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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************** REMOVED: 30 AUG 83 **************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 A NEW DISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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26 -------------------------------------------------------------
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27 To:Cistop Mikey
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28 Fm:Stan the Man
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29 SJ:Thursday
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30 Still will be coming over to see you guys....that OK with you?
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31 RSVP....The Man
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32 ##################^^^^^^^^##################
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33 Nick Danger was here! !!
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34 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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35 | Nice to see you d. How come you keep popping in and then disappearing for |
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36 | a month or two? ....................................................Pioneer |
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37 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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38 OH NICKY BABY!
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39 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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40 NICK DANGER EATS GOOIE DOGGIE DEW....
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41 ******************************************
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42 I MUST AGREE......
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43 ******************************************
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44 Yeah d, what happens? Kinda like a stray cat.... Here later,
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45 but never now....
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46 TRON
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47 \_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\
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48 ^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^-^^
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49 This disk is getting of to an even slower start than the
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50 last one. ---THE DOCTOR---
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51 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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52 \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
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53 It would appear that the little lizard has returned. Lost again?
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54 -------Max Grody------------------------------------------------------------
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55 Can it be? Have we finally run out of subjects to type about? Cmon, now, people out there in modem-land, you can do better
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56 than this. Let's go!!!!!!!!!
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57 _ -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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58 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Aug 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21:10 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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60 Wot say you, a stray cat? Somehow I envision a bedraggled creature
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61 whose torn ears and distrustful eyes bespeak many a battle...Ach, no...
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62 Where have I been? The story is long-winded, and I weary of having to
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63 account for my whereabouts...suffice to say, I have found a door that is not
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64 subject to the vagrancies of the wind; nonetheless, I must fumble for a key
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65 every visit, and travel for hours in the darkness when I leave.
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66 I had to laugh, dear Grody, when I heard your voice. Could there be
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67 the slightest trace of affection in your gruff tones? No, never!
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68 You WOULD, Dave--! As for shoes, why, I do not wear the things! You
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69 only thought you heard one drop...such a vivid imagination.
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70 Aaron, Aaron, your voice hails as if from a distance. Are you well
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71 and strong? And is that our friend dark prince beyond you?
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72 Ah, Apprentice...a name new, yet a voice so ancient and warm. May I
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73 offer my own toast in your behalf? Here is to you--and to your friends--
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74 who keep the hearth fire crackling, who keep the stew simmering, who spare
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75 a kind word for a traveler uncertain of welcome; thank you, Sir Apprentice!
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76 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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77 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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78 | Good luck with your wanderings, d, and may misfortune never knock at your |
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79 | door. Will you be staying around a bit or will you disappear again? And if |
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80 | you do, will you reappear soon, much later, or never? ..............Pioneer |
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81 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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82 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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83 I see that she has returned, and I find that I am grateful for her graceful presence. Style returns!!!!!!!!!!
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84 As for a new topic of debate, how about this: videotaping of copyrighted material has recently caused some
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85 lawsuits to prevent home taping. While I admit that taping from another machine might be considered unethical, but
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86 can taping from the "public" airwaves be illegal? If the airwaves are truly public, then shouldn't anything broadcast
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87 be considered in the public domain? After all, you are bombarded with radio waves constantly, and they even come on
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88 your property. If they are truly private property, couldn't you put up a "NO TRESSPASSING BY UNAUTHORIZED EMF" sign
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89 and then sue the owners of these private signals for trespass? Over to you, captain...............
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90 /Elberich\
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91 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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92 If the airwaves would make something "public property" would the telephone?
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93 I certainly get excess unasked phone calls (advertizing) but does ths affect
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94 the use of my modem to copy pirated programs? But this isn't broadcasting,
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95 and Congress should include video tapes in the copyright laws, as well as
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96 such things as ROM'd programs. How does broadcasting differ from any other
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97 public exposure of something private, that it alone should make theft legal?
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98 Putting a painting in public doesn't allow free copying, or publishing a book
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99 and selling it on the street doesn't make it free to copy. But then is my
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100 practice of taping a TV show, and then seeing it when I can the same as
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101 pirating something for sale? Be careful, Elberich, the going gets deep here,
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102 and fast: there are many ramifications to this.
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103 ////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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104 To those who have followed the 'jobs' debate:
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105 Tommorow night (Thursday 25 Aug) NBC will be airing a program on just
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106 that very subject at 10:00PM called 'Marvelous machines... Expendable people'.
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107 To d:
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108 Welcome once again to this most humble establishment. May your stay be most
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109 pleasent and relaxed. And I am sure as you no doubt have observed that
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110 this goes for the other customers of the Inn as well. Is it not interesting
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111 how they flock back again upon you apperance?
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112 To the rest of the customers both new and old:
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113 Thank you for your patronage and for spreading the word of the Inn both
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114 far and wide!
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115 Final:
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116 Regarding the comment concerning the video recording, I was very surprised
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117 when the decision was passed down that you could not record off the air
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118 in your own home. I would have thought that the decision made in regard
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119 to audio recording would be used as a pattern. (You may record all you
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120 want as long as it is not resold.) I think this shows the enormous amount
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121 of money that is preceived to be in the industry. I wonder though if this
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122 will not have adverse effect on the industry though.
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123 ****** CISTOP MIKEY ***** 11:30PM ***** 24 AUG 83 ***********************:
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124 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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125 one of my infrequent visits.................
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126 a hello to all,and i am well,a bit weary,but well.....
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127 A plea:
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128 Could someone explain "orthogonality" to me?
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129 Not only in the math sense,but in the broader
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130 as well.......................................
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131 A querry:
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132 Perchance someone out in the less mystic areas
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133 (or more mystic?) of BW would be intrested in
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134 talking "Intelligent Music Synthesys a la
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135 Computational Device" with me.Any takers?
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136 and,of course,an inquiry as to the state of
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137 health of relation Lori is in order,even
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138 though I can probably expect little more
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139 than "yes,she is well,and bids you hello"
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140 perchance I could request that my greetings
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141 be forwarded to her (thru appropriate channels,
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142 of course) and also (i know this is pressing
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143 it) the answer to my final question (of days
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144 past): Which HS did you grad from?
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145 nasty amount of blanks,eh?
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146 Aaron
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147 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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148 I agree about the court decision, WHY didn't they follow the Audio tape
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149 precedent. Oh well, it hasn't reached the Supreme Court yet, has it? I would
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150 LOVE to see someone try to challenge the current ruling (ie the manufacturers
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151 pay a "royalty" on every tape). I can think of several strange & interesting
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152 possibilities.
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153 1. the audio precedent might get applied (the studios would SCREAM!!)
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154 2. if so many people are using VCRs for illegal taping that the tape "surcharge"
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155 is necessary, then VCRs should be outlawed (the PUBLIC would scream, but so
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156 would the STUDIOS (it seems they want to rent/sell tapes of their copyrighted
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157 material.... that's why they're suing!))
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158 3. You might have to pay for a "VCR license" (renewable every x years, once
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159 again the PUBLIC would scream)
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160 Anyone else have any ideas to contribute? Remember, this is the LAW we are
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161 talking about, common sense need not be used!
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162 ____________________________Leonard_____________________________
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163 I thank thee, O Most Gracious of Ladyes.
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164 (sweeping bow)
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165 (now if only my MASTER does not hear of this!)
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166 ....................................the apprentice..............................
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167 ----------------------------------------------
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168 The issue of tapeing off the air waves is currently at the Supreme Court
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169 level. It seems to me that the whole
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170 affair is just another attempt by a group to make money by crying 'unfair'.
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171 The whole revolves around whether or not we are free to do as we please in
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172 our own homes. As long as the copyed programs are not sold or displayed for
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173 profit the argument of copyright enfringement just doesn't hold water.
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174 The methods proposed to deal with this 'problem' are equally out of it. A
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175 surcharge on tapes and VCRs, or the
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176 licensing of VCRs assumes that ever one
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177 is going to copy programs, an assumption that just isn't true.
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178 This area really galls me because I'm afraid that this issue isn't going to
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179 be settled on the merits of reasonability of the arguments, but on
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180 who has the shiftyest lawyers and who is willing to lay out the bucks to have
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181 the issue fall their way ...
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182 you guess who that will be.
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183 Also ...
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184 Aaron good to see your back over here.
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185 Paul
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186 -----------------------------------------------
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187 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_=-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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188 That's the same way I feel about programs. As long as you don't
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189 try to sell them, It's okay to pirate software. You should be
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190 able to use them for your own use without any trouble. I had 1
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191 copy of TRSDOS and made about 6 backups of it. I didn't give it
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192 away to anyone, but I have them. Who else feels the same way?
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193 TRON
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194 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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195 Tron:
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196 Making backups of software is very different than copying VCR programs.
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197 When you buy software you are actually
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198 buying a license for the use of that
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199 software, and one of the provisions
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200 of the licensing agreement is the right
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201 to make backups (I wouldn't buy any sopackage that I couldn't make backups from)
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202 On the other hand copying form the TV onto tape is a diffent matter ...
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203 here you run into the problem of
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204 copyright enfringement based entirely on the act of copying a program ...
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205 My point is based on the copyright laws the govern photography. Boiled down
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206 these laws state basically that a person that doesn't publish or exibit
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207 a photo has total control over any copying of it, but once the photo is
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208 published or exhibited the distributor of the photo also as the right to sell
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209 or distribute regardless of the person
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210 that originally took the photo. The distributor can grant license for copy
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211 and distribution. I contend that movies
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212 or programs that are 'published' over
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213 the air waves, or even better over cable, inherently carry a license for
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214 copy because you pay a fee to have that service in your home. The distributor
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215 has already payed the fees to the copyright holder in the form of
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216 rentals ect., which are passed on to
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217 you in your monthly billing.
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218 Boy I'm long winded today ...
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219 Paul
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220 ---------------------------------------------
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221 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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222 i just dropped in for a visit,Paul,yet it is nice to know
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223 someone out there knows my name......
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224 in response to using rcpm,I think it is long distance from me....
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225 noticed you follow a common misconception about computer soft:
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226 there are two (well,two COMMON) ways you get a program...
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227 1) you purchace a copy from the manuf.
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228 what does this mean? well,you can do
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229 anything you like with the program;run,load,
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230 purge,anything.....no LICENCE is implied,given
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231 or needed...yet if the program is COPYRIGHTED
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232 you cannot COPY (backup,what have you) the
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233 program (even if you paid $1000 for it and
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234 they gave you just one copy and all the other
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235 simple-minded arguments) UNLESS the manuf.
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236 GIVES you the right to (via LICENCE,special
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237 clause,etc....)
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238 note that MOST software for micros falls into category 1,
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239 and is copyrighted,and contains a waiver so you CAN (some
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240 don't!) make BACKUPS without violating the copyright
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241 note 2:they also should include a waiver so you can load it
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242 into your machine (leagly an Information Retrieval System)
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243 ,but if it came to court,undoubtedly you would win if you
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244 purchased the s-ware and loaded it without the waiver.
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245 (thats why I included load above)
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246 2) you purchace a LICENCE to use the software
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247 the licence includes (usually)
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248 a waiver of the copyright so you can load it
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249 and the same so you can back it up...
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250 and (this is (VERY) debatable) the "right" to
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251 run the software.....
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252 clear?
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253 smarter people out there:Did I make any major boo-boos?
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254 Aaron
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255 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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256 addendum:
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257 note that video-tapes fall into the SAME catagories!
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258 1) you purchace it for your own use and enjoyment
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259 or
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260 2) you purchace a LICENCE (you dont even get to keep the tape!!)
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261 so you can SHOW it (for money or otherwise) to others..
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262 a
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263 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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264 ~~~~little d: 1) I take no credit for any but the one-line tease on DB...that
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265 Altered States thing belongs to some other mentality.
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266 2) The 'first shoe' fell with the promise to re-call. Am I to settle back and
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267 think of you as not owning or not needing (*twinkle*) a second? DR
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268 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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269 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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270 | The Backwater Inn looks good on a 132 character screen. I hadn't realized how lucky you 132ers are. (Notice that I didn't
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271 | put my customary -_-_ border because it would've taken too long to type). You don't have to worry about other 132er's msgs
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272 | wrap around or stop at the end of your screen.Hint..................................................................Pioneer |
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273 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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274 <><><><><> Uhhhh,yea...........................................Aaron
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275 Orthoganal:having to do with right angles, rectangular (Webster's New World
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276 Dictionary, college edition 1968.
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277 Simple, huh? But that isn't what it means
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278 try "it looks the same no matter what side you look at", or for computers,
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279 "all registers can be used for the same, or all, purposes, and all act the
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280 same", or "isotropic", or better " a buzzword".
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281 The question of VCR recording of programs is not simply about VCR's but is
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282 a small facet of <who gets to require whom to do something> It is, of course
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283 very similar to audio recording, or computer program pirating, but is also
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284 abstractly the same as the previous question about school taxes, or the
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285 aguement about proper government. I feel the audio case should be followed,
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286 as it is closest, but... The lower court cases means little, you can always
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287 find a judge who thinks your way, or who has some certain quirk.
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288 AS to audio, it has been decided (at the "lower court" level) that commercial
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289 use of copyright material broadcast over the radio is legal if it is reproduced
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290 by a "standard home style radio" but not if fed into a PA system. Simple, huh?
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291 As to computer programs, I suspect I could be considered a pirate because I
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292 run CP/M on 2 computers, even if not at the same time, and some of the parts
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293 of both are the same. Does a "single machine license" imply 2 coupled machines,
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294 and what about, say, a Heath Z-100 with 2 processors? is it 2 machines?
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295 Does "personal use" include showing your family, or how about friends?
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296 (The laws on making wine allow giving it to your family, but not to anyone e
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297 else.)
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298 There is a solution, though: the same one that put most book pirates out
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299 of business, paperbacks. I suspect the proper owners of the programs in
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300 question could put them out for the same or less than the pirates. Note that
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301 the piracy rate is much higher for X-rated tapes than for the "cleaner" stuff,
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302 because the price is much higher, but the cost isn't (and the quality is often
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303 worse) I feel little pain for the seller of the "high priced spread" when it
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304 is copied, but until there is some reasonable answer I still can't condone
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305 pirates selling the stuff, even though I agree with " for personal use"
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306 ///////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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307 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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308 many thanks,BAD
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309 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>aa<><><><><>
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310 In regard to the program backup thing referred to earlier:
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311 The copyright laws have been ammended to deal with just that very thing.
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312 (I can see if I can dig it out again if anyone is interested) Specifically
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313 what it says is that you are allowed to make ONE backup copy of any
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314 program to which you hold licence to or use, and that if you return
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315 the program, then you must destroy the backup. Now the interesting
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316 part is that there is a hole in it. The hole is that you can make
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317 ONE backup for each version of the program you have. So if you modify
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318 it in anyway shape or form, you can make another backup and still be
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319 within the law. Now the interesting part is, does the license agreement
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320 that states that you cannot make any backups at all become completly
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321 null and void because it is obviously not in accordance to the law on
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322 the matter? This sort of thing has been known to happen before
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323 (Particularly if you have an expensive enough lawer).
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324 ***** CISTOP MIKEY ***** 26 AUG 83 *********************************
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325 Please look that up Mikey. I had read that you can make AS MANY
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326 copies ("for backup or archival purposes") as long as you destroy
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327 them if you sell OR GIVE AWAY etc, the program. This is supposedly
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328 what the FEDERAL copyright laws say. Most "licenses" are a means
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329 of trying to get you to give up your rights under the copyright
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330 laws. There could be some enforcement problems, but the software
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331 companies ALREADY as much legal protection as I feel is necessary.
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332 It is as too bad that they don't agree. I wish some "shifty-lawyer"
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333 who is also a hacker (if such exist), would find a way to use that
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334 "backups permitted" clause in the law to say that the ANTI-backup
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335 measures were illegal! (I'm dreaming, of course)
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336 _______________________________Leonard________________________
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337 ps Chris & Aaron: read the back of your TRSDOS manual. The license
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338 on there ALLOWS you to make backups. Read the rest though,
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339 interesting- no? As is standard practice, you "agreed" to this
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340 license by purchasing the package. From what I hear, the R/S
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341 agreement is one of the BETTER ones!
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342 ________________________________________________________________
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343 Pioneer: Do you ever use the FA command to search? Try it (FA Pioneer).
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344 Notice how 128- and 132-character lines clutter your screen? May I suggest
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345 that, for the sake of those using FA, you long-liners back up a few spaces?
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346 Thanks... Dave
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347 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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348 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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349 - Paul, I know what you said. I do obey software copyright -
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350 - laws to a certain extent. When I get my hands on a program, -
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351 - I make a copy of it and keep it for myself. I DO NOT GIVE -
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352 - It to ANYONE. I have at least 100 backups. I've copied my -
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353 - programs 1 after another for my personal use. If you stay -
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354 - local, software piracy is all right in my views. -
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355 - -
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356 - TRON -
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357 - Leonard, I see that the TRSDOS manaul states it's alright -
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358 - to make backups. But, take a look on the VERY back page! It -
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359 - states that the copyright allows no copying of this media. -
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360 - You may have a different manual than I do. I have a model I -
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361 - and you have a III. Oh well..... Computer mainia! -
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362 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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363 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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364 AS TO THE "RIGHTS" COMMENT, MUCH AS I WISH IT WERE OTHERWISE, WE HAVE NO
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365 RIGHTS OTHER THAN THOSE THAT ARE GRANTED TO US BY LAW. SO WE HAVE NO
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366 RIGHT TO COPY SOFTWARE (OR TO DO ANYTHING ELSE), BUT WE CAN MAKE
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367 DECISIONS AS TO THE ETHICAL OR MORAL ASPECTS OF WHAT WE DO. "RIGHTS" ARE
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368 AN INVENTION TO JUSTIFY WHAT WE WANT TO DO USING GOD'S (OR WHOEVER'S)
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369 NAME.
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370 RE. THE 40/80/128/132 COLUMN COMMENTS, DOESN'T THIS SYSTEM USE UP
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371 LINES QUICKER THE SMALLER THE COLUMNS THAT ARE USED? SO AREN'T 40 AND 80
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372 COLUMNS WASTEFUL (I SAY THIS AS I USE 80 COLUMNS).
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373 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM[][][]
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374 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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375 Me,own a TRSDOS manual? ha ha ha ha ha ha ......(ha!)...Aaron
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376 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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377 Yes, using 80 lines is somewhat wasteful. I display only 80 columns, though all
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378 ow the screen to wrap around when some idiot hasn't set the line length to 80.
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379 40 columns is even more wasteful! Since I have seen no systems that can't wrap around properly when used, I suggest that we al
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380 use 128 columns whenever possible.
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381 ************************************************************
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382 THIS WEEKEND HAMFAIR/COMPUTER SHOW
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383 PLACE IS MT HOOD COMMUNITY COLLEGE GYM
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384 THE ADMISSIOM IS JUST $2.00 ,12 AND UNDER FREE
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385 COME ONE COME ALL,DON'T MISS THIS. 9-6 SAT,9-2 SUN
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386 ***************************BOB******************************
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387 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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388 | What would happen if a software manafacturer put on their copyright notice: |
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389 | |
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390 | NO PIRATING! |
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391 | |
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392 | instead of a statement with all kinds of legal twists and stuff to try and |
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393 | take in all aspects of pirating. Then they let the judge decide what is |
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394 | pirating. Or, they could say: |
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395 | |
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396 | NO PIRATING AS DETERMINED BY US! |
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397 | |
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398 | Is this legal? .....................................................Pioneer |
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399 | |
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400 | TRON: Please don't use my border. It makes it hard for me to find where I |
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401 | left off. |
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402 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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403 you @#*% head. you erased my message again! You better not bring your
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404 system to the omsi computer fair like you did last year or you might
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405 turn around to find someone threw a wrench in your gears!
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406 -=-= You are Wrong, foul mouth! ALL of Backwaters' patrons censor you! -=-=
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407 YOU MUST BE ONE.........MESSR VULGARITY
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408 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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409 }[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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410 IF ALL YOU SAID WAS "NO PIRATING!" OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, THE JUDGE WOULD
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411 PROBABLY LAUGH AND THROW THE CASE OUT OF COURT DUE TO THE VAGUENESS OF
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412 THE WARNING. YOU MUST COVER ALL BASES, OR YOU USUALLY WIND UP LOSING
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413 WHEN IT COMES TO COURT. AND IF YOU SAID "NO PIRATING AS DEFINED BY THE
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414 MAKER" WITHOUT DEFINING PIRATING ACCORDING TO THE MAKER, IT AGAIN WOULD
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415 BE CONSIDERED TOO VAGUE. MY DEFINITION OF PIRATING IS COPYING SOFTWARE
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416 WHILE WATCHING ERROL FLYNN IN "CAPTAIN BLOOD".
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417 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][]
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418 Difference between copying software and videotaping TV programs:
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419 The TV comes into your home and all you need is the proper equiptment to
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420 detect/decode it. It would seem to me, that copying a TV program for your
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421 own use would present no problem - any anti-pirating law would be unenforceable.
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422 Software, on the other hand, must first be purchased and the person who
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423 allows his software to be copied is the pirate. Again, this is limited
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424 by the ability to enforce the 'Law'.
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425 ..........Grey Ghost.......................................................
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426 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26 Aug 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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427 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19:56 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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428 Excuse me, dear Mikey, I did not mean to ignore you in my greetings!
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429 We all take you for granted, I fear, amidst the merry banter that goes on.
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430 Coo ra--I do wish you would not attribute power to me, as if the gentle
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431 people were not present at your Inn before my step was heard! Your Inn
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432 is special in itself--and Mikey, do give yourself credit! It is neither
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433 the framework nor the ale that draws this most excellent class of beings:
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434 it is you, O Keeper of the Backwater, that keeps the spirit alive!
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435 You called me 'lady of your word'; do you doubt me, Dave? You would
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436 not want a voice full of apprehension, a coversation smattered with dead
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437 air & monosyllables, would you? Forget it, and one night when the full
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438 moon is in my eyes, I will be pacing the floor restlessly and espie a
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439 certain modular instrument, and remember. Is it enough?
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440 Apprentice, whom do you serve, and why? Must you fear his rage?
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441 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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442 OK, You asked for it, so here it is.. all the boaring details of the
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443 copyright law in question. (re: Leonards request above.)
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444 Section 7(b) of Pub. L. 96-517
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445 (b) Section 117 of title 17 of the United States Code is amended to read as
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446 follows:
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447 &117. Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs
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448 Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringment for the
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449 owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another
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450 copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
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451 (1) that such new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the
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452 utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that
|
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453 it is used in no other maner, or
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454 (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
|
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455 all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
|
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456 the computer program should cease to be rightful.
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457 Any exact copies prepared in accordance with the provisions of this section
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458 may be leased, sold, or otherwise transferred, along with the copy from which
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459 such copies were prepared, only as part of the lease, sale, or other transfer
|
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460 of all rights in the program. adaptation so prepared may be transferred only
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461 with the authorization of the copyright owner.
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462 There you go, now that I see it again, I am not really sure what it says
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463 exactly! One thing is for sure though it has more holes in it then a
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464 colander. Oh yes, the amendment was made December 12, 1980
|
||
465 ****** CISTOP MIKEY ******* 26 AUG 83 ******* 10:00PM ***************
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466 PAM: I would tend to agree with you, that in the end it is your own morals
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467 and judgment that determines what is theft to you. Society is just another
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468 individual with its own values. Of course as is true in anything, since
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469 society is bigger then you if it decides to kick you where it hurts most
|
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470 because it doesn't agree with your values, it is going to and can get away
|
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471 with it. In this world, it is the biggest entity that is willing to get
|
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472 involved that wins in the end.
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473 ******* CISTOP MIKEY AGAIN ******** 26 AUG 83 ****** 10:12PM ***********
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474 Milady of dragons, it is not that the entities we speak of are not here,
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475 it is only the form that the decide to take upon your entrance to this
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476 fair Inn that I speek of.
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477 ****** CISTOP MIKEY YET STILL ******* 26 AUG 83 ***** 10:16PM **********
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478 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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479 Come one, come all to the NEW CORKBOARD BBS at 654-xxxx.
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480 Just like this here system. We don't even have disks!!! If
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481 Adventure, then this is the place for you!!!!!!
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||
482 Stan & Van -- Your ever-loving sysops!
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483 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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484 If you want something to talk about, don't waste space on that
|
||
485 noxious druel like DRAGON LADY leaves. There is a place for
|
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486 that rubbish and it ain't here!
|
||
487 Come on!! Some of you people have BS, BA, MS, MA, Ph. D, MBA's!!!
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488 Can't we talk about something more interesting!!
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489 I even have an Associates degree and I think you people need
|
||
490 some Psychiatric help! And I'm not fooling!
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491 --------Get with the program or GET LOST!!-----NICK DANGER
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||
492 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
493 Nick Danger's comments need at least some reply. I find D.L.'s prose to be extremely welcome, and quite a relief from
|
||
494 the constant debate. What you seem to be saying is "be like me, or leave". It sounds as if you could use a good dose
|
||
495 of tolerance. If you don't like her messages, then skip over them or close your eyes. But please don't attempt to
|
||
496 deny her poetry to us. To use your own words, "Get with the program, or GET LOST!!"
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||
497 /Elberich\ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
498 It is indeed a pleasure to have Aaron contribute to this multitude of techno'
|
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499 world of communication. This is where it ALL is...telecommunication...
|
||
500 Nice to see you back!
|
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501 The sysm....
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502 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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||
503 d: In the words of Nashville,"...you're gonna' miss me when I'm gone." Don't
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||
504 s'pose you'll like my Phone-mate, either. Don't too many full moons pass us all by? Dave
|
||
505 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
||
506 Nick;
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||
507 I for one have both a B.S. and an M.S.(The BS is in Pysch by the way),
|
||
508 and I find DL to be entertaining and refreshing...Even the most hardcore
|
||
509 realist has to take time out from the "Real World" occasionally to recharge
|
||
510 his batteries and get in touch with themselves. Intelligent conversation is
|
||
511 great, but occasionally a little escapism is in order. If not you are headed
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||
512 for a heart attack or ulcer down the road...Everybody has to let out what is
|
||
513 inside their soul; whether it is through drinking, drugs, hobbies, or athletics.
|
||
514 In DL's case it's poetry; poetry that obviously has caught the imagination of
|
||
515 many here...I wish I was gifted with her talent for writing.
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516 So sit back and enjoy it; you must admit it livens up the place.
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||
517 DP
|
||
518 ****************************************
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||
519 P.S. Aaron: Welcome back, I was wondering if you deserted the Inn for goo
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||
520 ************************
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||
521 ---------------------------------------------
|
||
522 so's what, that's the term you bet, so's why you do what you do. LD the light so why you know do you'al dip the airw'vs
|
||
523 n' b'n th' l'dy 'nd if I 'm get'ng thr'o t' any on' ma'be the' wil' un'er
|
||
524 stan' ho' tir' I get of wor's that hav'
|
||
525 fun'y lit'le puncuat'ncle m'rks it. If you wish to speak cut the the drivel and and at least TRY to speak like
|
||
526 someone that has more than a thimble full of gr'y m'tt'r.
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||
527 Paul
|
||
528 ----------------------------------------------
|
||
529 Ok 'DB'ers where are you?
|
||
530 ...........................................
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||
531 PAM where are you? where is everybody? boy this place is quiet and
|
||
532 lonely. I guess I'll go back to drive A it may be inane, but at least
|
||
533 there is some activity there. ++++++ The Silent One ++++++++++++++
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||
534 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
535 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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536 @@ Computer phreak; wishes to meet phreakess; object: phreakettes. @@
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||
537 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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||
538 Lonely I'm so loney here on drive B all alone...
|
||
539 .........................................................
|
||
540 All this extra space on this disk, and nobody is using it. What's
|
||
541 wrong out there? Cat got your terminal?
|
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542
|
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543 @ XENON @
|
||
544 I'AM HERE!
|
||
545 @@@@@
|
||
546
|
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547
|
||
548 NOTICE
|
||
549 THE OFFICIAL
|
||
550 BORDER OF
|
||
551 @ XENON @
|
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552 IS /Z/Z/Z
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||
553 /Z/Z/Z/Z/ XENON
|
||
554
|
||
555 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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556 Is anyone familiar with a local BBS
|
||
557 called OARCS? It was listed in a
|
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558 directory on a BBS in California but
|
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559 the number is not correct. (Someone
|
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560 was rathar upset when I called them
|
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561 at 3:30 in the morning.
|
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562 Dirty Ol' Man
|
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563 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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