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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ************************ INSTALLED: 12 JAN 87 **************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 no restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privately owned, I retain thepright to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 to leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 The line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 *************************************************************************
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20 It is fruitless to become lacrymose over precipitately departed lacteal fluid.
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21 ******************************************************************************
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22 ******************************************************************************
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23
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24
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25 If anybody that reads this is in the area around Beaverton Mall and is into roll playing games there is a club that
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26 A ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCADDDC27 CCCCCCCCCCCACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC28 CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCAAA29 AAAAdelete
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32 If you are into role playing game and live in the Beaverton
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33 Mall area ,a friend and I are forming a gaming club. If you
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34 are intrested then leave not and a phone number you can be
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35 reached at around 3:00-5:00 p.m. and I will try to get reach
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36 of you.
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38 AAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC BBDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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41 Thank you,
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42 Paladin
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43
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44 *****************************************************************************
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45 break
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46 help
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47 tost
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48 fred
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49 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 88
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51
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52 What is Backwater???
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53
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54 Why does it exist???
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55
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56 Is it mostly for "writer" so they can show there work??
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57 (by the way it (they're work) is quiet good)
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58
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59 And how many people read it ?
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60
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61 I am most intrested in so of the stories that people leave here.
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62
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64 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
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65 -------
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66 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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67 I have a couple of points to comment on yet in regard to
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68 "NET" activities. One of them is the comment made on the other
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69 disk in regard to those that complain about the "NET" are just
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70 jealous of them.
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71 I often wonder when I see people use that argument, what
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72 are they really thinking. There is no real evidence in the
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73 previous messages to come to that conclusion. Are they echoing
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74 an excuse taught them by mommy; "Joey said those bad things
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75 about you because he is jealous of you", and not really
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76 considering the content of the messages, or have they actually
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77 thought seriously about it and truely believe what they say.
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78 When a person says such things after due consideration and
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79 thought, I will accept and honor him in his belief whether I
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80 agree with it or not. But, when it is made with no real thought
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81 as this comment appears to be, I have little time or patience
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82 for them.
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83 The other point is directed at L'homme, who commented also
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84 on the other disk that the people who have been commenting on
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85 their own view point about NET and their activities have said
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86 such things as "NET sucks" and that "they are all assholes".
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87 While I do remember one comment back there someplace to the
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88 effect of "NET sucks", it was a one liner that someone left, and
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89 not a part of a commentary left by those expressing their
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90 opinion on the subject. But no one has said that they are
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91 "assholes" in this current thread of conversation. I myself
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92 have used the term 'twit' in reference to NET, but I did so to
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93 express in proper terms that I don't consider streams of "YUOIT
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94 GKJHJ" as being better than "ZZ TOP RULES". Thus if you
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95 postulate that the individual who left the message "ZZ TOP
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96 RULES" as being a twit, then by definition I would have to
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97 consider those who leave rows upon rows of alphabet soup to be
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98 of the same grouping.
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99 As for NET's supposed phone harassment activities, I
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100 wouldn't know. I don't know of anyone personally who could
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101 honestly say that they were the target of such activities, so I
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102 leave that point open until it is either adaquately proven or
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103 disproven. My opinions are based only upon the activities of
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104 the NET here on Backwater and their attitude they have presented
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105 that it is acceptable for them to respond to twitish behavior in
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106 a twitish maner, and that by some nature that they are a special
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107 group, that it somehow makes them "better" than the others.
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108 I also refrain from basing pro or con comments about the
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109 "spy" stories that the NET group left on Backwater mostly
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110 because I am not an enthusiast of such things, and find them to
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111 be boring. I will point out though that since I don't enjoy
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112 such stories that by that nature I personally don't consider
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113 them to be the "best" that has been on Backwater.
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114 Of course that gives you an out, as since I don't care for
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115 those sort of stories my opinion doesn't count in your tally.
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116 - John Dilks
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117 (I'm apparently the only one in this discusion willing to use
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118 his real name.)
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119 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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120
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121 ***********************************************************************
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122 For informational purposes, there has only been one known documented
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123 case in which a phone call was placed as a result of "twit" behavior.
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124 The particular individual was using foul language and in general
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125 disrupting activities. He left a rather simple trail to follow. The
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126 phone call was not harassing, rather it was directed at the individuals
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127 parents notifying them of his activities. Only the single call was
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128 placed and needed. The interesting point is that the individual who took
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129 it upon themself to do this not only was *not* a member of NET, but
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130 they disliked NET because of earlier activities that were attributed to
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131 NET. Specifically modem phone calls at 3:00am. Since the individual has
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132 an unlisted number, the only way that it could have gotten out was by a
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133 sysop releasing it (not discounting that it could have been a sysop
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134 doing the harassing). The end result was that after several weeks of
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135 this the individual finally was forced to change their phone number
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136 (along with all the hassles and expense that goes with it). I can
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137 certainly understand having such negative feelings after such an
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138 incidence. But I would also like to point out that since I know the
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139 individual in question personally, I also know that they are not
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140 involved with the current "discussion" in regard to NET. Thus those that
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141 have disagreements with regard to the NET individuals have based their
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142 concepts on rumor and what they see pass for messages here on BWMS.
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143 Obviously not the last word, but perhaps a few facts were in order.
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144 ************************** CISTOP MIKEY *********************************
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145 P.S. To the person asking above about what BWMS is, why does it exist.
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146 Good question, why do any of us exist? But deep questions aside, BWMS
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147 is best defined in the first 18 lines of the disk. Hardware wise it
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148 consists of a data-storage device that was modified into its current
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149 form. The device is called a "DiskWriter" and was built by Edge Technology,
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150 It has 1K (1024 bytes) of ram memory, 8K of ROM, and 2 floppy disk drives
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151 (35 track 5 1/4"). It does not have an operating system in the general
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152 sense, BWMS *is* the operating system and it is burned in the 2708 EPROMs.
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153 BWMS was originally put on line as a modem testing system to test the
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154 design of the PCS-103 modem that I was working on at the time. Later I
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155 opened the system up to public access after private use was leading in
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156 that direction anyway. BWMS was placed in operation in late '81, and went
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157 public in early '82. Exact times are unknown (I wasn't keeping track of
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158 such things). Archives of all data entered on BWMS starting from when it
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159 went public are available at cost of reproduction. As to why does it exist
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160 (or continue to exist), largely because I continue to through $22+ a
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161 month at the thing for no perspicuous reasons. But then why does anyone
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162 throw money at a boat or other obviously useless hobby? I do derive some
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163 recreational value from the system, and it does provide a way to contact
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164 and meet people that I would not otherwise encounter in my normal everyday
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165 activities. Is it mostly for writers? Well, I suppose you could say that
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166 given that the only way you can leave anything here is to 'write' it.
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167 <ahem>... But, there are a large proportion of writers (or at least those
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168 aspiring to write) who use the system. The writing is not good by most
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169 standards, but the people here don't try to live up to any standards.
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170 It is used more to test concepts and ideas, and to allow beginners
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171 (and old timers) to flex their writing mussles without having to withstand
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172 the scrutany of attachment to their real name. I guess the best way to
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173 describe it is as a sort of "improv" club for writers. That isn't to say
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174 that only writers use the system, and even they get bored with just
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175 writing all the time, thus debates, political commentary, and religous
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176 discussions roll through the system on a regular basis when things get
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177 too boring. But BWMS always seems to return to the focus of a writer's
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178 board once things settle down. The primary focus is the Backwater Inn
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179 which is in a medieval setting. High tech weapons are disallowed by
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180 local natural laws, and fighting within the Inn is strongly discouraged
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181 by the Innkeeper. Most advetures take place away from the Inn, with the
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182 Inn serving as a focal point to start and end them. Between adventures
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183 th8 patrons like to sit around the fire and enjoy each others company.
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184 The descriptions of the Inn itself are varried, and probably could only
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185 be understood in full by reading the archives. But quickly put, the Inn
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186 sits at a crossroads with a small stream nearby overwhich there is a
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187 footbridge. There is a small courtyard in front of the Inn with a Rowan
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188 tree that grows near the main entrance. There is a rear court with
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189 some out buildings. Inside the description changes sometimes as well,
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190 but there is a large oak door at the entrance, there are rooms to rent
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191 upstairs with an overlooking balconey, several backrooms for those who
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192 wish to be alone or to discuse things in private (one of which is involved
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193 in the current "door" adventure). Numerous tables and chairs and benches
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194 scatered about. And a bar behind which is the entrance to the Innkeeper's
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195 rooms. There is a wine cellar below under the protection of elves, and
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196 of course the big fire place around which everyone likes to gather.
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197 Geographically there is a city to the South, and beyond it a sea port.
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198 To the north is a dark and forboding forest (no one seems to have ever
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199 come back from that direction). To the west is a dark forest, but though
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200 people seem to have trouble in that direction, they usually make it back
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201 alive. To the east are high mountain ranges covered with snow. That about
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202 covers the description, the details tend to change without notice as needed
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203 for a story line. As to how many read the system, that changes all the
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204 time. There is a hard core group of writers of about two dozen or so, and
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205 an an unknown number of readers (referred to as lurkers, people who stay
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206 in the shadows watching the activities and goings on of the Inn). During
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207 peak activity the system can be in use almost constantly all day and night,
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208 while during slack time (usually after a heavy twit attack) things can
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209 drop back to just the core group. There are probably 100-200 people who
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210 call the system more than one or twice. There is no real information to
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211 this as BWMS does not have anyway of keeping track of callers. There are
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212 no special treatment given to anyone, everyone has the same abilities
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213 as anyone else on the system.
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214 Hope this answers some of your questions.
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215 ******************************* CISOP MIKEY *****************************
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216 P.P.S. Ack! a hundred lines of writing! My, I do get carried away don't I?
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217 ******************************************************************************
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218 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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219 Carried away? Not too far away, I hope?
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220 ```````````````````````````````````
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221 Backwater, sometimes damned, other times praised. Whiners and writers in equal
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222 numbers. Where else can you find such a mix of people? We have fantasy writers.
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223 We have the spy people. We have the quick and dirty messages. Everything grows
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224 together, and what do we have? Backwater.
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225
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226 Something has been said about lines and lines of so-called gibberish. What's
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227 the story on that stuff? The occasional lines of meaningless letters were not
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228 really gibberish to those who know how to read them. I can't read katkana, but
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229 I know better than to say it is gibberish. It made certain individuals angry in
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230 not being able to read these coded messages. One way of getting back at those
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231 leaving the codes messages was to leave large non-codes messages of total
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232 gibberish. Just press random keys on the keyboard and feel good at getting
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233 back at someone. Sounds like a good way to spend time to me.
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234
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235 Backwater wasn't the optimal place to leave coded messages, but circumstances
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236 sometimes dictated leaving a single message to certain people on this system.
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237 What a tremendous crime. So ZZ TOP RULES is the same as a coded message. I
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238 completely disagree with you. ZZ TOP RULES says nothing but inane childish
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239 things about a rock group, who certainly don't think of themselves as rulers.
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240 Obscenities, blank lines, deleted lines, insults, attempted uploads of old
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241 backwater disks. This is the stuff twits are made of. Coded messages that
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242 at least a half-a-dozen people can read are not the same, and any long winded
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243 diatribes to the contrary, such as those entered by Mr. Dilks, are simply
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244 misinformed and therefore unfounded.
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245
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246 Since Mr. Dilks is so possessed in pointing out just how unprincipled the
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247 NET writers are, why doesn't he contact them directly. If his karma contains
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248 the directive to clear the air and lead the visitors of backwater to true
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249 understanding, then let him log on a system that uses real names and ask
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250 the same questions he asks here. I have never heard of John Dilks until now,
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251 and I frequent several bulletin board systems. So what is the real story?
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252
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253 I propose this Backwater/NET discussion move to another system, and let these
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254 long winded arguments move on, and let the stories that have made backwater
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255 such a unique place, continue. Of course Mr. Dilks and others realize that
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256 several of the people insulted for their association to NET also write dozens
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257 of other personas, some of which have been on the favorable end of many a
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258 comment. So much for seeing through the characters to the real person behind
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259 the mask.
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260
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261 So what will it be? Continue on and drag down backwater and its current 'door'
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262 mystery, or move along like ladies and gentlemen and let the writers have
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263 access to the phone line?
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264 antediluvian interval
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265
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266
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267
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268 -- -- --
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269 |__ __ __ Speaking of long winds... __ __ __
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270 __ __ __|
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271
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272 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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273 Cistop Mikey: Thanks for the info about the inn! I've been looking for some
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274 for a long time. Now I can visualize the place more accurately, and maybe even
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275 think up a story sometime.
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276
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277 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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278 ````````````++++++++++++============```````````````~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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279
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280 Dear Cisop Mickey
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281
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282
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283 Thank you for the info. on what this system is and 'about'
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284 how many people read it. I would also like to thank you on the
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285 setting for the inn.
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286
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287 Bye,
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288
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289 Erik Banach
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290
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291 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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292 exit
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293 Aoff
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294 Er, Erik, that's Mikey, not Mickey. And the Cistop, not cisop. Not that anyone
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295 would be confused as to who you are talking to, but proper spelling is a simple
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296 and common courtesy; Names that is, just names. :-)
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297 French Toast
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298 _______________________________________________________________________________
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299
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300 CALL THE 503 ELITE BOARD, RUNNING
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303 BAUD. 24 HOURS A DAY. THE PHONE
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304 NUMBER IS 280-xxxx. CALL TODAY!
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305
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306 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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307
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308 James sighed a heavy sigh. Damn that woman, he thought to himself. Damn her for all she has done to me. If it
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309 weren't for her, I wouldn't have gotten in this mess in the first place. He looked out over the barren landscape,
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310 searching for a landmark he knew existed in his mind, but one that his eyes said was not there. Damn her a third time.
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311 He struggled with the memory of their first meeting back on Kadan. She had seemed so innocent then. Innocent. Hah.
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312 He knew much better now, too late of course to do anything about it. A glint over a distant dune attracted his
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313 attention. Was this what he was looking for? Quickening his pace, the sand flowed beneath his worn sole
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314 shoes. Could it be? As he approached, his eyes grew wide. This was not what he expected. Topping the ridge, he saw
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315 for the first time the complete picture of what lay before him, and of what had fallen behind him on this long tiresome
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316 journey. It was a sight to behold....
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317 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\That's right\\\\\\\\\\\\\I'm back\\\\\\\\\\\You are all so lucky\\\\\\\\\\
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318
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319 but.. but.. but.. he DIED! I SAW it! His author came and did him in!
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320 I'm so confused. I know! It's a plot by those NET heavies! Yeah, that's it,
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321 NET and John Dilk's working in colusion to confuse the unwashed masses!
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322
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323 How dare you call me unwashed. I showered this morning. I used my deoderant,
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324 and I am not unwashed.
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325
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326 Mr. Clean
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327 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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328 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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329 My goodness, when I made my initial "infamous NET" entry I had
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330 no idea I'd stir up such a tempest. All this time I thought I
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331 was the only one antagonized by the NET arrogance. Fascinating!
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332 However, I too am ready to go on to something more productive
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333
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334 George
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335 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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336 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
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337 George, John Dilks, and others:
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338 Fine, *I*'m willing to drop this. Time will tell about the others.
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339 A couple of minor points:
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340 1. I seem to recall that we *asked* the sysop if it was ok to post coded
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341 msgs before we started. (Mike?)
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342 2. One of the more interesting things about the codes (there have been
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343 several, we are currently on number 5). It got to be a game. Some
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344 users looked on it as a puzzle. Several NET members were "recruited"
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345 this way. They cracked the code and sent us a msg in it! Others did
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346 likewise but did not want to join. We of course changed the code.
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347 The more difficult version withstood attack for a week or two....
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348 This led to Level 3 which was almost immediately superseded by Level
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349 4. Level 5 was created due to needs *other* than security. Level 4
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350 was (to my knowledge) broken once. Of course, this was by the great
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351 Alex, who has forgotten more about code than I'm likely to learn!
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352
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353 If anyone is actually interested, I could consult with the other members
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354 as the possibility of releasing the "keys" to L1, L2, and L3. I don't
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355 believe that anything still needs to be kept quiet after all this time
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356 (I don't *think* we used our real names in any of the msgs :-) )
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357 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
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358 PS. as L'homme stated, the there has been *no* code from Net in at least
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359 SIX MONTHS! I was halfway thru loading one of the bogus "msgs" into the
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360 decode program when I realized it was supposedly from *ME*! As far as
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361 can be determined those "codes" were indeed pure gibberish. (I tested
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362 for *quite* a few possibilities....)
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363 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
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364 ____01/13/87__________________JD 2446809.7421_________21:48:39_PST_________
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365
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366 If movement through normal space requires time (at least some at any speed),
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367 then am I correct to assume that movement through time would require space? And
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368 if this is so, how?
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369
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370 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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371 I too am willing to let the issue of NET slide. I've made my
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372 comments and stated my reasons for them, so there is no need to
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373 repeat the same thing over as that is all that it would be if this
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374 discussion were to continue.
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375 My reason for commenting on it in the first place was to
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376 point out that to those of us who cannot (and have no desire to)
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377 read the code that is was as much gibberish as the "ZZ TOP RULES"
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378 messages, and in fact that the ZZ TOP message at least being readable
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379 gave something see that was readable. Just because the coded
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380 message was readable by some did not make it any less gibberish to
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381 those who saw nothing but a jumble of letters.
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382 Nor have I said that those involved in the NET group were
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383 "unprincipled". That is your word, not mine. Nor have I
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384 commented on the personal belief structure or public mask of any
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385 specific individual involved with NET. Again, those are your own
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386 creations from what was said. I have however commented on the
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387 operations and activities on NET on Backwater and how I veiwed them
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388 (as have apparently others by the comments).
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389 I commented on the issue because the subject was brought up.
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390 I have no intention of "leading the visitors of backwater to true
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391 understanding." Once again, that is your construction, not mine.
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392 And, Backwater is certainly not limited to just writting stories
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393 as Mikey's last message pointed out.
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394 In regard to why you apparently haven't seen me on other systems,
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395 I don't frequent other systems except VERY rarely. I have no desire
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396 to see yet another message about how much better an Apple is over
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397 an IBM PC, or '59 Chevy pickup for sale. I have called other systems.
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398 I am not responsible for insuring that you see my name appearing
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399 in front of your eyes.
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400 Mostly I have spent what system time I do spend here on
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401 Backwater. And, as with everyone else, I use a pen when here,
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402 though I believe I used my name here once or twice in the past,
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403 I can't remember for sure.
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404 - John Dilks
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405 -----------------------------------------------------------------
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406 [the Archivists can remember... t-hee.]
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407
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408 If I hear one more reference to the ZZ TOP RULES entry, I am going to be ill.
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409 |t --
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410
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411
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412
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413 ####### #######
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414 # #
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415 # #
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416 # #
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417 ####### #######
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418
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419 ####### ####### ######
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420 # # # # #
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421 # # # ######
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422 # # # #
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423 # ####### #
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424
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425 ###### # # # ###### #####
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426 # # # # # # #
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427 ###### # # # #### #####
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428 # # # # # # #
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429 # # #### ##### ###### #####
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430
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431 ;->
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432 '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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433 Imagine how the sun was reflected in the marble. Polished and yet
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434 chalky, the dull hue of pale white was shown everywhere on the artifaces,
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435 depending where you looked from. Ivy crawled everywhere over the marble.
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436 Latched around itself in places, and in narrow cracks which showed on
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437 aging portions of the structures. The area was a marsh. Mountains and
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438 curvatures of hill were visable through the leafless trees. In the
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439 immediate area, were slowly winding rivers with overhanging cliffs of tree
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440 roots and other features of wet lands. Nests abounded in the near trees.
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441 Since the leaves had long since fallen into the marshes below, the nests
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442 were in plain sight. As was the marble house that was on the crest, above
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443 a wide bend in the river. Looking out from the aviary, you could see the
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444 swirling depth of the water during storms, or the broken pattern of scales
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445 when the sun was setting behind the water. As of the moment, the sky and
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446 the clouds passing overhead were the only thing to be seen in the dark
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447 green waters.
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448 Across the river, over it for birds, was particularly stout tree.
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449 Aged and not withering, it still rose every year. Even outdistancing the
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450 once saplings who were then growing up around its own roots. On one of the
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451 thickest and least observable branches was a peregrin falcon. People who
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452 observed birds for an occupation had named it entirely differently, but it
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453 was still a peregrin falcon.
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454 On the marble porch there sat a girl. Her eyes were open and she
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455 stared directly at the bird. She blinked and was startled when the long
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456 screech would occasionally come from the falcon. Flocks of birds or ducks
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457 would then avert their direction, in deference to the screech. It
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458 frightened me, and I was nearly a man. Standing on a raft of my own
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459 devising, I was pushing my way down the river with the help of long poles.
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460 It would later find acceptance in the area as a way to get from place to
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461 place, and see people, but at the time, I was the only one who had ever
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462 navigated the river. Passing with the current and under the cover of the
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463 brambles which hanged over the edgy shore, I stared at the girl. I gather
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464 I was only one of the people who had ever stared at her. She held the same
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465 aura of resilent strength and determination that the falcon did, as I
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466 turned around and spotted it. Her loose white clothing billowed in the
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467 wind, and her face chilled with the oncoming winds of the night. And there
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468 she stayed. I had almost no idea of why she was waiting there, or what she
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469 was waiting for. I rather fancy the thought that she was waiting or hoping
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470 that the bird of prey who was so much like herself, would come and stay
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471 near her. Also, I rather fancy there was some motivation of thought the
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472 other way around, from the lone peregrin.
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473 '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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474
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475 Refreshing!
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476 B R A V O !
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477
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478 |=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|
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479
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480 Boy, somebody HAD to do it after being issued a sick sort of challenge, didn't
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481 they? For those of you who will miss it I am referring to the 'ZZ TOP RULES'
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482 graphic (if you could call it that) that was posted soon after John Dilk's
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483 (pardon if I misspelled) entry. Well, I have one more thing to say, and then
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484 I will bother you no more with this thought. If all of you are so eager to go
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485 on to other things, why don't you just do it and quit being so long winded?
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486 Besides, everybody knows Led Zeppelin ruled long before ZZ Top...
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487 ---And so dies the NET discussion (a very gross pun indeed) and on that note...
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488
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489 |=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|chaos!,jdfpgjn@out v9875-v984 n-187b984bc;lkjf
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490
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491 ::::::::O O:::::::01/14/87:::::::::::::::::::::::::00:45::::::::O O:::::::::::
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492 and before Led Zep, there was The Doors!
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493 (or at least concurrently :-) )
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494 PH(J) - I believe I detect your trademark in the peregrine entry a short
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495 distance above? (no, I don't mean the zztoprules, that pretty much *had* to
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496 show up after all the references).
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497
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498 Slime Pit Minds Rule the Universe!!
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499 (oops, I mean
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500 :::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::
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501 Slime Pit Minds Rule the Universe!!
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502
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503 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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504 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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505 An uproar had risen around several of the tables. Voices were raised,
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506 emotions roiled, but the discussion stayed peaceful, albeit heated. The
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507 piper roused partway from slumber, thought breifly about joining the
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508 discussion, then decided that it was really pointless. Just as he was
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509 about to drop off to sleep again, he heard the dread slogan!
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510 ... "Slime Pit Minds Rule the Universe!!" ...
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511 A chill ran down his back. If they only knew...
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512 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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513 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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514 I thank you, kind sir, for this mug of ale. Now that the natives are
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515 settling down, perhaps we may drink in peace!
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516 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu
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517 O you deep-scheming son of rightminded Themis, against your will and mine with
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518 ineluctable brass I am nailing you down to this rock away from men, where you
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519 will never hear the voice or see the sight of any mortal, and, scorched by
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520 the sun's bright fire, the flower of your flesh will shrivel, and you will
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521 be glad when rich-clothed night shall hide away the day, and when once more
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522 the sun scatters the frost at dawn. Always the load of what you suffer at
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523 the moment will oppress you, since your saviour has not yet been born. This
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524 is your reward for your idea of helping men. Yourself a god, you did not
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525 shrink from wrath of gods, and gave to man promotion beyond what is right.
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526 And therefore you will now be sentry of this joyless rock, standing upright
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527 not sleeping, not bending the knee. There will be many sighs and many useless
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528 groans that you will utter. Zeus's mind is hard to turn by prayer, and all
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529 whose power is new are hard hearted.
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530
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531 --Aeschylus
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532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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533 If you want the truth, nothing but the toot:
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534 Give Jake the rake a call .. :-(
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535 -----------------------------------^
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536 And I thought Theus entered it... ]
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537 -----------------------------------
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538 Okay, the Doors AND Led Zeppelin...
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539
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540 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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541 Everyone says they'll stop talking about the NET but nobody does
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542 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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543 Slime Pit Universe Rules the World
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544
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545 ***************************************************************************
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546 John, I'll accept your statement that you didn't start the argument. But
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547 then who did? From reading the last few disks I can't see that NET did.
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548 Unless you count the responses to the false Ian MacHinery entry as starting
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549 the argument!
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550 George, did you? Since the original entry was unsigned we can't tell who
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551 started it. But _I_ tend to think it was unprovoked.
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552
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553 Now as for the arguments themselves.... John, did you miss Ian's comment
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554 that *non-NET* people were reading the code *on their own*. It was no more
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555 gibberish than a foriegn language is. But I can understand your objection.
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556 Ian, you have to admit that towards the end of the *real* NET postings
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557 you people were getting carried away. I seem to recall a 100 or so line
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558 ciphertext?
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559 Everybody, while this is the closest to a well-reasoned debate we have had
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560 in many a moon,(stand up and take your bows!) it still could have been
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561 better. When you say something and the other guy responds, you should not
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562 merely repeat your coments (or minor variations thereon). Neither should
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563 you merely quietly drop some of your comments. You should acknowledge the
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564 points that have been refuted. If you still believe that the rest of your
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565 points are still good, you should explain what was wrong with the counter-
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566 arguments put against them. Ok? We'll get a lot farther this way....
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567
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568 I apoligize for any bias but several of the people on one side are friends!
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569 ***********************THE PHANTOM OF BACKWATER****************************
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570 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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571 **********************************************************
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572 Who started the debate? Minnie-commie, that's who.
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573 **********************************************************
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574 NO! NO! NO! THE BEATLES RULE, THE DOORS DROOL!
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575
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576
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577 <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..>
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578
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579
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580 The door of the inn opened in the middle of the groups discussion. A
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581 tall curly headed man strode into the
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582 room and walked to the bar. He was dressed in a long coat and had a
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||
583 ridiculously long scarf wrapped around
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584 his body. "A ginger beer please". He
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585 began to pull objects out of his coat pockets. A half eaten apple, a
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586 compass, bags of candy, a magnifying
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587 glass, a long cylyndrical rod with a
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588 rounded head, and many other objects
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589 were soon piled up on the bar. Finally
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590 the stranger found what he was looking
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591 for. A few coins were quickly given
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592 to the innkeeper in exchange for the
|
||
593 ginger beer.
|
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594
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595
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596
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597 <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..> <..>
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598 who?
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599 ***************************************************************************
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600 I happen to be one of those infrequent visitors to Backwater. Having read
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601 through the "debate" over NET, I must say that things like this are what
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602 keep me comming back. Far too many of us have become more like our computers than we would
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603 like to believe. It is refreshing to read stories and arguments that have
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604 come fresh from the human mind rather than a pre-programmed can! Some of
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605 the arguments are better than the others but the same can be said of the
|
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606 stories. A twit is a twit, whether he leaves his mark on a message system
|
||
607 or the wall of a public toilet. If he can be identified he should be
|
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608 punished; if not, he might as well be ignored and your energies saved for
|
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609 things more useful. I thank you all. I wish I could write as well as you.
|
||
610 ************ THE COURT JESTER **********************************************
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611 EXIT
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612 OFF
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613 Don't you know the difference between a vandal and a twit?
|
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614
|
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615 There's a large amount of overlap. It's essentially a matter of degree.
|
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616 =___________________________________________________________________________
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617 HUH?
|
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618 It's so lonely over here. Drive a is almost full, and there is still this
|
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619 space left open here. Won't someone fill it with something nice and warm
|
||
620 and friendly? It feels so cold and barren without anyone to talk to.
|
||
621 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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622 Have you ever thought of calling twits anon?
|
||
623 They can help, they helped me. call today, call right now! 555-1212.
|
||
624 don't delay, that's 555-1212. Don't forget, 555-1212. That's twits anon
|
||
625 555-1212. Do it today. You'll be glad you did, and those around you
|
||
626 will be too. So call right now, 555-1212. operators are standing by for
|
||
627 your call. do it now, 555-1212. operators are standing by.
|
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628 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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629 I think you should consider giving them a call yourself! Sheesh! - THE END -
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