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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************* REMOVED: 10 NOV 83 ****************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 A wayfaring stranger
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26 come along the path
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27 listened to all the
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28 foolish talk,
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29 And laughed off his
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33
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34 ANON, NO I WASN'T AWARE OF "JURY NULLIFICATION", AND IT IS AN
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35 INTERESTING SUBJECT, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IT APPLIES (EXCEPT VAGUELY).
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36 CAPTAIN AMERICA IS CORRECT WHEN HE SAYS THAT JURIES ARE PART OF THE
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37 COURTS. IF ALL JURIES REFUSE TO CONVICT DUE TO A SET OF COMMON SPECIFIC
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38 CIRCUMSTANCES IN THEIR CASES, THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED AN INTERPRETATION
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39 BY MUTUAL CONSENT. SO, YES I STILL BELIEVE THE COURTS HAVE THE FINAL
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40 RIGHT OF INTERPRETATION OF LAWS. AND WHEN I'M ON A JURY (WHICH I HAVE
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41 DONE WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE) I AID IN THOSE INTERPRETATIONS.
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42
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43 CAPTAIN AMERICA: WE AGREE (EXCEPT THAT YOU WERE A BIT SNIDE). SAY,
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44 CAP, HOW'S BUCKY THESE DAYS?
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46
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47 "?????(ETC.)": YES, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, AND IT USUALLY RELATES
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48 TO MY PERSONAL EMOTIONAL STATE AT THE TIME. A QUEER RESPONSE TO A
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49 QUEER QUERY.
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50
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51 ANALOG ALAN: SOMETHING POSITIVE...... SOUNDS GOOD. WHAT DO YOU
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52 SUGGEST?
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53
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54 OTHER ASSORTED CRITICS: I AGREE THAT THIS DEBATING SOCIETY CAN GET
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55 TIRESOME. BUT YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE BUT WIND IN THE TREES UNTIL YOU SUPPLY
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56 AN ALTERNATIVE. I'M OPEN TO CHANGE, BUT I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CHANGE
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57 IS BEFORE JUMPING IN.
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58
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59 HROTHGAR: WELL NOW! HAVE YOU EVER WORKED FOR THE OREGON BORDER
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60 PATROL?
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61
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62 ANON (AGAIN): RE. THE INQUISITION..... WHAT ARE YOUR CHIEF WEAPONS?
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63 SURPRISE? FEAR? AN ALMOST FANATICAL DEVOTION.....
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64
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65 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM'[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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66
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67 P.S. DOM, ARE YOU OUT THERE? YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN YOURSELF FOR A FEW
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68 DISKS.
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69
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70 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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71
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72 To Whomever:
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73 From Dusty
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74 Truth in itself is a rather deceptive concept. A glance at Websters shows
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75 such definitions as "a sincerity of action, character, and utterance", "the
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76 state of being the case", "the property (as of a statement) of being in accord
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77 with fact or reality", and "a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality".
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78 For myself, I limit the term "truth" (unqualified) to the meaning "the property
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79 of being in accord with reality", and accept as true only those statements that
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80 can be objectively tested against reality. In like manner, I accept as "false"
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81 (also unqualified) only those statements that can be shown to contravene reality
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82 Now-- we have the Judeo-Christian creation proposition and the "theory of ev-
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83 olution". According to my criteria for truth, neither of these is true, and
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84 in addition, neither of them is false. In order to somehow discuss the vast
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85 majority of subjects that cannot be shown as either true or false, and with
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86 the understanding that any judgement of their potential truth or falsity is
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87 mainly subjective acceptance or rejection of argumentative and physical evidence
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88 --I stand by my earlier assertion that "comfort" most nearly describes my
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89 feelings on many subjects. Sure, I could say "according to my beliefs and
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90 biases, proposition A has a greater probability of being true that proposition
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91 B." I find it just as informative to say that "I am more comfortable with
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92 idea A than with idea B."
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93
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94 With that, let's look at some of the arguments that have been raging. I am
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95 much more comfortable with the IDEA of religion that any of the religions that
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96 have shown themselves locally. I am quite uncomfortable with most "Christian"
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97 religions, although I might change my mind should one come along that truly
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98 followed his teachings. I have not been truly comfortable with most of the
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99 eastern religions as well... however I am not completely uncomfortable with
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100 the "true pure land" sect of Buhddism. Namu Amida Bhuttsu. (that covers
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101 me for this life). In addition, I cannot be completely comfortable with the
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102 "theory of evolution" (particularly as presented by its opponents) but I am
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103 comfortable with most of the arguments and evidence given by the proponents.
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104
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105 However-- whether or not (following the evolving universe back to the "big
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106 bang" and the created universe back to the creator) either case, or neither
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107 is true-- the search goes on for a prime cause. If the universe was caused
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108 by an initial explosion, where did the matter and energy to cause this expl-
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109 osion come from? If the universe was created (either by a being who created
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110 the forces of evolution or who created the evidences of these forces for it's
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111 own reasons) who created the creator? Each step we reason backwards still
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112 requires a first cause if we hold that every effect requires a prior cause.
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113 Ah well, Goedel proved that any system complex enough to describe itself cannot
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114 be show to be fully consistent.
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115
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116 Just a disquieting thought-- assume the "big bang" theory is correct. The
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117 primal matter before the explosion indeed could contain all knowledge of
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118 the universe-- it contained the components of our present universe. It was
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119 everywhere, knew everything. God? ...
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120 Perhaps the "big bang" was God's death throes, and we are the maggots feeding
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121 off His corpse."
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122
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123 :::I remain uncomfortable with that idea:::
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124 ----------------Dusty---------------------------------------------------------
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125 Pam:
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126 Maybe you didn't 'get' the joke. Don't worry, it was intended to be somewhat
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127 obscure. The line about 'No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!' is from a Monty Python show, which totally by coincidence
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128 was shown a few nights ago. Unless you've seen the show, you won't understand the joke. Aside-----How many folks out there
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129 are Python fans? Don't everyone raise their hands at once......
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130 But seriously, what DO you think of a government that would keep us ignorant of our rights, especially the right that
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131 says the Jury has the final decision? It would be like trying to gloss over the 5th amendment, threatening defendants with
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132 long prison terms if they didn't admit their guilt. Quote from somewhere: "If you don't know what your rights are, you haven't
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133 got any!"
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134 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::
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135 P.S. Yes, I know that people realize that the jury has the 'final decision', but they don't know that in reaching it they
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136 can ignore any law they wish, any instructions they are given, etc. Just had to clear up that point.
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137 *************************************************************************
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138 Anon: You should read what PAM said more carefully, Yes, she did recognize
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139 the line. Read what she said. After all, there are two chief weapons.. no,
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140 three chief weapons... no, four chief weapons...........
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141 Dusty: Thank you, it is not often that one sees an opinion expressed around
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142 here in realistic terms. As you indicate, these things are really based on
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143 what you are comfortable with and what you personally will accept as
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144 'true' or 'false' evidence to support or detract that which you beleive
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145 to be reality. This makes another persons reality no less real however,
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146 even if it is directly opposed to your own version. Facts can be found to
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147 support most any concept you want to come up with. Even scientists despite
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148 their protests to the opposite base their world on certain precepts that
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149 they 'believe' in. They too fall pray to misdirection and fanatisism(?)
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150 (I was reminded the other day of a rather famous discovery made some years
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151 back called 'Poly water'. How many out there remeber that one?
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152 ***** "No one expects..." THE END "Oh bugger!" ********************
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153 ******************************* CISTOP MIKEY ***************************
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154 P.S. CHUCK: I am have difficulty getting the info on the modem parts.
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155 I no longer have a lot of the info needed, and I have to regenerate
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156 it. As such ths takes time. (Calling people up and asking dumb questions
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157 like "I remember seeing a modem chip once, I think it was made by TI,
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158 but I'm not sure. Do you know what I'm talking about?") AMD makes a
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159 modem chip that would be compatible to the PCS-103 modem (300 baud
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160 Bell 103 and 1200 bad Bell 202). But they want $40.00 each for them.
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161 This makes them a bit expensive. I don't expect to see this price change
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162 much for a while it has been stable all year. Also in my explorations
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163 I discovered that the IC market has gone crazy again (20 week backlogs
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164 ect.) and as such is next to impossible to get parts anyway. You can
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165 get a few if you are willing to pay 10 times the normal cost. The last
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166 time this happened, about six months later business came out of a
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167 recession and was booming for about 2-3 years before it fell on its
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168 face again. Anyway, I'm glad I ain't in the hardware market like I
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169 use to be, I got enough problems without trying to figure out where
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170 I'm going to get my next 74LS00 from, or what I can use instead.
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171 ******************************************************************
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172 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Iif anyone would be kind enough to reply I would like to
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173 know what you all think about wizards.Yes,the storybook type.
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174 And the modern day wizard too.
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175
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176 Jody
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177 ---------------------------------------------------------------
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178 So you guys wanna talk about reality? What say you about a) television
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179 newscasts or b) the performances of Howard Cosell? Now there's reality!
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180 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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181 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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182
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183 Ok.........
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184
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185 What is the air speed velocity of a sparrow carring a coconut..........??
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186
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187
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188 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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189 P.S. Are there any Shrubbers out there
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190 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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191 Or is the term Shrubists ?
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192
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193 +++++++++++The Knights of Ni +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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194 t
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195 g
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196 exit
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198 list
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199 Cistop Mikey:
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200 Rereading the messages, I expect you're right about PAM and the Inquisition.
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201 I do remember the nonsense about Polywater. How long ago was that, any way? 10 years? I think they finally chalked it up
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202 to contaminants in the water... And what about the recent 'Hitler Diaries.' Seems they were written on a book bound in
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203 Imitation Leather, a material first manufactured in the 50's. That really embarrassed everyone.
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204 We have seven chief weapons......
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205 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::
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206 p.s. I have one lethargic cat around here. Any suggestions?
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207 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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208 WELL NOW!
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209 DEAR PAM: NO, BUT THE FELLOW YOU MENTION IN THE PATROL IS DEFINITLY A ROLE
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210 MODEL FOR ME. NOBODY GOT ANYTHING PAST THAT GUY! WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME.
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212 TO ALL ACTUAL CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS BBS - (LOOSE DEF. - SOMEONE WHO DOES
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213 SOMETHING BESIDES GROUSE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WHAT OTHERS ARE WRITING HERE
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214 IS WORTH, AND WHO PROBABLY HAS A HANDLE OF SOME KIND) : WE SEEM TO BE
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215 HEARING FROM OUR LURKERS THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. LURKERS, AS YOU KNOW, ARE
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216 THOSE ANNOYING PEOPLE WHO TIE UP THE LINE FOR HOURS ON END EVERY DAY NOW
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217 WITHOUT LEAVING ONE LINE TO INDICATE PARTICIPATION. SINCE WE HAVE NOW
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218 ATTRACTED WHAT MUST BE DESCRIBED AS AN AUDIENCE, I GUESS WE MUST NOW
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219 QUALIFY AS AN ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM. I NOTE THAT OUR NEILSON GROUP WANTS
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220 SOMETHING MORE ENTERTAINING THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. SOMEBODY
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221 MENTIONED THE A-TEAM. I GUESS THAT SAYS IT ALL.
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222 BEFORE COMPLYING WITH SOMETHING LIGHTER, I SSUGGEST THAT WE FORM A UNION.
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223 SOMETHING LIKE THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD MAYBE. AND SINCE WE HAVE NOW TO
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224 COMPLY WITH THE WISHES OF PEOPLE WHO APPARENTLY HAVE LITTLE CREATIVE
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225 DRIVE TO SPEAK OF THEMSELVES, I SUGGEST WE AT LEAST CAN RESPOND TO THIS BY
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226 SELLING COMMERCIALS. THIS WILL GIVE THE AUDIENCE SOMETHING FAMILIAR AND
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227 MUCH LESS IN DEPTH TO COPE WITH, WHILE COMPENSATING US FOR OUR TROUBLE.
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228 I WOULD LIKE TO CONDUCT A PREFEREENCE SURVEY BEFORE TURNING THIS INTO
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229 AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, SO AS TO INCREASE OUR CHANCES OF HITTING
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230 THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF OUR DETRACTORS
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231 DID NOT SEE FIT BE BECOME KNOWN, EVEN AS FAR AS ASSUMING A NOM-DE-PLUME.
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232 I SUPPOSE I SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE SOMEONE COMPLAIN ABOUT
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233 WHAT CAME, AFTER ALL, QUITE FREE. THAT THEY ARE NOT AWARE THAT THEY ARE
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234 FAR OUT OF LINE IN NOT CONTRIBUTING SOMETHING TOWARDS THEIR OVERHEAD IS
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235 NOT SURPRISING, EITHER. JUST THE USUAL DISSAPOINTMENT.
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236 SO WHAT'L IT BE ? - ACSII CHARLIE'S ANGELS? HYDROPLANE RACING VIA
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237 TELEPHONE? MUD-WRESTLING MUDRAKERS?
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238 LETS FIGURE IT OUT! IF THEY'LL TUNE IN HERE TO LISTEN TO US TALK ABOUT
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239 TAXES, EVEN GIVEN THEIR COMPLAINTS, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE
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240 COULD GET AWAY WITH COMMERCIALS. JUST THINK UP THE RIGHT TYPE OF DRIVEL
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241 FOR THEM AND WE'LL ALL GET RICH! THIS MAY BE IT! FAME! FORTUNE! A SHOT
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242 AT A COMPUTER EMMY! MIKEY - I GOT TWO MORE COMPUTERS, WE CAN EXPAND, SET UP
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243 MULTIPLE PHONE LINES! WE COULD CALL IT LCD-NET, OR MORON-MODEM!
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244 EQUIRER-NET?
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245 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE ENTRERPENEUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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246 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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247
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248 Mr Hrothgar,
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249
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250 There have been several, no many, good discussions on this bbs. To suppose
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251 that I dial it up for just you is a bit big headed.
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252
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253 To everyone else, thanks.
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254 George
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255 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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256
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257 Who's George? What good discussions?
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258 I'M AGREE WITH REAGEN'S DECISION ABOUT THE U.S.-GRENADA CONFLICT.HE DID IT TO SAVE AMERICAN LIVES-------Nancy Reagan
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259 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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260 Anon: I will keep you posted. Thanks for the intrest.
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261
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262 Hrothgar, the original ( i wish i could dig up the Readers Digest type
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263 place that it was in originally) figure was 10%. That is, 90% of our
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264 "brainpower" went untapped. This figure (and misconception) came from
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265 the '50's mind-mapping experiments. The researchers would give some unfort-
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266 unate a local and open a flap in their scull, and stimulate various regions
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267 of the brain (surface) with an electric probe. The guinea pig would respond
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268 with something like "oooh, yes.....i can see it clearly now...my high school
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269 graduation...there's aunt poly" etc.... or " i can taste strawberry-nut
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270 ice cream" or "i smell burning rubber".......Well, it seems that probing
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271 around on the brain surface the researchers could only find "active" areas
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272 (places that elicited responces) covering about 10% of the surface...The
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273 other 90% , when stimulated , did nothing. " nothing?!? "
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274 people asked?? "nothing observable" the researchers replied. Thus goes
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275 the 10% story.........D L 's version is a "Christian Science amplified
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276 for the Masses" version (and obviously rediculous (as redic as my spelling
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277 ??) )...probably the same roots.......
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278
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279 Aaron
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280 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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281
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282 Want to play D&D by modem? See my message on 80-plus,771-4413.
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283
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284 Avery Davis
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285
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286 ==========================================================
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287 can some one tell me what MCI & SPRINT services are?
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288 Richard
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289 ==========================================================
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290 much against your
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291 wishes and hopes
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292 not all complaints
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293 are from those lurk-
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294 ers...some of us are
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295 just ready to become
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296 unstagnated...you know
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297 ...then again I guess
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298 you don't do you...
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299 **********************
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300 **********************
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303
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304 TO THE LAST PERSON WHO USED THE "ENTER" MODE: I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND
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305 MY ERASING YOUR "OFF", "EXIT", AND 7 EMPTY LINES. IT SEEMED TO ME TO
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306 BE UNINTENDED WASTE, BUT IF YOU REALLY MEANT IT TO BE THERE, PLEASE ACCEPT
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307 MY APOLOGIES. IF YOU DIDN'T, AFTER YOU'RE THROUGH ENTERING, HIT "CONTROL
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308 C" TO GET OUT OF THE ENTER MODE. THIS IS AN UNCONDITIONAL "BREAK" ON
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309 MOST BBS'S, AND WILL ALLOW YOU TO EXIT WITH RELATIVE CLEANLINESS.
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310
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311 ANON: YES, I AM AWARE OF THE SOURCE OF YOUR REMARK (I HAD HOPED
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312 THAT IT WAS CLEAR BY MY ANSWER, BUT I MAY HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT VAGUE.)
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313 AS TO WHAT I THINK OF A GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD KEEP SUCH THINGS FROM ITS
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314 CITIZENS, I THINK THAT IT IS TYPICAL OF ALL GOVERNMENTS. GOVERNMENT
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315 UNCHECKED WILL RAPIDLY BECOME TOTOLITARIAN IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.
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316 OUR GOVERNMENT IS NO BETTER IN THIS THAN ANY OTHER, WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE
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317 SHOULD ATTEMPT TO BE AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE OUT OF SELF-DEFENSE.
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318
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319 AARON, WHERE IS ORYCON TO BE HELD? WHEN? ADMISSION? WHO IS THE
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320 GUEST SPEAKER(S)? AS TO YOUR LEAVING IN MID-THOUGHT (AGAIN), I HAVE
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321 GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO YOUR STYLE, AND I REALIZE THAT YOUR MOVE IN MANY
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322 DIRECTIONS AT ONCE. IF YOU DRIFT AWAY AGAIN, I WON'T BE OFFENDED (JUST
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323 MORTALLY WOUNDED!) BUT WILL DEPEND UPON YOU TO REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT
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324 OFF.
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325
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326 JODY, I KNOW LITTLE OF WIZARDS (MODERN OR PAST, EXCEPT WHAT I HAVE
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327 READ IN VARIOUS OCCULT PUBLICATIONS) AND HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT WAS MORE
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328 THAN AIR. BY WIZARDS, I ASSUME YOU REFER TO THE GANDALF VARIETY RATHER
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329 THAN THE THOMAS EDISON TYPE. COULD YOU TELL ME MORE?
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330
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331 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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332
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333 <><><<><><><><><><<<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<~<|<~
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335 Hmmmmmmmmm..... it looks like it dropped Aaron again ..............
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336 *********************************************************
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337 ANON: SSINCE NO ONE ELSE SEEMED TO ANSWER YOUR REQUEST, I SUGGEST YOU TRY
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338 CALLING CONFUSE-A-CAT LTD, MAYBE THEY CAN HELP.
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339 SO ANYWAY.....
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340 *********************************************************
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341 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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342
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343 I have nothing to say this time, I just did not want to be accused of
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344 being a 'lurker' that did not even leave a name. I'm still waiting for
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345 d's proof.
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346
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347 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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348
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349 ########################################DJJ
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350 AREN'T WE ALL!!!!!!!!!!!THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS FAST BECOMING FACT, THE MORE
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351 WE LEARN ABOUT IT THE MORE FACTUAL IT BECOMES. NOT SO WITH CREATIONISM, THE MORE
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352 WE LEARN ABOUT THAT THE MORE RIDICULOUS IT BECOMES. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT
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353 BUT IT IS TRUER TODAY THAN EVER "RELIGION IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES" AT LEAST
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354 I THINK THAT WAS THE QUOTE.
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355
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356 ################NON-LURKER##############################C.Y.M.##################
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357 ###############11/6/83 11:15AM##########
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358 Aaron: I am fighting my fingers -- to keep from attacking you for what you
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359 seem to like to say and be. I find your comment (275-277) ignorant and
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360 offensive. Should you be attempting humor, you failed miserably. Should
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361 you be drunk, more's the pity. Should you be making a religious comment,
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362 get your facts straight. Should you be seeking attention, try earning it.
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363 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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364 And, Dave, should you be attempting to say something, do so! Don't muck
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365 around, or fight your fingers. Speak up! Tell us why you think his facts
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366 aren't straight. We're waiting for your brilliant observations.
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367 ~~ Unsigned: Sorry, I don't recall addressing you... Have you a purpose? Or a name? ~~~~~ Dave ~~~~~
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368
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369
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370
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371
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372 C.Y.M:
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373 Karl Marx, I believe, said 'Religion is the opiate of the masses.' In this, he
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374 was right.
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375 Richard:
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376 MCI and Sprint are alternative long-distance telephone services. To use them, you dial a local number (called
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377 and access number) then enter your ID code, then the number you wish to dial. Savings are about 30% off of regular.
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378 Local access number for Sprint is 295-8300. To apply for Sprint, call this number, wait for the tone, then
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379 dial 111234 (I think) which should be the operator for Sprint. From there, play it by ear. Oh, forgot... You hafta have
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380 a tone-dial phone. I don't know about how to get MCI, but it can't be too hard, either.
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381
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382 Aaron:
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383 TRW has a lot of high-speed, signal processing, A/D, D/A, multiplier/accumulator type circuits. Maybe they can help with
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384 some literature.
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385
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386 All:
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387 It's a beautiful day out! Why are you wasting time calling BBS's? Come to think of it, why am I wasting time calling
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388 BBS's?
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389 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::::::
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390 HAS ANYONE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE GOD WAS THE MAKER OF EVOLUTION?
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391 JUST WONDERING.
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392 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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393 all: please EXCUSE MY POOR TRANSMITTI_N,
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394 I AM ACCOUSTIC.
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395 HAVE TO USE SHORT LINES SO
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396 WHEN SYS DRO@S
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397 ME OUT OF ENTER, I CAN
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398 RETURN TO A DECENT PLACE..
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399 D@VE: YOUR MESSAGE READ,
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400 REPLY IS QUEUED FOR DC
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401 MNDEM...pAM:
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402 VILL REPLY TO ORYCON
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403 AARON
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404 <<><><><><><>
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405 go ducks go go go go go go go go go
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406 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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407 WHO, INDEED, IS GEORGE? NO LURKER, HUH? MAYBE HE CHANGED HIS NAME RECENTLY.
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408
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409 THE OTHER ONE PROTESTING MY STATEMENTS ABOUT LURKERS APPARENTLY DIDN'T KNOW
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410 HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM. QUOD EST DEMONSTRANDUM.
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411
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412 NEVERTHELESS, I'M GONNA TRY TA BE FLEXIBLE. SOMEBODY TELL ME A MORE WORTHY
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413 TOPIC THAN THE ONE WE ARE DISCUSSING, AND I'LL GO ALONG. ONLY THING IS,
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414 PLEASE START THE DISCUSSION BY DISCUSSING THE TOPIC, NOT JUST BY POINTING
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415 OUT THAT THE TOPIC EXISTS.
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416
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417 SINCE THE DOM,d,AND DEB HAVE BEEN LAYING OFF FOR A WHILE ON THE RELIGION
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418 VS. SCIENCE DEBATE I WILL HAVE TO ALSO, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE TAKES UP THE
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419 GUANTLET.
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420
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421 HONESTLY THOUGH FOLKS, WANNA TALKABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? PAM? MIKEY? AARON?
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422 DAVE? ELDRITCH? ANON? D? DEB? DOM? DUCKS FAN?(NEVER MIND, DUCKS FAN)
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423 OTHER ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS OR WILL-BE PARTICIPANTS? ..........GEORGE????
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424 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE EASY GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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425 Mikey, does that mean i should explore alternative sources or are you still
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426 going to be working on the modem problem? - chuck
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427 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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428 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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429 I ACTUALLY KNOW NOTHING OF WIZARDS,THATS WHY I ASKED.I MET
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430 A PERSON WHO CLAIMS TO BE A WIZARD BUT NOT IN THE SENSE THAT
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431 WE THINK OF I THINK.I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE HE
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432 IS COMING FROM(IF ITS ANYWHERE CLOSE) AND IF ANTONE ELSE OUT-
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433 THERE THINKS THE SAME.
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434
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435 ---------------------------JODY---------------------------------
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436 P.S.I PERSONALLY THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SYSTEMS AROUND!!
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437 ************************************************************
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438 CHUCK: NO, JUST WANTED TO KEEP YOU INFORMED ON THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS
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439 AS THEY ARE. I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CHECK YET BEFORE I CAN
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440 GIVE YOU A FINAL QUOTE, BUT THE PRICE FOR THE CHIPS DOES APPEAR TO BE
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441 A BIT HIGHER THEN I WAS ORIGINALLY LEAD TO BELIEVE.
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442 ********************************** CISTOP MIKEY ******************:
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443 JODY: There are two accepted definitions of wizards, the clasical version,
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444 and the modern version. The modern version as PAM indicated is one who
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445 does wonderous things with current technology and create new technology.
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446 While the clasical version was more noted for the use of supernatural
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447 forces (usually thru the use of some device to focus the power or in the
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448 case of weaker wizards as the source of the power). In the true sense
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449 however, the clasical wizard used both technology and supernatural force
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450 to accomplish the tasks at hand using whatever was best to do the job.
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451 not that this differs from a witch or worlock (witch=female worlock=male)
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452 who only use supernatural forces. Although a wizard can be female, most
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453 are called witches. This can sometimes be a misnomer generally caused
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454 by the over advertising of witches causing people to think that all
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455 females who employ supernatural powers are witches. When speaking of
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456 wizards as female or male, they are called sorcerer(male) or sorceress
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457 (female). Again because of the confusion with the role model of witches
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458 a witch is sometimes called a sorceress, and visa versa. Another aspect
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459 which often shows up particularly with the more powerful wizards, is
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460 that they have a much longer life span then normal. normally measured
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461 in the hundreds or thousands of years. While a witch or worlock are
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462 seldom placed in this catagoy. As you can see, the differances are
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463 a bit muddled, but most do agree that there is a difference. At the
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464 other end, a worlock is often mistakenly identified as a wizard, again
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465 as a result of over advertising in regard to wizards being only male.
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466 Although popular stories like to place wizards as good guys and witches
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467 as bad gals, this is simply not the case. There are many good and bad
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468 witches and wizards, it is their actions which belie them not their
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469 titles. As to good and bad magic, (sometimes called white(good) or
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470 black(bad) magic that the wizards or witches perform, there is no
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471 clear cut form it is usually prescribed as a result of of the magic
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472 is used for that causes the label to be placed. As a result a 'good'
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473 wizard could use the same magic that a 'bad' wizard uses and it would
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474 be considered proper. Yet the same magic employed by the bad wizard
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475 is condemed as evil. It is the use that the magic is put that places
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476 the title. A bad wizard is labled as such because a majority of the
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477 magic performed is for 'Evil' purposes (depending on what is defined
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478 as evil of course) While a good wizard is labled as a result of using
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479 magic for good purposes (whatever that may be). One final note,
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480 although it is sometimes shown that wizards are flambout and public,
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481 this is not normally the case. Most powerful wizards prefer stelth and
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482 solitude as it makes the job much easier if the actions are not known.
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483 This keeps rival wizards from fouling up the works. Also a powerfull
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484 spell requires that the caster be known to properly counter it. This is
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485 not possible to hide if the spell is being cast in front of the world.
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486 ******** CISTOP MIKEY Grandmaster Wizard and part time programer ******
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487 **************************************************************************
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488 How many wizards can dance on the head of a pin?
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489 How many pinheads can dance on a wizard?
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490 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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491 the dc is back up! since these two modems have such distinct personalty,
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492 i will give them names...my Bell 103a will be "bella" and my flaky ???
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493 103-compatible pile-of-junk will be "trash-o"...
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494
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495 i'm on bella...
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496
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497 Pam: ORYCON data is comming...i will simply transcribe a flyer to
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498 the system....
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499
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500 Dave:
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501 what gives? if you think it, type it! exactly what is the problem?
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502 are YOU a "Christian Scientist"? Don't go to doctors, et al? Would
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503 you like me to rephrase " 'Christian Science' amplified for the
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504 masses " to " 'Christian' science-amplified-for-the-masses "?
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505 I won't, i MEANT "Christian Science" as in "Christian Scientist". I
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506 guess i just dont get where you are coming from. I certainly wasn't
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507 attacking d if thats what set you off. What is it?
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508
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509 more concisely (less?):
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510
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511 a) precisely what is it I " seem to like to say and be " ?
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512
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513 b) ignorance on who's part?
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514
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515 c) I was not plying my oft-feeble attempts at humor (one of the few
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516 times!) though the folly of such beliefs are, in themselves, humorus.
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517
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518 d) I believe most would agree on the relative accuracy of my facts.
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519
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520 e) I, Sir, am Never drunk. I do not partake of such "beverages".
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521 Aaron!
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522 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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523 Aaron: Stop fooling around for your own ego. If you didn't "get where [I]
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524 am coming from", it must have been because you didn't want to. I quote you:
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525 "D L 's version is a "Christian Science amplified for the masses" version
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526 (and obviously rediculous [sic]..." It is clear that, in addressing that to
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527 HROTHGAR (who asked d to identify her version of the Bible), you made false
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528 reference to a Christian Science version of the Bible. That religious group
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529 uses the King James standard version; other writings are used for teaching
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530 their doctrine as well. That is fact; it doesn't vary with who believes it
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531 or how great is the "relative accuracy" of your FACTS! Indeed.
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532 Now, what you are should be known best to yourself; what I perceive
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533 cannot be listed here, neither socially nor legally. Look at yourself
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534 sometime as an alternative to asking, no, demanding to perform for others.
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535 One need not drink alcohol to be intoxicated; if you deny such states, may
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536 we chalk your late-night bout with some drink (the "recipe" for which you
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537 shared) to youthful enthusiasm and wit? Save it for another audience.
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538 I was offended by your use of the word "ridiculous" before and of your
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539 present scoff about one's personal attitude toward medical practitioners,
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540 and the nearness of the word "folly". Some people yet dear to me are
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541 neither guilty of folly nor in need of modern medical "services".
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542 d can defend herself; I do not speak for anyone but myself.
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543 Nor do I lack the self-discipline to avoid mindlessly speaking what may
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544 occur to me silently. To revise a recent quote;" if YOU think it, YOU type
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545 it." Your other 'challenges' above will go unanswered.
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546 Further discussion of this topic, if necessary, can best take place on
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547 private media. Failing to sense requisite sincerity, I shall decline.
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548 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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549 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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550 the 10% story.........D L 's version is a "Christian Science amplified
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551 for the Masses" version (and obviously rediculous (as redic as my spellig
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552 ??) )...probably the same roots.......
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553
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554
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555 The text above was appended to my explanation of the "10% brainpower"
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556 story to explain why I was answering with "10%" when HROTHGAR requested
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557 information on the "billionth" story. It was purely to propose that
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558 D L 's "story" had the same roots as my "story", with slight enhancements
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559 to the magnitude of certain key figures. The "obviously ridiculus" came
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560 into play because of another patrons observation that such a figure
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561 would indicate that we are using the equiv. of 10 cells.
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562
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563 strange, HROTHGAR seems to have mysteriously vanished...yet Dave is
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564 quite alive and well.....hmmmmmmmmmm...
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565 Aaron
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566 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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567
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568 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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569
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570 NOW, NOW, BOYS. PLAY NICELY!
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571 MIKEY, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE "STATUS" MIGHT CHANGE FROM
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572 "ALL ALLOWED" AND WHAT IT PERTAINS TO? ALSO, OCCASIONALLY WHEN I CALL,
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573 THE FILE IS "UNSAFE". HOW IS IT UNSAFE, AND DOES THAT OCCUR FROM SOME-
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574 ONE ENTERING A MESSAGE AND NOT TYPING "OFF" (MAKING A CLEAN EXIT)? AND,
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575 I HAVE NOTICED THAT IF I TRY TO SET THE MARGINS TO 128, BW TELLS ME IT
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576 IS AN "ILLEGAL PARAMETER", THEN HAPPILY SETS IT TO 128. I KNOW THAT
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577 USERS THAT TYPE ALL THE WAY TO THE MARGIN AT 128 INTERFERE WITH THE "FI"
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578 AND "FA" COMMANDS. IS THAT WHY IT'S ILLEGAL? BUT THEN, WHY DOES IT GLADLY
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579 SET THE MARGIN TO 128? QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.....
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580
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581 SHADDUP, RIGHT?
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582 WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING ALL THIS NICE EMPTY SPACE ON DISK B?
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583 THIS IS ONLY LINE 583 OUT OF A POSSIBLE 629, SO THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM.
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584 DA ALREADY HAS 282 LINES ENTERED ON IT! C'MON, LET'S SEE SOME ACTION
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585 HERE! COMMENTS OF LASTING SIGNIFIGANCE, ESSAYS UPON THE STATE OF HUMAN-
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586 ITY, EDITORIALS FACING THE TRYING ISSUES OF THE DAY, OBSERVATIONS OF
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587 LASTING IMPORTANCE, EVEN SILLY REMARKS AND DUMB PUNS! I'M EASY TO PLEASE
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588 (NO SMART REMARKS!!), SO HOP TO IT AND SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF (FROGS
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589 AND SNAILS AND PUPPY-DOG TAILS PERHAPS?).
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590
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591 AARON, I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ELUCIDATION ABOUT ORYCON.
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592 TUM-DE-DUM..... <HO-HUM>..... BORING...
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593
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594 IF WE NEED A NEW SUBJECT, I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHY TELEVISION IS
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595 APPARENTLY INCAPABLE OF HAVING TRUE DRAMA. BY THIS, I MEAN CHARACTERS
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596 THAT CHANGE FROM EPISODE TO EPISODE AS THEY GROW, WHY IMPORTANT EVENTS
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597 (SUCH AS THE DEATH OF A FIANCEE) SEEM TO HAVE NO EFFECT BEYOND THAT
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598 PARTICULAR EPISODE (NEXT WEEK, IT MIGHT AS WELL NOT HAVE HAPPENED FROM
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599 THE ATTITUDE OF THE PROTAGONIST), ETC.. I HAVE FELT THAT THE IMPORTANCE
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600 OF SYNDICATION, WHERE A SERIES WILL BE RUN IN WHATEVER ORDER THE BUYER
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601 SEES FIT, PRECLUDE SUCH CONTINUITY, AND THE SIMPLE FACT THAT EACH SHOW
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602 IS WRITTEN BY A DIFFERENT WRITER WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHERE HE WANTS
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603 TO TAKE THE CHARACTERS. AND THAT WRITERS, WITH THEIR EGOS ON THE LINE,
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604 DON'T WANT TO USE INPUT FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THEIR SCRIPTS ABOUT ANYTHING.
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605 IT'S THEIR STORY, SO HANDS OFF! WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COMMENT (RAGE, RANT,
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606 SCREAM, EDITORIALIZE, ETC.) ABOUT TELEVISION AND IT'S EFFECTS UPON OUR
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607 LIVES?
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608
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609 A COMMENT BY HROTHGAR (I THINK, OL' BATGUANO, FORGIVE ME IF I'M
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610 WRONG) HAS CAUSED BE TO WONDER: HOW MANY OF OUR OLD CONTRIBUTERS ARE
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611 STILL USING THE SYSTEM? AKONIS, ELBERICH, PAUL, ARE YOU STILL OUT
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612 THERE? AND THOSE I HAVE FORGOTTEN TOO, DO YOU STILL READ THE SYSTEM?
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613 WHY DO YOU NO LONGER FAVOR US WITH YOUR PROSE, d? THE "DEATH" SUBJECT
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614 ON DISK A CAUSES ME TO LONG FOR TIMES WHEN THERE WERE MORE POETIC USERS
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615 AS WELL AS THE DEBATERS. I HAVE LONG BEEN AWARE OF MY OWN MORTALITY,
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616 SO I FIND DESCRIPTIONS OF UNUSUAL DEATHS TO BE TIRESOME AND SOMEWHAT
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617 JUVENILE (NO OFFENSE MEANT). IMPENDING DEATH IS ALL TOO CLOSE A SUBJECT
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618 FOR ME TO STILL FIND INTEREST IN IT. I'LL JUST AVOID FURTHER COMMENT
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619 ON IT UNTIL A NEW SUBJECT IS RAISED, OR SOMEONE CAN SHOW THAT, AS A
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620 SUBJECT, IT HAS MORE POSSIBILITY THAN IT HAS SHOWN.
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621
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622 I ASKED FOR SOMEONE TO USE THE REMAINING SPACE ON THIS DISK, AND
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623 NOW I FIND THAT I HAVE USED IT. GOSH, FOLKS, I GUESS I'M JUST DRONING
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624 ON ENDLESSLY TODAY, WITH LITTLE TO SAY. SINCE I'M NEARLY OUT OF SPACE
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625 (TO EVERYONE'S ENORMOUS GRATIFICATION), I HAD BETTER CLOSE. ON THE SUB-
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627 JECT OF LIFE (& DEATH), HAVE YOU ALL SEEN MONTY PYTHON'S MEANING OF LIFE?
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628
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629 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM-[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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