, and still the students protested. Had the goverment had
|
||
725 the balls to negotiate with the students (the wiser choice), things
|
||
726 might not be as bad as they are now. But someone in Power decided that
|
||
727 they did not want to loose their priviledges. And you know
|
||
728 how I feel about priviledges (look up the root words for what I mean).
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729 Why can't we simply do something a little more constructive that
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730 would please everyone - as in reaching a common verdict about
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731 the "Real Poop" in China?
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732
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733 A Cynical Hagbard Celine, abused by the System but still fighting.
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734
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735 {}
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029=Usr:277 Schizo 06/15/8) 01*21 Msg:3978 Call:21821 Lines:39
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736 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
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737
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738 Entangled in their beloved Saran Rap, both lovers die
|
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739 of pnumonia.
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740
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741 As time passes so does petrolium.
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742
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743 Work not in the labor camps but at McDonald's.
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744
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745 Wait for a rainy day and play golf.
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746
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747 He who chews bark off of termite infested trees is bound to
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748 get a bad cold.
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749
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750 Oh no, it's Friday.
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751
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752 Sleep well my children for tomorrow you'll have to do it again.
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753
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754 Contestants are advised not to endulge pre-cambrian fantacies.
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755
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756 Time drifts through the fingers of a lonely insurance salesman.
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757
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758 Drink the doctor, chew the nurse and spit out the patient.
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759
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760 Hello, I'm starving!
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761
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762 Alaska isn't a problem, it's miller time.
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763
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764 Driven to complete infatuation, the mutant teen commits adultry.
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765
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766 Just say "No Rope today thanks."
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767
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768 Oh, if only I could fly like a Giraffe!
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769
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7700It's not how much you eat, but how well you eat it.
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771
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772 Music is the root of all evil - fortunately it costs money now.
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773
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774 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
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030=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/15/89 05:17 Msg:3979 Call:21824 Lines:26
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775
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776
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777 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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778
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779 -+|[ AN EXISTENTIAL QUIZ ]|+-
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780
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781 YOU'VE JUST REALIZED THAT LIFE IS UNFAIR.
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782
|
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783 DO YOU.....
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784
|
||
785 A) Endlessly struggle to make life more equitable for all of
|
||
786 mankind ?
|
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787
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788 B) Endlessly struggle to gain more power so that life's
|
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789 unfairness works for YOU ?
|
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790
|
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791 C) Watch stock car races on ESPN, drink beer, and don't
|
||
792 sweat it.
|
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793
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794
|
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795 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
|
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796 Choose Carefully, And Godspeed
|
||
797
|
||
798 {+}{+}{+}{+}
|
||
799
|
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800
|
||
031=Usr:277 Schizo 06/15/89 12:02 Msg:3980 Call:21828 Lines:41
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801 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
|
||
802 For vacation this year I think I'll take the slow boat
|
||
803 to China. I hear they're having lovely weather this time of year.
|
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804
|
||
805 Milk bone dog bisquits - they plump when you cook 'em.
|
||
806
|
||
807 White man's burden Lloyd, white man's burden.
|
||
808
|
||
809 Everybody is waiting for you to die.
|
||
810
|
||
811 Each owns his own, but I ain't got nothin.
|
||
812
|
||
813 You spend too much time on the computer, try snake fishing,
|
||
814 it's a great escape.
|
||
815
|
||
816 My bloody crotch reeks of new cars.
|
||
817
|
||
818 Your birthday comes six months early this year!
|
||
819
|
||
820 It is recommended that reading commence no sooner than
|
||
821 twenty-two hundred hours.
|
||
822
|
||
823 It seems we have a clemidian amongst us!
|
||
824
|
||
825 Three sides make a triangle while four sides tend to confuse me.
|
||
826
|
||
827 The sum of the parts is greater than something.
|
||
828 Waxing and Waning, the moon is a fool!
|
||
829
|
||
830 You are only a heartbeat away from the nearest commercial.
|
||
831
|
||
832 The joys of hupperglonking are hard to describe.
|
||
833
|
||
834 Way too long time age of the disk space is limitless.
|
||
835
|
||
836 I hate beans now come home Ronnie.
|
||
837
|
||
838 And many, many more...
|
||
839 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
|
||
840
|
||
841
|
||
032=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/15/89 13:29 Msg:3981 Call:21829 Lines:12
|
||
842 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
843 Hagbard, I'm not sure what it is. Other then the manufactorer there is no
|
||
844 thing that shows what model number it is etc. And since I got it at the
|
||
845 CPM computerfest there was no documentation.
|
||
846
|
||
847 I really have to start looking for housing soon, probably tommorow. (Right
|
||
848 after I see GB II. (I know, but it's only the 4th movie I've been to in the
|
||
849 last 10 years.)
|
||
850
|
||
851 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
852 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
853
|
||
033=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/15/89 14:56 Msg:3982 Call:21831 Lines:14
|
||
854 -=-======-=--------=-=====-=-=-------=-=========-=--------=-========-=------
|
||
855 Hgbrd, I agree compleeetly (Your governmental (or lack of same) insights).
|
||
856
|
||
857 Thing Fish, I'd probably try A first then go to B and probably end up on C.
|
||
858
|
||
859 Hey is it just me or was Rosebud (I'm talking 'Bloom County' here.) or was
|
||
860 she? not a he? inn the beginninng. Did I missss a few weekss or what?
|
||
861
|
||
862 L.B.\__/
|
||
863 oo 7"abernacky
|
||
864 c.b.
|
||
865
|
||
866 Donut holes are not realy anti-matter.
|
||
867 --{=-=-------==--=------=-=========-=------=-=======-=-----------=-=======-=
|
||
034=Usr:325 Night Watchman 06/15/89 16:09 Msg:3983 Call:21836 Lines:22
|
||
868 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
|
||
869
|
||
870 Dear Lord! I vacate the board for a mere 125 days and nearly every user
|
||
871 on at that time has been replaced? I know we're in the Age of Change, but
|
||
872 really! Can't anything be said for consistency??
|
||
873
|
||
874 No time (or, it seems, space) for the mindless pbattle that would normally
|
||
875 serve as the border for any meaningful message from me, so I'll make it rather
|
||
876 quick. Mike, where did everyone vanish to? Did the Inn sink into another one
|
||
877 of those parallel dimensions again, as it had a habit of doing when round
|
||
878 robin stories were all the rage on the bulletin boards? Or did the Old
|
||
879 Galactics (with apologies to the late, somewhat lamented Themnax) tire of
|
||
880 their games and decide to look in other directions fob0theyr
|
||
881 quote of entertainment?
|
||
882
|
||
883 Astral Dreamer: GB II? Cme now! Of course, being a Night Watchman, I'm
|
||
884 somewhat prejudiced, but I tthought that everyone was waiting for BATMAN!!
|
||
885
|
||
886 Security Cllear...
|
||
887 System Shutdown.
|
||
888 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*: Night Watchman :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
|
||
889 done
|
||
035=Usr:4 Milchar 06/15/89 18:13 Msg:3984 Call:21839 Lines:6
|
||
890 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
891 Night watchman: We're waiting for THAT one too. :-)
|
||
892 A long period of lurking, with no end in sight save for this brief
|
||
893 interlude in which my few thoughts spill into electronic form which
|
||
894 you now see before you...
|
||
895 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
036=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/15/89 21:14 Msg:3985 Call:21842 Lines:9
|
||
896 Where did everyone go? They went that-a-way! Err.. no, they went that-a-way.
|
||
897 Errr...ahh....
|
||
898 The thing about BWMS is that it is just like the Inn of old, a stopping
|
||
899 place on the road of life. Most people stop in for a short rest, and then
|
||
900 continue on their way with the rest of their life. Only a very few stick
|
||
901 around, and even they move on from bordom after a time. BW has gone through
|
||
902 about four major change overs in it's life along with the constant flow of
|
||
903 transients.
|
||
904 ***************************** CM ****************************************
|
||
037=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 06/15/89 21:44 Msg:3986 Call:21843 Lines:66
|
||
905 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
906 CM-
|
||
907 I remember when I first came on the board. We had some rousing debates
|
||
908 about everything. I had DJJ and a couple of others, and we had the
|
||
909 arch conservatives versus the liberals. Those were fun days in my mind,
|
||
910 were they for you?
|
||
911 And we also had 629 lines of 132 characters each. (I was using a VT100)
|
||
912 And 1200 baud was fast...
|
||
913 And the first major shift I remember was when Pam wrote her description
|
||
914 of the Inn. I was at Dendrite, so it must have been in late 84. Then we
|
||
915 went adventuring, and Friar came about. He has been with me through thick
|
||
916 and thin ever since. Even for debates.
|
||
917 I have changed a lot in the past six or so years, but haven't we all.
|
||
918 Of the one's not here now, I miss Pam and Piper the most. I saved a disk
|
||
919 of Atari software for almost four years for Pam, but I never found a way
|
||
920 to get it to her. And Piper was always one of the key drivers of the
|
||
921 adventures, at least until the Bolos.
|
||
922 Of the people I still hear of, Milchar, L'Homme and Mohammed Wassir are
|
||
923 the longest lived, excepting of course, you and I, and Milch may predate
|
||
924 me. I never got the archives. I suppose I should, and read them all
|
||
925 again.
|
||
926 Ah, but I ramble. Forgive an old soul his rambling.
|
||
927 A new era, a new time happens for all of us. For myself, A new thread of
|
||
928 time started when I first heard our daughter's heartbeat. Time stopped,
|
||
929 jumped to one side, and started on a different track. There is no backing
|
||
930 up over the switch. We are on a totally separate track now.
|
||
931 Think back, over your life. Has it always been gradual change? Or is it
|
||
932 more a series of sameness punctuated by flashes of transformation? Was
|
||
933 there a particular year or month or day or instant when the whole of
|
||
934 existence seemed so alive and intense that you were not certain if you
|
||
935 could stand0the intensity? I have had periods of years where my feelings
|
||
936 about the world and myself did not change dramatically, even in comparison
|
||
937 with hindsight. And then WHAM! Reality throws me a medicine ball. And
|
||
938 life and existance changes, never able to go back to the comfort of things
|
||
939 known.
|
||
940 Perhaps BW is like that. We had been debating, arguing, fighting. Venting
|
||
941 rhetoric and diatribes. Then POW! In comes a sweet innocence that stuns
|
||
942 us, instantly.
|
||
943 Oh sure, we grope and argue for a while more, because that is what we
|
||
944 have found comfort in knowing in the past. But inexoribly, the future drags
|
||
945 us to its breast, feeding us what we need to become changed people, a
|
||
946 new kind of BBSer.
|
||
947 And the process happened another time, when BWMS became BWMS II. And the
|
||
948 changes were more dramatic. It seemed that a lot of the old guard just
|
||
949 vanished. We had General Zod, after a time. We had some wonderful new
|
||
950 people, like Hagbard, Astral Dreamer, etc. And a few of the old timers,
|
||
951 Milchar showing up, myself lurking mostly, CM lurking mostly.
|
||
952 (CM always lurked mostly)
|
||
953 Things change and grow. The Earthly existance we have chosen to create is
|
||
954 as perfect as we want it to be. (K.A. Notwithstanding.) And I am glad to
|
||
955 have numbered you and the people here among my friends and companions.
|
||
956 A few ramblings, I know, but I just felt like laying out a bit of my
|
||
957 perceptions of reality and BBSing, and thank you all for being a part of it.
|
||
958 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
959 On another subject,
|
||
960 Mikey, you once said that you had a limit for how much you were willing
|
||
961 to pay Ma Bell each month, mentioning that first you would drop call waiting
|
||
962 three-way calling, touch tone, etc from your voice line, then go to
|
||
963 measured service on the BBS line, etc. And finally shutting down BWMS
|
||
964 to keep under a certain ceiling.
|
||
965 How close are we to that ceiling? Was there a remodel job on the
|
||
966 living room to raise the ceiling? Are we all hunched over hitting our heads
|
||
967 on the ceiling? ARE WE IN DANGER????
|
||
968 We can help, you know, without incurring the wrath of the "Business Line"
|
||
969 gods at USW. Ve haf ways uff making dem talk!
|
||
970 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] F. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
038=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/16/89 12:49 Msg:3987 Call:21858 Lines:9
|
||
971 696969696969
|
||
972 Erner aborted by user.\
|
||
973 CONGRESS TACKLES KIDS AND GUNS:-6/15/89
|
||
974 The Center to Prevent Handgun Violence says a child dies every day in the
|
||
975 United States in an accidental shooting. Another 10 under age 18 are injured
|
||
976 daily. The figures have prompted U.S. House subcommittee hearings Thursday on
|
||
977 guns and kids. The issue takes on urgency now as the country enters summer,
|
||
978 when more than one-third of accidental handgun shootings involving children
|
||
979 occur.
|
||
039=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/16/89 12:53 Msg:398( Call:21859 Lines:14
|
||
980 ====PLEASE NOTE: ONE-THIRD, that's ONE-THIRD of accidental Handgun
|
||
981 shootings involve CHILDREN...that's CHILDREN===
|
||
982 TOPIC - LIBERTY:
|
||
983 Jesse Hill Ford, novelist, screenwriter and free-lance writer, and George
|
||
984 Thompson, weekly columnist for FLORIDA TODAY, discuss their views.
|
||
985 FORD: I get dog-tired of the complaints about gun lovers. Guns made us
|
||
986 free and guns will keep us free. I believe every youth should be taught
|
||
987 marksmanshyp a~d gun safety. Nothing would please me more than the sure
|
||
988 knowledge that every citizen capable of using a rifle owned one and kept it at
|
||
989 home with an ample supply of ammunition. And the same goes for a handgun and a
|
||
990 shotgun.
|
||
991 THOMPSON: Try telling the importance of guns to a bespectacled Indian
|
||
992 named Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. It was he - wearing sandals and wrapped in a
|
||
993 white robe and the universal protection of the righteous - who also confronted
|
||
040=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/16/89 19:17 Msg:3989 Call:21863 Lines:6
|
||
994 ========================================================================
|
||
995 Friar: no, no imenant danger. The key level is the relationship between
|
||
996 my power bill and the phone bill. When the phone bill average exceeds
|
||
997 the power bill average, that is when I do something to correct the
|
||
998 problem. There is currently a $10 margin on the "safe" side.
|
||
999 ****** CM ******* do you remember when Pam would fill the disk *********
|