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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask......
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2 ******************* REMOVED: 27 OCT 83 ******************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 HROTHGAR: WHAT ABOUT THE THOUSANDS IN INDIA WHO WILL ALSO DIE BECAUSE
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26 OF THE EXCESSIVE OVERCROWDING AND VERY POOR LIVING CONDITIONS CAUSED
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27 BY THEIR RELIGOUS BELIEFS?
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28 AS FOR THE RAJ'S I EXPECT THE WHOLE THING TO DIE DOWN ONCE IT HAS FREACHED
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29 SATURATION. THIS HAPPENED WITH THE MOONIES AND MOST OTHERS IN THE PAST.
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30 SOME MANAGE TO RID US OF THEMSELVES (REMEMBER JOHNESTOWN?). OTHERS MELD
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31 INTO THE EBB AND FLOW OF SOCIETY. I SEE NO ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE QUACKERS,
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32 YET THEY HAVE SOME VERY EXTREME VIEWS WHEN COMPARED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
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33 VIEW. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY DON'T GO AROUND T RYING TO BEAT THEIR
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34 BELEIF INTO EVERYONE ELSE. FOR THIS I RESPECT THEM FAR MORE THEN SOME
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35 OF THE MORE 'RESPECTED' RELIGIONS.
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36 JUST SAW MONTY PYTHONS 'MEANING OF LIFE', I FIND IT A MUCH BETTER STATEMENT
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37 ON THESE THINGS THEN I COULD POSSIBLY MAKE. "EVERY SPERM IS SACRED"
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38 ************* MONTY II ***********************************************
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39 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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40
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41 " They came to a huge tent fashioned of dragonet. Inside
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42 the net was the Dragon Lady---a scintillatingly regal Queen
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43 of her species. She reclined, half supine, in her huge nest
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44 of glittering diamonds; whenever she twitched, the precious
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45 stones turned up new facets, like the eyes of the Lord of
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46 the Flies, reflecting spots of light dazzlingly. She switched
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47 her barbed, blue tail about restlessly, growling, and arched
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48 her bright red neck. It was really quite impressive. She had
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49 been reading a book of Monster Comics, and seemed not too
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50 pleased to be interrupted. "
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51 Aaron
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52 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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53 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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55 Pam: I believe you have presented a valid point in your PTRH (Pam's
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56 Theory of Relativity of Happiness). It raises the question (although I'm
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57 not sure if that was your intention), "Is a redistribution of 'happiness'
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58 really necessary for the Improvement of the human condition?" Viscerally,
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59 my answer is "yes", but logically, I must reconcider.
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60 In my younger (high-school & early college) days, I did considerable
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61 research on a number of religions and philosophies, ranging from that of
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62 the classical Greeks to Scientology. I recall that Taoism was one of these
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63 but due to the breadth of my studies, I'm afraid the depth was somewhat
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64 limited, so I cannot say that I am familiar with any, with the exception
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65 of Christianity. I seem to recall though that it is somewhat of a
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66 Buddhafied Confucianism. Since Zen Buddhism is one of the two most pre-
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67 valent religions in Japan and Confucianism has also played a significant
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68 part in its historical development (Japan's, that is), I wouldn't be
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69 surprised if the Japanese lifestyle does resemble those of the Taoist
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70 persuasion.
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71 Thanks for your support of my statement regarding criticism of
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72 homeland. I think this is a manifestaton of pride which extends not only
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73 to nationalism but also to religious closed-mindedness, racism and etc.
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74 Or perhaps it is false-pride based on insecurity which causes one to deny
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75 the existence of other ways of life. Only by doing so can he regard his
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76 own as the best way.
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77
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78 In Sane Scientist: I am curious in what way you find the Japanese way
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79 of life "regemented". Please elaborate.
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80 Also, Is there some significance to the space between "In" and "Sane"?
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81
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82 BAD: Although my opinions are based in part on published crime statistics,
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83 they are also based on observation. I wonder if you have made any such ob-
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84 servations from which to formulate your viewpoint or if you simply believe
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85 what you are told to believe. I don't doubt that there are countries in
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86 which the police/press corruption/ineffectiveness is greater than that
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87 of the US, but I have no reason to believe that this applies to the world
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88 in general. I recognize that my observations are limited to a particular
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89 country, and do not necessarily apply to all others, but they do seem to
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90 indicate a vast difference in crime rates between that country and the
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91 US, and suggest the possibility of at least a significant difference between
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92 that of other countries and the US.
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93 Anyway, here are a few of those observations.
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94 Repeatedly, I have met Japanese persons (women included) who exhibit
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95 not the slightest of fears about walking alone at night in Portland,
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96 Seattle, SF or whatever. In Tokyo, or any Japanese city, there is extremely
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97 little danger in doing so, and although most Japanese have heard that
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98 the same is not true of American cities, it is difficult for them to con-
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99 ceptualize the extent of this difference until they see two or three local
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100 news broadcasts or are themselves victimized.
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101 The streets of many areas of Tokyo are lined with vending machines,
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102 and many other areas at least have them at the street corners. Why is
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103 this not the case in New York or LA? The reason is obvious; they would be
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104 vandalized on a daily basis making it rather unprofitable for the owners.
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105 Mass transit is the major mode of transportation in Japan, but for
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106 short-distance transportation to and from train/subway stations, bicycles
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107 are popular. The result is hundreds of bicycles parked at the station.
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108 It amazed me to find that none of them were locked. Would you ever con-
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109 sider leaving an unlocked bicycle in downtown Portland?
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110 The same is true of houses; very few lock them at night. In fact,
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111 some don't even have locks. Businesses usually are locked after hours,
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112 but often, the locks are sufficient only to prevent someone from inad-
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113 vertantly walking in after closing time, and are by no means burglar-proof.
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114 Additionally many businesses have no burglar alarms whatsoever. There
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115 is no need.
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116 As for the effectiveness of the police, I have never seen them in
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117 action therfore I cannot attest to it. The general populace seems to
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118 have a rather high opinion of them, but I suspect they may be a little
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119 rusty due to the Maytag Repairman Syndrome (lack of on-the-job experience).
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120 Your comment/question regarding divorce is not quite legible; please
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121 repeat.
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122 I surmise from your "MA 7" comment, that accidental it was not.
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123 I, therefore, retract previous apology. As I said before, it is not
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124 necessary for everyone to reset their own margins; I can use anything
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125 greater than 75, which I suspect is true of any 40 or 80 columners. So
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126 the only time I have to reset margins, is after you set them at 7. It is
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127 not too difficult to reset them; but it is an unnecessary inconvenience.
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128 Also there are a number of new users who have enough trouble figuring out
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129 how to enter a message. Why make it more difficult for them? What sat-
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130 isfaction do you derive from annoying others?
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131
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132 Deborah: You are correct in discriminating between Christians and
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133 Pseudo-christians. Of the large number of "Christians" I have known,
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134 however, none of them have fit into the former category. I thought it
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135 extinct. So when I speak of "Christians" I am actually referring to
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136 Pseudo-christians. Real christians, should they still exist, probably
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137 would not pose such a threat to society; but I still feel that they
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138 could contribute more if they were to incorporate reality into their
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139 beliefs.
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140
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141 Aaron, Alex, '.....', Leonard, Hrothgar, Monty II: Response coming later.
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142 Right now I must continue my pursuit of that elusive substance known as
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143 "sleep".
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144
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145 Dirty Ol' Ol' Ol' Man 3:43am
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147 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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148 WELL NOW!
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149 THINGS DO LOOK DIFFERENT IN THE MORNING, DON'T THEY!
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150
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151 DOM: I RAN INTO LINE 629 LAST NIGHT AND DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS AT CON-
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152 DENSING MY MESSAGE I THINK I WAS UNCLEAR. WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THIS. I
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153 REALIZE THAT RELIGION IS AN ENDURING EVIL IN THIS WORLD IN MOST OF IT'S
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154 FORMS. 200 FRENCH AND AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIED THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE OF THE
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155 RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF SOME ISLAMICS. A THOUSAND MUSLIM REFUGEES FROM JEWISH
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156 PERSECUTION WERE MURDERED AT SABRA AND SHATILA BY CHRISTIANS BECAUSE OF
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157 THEIR BELIEFS.
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158 HOWEVER, THIS MADNESS USUALLY MANIFESTS ITSELF WITHIN A FRAMEWORK OF
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159 TRIBALISM AND/OR NATIONALISM, AS WELL AS OTHER STRUCTURES. WE AS HUMAN
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160 BEINGS SEEM TO NATURALLY FIT OURSELVES INTO OVERLAPPING GROUPS THAT ARE
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161 EACH ORGANIZED INTO HIERARCHIES WITH ONE OR A FEW PEOPLE AT THE TOP. EACH
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162 OF THESE HIERARCHIES WILL REQUIRE IT'S MEMBERS TO SUBSCRIBE TO SOME PAR-
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163 TICULAR SET OF BELIEFS AND GOALS. SOMETIMES THESE GOALS AND BELIEFS ARE
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164 QUITE INSANE, AND THE METHODS TAKEN TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS INNOCUOUS. SOME-
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165 AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE THE QUAKERS. SOMETIMES THE GOALS ARE LAUDABLE
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166 (LOWER TAXES, MORE FREEDOM, MORE PROFITS FOR ROCKEFELLER AND ARMAND HAMMER)
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167 AND THE METHODS TURN OUT TO BE INSANE(APPOINTING ANN BURFORD).
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168 THESE HIERARCHIES EACH BRINGS WITH IT IT'S OWN SET OF PROBLEMS. EACH
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169 PERSON USUALLY BELONGS TO DOZENS OF THE GROUPS, EVEN WITHOUT BEING AWARE
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170 OF IT.
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171 THESE GROUPS REPRESENT POWER. WHEN ONE OF THEM IS DEFEATED, ANOTHER WILL
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172 FILL THE POWER VACUUM. SO THE DEFEAT OF ONE OF THESE, EVEN WHEN FAIRLY
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173 NASTY, SUCH AS ONE OF THE PROSELITIZING RELIGIONS LIKE MANY CHRISTIAN SECTS.
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174 WILL ONLY LEAD TO THE EMERGENCE OF ANOTHER. I BELIEVE THAT ORGANIZING
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175 OURSELVES IN THIS WAY IS AN INESCAPABLE FACET OF HUMAN NATURE.
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176 NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE JOINERS OR TRUE BELIEVERS TO AN EXTREME EXTENT. BUT
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177 I BELIEVE ALL BUT A FEW LONE HERMITS SHARE IN THESE CHARACTERISTICS.
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178 AND HIGHER INTELLIGENCE IS SOME PROTECTION AGAINST THESE BELIEFS, BUT
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179 EXAMPLES OF BRILLIANCE ARE EASY TO FIND AMONG RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AS WELL
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180 AS ATHEISTS. NOTE THAT THE POPE SPEAKS OVER A DOZEN LANGUAGES. SO JUST
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181 RAISING I.Q., E.G. BY GENETIC ENGINEERING, WILL NOT BE SUFFICIENT, UNLES THE
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182 RESULTS GO FAR BEYOND INTELLIGENCE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.
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183 SO WHAT CAN ONE DO?
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184
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185 SEVERAL APPROACHES LEND THEMSELVES. FIRST WE SEE THAT THE MOST DAMAGE
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186 OCURRS WHEN SEVERAL GROUPS ALIGN TO SUPPRESS A HEALTHY DIVERSITY (DIVISON
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187 OF POWER). AN EXAMPLE OF THIS COULD BE THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OF SO-CALLED
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188 CONSERVATIVES. THIS ALLIANCE HAS GROUPS IN IT INTERESTED IN RADICAL
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189 CHRISTIANITY, SEXUAL SUPPRESSION, A MILITARY FOREIGN POLICY, AND THE
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190 PROMOTION OF RACISM AS WELL AS THE SMALL BUSINESS ENTREPRENURIAL ETHIC.
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191 THIS GROUP WAS COHERENT ENOUGH FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT IS NOW LOSING POWER.
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192 WHY? NOBODY DEFEATED ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL GROUPS HOLDS ON THEIR MEMBERS.
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193 BUT WEDGES HAVE BEEN DRIVEN BETWEEN THE GROUPS. FOR INSTANCE, NICPAC,
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194 THE NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, WAS DEALT A BLOW
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195 WHEN GAY ACTIVISTS REVEALED THAT NICPACS LEADERS WERE HOMOSEXUAL. THIS
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196 MOVE WAS CRUEL ON A PERSONAL LEVEL NO DOUBT, BUT IT SERVED TO EXPOSE THE
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197 LEADERS AS HIPOCRITS. AND DROVE A WEDGE BETWEEN NICPAC AND THE RADICAL
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198 CHURCH LEADERS. RONALD REAGAN HAS BEEN FORCED TO SIGN THE KING HOLIDAY
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199 BILL, AND IN SO DOING HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE EXTREME RACISTS IN THE
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200 CONSERVATIVE CAMP.
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201 IT IS THESE SMALL BLOWS THAT MAY DIVIDE A TOO-POWERFUL COALITION. THESE
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202 SAME SMALL BLOWS FRAGMENTED THE LEFT IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES. REVAL-
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203 ATIONS ABOUT THE MAFIA CONNECTIONS OF LABOR ORGNIZATIONS. THE WILLINGNESS
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204 OF DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS TO GET INTO MAJOR WARS. THE ECONOMIC POLICIES
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205 OF PRO-LABOR,PRO BIG BUSINESS THAT DROVE SMALL BUSINESMEN LIKE MYSELF
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206 INTO THE HANDS OF THE WRETCHES ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE (ONLY TO BE
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207 BETRAYED BY REAGONOMICS).
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208 SO WHEN AN EVIL COALITION ARISES, ONE MAY DRIVE THOSE LITTLE WEDGES.
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209
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210 THERE ARE OTHER POLITICAL METHODS. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE PERHAPS TOO FAR
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211 REMOVED FOR ME FROM THE LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE REALLY NEED HELP. I MENTIONED
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212 THE 100,000,000 EXPECTED TO DIE IN AFRICA DURING THE NEXT TWO YEARS
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213 BECAUSE OF THE WORLD WIDE RECESSION. THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE. IF YOU OR I
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214 COULD SAVE JUST ONE LIFE, OR KEEP ONE CHILD FROM BECOMING MENTALLY
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215 RETARDED FROM LACK OF PROTEIN, WOULDN'T THAT BE MORE SATISFYING THAN
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216 GIVING TALKS FOR THE AMERICAN ATHEISTS. ALL THOSE TALKS DO IS CONVINCE
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217 THE AUDIENCE THAT ATHEISTS ARE BORING. I'VE HEARD THEM. SOMEONE
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218 MENTIONED INDIA. THERE ARE MASSIVE PROBLEMS THERE AS WELL (SAYING THAT
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219 THEY ARE ALL CAUSED BY RELIGION IS A GROSS OVERSIMPLIFICATION!)
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220
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221 I'M TALKING ABOUT DEALING WITH THE EFFECTS HERE MORE THAN FIGHTING THE
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222 CAUSES.
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223
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224 THE FIRST THING YOU WILL NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE WILL BE AN ORGANIZATION,
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225 OF COURSE! AT LEAST SO IT SEEMS. EVEN IF YOU WANT TO GET PERSONALLY INVOLVED
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226
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227 MORE LATER.(GROANS..........)
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228 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE RENEWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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229 P.S. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TAO WITH BUDDHISM. THEY ARE DEFINITELY TWO SEPARATE
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230 THINGS. MANY BRANCHES OF BUDDHISM QUALIFY AS TRUE RELIGIONS, WHEREAS
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231 TAOISM IS A PRACTICE IN DAILY LIFE OF A PHILOSOPHY. I AM A TAOIST AS WELL
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232 AS AN ATHIEST. SEE "THE TAO OF PHYSICS" BY FRITJOF CAPRA.
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233 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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234 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 1318 24-OCT-1983 [][][][][]
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235
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236 I may have misunderstood something, but are we not somewhat responsible for the
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237 problems in Africa already ? By indiscriminately decreasing the infant mortality
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238 rate with modern medicine and teaching, we have opened the door to child and
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239 teenager starvation. I don't have the answer, but where do we stop the cycle.
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240
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241 The death of over 200 marines in Lebanon leaves me very sad. As a conservative,
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242 I feel that Reagan's economic policies are OK. His foreign policies make me glad
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243 I did not vote for him. I am truly sorry that I in some small way was responsible
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244 for the deaths through my inaction or lack of proper understanding.
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245
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246 CYM: Re airwaves. At last we agree on something.
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248 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] djj [][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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250 <<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>>
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251
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252 someone talk to me! maybe this flashy border will help............
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253
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254
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255 well, Dragon Lady, is there any chance that I have stumbled
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256 across the source of magic? Or just lucky coincidence???????
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257
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258 Aaron
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259 <<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>>
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260 djj: ACTUALLY, THERE'S DAMN LITTLE MEDICINE AND TEACHING IN MOST PARTS OF
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261 AFRICA. IN ANY CASE, LETTING THEM DIE AS TOTS SO THEY WOULDN'T DIE LATER
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262 IS THE DING-AN-SICH OF DRACONIAN MEASURES.
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263 BUT SPEAKING OF REACTIONS, HOW COME YOU SEEM SO HEARTLESS WHEN DISCUSS-
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264 ING THE FATE OF MILLIONS OF BLACKS (SHOUILDN'T HAVE SAVED THEM IN THE FIRST
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265 PLACE) AND SO SAD WHEN TALKING ABOUT EUROPEAN DEAD? SOLDIERS AT THAT?
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266
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267 Aaron: WAS THAT BORDER A CARTIER?
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268 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE THERAPUTIC FAILURE!!!!!!!!
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269
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270 EXIT
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273 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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274 I think the Marines should flood the enemy areas with sleeping gas and captre
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275 all of the remaining enemies. That way they wouldn't be violating (at least
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276 violently) their peace keeping mission and peace *would* come about. Of course,
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277 the Soviets would complain about it, the enemies would complain about it,
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278 and everyone who likes Marines to get killed or the U.S. to get killed would
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279 complain about it, but wouldn't it show at least some people that the U.S.
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280 meant business? Maybe it'd show me to keep my big mouth shut before some of
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281 you out there close it for me...
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282 - - - - - - - - Mad Quark - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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284 I like the idea of taking what you want...
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285 I'm big...really though you miss the
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286 point of the whole thing i was trying to
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287 point out...If the money is responsible for the disease,pest.,famines,etc..
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288 then those with the money are the ones responsible...not me
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289 so why not concern myself with my own little
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290 world and how I can create in it what I want and not
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291 worry about anyone else...Christianity...drugs...
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292 Is it not everyones right to the pursuit of happiness?
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293 At least until you start infringing on others?
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294 Damn right!! How can we condemn anything that makes
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295 a person happy as long as he keeps it to himself?
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296 It is when it starts running over into my life
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297 that I find it repulsive...like I can see that crap on Cable...
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298 ie. Oral Roberts:Jimmy Swaggert etc. I think Jerry Falwell summed it up
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299 real good:
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300 "send me your $200 gift and I'll send you these four books"
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301 ========================== a pathy =======================
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303 ..........................................
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304 Anon, I call you a parasite because you use the benfits of society
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305 and claim no payment is needed. This is theft.
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306 Don't accuse religion for the wars in the Middle East. All factions there
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307 have good claim to the land they are fighting for, as their ancestors were
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308 thrown off it by force of arms. Unfortunately they also got it that way.
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309 Among the many differences between the factions are their religions, or
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310 their sects; these become handy handles to call them by. The religions all
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311 preach peace and brotherhood, but the society teaches grab what you can,
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312 and pay no heed to the cost to others. Note well that the guns come from
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313 outside: the US, Russia, France, etc sell to all comers. If you nuke all
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314 the arms suppliers the world would be a lot more peaceful, but very quiet
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315 because there would be no people here, or anything else living.
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316 DOM, I can't speak for Japan, I've never been there. But I can speak for
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317 Korea, where they will steal you blind and then take your shirt when you
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318 are not looking, or of Mexico where even the Federales are after you,
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319 since a rich US touristas are good targets. On the other hand, there
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320 is little crime in the traditional areas of Saudia Arabia. I don't want
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321 to live there, though. In old Arabia crime doesn't pay. It is a small,
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322 closed world where it is hard to get away with something, and hard to sell
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323 what you stole, there is little to steal. In such a fixed society you
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324 cannot rise above your birth. Punishment when caught is severe and swift:
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325 cut off the hand for theft, caught twice you starve as no one will feed
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326 someone without hands. There is strong public acceptance of the system, and
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327 the criminal is absolutely rejected. Both their religion and there society
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328 stress honesty highly. All this is changing as the outside world enters
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329 and breaks down there culture.
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330 Aaron: what did you do to put a line at the middle of a clear screen?
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331 Fortunately I missed what ever it was. I get tabs, but not form feeds.
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332 Stay away from escape sequences, please.
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333 Dom, again, you asked for a repeat on the comment about divorce. It is
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334 available in the USA. Although you seem to beleive it evil, I see it as
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335 only admitting the failure of two people to live together, and finding
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336 a better life separately. Parting is grief, but living together and hating
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337 it is worse. It si often not possible elsewhere.
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338 As to the excising of drones, etc: the world's population can not keep
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339 increasing forever. Do we want to kill a few million now, or wait until
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340 billions die in the next big crash? Not a pretty choice, but ignoring it
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341 is choosing the latter.
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342 ///////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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343 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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344
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345 no escape sequences, BAD, just mirrors (or LF's, since I can guess that
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346 whoever gets the tabs is probably working on a 25 line machine....quite
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347 harmless.......if anyone had the real dedication to, they could make
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348 my equipment here light up like a christmas tree....all '232 controlled)
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349
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350 if tabs are OK, I will continue using them. But how about LF's??
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351 TEST 1 (what does your machine do?) a "Form Feed"
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352
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353 end test 1
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354 TEST 2 (30 line feeds)
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355
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356 end test 2
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357 the effect of the FF will vary with the PX setting...so I would guess
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358 that it isn't teribly reliable....yet LF's may be a good way to conserve
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359 space on the system.....you can put up to 127 LF's on a single line....
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360
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361 any opinions/comments????
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362 Aaron
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363 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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364 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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365
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366 Ok, where was I.........
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367
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368 Aaron: When you were incapacitated with modemitis, I related my views
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369 regarding the relationship between the doctrines of Christianity (which also
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370 applies to the majority of organized religions I have studied) and morality.
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371 Since your last message (on last disk, that is) addresses that subject, I
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372 will recapitulate.
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373 It has been my experience that most Christians I have known, parti-
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374 cularly the emphatic and vocal ones, have reported having been "living in
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375 sin" prior to their conversion. The details of these reports include
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376 everything from shoplifting and peeping to rape and murder. I have main-
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377 tained that the reason for this pattern is that a weakness of character
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378 that prevented them from developing a sense of morality from within, allows
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379 them to accept out of desperation the guidance they lack from any author-
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380 itative body willing to give it. If they should choose a psychologist,
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381 psychiatrist, psychoanalist, etc., they may well benefit to the extent
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382 of developing morals and resuming normal life. Unfortunately, christians
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383 are much more abundant and availing than the above professionals. So
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384 they are likely to find guidance in
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385 Christian doctrine (or whatever religion they happen to stumble
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386 into first). Therefore, that doctrine does not provide morality, it re-
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387 places it. Admittedly, these doctrines often parallel many of the con-
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388 cepts of morality shared by the society affected. (Example: Christian
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389 doctrine and American society) So it would seem that whether the guidance
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390 is from moral or religious origin is of little consequence. For some re-
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391 ligions this may be true, but Christianity (as it exists today)
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392 comes complete with the following
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393 general disclaimer:
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394 This religion offers no warranty whatsoever, either impicit or explicit,
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395 that its "sheep" are free from "sin", because the forgiving nature
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396 of its deity precludes the necessity of such discipline.
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397 This little added attraction for the confused and bemuddled, accounts for
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398 the prevalance of hypocrisy among Christians.
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399 So, my proposal is that organized atheism may well provide a logical
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400 alternative for those who are in need of guidance. It would be the func-
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401 tion of this organization to provide only enough guidance that they might
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402 realize morality comes not from books (bible, book of mormon, etc.), but
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403 from within; and that reality must be discerned by the individual, not by
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404 religious dogma.
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405 Lest anyone be terribly offended, I would like to make clear that
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406 I have no personal animousity toward Christians. I have not only friends,
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407 but also relative that fit into that category. The above mentioned weak-
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408 ness is not the fault of the individual, but results from the pressures
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409 of society, which may be alleviated only by increased moral conciousness.
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410 A victim of society is no more to blame for his weakness than a victim
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411 of influenza for puking.
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412
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413 Alex: I will be interested in the results of your inquiry.
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414
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415 '.....': I must confess a certain distaste for the Iranians I have
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416 encountered thusfar, but the attitude that has aroused such distaste is
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417 the one you have just expressed.
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418
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419 Leonard: Do you recall that in your childhood (I hope you appreciate my
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420 passing up of a wonderful opportunity for a nasty interjection), that you
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421 believed there was a space between the Earth and sky, and colored your
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422 Crayola landscapes accordingly. This seemed to be a natural consequence
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423 of the sky being up and the Earth being down. Do you still believe that?
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424 Hopefully not, because someone cared enough about your generation and
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425 those to follow, to stand in front of a class, day after day, with minimal
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426 compensation and teach you the concepts of reality. Do you resent that
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427 person for interfering with your beliefs? I have not suggested extermin-
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428 ation, internment or forced deprogramming; only education for those who
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429 seek it. How, may I ask, is that a detriment to society?
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430
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431 Hrothgar: Thank you for your response. I agree that the efforts of an
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432 individual would be futile in such a large endeavor; this is why I thought
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433 that organization might be beneficial. I too regret that there are those
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434 who find survival difficult to impossible, but what saddens me more is
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435 that by treating the symptoms we are only alleviating the pain while we
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436 are able to maintain treatment; but if we kill the virus, we have cured the
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437 disease. I will have to rely on your expertise regarding political wedges,
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438 as my political inclinations are severely lacking.
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439
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440 Monty II: I forgot what you said (and I think it has been archived)
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441 but whatever it was I liked it.
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442
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443 DJJ: I am in total agreement with your assessment of the "endless cycle"
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444 dilema.
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445
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446 BAD: (again)
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447 With regard to Mexico, I couldn't agree with you more, and with
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448 regard to Korea and Saudi Arabia, I know not, so I will take your word
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449 for it. But anyway, my point was that for you to say that the US is the
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450 best country is as much a fallacy as if I said it was the worst. Since
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451 neither of us are familiar with all countries and since there is no uni-
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452 versal set of values, all we can say for sure is that with respect to
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453 your values, the US is better than Korea, Mexico and Saudi Arabia; and
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454 with respect to mine Japan is better than US, Canada and Mexico.
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455 I consider it immoral (which I guess is the same thing as evil) to
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456 make commitments without the intention of upholding them. Why do you equate
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457 marriage and living together; the latter requires no commitments. If all
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458 that a person requires from a relationship is cohabitation, then why not
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459 simply cohabitate. I see no reason to utter the vows "for better or for
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460 worse, 'til death do us part" if what you really mean is "'til I get bored
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461 or find a better bed partner" unless someone is trying to deceive themselves
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462 or somebody else. Hypocrisy manifests itself not only in the church, but
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463 in the society which it devised.
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464
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465 d: Are you perchance the same person as Deborah?
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466
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467 Dirty Ol' Man
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468
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469 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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470
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471 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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472
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473 Thanks for the re-iteration, DOM, (can I call you "Dirty" ?); modemitis
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474 having been eradicated from my system (I plug the '232 connector in my
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475 belly-button and whistle the proper tones into the telephone), I should be
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476 able to keep on top of things before they get immortalized in Mike's Magical
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477 Mystery Disks.....I would assume that he suitibly filters his data before
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478 translating it to 8" format, and wonder if it would be possible to get a
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479 copy of the contents of the current archive if I supplied the necessary
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480 media. (yes, Mike?)
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481
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482 Perchance organized atheism is also precisely what I suggested; maybe
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483 some smart aethistic type realized that morals really DO come from divine
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484 sources, yet realized that some wouldn't believe this, so he set up organ-
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485 ized atheism to convinces those people that the morals existed WITHIN them,
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486 thus achieving the same effect.
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487
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488 why am I so mentally splattered tonight? must have been the combination
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489 the late hour and the 2 oz. of refined sugar I just consumed....Anyone
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490 out there have any data correlating blood-sugar levels with telecomunication
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491 incompitence???
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492
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493 **************** ALL BACKWATER USERS ******************
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494
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495 I DESPARATLY NEED SOME SMART PEOPLE TO TALK WITH IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS...
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496
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497
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498 1. 10k/100k ECL system design....
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499 2. wide-word bit-slice implementations......
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500 3. Accoustic signal processing
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501 4. Computer/person music synthesis....
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502 5. Multi-dimensional FFT and digital convolution.....
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503
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504 I am not without means in these areas, and I am not trying to leave
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505 the impression that I am looking for a techno-baby sitter..just someone
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506 who Knows Of Which They Speak, and wouldn't mind chatting with someone
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507 who (with any luck, will soon) Know Somewhat Of Which They Speak..
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508
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509 i think my blood glucose level is stabilizing....(but not my spelling..)
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510
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511 Yes..Ahem...Much better....Oh yes, my request..
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512
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513 Specificly, I am formulating the tools necessary to begin construction
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514 on my dream-project: The general-purpose, handy-dandy, chrome-plated
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515 audio signal processing peripheral. You name it, it does it. Quickly.
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516
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517 I hope to come up with at least ONE thing innovative in my project;
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518 and I have already succeeded (maybe..). I seem to have run across a
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519 way to eliminate Gibbs phenomena with sufficent processing power. Really.
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520 No windows. Just lots of whetstones.
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521
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522 Please leave any leads or contact data right here, on this very system.
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523 I figure that my chances on the BW are higher than on the other systems;
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524 mainly beacause i'm flying on some iced tea i conentrated by an order
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525 of magnitude (you know that pre-sugare/lemoned Lipton stuff..num-num),
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526 and will undoubtedly get around to posting my request on CBBS, yet until
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527 my metabolism stabilizes (and my spelling) BW will do.
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528
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529 recipe:
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530 Aaron's pancreatic panacea
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531
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532 ingredients:
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533 1 well-rounded tablespoon pre-sweetened Lipton's
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534 1 cup microwaved water (just below steaming)
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535
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536 instructions:
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537 mix well. sip expresso-style. vomit judiciously.
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538
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539 Aaron
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540 <><><><><><><><><><>and to all a good night..<><><><><><><><><><><><>0427<>
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541 Sugar?!! Who are you kidding, Aaron?
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542
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543 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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544 Atheists: Why do you choose to deny the existence of a God? Why is an
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545 organization of atheists any less oppressive than an organization of
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546 ,say, pantheistic deists?
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547 Why not endorse part of the agnostic approach--do not deny the existence of
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548 a God, but merely accept that knowing the Deity may be manifested in many
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549 different ways? Couldn't that be more peaceful, polite, and humane?
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550 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave the Humbug ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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551 Aaron:
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552 First, you start on the common stuff: sucrose. Then, you graduate to the
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553 heavy stuff: Glucose, fructose, levulose, lactose, mannose, and all the other illicit sugars. I know. I was a sugar
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554 addict too. Then I got religion! Saw a movie called "Sucrose Madness," where some poor schmuck kills his girlfriend
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555 after she runs off with his bag of C+H. Finally, he's cured.
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556
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557 BAD:
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558 I never even brought up the subject of the Middle East. I try to stay away from there (and so far, I have succeeded).
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559 Try to label your responses so we know to whom you are responding......
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560 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::::
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561 Why are we in Lebanon anyway ?????
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562
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563 --------
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564 think about HBO suing everyone with pirate antennas??? Do the
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565 pirateers have the right to do what they are doing???
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566
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567 speak up people....it might be channel 2,6,8,10,12,22, or 49
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568 that are next!!
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569 ----------
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570 }~
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571 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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572 WOW!!! I FINALLY GOT ON! EITHER WE HAVE PICKED UP A NUMBER OF WATCHERS
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573 RECENTLY, OR THE SYSTEM IS SITTING THERE USING ITSELF. I EVEN TRIED AT
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574 3:30 AM, AND IT WAS BUSY. MIKEY, YOU ARE GETTING VERY POPULAR.
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575
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576 BAD & ANON, THE SUBJECT OF THE RULES OF ARGUMENT, REASON, AND LOGIC IS A
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577 DEAD DOG I'VE BEATEN ALL TOO OFTEN, SO I HESITATE TO SET FOOT UPON THAT
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578 ROAD AGAIN. BUT ANON'S PLEA SHOULDN'T GO UNANSWERED, AND IF EVERYONE CAN
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579 KEEP THEIR STOMACHS QUIET, I CAN PONTIFICATE ONCE MORE.
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580
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581 "I can only judge by your statements, which are those of a self-centered
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582 parasite." BAD, IF YOU CAN ONLY JUDGE BY HIS (I ASSUME "HIS") STATEMENTS,
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583 THEN IT IS ONLY HIS STATEMENTS YOU CAN JUDGE. ANYTHING ELSE IS AD HOMINEM.
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584 I'M NOT COMMENTING ON YOUR OR ANON'S STATEMENTS, MERELY UPON YOUR RHETORIC.
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585 ALSO, THOUGH I AGREE THAT SUCH ABUSIVENESS IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE, I MUST
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586 ALSO SAY THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF SIMILAR TACTICS, ANON. ANY ALL-
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587 INCLUSIVE STATEMENTS USED AS AN ATTACK ("YOU LIBERALS", "YOUR KIND OF
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588 PEOPLE", ETC.) MUST ALSO QUALIFY. JUST REMEMBER: ATTACK THE STATEMENTS OF
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589 THOSE WITH WHOM YOU DISAGREE, BUT NOT THE INDIVIDUAL.
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590
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591 AARON, YES THAT'S THE FLICK! THOUGH YOUR TONE SHOWS SOME DEGREE OF
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592 SARCASM, I FEEL THE MOVIE SHOWED DARING ON THE PART OF ALL INVOLVED IN ITS
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593 ATTEMPT TO SHOW EASTERN THOUGHT AND PHILOSOPHY IN A POSITIVE LIGHT DURING
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594 A TIME WHEN "YELLOW PERIL" AND OTHER TERMS LESS POLITE DESCRIBED WESTERN
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595 ATTITUDES.
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596 HROTHGAR, THE AMOUNT OF PHILOSOPHY THE MOVIE CONTAINED WAS TYPICAL OF
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597 MOVIES, MEANING VERY LITTLE COMPARED TO THE BOOK. THEN AS NOW, PRODUCERS
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598 OF TV AND MOVIES HAD TO AVOID PHILOSOPHY TO VERY GREAT DEGREES WHEN THE
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599 HEAD OF THE STUDIO WANTS SOMETHING LABELED ACTION/ADVENTURE. BUT THEY WERE
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600 ABLE TO SNEAK SOME OF IT PAST, AND IT IS WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH
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601 THAT MADE THE MOVIE MEMORABLE.
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602 AARON (AGAIN), ON THE "99%" STATEMENTS, IF SUCH A SYSTEM EXISTED, I
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603 DON'T THINK IT COULD INCLUDE THE CONCEPT OF HOSTILITY TOWARD ALL CONTRACEPTION
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604 THAT MOST FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIONS SEEM TO HAVE, AS OVER-POPULATION IS A
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605 MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD. NOR DO I THINK THAT BASING
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606 A WORLD'S SOCIAL STRUCTURE UPON A FOUNDATION OF LIES IS A VIABLE CONCEPT IF
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607 THE ELIMINATION OF 90% OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS IS THE OBJECTIVE. THOSE THAT
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608 BELIEVE THE LIE BUT LATER DISCOVER THE TRUTH WILL FEEL SUCH RESENTMENT THAT
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609 THEY WOULD BEGIN TO CONTRIBUTE TO A BREAKDOWN OF THE STRUCTURE OF SOCIETY.
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610 THEY WOULD BEGIN TO PROSELYTIZE, TO PREY UPON THE DISSATISFACTION THAT SOME
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611 FEEL NO MATTER HOW GOOD THINGS ARE, AND VERY SOON THE 90% AND 99% FIGURES
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612 WOULD NOT EXIST. THIS SYSTEM CALLS FOR A BELIEF IN THE BASIC GOODNESS OF
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613 HUMANITY THAT I JUST DON'T POSSESS, SINCE FOR IT TO WORK, THOSE THAT KNOW
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614 THE TRUTH MUST REMAIN SILENT AND NOT USE THE INFORMATION FOR THEIR OWN
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615 BENEFIT. ALSO, THE LINEFEEDS AND TABS DEPEND UPON WHAT TERMINAL PROGRAM I
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616 USE. THE FREE, PUBLIC DOMAIN PROGRAMS I HAVE IGNORE THE TABS AND LINEFEEDS
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617 (ALSO FORM FEEDS). BUT WHEN I USE MY PROGRAM THAT EMULATES AN ADM-3A, THEY
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618 COME THROUGH.
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619
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620 ON THE QUESTION OF HBO, I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT, AS THE AIRWAVES ARE
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621 MEANT TO BE PUBLIC, ANYTHING BROADCAST UPON THEM SHOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC
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622 DOMAIN. THESE COMPANIES ARE SQUATTERS, ESTABLISHING A POSITION UPON THEIR
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623 FREQUENCIES, AND THEN CLAIMING THEY OWN THEM. IF THIS MODULATED EMF IS
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624 PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEN I DEMAND THEY REMOVE THEIR PROPERTY FROM MY HOME AND
|
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625 KEEP IT OUT. I WANT THEM TO STOP THEIR PROPERTY FROM BOMBARDING MY BODY.
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626 PERHAPS I SHOULD SUE FOR TRESSPASS, MALICIOUS MISCHIEF, AND VANDALISM (SHE SAYS, TONGUE IN CHEEK). IF EVERYONE STARTS
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627 TAKING THEIR "PRODUCT" FOR FREE, IT LEAVES THEM WHERE THEY BELONG, ON CABLE. I'M OUT OF SPACE!! TILL NEXT TIME...
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628
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629 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][]
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