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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************* REMOVED: 19 OCT 83 ***************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 ########################################D.J.J. :
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26 SO YOU THINK CONSERVATISM IS THE BUSINESS OF MAKING LARGER STICKS. IF THIS IS
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27 TRUE THEN CONSIDER THE GARDENER WITH A ZUCCINI PLANT: HE CAN PICK THE FRUIT WHEN
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28 IT IS RIPE AND EDIBLE OR HE CAN LEAVE IT ON THE VINE TILL IT IS SO LARGE THAT IT
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29 CANNOT BE OF ANY USE TO ANYONE SAVE A MENTION AT THE LOCAL FAIR. I DON' FIND
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30 THIS TO BE THE CASE HOWEVER. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS THEY PICK THE FRUIT TOO
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31 SOON AND CHARGE A TOTALLY RIDICULOUS PRICE FOR IT. THIS IS OF COURSE THE OTHER
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32 EXTREME. CONSERVATIVES ARE FAMOUS FOR THEIR EXTREMES. LIBERALS ON THE OTHER HAND
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33 ARE USUALLY INTERESTED IN THE WELFARE NOT ONLY OF THE MASSES BUT OF THE GARDENER
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34 TOO. PICK YOUR FRUIT WHILE IT IS AT ITS PEAK, NOT TO SOON NOR TOO LATE, GET A
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35 FAIR PRICE FOR YOUR LABORS. THIS ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE BUT THEN WHEN IS SOME-
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36 THING EVER TRUE TO ITS COURSE. AS TO THE MATTER OF LUCK. YOU SHOULD DO A LITTLE
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37 REASEARCH INTO THE SUBJECT. LUCK IS DEFINATELY A VIABLE ITEM IN TODAYS WORLD. NO
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38 ONE MAKES IT ON HIS OWN. I DON'T CARE HOW HARD YOU WORK, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE
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39 OTHERS TO CREDIT FOR YOUR SUCCESS AND IF YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT THEN I PITTY
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40 YOUR SELF-CENTERED LITTLE MIND, AND UN-
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41 GRATEFUL ATTITUDE IN LIFE.
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42 SORRY, I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED THE WORD PITY AS IT DOES NOT APPLY IN YOUR CASE.
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43 CONTEMPT! YES THATS A BETTER DISCRIPTION OF MY FEELINGS TOWARD YOUR "CONSERV-
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44 ITIVE VIEWS AND MENTAL ABILITY"
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46 ################C.Y.M.#################################10/14 9:54AM#############
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47 I hate to tell you this, but the attitudes of most "liberals"
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48 seem to be closer to DJJ's appraisal than to yours. As for "conservatives"
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49 don't assume that what he is calling a conservative is what you are
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50 calling a conservative. (by the way, I was NOT attributing anything to
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51 you, after replying to one of your comments I broke the text &
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52 started a general comment. Sorry if the break wasn't clear enough)
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53 I don't agree that all "conservatives" meet DJJ's description, but
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54 anyone who does will probably wind up being labeled a "conservative".
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55 Too many "liberals" are best described by the attitude "all men are
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56 equal" with the unspoken corrolary "if they aren't then we'll MAKE them 'equal'"
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57 One of the prime "liberal" "achievments" are the equal opportunity
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58 laws. I'm all for equal opportunity, I've gotten rejected for jobs
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59 for no "real" reason myself. But the "liberals" seem to think that
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60 "equal opportunity" will mean "equal success", thus the various
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61 quota systems (and the Bakshi decision etc). I'm sorry, we AREN'T
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62 EQUAL!!! Everyone is better than other people at some things and
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63 worse at others. The spirit of "all men are created equal" is best
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64 served by recognizing that ABILITY is the only way to judge someone's
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65 fitness for a job. Unfortunately, all we are going for is equal
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66 numbers (sorry "proportionate"). I have heard of cases where a job
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67 CANNOT be filled under the federal guidelines because NONE of the
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68 qualified persons belonged to a minority & the company didn't
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69 have "enough" minority workers. This has, on occasion, resulted in
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70 hiring a "token" minority person to "front" for an assistant who
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71 really does the work.
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72 I'm not about to claim that the "typical conservative" is better,
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73 but they aren't much worse. The "conservatives" have caused many
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74 problems, but the "liberals" show a real talent(?) for coming up
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75 with solutions that are worse than the original problem! Civil service regs
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76 are an example. There was a problem- getting good workers for government
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77 jobs - does anyone think that the "solution" is working better?
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78 Or, if you think that taxing the rich at higher rates to provide
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79 for the poor is a workable idea, I suggest you check into the situation
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80 in Britain or Sweden (a few years ago there was a news item regarding
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81 the "unintentional" effect of a new Swedish tax law, it made the
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82 tax rate for people earning above a certain amount 105%!). People
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83 are leaving both countries because success in business (or whatever)
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84 is actively penalized by the tax structure. I can see reasons for
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85 a Minumum income below which you don't have to pay taxes or even
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86 a "negative income tax" that would encourage people below the
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87 "minimum" to try to earn money. But why DIS-courage people from
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88 making money, after all, even at a "flat-rate" tax the more they
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89 make the more the government gets.
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90 I could go on about other "liberal" idiocies, but why bother? one
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91 of the traits of these self-proclaimed "liberals" is that they
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92 seem to feel that anyone who can't see how "right" they are is
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93 is stupid or else cynically trying to stop them for personal gain.
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94 ("Obviously", I have something to gain from suppressing minorities
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95 & exploiting tax loopholes, etc or I would be arguing against these
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96 "good & beneficial" liberal policies) (by the way, does anyone
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97 out there remember the story of the farmer who tried to save money
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98 by feeding his donkey less?)
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99 _______________________________Leonard__________________________
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101 DEAR SIR
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103 AS TO YOUR ADDITUDE TOWARDS LIBERALS I BLEAVE YOU HAVE MADE A VERY
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104 GOOD POINT. IN FACT THE PROCES OF MACKING ALL PEOPLE "EQUAL" THE PEOPLE ALOWYS L
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105 LOUSE OUT IN THE END. IF A SCOITEY IS ALL EQUAL AND THE
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106 SAME THEN IT RUNS THE RISK OF BECAOMING STAGINET AND
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107 DIEING IN IT'S OWN FILTH.
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108
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109 SENCERLY
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110 MA YUAN
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111 P.S. PARDON THE SPELLING
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112
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113 YOU ASSHOLES REALLY GET INTO YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT LIBERALS AND CONSERV
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114 VEAS WHY DONT YOU CYUT THE BULLSHIT AND ENTER NORMAL MESSAGES LIKE
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115 EVERY ONE ELSE eg. FOR SALE or NEED HELP WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS PURE
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116 UNEQUALED BULLSHIT.
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117 THE SCRIBBLER LIVES ON!!!!!
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120 }[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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121 WELL, THIS ARGUMENT IS GETTING A LITTLE VIOLENT, SO I THINK I WILL STAY
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122 OUT OF IT FOR NOW.
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123 MIKEY, I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT I WAS MISSED! THE LAST 2 WEEKS HAVE
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124 BEEN HARROWING TO SAY THE LEAST, AND I WAS NEARLY LOST IN MORE WAYS THAN
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125 ONE. I PEEKED IN A FEW TIMES, BUT THE TOPIC WAS TAXES, AND I'VE SAID
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126 ALL I WANTED TO ON THAT ONE, AND NOBODY WAS SAYING ANYTHING NEW, SO I
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127 JUST KEPT QUIET. THIS CONVERSATION IS GETTING OUT OF HAND, WITH EACH
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128 SIDE ATTEMPTING TO DEFINE THE OTHER IN A WAY THAT IS THE MOST INSULTING.
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129 NOT MUCH IS GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THIS RATE UNLESS SOME OF YOU ARE
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130 WILLING TO GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT, AND GET AWAY FROM THE NAME-CALLING.
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131 OH, YES, TO THE PERSON WANTING THIS BBS TO BE A "FOR SALE" TYPE BOARD, IF
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132 YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR SALE, TELL US! I DON'T, SO DON'T EXPECT ME TO PUT
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133 THAT SORT OF MESSAGE ON. YOU MAY THINK THAT ALL OF THIS IS "BULLSHIT"
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134 (TO USE YOUR EUPHEMISM), BUT I DON'T. I FIND THIS BOARD TO BE AN UNIQUE
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135 METHOD TO EXCHANGE IDEAS, ONE THAT CAN'T BE FOUND ELSEWHERE. WHEN YOU
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136 PLACE YOUR IDEAS HERE, THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS YOUR ABILITY TO
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137 EXPRESS THEM, AND WHAT THEY ARE. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. IF YOU DON'T WANT
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138 ANYONE TO KNOW YOUR AGE, GENDER, RACE, RELIGION, HEIGHT, LOOKS, ETC.,
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139 YOU ARE SAFE. ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOUR IDEAS. SO, WAKE UP AND LET US
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140 HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOU! WELL, OTHER THAN "BULLSHIT" THAT IS.
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141
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142 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM![][][][][][]
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143 P.S. THANKS AGAIN, MIKEY, ITS NICE TO BE WANTED!
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145 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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148 TO: THE SCRIBBLER
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149 RE: SUBJECT MATTER
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150
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151 I THINK THIS BULLETIN BOARD HAS A WELL DEFINED PURPOSE, THE PROMOTION OF INTERACTION AND SHARING. I AM TRULY SORRY
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152 THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED FOR ANOTHER 'FOR SALE' TYPE BULLETIN BOARD. I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO AT LEAST READ, HOWEVER.
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153 SINCERELY,
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154 DJJ
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158 TO: CYM
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159 RE: CURRENT TOPIC
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161 I DO NOT SAY THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN HELPED IN MY SUCCESS BY OTHERS, BUT RATHER THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN DEFEATED BY 'BAD BREAKS'
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162 NOR MADE BY 'GOOD BREAKS'. MY MAIN POINT IS THAT LUCK IS HIGHLY OVERRATED. IN YOUR REPEATED REFERENCE TO SINGLE
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163 EXAMPLES NOT BEING WORTHY OF MENTION, I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE. IT IS THE VERY FACT THAT SO MANY CAN SUCCEED AGAINST
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164 SEEMINGLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS THAT SHOW WITHOUT QUESTION WHAT AN AVERAGE PERSON CAN DO AGAINST NORMAL ODDS SUCH AS BIRTHRIGHT
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165 OR LACK OF EDUCATION OR LACK OF CAPITAL OR ETC. I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON FROM AN OPPRESSED COUNTRY MIGHT HAVE A CASE,
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166 BUT THIS IS THE UNITED STATES, WHERE INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVE HAS NOT BEEN LEGISLATED AWAY.
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167 I ACKNOWLEDGE THE HELP I HAVE RECEIVED FROM A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE, YOURSELF INCLUDED. WITHOUT SUCH INPUT TO SPARK MY
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168 MIND, IT WOULD BE A DULL PLACE INDEED.
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169
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170 LASTLY, AN APOLOGY. I HAVE HAD SOME MALICE EVIDENT IN MY COMMUNICATION. I ASSURE YOU IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, AND
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171 CERTAINLY NOT PERSONAL. I WILL WATCH MYSELF IN THE FUTURE. I AM VERY SORRY IF YOU FELT A PERSONAL ATTACK.
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172
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173 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 1324 13-OCT-84
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175 everyone here seems to think there are only two kinds of people, liberals and conservatives. I consider myself to be
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176 of the road. I have many conservative views but consider myself liberal in many ways.
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177 It is disapointing that the political party system ibn this country has polarized itself.
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178 There are very few politicians who are truly middle of the road. If they are they are penalized by their respective
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179 party. John Glenn comes close to being in the middle but he will probably no get the nomination because the old time
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180 democratic liberals will keep him from it
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181 and elect mondale. This is evidenced by the recent mondale endoresment by the afl-cio.
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182 ###################DSS##################
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185 Hiya, d. Back again. 'Ja get settled? Dave
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186 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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187 **********
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188 TALKING ABOUT LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES, WHAT 'ABOUT COMMIES?
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189 **********
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190 How many commies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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191
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192 None, commies prefer working in the dark.
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193
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194 ######################################## WELL HATE TO TELL ALL OF YOU THIS BUT YOUR BOTH RIGHT WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUIL
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195 EXCEPT FOR THE DIFFERENCES WE CREATE OURSELVES. SOME OF US DEVELOPE MENTALY AND
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197 INTELECTUALY AT DIFFERENT RATES SOME DON'T EVEN MAKE IT SOME ARE AGRESIVE SOME
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198 seems to me that ya all aren't to generous to others yourownselves*****pww*****
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199
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200 MIGHT TRY THE SYSTEM FIRST BEFORE YOU SLANDER> SEEMS LIKE WHAT EVER YA WANT TO SAY YA CAN> GOOD IDEA!!
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201 =A WATCHER=
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204 nOTHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG BUT
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205 THINKING MAKES IT SO.
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206
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207 sO WHY DON'T YOU GUYS STOP
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208 THINKING AND USE THE BBS AS A
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209 PLACE FOR ADVERTISEMENTS AND
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210 SUCH?
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212
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213 //// THE WHIP
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216 did you know that mondale has se
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217 selected his v.p. candidate?
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218 dolly parton......
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219 the ticket will be called tits
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220 and fritz and the slogan will be
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221 "vote for the 3 boobs"
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222 ################################
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226 Well said Leonard!!!!!!! I consider myself neither liberal or conservative, but I conclude that recently (within the last
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227 20 or so years) liberals have been more damaging and dangerous than conservatives. This was a change from the past, when the
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228 opposite seemed to be true. The problem, I believe, is that once liberals became powerful enough to pass laws, they couldn't
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229 resist the temptation to 'get back' at all the un-nice people who were in power before.
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230 There is a difference, I believe, in 'doing right' and 'being nice.' I can't believe, for example, that a shopkeeper
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231 should be forced by the government to serve all people. "Blasphemy!," I hear the liberals cry! But why should I, having inv
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232 ested by hard-earned money in a venture of my own choosing, not forcing anyone to do business with me, be forced to do
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233 business with somebody else? And here is where the difference between 'right' and 'nice' comes in: Sure, I'm notbeing
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234 'nice' to a person if I refuse to serve him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he actually has a RIGHT to my services.
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235 Liberals tend to believe that if an act isn't NICE, laws should be passed to prohibit it, even if the un-nice person
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236 in question has every right to do that. Another good example is in schools. Private schools are a voluntary association
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237 of individuals for the purpose of education. There is no reason that such schools should be forced to accept any particular
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238 student, even if such rejection would be un-nice.
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239 To be sure, conservatives have similar problems. They tend to legislate morality, passing laws against drug use,
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240 prostitution, gambling, and a host of others. In this way, liberals and conservatives appear nearly alike: Each has certain
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241 likes and dislikes, BUT BOTH TEND TO FEEL THAT THEY CAN AND SHOULD PASS LAWS TO FORCE THE REST OF THE WORLD TO 'TOE THE LINE'
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242 AND ACT THE WAY THEY WANT YOU TO ACT.
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243 That's the big mistake. I have my likes and dislikes too, but I don't claim to have any right to pass laws forcing
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244 my preferences on others. Most of the rest of the world (and most people in this country) consider government to be
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245 mallet to bash one's enemies with when one is in power, and to be bashed with when one is out of power. Eventually they
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246 will see that this game of attack and counter-attack, manipulation and counter-manipulation is foolish, stupid, wasteful,
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247 deceptive, unfair, and particularly childish. They will know that government's only permissible function is the maintenance
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248 of a society that we can all live in, free from force or fraud, in totally voluntary cooperation with each other.
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249
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250 At this time, as I said, I consider liberals to be more dangerous, because they are attempting to set up a system where it
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251 is difficult or impossible to achieve more by working harder (the so-called progressive income tax.) They do this by forcing
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252 the productive people to support the non-productive people. This (naturally) encourages non-production, and thus stagnation
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253 and deterioration of the society as we know it.
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254
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255 My message to the liberals has always been this:
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256 "Be as liberal as you want to be, as long as you aren't liberal with my money!"
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257 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::::::::
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258 DO YOU KNOW WHAT GAY STANDS FOR?.... Got Aids Yet.
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259 #########################################
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260 Do you know how helen keller burned her hand?....reading the waffle iron
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261 ########################################whats blue and squirms in the corner?..
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262 a baby with a bag over its head.
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263 whats green and sits in the corner?....
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264 the same baby two weeks later.
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265 Dear sirs
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266 may I point out to you that a scoity that has no history
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267 also has no future. case in point I think that both the
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268 liberals and the conservits should look back at the
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269 fall of the romen empire and then tack a close look
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270 around them selfs. on a diffrent tract what are
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271 your views on the innicent by reasons of insainty
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272 cop out that is used or missused these days
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274 still
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275 MA YUAN
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276 WELL, IT SEEMS WE HAVE SOME BORN AGAIN CONSERVATIVES ESPOUSING THEIR "NEW" VIEWS........... ANY BORN AGAIN REAGANITES ???
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277 AS A PRODUCT OF THE LIBERAL '60 S AND '70 S, I THINKBROADER, MORE MATURE APPROACH TO THE QUESTION AT HAND, IS WARRANTED.
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278 THE FIRST CONSIDERATION TO COME TO MIND IS THE CONCEPT OF DYNAMIC SOCIAL CYCLICAL PHENOMENON...... WE HAVE SEEN IT
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279 BEFORE AND WE SHALL SEE IT AGAIN...... AS FOR THE IDEA OF "I OWN THE BUSINESS--- I CAN SERVE ANYONE I PLEASE IS OUTRAGEOUS
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280 AND IRRESPONSIBLE.... IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE STRUCTURE AND SUPPORT THAT THE GOV'T
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281 PROVIDES TO BUSINESSES (I.E.... TRANSPORTATION, BANKING SYSTEMS, ELECTRICAL FACILITIES,
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282 BUILDING CODES, AND SO ON), THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANY SMALL BUSINESSES..... THEY WOULD BE EATEN UP IN THE TURMOIL.....
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283 AND THAT VERY GOV'T IS MADE UP OF ALL OF US.... THE U. S. IS SORT OF LIKE A BLUE CHIP STOCK...
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287 THAT IS, A BLUE CHIP STOCK, THAT WE ALL OWN SHARES OF. ....THESE SHARES ENTITLE US TO CERTAIN PRIVILEDGES
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288 ONE OF WHICH IS THAT BUSINESSES (PROFESSIONALS) MUST ADHERE TO ESTABLISHED STANDARDS AND PRACTICES.... BUT SOCIAL EXCLUSION
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289 PREJUDICE, SERVES NO PURPOSE TO TO DIVIDE SOCIAL CLASSES FURHTER
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290 AND EVENTUALLY LEAD TO FURTHER CORRUPTION ON A MASSIVE SCALE...
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291 ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE SUFFERING FOR OUR L
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292 THATS LIBERAL APPROACH TO SOLVING INTERNAL PROBLEMS.... IT IS BY FAR
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293 IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL INVOLVED...AND IT SHOULD PAY OFF FOR US
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294 IN THE LONG RUN......
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295 REMEMBER---WE ARE A MELTING POT....AND IT IS FROM THIS MIX THAT
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296 WE HAVE EXCELLED IN THE WORLD ARENA.... LET'S NOT SCREW IT UP NOW BY REVERTI
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297 REVERTING TO THE PAST..... LET'S LOOK FORWARD AND NOT BACK.....
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298 REALISTICALLY...THE GOOD OLD DAYS WERE NEVER --THAT-- GREAT.....
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299 YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HACKER,
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300 ****************************** BIT BRAIN ************
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303
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304 it seems we are down to the question of governments. if a government is to rule by majority, the n some people's
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305 rights will be abridged, depending on what is the majority view. Perhaps we should consider the principle of anarchy.
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306 In that case a lots of people will have their "rights" abridged by other people and not the system, but with anarchy
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307 perhaps there are no rights since there is no society to define them.
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311 I think an important point should be pointed out. That is, We have exsisted as a nation and a country for 200 years
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312 without a significant change in the governing system. I think this is because of the adversary nature of our system
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313 no one viewpoint is allowed to dominate because of checks and balance, which depend on a free press, public opinion,
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314 and the elective system. A bbs like this contributes to the free exchange of
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315 opinion which affects public opinion. If one side does something dirty, it is virulently exposed by the other side or
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316 the press and the society will swing back to the middle again. Although this is not perfect, nothing is. Society has conditione
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317 itself to be combative, this part of the underlying anarchy of human nature. An example is news reporting, if a
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318 reporter reports something favorable about something he is judged to be "on the take" in a way. However if he reports
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319 in a negative way, he will be believed.
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320 That is why there is a lot of negative reports about the government, which often hinders the business of governing. This
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321 is a good example of the nature of our system.
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322
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325 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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327 MA YUAN: Do you speak English too?
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328
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329 Scribbler & Whip: Why would anyone want ANOTHER advertising BBS in
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330 Portland. I think ten is enough, particularly when BWMS is not of
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331 the appropriate format for this purpose. If advertisements excite
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332 you, I suggest you try one of the following BBS numbers:
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333 BEE.......................649-xxxx
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334 Bit Bucket................761-xxxx
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335 CBBS/NW.......284-xxxx or 646-xxxx
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336 PMS.......................245-xxxx
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337 PAC.......................245-xxxx
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338 R/CPM (Portland)..........621-xxxx
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339 R/CPM (Beaverton).........641-xxxx
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340 Security..................626-xxxx
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341 Sunday Trader.............653-xxxx
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342 80+.......................771-xxxx
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343
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344 I must admit, my political inclinations, also, are limited to nonexist-
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345 ant, but I am not terribly stimulated b advertisements either. If you are,
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346 why don't you go have an orgasm on one of these other systems. Meanwhile I
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347 will patiently watch and wait until the subject changes to philosophy/religion, culture, sex, etc.
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348
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349 CYM: I'm afraid I must disagree this time. I believe that "luck" and
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350 "chance" are abstractions used where the causative agent is not clear,
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351 or is not desired to be disclosed. Neither exist in reality; for every
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352 phenomenon there is a cause, whether or not it is humanly concievable.
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353 I am also of the opinion that there are extremely few who are incapable
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354 of providing for themselves, but there are multitudes (particularly in this
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355 country) who prefer not to. As to the
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356 political implications of this I would not speculate. To the extent that my
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357 limited political adeptness will allow me to form opinions, I am largely in
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358 agreement.
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359
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360 To the person with the warped sense of humor:
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361 What do you do for entertainment, behead kittens? Please leave your
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362 address so those in your neighood with kids can check their halloween candy
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363 for rasor blades.
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364
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365 Dirty Ol' Man
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366
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367 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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368
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369
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370 PS: Anyone know how to use IMSAI system at 760-7609???
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371
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372 Dirty
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373
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374 PPS: Is the person with the warped sence of humor perchance Gary
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375 Thomas?
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376
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377 Dirty
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378
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379 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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380
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381 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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382
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383 RE: Conservativism/liberalism...
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384 The cost of nonconformity is inconveniece.
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385
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386 RE: Bill Boards for ads only... I wn't object to your use of the BWMS
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387 for advertisements so...
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388 RE: insults... may feel good when there's nothing else to say but it
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389 isn't effective communication under most circumstances.
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390 RE: 'Bullshit '... it's all relative.
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391 RE: Sex... Best regards.
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392 RE: Religon... worst regards.
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393 RE: politics...not much better.
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394 RE: reading a good book...see ya'll
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395 later
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396 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^cosmo^^^^^^^^^^^^
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397 *****************************************************************
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398 PAM: BUT OF COURSE YOU ARE MISSED! YOURS IS A VOICE OF CALM AMIDST THE
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399 INSANITY THAT SEEMS TO HAVE OVER TAKEN BWMS OF LATE.
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400 DOM: DO YOU HAVE A PASS WORD FOR THE IMSAI SYSTEM? (IT IS JUST ANOTHER
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401 BBS/CPM [RCPM] SYSTEM FOR CERTAIN PRIVATE USERS WITH PASSWORDS.)
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402 Leonard: YES, PROBABLY.
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403 OTHERS: YAWN.. HOW ABOUT MOVING ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT? AFTER HEARING THE
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404 SAME ARGUMENT FOR THE 20TH TIME IT DOES GET TO BE A BIT BORING....
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405 ANYONE: I'M LOOKING FOR A SOMEONE WHO KNOWS TRS-80'S (2,3,4,12,ECT.)
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406 PARTICULARLY THOSE RUNNING CPM. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS.
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407 PLEASE LEAVE A NOTE HERE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING.
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408 ********** CISTOP MIKEY ********* 15 OCT 83 ******** 10:21AM *********
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409 HOW ABOUT A CHANGE OF SUBJECT? RUMOR HAS IT THAT MA BELL IS THINKING OF
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410 CHARGING A SUR CHARGE IF YOU USE A MODEM. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I HAVE HEARD
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411 AMOUNTS AS HIGH AS $50 A MONTH. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS, YOU
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412 MIGHT ALSO LEAVE A NOTE ON CBBS STATING YOUR VIEWS SINCE JIM IS VERY
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413 INTERESTED IN THIS TO THE POINT OF DOING BATTLE WITH MA.
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414 IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MY VIEW, IT IS SIMPLE: AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, I
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415 HAVE A LIMIT ON WHAT I WILL PAY FOR MY BASE PHONE CHARGES. THAT BEING
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416 $50 A MONTH TOTAL. IF IT EXCEEDS THAT I WILL CUT BACK WHERE I CAN UNTIL
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417 IT DROPS BELOW THE $50 MARK. SINCE I HAVE TWO LINES, THIS MEANS I HAVE
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418 BEEN PAYING $37 A MONTH BASE CHARGE FOR MY PHONES. ($14 FOR BWMS)
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419 THE FIRST THING I WILL DO IS CHANGE BWMS TO A METERED LINE. THE NEXT WILL
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420 BE TO DROP THE CUSTOM CALLING PACKAGE ON MY VOICE LINE. AND FINALLY ALL
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421 ELSE FAILING I WILL DROP BWMS. PERSONALLY I FEEL THERE IS NO REASON TO
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422 BE CHARGING A SUR CHARGE FOR USE OF A MODEM. IN FACT, I THINK IT IS A
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423 BIT FOOLISH ON MA'S PART TO DO SO SINCE IT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE
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424 THE PRIVATE USE OF MODEMS ON THE PHONE SYSTEM WHICH WILL MEAN LOST INCOME
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425 TO HER (PARTICULARLY IF SHE GOES TO AN ALL METERED SERVICE.). MORE
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426 IMPORTANTLY THE MAJOR LOSS WILL COME FROM SECONDARD PRIVATE PHONE LINES
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427 BEING DROPED BECAUSE OF THE EXCESSIVE COST, AND LOSS OF THE LOCAL LONG
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428 DISTANCE REVENUE GENERATED BY THE USERS WHO ARE LONG DISTANCE FROM THE
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429 BBS'S. THE REASON FOR THE SUR CHARGE THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN SO FAR IS
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430 THAT IF YOU HAVE A MODEM, THEN YOU CAN AFORD THE EXTRA CHARGE ON YOUR
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431 LINE TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST FOR EVERYONE ELSE USING THE PHONES. WHAT
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432 SEEMS TO BE FORGOTTEN IS THAT THIS IS A HOBBY FOR ME AND I CAN NOT AFFORD
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433 TO PAY OVER $50 A MONTH FOR A HOBBY! THAT IS MORE THEN I PAY FOR
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434 ELECTRICITY! (AND I'M ALL ELECTRIC HERE.) I HAVE A FEELING THAT UNLESS
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435 MA WAKES UP SOON AND FIGURES OUT HOW TO PROVIDE PHONE SERVICE AT A
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436 REASONABLE COST SHE MAY FIND COMPITITION FOR LOCAL LINES AS WELL...
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437 AT $50 A MONTH IT BECOMES A VERY LUCRATIVE BUSINESS, AND THERE WILL
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438 BE MANY CLAMORING FOR A PIECE OF THE ACTION. WANT AN EXAMPLE? HOW
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439 MUCH ARE YOU PAYING FOR CABLE? (BY THE WAY THAT SYSTEM IS ALREADY
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440 LARGLY INSTALLED AND IT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY TO ADD VOICE CAPABILITY
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441 TO IT......) NUFF SAID
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442 ********* CISTOP MIKEY ************ 15 OCT 83 ****** 10:48AM *********
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443 Mikey,
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444 I know a lot about TRS-80 Model's 1,3 and 4. Any questions?
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445 Go ahead and ask me. Call me at 695-xxxx anytime on the
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446 weekends or from 4:00pm to 8:30pm on weekdays.
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447
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448 Chris Bradley
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449 Alias, TRON
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450 ########################################
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451 REPLACE
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452 MIKEY: I UNDERSTAND THAT MA-BELL IS ALREADY CHARGING THE SUR-CHARGE IN THE
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453 SOUTH WESTERN STATES LIKE TEXAS. SEEMS THE PHONE LINES THERE DON'T SUPPORT
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454 GARBAGE FREE TRANSMISSION OF DATA SO IF YOU HAVE A MODEM AND WANT TO USE IT
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455 YOU MUST PAY FOR AN UPGRADED LINE. THE PHONE SYSTEM THERE BEING RATHER DATED
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456 NOT LIKE OUR RATHER NEW SYSTEM HERE IN THE N W. OF COURSE IF THIS CATCHES ON
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457 AND THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, WATCH OUT!
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458
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459 ##################C.Y.M.################################10/15 11:29AM#######
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460 about the modems..the phone company will never know that I have a modem
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461 and I dont think there is anyway they can find out since I plug into the
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462 hanset outlet. If I was using a audio or non direct connect modem, I think
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463 there is a definite legal recourse sinceyou would not really be hooked into
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464 the phone lines, but instead it would
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465 be like talkng into the phone normally
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466 except you are using a computer. The phone co. cannot stop you from using yo
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467 your own equipment,(court decision) so it seems to me there is a legal
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468 precedent here. The only problem is how data transmission is legally defined
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469 ###############dss###################
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470 DSS, you're misinformed if you think that plugging your modem into the hand
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471 set plug the phone company won't know you
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472 have a modem. The most obvious and direct way they'd know would be to scan calls for continuous noise (carrier tone) and
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473 home in on these lines for further analysis. I agree that we shouldn't pay more for a 'data-grade' line, especially since
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474 we didn't ask for it: Modems were DESIGNED to be able to use voice-grade lines and transmit correctly, and we paid good
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475 money for this capability. Secondly, it is unlikely that the phone company even has the option of selecting between voice-
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476 and data-grade lines for any given call or caller, so the extra money is a farce.
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477 One way TPC (The Phone Company) may get around this is to eliminate the option of unlimited local calling and go to a
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478 metered rate for all customers. This way, modem users would automatically pay more, simply because they tend to use the
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479 phone for a longer period of time. Let's hope this doesn't happen.
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480 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::::::::::
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481 P.S.: What's the definition of a Born-Again-Conservative?
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482 Answer: Anyone whose arguments confuse a liberal.
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483 ::::::::::::::
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484 Im not sure the phone co. can listen in on your phone conversation to check if there is a cont. tone unless they
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485 have a court order. And like I said if you are using a non DC modem, as long as you are not hooked up to the lines,
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486 the information you transmit over the lines, be it data or voice is your own
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487 business, protected blaw.
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488 #################dss###################
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489 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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490
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491 Hello, all......Back I am,......equipment seems OK, I guess BWMS
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492 is the best place to check a terminal....something like "worst-case"
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493 testing.....I must apologise for dissappearing on everybody, I have
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494 had a rather harrowing rs-232 interfacing adventure with my system
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495 for the past few weeks........seems functional, though....
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496
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497 Many new people out here. New (?) ideas too. Certainly a new topic;
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498 but why something as MUNDANE as GOVERNMENT? Let's get esoteric. I
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499 suggest "Utopia: acheivable or Erehwon". All you behavorists speak
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500 up. Anyone for Twin Oaks? Baby boxes? (air-cradles for the less
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501 familiar (take note MIKEY, not familur......i know, i know....i have
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502 a minimum of 20 spelling/gramatical errors in this text; but your
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503 "familur" always drives me nuts......) with B.F. Skinner....
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504
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505 A special hello to PAM; to whom I abandoned mid-thought....What's up?
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506
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507 And BAD; do I have some BSP's for you!
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508
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509 Dave: where is d???
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510
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511 Aaron
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512 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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513
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514 No, I dont think utopia is achievable due to the underlying anarchy of human
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515 nature. How do you define Utopia?
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516 #################dss###################
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517
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518 Yes, we can and do listen in to conversations. The law prevents us from
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519 using the information heard, but don't bet on listening being unlawful.
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520 It isn't. We can listen to verify line quality, or to determine the type
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521 of usage. different states laws vary. The SW Bell surcharge pertains to
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522 what are called 'information providers', and was originally intended to
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523 apply to data base and time share computers; it is about 5 years old,
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524 they just started aplying it to everybody. It does not concern how
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525 you get the data online and affect all data, whether direct, via the
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526 other side of the phone, or acoustic, or whatever.
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527 Full, required metered service was requested by P NW Bell, but was
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528 denied by the PUC. You may soon expect to see a limited usage allowed,
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529 both outgoing and incoming, with a surcharge for more use, or 'meter'
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530 style rates for more usage. Also, now with divestiture, expect the
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531 cost of flat rate to rise a lot, and when most low usage people are on
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532 metered service, the high users will have a much higher rate for flat
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533 rate. PNB officially denies plans for a special data rate, but is
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534 probably waiting for the courts to decide on the SW Bell case.
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535
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536 As to the merits of liberal vs conservative: extremists are all
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537 dangerous, both are extremists... I have never met a politically active
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538 person who I would trust, with anything.
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539 Luck is. If we can't predict it, it is pure luck. It may have a cause,
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540 but unless you know or can control the cause, it is pure luck. You may be
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541 able to define it differently, but it still is the same thing. It is
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542 called 'unimportant' by those who have been favored by it, and the rest of
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543 us know better. Without luck the poor black in South Africa has the same
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544 chance at success as you do, and he doesn't because he wasn't lucky enough
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545 to be born a white male in the USA. We all like to believe we ourselves are
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546 in control of our destiny, it make us feel godd, strong, important, etc,..
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547 We don't. Whe I go out rock climbing I prefer to climb with someone who
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548 is a little scared, he is careful. The climber who has never fallen and
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549 believes he is too good will sonner or later kill someone, and I don't
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550 plan to be that someone. I won't climb with him. Same is true of any
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551 venture. Good looks, etc will help overcome bad luck, but still.
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552 (By the way, how did you choose your parents who gave you your good genes?)
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553 ////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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554 :::::::
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555 Typical Argument: Productive person: "I got where I am through hard work" (True)
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556 Non-productive person: "But you were helped by others" (Also True, but wait!)
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557
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558 While it may be true that people depend to some extent on the efforts of others to get where they are, unless you
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559 are prepared to quantify your arguments you'll get nowhere. Even though a Productive Person may have depended on others
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560 to some degree, that degree may be so small as to be ignorable and pointless. If we consider the average productivity
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561 of everyone in the world, we will find that about half (not necessarily exactly half) have a productivity greater than
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562 the average, while the other half have a productivity less than average. But almost no-one is totally independant on
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563 anyone else; This is not the point, though, I'm glad to say.
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564 Here's the decisive counter-argument: In a canoe with two rowers, it doesn't matter who rows harder and who is
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565 lazy. Both canoers get to the destination at essentially the same time. But that doesn't mean that each did the same
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566 work during the journey, certainly. And while the lazy canoer may say that part of the hard-working canoer's success
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567 (getting to the destination) was due to him, in fact more of the lazy canoer's success was due to the hard-worker.
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568 Similarly, just because we depend on others in this world doesn't mean that we can claim no credit for our own hard
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569 work. There are lots of 'lazy canoers' in this world, and they are quite fond of pointing out that they are in some
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570 way necessary.
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571 And while 'luck' (chance) may have some influence in our lives, it is often used as an excuse by the lazies.
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572 I have never heard anyone claim that luck was TOTALLY responsible for our lives, so I'd like to hear the estimate of
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573 it's effects by those who believe it to be significant. 50%? 75% 90%? Just how much of our success can be attributed
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574 to that luck? And if it is so great, why would anyone WORK HARD when they KNOW their success (or lack of it) is
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575 preordained by chance, and they can do little about it?
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576 But that's just it! That's why the lazies tend to believe in luck! And that's why those that believe in luck tend to
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577 be lazy! If you think your hard work accomplishes nothing, you won't do it, will you? Your success will come to you no
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578 matter what, so why work? And you will believe that anyone who is successful got that way due to pure chance, not
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579 hard work. And, therefore, you should be able to take 50% of that guy's luck in taxes and spread it among the
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580 unlucky, right? The guy didn't deserve it anyway, did he? Nah! The guy didn't work hard (only a fool would believe
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581 that working hard causes success) and even if he did, that was completely independant of his success, right?
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582
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583 I got where I am through my own hard work, and I resent anyone implying that my success is mostly/totally due
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584 to chance. Or mostly/totally due to the work of others. Everyone is, to some degree, depedant on others, but to
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585 distort this fact to justify theft is just that, a thief.
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586
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587 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::::::::::
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588 TO: ANON
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589 WELL SAID SIR.
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590
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591
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592
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593 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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594 WELL NOW!
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595
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597
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598 PAM, COME BACK! THESE PEOPLE ALL LOVE YOU! (I FEEL THE SAME WAY)
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599
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600 ANON, IF THE GENERAL TONE ON HERE LATELY WASN'T SO ACRIMONIOUS, I'D
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601 DRIVE YOU INTO IGNOMINIOUS DEFEAT, YOU WITH YOUR PUTZY IDEAS. STILL,
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602 I HAVE TO TRY TO CONTRIBUTE TO AN AURA OF PEACE HERE TO DRAW THE
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603 MORE CREATIVE AND NICER PEOPLE BACK HERE WHO HAVE FLED THIS HURLY-BURLY
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604 OF USED (AND MIS-USED) IDEAS.
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605
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606 TO ALL: I'M AFRAID FANNING THE FLAMES ANY MORE IN THIS LOWEST-COMMON-
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607 DENOMINATOR DEBATE. SEEMS LIKE THE DUMBER THE SUBJECT THE MORE PARTICIPANTS
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608 WE GET. LETS GET ONTO SOMETHING MORE WORTHWHILE THAN NEWS HEADLINES AND
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609 POLITICAL RHETORIC. NO DOUBT THIS WILL BE LESS POPULAR, BUT I HAVE SEEN
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610 THE LIGHT. I USED TO OPPOSE RULES OF ANY KIND HERE, BUT THE DEBATE HAS
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611 JUST GOTTEN TOO LOW LEVEL. WE NEED TO TAKE STEPS TO DRIVE OUT THE YAHOOS.
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612 SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW TO RAISE THE LEVEL HERE, ANYBODY?? PLEASE?!
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613 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE DESPERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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614
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615 REMEMBER THE TERMINAL PROGRAM WHICH WAS PROMISED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO?
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616 WELL... WE HAVE FINISHED THE TERMINAL AND MOST OF ITS FUNCTI_NS.
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617
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618 THE FOLLOWING FEATURES ARE COMPLETED:
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619 STANDARD ASCII TERMINAL.
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620 2. EXPANDABLE MEMORY BUFFER WITH CONSTANT AVAILABLE SPACE READOUT.
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621 3. BAR METER TO INDICATE PER CENT OF MEMORY LEFT.
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622 4. FULL DUPLEXING AND SCROLLING MEMORY WINDOW FOR VIRTUAL MEMORY SIMULATIN
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623 5. REPEAT AND CONTROL MODES FOR EASY ONE KEY ENTRY.
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624 6. RECEIVE AND TRANSMIT INDICATORS WITH RECEIVE FVEQUENCY LAMP.
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625 7. REVIEW OF BUFFER ON SCREEN WITH HALT AND SPEED-UP KEYS.
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626 8. OUTPUT OF BUFFER TO PRINTER WITH UPPER LOWER CASE.
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627 9. OUTPUT OF BUFFER TO MODEM WITH PAUSE CHACTER (ASCII DOWNLOAD).
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628
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629 FEATURES SOON TO BE AVAILABLE:
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