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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************* REMOVED: 25 AUG 84 *******************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 i may find you out on the streets and beat your face in...
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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21 WOW !!! At the top. (That dispensed with, I may continue)
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23 ALL - The N.A.P.P. is scheduled for 5-OCT-1984 at around 1900.
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24 The place is the MT Bottle and Deli, which allows minors, but
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25 not twits, so all BW Irr. will be allowed.
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26 Last time, we begged, everyone said please, and Mikey came.
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27 (Along with Batguano, DOM, CYM, and many others.)
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28
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29 OK, Mikey - P L E A S E ! ! !
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31 Mikey - If we could get you a 1200 baud for a price within your budget,
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32 ie. nothing, could BWMS handle it ? Reading at 1200 baud
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33 would be much easier on the eyes, and ease entry to the system as
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34 it would be less tied up.
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35
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36 ALL - Did someone record the Nightline Broadcast last night ? (On Beta, or
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37 audio cassette) I would love to see or hear it.
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38
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39 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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41 hi. this is a wierd system.
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42 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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43 Was that the same twit who did the same thing to the last disk? I cant believe
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44 there are those with such a small (if not nonexistant) amount of intelligence.
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45 Stop trying to ruin this for everyone else.
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46 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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47 Mikey: Since this is the first BW event that looks like I'll have a
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48 decent chance of making it to, PLEASE, PLEASE come to the NAPP.
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49 Fast Fred
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50 BSAL
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51 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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52 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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53 Mikey -- You have my deepest sympathies! (Yes I understand the manual
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54 problem -- I write them for a living!) Part of the problem, of course,
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55 is dealing with the general public. Somehow it seems that the great
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56 unwashed majority not only has an exaggerated opinion of their technical
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57 expertise and reluctance to read the manuals that we write, but lack
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58 the social skills necessary to relate to each other (and us) in a
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59 non-agressive way. One of the most welcome features of the inn is the
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60 social contracts that we see being formed around us. Modes of behaviour
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61 are tried, accepted or rejected, and a general feeling is reached as to
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62 what is "good" behaviour and "bad". We cooperate to conserve scanty
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63 resources (disk space) and come down on those who waste lines. We exhibit
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64 a nice diversity of opinion, and defend each other's right to state
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65 differing opinions while attacking the opinions themselves. Would that the
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66 world at large adopted the behaviour that the majority of Backwater users
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67 exhibit from day to day.
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68
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69 All --- if you have not tried the old Nerdolux (now KAMAS BBS -- is that
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70 official MiG?) it's kinda' interesting. There is a topic called FICTION
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71 that is just begging for something to be done. It may take a few tries
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72 to learn how to use it, but we really should give it a try!
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73 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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74 TWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWIT
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75
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76 Dear MiG, we are very close to having a stapler. So are you.
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77 Do you mind if it's scratched a bit
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78 or do you want perfection! Also, what color do you prefer, grey possibly???
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79 Just wanted to let you know that we didn't forget it.
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80 Zaphod and ASP
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81
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82 TWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWIWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWITWIT
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83 ****************************************
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84 LIKE HELLO,Y-KNOW
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85
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86 LIKE THIS IS ME AND LIKE I'M
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87 Y-KNOW.LIKE THIS IS BITCHER,FERSHURE,
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88 LIKE I CAN LIKE REALLY RELATE TO THIS
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89 Y-KNOW.LIKE IT'S TOTALLY ASOWM,TO THE
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90 MAX.I'M SHURE.AND LIKE WOW.AND LIKE
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91 TOTALLY WOW,Y-KNOW,LIKE TUBULAR.
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92
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93 BUT PLEASE DON'T GAG ME WITH A SPOON
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94 BECAUSE THEN LIKE I'LL LIKE BARF LIKE
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95 ALL OVER,LIKE GROSE,Y-KNOW.AND THEN
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96 LIKE YOU LIKE,I MEAN,LIKE YOU WILL
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97 LIKE HAVE TO CLEEN IT ALL UP,Y-KNOW,
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98 AND LIKE IT'S TOTALLY BARFY
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99 WELL LIKE BYE
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105 LIKE ME
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106 ****************************************
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107 Oh my Gawd! The Val Gal has returned!
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108 L'homme: I now have a NEW adapter & the system is working fine. It's wonderful
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109 being able to read Backwater while the Model III is editing archive files!
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110 Mikey: I removed a block of blank lines from #42 thru #139. I remove a block
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111 from about 540 to 629 on what is now drive B last night. I hope the twit gets
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112 tired of this soon!
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113 _____________________________________Leonard____________________________________
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114 ]I[ ]I[ : Piper, do you have a Son type creature by the name of Justin? If so,
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115 I am heartily impressed! : ]I[ ]I[
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116
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117 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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118 Piper:yes, it is offical. I am, of course under my real name, on the system
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119 if you care to exchange opinions on life in general. I might also add that the
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120 KAMAS USERS GUIDE topic is a great tutorial for all to read. Its not finished
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121 yet though.
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122 Zaph&asp, my stapler? in gray? with my very own box of staples? why, thank you!
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123 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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124 All - Am interested in contacting Commodore-64 users interested in telecommunica
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125 tions. Contact Richard - 238-xxxx
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126
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127 IOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOI
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128
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129 THE McDONALD CODE
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131 This is another example of a serial I/O code. The name comes from Jerome
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132 McDonald, the long-term senior member ofa dairy science research team with the
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133 Department of Agriculture, who first popularized its use.
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134 The code turned out to be so good and so effective that it was first picked
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135 up by other government agencies and, then, by industry. It is now up before
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136 several standards committees and, at present, it has been granted Electronic
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137 Industries Evaluationary (EIE) status.
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138 Thus, the old McDonald farm code is now an EIE I/O.
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139
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140 from The Micro Cookbook by Don Lancaster
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142 IOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOI
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143 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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144 Does the N.A.P.P take in new people that have only called into this board for
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145 just a small while?
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146 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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147 ##############################################################################
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148 Someone up there is terribly mistaken. I have never been to one of
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149 the NAPP meetings, and sorry to say will never in the future. I don't drink
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150 nor do I enjoy socializing outside my own environement.
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151 Hope you all have fun and that CISTOP MIKEY will show up.
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152 #########################c##############DAMIEN II AKA CYM#######################
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153 **********************************************************************
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154 It is not a matter of persuation, it is simply that I currently am not
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155 into social activities. I need to do the things that I want to do, and
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156 I have precious little time of my own available to do it in. It is
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157 simply a matter of priorities, and I am afraid that the NAPP is not
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158 very high on the list. Were it not that BWMS has its own built in forced
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159 schedule, I wouldn't even be here. I have more then once considered
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160 dropping it from shear lack of time to support it. It can be a large
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161 drain on me in both time and being. Were it not for the small return I
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162 get from it as an escape tool, I doubt that I could justify its existance
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163 at all.
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164 ****************************** CISTOP MIKEY ******************************
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165 Mikey: If you EVER decide to "drop" BWMS, please put it up for "adoption"
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166 I'm sure one of us could give it a good home!
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167 ________________________________Leonard________________________________________
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168 Anyone out there know enough Latin to tell me what "AMO CONVENTUM INSTITUTI"
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169 means?
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170 ________________________________________________________________________________
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171
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172 Thanx to all who contribute to this wonderfully and explicit BBS as I am
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173 enjoying myself to the utmost by the class of writers utilizing and adding
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174 to the boards character and prestige. I must agree with one person who spoke of
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175 how disagreeable it is to see someone with little or no social acceptable
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176 qualities get into the BBS and try to spoil it for those who genuinely give
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177 their best to making this board a cheerful breath of fresh air.
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178 Sam Pendergrass Milwaukie, Ore
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179 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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180 To the person who asked about the son... no, I do not have a son named Justin.
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181 However, I do know a person who has a son of that name, and if this is the
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182 person to whom you refer, I can appreciate your (ooohh -- I worked myself into
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183 a corner here and can't think of a word to use -- impression? impressedness?)
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184 At any rate, this person is a co-worker with initials K.R.
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185 Mikey -- I appreciate your time problems. I once ran a business of my own
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186 and had very little time of my own as a result. Now I work for others and
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187 have very little time of my own. Ahh, well....
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188 MiG -- I will leave you mail on KAMAS BBS. A non-BW conversation would
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189 be unusual for me ... it's been a long, long, time....
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190 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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195 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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198 TODAYS WEATHER:
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200 SHOWERS TODAY AND TONIGHT, BUT DON'T WORRY, MOST OF THEM WILL BURN UP
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201 BEFORE THEY REACH THE GROUND.
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202
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203 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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206 TOMORROWS WEATHER :
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208 INCREASING SHOWERS, DEFINITLY NOT A DAY FOR HANG GLIDING.
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209 WE NEED MORE DONATIONS. ARGON LASERS DON'T CUT METEORS!
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211 R.R. MONKEY
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213 WEATHER-MATIC LASER SYSTEMS INC.
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215 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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216 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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217 Ratchet watched the Fortress towers through the Light- Enhancing scopes of the tank he had killed to be in.
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218 The bodies laid on the wet sand of the beach. They had not lived to see the dusk which was just now ending.
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219 Ratchet still watched the Towers slightly sorry for those who he had killed that day. He waited silently for the exlosions
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220 that meant Lord Dakken was dead, and he could leave.
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221 Checking his chronometer he noted that he had .003 of a second till the explosions destroyed the Towers and he could try to
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222 escape. No time to cringe.
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223 Explosions rocked the island and spewed rubble for a quarte kilometer. Ratchet checked the scope, the garrisson behind the
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224 the gates of the Fortress were scattering and there was dissarray of orders, counter orders, and more orders.
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225 Ratchet turned the keys that made the patrol tank start and left the scene. The electric motors humming, and Ratchet singi-
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226 ng a song that Dakken and he had learned when they attended the english school in New York together.
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227 Both were the sons of high ranking Intellgence under the covers of diplomats. "That is what an embassy is for, son." he
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228 remembered his fathers words when he discovered his fathers secret mission.
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229 Ratchet drove the tank over rocks and finally into the sea. When he got about 35 meters deep and 350 meters out he spotted
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230 the submerged Hydroplane that would take him home. He drove for it, and decided to visit his fathers grave when he got back.
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231 As the doors closed and the water drained out he open the hatches and saw Stacy running towards him. And he saw Captain Lee
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232 come in.
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233 He also spotted Dakken uniforms and didn't wait to see Dakken submachine guns. He gt Stacy up on the tank just as the first
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234 shots were fired, at Stacy.
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235 Ratchet saw that it was a flesh wound and scuttled Stacy into the tank. He drew his automatic and pulled the trigger and
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236 started spraying the Dakken uniforms with red splatters.
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237 Jumping down into the tank he turned the proper keys and pushed te right buttons and the main gun blasted a hole in the bay
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238 doors. The little motors fought against the stormwaters that had started soon after he entered.
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239 Thats when he saw that Stacy was lifeless, dead.
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240 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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241 WHAT DRIVEL!!!!!!!!!!!! CDP !!!
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244 I AGREE; MY DOG WOULD BE OFFENDED BY SUCH A MUNDANE, DEINTELLECTUALIZING GIBERISH.
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245 0001001000110100010101100111100010011010
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246 Anyone,
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247 Does Dragon Lady still exist?
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248 Pam still lives, but, doesn't use the
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249 modem much. I miss both of them here.
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250 The place just isn't the same without
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251 them.
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252
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253 Bandit
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254 1011110011011110111100000001001000110100
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255
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256
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257 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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258 From Hawthorne: Angered!!
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259 What you have called drivel, CDP was mine. I am not in the mood for attacks on anything that I do, I never am.
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260 I willl however welcome polite help in raising the quality of my writing. I am asking for help actually.
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261 Instead of screaming Mindless Drivel why not tell me what is the matter with it all. If i agree, and even if not I will try
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262 to acheive more next time. Is that understood?
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263
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264 Riskers; Can I play?
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265 Controllers; Okay, if nothing else than can I use a null as a delay character? If not; what then?
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266 Tome; In an old odd facts book I have, it says that the weight of the Earth(parts estimation) is about 6.6 sextillion. Is
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267 this correct?
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268 NAPPers; If Mikey went, Aaron would have gone. I got on too late to tell anyone this before Mikey's message about time.
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269 And speaking of Mikey; There is somebody tampering with the first three lines of this disk.
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270 Good afternoon, to some.
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271 Prometheus Hawthorne sd8409.21
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272 From I.K.V. Denthier mt14??.??
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273 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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274 ---------------------------------------------------------------
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275 WE INTURPUT THIS PROGRAM FOR A VERY VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE
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276 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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277 I my self............will give......nothing.....to no one and no one to nothing..........if you can find out who i am
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278 you can tell me and i will give you a reward..............
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279 well it has been nice knowing you and nice living here on this planet earth .....i will not die i will not live i will not be
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280 my self and i will not be anyone who wants to be me...........
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281 PS=>i will give you clues on these systems.....
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282 ROME-636-xxxx
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283 London calling ae line=>635-xxxx
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284 MOSCOW AE LINE-635-xxxx
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285 Whispering Pine ae line-682-xxxx
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286 West Side Net Work*=<=if it gets back up=>=*
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287 And all of the CBBS'S
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288 FIDO NET 59 -629-xxxx
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289 Not the bit bucket...............>.>.................>>....>.>>>..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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290 ------------------The Clock Card Display------------------------------------------IRON MAIDEN RULES ALL-----------------------
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291 -----------------------DIO---------------------------------------
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303 OOPS sorry about that i should waste disk space.....
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310 <<:*********************************************************:>>
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311 Hawthorne: I thought it was good. Actually I thought it was
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312 the best stuff I've seen on this board for along time. Grand D.
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313 <<:*********************************************************:>>
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314
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315 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
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316 Prometheus Hawthorne-
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317 And good reason for you to be angry. I can assure you that I did not
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318 leave that message. I haven't been on BW since last night. It isn't my
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319 style to cut people like that. I can only assume that someone has chosen
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320 to have people on BW angry at me for my recent writings.
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321 Sincerely,
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322 CDP
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323 @*@*@**@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@@*
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324 Mikey,
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325 Bit Bucket just went 1200 baud. Will you be the last on your block?
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326 CAN you go 1200? As I recall, someone previously asked this question. The
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327 way Bit Bucket is handling it is this: modem is on loan, to be purchased by
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328 user donations. It looks like they're gonna make it, after only a day.
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329 Maybe you could try the same thing.
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330 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: P. V. Jeltz ::::::::::::::
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331 BRAVO HAWTHORNE! GOODLY DONE!
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332 I AM AT THE FIRST(C) BASE OF ALL.
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333 GOOD BYE MY FELLOWS, I AM OFF TO JONRIL.
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334 ...............................................................................
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335 Prometheus: I've seen worse! You might try to watch your spelling.
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336 Something about the way the story was progressing bothers me, but I
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337 can't quite figure out what it was. It may have been the uneven background.
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338 You told us that his father (and Dakken's) had been in Intelligence, but you
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339 didn't tell us WHO Stacy was, WHY he blew up the fortress, or WHY he and Dakken
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340 were fighting.
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341 As for delays, go ahead and use null.
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342 _____________________________________Leonard____________________________________
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343 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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344 CDP: I DON'T THINK THAT WAS SOMEBODY ANGRY AT YOU. I THINK IT WAS ONE OF
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345 THE IMMATURE PEOPLE
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346 PIPER AND MIKEY: TIME IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT. ALTHOUGH I SHOULD NOT BE THE
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347 ONE TO TALK, AS I WAS A HORRIBLE WASTER OF TIME. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS
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348 *REALLY* IMPORTANT TO YOU, AND SCEDULE TIME TO DO IT. FOR EXAMPLE, I USED TO
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349 WATCH STAR TREK RERUNS I HAD SEEN 5+ TIMES. THIS WASTED AN HOUR, WHEN I COULD
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350 HAVE BEEN WORKING, OR HAVING FUN ON BWMS, OR ANYTHING ELSE BETTER.
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351 A BALANCE IS ESSENTIAL. WITHOUT PLAY, WORK BECOMES TOO DEPRESSING AND YOU
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352 SUFFER FROM "BURN-OUT". WITHOUT WORK,
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353 PLAY BECOMES BORING AND STAGNANT. I NOW HAVE A STRICT SCEDULE, AND AM MUCH
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354 MORE HAPPY THAN BEFORE. THOUGH THIS MAY NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE, I FEEL THAT
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355 IN GENERAL, IT IS A GREAT FORMULA FOR PERSONAL SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS.
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356 (SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I GET PHILOSPHICAL AT MIDNIGNT.........)
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357 MIG: WILL CALL BETWEEN 12AM AND 3PM TOMORROW. JCS IS BACK IN TOWN, AND
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358 I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO GET TOGETHER FOR SOME RINGWORLD.
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359
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360 GOODNIGHT, ALL. I HOPE THINGS PICK UP TOMORROW!
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361 JONATHAN CHANCE
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362 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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363 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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364 TO HAWTHORN
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365 I DIDN7T CARE FOR YOU STORRY BECUSE I DON'T CARE FOR MINDLES VILENC
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366 JOE
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369 Ladies and Gentlemen,
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370 I am Tome and this is what i thought of Hawthorne's story;
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371 1 ] It did have promise if only more facts were given. It was intended to start a story, but didn't give much of a beginni-
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372 ng. It seemed more like an installment than a founding story.
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373 2 ] The story jumps to o much.
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374 33 ] His request for advice is being fulfilled.
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375 ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]IA[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[ ]I[
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377 Ratchet didn't worry enough, or regret killing enough for me to identify with him. Katango Jones
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378 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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379 Prometheus: Ratchet, as in the Windhover Tapes? Didn't think so.
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380 Technically, your story (episode) had several grammatical errors.
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381 You didn't maintain the same tense - "Ratchet turned the keys.....motors humming....".
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382 Past tense in one sentence, present tense in the next.
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383 You also had some subject-verb agreement problems - "the garrisson (sic) were scattering.."
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384 Garrison is singular (it's one group), and so it should have been "was scattering" instead of "were".
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385 A lot of the sentences need some sort of punctuation, such as commas or semicolons.
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386 You try to cram too much into a sentence, and it gets confusing and bulky. You are
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387 also mistreating independant and subordinate clauses. (the grammarians are into
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388 the terminology; I just have a passing knowledge.)
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389 The first half wasn't bad as far as the story went, but the second half got
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390 somewhat choppy.
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391 If I had it sitting here in front of me, I could give more detailed criticism.
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392 Since my printer isn't hooked up right now, though, I'm operating from memory.
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393 Hope this helps.
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394 ???????????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ??????????????????????????????????
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395 ?`? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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396 Well! after a perfectly wretched night I log into BW and find that after someone
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397 tries to start something the twits return. I refer of course to the reference to
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398 "mindles violence" Look around you, this whole world is made up of mindless
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399 violence. Man is a violent animal, hate and killing come second nature to it.
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400 At least he had the guts to put something up, when I last tried to it was erased
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401 within 2 hours of its formation. As I do not have`upload (ever try to slow down an analog upload tape to BW
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402 speeds?) I did not try`again.
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403 Jonathan Chance:Nope, I hope to be pawing my delicate way through the guts of
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404 two dead H9 terminals at that time, try sometime after dark.
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405 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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406 I agree with the dislike of mindless violence, and, no, it isn't "man's nature">
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407 If the sysop is too busy with his own business to attend to our socializing, we
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408 are the losers, but don't criticize him for it. Jonathan? , you seemed to
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409 believe we all need some play time, as well as work time. What is 'play'
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410 ?? isn't it something we enjoy?? Soo, Mike, do you enjoy working??
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411 Will try to be there.
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412 ....................................................BAD.................
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413 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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414 Hawthorne -- I hope you are not feeling cut to ribbons with the helpful
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415 criticism you have gotten. I still remember coming out of a conference with
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416 an editor feeling lower than the dust on the belly of a burrowing snake. Just
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417 remember that 1. you asked for help and 2. the help has been of a positive
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418 nature. It took me nearly two days to realize emotionally that the lady who
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419 edited my first book really was helping rather than attacking me personally.
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420 Grit your teeth, bear the pain, swallow you pride, admit you can improve, then
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421 rewrite with that criticism in mind. I know, it hurts, but do it and the
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422 improvement makes you feel as good as the pain hurt. After a number of years,
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423 it becomes easier to divorce yourself from your writings, after all, they are
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424 what you say, not who you are. Taking criticism is never easy, but it never
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425 should be. Objections to your subject matter, however, are never valid. You,
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426 and you alone, can choose what you want to write about. Those who object to
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427 your choice of subject are merely exposing their limited appreciation of the
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428 variety available in the world. The only person on this board who has the right
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429 to dictate subject mater is Mikey -- and he chooses only to remove writings he
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430 finds in bad taste. (I devfend your right to write sado-masochistic pornography
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431 if you wish to, and Mikey's right to remove it from the board.) Some persons
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432 are offended by violence, others by sex, others by religion, and others by the
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433 lack of one or more of the above. Have fun, offend them as you wish -- but
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434 separate criticism of the writing from dislike of the subject you are writing
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435 about. Your writing shows promise -- what you need to do is practice, and
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436 you'll find some of the toughest (and also easiest) critics around on the
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437 backwater. Go to it! Produce! (By the way, if you want a multi-author story,
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438 the rules change -- if you want to do it all yourself proceed.)
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439 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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440 ***********************************************************************
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441 Piper: I would disagree with you on one point above, That being that
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442 objections to subject matter are unimportant. I learned it hard hard
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443 way, I lost a contract because I assumed that anything I wrote would
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444 be accepted. It was for a while, but only because the editor didn't
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445 know anything about the subject, and had nothing to gauge my subject
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446 matter on. Later as he learned more, he began to see that what I was
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447 writting did not fit into what he was trying to sell. I was asked to
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448 change my subject matter as a result, or.... I took some offenseat
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449 this (it is hard not to when someone critisizes your work) but did
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450 try to adjust. But finally we both decided that I wasn't fit for doing
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451 what he wanted, so the contract was terminated. I was glad to get out
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452 of it because it was no longer fun. You have every right to write what
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453 you want, but your audience has every right to object as well, and
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454 further they have the right to ask that you remove yourself from their
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455 enviorment if it is deemed such. (I.E. If I were to start writting
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456 porn for the Oregonian, the readers would have a right to request
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457 that I stop.) This is because I am invading their enviornment (their
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458 daily paper). On the other hand were I do write the column for
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459 Willamette Week.. err ah excuse me.. for some underground newspaper
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460 that the audience accepted that type of writting, then the subject
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461 matter is not of concern. You can write anything you want in the
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462 privacy of your own home, but when you decide to present it to the
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463 world, you have to expect that what you have written may not be
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464 accepted by everyone. Nor is there anything wrong in that, it's life!
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465 ***********************************************************:
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466 On the subject matter of work/play, I disagree with that vastly
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467 missused concept. There are things in life you do because you
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468 want to, and there are things you are willing to do that you
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469 don't like so that you can do those things you want. These are
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470 not always divided into work or play, many times work is play.
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471 If you veiw it from the standpoint of enjoyment of the activity.
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472 And I have also seen many situations where supposed play was
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473 not a very enjoyable activity, does this make it work?
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474 We usually set goals of those things we want to do, and then
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475 work towards those goals sometimes the activity is enjoyable
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476 other times it isn't. But each side activity away from them
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477 main goal must be weighed against the priorities of striving
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478 towards the main goal. Sometimes they loose out, and sometimes
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479 they don't. But is seldom a matter of play verses work in the
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480 strictest sense. As time goes by, your values and priorities
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481 change and things that had high priorities in the past will
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482 dwindle, while other activities will increase in priorities.
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483 No one else can decide your goals and priorities for you,
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484 you must do that for yourself, or you will never enjoy life.
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485 ****************** CISTOP MIKEY *****************************
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487 GOLLY GEE, FOLKS, HAWTHORNE'S HEAD MUST BE A- SPINNNG ROUND AND ROUND FROM ALL THIS STUFF, BUT IT REMINDS ME OF SCREAMING "YOU
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488 ARE FAR TO TENSE, YOUNG MAN!" AT A NERVOUS PERSON.
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489 ABOUT SPENDI' YER TIME WISER THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS, IT DEPENDS ON WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE. IF YOU HAVE THESPARE TIME,
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490 THEN IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO SPARING THINGS IN IT.
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491 A TIGHT SCHEDULE IMPLIES THE NEED FOR A TIGHT SCHEDULE. THIS IS NOT THE CASE FOR EVERYONE. MANY PEOPLE WORK HARD TO HAVE SPARE
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492 TIME THAT THEY CAN WASTE AS THEY SEE FIT (I.E. Star Trek RRERUNS)
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493 GOOD BYE, TILL THE MORNING ALL.
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494 SUPERMECHANIC( SUPERPOWERFULL ALIEN THAT LANDED IN KENTUCKY AS A BABY, HENCE THE ACCENT, MAKES SENSE, EH?)
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495 just lurking............... the Phantom Glitch
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499
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504 **********************************
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512 --> CALL CLUB TROPICANA BBS!!!
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513 --> 10PM TO 7AM, 7 DAYS A WK.
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514 --> 297-xxxx
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515 --> SYSOP...BOY WHAMMO!
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516 --> THANX!!!
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518 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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519 Mikey - OK. We will miss you, however. Send over an astral projection
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520 if you like.
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521 What about 1200 ? I think we can get you one, as there are a lot
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522 of us with 1200 capability. (all of you who have it say aye)
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523 Quite a crowd. What about software ? Can someone help ?
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524
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525 Seq. Riskers - So far there are three of us. Need three more.
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526
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527 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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528 *#_*%@_)#*%_@#*!_%*@+%@*%_@*%_@+!%_@#*%_@*!_%+_%+!*%_@*%_@#*%_!*!+*%_@*%_@@%*@_
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529 Aaron : Where are those plane tickets for Berkeley?
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530 Mikey : Sorry to hear about your not attending. We will miss your presence.
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531 I used the advice about the FCB setup, and the drive G error went
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532 away. Thanks for the help!
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533 Laz : What do you think about these recent allegations about the organized
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534 hecklers at Mondale and Friends speeches? The media has now gotten
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535 the bug, and already I have seen two "special" reports on heckling/
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536 ethics in government.
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537 QuizMaster : How goes the broken system? How goes the great search for the
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538 elusive chip? And more importantly, how does it feel to lose
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539 two out of three?
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540 *%_@*_%@#*_)%*@#_%+!%!#% L'homme sans parity *%_@*_@)_!)*%!%+!*_%*_)@%@_%@*%@%_
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541 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp0ppppp
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542 Mikey -- point well taken on subject matter. However, we must always
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543 distinguish between criticism of the subject and criticism of the craft
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544 by which the subject is presented. Our duty in criticizing others
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545 (ahh .. we do that so well, don't we?) is to make those criticisms clear
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546 to those whom we criticize. It's a cheap shot to call someone's writing
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547 poor if the content is what we object to -- or, in this world of imperfect
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548 grammar, to denigrate an arguement because the person presenting h(is)(er)
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549 views does not use accepted grammar or spelling. True, poor spelling and
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550 grammar can weaken an arguement, but do not invalidate a point of view.
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551 Also, we who throw our thoughts out to the world must try to improve
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552 the presentation of those views -- your audience reacts very strongly to
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553 the cosmetics of the presentation. Now to go out and see if my cow has
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554 decided to produce a replica of herself (replicow?).
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555 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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556 *****************************************************
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557 Piper: Very true, it is one of the biggest problems I encountered
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558 as a writer, getting constructive feedback so that I could find out
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559 if my audience liked what I was writting. All too often I would get
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560 no response at all or when I did it was simply in the form of it
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561 was OK, or it stunk. These are hardly inputs which allow me to see
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562 what I am doing wrong or right. Unforunately, I think a lot of the
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563 non-informative feedback is simply due to the person not knowing
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564 how to express his like or dislike. Thus the typical response of
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565 it was great, or it was garbage. Personally, I am not as intense
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566 over things like grammer, puncuation and speeling, but I do recognize
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567 the destruction they can cause to the flow of the story being told.
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568 The less enticing the story, the greater the chance of loosing the
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569 reader due to the poor thought carrier (words). The other thing that
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570 hurts the story a lot, is lack of personal involvment in the story
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571 by the author. The story must contain substance. If you don't care
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572 about it, how do you expect your readers to care? The emotions do
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573 show thru. If we get into fictional writting, another common problem
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574 by the emerging writter is to treat the enemy as props, things to
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575 use for the sake of the story. This can be a dredful mistake. The
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576 reader needs to understand the otherside of the issue too. They need
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577 to know why it is the enemy, and this reasoning must hold up with the
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578 story line. Alass, to often they are so intent on getting to the
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579 action, that they forget about how they got there. (Mind you, I am
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580 as guilty as anyone in many of these things, but when I do write,
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581 I try to keep them in mind. Story lines can be had a dime a dozen.
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582 It is being able to build them into a real and tangible world that
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583 the readers can identify with that is tough. That is what seperates
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584 the writers from the copyboys.
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585 *************************** CISTOP MIKEY *****************************
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586 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ To All...
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587 Being
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591 RUBOUT
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597 Being a new writer (but an old
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598 reader) and not too adept at this
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599 OldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOld
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600 Ah, for the the days of old when we were young and innocent and knew
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601 nought of the tomorrow. Ah, for those times again.
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602 OldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOldOld
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