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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask......
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2 ********************* REMOVED: 3 AUG 83 ****************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25
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26 A new disk? A new disk!! Wheeee!!!! So come on, guys, lets have some real meaty concepts here. Whatever happened to
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27 the Inn, anyway? Burn down? Or have the barbarians overrun it?
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28 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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29
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30 Here's a subject for you. I recently purchased a copy of Datasoft's ZAXXON, and was VERY dissapointed. Not only didn't
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31 it come up to the arcade version, it wasn't even as good as the cover art implide. I realize that its hard to implimen
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32 a version as complicated as the arcade version (with a dedicated micro inside), but I feel that they shouldn't imply
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33 that the playfield will be crowded with objects, and then give me a barren, empty playfield in the game. Any comments?
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34 ===================================
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35 So what about the possibility that THREE phones are set up with call-forwarding
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36 in such a way as to form a ring? Or how about N phones, where N is a number
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37 greater than 3? Is call-forwarding recursive?
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38 If it is true that call-forwarding phone A to phone B can somehow cancel
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39 call forwarding from B to A, can a call be double-forwarded; i.e. from A to B
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40 to C?
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41 -------------------------------------
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42 Anyone out there every had any
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48
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49
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50 OOPS ...
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51 anyway .. any experience with the Turning Test for AI? Would this be considered a valid test in all instances? This really
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52 interests me, I'd like some feed back.
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53
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54 --------------------------------------
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55 ----------------------------------------
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56 IMPROBABLE BESTIARY:
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57 The Time Traveler
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58
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59 From Asimov Science Fiction.
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60
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61 Come on right in and we'll begin
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62 while I adjust the screen.
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63 For I'm the Chronic Argonaut,
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64 and here's my Time Machine.
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65 Just pick a place in Time or Space
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66 (Or somewhere in between)
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67 Sit back, and then we'll go Somewhen
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68 Inside my Time Machine!
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69
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70 Pick an era to suit yourself: visit your
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71 future self.
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72 See ancient Rome in its glory.
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73 You can breakfast with cavemen, or fly
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74 with the brave men
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75 who ride the first ship to Centauri.
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76 You can witness the flight of those
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77 brothers named Wright,
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78 You can fight an extinct carnivore.
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79 And enlist and enlist and enlist and
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80 enlist
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81 And enlist in the Hundred Years' War.
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82
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83 Come right in and we'll begin
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84 While I adjust the screen
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85 (Steady on a bit: I've said that
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86 alrady, haven't I?)
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87 For I'm the Chronic Argonaut,
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88 And here's my Time Machine.
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89 (Ah, hullo! I see the problem: we're
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90 stuck in a closed-loop dimensional
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91 continuum, and Time is repeating
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92 itself over and over again. How
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93 interesting.)
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94 Just pick a place in Time or Space or
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95 Time or Space or Time or Space or
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96 Time or Space or (Hmmmm, the time-
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97 stream appears to be doubling back
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98 on itself. Hand me that spanner
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99 wrench and stand back won't you?)
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100 Time or Space or Time or Space or...
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101 WHACK!
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102 Ah that's much better, thanks. Now,
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103 which time-stream are we in?
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104
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105 We'll have lunch with Rasputin and Sir
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106 Isaac Newton
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107 While sailing aboard the Titanic.
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108 We'll have dinner at one with Attila
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109 the Hun
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110 In the midst of the Stock Market Panic.
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111 We'll eat Dinosaur pie and a Dodo on rye
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112 While the maidens of Babylon serve us.
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113 (I'm informed that Jack the Ripper is
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114 quite a good tipper,
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115 But makes all the waitresses nervous.)
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116
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117 Come down the hatch and close the latch
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118 while I turn back the clocks.
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119 We're off to reach Infinity; next stop
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120 is Paradox!
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121 If anyone wants the Renaissance
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122 Or the early Pleistocene
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123 Or One Million A.D., they can travel
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124 with me
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125 Inside my Time Machine!
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126 ----------------------------------------
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127 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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128 Also taken from Asimov Science Fiction:
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130 Everybody knows how widely bamboo is used in the Orient, for a thousand
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131 different things, but few are aware that it is the fastest growing of all
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132 woody-stemmed plants. In some areas such as Sri Lanka it can grow at a rate
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133 of 16 inches in a single day, often reaching a height of more than 100 feet.
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134 If the tip of a bamboo stalk is viewed through a power microscope, you can
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135 actually SEE it grow!
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136 It was near the middle of the twenty-first century that Professor Mitsu
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137 Matsu, a Tokyo geneticist, succeeded in engineering a new bamboo species
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138 that he called Fibonacci bamboo because of its remarkable way of growing.
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139 Not only did it grow at a steadly accelerating rate, but the rate conformed
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140 precisely to what mathematicians call a generalized Fibonacci sequence.
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141 "Yes," said Dr. Matsu one sunny afternoon to Dr. Beatrice Mince, a vi-
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142 siting geneticist from Philadelphia, "each day's growth is exactly equal
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143 to the growth of the two preceding days. If a stalk grows A feet the first
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144 day, and B feet the second day, the third day's growth of C feet will equal
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145 A plus B."
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146 "And the fourth day the growth will be B plus C?" asked Dr. Mince,
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147 gazing in wonder at the tall hollow "trees" that were sprouting in the dense
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148 bamboo forest through which they were strolling.
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149 "Exactly. Every twenty-four hours the growth for that period is pre-
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150 cisely the sum of the growths on the preceding two days. Fortunately,
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151 when a stalk reaches a height of about five hundred feet, it stops growing."
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152 "I know that Fibonacci sequences are involved in the growth patterns
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153 of many plants," said Dr. Mince, "but this is really fantastic." She reach-
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154 ed out to touch a bamboo joint that was making a faint humming sound. She
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155 could feel it vibrating. "How much will this stalk grow today?"
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156 "One hundred feet," Dr. Matsu replied.
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157 "And when did it start to grow?"
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158 "Six a.m. last Sunday. Today is Saturday. By tomorrow morning at six it
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159 will have grown for exactly one week."
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160 "How much did it grow on the first and second days?"
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161 "I don't recall," said Dr. Matsu. "Different strains of Fibonacci bamboo
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162 grow at different rates during the first two days. I'll have to check my
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163 records."
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164 "This presents us with a pretty problem in number theory. Assume that
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165 the seven integers that represent the stalk's growth, on each of the seven
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166 days, form the longest possible Fibonacci chain that ends in 100. Assume
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167 also that the second day's growth exceeds that of the first day, and that
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168 each day's growth is an integral number of feet. You now have all the
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169 information you need to determine how many feet the stalk grew on the first
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170 day and on the second day.
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171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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172 Ok you guys...Go solve the problem.
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173 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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174 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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175 "Turning"? if you are going to play hardball,at least wear a mit....
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176 if anyone else (who at least knows of which they speak)
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177 wants to have some action (lets stay away from old Martin
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178 G. Mathmatical games and I.A's sci-fi mags) I am ready and
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179 willing to participate...............
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180 Aaron
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181 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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182 (much later......)
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183 is Paul Abbus out there........or maybe he's the one with
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184 the strange spelling.........contact requested...............
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185 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>Aaron<><><><><><><><><><><>
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186 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ right on the spelling ... wrong on
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187 the mit ... what y'u got aaron ... PA
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188 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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189 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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190 the SUNDAY TRADER BBS
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191 652-xxxx
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192
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193 will be On-line SUNDAY for 24hrs.
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194 Fearuring: Downloads for the Atari (you'll need an Upload).
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195
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196 What happens if you take Input from the Modem and put it in Operating System
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197 RAM? Well that's what happend on AMIGO- SUNDAY last week. In some ways last
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198 week was a success (installation of a 1200 baud Modem and auto-Baudrate)
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199 But the Input bug didn't allow anyone to really appreciate it. Now AMIGO-
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200 SUNDAY has a new name and a new format- try it.
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201 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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202 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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203 paul? (^) is that you?
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204 if so...I have heard some reports of intelligence from nw/bbs
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205 users generaly pointing in your direction....is this,at least,somewhat
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206 accurate?if so how 'bout a little "put up your gray matter and fight"
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207 discussion....any rational subject....but im here for content ,not
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208 form................................................Aaron
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209 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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210 ----------------------------------------aaron-
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211 OK ... your pick or mine. I lean
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212 toward comm. protocols, AI (as you
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213 are aware), robotics in general ...
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214
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215 what do you do besides the boards?
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216 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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217 A.I.,please........i get enuf comm.prot and robotics at work...
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218 besides the boards,you mean there is something other than the boards?
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219
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220 wellll.....graphic controllers....sound synthesis....math theory....
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221 ......c64 trend-setting.........sci-fi hobnobbing.....et cetra and misc..
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222
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223 Aaron
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224 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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225 how do i know you are P.A.,well if you can type it dont matter....
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226 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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227 ----------------------------------------Aaron:
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229 Your on a c64 to, I've had mine about a month ... I really like the box. My background is pretty in the larger mainframe are
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230 I've been interested in mics <> 8 months ( as far as internals go ).
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232 "A.I., please ...." sounds like a negative so I'll pass on that.
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234 Graphics contollers - good one
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236 Music synthesis - interesting
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238 Math theory - its been a long time since I've even been around anyone that knew that this one exists
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240 & c64 - do it
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241
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242 PA
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244 oops....no,really,AI is good for me.....its that other stuff i get enuf of
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245 Aaron
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246 what kind of mainframe?
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247 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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248 please dont go past col 75,my term dosnt wrap...
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249 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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250 -------------------------------
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251 Aaron- IBM 370/4331 DOS/VSE
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252 and I'm coming to the conclusion
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253 that mainframes are a daed end.
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254
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255 Paul
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257 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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258 IBM 370,hmmm i have no experience with that unit,
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259 but something with a similar instruction set (down to the
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260 SVC's) interdata (perkin elmer).......
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261 did you accept AI?if so the first round is yours........
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262 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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263 i am of the opposite opinon:mainframesa (actually minis) we be the
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264 only survivors of the tecno-onslaught to come..
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265 but im not willing to discusss the relative merits of main/mini/micros
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266 to each other ......bring on the AI!
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267 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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268 does any one out there speak english?
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269 break
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271 Aaron-
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272 Was out for more potables.
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273
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274 AI ... well, I'm not sure that the
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275 tacks we are taking in the research
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276 that I've read about so for are go-
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277 ing to lead us to the ability to deter-
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278 mine if we are dealing with an alien
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279 intelligence ... are tools present
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280 to know it if we have it?
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281 Will the uncertanty principle come
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282 into play in the determination?
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283
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284 Paul
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286 To: Art From: Bob I nead to talk to you about the Ham/Computer-show.
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287 We nead to nail down what the computer people nead for space.
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288 And any thing special they may nead . Please call ASAP.
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289 Bob
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290 **************************************************************
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291 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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292 ----------------------------------------Aaron:
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293 I'll try again around 10:30-11:00
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295 Paul
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296 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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297 yes,but (classical,eh?) is it necessary to define what is
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298 artificial intel? If a system functions in such a way that
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299 it preforms,why bother labeling it?As for the UnPrin,i doubt
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300 that,strictly speaking,quantum mechanics will have much to do
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301 with it;yet on a more friendly level,it is possible that in setting
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302 the measurment criteria,we make it impossible to determine the
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303 "meta" criterion of being truly "inteligent".......Aaron
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304 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
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305 MODE
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306 HELP
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307 LIST
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308 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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309 Oh mighty innkeeper, what has happened to the Backwater?
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310 It seems to have been taken over by a group of people who have no more
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311 interest iin the poetry of life...
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312 My absense has been longer than I had wished, but i sit in this
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313 unoccupied place, oorder one of your finer ales, and ask of the events of
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314 the past month. What has happened to my old friend, Lady d? I presume she
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315 has left on her journey long ago. And is Grey Ghost still a patron.
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316 Ahh... I have finished my ale (I drink quickly), and am off to the
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317 night. I shall drop by for a longer visit later, perhaps?
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318 Lest I forget, I must also ask of the whereabouts of the Amazon. I
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319 should like to hear her voice, also.
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320 Akonis
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321 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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322 ----------------------------------------Aaron:
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323 Meta-criteria? Thats saying the
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324 "criteria-criteria" - this larger
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325 scope is some what baffling - please
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326 elaborate ... also true in the strictist
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327 sense QM doesn't apply (without saying)
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328 but the idea of a subjective observer
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329 is still valid I think.
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330 Paul
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332 Also to Akonis:
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333 Being a new user on this board I
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334 personally have nothing the "poetry
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335 of life" as a matter of fact its one
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336 of my favorites ... I an trying to learn the tastes of the new group of
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337 people I an dealing with ... please
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338 return me something ....
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339
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340 Paul Abbus
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351 -> Only 2 lines left
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353 *********************************************************
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354 UP 15
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355 ZAXXON -- I RECIEVED MY COPY AND IT WORKS AND LOOKS GREAT..
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356 I HAVE HEARD THAT OTHER VERSIONS ARE NOT SO HOT.. THE ATARI FOR ONE.. I'M
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357 USING A 64K TRS-80 COLOR AND NO COMPLANTS
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358
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359 WHATS GOING ON HERE? THE ABOVE CREAP SURE SHOULD HAVE HIS TERMINAL
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360 TRASHED!!!!!! FOUL MOUTHS AND FOUL MINDS DON'T BELONG ANYWHERE THAT IS
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361 PUBLIC.
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364 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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365 yes,as if we ever determin a system to be artif. intel.,we will
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366 have deifned all the various things that we will use a criteria;does
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367 it remember x,did it do the yyy,can it zzz,when we have finaly establish
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368 ed what is inteligent behavior,we may have ruled out,by our own definiti
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369 ons,what is truly (truly! maybe that strange concept of perfect,golden,actual,is
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370 what im looking for instead of truly....some philosopher had something
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371 to say about the scuzzy image of things we had here on earth,and their
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372 reality,which was just a concept of that object perfected....well truly
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373 will have to do)inteligent!
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374 Aaron
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375 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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376 ********************************************************"**j****j*****
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377
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378 To:Bob From: Art
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379
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380 Subject: Ham Fair
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381
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382 Will have to be the evening of 07/31/83. We will be gone for the
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383 afternoon. I will call you. Hope you can survive? ok ?
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384
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385 ********************************************************************
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386 ***************************************************************
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387 To ART From: Bob
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388 Subject: Ham Fair
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389 Ok Art I Will be looking for you then,I guess
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390 that explains why I haven't ben able to get a hold of you on
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391 the radio or phone. I hope you and Rose stay cool. I was told
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392 you went running in our minney Heat wave yesterday. I think
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393 you nead your head examined.
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394 Bob.
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395
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396 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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397 -_ ATTENTION DRAGON LADY!!!!! Are you going to go to the _-
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398 -_ CBBS Pizza Party? If so, yipee!!! If not, go anyway. I'd _-
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399 -_ Like to meet the brain behind the words _-
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400 -_ _-
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401 -_ Tron _-
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402 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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405 ----------
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406 If you have a TRS-80, you will see weird things happen
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407 -----------------uuuuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuguguhguhguhgubarf!
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408 ----------------------------------------Aaron:
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409 I'm not sure I understood all that, what I
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410 think your getting to is that if a criterial for intelligence is
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411 determined, that the criteria may says
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412 that as a specie we aren't. That seems
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413 a bit like "the tail wagging the dog"
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414 to me.
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415
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416 Paul
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418 OK, I like the idea of AI. However, lets please stay away from the
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419 philosophical dead end loop of "it can't be defined because we don't
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420 now what it is!" We have come a long way since Turing posited his famous
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421 "if we can't tell he difference, there is none" test. For one thing, we
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422 now know a lot more about how we as humans think. The current definition
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423 runs to something like "capable of appropriate action, in situations not
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424 previously defined." In other words, it can figure out what needs to be
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425 done, rather than your standard program that is totally prewritten. It
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426 could be a learning or a computing machine. Our current knowlege of human
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427 thought says we are not very good computers, instead we are very good
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428 remembers. We have what is called content adressable memory, in that we
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429 compare what we experience now with what we remember, and we remember
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430 things not by address like a computer, but by searching for similarities.
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431 The Turing test isn't so much a test of the computer trying to pretend
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432 it is a person, as a test of our own tendency to assume more than we see.
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433 A computer that lied, and a person that lied could be hard to tell apart,
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434 not because the computer was as good at lying as the person, but rather
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435 that the person could seem to be a good lying computer.
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436 Real AI can't be put on a micro, not because the micro isn't smart enough,
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437 but because it can't access enough memory. Eliza seems pretty smart until
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438 you ask it "who is the president of the USA?" The rules that the working
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439 AI programs use aren't very dificult, they are only very numerous; humans
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440 process these rules in parrallel (sp?) computers must do it serially, but
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441 they are much faster at each step. Human sight, for example, involves
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442 the eyes not only as detector of light, but also in complex comparisons
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443 and data reduction (The eyes detect lines, edges, etc by themselves).
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444 This is done by millions of cells, all working at the same time.
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445 Computers, on the other hand, build an array and work through it one cell
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446 at a time. This may be more accurate but even with the fastest computers
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447 is MUCH slower that the human eye.
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448 It seems very unlikely to me that we will see (at least in the near future)
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449 a computer that seems to think like a person, however, we will soon see
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450 computer programs that are inteligent in their own way.
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451 Now for the $64,000 question: when this computer program comes on line,
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452 is it a "person", does it have rights, should it be able to vote, can it
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453 be turned off (or it this murder?)? Which leads directly to the next part
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454 of the question: who is a person, who should be able to vote, who or
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455 what has rights? Geneticists beleive that a cross between a human and
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456 a chimpanzee might survive, and perhaps even be fertile. Is this a person?
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457 AI doesn't just refer to machines made of silicon and steel.
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458 /////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\jul 31,,1450 pm\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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459 As evening fell, the traveller crested a hill and looked down into
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460 a broad deep valley, with a river winding it's way to the sea in the
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461 distance. Far below him he could see the lights of the Inn through the
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462 trees. He paused to enjoy the scene, but soon pressed on toward the
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463 beckoning light of the Inn.
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464 Darkness comes quickly here in the forest, but the sound of merriment
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465 lured him on, and soon he entered the Inn. He laid his pack in the
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466 corner farthest from the fire, and spying an empty table nearer the
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467 fire, sat down to rest and sup.
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468 The innkeeper could see he came from far off by his clothes, so as
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469 well as offering him food, also inquired as to his origins and
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470 destination.
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471 The traveler's tongue seemed to wind around itself as he spoke, but
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472 all who could hear him understood. "I come from far away, and
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473 travel to distant lands. No, I cannot tell you where I go, or
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474 why. Though my mission is important, and I desire your hospitality, I
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475 cannot speak of it. Now, though, may I sup? And, a tankard of your
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476 famous ale!"
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477 The Inn fell quiet for a moment, but the strange hint of
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478 darkness soon blew away, and the sounds of laughter and arguement that
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479 had prevailed before soon returned.
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480 A feeling of inquiet filled the innkeeper when he looked at the
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481 newcomer, but when he saw the cat accept the man, and a snack from his fingers,
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482 then jump into his lap, he knew that no harm would befall them this night.
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483 .................................................................
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484 In at least some systems, the call forwarding doesn't 'take' unless the
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485 number you forward to answers, it will be impossible to close the loop;
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486 to make it even more interesting, in some systems if A is forwarded to
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487 B, and B forwards to C, the calls from A are not carried along, but in
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488 other cases they are. In other words, don't expect a simple, specific
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489 answer for a question with more than one answer.
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490 {{{{{{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}ring
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491 I AM BACK...I HAVEN'T MISSED MUCH ON DRIVE B.
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492 I HAVE SOME 68008'S AND A 68000 MICROPROCESSOR IN MY DRAWER NOT BEING USED.
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493 I WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT TIMING SEQUENCES FOR
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494 THE CONTROL LINES. DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHONG ABOUT THESE GREAT 16/32 BIT
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495 PROCESSORS FROM MOTOROLA???
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496
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497 THE SYSM.
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498
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499 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*
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500 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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501 sysm: there not so great........
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502 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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503 not at all,what i am saying is that the crteria for "intelligence"
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504 needs to be separated from the criteria for "functionality"....we
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505 (and to you also BAD,(ps call me please))tend only to define
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506 systems as ai if they can answer questions or move blocks
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507 around or that ilk..................Aaron
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508 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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509
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510 **** FOR SALE ::::
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511
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512 NEW IN THE BOX WITH WARRANTY INTACT
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513 USED TWICE BUT TOO SLOW FOR APPLICATION
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514
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515 >>> HAYES STACK 300 SMARTMODEM <<<
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516 ...$ 175.00... BRUCE TABOR
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517
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518
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519 -----------------
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520 re the AI comment of system off/murder: if that part of the operating system and memory that defined the personality
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521 was ROM rather than RAM and retained its integrity without power, and RAM was used entirely for storage during logical
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522 operations and reasoning, there would be no "murder". The individual would return when power was restored.
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523 -----------------
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524 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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525 would it realy? what if I could push a "cold start" button on
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526 you that would erase all the current CHEMICAL patterns in your
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527 brain (RAM) yet would keep all the phisical connections (Rom),when
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528 you "came back on line" you would certainly exist...but you would
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529 be different had not we puched the button at all.....Aaron
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530 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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531 "a" individual would return...but would it be "the" individual ?
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532 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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533 -----------------
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534 You're begging the question. The postulate is ALL memory of the computer will be stored as non-volitle ROM.
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535
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536 A cold start would return the individual to the point it was at when first powered up. Humans have 2 forms of memory
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537 too, long term and short term. Consider the long term as ROM and the short term as RAM. If the item is important enough
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538 , the human mind will convert it to long term memory. With the computer, one could consider this conversion as an
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539 EPROM burner. If important enough, it will be burned onto EPROM and stored permantly. Thus, when the computer is turned
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540 off, important events and items have been stored.
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541 Not only is the individual still the same, but it can learn and advance.
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542 -----------------
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543 THE MC68000 IS PROBABLY THE MOST ADVANCED SINGLE CHIP 16/32 BIT MICROPROCESSOR
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544 AVAILABLE (ASIDE FROM BIT SLICE PROCESSORS).
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545
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546 IT OFFERS:
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547
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548 1. 16 MEGABYTE DIRECT ADDRESS RANGE
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549 2. VERY EXTENSIVE COMMAND LIST (OVER
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550 A THOUSAND DIFFERENT INSTRUCTIONS)
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551 3. A WIDE RANGE OF SUPPORT CHIPS (ALL
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552 VERY HIGH SPEED ADVANCED LSI)
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554 4. VERY HIGH SPEED (32 BIT INTERNAL
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555 ARCITECTURE AT 8 MHZ IS DAMN FAST!)
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556 5. POWER APPROACHING THAT OF A MAIN
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557 FRAME COMPUTER.
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558
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559
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560 SO DON'T TELL ME THAT IT ISN'T SO GREAT!!! IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION!
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561
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562 THE SYSM.
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563
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564 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*
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565 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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566 rom and ram are not good representation of short and long
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567 term memory...it is infinitly more complex...yet not important here...
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568 in fact,it isn't the degree of "importance" that determines whether
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569 the short to long term conversion takes place....
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570 the point about "murder" is trivial...i will not discuss it further,
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571 except that in the future we may have laws preventing us from destroying
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572 AI systems,not on moral grounds,but that the information and structure
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573 they have achieved would be irreplaceable....
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574 lead on.....
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575 <><><><><><>
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576 sysm....
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577 not meaning to say you know not of which you speak,but
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578 have you ever participated in the design of anything
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579 68000 based?
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580 Aaron
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581 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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582 is anyone out there intrested in hp-3000s?
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583 or corvi? corvus(us?) (apple/pet/???)
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584 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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585
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586
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587 Wow! such verbousity! You guys have been active!
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588 one thing to consider, have you considered the
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589 difference between fixed intellegence as represented
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590 by computers, calculators, and books verses mutable intelegence
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591 as represented by us humans?
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592 **** CISTOP MIKEY (OR IS IT MEMOREX?) **** 1 AUG 83 **********
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593 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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594 MIKEY MY CRT SHATTERED!
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595 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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596 ---------------------------------------
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597 Aaron: Boy its been hard to get in to the Backwater!
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598 There seem to be about four different
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599 discussions going one here, so I'll try to pick the one that seemed closest from
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600 last time.
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601 The point was made that the reason the Machine rather then the Program could not
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602 be considered intelligent was because
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603 of serial processing ...
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604 well if thats the case then the 5th generation project should definitly get
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605 use closer to an machine based AI.
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606 As far as "machine death" is concerned, my opinion is that if you have a process
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607 by which ALL the memory of the machine could be stored, you couldn't kill it ...
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608 as a matter of fact isn't that one of the aurguments for the research into AI, having an 'eternal intell.'?
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609
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610 Paul
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611 ----------------------------------------
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612 ARTIFICIAL INTELLEGENCE!! who needs it.....i shure doughn't
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613 and I kno ewe doughn't ether...
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614 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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615 yes,i agree about the "death"
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616
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617 I dont think that AI is limited to non serial processing machines,
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618 if we can do it on a conc. machine,we can do it on a serial.
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619
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620 what point were you making about the unc prin?
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621 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>Aa,<><>><
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622 The Turing test was propsed to get around the problem of
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623 defing "intelligence". However it also has the advantage of not
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624 necessarily being as anthropocentric as the ideas suggested
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625 above.
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626 A computer doesn't have to "think" the same way we do
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627 to be intelligent does it? I suspect that there may be more
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628 than one kind of "intelligence". To quote the late John W.
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629 Campbell: show me something that thinks AS WELL AS a man, but not LIKE a man! ......Leonard
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