textfiles/messages/ALTERREALITY/ar33.txt

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 09:14:21
Message Number  7301

Incohearent hum I thought that I was relating rather well the events
that occurred. Could it be that you are looking for a quick fix
There isn't any. I am presenting a long trm statement with a twist.
I have explained the twist several times to you but you seem to 
get lost. Today I recapped the statements of last week for you.
Why don't you say something so that I can straighten out your delema
with Sam.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:28:56
Message Number  7302

I have over three-hundred albums...all the Floyd stuff, and then some...
Music is funny...I remember when trading albums was cool.  The only
problem was, the next morning, you were slightly upset when you realized
they have your WALL, and you got their BEATLES in exchange....:)  
ANyhow, I'll read the e-mail....
           The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:34:06
Message Number  7304

SEX THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN SEXUAL RREPRODUCTION CAN BE EQUATED WITH
SODOMY....
       Gee, what planet are you on?  You must have an awful lot of
children...I know I don't have sex for the sole purpose of bringing a
child into the world...I have sex to express my love, and for pleasure, 
but I guess you consider that sodomy, too.  DO you know what the 
definition of sodomy is?  I think NOT.  
      Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged, lists :
        sod'om-y, N.  any sexual intercourse regarded as abnormal....
Well, you seem to regard any form of sexual intercourse as "dirty", am I
not correct?  It seems to me that you aren't having sex so often...
nowadays, people don't just have sex to produce offspring.  They have se
x  for many reasons...who are you to say which ones are right and which 
ones are wrong.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth.         
Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:43:00
Message Number  7305

Thanks, love...I'll try to stop by and pick them up...
               The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:45:49
Message Number  7306

This should be addressed to the SPECIALIST:
       As far as semen being digestable, well, shall we assume you have
never had oral sex?  Or shall we assume you act like an eighth grader 
"OOOOO...do you spit or swallow"...c'mon, grow up...semen is digestable,
just like apple juice, or in your case, probably BEER.
               The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:51:12
Message Number  7307

Thankyou...My cousin blew his brains out almost two years ago...he was
gay, and he had AIDS.  He worked in one of Sarasota's more prominent
restaurants...Michael's on East.  He had a severe allergic reaction to 
AZT, and was given a matter of months...he chose suicide, instead.  It's
very painful for me when someone says "if anyone in my family was gay, o
r  had AIDS, I'd disassociate with them".  My cousin and I were very 
close...and trust me, if you were in the position, and you weren't a 
complete bigot, you'd change your mind....I can be a very cold person
(ask my boyfriend), but I cannot be a bigot.  There is a difference.
Until you are put in a position where you have been assaulted or lived
with AIDS, I ask you to tolerate.  You've no reason to breed so much 
hatred.  Gays are people, too...just like you and I.  They have hearts, 
and very strong wills.   You've no right to even WANT to take that 
away from them.
               Black Magic
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:02:03
Message Number  7308

I am not cute....now stop that!  I miss you though...can't wait until
the 27th...
           The LAdy
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:04:54
Message Number  7309

I've nothing wrong with what your ideas are.  I'm at a loss for words,
what you wrote was really nice...I'm not going to respond.
        The Lady
 :)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: yupper         
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:06:43
Message Number  7310

Aside from sickness, yes, everythings okay....I'm having trouble lately.
I'll leave you e-mail...
    The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:12:05
Message Number  7311

Their is a time and a place for laughter, my friend.
        The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:12:45
Message Number  7312

Would you like a gardening assistant?
        The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:22:52
Message Number  7313

I have no desire to be blonde.  I want to get rid of my reddish 
highlights...they don't belong in black hair.  QED!
         The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:24:02
Message Number  7314

I rather like that statement, too....I know, I know.....
        ;)    The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:25:16
Message Number  7315

NOT TRUE!  Rufus WILL EXPLODE!  You see, I know this...don''t even 
think about questioning me on this one! 
     :>
          The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:32:28
Message Number  7316

Forget it, dear...the man is into Ns's completley....if he could keep
his train of thought maybe he could hold a semi-intelligent conversation
.....
        The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: downloading    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:34:51
Message Number  7317

SUNTAN...if you could hold out until somewhere around the latter half of
the month, I think I might be able to come up with a manual....
          Black Magic ( The Lady )
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: ZIP            
Date & Time: 08/06/90 13:19:39
Message Number  7319

I, too, may be able to locate a manual for you although some of the read
ing in these manuals is BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a couple of days, 
OK?  You will need PKZ102.exe to unzip your files.  I downloaded from
The Cutting Board, a very nice local BBS, also.  753-5202.  Have fun and
remember unzip and zip (to upload).
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:24:06
Message Number  7320

>>  Sam...needs an answer...
 
> Okay, the answer is 42.
 
  I concur, but I don't think Mike  will get it... Rest assured, though,
Mike, 42 IS the answer.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:26:58
Message Number  7321

> How can anyone be /afraid/ of knives...
 
  Everyone who has ever showed me one has weilded it in a disturbing 
fashion. I don't like it when they do it becuase I don't like it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:32:05
Message Number  7322

> Ken you are the only dude I know who has a two part handle.
 
  What about The Specialist or Zot Gnop?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:33:28
Message Number  7323

> you realized they have your WALL, and you got their BEATLES in excange
 
  Grrr... Is their an inbred hated towards the Beatles on this board??
  Alright, I've never really listened to The Wall, but the Beatles stuff
is good, very good. Unless you are listening to stuff from 1962 to 1965,
then it's just slightly above average. I like it, but it wasn't majorly 
creative.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 15:49:56
Message Number  7324

When I was still a newlywed, and worked three jobs, my wife asked for
a poodle to keep her company.  I saw an ad in the paper one day and went
to see this poodle that was for sale.  I rang the doorbell, the door 
opened, and this poodle ran out and pissed on my foot.  "Gee, she's
never done that before." they all said.  Now, six years later, when you
visit the house of the Yngling you have to dance when you first arrive
because the damn thing still tries to piss on the feet of anyone who
rings the doorbell...of course it comes in handy when the God Squad or
the Avon lady shows up uninvited...:>
                             The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:09:02
Message Number  7325

Dearest Lady -
>Their is a time and a place for laughter
Always and everywhere
>,my friend.
Thank you.
               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:18:27
Message Number  7326

Beatle,
Unfortunatley there are many to whom a knife or a gun is in fact a
phallic symbol used to hide their own feelings of inadequatecy (SIC?)
- ghod, I hate it when I spout psychobabble but in this case its true -
but the art of making and weilding edged weapons is a time honored one
and shouldnt be the source of the fears you have described.  An asshole
is an asshole whether he has a knife, a gun, or nothing in his hand.
   Maybe some day someone will teach you a little about the martial
arts and you'll overcome this fear you have.
                                   The Yngling
P.S. to Turtle:
   Amen to your comments re: katana.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:25:07
Message Number  7327

What about me? Sure leave The Yngling out......sniff.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 21:57:59
Message Number  7329

Even the best of points is lost if you relate it in a manner that's
incoherent, excessively verbose, or simply boring. Over the past
several weeks, I've read a whole series of messages from you about
Sam; so far, you've repeated over and over that (a) he got drunk,
(b) you like his chest; (c) he got drunk; (d) you put him on
a table; (e) he got drunk. It's taken you about a thousand words to
relate that much. If you have a point, please, get to it. I hardly
think the responsibility for my failure to grasp your point lies with
me.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:04:02
Message Number  7330

Sounds to me like you're afraid of the person holding the knife, not the
object itself. Without a person behind it, a knife is totally inert.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:04:59
Message Number  7331

>I like it, but it wasn't majorly creative.
 
"I wanna hold your hand, yeah, yeah, I wanna hold your hand....dribble,
 dribble..."
 
"She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah...
 dribble dribble snort..."
 
Nothing personal, but I've read more original material on the back of
cereal boxes. Beatles fanaticism baffles me just as much as Elvis
fanaticism.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Laughter...    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:08:09
Message Number  7332

BM>There is a time and a place for laughter.
Y>Always and everywhere.
 
Really? Like, say, at an execution, or while someone's drowning?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/06/90 23:10:51
Message Number  7333

> What about me? ...sniff.
 
  I only see one word above, but I'm sorry I left you out.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/06/90 23:12:24
Message Number  7334

 > Sounds to me like you're afraid of the person holding the knife...
 
   Yeah, that's proabably more correct. I need some doctor to eliminate 
my paranoia of people coming (or looking) into my house at night...that
always leads me to thoughts of knife-weilding maniacs breaking in and 
murdering my family...
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laughter...    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 02:59:02
Message Number  7339

It would depend on your mood and the individuals involved.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 08/07/90 03:57:34
Message Number  7340

HERE HERE!!!     I approve of your statement whole-heartedly and I 
applaud you on your free spirit and open mind.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 04:01:33
Message Number  7341

 I KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS!!!!!!      NAH NEE NAH NEE POO POO!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 04:06:13
Message Number  7342

Yes, it's true. I have seen the Beatles on my refrigerator and have 
alerted the Press. 
  
   
 
                      THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 08:40:16
Message Number  7343

You have heard of Turtle soup haven't you? He doesn't want to loose a fl
flipper.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 08:44:29
Message Number  7344

Sylvia likes his chest. I could care less. I do like kathy's chest
though.
As I stated before the repeat was because you asked me for it. Remember
 the statement that Said that you didn't6 understand. I repeated
the verse untill you did.
I believe that you now realize that I follow what you say with great
interest. If you or the other dudes do not request reviews or
comment to me I assume that you are ready for new sections. I should
not say it that way. Your feedback helps when it is constructive.
If I kill a line or a point tell me but otherwise cool it and I will
get done if that is what you want.
I believe that todays lines will shead a lot of light on just who
Sam is.
The young lady who asked for Sam the other day hung up to fast.
.s
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: greener grass..
Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:40:55
Message Number  7345

>my parents don't want me to mow out lawn when they're not home...
 
Well, you could get hurt from the lawnmower.  How?  I dunno.  I've been 
using mowers for sometime now, and the worst that's happened to me is
hitting a hill of red ants and blowing them all over my legs.  Ouch!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Bwoing!        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:44:44
Message Number  7346

>Perhaps some electric bagpipes???
 
ARRGGH!!!  My neighbor gives bagpipe lessons.  Lemme tell ya, it's not
a pretty sound.  The bagpipes can have a wonderful sound, but in the
hands of amatures, it's, well, shit.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:48:56
Message Number  7347

>Look, that remark [Exxon is 10 cents cheaper] was sarcastic when I said
>it.
 
No doubt, but pulling into the Exxon and buying the gas, well, that 
wouldn't fall under sarcastic.
 
>That's all it is with you, isn't it?  And I thought you were a nice 
>guy.
 
Me, nice guy, never.  I'm a nasty SOB, but you still love me.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:55:56
Message Number  7348

>I am not cute....now stop that!
 
Ohh, if you insist.  Adorable?
 
>I miss you though...
 
Yea, sure...no one misses me.
 
>can't wait until the 27th...
 
Oh, I can.  Nothing special this year except for Human Anatomy.  That'll
give me 5 sciences and 5 maths, and 4 English.  Not bad...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:00:47
Message Number  7349

>NOT TRUE!  Rufus WILL EXPLODE!
 
Ohhh, sometimes your so sweet to me.  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:02:24
Message Number  7350

>Everyone who has ever showed me one has weilded it in a distrubing
>fashion.
 
Aha, it's the person with the knife, not the knife.  I have a friend
who is pretty adept with a knife.  When he's using it, it doesn't bother
me.  Then there was the kid at my house who found our large knife set.
That scared me.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:04:42
Message Number  7351

I'd rather have a poodle piss on my foot than a Scottish Terrier 
bite my foot.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:08:21
Message Number  7352

>NAH NEE NAH NEE POO POO!!!!!!!!!
 
You, an uneducated mortal, trying to call Him.  It just won't work.  If
you'd like, I'd be happy to show you the full ceremony.  Just saying
the words won't do it.
 
Sheesh, some people!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHA CHA CHA         
Subject: ahC ahC ahC    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:13:53
Message Number  7353

     Great, I've got Mulligan asking me what a phagocytic index is. 
Hell, I don't even know what it is.  Now I've got Sam, the equivalent
of Kathy Ireland with a bad attitude, pissing Mulligan off.  Now my
shoulder's really hurting, and the smell of burnt cloth, wood, and
plastic is getting to me.  Neat, now I'm swaying back and forth, and
look, Sam has a twin.  So does Mulligan.  "Sam, dear, I'm going to pass
out."  Before I hit the floor, landing on my tail, I see a familiar
looking dwarf, who appears very irritated. 
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laughter...    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:14:10
Message Number  7354

If I were the one being executed damn right I'd laugh...and as for a
drowning - yes - after saving the victim, of course. There is NO time
when laughter is inappropriate - as long as you laugh for the right
reasons..........
                   The Yngling
"Joy is in the ears that hear."
          -Stephen Donaldson
           The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Incessant Whiner Whom
           I Hate To Quote But It Fit So I Really Had No Choice Ghod I
           Hate It When That Happens
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:18:48
Message Number  7355

My handle is THE Yngling (despite what the silly message heading says).
Apology accepted. :)
                    The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:22:14
Message Number  7356

>THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER
No shit. Ive tried Diazanon, I've tried moth balls, I cant kill the 
little buggers and theyre digging holes all over my lawn.  Its really
driving me crazy.
                  The Obsessed With His Lawn Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: RUFUS               
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:30:09
Message Number  7358

O.K.....ummmm...whats your point?  Did you actually /have/ a Scottish
terrier bite your foot or is this just an irrational fear you felt you
had to get off your chest (or foot as the case appears to be).
                               The Yngling
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:45:43
Message Number  7360

Thank YOU.
    The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:47:15
Message Number  7361

Why thank you, though I do feel I don't deserve any applause.  One
should not need to be applauded for an open mind, that should be thanks
enough.
        The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:51:44
Message Number  7362

:)  I am not adorable, either...I do wish you'd stop that...it's quite
embarrassing.
        I MISS you...and I CAN'T wait for the 27th
                   so there!
                               Lacey
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:52:49
Message Number  7363

Aren't I, though?  :>
     The Lady
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:32:12
Message Number  7364

TS>>The "predisposition" ...
TS>>>
T> Do you also make the same claim about oral sex...blah, blah, etc.
t>
 
  Nobody asked me that.  As a matter of fact, the only reason this 
whole thing started was that I called Bobby McFerrin a faggot.  Of
course, Donthen objected to the word "faggot" and then I posted a 
really rude letter about faggots, which conveniently got 'erased' in
a 'disk failure'.  
  I note that you didn't debate my point about whether or not that 
'predisposition' was the defect in question.
  
  Hmm.  I suppose there is something pretty gross about someone licking
someone else's genitals.   After all, that IS where urine comes from. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:38:03
Message Number  7365

TS>>Any sex that does not result in sexual reproduction...blah, etc.
TS>
T>A minor semantic quibble here, rather than a conceptual one ...
T>
True, what I meant was "that cannot result in"...I stand corrected.
And it is not minor, at all.  What do you mean 'semantic' as opposed to
'conceptual'?  Sounds like bullshit with no bearing on the conversation
at large...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real analogs   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:42:58
Message Number  7366

I see...so now you believe in consenting eggplants, right?  
And you missed the point, whether or not semen is digestable is 
more irrelavant that what I was saying; it was not meant to be eaten
as was eggplant.
T>Therefore, judging anybody on the basis of a stereotype is at best
T>risky and at worst does them--and you--a grave injustive.
 
Yes, I suppose judging *anybody* on the basis of a stereotype isn't
right. But if you wandered downtown Harlem (no offense, tyring to make
a point) and ran into a young b,Ock man who exhibited all the signs
of someone who might be apt to rob you (or a white, or chicano, or 
whathaveyou)  would you refrain from "judgement based on stereotype"?
Or would you walk up and introduce yourself?  "Hi, my name's Franklin,
but my freinds call me---oooph!"  (Man running away)
  
  So you can see that in all cases judging by stereotype isn't 
inaccurate (despite how "wrong
(SHIT!) it might be).   Besides, I don't like faggots anyway.  If
someone looks like a faggot and acts like a faggot, I don't want to
hang out with them anyway.  And I would be doing THEM a favor, too. 
What fag would want to hang out with a fag hater? And if they didn't 
act like that, I still would not want to hang with them, because I know
what they are really like.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:53:42
Message Number  7367

T>"Butt out."
Thank you.
T>Yeah, throw in Watts and we'd have three of a kind [need something, 
T>something] to beat us!
Or a loaded sixshooter.
T>Then again, if I were /not/ tolerant of other people's views, I 
T>almost certainly would have stopped speaking to you or associating 
T>you by now.
 
No, you wouldn't have, quite the contrary, you'd be on my side. You
wouldn't be able to tolereate homoperversity, in that case.
  
(Heheh...touche'.   Kind of a tricky logic to it, eh?)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Christian? HAH!
Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:59:09
Message Number  7368

AJT>People like you who are closed and center minded and think THEY are
AJT>ALWAYS right 
  "...Oooh!..."
AJT>...Make me sick...you know what I am getting at?
  
  No, but I know what you are GETTING.
  
Grrr.  Why am I posting to you?  You are sick, I shouldn't get upset.
I understand, and believe me, I feel sorry for you.    You have
my deepest sympathy.  I feel more sorry for you than someone who
has herpes.  At least someday they may find a cure for herpes.  Your
problem is psycological...can't be cured.  Never.  Poor guy (or gay).
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:08:43
Message Number  7369

B>Most people, however, who would be against homosexualit [sic] probably
B>have never met a homosexual.
  
Hmm...and I think the reverse true, also...ie, some people who aren't
against it may have never met one.  It sounds like a good point, but
that doesn't really prove anything.
 
I see at least you acknowledge my point...more people against than for;
regardless of how "ignorant" and "uninformed" we may be.
(Note that the words are in quotes, implying that I used someone else's
words...I don't think we are...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:13:05
Message Number  7370

B>Ha! And you talk about cheap shots.
  
Sorry, i was in a bad mood after being shot AT.  Remeber, I didn't
start it, I just fought back.  (Still not too bright to shoot at 
EVERYBODY.)  Mea Culpa.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:16:22
Message Number  7371

For the most part, I have already figured out your attitude.  With the
stipulation that it is a sickness, you are trying to understand, but
the other example you have given me;
B>mental illness, alcoholism, and things along those lines...
are not good examples.  Alcoholism can be treated, for one.  Mental 
illnesses, (depending on thier severity) can also be treated.  Obviously
alcohol abuse is not the norm, and equally obviously, mental illness.
Yes, they are still a part of society.  But suppose you ran a business.
Would you hire an alcoholic?  Or a severely mentally ill person?  I
don't think so, but is that discrimination?  
  
  And I don't think you have assumed my arguement...you are still 
defending.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:29:42
Message Number  7372

As far as the question you asked me (homos going hetero)...I get the 
impression that you are trying to prove that it is (or was) a matter
of choice.  It's kind of tricky, really.  Just because a person act
sane, doesn't mean that he is.  Let me correlate...a fag goes straight.
Is he still sick?  No one knows, except him.  Does he still think about
other men?  No one knows, except him.  The inclination to be homo from 
the outset indicates mental illness.  If by chance he totally manages
to go completely straight, then he can still be haunted by his memories.
He may be "cured" as an alcoholic reforms, but he still used to be sick.
  
TS>It does as far as sexual relations is concerned.
B>WHY!? Back that up!
   
It's very simple.  I will repeat what I have been saying all along.
It wasn't designed to go like that.  Square pegs in round holes...
such a simple concept...why is is to hard for you to grasp?  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:41:01
Message Number  7373

BM>Who left you in charge of morality?   (etc, etc)
No one.
BM>...you've no right, or logical reason to...
Right?  I have every RIGHT.  Logical reason?  Don't need one.
BM>...remember, AIDS isn't just a homosexuals [sic] disease..
No, not any more.  Not since those SICKOS spread it to normal people.
BM>When was the last time your life was threatened...sexual preference?
No, but I never threatened anyone. 
BM>Accept people for who they are..
Yes, I do.  And I don't accept them on the same basis.
BM>If you don't like them, [simple] STAY AWAY!
I do.  Consistenly.  
 
"Why waste your venomn on me, Princess?"   It cracks me up that you
the person who advocates rights for everybody, would deny me the 
right to express my opinion.  As far as logical reasons, I must admit
that hate is not a 'logical' emotion.  Of course it doesn't have any
logical reasons to back it up, other than what rationalizations the
person with the hate can come up with.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:56:19
Message Number  7374

BM>I see no reason for people to hate homosexuals...
Have you looked?
BM>...they have not inflicted pain upon you, why do to them.
I'll get back to that.
BM>This should really be addressed to all the assholes on the board.
BMI hate the way you look at a homosexual and want to destroy him. You 
BM>wonder why we're all so fucked up?  Ever stop and look at yourselves?
My, my a little touchy aren't we?  First time OTR?  Or what?  
1.  I don't want to "destroy" homosexuals.  I wish they could be helped.
2.  To whom do you refer in the collective term "we"?  Doesn't this 
    place you in your own category of 'asshole' by association?
3.  I have stopped and looked at myself.  I am aware that I fall way, 
    way short of what would be my optimum.  I am happy there. 
  
Oh, yeah, where do you get off saying that they've never inflicted
pain upon me?  How do YOU know?  Maybe someone close to me DIED as
result of something they did!!  I think maybe unless you know what you
are talking about FOR SURE then you shouldn't say "YOU".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Not heart      
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:09:40
Message Number  7375

In fact, I did.    (From one smartass to another, cheers!)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:11:00
Message Number  7376

BM>Your post does not deserve a response...it's a waste of valuable
  
(Thats moot)
 
BM>breath.
  
Then, why did you waste my time responding?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:22:13
Message Number  7377

BL>ANTI
 
Well, thanks for the support, and I hope that you have your OWN opinion
and haven't picked up somone elses.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: DOS 3.3        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:24:09
Message Number  7378

Turtle, I thought you knew MuSh-DOS!  Xteve, the proper command 
(depending on who made your DOS) is:
  
device = driver.sys /d:1 /c /f:2
  
All that other garbage was put in your DOS manual for the express 
purpose of confusing you.
At least, I think so. 
  
Or you could use driveparm (if it's part of your software) the 
same way...I've found versions which don't use it or won't recognise
it.  The command above sets up your 3.5 as another device, drive
C: or D: depending on whether or not you have a hard drive...it makes 
it the last drive in the system.  You hav eto use this designation when 
formatting, but otherwise treat it as an ordinary B: drive. 
You probably already have set it up but I had to refute Turtle...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:34:12
Message Number  7379

Well, now, waitaminute.  I never said that I didn't believe in God.
I am sure that there is a God, by circumstancial evidence if nothing
else.  I don't say that it's YOUR God, or any one elses.  (Thier HAS
to be a God, all these things that are could not have been simply 
by chance...about as much chance as me throwing a truckload of lumber
out into the universe and it coming together to form a house...not 
bloodly likely.)  
  So, I think there is a God...but I don't KNOW that all this h
hullaballoo that all the Christians or Jews or any other religion 
offers up is really going to impress him.  I don't KNOW that the
books you offer as 
(dyslectic keyboard) proof of 'God's word' are actually God's word.
(Hell, they were written by men!  Don't give me that crap about
'divinely inspired', either.)  And I resent that I have to worship
him or else end up in hell.  Damn right I do.  
  I just think that the bible is a load of bullshit written to 
control people.  And it has, if you think about it.
  
Sorry, but until I get proof...real proof...I'm not convinced.  It 
remains bullshit.  I'm not as eloquent as Turtle, but he has
a very, VERY valid point.  And he expresses it perfectly.  I can't
say that with enough conviction in type.  I admire him for his 
eloquence, certainly.  I think he's a little weakminded on one
other thing, though.
  
I guess that I'll obey Gods word...when I hear it from GOD.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:45:52
Message Number  7380

No, no, no!!!  The 'predisposition' IS the disease!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:47:34
Message Number  7381

I dropped because I made a typo.  I mean, $1000  (one thousand dollars)
and that's what it'd cost...(I priced 'em).  Your buddy have a 340 
or a 440?
  I am sorry if I accused you through my words of being hi-n-mighty,
I never meant that.  I believe that I might take you up on that 
gentlemans bet (even though I make a poor gentleman)
  A majority does exist, and as a rule, BBS'ers tend to be much more
openminded than the populace at large.  That wouldn't be an accurate
survey.  I wouldn't even call it close. 
  Also, a lot of the people you see here are on other BBS's locally...
so again, not a good cross section.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:58:22
Message Number  7382

Ok, ok, no more cheap shots.  I apologise to all the OTHERS who didn't
deserve such pettiness.
  Note that I said others...eye for an eye....  I believe in fairness,
too.
  Interesting point...that an encounter doesn't obligate one, but I 
believe that you anticipated that I wouldn't think of that...so the
implied insult is just as valid as if it were real. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Guitars        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:04:16
Message Number  7383

(Most important first)
Dianne - qualifies.
Dan Fogleburg...I'm not sure which album I like best...prob the one wiht
"Leader of the Band" & "Auld Langsyne" 
 Homosexuals-  No, not in the same league as Blacks.  I've met blacks I 
like.  I've met blacks I didn't like.  I never met a gay I liked.  (and 
yes, I've met a few.)  Comparing lifestyles to genetics is also 
nonsense.  Homo isn't just a lifestyle, it's (here we go again) a jsut 
plain (*sigh*) sick.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: OOps!          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:11:58
Message Number  7384

Thats right!  I'm a straight!  I win!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Homosexuals    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:17:31
Message Number  7385

Hey, glad to see you back..sorry about your lawn.  
Yeah, I know, debates tire me out after a while, too, but I hate to 
let them get the last word on an issue which they are dead wrong on.
It goes against my grain.  (Immature, childish)
  Wow, long time to hear from, eh?  Quit the storyboard, I see.
What happened?  Just up and said, "Eh, stupid shit."?  Oh well, my 
charater is sitting there with his thumb up his *** anyway.... I guess 
I'm too tired to post after arguing with (seems like) everyone!
  
(*Sigh*).  Hear any good jokes lately?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:26:25
Message Number  7386

That was great!  Y'know, you just made me think of something else...
anyone who actually HAD a homo experience is homo!  AAACK!  That means
that anyone who DID is STILL homo!
  
If I'm among the 30% who has the problem, then I'll accept the 
lable sick with pride...
 
But I don't think that I'm in a minority, Ken.... I'm in a majority.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: gee...         
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:33:59
Message Number  7387

KO>of course, he'd always have the option of killing himself.
  
Or, (more likely) AJ.  
  
Pretty repulsive, Ken.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:36:52
Message Number  7388

That was funny!  I laughed till I was dizzy!  Ok, YOU find a new subject
besides ecology & marxism.  (Which YOU seem to be hung up on.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: semen          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:09:36
Message Number  7389

My, my we ARE OTR aren't we?
  
I made an error.  In any case, like Turtle, you missed my point. 
Read my messge to him for an updated version.
  
And WHO stereotypes?  I HATE beer, and given a choice, would PREFER
fruit juice.
  You've never met me, but you are as guilty as I am of stereotyping.
Better get your act together...you speak out for peoples rights, but
deny mine, and say you hate people who stereotype, then turn right
around and classify me as a beer drinker. How in the hell did you 
get that idea?
  
I'm dissapointed in your 'altruistic' nature.  You are a farce.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: HANDLE         
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:20:04
Message Number  7390

My handle is not two part..."The" simply refers to Specialist...if you
took it that way, then you could say, The Turtle, or The Beatle, or 
even the Angel.
  
You have a point with Zot Gnop, though...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:39:37
Message Number  7391

My friend Mark was tooling down I-20 in Shreveport Louisiana and a 
slight (enuf ro slick the road) rain fell.  A gal cut him off and he 
went down.  He has a framed copy of an accident report that has a 
witness statement that he passed her in her Mustang at 60 on the seat
of his pants!  He had a little road rash but his leathers protected
his posterior.  He still has the top half of his cowboy boots that had
the heels ground off in  this escapade.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:45:36
Message Number  7392

I have Frank Zappa's Live at the Roxy and Elsewhere.  "An I tol' the 
devil - barf her back up here!"
I'm a big Zappa fan... My favorite is the "Illinois Enema Bandit" it
is actually a /hell/ of a good blues tune.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:48:27
Message Number  7393

Amazing - it's only been a couple of days since I logged on and I feel
like your post is right out of the twilight zone.  I hardly (nahhh I 
/still/ don't) see anything that resembles a post I made.  I will 
attempt to correlate your blatherings to some things I stated:
I posted an open question on what age would generally be conceeded to
be or should be a "legal" age.  The only statement I made dealing with
animals was that it was cruel behavior to involve an unwilling animal
for the purposes of sexual gratification.  The practise being referred
to was gerbilling.  Please get yer shit together before posting again.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:54:31
Message Number  7394

It must be wonderful to have such a simplistic view of life - 
unencumbered by facts.  Men have been wearing earrings on and off for
centuries and yet it is still held to be a feminine /affectation/.
A trait is something that is endemic to the gender.  The clothes that
are worn does not a trait make.
Your morals have absolutely nothing to do with another human beings
sexual preference.  I know that it must be devastating to realize or
have to grip with the reality of the situation but you really must
stop being so egocentric as to believe that /your/ beliefs are in any 
way influential to someone who has resolved to lead their life as they
see fit.
			                                      JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: AJ <TheGUN)    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:00:19
Message Number  7395

Now if that ain't a switch!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Bwoing!        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:03:08
Message Number  7396

I can see it now - where old ElectroSux cleaners go to die!  - 
The BagPipes From Hell!  (no chance of it coming to a theatre near you)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:04:35
Message Number  7397

Moot point - the idiots that determined it was sapient would kill it
before it "got loose".  As a point of interest - ever read Orson Scott
Card's "Ender's Game" and the sequel "Speaker for the Dead"?  It 
deals with such a topic.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Knifes         
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:08:21
Message Number  7398

I have one of each type (I can't remeber the longer one's name) somewher
in a chest in Alabama.  My dad picked it up for me when he was over 
there in the mid-sixties.  Genuine?  Hell I dunno - maybe when I go home
I'll bring them back and you can peek at them for me.  They have a two
piece wooden scabbard that is made like a split shell held together with
the silk cord bindings.
(PS - I really loved the one that Rufus was diddling with today! and I
was semi-serious about getting a couple of claws and making a similar
one!  - Or - are they still available at what price?)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:14:23
Message Number  7399

Yeah - I couldn't help but wonder if Revolver was worth the Fat Mattress
albumn - now I know it wasn't because I can get Revolver but nobody's 
ever heard of Fat Mattress.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:20:59
Message Number  7400

Where is a bias against the Beatles?  I think some of their music is
great - I also think that some people tend to overdo the superlatives
when it comes to anything put out by them.  Some songs strike me as 
simply the byproduct of bad drugs.  Others, like "Dear Prudence" and
"Blackbird" I think are just wonderful.  Some songs are just fun to 
listen to like "Paperback Writer".  I'll stick with ya on 'em!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:25:12
Message Number  7401

Yngling - really - we need to have a couple of drinks and discuss this
propensity to invite things into your life that are against you.  Do
you enjoy having hurdles to jump(snigger).  I mean why on earth would
you buy a dog that pissed on your foot?
                     A Baffled (but amused) JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:27:52
Message Number  7402

You know - I found domething new the other day.  I was in Cutlery World
and I decided to ask why none of the swords sold are sharp - They said
it is against the law!  How silly!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Bwoing!        
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:42:40
Message Number  7403

Y'have to understand that their original purpose was to scare hell out
of the enemies!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:45:57
Message Number  7404

Sevin - that's the stuff.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:47:30
Message Number  7405

Sorry - urine comes via the urethea tube.  Genitalia just happen to be
in the same vicinity.  Double-duty in some respects.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Real analogs   
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:49:38
Message Number  7406

Waitadamminite - 
TS>because I know what they are really like. 
You admitted that you have never known a homosexual.  Please mainatain
a consistent (ie believable) line.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:53:20
Message Number  7407

TS>bebause a person act sane, doesn't mean that he is.
TS>.a fag goes straight.
No way Jose' - if he is truly gay then that he remains there is no "cure
as you so crudely put it.  My friend in Utah used to take a woman every
now and then to maintain the illusion of being straight.  He confided
that he really hated it because every sexually transmitted disease he
had ever gotten was from a woman!  He asked if that correlated with my
experience and I said no.  He used to puzzle about that...
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 00:58:29
Message Number  7409

   Wish I could tell you more about it, but can't remember any more
details.  Read the story originally in TV Guide and later heard it
repeated by the producer of SNL in a radio interview.  This was several
years ago during the time of Billy Crystal and that group.  SNL always
has to have at least one repeat ready to run in case for some reason
(technical or otherwise) they cannot air a live show.  The choice of
re-run must be approved by the broadcast standards department (censors).
At this time they wanted to have as backups several episodes from the
original season; the network censors banned them.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:07:09
Message Number  7410

Okay, help me out on these film ratings.  I had been told once (by a
rather unreliable source) that there was no "X" rating from the MPAA,
that that was shorthand for MPAA giving no rating to a film.  Don't
know where I can look to see if that's true or just manifest bullshit
(tm).
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:18:46
Message Number  7411

I am totally confused by this message thread.
MG> If you or the other dudes do not request reviews or comment to me
MG> I assume that you are ready for new sections.
Here's a comment ... new sections of what?  If you are quoting verse,
please give us a hint and use quotation marks.
MG> If I kill a line or a point tell me
How about helping me out and just tell me and everyone else what the
heck you're doing.  Without knowing what you are attempting, I'm afraid
your posts are reading to me like jumbled, unconnected sentences with
no reason and point.  That is my review/comment.
                                  -- Confused Angel
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:53:27
Message Number  7412

Probably the best way ta rid yahself of them little buggers is ta 
purch-ass yoself a AR-15 A-salt rifle and blow dem little @#$%^&* right
offa the face o' dis here planet-like. It works even better ifin ya use
the new and eem-prooved .223 Bug Buster Special round.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: open minds     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:58:48
Message Number  7413

When confronted with so many close minded individuals in this world 
(especially in regards to sex), it's just so refreshing to hear from 
someone who looks at things objectively and judges them as they are, not
as they are labeled by the 'moral majority'. (Though I admit that I 
myself have been guilty of unfair prejudices more often than I would 
like to have been.)
Oh yeah. Rufus says your cute :)
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: ALL                 
Subject: WHAT THE HEY!?!
Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:09:31
Message Number  7414

   "EEGADS RUFUS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE FLOOR????!!!!"
   With a tone and inflection usually reserved for the mentally deranged
, what appeared to be an enraged dwarf stumped into the bar. 
   He was only about a meter tall and from his head radiated an almost 
halo-ish mass of black hair, which cascaded down the front of his head 
only to merge with a beard which not only covered his body from chest to
cheek, but looked like it had taken several centuries to grow. In back, 
he had a thick black braid which, had it not been draped over the large 
oblong bag slung over one shoulder, would surely have trailed out the 
door by which he had just entered.
   Turning almost as one, the denizens of the bar regarded him with a 
mixture of reactions that ranged from startled suspicion all the way to 
amused perplexity. Suddenly aware of this abrupt flurry of scrutiny, the
dwarf grunted once and promptly made his way over to the fallen form of 
the hapless insurance salesman.
   "Ghods, Ruf. You look terrible."
   The response was long in coming.
   "Well, aren't ya gonna say somtin'"
   Realizing that something was amiss, the strange little man bent low 
over Rufus' inert form and peered at him intently. After a few more 
moments had gone by, he straightened up, looked around in apparent 
confusion, and started rummaging through his own pockets.
   With a cry of almost child-like glee, he resurfaced holding a roll of
white cloth, a small vial, and something else which was obscured by his 
holding it close to his chest. the short, stocky figure then hunched low
over Rufus' body, thus making certain that no one could see what he was 
doing clearly. Without warning, the dwarf started humming loudly. The 
tune struck a familiar note in Turtle's memory. 
   There was a sound like a spritzer bottle being used, and just as 
quiclky as he had fallen, Rufus (freshly bandaged, trenchcoat and all)
sprung to his feet.
   "HUNGGUH GUH HUH HUNH NUH", Rufus exclaimed loudly.
   "Like, relax dude. It'll wear off in 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:43:29
Message Number  7415

Yeah, you think it's hard on YOU...imagine us poor people who have
to suffer day in and day out with paranoid thoughts of sneaking into
your house at night with a knife and murdering your family...BRRRR!
I lie awake nights thinking about it...I can't sleep. Drives me nuts.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: greener grass..
Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:47:57
Message Number  7416

I know a person who was engaged in a tragic lawn mower accident once.
See, he was mowing his lawn, which he'd let go for quite too long, with
the result that it was most unmanageable. Anyway, he accidentallly
uncovered a unit of Green Berets who had mistaken his lawn for
Cambodia and were on manuvers, which (as you might expect) startled
them almost as much as it startled him. Anyway, they responded with the
grace that has made the Green Berets a shining legend in the hallowed
halls of diplomacy the world over; they shot him. One hundred and
forty-seven times. They also shelled his lawn mower and called down
an aerial strike on the poodle he'd lost in there three or four months
earlier. (The poodle, lost and alone for months, had reverted to its
true roots by then, which is a different story...suffice it to say
that the dog commandeered an Apache assault chopper and inflicted
grevious damage on the Green Berets' position before it was finally
taken out. Scary things, those poodles.) This activity had the
unintended side effect of severly startling his young neighbor, Jimmy,
who was in the back yard playing stickball, with the result that
he accidentally and /not/ on purpose as some people claim knocked a
baseball through the window of an innocent, if crabby, old lady
down the street, causing the destruction of her entire collection of
"Star Trek" hand-painted china plates she ordered from The Franklin
Mint. Those power lawn-mowers--tools of the Devil they are, and hard
on china too.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:01:06
Message Number  7417

>I suppose there is something pretty gross about [oral sex]...
 
I take it you've never tried it then. Thank you; that explains a lot.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Real analogs   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:03:27
Message Number  7418

>If you [encountered] a young black man who shows all the signs that
>he might want to rob you...
 
...depending on the situation, I may just walk up and introduce myself,
yes. I've done it before. I'm still alive.
 
>And if they didn't act like that, I still would not want to hang with
>them, because I know what they are really like.
 
So. If they act in accordance with your stereotype you hate them for it
and if they do NOT act in accordance with your stereotype you hate them
because that isn't what they're "really like"? Pray tell, what is a
homosexual individual "really like"? Enquiring minds want to know.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:06:51
Message Number  7419

I do not believe homosexuality is wrong. You disagree. If I were to
fail to associate with people who disagree with my beliefs, I would not
associate with you. Is simple, n'est pas?
 
Not all bigots are gay bashers.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:13:05
Message Number  7420

>Their [sic] HAS to be a God...
 
A God? /A/ God? Even an agnostic can be indoctorinated by a
monotheistic culture, yes? I would say that either no god or
a multitude of gods would be more likely than a /single/ god--if
one can exist, why ONLY one?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bwoing!        
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:20:36
Message Number  7421

>The BagPipes From Hell!
 
What, you really think a sentient being (personified evil or no) would
allow electric bagpipes in his /home/? I would think Satan'd be more
likely to help little old ladies across the street than allow something
like that in Hell...some things are just /too/ nasty...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:22:29
Message Number  7422

I've read "Ender's Game" but not "Speaker for the Dead." I don't
recall much discussion about artificial intelligences in "Ender's Game,"
but it's been a while since I read it. Speaking of which...have you
ever read "Neuromancer"? Interesting point in that book: an artificial
intelligence, even one whose hardware was modeled after a human brain,
would likely be so alien to humanity from the standpoint of worldview,
self-image, even basic motivational forces, that getting a handle on
what would motivate such a thing or how it would react in a given
situation would be essentially impossible. It'd possibly be even
more alien than an intelligence from a different evolutionary scheme
that was still organic--like, say, aliens from another planet or a
"Star Trek" rerun.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Knifes         
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:26:59
Message Number  7423

The longer sword is a katana; the shorter is a wakazashi. (Wakasashi?
Dammit, I should know, but my head is filled with a neat-O sleepy fog.)
The genuine articles are /very/ rare and most are worth tens of
thousands of dollars at the very least. The only person I've ever known
who owns a set has had them in his family for generations; he takes them
to Japan to have them sharpened, and /NOBODY/ save for maybe three
people is allowed to touch them EVER. There is a great deal of ritual
that surrounds everything from the forging to the cleaning of a
katana; it's absolutely amazing. Watching someone handle one of these
things is rather like being privy to a very intense religious
experience.
---
To my knowledge, the Jody Samson piece I have isn't available
anywhere any more. They only made 250 of them, and I got mine about...
lessee...three years or so ago. Mine is #9 in the series, and the
guy I bought it from expectd the rest of them to be gone within six
months of that time, so... It's kind of nice to own a genuine
collectors' item that won't be destroyed by being rained upon (like,
say, a set of "Watchmen" first printings)... :)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:34:47
Message Number  7424

Yeup, it is in fact illegal to sell swords and such with a "live"
edge unless you have all sorts of bizzare licenses and such...Why?
I can't imagine. Of course, I also can't imagine why people want to ban
the sale of toy guns AND KEEP THE REAL ONES, so what do I know? You'd
think that a society which has no problem with mass availability of
assault rifles wouldn't bother with things like /swords/, fer
Chrissakes, but I guess the difference is you can't load a sword with
teflon-coated "Cop Killer" bullets and go out lookin' for deer wearing
body armor.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:38:56
Message Number  7425

The MPAA does have an "X" rating, and they do apply it to films.
The difference between the "X" rating and other ratings is that the
other ratings have been copyrighted by the MPAA; that is, you can't
call a film "Rated R" unless that rating was given to the film BY the
MPAA. The "X" rating, being uncopyrighted, can be applied to anything
by anyone, and as a result has been more or less taken over by the
industry that produces pornographic movies, with the result that the
"X" has become synonymous with porn (NOT the original intent). There
is a proposal afoot now to replace the "X" rating with a copyrighted
"A" (for "adult"), which could be applied to movies that are not
pornographic but would otherwise receive an "X"; presumably, makers
of porno flicks would not go through the MPAA ratings process and
would continue to use the "X" rating, providing a fairly obvious
distinction between, say, "Debbie Does Dallas" and "The Cook, The
Thief, His Wife and Her Lover." (Were they actually to be reviewed,
though, they'd both recieve an "A"--the MPAA itself is not set up to
differentiate between pornography and "serious" films, which is as it
should be.) Anyway, yes, the "X" is a real rating. Films with an "X"
which the producers don't want to edit are frequently released unrated,
though that's the choice of the movie company and not pecause the X
isn't a genuine rating.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Christian? HAH!
Date & Time: 08/08/90 13:53:04
Message Number  7426

Your post to AJ makes me want to commit a violent crime.  Psychology is
in the mind, literally...you deserve to die.
            The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 13:55:51
Message Number  7427

Damn straight, I am a princess in the worst way...my venomn is strong, 
and there is much to go around...I advocate rights for all races, except
people who choose to express an opinion that causes strife...one that 
manifests hatred...my opinion may, too, manifest hatred...hatred that
I express to you.  Hatred is a strong feeling, and one that should not b
e used in jest.  I only hate those who hate others...and, for your 
information, AIDS was never a GAY only disease...germs do not choose
people by colour, as some people seem to do.  You really make me sick.
You are an insult to the human race.
             The Lady 
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:00:50
Message Number  7428

I say "YOU" vehemently.  You are obviously lacking something in the 
mental department, so maybe we should set you and your "faggot" hangups
with a good psychologist.
  
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:10:02
Message Number  7430

OH, do we have something against dyslexia (sp) now, too?
Figures...only a person of your content would.
 
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: semen          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:12:54
Message Number  7431

I have feelings, and I try not to step on other peoples feelings....
however, when someone does step on someones' feelings, I just get this
serious urge to kill them...that does not make me a farce...that makes 
me more real than you shall ever be...
   
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:16:32
Message Number  7432

:)  I think the old saying "If you want to be friends with someone, 
don't discuss personal matters, such as gay rights (in this case)", is 
really quite true...I'm deeply disturbed that as I am about to log off
this board I have a hatred inside me.
     Anyhow, how 'bout them Mets?
               Black Magic
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: open minds     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:21:52
Message Number  7434

Thank you...I AM NOT CUTE...and I too, at one point in my life have been
guilty of an unfair prejudice, but that is what made me think twice.
For if I am not prejudiced against someone else, then maybe they shan't
be prejudiced against me...live an let live...when your going to die, 
that's always a nice comfort.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: ???            
Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:40:34
Message Number  7435

> ...when your going to die, that's always a nice comfort.
 
???????
===========

From: MAX                 
To: ALL                 
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 15:52:05
Message Number  7436

Well, I now have 400 messages to go through offline!  I'll respond to a
few of them individually later, I suspect, but I can't help but make one
or two comments right now.
 
At the risk of setting off Angel's censorship alarms, if this was on the
Den instead of A/R, this message would be a warning to both Black Magic
and the Specialist.  You two are descending into ad hominem attacks on
other users, and that's the one sort of message I would NEVER tolerate
on my own board -- and, yes, would delete.  You could disagree with me
or anyone else and attack their arguments visciously, but when you told
another user to "f*** off" that crosses my personal boundaries of what
can and can't be said.  Personally, I think both Magic's message to the
Specialist and his message to AJ should be grounds for dropping the
entire thread (or pushing it back on topic, at least), or dropping their
accounts.  Luckily for those concerned, this isn't the Den, of course.
(If someone wants to accuse me of being "intolerant" because of this
attitude, fine.  As Bryon Dayton said, "the one thing I'm really
intolerant of is stupidity.")
 
Specialist, you're beginning to rant again.  As I think I said a while
ago, the issue for most of us isn't the morality of homosexuality, but
whether or not it is right to abuse someone on the grounds of their
sexual preference.  You believe that it is, and so far don't seem to
have defended it any further than saying "It's sick and if you don't
agree with me, you're blind."  Incidentally, this is much the same
reasoning that led to the rise of Nazi Germany: Jews are evil and if you
don't agree with that statement, you're blind to the real truth, no
matter what evidence you present to the contrary.
   The ratio of people I like to people I don't like appears to be
relatively consistent among heterosexuals and homo/bi people.  If I like
someone, I don't care who they sleep with, and if I don't like them,
it's not based on who they sleep with.  It's a shame you don't see this.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexuals    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:13:59
Message Number  7437

Specialist -
 1.  I can dig it but you're still tilting at windmills bud.
 2.  I quit the storyboard back on the Den when my puter caught a virus
 and so I killed my character off since I didnt know how long it would
 be before I got back and I didnt want to screw up the storyline.  Of
 course that was when Spellwind was doing his best to pick a fight with
 my character and by his definition his character apparently was omni-
 potent (or maybe just impotent :> ) so it seemed like it wasnt going
 anywhere anyway.
 3.  Did you ever get a chance to read Heinlein's "Grumbles From The
 Grave?"
                                     The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:23:18
Message Number  7438

Jonboy,
I know you may not believe this but it IS true.
One night I was riding out near MCC (back when it was MJC not McCollege)
and as I approached the light at 26th Street and 53rd Avenue I applied
my brakes as the light was red and hit an oil slick from an earlier
accident.  The bike went down and dragged me with it thru the inter-
section.  An MSO cruiser was in the parking lot and saw what happenned,
and wrote me a ticket for running a red light!  I tried to fight it in
traffic court and the judge let it stand!  And the cop had the stones
to tell me I was lucky he didnt cite me for Failure To Keep Vehicle
Under Control!!!!
                              The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:32:19
Message Number  7439

Jonboy -
Because it was cheap.
               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:35:35
Message Number  7440

Angel,
Finally! I thought it was just me! I have no idea what in the hell
this guy has been talking about for a week now...I figured I must've
missed something cause no one else was bitching.  What a relief.
                           The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:37:56
Message Number  7441

Shee-it son, Ah've bin toying wit the idee-ur of settin up claymores
around their holes, but Ah'm afraid mah wife's poodle will piss on
'em and ruin the detonators.
                        The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:41:36
Message Number  7442

Oh great. Now I'll worry about whether or not you're getting enough
sleep or if you're up all night stressed out over the safety of Beatle's
family.  Maybe I oughta just go over there and kill 'em and save us all
a lot of heartache.
                         The Yngling
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 17:29:44
Message Number  7444

Aahh Hell, that's nuthin ta shit a brick about, sssuuun. You jest gotta
git you sum a them thar new-fangled doodads. Them piss ree-zis-tant 
comm-po-nants fer yer detinaters. Ah hear you kin pick yoself up some at
Home Depot.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:21:30
Message Number  7445

A Scottish terrier (or is that terror) did bite my foot.  I've delt
with dobermens, one large dog which just looked mean, 13 cocherspaniels,
and German Sheppards.  What goes and bites me?  I dog that can't see 
over my ankle.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:23:06
Message Number  7446

>     I MISS you...and I CAN'T wait for the 27th
 
Hmmm......<evil grin>....<evil laugh>....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: open minds     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:36:41
Message Number  7447

>Oh yeah. Rufus says your cute :)
 
You're trying to get me killed, aren't you?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:43:16
Message Number  7448

Maybe we need to form the NSA (National Sword Association).  Hunting
deer would be a little harder.  You'd have to wait in your tree stand
for one of the suckers to walk under you then drop onto it's back and
slash away.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 19:17:52
Message Number  7449

AAhhh -- But the reddish highlights matched your skin last time I saw
you and they looked right in place!  (You had a sunburn, kinda')  :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 19:35:48
Message Number  7450

Look, I went to Exxon because I had $5 ... All the other places had
raised their gas to $1.25 +++ a gallon because of the Iraq thing ....
Exxon was the only place that had $1.00/gallon ... ('cept Stupid America
and I couldn't make it there on the gas I had...)  ARE YOU GROKING ME
AT ALL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:00:52
Message Number  7451

TS>BBS'ers tend to be much moreopenminded than the populace at large. 
 
'Maybe true - it most assuredly is *not* a representative sample - the
major benefit is that it is a segment of society that you have the 
means to poll on a widespread basis.  The fact that you realize the
deck may be stacked against you is a telling one.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:03:17
Message Number  7452

TS>believe that you anticipated that I ...
 
So I'm sneaky... now you know.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Guitars        
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:04:39
Message Number  7453

TS> Homo isn't just a lifestyle,
 
If you have to live it - it's by /definition/ a lifestyle.  Quit trying
to use flag words like /sick/ to mask a bigoted brain.  The fact that
another human being is a homosexual has not one bit of effect on their
efficiency or health.  Sick is a physiological state wherby the body
is invaded by pathogens or is otherwise damaged.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: OOps!          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:07:16
Message Number  7454

Lets' play gay poker where straights are "out" and "queens" are wild!
You'd lose I'm afraid...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:09:01
Message Number  7455

TS>anyone who actually HAD a homo experience is homo!  AAACK!
 
Get a grip on yourself.  That has to be the most asinine statement
yet from you - you started out ok and are rapidly regressing to the
infantile state.  Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"?  Would
the fact that two ladies while in bed with a man (or two men with a 
lady of course) make any of the same sex gay?  You attempt to make the
world black & white and I'm surprised that the weight of reason hasn't 
pooped you out yet.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Problem...     
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:21:43
Message Number  7456

The computer that Ender interfaces with is revealed to have a consious-
ness in Speaker for the Dead.  It seems that over the centuries with the
sub-ether communications net it developed them as neurons and evolved
an intelligence.  It's a decent book worth reading.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:28:03
Message Number  7457

Lemme see - what do we have for them hatred blues - something that
should affirm the sanctity of life - best I can think of would be some
old Dan Fogelberg.  Aha!  Nazareth "Fallen Angel" from their "Malice in
Wonderland" albumn.
You really seem to be building up again - 'dem blues layin' in wait
fer ya purty lady?  Remember the talk about the beach, endless sands, 
eternal waves, setting suns and the promise of tomorrow riding on the
faint wisps of yesterday's sky?
Do try some relaxation exercises - I hate to see you worked up and 
between Mike and these guys you have had a bad couple of days.  I also
get the idea that something else has been bugging you - leave mail to
a sympathetic ear.
                                     Take care,
                                       JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:36:26
Message Number  7458

Yeah - I /hate/ badge heavy cops myself as I've had a fair run in - 
here's mine.  I'm in a /really/ bad section of town and a van comes up 
behind me and bumps me.  I cuss but keep control - he smacks me really
good this time so I drops the ol race car (really!) into second and
burn outta there.  Next I know the cops are behind me so I pull over. 
He tells me to follow him back and there is my friend Ron with his new
van that has no working horn or lights which normal people might to 
signal with so he smacked me.  Even tho I was leaving a potentially
bad situation - I still got a damned ticket even when Ron verified to
the court what he had done.  I used to get pissed about judges until one
day a friend says "what do you expect? Justice?!  Your talking about
a lawyer with political connections!".  That simple statement did more
to help me realize where our legal system's at than any other.
 
                                        An AnaArchist JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:42:07
Message Number  7459

No no no no NO!  Shoes are /not/ cheap! Nor carpet, or other items
that the wee beastie decides to water.
             
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:43:26
Message Number  7460

TY>I thought it was just me!  ccause no one else was bitching.\
 
We were persevering in the best of liberal tradition.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:05:29
Message Number  7461

>ARE YOU GROKING ME AT ALL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
Uhhh...I suppose so.  Did I tell you about my relatives in Asia?
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: getting killed 
Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:17:10
Message Number  7462

You betcha dude :)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:36:05
Message Number  7463

> ...what doctor is going to put down a prospective patient?  I know
> that if my reputation (and my finances) depended on	 whether or not I
> claimed homos were actually sick...
 
If society believed that association with homosexuals or anything that
remotely resembled mild toleration of them was wrong, then you (i.e, the
doctor) would best protect your reputation by saying that they are,
indeed, sick.  This hasn't been said in the last 50 years or so because
there's not that much evidence to support it, except "gut feelings" of
those who don't like homosexuality.  Again, this has nothing to do with
whether or not it's morally right to associate with "them."
 
Would it completely baffle you if I said that I think the true wrongness
in this 'debate' is rejecting a person based solely on sexual
preference?  You have said in the past that if you found out a friend of
yours was homosexual/bisexual, you'd stop associating with him/her.
I would say that if you in fact did this, you'd have backstabbed this
person: the failure would be yours, not his.  I accept your belief that
homosexuality is wrong, even if I don't agree with it.  I do not accept
that this is a reason to refuse friendships and break other ones; in
fact, if the measure of an act's wrongness is the harm it causes to
others, your viewpoint is more harmful than two men in a sexual
relationship could ever be.  I honestly wish you'd stop ranting about
how much you don't like the act and THINK about what I'm saying here.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:46:02
Message Number  7464

> ...was the speaker concerned with the practise of inserting objects
> into bodily orifices morally objectionable as "sick"... what is
> *really* bothering you?  The plight of the animal or the fact that
> inserting objects is "kinky".
 
The plight of the animal.  "Inserting objects" may, indeed, be kinky
and doesn't sound like something I'd find appealing (hey, call me
closeminded...), but the animal abuse is what I find most offensive
about the practice.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:48:57
Message Number  7465

Sigh.  The difference between homosexuality and gerbilling, incest,
or what-have-you with regards to "sickness" is that in all of the ones
mentioned except homosexuality, something/someone is being hurt.
 
> Please explain why that (gerbilling) is sick and a high school kid
> hacking up a frog in lab (and I mean HACKING up) is not.....
 
As you may not be aware of the mine field you are approaching, let me
merely say that an animal dying for "medical science" could (note I
said "could", not "should") be considered quite different from one dying
for someone's gratification.  A medical student learning on a cadaver
is qualitatively different than someone whipping a woman to death for
pleasure.  To answer the question more directly (and more personally),
I believe that both gerbilling and high school-level lab dissections
ARE sick.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Christian? HAH!
Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:28:20
Message Number  7466

>...you deserve to die.
 
Let's try to attack the /ideas/ and not the /person/ who's stating
them, hmm? (Tap, tap, tap, tap...)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:37:17
Message Number  7467

Ya gotta watch fer the little rat-shaped dogs, Son. Them's the ones
that'll turn feral on you quick as a wink. Once one of them little
hot dogs or something loses it, there's no callin' them back. They'll
just go on a rampage, creating a path of terror and destruction three
inches high.
 
...they outta outlaw them things.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:39:56
Message Number  7468

I've never seen the point of hunting deer with a rifle...just sit
up in a treehouse with your gun, armor-piercing bullets, laser
sight, IR scope..."Yep, I went out into the wilderness today to prove
myself, man against nature. Sat in a tree 'til I saw this deer
walk by, close as you please...couldn't have been more than four,
five miles away! So I reached out, flipped on the rangefinder, and
let 'im have it. That's how a REAL MAN does it!" Nuts...a real man
does it with his teeth.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/09/90 11:03:46
Message Number  7473

Hey, I've got a hot dog in my backyard right now.  And look, I gotta
go and mow!  HAHA!!!  Actually, I like Frank.  For being so damned
weird, having legs as big as my pinky, and being so skiddish he'd pee
on anything if you looked at him cross-eyed, he's a cool dog.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: knives         
Date & Time: 08/09/90 11:05:20
Message Number  7474

I dunno about your description of hunting.  My brother-in-law goes 
three or four times a year and the last time he got anything was about
four years ago.  He is fairly skilled with a rifle, and he is the type t
to sit still for hours on end waiting for a deer.  I think the deer are
sitting in other tress with their rifles.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:38:11
Message Number  7475

 
> I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS!
 
  Well, don't tell us! It'll throw the whole universe out of whack.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:39:18
Message Number  7476

 
> THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER
 
  Yes, and if the music won't compare, their place in history will.
 
  Turtle, I have been thinking about your comment about Beatles 
fanatisism. And it doesn't surprise me one bit. Since you are not a 
listener of early 60's music, you don't have a reference point to make
a comparison between Beatle "drivel" and other stuff. Back then, the 
parents were trying to get rid of drivel too, since it was "rock" drivel
... sure, the lyrics were simple. But the talent of the Beatles was 
obvious. And they innovated so many fields, too. They used recording 
studio equipment in new ways, and later wrote really good songs, and 
they made the first music videos.
 
  So, if the early lyrics were drivel, then so be it. But no rock group 
was as innovative (and influential on music) as the Beatles.
 
  (Sorry to babble on in a message addressed to Zot...)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: greener grass..
Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:46:17
Message Number  7477

> How?  I dunno.
 
  Hey, beats me... it's one of those odd things my parents tell me not 
to do...the one I really hate is "Don't ride your bike on the highway 
(which is SR 70 in this case)!"
 
 Grrrr...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:54:42
Message Number  7478

> some people who aren't against it haven't met one.
 
   Well, then I don't fall into that group. I went to some sort of 
dinner at a gay couple's home. I had no idea which (of all the people 
who were there) people were or were not gay. I have never met anybody 
that I can tell is gay. I don't see how some people say they do it. Sure
, you can point out the examples of the ones you see in the movies, but 
I have met gay people and I could not tell they were gay.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:59:27
Message Number  7479

> It wasn't designed to go like that.  Square pegs in round holes...
> ...why is it too hard for you to grasp?
 
  It's not hard to grasp, I just don't buy it. I don't believe that to 
be an indication of a sickness.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:01:50
Message Number  7480

 
> Not since those SICKOS spread it to normal people.
 
 How do you know that's what happened?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:03:38
Message Number  7481

> Maybe someone close to me DIED as result of something they did!!
 
  Ooh, I hate that attitude. That plain out defines Bigotry. "They". 
That's the key word. What if Turtle did something that killed someone 
you know? Would you hate yourself for being white?? It's that sort of 
thing. Don't say it's different, cause it isn't.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:07:10
Message Number  7482

> I guess that I'll obey Gods word...when I hear it from GOD.
 
> Turtle has a very, VERY valid point...
 
  I agree 100%  I don't like the fact that worship is a requirement to
live a goolife, or you go to hell.  
 
  If you want to believe in religious coincidences and stuff, there is 
an interesting  story.
 
 John Lennon once said: "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink
. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and I will be proven right...
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them
twisting it that ruins it for me."
 
  When this appeared in an American magazine, a radio station in Texas,
KLUE, sponsored a Beatles bonfire. The day after the bonfire, a bolt of
lightning struck their transmission tower, knocking the news director 
unconscious, and extensively damaging their equipment...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:28:33
Message Number  7483

> Yeah - I couldn't help but wonder if Revolver was worth the Fat 
> Mattress album...nobody's ever heard of Fat Mattress.
 
  Alright, from a collectors point of view...sure.  Can you give me an 
example of a Far Mattress song? As you said, I've never heard of them.
 
   But didn't you at least like Revolver?? I know, here comes Turtle 
saying "We all live in a Yellow Submarine, We all...drivel drivel".
 
  But what about "Elanor Rigby"??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:33:55
Message Number  7484

> ... if it's true or just manifest bullshit (tm).
 
  From my experience, the MPAA started out with a G, PG, R, and X. It
sounds like there's some semi-logic involved with the "no rating" idea.
If the film isn't suitable for anyone under 17, don't give it a Parental
warning. Still, major motion pictures went through with Xs. "Midnight 
Cowboy", an oscar winner for best picture, was rated X (now rated R).
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: greener grass..
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:39:50
Message Number  7485

 Re: tragic lawnmower accident...
 
   Would you PLEASE put a large consideration on that message for the 
next "Overheard" page??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:44:43
Message Number  7486

> Films with an "... are frequently released unrated...
 
  Where is it said, however, that they can do that? Is that only because
of the X not being copyrighted? Does this mean the makers of "Nightmare
on Elm Street 5,000" could release their film, which probably would be 
rated R, with no rating??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:53:47
Message Number  7487

> because of the Iraq thing ....
 
  That part of the sentence just sounds interesting.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:56:15
Message Number  7488

> Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"??
 
  Welp, is it the situation you described just after that question?
  All I know it that they made it a pun in the title of a Star Trek TNG
episode: "Menage A Troi"...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:58:59
Message Number  7489

> No no no no NO!  Shoes are /not/ cheap!
 
  And people who pay $150 for a pair of shoes 'cause they're "the style"
(and that's a quote from THREE people in an article on shoes) really bug
me...what bugs me even more are those who get Reebok Pumps for washing 
their parents car when I can't get shit for cleaning up the house.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/09/90 15:19:00
Message Number  7490

> Reebok Pumps....
 
Okay, watch the punp bashing!  Hey, I don't have to wash ANYTHING for 
my shoes ...  I just have to LIVE with my parents!  :)
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:26:11
Message Number  7491

Jonboy -
The P.S. to my story is that when the judge ruled against me I told
her to get fucked and lost my license for 365 days.  Man, that /really/
bugged me...having to drive around for a year w/o a license.
    Of course I was 17 and pretty stupid at the time...kids, remember
I am a professional - dont try cussing out judges at home!
                                 The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:29:39
Message Number  7492

But thats just it! The damn dog NEVER pisses on the rug...ever. Only on
feet at the front door. Weird, huh?
                               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MAX                 
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:32:05
Message Number  7493

But what if they could find these /really/ kinky gerbils that WANTED
to be inserted into the body cavity of your choice? Then would it be
O.K.?
                             The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:40:17
Message Number  7494

Beatle,
Gee, you work cheap! I'll give you all the shit you want to come over
and clean the house.  Whatta bargain!
                         The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:42:48
Message Number  7495

>...they outta outlaw them things.
WHEN LITTLE DOGS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL OWN LITTLE DOGS!
 - think about it.                                              (tm)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:08:27
Message Number  7496

> But what if they could find these /really/ kinky gerbils that
> WANTED to be inserted into the body cavity of your choice?
 
You've been watching episodes of "Three's Company" back-to-back again,
haven't you?
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: downloading    
Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:22:45
Message Number  7497

thanks for the info on reading text files.  I'll try it.
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: zip files      
Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:24:17
Message Number  7498

I'm not real sure what you are talking about, but at least I have
something to go on and research.  Thanks for your help.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Dogs of...     
Date & Time: 08/09/90 22:32:10
Message Number  7499

>For being so damned weird...
 
You want weird? I was driving back from Sarasota Square today and
stopped behind a semi tractor-trailer rig at a traffic light. The rig
had a large yellow metal sign bolted to it that said "CAUTION: Weird
Load."
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:00:48
Message Number  7502

I vote to have the thread dropped and I do appologize to the 
Specialist for the last post.
          The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:03:26
Message Number  7503

Gee, thanks, love....save the evil-ness for the 27 when I can really
experience it! :>
                 The LAdy
P.S...'guess dirty minds do think alike.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:08:15
Message Number  7504

Thanks, love!  You should see me now, if you think that was bad.  If
I never develop skin cancer, then I swear, it's impossible for anyone to
get it.  I even wore sunscreen this time!  BTW, did you see the article
in the Sarasota Herald about how "sunscreen may CAUSE skin cancer".  It
was in Wednesday's Health section....
                  The Lady
.e
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:12:42
Message Number  7505

You got a smile out of me...no fair!
          The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Christian? HAH!
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:14:49
Message Number  7506

Gotcha...You know, I think I'm not going to do much reading on the board
...it'll keep me out of trouble...
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:19:03
Message Number  7507

Good enough, huh?! :>  I have reeb's, not the pumps, though...they're 
too big and masculine looking.
      (gee, could that be because they are men's shoes?  Naah...)
                     Lacey
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MAX                 
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/10/90 17:10:01
Message Number  7510

Perhaps someday there will be a "Three's Company Reunion Special" or a
"Three's Company: Christmas In Hawaii," or even "Three's Company: The
Next Generation." 'Tis but a dream I have.
                                The Yngling
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:11:08
Message Number  7511

A. The post wasn't directed at you - not that I don't welcome your
   feedback, but in this case I was "probing" the other person to see
   if homosxuality was the /real/ concern.
 
B. There was another post directed at the crowd at large acknowledging
   that /given/ the animal abuse was an abomination - what of the other?
 
I simply wondered what part of the bashing going on was due to sexual 
hangups in general.  Too many times the real cause d'celibre is somethin
altogether different than stated.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:21:37
Message Number  7512

Ahem!  I /said/ I *liked* the Beatles.  I merely made the statement that
I had been rather shortsighted in getting rid of an albumn that I should
have known wouldn't be available in years gone by versus somtheing that
will be around til the world grinds to a stop.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:25:20
Message Number  7513

>> Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"?? 
 
It is a sexual encounter with three people - usually (but not always)
two women and a man.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:27:11
Message Number  7514

Nu shooz!  I *hate* shoppin fer nu shooz.  Dey cos' so dam much and den
dey hurtz y'feet fo'evah!  Ah swear!  An den iffn you ain' paid d'man
fo dem shooz - den da suckers squeeks and folks in church can hyar 'em
all 'way up in the choir!  Yessah!  No lie - Ah peeks up when dey does
dat an dey be lookin my way w'dat sly smile on dey face say "He ain'
paid fer dem nu shooz".  An dey be talkin' yeah - he's stylin but dey
squeeks an y'know whut /dat/ means and dey looks out d'sides o' dey 
eyeballs at you, den roll 'em slow towards yo feet and bus' out laffin!
Lawd if'n we wasn' at church Ah'd let 'em get a closer lissen at dat dar
squeek uppe'n'side o' dey head!  Yessir!
   Anyways - I hates dem nu shooz...
 
                                A Deep-South JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:34:36
Message Number  7515

KO> ...  I just have to LIVE with my parents!  :)  
 
Consider the deal from their perspective.
:>=> (big ol toothy nasty grin)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:36:32
Message Number  7516

Yng>bugged me...having to drive around for a year w/o a license.
 
Waha!  I sprayed coke on my VGA when I read that!  I acquired a real
taste for dry humor when I had to work with some Brits & Aussies for
awhile.  Ain't it the truth - so pays yer money and ignore the chances
(slim) of getting caught if yer careful.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:39:12
Message Number  7517

I can see the door stoop now - there's a giant yellow area that's etched
into the concrete!  I know I know!  Get some wax and write WELCOME on
the concrete - it should be just like Easter eggs!  I can see it now...
we'll call up the people that preview homes with outstanding decor and
show 'em your bas relief welcome mat - it will become the rage!  Lessee
we'll breed the little suckers where they have a propensity to drink and
pee LOTS.  Then we'll have the market cornered when bas-relief welcome
mats hit the big time.  All I ask is 10% and a mention in the bylines.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:43:21
Message Number  7518

A whole new industry devoted to servicing some "back to the womb"
gerbils?  Nahhhhh.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:47:13
Message Number  7519

Fair?!!! Moi?  I was supposed to be fair?  Gimme that rule book.
See, page 9 - "all's fair".   So what wrong with a cheery face?
Is the Lady in Black a somber lass?
With nary a smile o'er her face to pass?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:50:26
Message Number  7520

I'm curious (natch!) exactly what was it about your body that prompted
the nickname "Lacey" that you have been wearing for a couple of weeks
now?  
			                         An Enquiring (AKA Dirty) minded JonBoy
                                  wants to know
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:55:42
Message Number  7521

Yeah but will they ever make "Three's Company finally get it on!"?
Beatle - *that* would be a menage a trois!
I got to catch "Crissy" Sommer's act in Las Vegas when she was canned
for being too greedy.  The show did not do her legs justice! *Very* 
shapely indeed!
                                JonBoy
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dem nu shooz...
Date & Time: 08/10/90 19:08:38
Message Number  7522

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
der I feel mush bedder.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/10/90 20:33:45
Message Number  7523

Ya, but the Sunscreens that may CAUSE skin cancer are those ones like:
SPF 6,000,000 ...Yes, that's right folks, you can walk straight through
the sun and not get burned!  Isn't that amazing?
 
> .e
 
Comfuggled are we?  :)
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: ZIP            
Date & Time: 08/10/90 21:22:16
Message Number  7524

Thanks, I appreciate the info.  I downloaded PKZ101.EXE but haven't 
got it to work.  I'll try the 102 version.  I know if I keep messing
with it that I`ll figure it out but it sure goes a lot faster with
help like yours.  As long as I'm asking dumb questions - what is an
ARC program or file?  Thanks again for your help.....the novice
===========

From: NAME                
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Bible          
Date & Time: 08/10/90 22:03:55
Message Number  7525

I use the King James version.  Matthew chapter 16 verse 18 "And I say 
also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build
my church; and the gates of hell shat not prevail against it."
  Greek dictionary defines hell in this sentence as hades: unseen or
the place of departed souls:-grave, hell
  Greek dictionary refers to another definition of hell called eido
(i'do): to know, be aware, behold, consider, understand.
  (King James version) 1st John chap 5, verse 7 "For there are three
that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
And these three are one. [verse 8] and there are three that bear 
witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these
three agree in one."
  I always use the King James version and will be more careful to 
specifiy which translation I'm using in the future.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:14:16
Message Number  7526

>But no other rock group was as innovative (and influential on music)
>as the Beatles.
 
Innovative: Pink Floyd.
Influential: Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis. (Although I'd personally rather
             dine on iron spikes than be forced to listen to either one
             of those two clowns.)
 
            --An innovative and influential Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:18:16
Message Number  7527

Anyone anywhere at any time can release any film unrated. There is no
law that says "A movie shown to the general public must carry an
MPAA rating." The MPAA is strictly and absolutely a /voluntary/ ratings
organization. HOWEVER: Most movie houses, and almost all the large
chains, will not show an unrated movie. A movie which carries no rating
has almost the same degree of difficulty that an X-rated movie has; you
can't get it into most theaters (other than art houses), 'cause the
rating is how the theatre owners cover their asses.
 
                --A theatrical Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:21:43
Message Number  7528

Speaking of hundred-and-fifty-buck shoes: There is an article on urban
crime in a recent (two months ago?) Newsweek in which a person who owns
a clothing store on the edge of an "economically distressed urban
area" claimed he was visited by salesmen from Reebok and Nike, both of
whom told him, "If you want to make a profit, you've got to hook up with
the local drug dealers...you have to move them into $150 sneakers and
$200 sweatsuits." Yeech!
 
                     --An unamused Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Judgement      
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:24:21
Message Number  7529

I personally wouldn't DREAm of cussing out a judge; not bright,
especially if you've just been on the receiving end of the ruling. I
have, however, been known to cuss out law enforcement officers...but
only when I'm right.
 
                     --A tactful Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:26:13
Message Number  7530

That reminds me (watch out, non-sequitur approaching) of a saying I
tend to find amusing: "If guns are outlawed, how will conservatives
win any arguments?" I just had to bring that up to see if I can
offend anyone.
 
                       --An offensive (and irrelevant) Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:33:12
Message Number  7531

>Yeah but will they ever make "Three's company get it on!"?
>Beatle - *that* would be a menage a trois!
 
Not if they're serial rather than parallel..."Three's Company" always
did strike me as the Commodore 64 of television programming.
 
                       --A singular Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:35:19
Message Number  7532

>>.e
>Comfuggled are we?
 
It comes from naively assuming that this software actually has a
MESSAGE EDITOR.
 
                      --A naive Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: ZIP            
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:36:19
Message Number  7533

An .ARC file is essentially the same thing as a .ZIP file. It is a
file that contains other files which have been compressed to reduce
space. The principle is the same in both cases: I can take a whole bunch
of disk files, use a variety of sophisticated (or not) mathematical
techniques to make them smaller, and put them all together into one
file. Then, with the right program, I can take them all out again and
return them to their original size to use them. Arc files (archives)
end in .ARC; zipped files end in .ZIP.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: NAME                
Subject: Bible          
Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:39:03
Message Number  7534

>I always use the King James version...
 
Bad choice. Nothing personal.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/11/90 03:49:47
Message Number  7535

> Three's Company ... Commodore 64 of television programming.
 
Watch it lowly TRASH 80 USER!
 
"They're the newest sensation since the Beatles.  They're New Kids On
The Block!"  -- People magazine commercial...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 03:51:22
Message Number  7536

.e?   Ahh ... Like .Edit .... OIC now!  :)  Like when I do things like
type 5 or 6 lines without looking at the screen, and then I remember 
that this whatever it is, doesn't have a word-whap!  :)
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ALL                 
Subject: The Great One  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 05:36:37
Message Number  7537

  The Great One was drained due to the massive amount of mental energy 
she'd been forced to expend. She'd barely sensed the bomb in time to 
put a psionic field around it - but if she hadn't, this lounge would 
have been a crater. It wouldn't have bothered her or her familiar much,
as they were practically immortal, but the blast had nearly made 
hamburger of her prey.
  Why would anyone use such a crude device? Big Blue was offering 
mega-credits for the conspirators, but it was essential to keep this
one alive in order to track the others - or were they already here?
It was probably the work of those idiots at Bountyhunters 'R Us - with
their tax structure, they might be using this case for a write-off. In
any event, for now it seemed better to play a waiting game and see if 
this terrorist would tip his hand or lead her to the others. Perhaps
she would have her familiar establish contact with the criminal.
  But for the moment, the Ample One was content to rest and recuperate
from the mental drain of the psionic field. She gave her pet a
telepathic nudge, and Vafthrudner reached down to gently stroke Gjolp's
aching temples.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: claymores      
Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:00:07
Message Number  7538

Actually, the best solution to the poodle piddle problem is to
have a deadman switch on the claymores. Ya set a live electric
charge thru your tripwires, which courses up the stream of poodle
piddle, electifying the canine, and the interupted circuit enables
the mines, blowing yon puppy to hell. A polar bear would never fall
for this, however.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:25:37
Message Number  7539

Bingo! Offensive on the first try! Howza 'bout "Sure I like liberals,
I think everybody ought to own one." Jeez, I lay out for a week and
have nine million messages to read - my eyes are bleeding green.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Bible          
Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:30:35
Message Number  7540

Good for getting off the track....if I ever mention that I'm using
a Douay Bible, many folks will then attack that translation and 
forget the original point, which was....umm.....
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/11/90 09:30:55
Message Number  7541

They are jumbled aren't they.
I was commenting on a topic from another bbs. Sorry about that. Your nam
e should not have the posting. I am sorry that it has happened.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:24:14
Message Number  7542

I feel that when "sexual" context is not involved, there is always 
degrees of a criminal act (or sick act if you prefer). Like hitting
a kids butt with a wooden paddle is okay, but hitting him on the back 
is abuse. Slapping a kid around because he wouldn't be quiet in a 
resteraunt is okay, but doing it because he could figure out how to
fix the radio he broke is abuse. There are many lines of levels until
you cross the "sexual" barrier. Then its' all lumped together. Why
isn't the same opinion held for non-sexual child offenses as are
held for sexual (for by your own admission, sex in these cases is
a form of violence)? Oh yeah, just for sake of arguement, I WAS 
sexually abuse once when I was three and had it held from me until
I was thirty, had nightmares of it all the time. When my mother 
started to tell me about it I described the whole event to her in detail
. Really shocked her...but explained the source of my dreams.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:32:02
Message Number  7543

Ahhhhhhhhh...we CAN't agree on something.. Nooooooooooo. <grin>
Okay, I think we are on the same "wavelength" here. These fell swoops
that society deals out are a pain, look at the music labelling
practice that's been discussed. We may both be hovering around the
same line of opinions, it may be that we're about .0001mm on opposing
sides. <sigh>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:36:25
Message Number  7544

>OUCH!!!
  
You actually CAN get a WORSE picture then I painted???? How long did
it take you to regain your breath? <grin>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:38:31
Message Number  7545

>Bubba Ignatz....
  
My kind of guy. I am opossed to all that kid+knife+animal scene stuff,
but at the time I was niave enough to participate. In high school it
usually ended up being a remake of Elm Street, kids just hacking up
animals for the hell of it. The worst was a practice I believe that
was called "pithing". You would insert a disecting needle in the brain
stem of a frog, thus paralizing him (totally). Then you could disect
him while he was still alive (see the heart beating...etc). A real
Nazi biological practice. Poor guys, I still feel guilty about that
one. <sigh>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:44:39
Message Number  7546

I posted it to make a point (and I believe I made it from the responses)
. It was a most shuddering experiance and still is each time I pass it
along. I think my abdomen has relaxed a little lately....<ohh>. Can't
help but think about it once you've heard it....hehe
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:47:08
Message Number  7547

I believe that Incest, S & M and beastiality (sp), are all perverted 
sexualual acts....I do not like them or agree with them, just that
I live in the same society and have to deal with them.
 
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: AlTNet BBS     
Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:49:34
Message Number  7548

Located in Bradenton, Just moved so its not online, the number is 
755-3289
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:52:30
Message Number  7549

I don't want to take anything away from anyone.  I can feel for you, and
your death of your cousin...AIDS is real and is growing everywhere in
Straights, Gays, and Bi's.  I am not trying to be a "bigot" towards
Gays, that would be silly, cause I am Gay and PROUD of it. (smile)
 
Does that help clear the air a bit?
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:25:47
Message Number  7550

> I /said/ I *liked* the Beatles.
 
  Yeah, but it was in a message AFTER the one I responded to.
 
  Speaking of things that won't be  around in years, has anyone ever 
come across a copy of a record called "The Rutles"??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:30:22
Message Number  7551

> *Very* shapely indeed!
 
  She looks much better now than she did doing "Three's Company". I 
always thought she was too thin, at least on that show...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:33:02
Message Number  7552

> Innovative: Pink Floyd.
> Influential: Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis...
 
  Gheee... okay, you got me. I haven't heard too muchPink Floyd stuff...
I suppose I should. Jerry Lee Lewis? Well, I'm not sure. Which people 
were influenced by Jerry Lee Lewis?? Elvis? Just about any musician 
would say he was influenced by Elvis, but I have no damn idea why. 
(I sould say he or she above...)
 
  When I think of the Beatles being innovative and influential, I think 
more of style in recording, the way recording studios were run, the 
creation of music videos, and a few other things. What kinds of things 
has Pink Floyd been innovative with? (Forgive me if I sound like I'm 
trying to put them down, I'm not. I'm genuinely curious. I don't hear 
much about Pink Floyd at all.)
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:27:06
Message Number  7553

Bad news dude.  The poodle has been fixed (that depends on your point
of view...and just /exactly/ what you think /should/ be fixed) and
therefore cannot breed...sigh.  Such a great idea too.
                                The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Judgement      
Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:34:04
Message Number  7554

Turtle,
I admitted I was young and foolish to cuss at the Judge...but it seemed
the thing to do at the time.  As for cussing at cops: unlike judges
cops carry nasty items like nightsticks, saps, and handcuffs and are
prone to use them when provoked ("Honest Judge, he was resisting arrest
with violence...I /had/ to cave in his skull.").  Talk about the pot
calling the kettle black.
                        The YNgling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Ruttles        
Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:45:31
Message Number  7555

Beatle,
Ive never seen a record called "The Ruttles" but I did see a satirical
television documentary with that title many years ago.  It was a take-
off on The Beatlemania phenomena.
                         The YNgling
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/11/90 21:19:18
Message Number  7559

I kind of understand.  I downloaded PKZ101.EXE and it exploded several
more files onto the disc.  So many infact that it would not all fit
on the floppy.  In a case like that what do you do, load it on your 
hard disc, or is there a way to use 2 floppys with it?  
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:40:15
Message Number  7560

>Gee, thanks, love....save the evil-ness for the 27 when I can really
>experience it! :>
>                    The LAdy
>P.S...'guess dirty minds do think alike.
 
Of course I'm saving it for the 27th.  And who has a dirty mind,
certainly not you!  (snicker)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:42:55
Message Number  7561

Have you been out to the beach or some such non-sense?  Geesh..I hate
the beach, I hate3 the sun.  The sun is fine for plants and heating the
Earth, but humans don't need sun.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:44:39
Message Number  7562

Or maybe "Three's Company: World War III."
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:47:40
Message Number  7563

Kids are a real bad financial investment.  You usually don't make any
money in the long run,n (or the short run).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:50:08
Message Number  7564

>Is the Lady in Black a somber lass?
>With nary a smile o'er her face to pass?
 But she has a really cute...
 
 
Running for my life.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:52:17
Message Number  7565

>> .e
>
>Comfuggled are we?  :)
 
Really, that should be a '/e'  <snicker>
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:53:56
Message Number  7566

Intoxicated: Deathtongue
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:56:30
Message Number  7567

>"They're the newest sensation since the Beatles.  They're New Kids On
>The Block!" -- People magazine commercial...
 
Hehe, that's pretty funny.  You made that up, right?  Your a fairly
funny person.  hehe...newest sensation...hehe
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/11/90 23:04:10
Message Number  7568

If you want to get the poodle to stop peeing on everyone, I've got
some of those platic tie-wraps that lock on.  You can have some if you
want.  But once the poodle starts to turn yellow, remove the tie wrap
and let it out.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Ruttles        
Date & Time: 08/11/90 23:22:04
Message Number  7569

> It was a take-off on the Beatlemania phenomena.
 
  Bingo. And there was a soundtrack album... but I no longer need the
record (well, as a collector, I would want it!) because I found the nre
(oops) new CD today. Awesome. I love Rhino Records. No matter how weird 
the music, they'll put it out. The Rutles CD will probably sell, oh, 5 
copies, but they had the guts to put it out.
 
  By the way, I would love to find a video store that still has a copy 
of that film. I loved it. It had constant in-jokes and it was a product
of Monty Python crossing Saturday Night Live. A wild concoction to say 
the least!!
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:00:23
Message Number  7570

Speaking of unrated movies, most of them seem to deserve to be unrated.
Specifically, I am referring to "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down," now showing at
Oakmont 8 theatres in Bradenton.  Great movie... lots of bad language,
subtitles, a good bit of nudity... but no rating.  Perhaps the reason
that the movie is not rated is because the producers were to cheap to
pay the $1000 rating fee to the MPAA.  Oh well - Oakmont covered their
ass by posting a sign to this effect:  
  ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ADMITTED!!!
If you liked "Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown," you'll like
this one.  God help you if you do.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:08:24
Message Number  7571

Not that you'd know, but Commodore does have a few very entertaining 
games.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:56:29
Message Number  7572

>WHEN LITTLE DOGS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL OWN LITTLE DOGS!
 
 
I'm going to hang that on my wall. (Right after I go out and buy a 
little dog.) It has got to be one of the most hilarious things I have 
ever heard!
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/12/90 01:12:35
Message Number  7573

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAggggggggggg. I retch on thee, Oh lowly slime.
People magazine has justed dropped another notch on my list of things I 
respect (which is to say, they have been transferred to the "Magazines I
would sooner ingest than read" list. The New Kids On The Block are the 
antithesis of all that I hold dear (and I say this with the utmost
contempt). It makes me feel ill just to hear their putrid name uttered.
 
You know...that made me feel much better. Sorry for the outburst, but I 
had to express my opinion. Anyone willing to comment on "THEM" with a
little more objectivity may do so without any fear of my comming over to
their house with a large knife and killing their family. I am a music 
bigot and I know it.
                          < A much relieved Zot.
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: THRUD               
Subject: Polar bears    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 01:25:27
Message Number  7574

Nor should they be expected to.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:44:40
Message Number  7575

>...then I rememberthat this whatever it is, doesn't have word-whap! 
 
No...what it has instead is word /warp/--the amazing ability to take the
word at the end of a line and truncate it for you with no operator
intervention required at all. That way, you can make typos that people
can laugh at without even needing to misspell the word.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:48:25
Message Number  7576

"I like liberals; everyone ought to own one." He he he...I like that.
How 'bout this: A conservative is someone who's too cowardly to
fight and too fat to run.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Bible          
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:50:01
Message Number  7577

Hey, that ain't getting off the subject--sure, any translation of
fragmentary records six zillion years old will have problems. It's just
that the KJV is such an amazingly poor translation that in places it
doesn't even bear passing resemblance to the original Hebrew text--as
poetry, it's great, but as a codification of the principles and beliefs
of the Christian faith, it sucks rocks. A lot of sticky points in
Christianity upon close examination turn out to be nothing more than
translation errors..if you're gonna be debating the fine points of the
religion, it helps to know which are the real bugaboos and which are
ghosts.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:53:18
Message Number  7578

I would not make the claim that /all/ sexual acts to a person below
a specific arbitrary age are acts of violence, I was simply trying to
make the case that sexual abuse of children is just that--abuse. If
yer gonna call those who sexually abuse children "sick," yer also gonna
have to say that people who abuse them are "sick" by exactly the same
logic. Abuse is abuse. In any event, the thrust of that reasoning was
that there is a qualitative difference between sexual abuse of children
and homosexuality, and that labelling them both as "sick" and lumping
them together just don't cut it. *Yawn*...I oughtta be in bed now, but
no.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:57:17
Message Number  7579

Opposing sides nothing--any belief system is a continuum, not a
dichotomy. It's not like you're either in the "for" or "against"
camp--despite what a lot of people would like to believe, there are
simply not any forms of human interaction that are that tidy. We do
seem to be about .001mm apart, but I hardly think that puts us on
"opposing sides."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Animalism?     
Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:59:17
Message Number  7580

Pithing a frog is hardly THAT bad a practice--for all intents and
purposes, when the brain is destroyed the frog is dead. It's not
like he's still aware of what's going on and can't move; the frog's
brain si /gone/. That's not a defense of cutting apart live frogs,
mind you--it's just a clarification of what could quickly become an
emotionally charged misconception. A pithed frog is in any sense that
matters for this sort of thing DEAD.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:02:18
Message Number  7581

Heretic! I most strongly insist you run--don't walk, RUN--to a
record store and pick up a good assortment of Pink Floyd RIGHT NOW!
 
To answer your questions: Pink Floyd, after a bad start during which
they sounded like nothing so much as Beatles wanna-bes, quickly became
known for their tendency to push the limits of whatever recording
technology was available to them (kinda like the Beatles did earlier).
They also did all sorts of rather unusual stuff during thier concerts
(and still do--Pink Floyd concerts are famous for their technical
sophistication, and keeping them touring these days costs about
six hundred thou a week what with their stage setup and all...) It'd
be hard to look at something like "The Wall" and say it was less than
remarkably innovative, as well.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:07:00
Message Number  7582

Try uncompressing the files to the hard disk...that is, after all,
what it's there for! (grin)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: MPAA           
Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:08:45
Message Number  7583

Hmm...that's odd, everything I've read about "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down"
has been pretty positive. 'Course, Siskel and Ebert didn't like it,
but I don't trust those bozos to tell me that I needn't go see the
latest Rambo flick. "Tie Me Up..." was actually rated by the MPAA;
it got an X. The director adamantly refused to edit it down to an "R".
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:11:00
Message Number  7584

>Anyone willing to comment on "THEM" with a little bit more
>objectivity...
 
The New Kids on the Block suck three-day-old camel dung on Interstate
95 near the West Hell exit.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/12/90 08:34:11
Message Number  7585

A liberal in the hand is not worth a Bush. Gee, don't ya wish you'd
voted for Mikey Dukaka? If he'd won, we could have watched his wife
flip out on CNN.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/12/90 08:43:31
Message Number  7586

I don't know if you really want to unzip an unkown file directly to 
your hard disk. Believe it or not, there are unsavory people with
keyboards out there.
 With two floppies, put the file you want to unzip in A: , the default
drive and pkunzip(or whatever decompression program) in the B drive
 at the A promt, just type B:pkunzip filename <return>. The unzipped
file will be on the floppy in A, and you can decide if you want it on
your harddrive or not. This also gives you the opportunity to delete
any READ.ME or printer drivers that you don't need eating up disk space.
'tis best to do this onto newly formatted floppys, that way you can see
what's really in there. Of course, a determined hacker will get by 
casual users like us anyway, but taking a few precautions doesn't hurt.
  Also, do you have the complete PK file or just the PKUNZIP? You
can get the complete file on most bbs's, and scan the docs.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 09:21:10
Message Number  7587

 
> Heretic!
 
  Hey, give me a break! I'm stuck in the pop zone, you know. :) Well, 
thank you for answering my question. I'll have to borrow some Pink Floyd
tapes and listen to them...I dunno who has any. I can't be counted on to
buy them, since my very nature is of a collector. And the worst kind of 
collector is one that has no money... you miss a lot of good stuff, and 
you go out and SPEND as soon as you get some money (and no matter how 
good Pink Floyd are, I'm not making them a priority on my list)..
 
  Speaking of music, I noticed back in the far reaches of a Beatles book
that there was a group called the Futz back in 1970 and, you guessed it,
they only did two songs ever...
  Thought I'd mention that since you (as far as I know) created the 
phrase "futz with it".
===========

From: XTEVE               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/12/90 12:41:14
Message Number  7590

Howdy, C'est Moi.  I found out from Charles that  the "8087" is not the 
same as the "8087-2" in that it is not a chip for a 10 Mhz machine, its
for a 4.7 Mhz machine.  Either he's a good saleman or he's right, so I 
went ahead and bought the chip he had.  Thanks for checking out the one
at your work.  I had AutoCad 10 working for about two minutes and then 
my hard card stuck for good.  So I'm not going to be using much of anyth
ing for a while.  The coprocessor really did speed things up compar-
atively fast though.
  I don't have your home number by the way. 
  P.S. : Rosey1 is looking into getting the HP Plotter driver for you.  
he has the latest release and a release from the recent past, but who 
knows whether they will be compatible...
                   *Bye                  -Xteve
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: gates of...    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:43:46
Message Number  7591

Modesty prevents me from replying...:)
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:47:13
Message Number  7592

>The New Kids On The Block suck three-day-old...exit.
C'mon Turtle, dont beat around the bush...how do you /really/ feel about
the New Kids On The Block?
                       The Yngling
BTW- did ya hear that NBC has created a "New Kids..." clone - The Boys
Next Door and will be giving them their own TV show (in the same manner
that NBC created The Monkees to cash in on the Beatles phenomena)? And
you thought the Fall t.v. schedule was going to suck wombat droppings
didnt you?
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:52:40
Message Number  7593

If you give me blank cassettes I will be happy to make copies of my
extensive Pink Floyd collection.  
  If I only save one mind from the endless pablum being passed off as
music today my life will have had meaning.
                         The Yngling
-I am serious about making the copies.  And ignore The Lady In Black
 if she makes any comments about how I promised to loan her my Box Full
 of Hell and never did. I tried but /she/ wasnt home.
                                     T.Y.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MAX                 
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:57:50
Message Number  7594

-This message is also directed at Turtle, Ken Ober, Bart Fox, and anyone
 involved -
I was sufficiently intriqued by recent postings to pick up a copy of
Mythagoras today...and I was very impressed and enjoyed it very much.
Now, if I only knew the correct way to pronounce the title I would be
a happy camper.
                 The Yngling
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:03:18
Message Number  7596

> And you thought the Fall t.v. schedule was going to such wombat 
> droppings didn't you?
 
  You know, I'm GLAD I'm not going to be home on Saturday mornings. And
you know what scares me more than having the New Kids and Boys Next Door
on Saturday mornings?? I'll bet that CBS tries to combat those shows by 
making their Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show like the current Turtle 
tour going around the country. Yes, they actually dresspeople in Turtle 
suits and make them mimic music!!
 
  But really, the TV season won't  suck wombat droppings. There's a show
called "Ferris Bueler"!!!!
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From: BEATLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:07:43
Message Number  7597

> I am serious about making copies.
 
  Well, if I can get a listen to some samples first, then I'll decide if
I want an extensive collection... I'm working on filling up my blank 
tapes with an extensive Beatle outtake collection... 
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From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: some nonsense  
Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:11:23
Message Number  7598

 
 Some assorted lyrics from a demented song:
 
 I know you know
 What you know
 But you should know
 By now that 
 You're not me.
 
 Hey diddle diddle
 The cat and the fiddle
 Piggy in the middle
 boo boo boo boo
 
 Bible punching
 Heavyweight
 Evangelistic
 Boxing kangaroos
 
 One man's
 Civilization
 Is another man's
 Jungle, yeah.
 
 They say 
 Revolution's in the air
 I'm dancin' in my underwear
 'Cause I don't care.
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