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Public Message
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[36mMessage # 2 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : All
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[33mFrom : Backbone Operations
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[35mSubject : Expiration Warning
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[37mDate : 96/10/06 00:24:00[33m
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Hello.
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The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1 EchoList. It
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seems that the listing for this echo will expire this month. Thus, it is
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necessary for the moderator to update it's listing if it is to remain on the
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Zone 1 Backbone.
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For more information please consult these files: BOFAQxxx.TXT and
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ELISTxxx.ZIP, where "xxx" is the version number. They are available from most
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hubs or can be requested from 1:1/200, 1:1/201, 1:283/120 or 1:396/1.
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If you need assistance, please contact Marge Robbins, 1:283/120.
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Regards,
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Zone 1 Backbone Operations
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[37m--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
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* Origin: Southern Star - V.32b/V.FC/V.34/ISDN - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1)
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Public Message
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[36mMessage # 3 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : All
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
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[35mSubject : rules
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[37mDate : 96/10/07 15:04:05[33m
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(Updated 96/10/07)
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MM1_TECH Fido echo rules and regulations.
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I shall moderate this echo until a suitable replacement is available.
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I do not want to moderate on a permanent basis since I am also a
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Mfgr. Rep. for the MM/1 computer.
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The rules are simple and please follow them as listed below:
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1. No commercial business may be conducted.
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2. No commercial advertising, only announcements of new products
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that become available for the benifit of MM/1 users. Prices
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should also not be quoted but a range may be stated.
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3. Absoulutly no flaming or bad language. Use of such tactics may
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result in your source loosing the echo.
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4. The use of quoting someone elses msg. in making up a reply should
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be limited to only quote the lines that relate to your reply.
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5. When relating a problem and asking for help please include as
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much data about your configuration and boot as possible, include
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edition #'s and CRC of a module in question. Also your hardware
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configuration.
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6. This echo is for information and help so please refrain from
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leaving personal mail that has no benifit for other users.
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For information on sources of hardware and software for the MM/1 call
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The Ocean Beach BBS. The Ocean Beach BBS is also the Fido region 10
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OS9CN OSK library.
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The Ocean Beach BBS tel. # is (619) 224-4878 1,2-16.8K baud 8N1.
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Your MM1_TECH Fido echo moderator, Warren Hrach
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 4 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : Dave Kelly
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
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[35mSubject : USR modems bug
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[37mDate : 96/10/09 07:38:15[33m
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Dave,
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The time you were on and experiancing the pauses when you type in on
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your end is caused by your USR Modem. You can get new ROMS from the mfg
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if you contact them with the trouble. It is not your term program.
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There is a temp fix you can do by setting &K0, no data compression.
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Warren Hrach
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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[36m
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 5 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : Dave Kelly
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[33mFrom : David Graham
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/12 14:44:18[33m
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On Wednesday, September 18th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote:
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DK> Another item to cosider when the final product is produced and made
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DK> available for sale.
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DK> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
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DK> a person could build their own system from components they already
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DK> have around the house as so many of us already do.
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DK> ...
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I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact,
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no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
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more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at
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a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
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mother board enough.
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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[36m
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Public Message
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[36mMessage # 8 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : COWGIRL
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[33mFrom : IVAN SZE
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[35mSubject : DROP
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[37mDate : 96/10/12 16:52:00[33m
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DROP
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___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]
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[37m--- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4H1
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* Origin: Cowgirl's Rodeo *Fido* ->Hub400<- (1:250/401)
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 10 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : David Graham
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[33mFrom : Allen Morgan
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/14 20:56:00[33m
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Hello David!
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Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly:
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DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
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DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already
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DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do.
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DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040 Mac's are
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slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and a GUI (maybe
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resurrect Gwindows), it might sell. You could design a supplemental boot ROM
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or something. The advantage is that if successful, we all get to tap into a
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whole bunch of affordable stuff rather than having yet another obscure
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motherboard. If you design a motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will
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find the resources to get a PCI chipset in correctly? I'll bet it takes more
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than $100,000 to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for.
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Your product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500
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Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc, etc. The
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small guy can't compete anymore.
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Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged...
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Allen
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[37m--- GEcho 1.02+
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* Origin: Graphics Guru -Graphics and More (360)423-2357 (1:3403/17)
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[36m
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 28 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : David Graham
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[33mFrom : Dave Kelly
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/16 21:55:00[33m
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DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact,
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DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
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DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at
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DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
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DG> mother board enough.
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The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
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know it is very easy to give away the store.
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What I am fixing to say, you already know.
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You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
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world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door.
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Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
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new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
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of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.
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Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
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You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
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that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
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Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
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them.
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Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
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One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
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of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
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Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information
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I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
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products are not being marketed aggressively enough.
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...
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* ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
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[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
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* Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)
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[36m
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 34 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : David Graham
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[33mFrom : Dave Kelly
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/16 21:55:00[33m
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DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact,
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DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
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DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at
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DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
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DG> mother board enough.
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The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
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know it is very easy to give away the store.
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What I am fixing to say, you already know.
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You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
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world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door.
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Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
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new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
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of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.
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Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
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You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
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that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
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Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
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them.
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Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
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One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
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of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
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Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information
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I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
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products are not being marketed aggressively enough.
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...
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* ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
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[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
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* Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)
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[36m
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
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[36mMessage # 49 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : David Graham
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[33mFrom : Dave Kelly
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/19 15:53:00[33m
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DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact,
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DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
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DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at
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DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
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DG> mother board enough.
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The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
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know it is very easy to give away the store.
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What I am fixing to say, you already know.
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You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
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world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door.
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Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
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new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
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of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.
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Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
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You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
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that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
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Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
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them.
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Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
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One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
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of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
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Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information
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I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
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products are not being marketed aggressively enough.
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...
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* ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
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[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
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* Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)
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[36m
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Public Message
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[36mMessage # 55 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : Allen Morgan
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[33mFrom : David Graham
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/21 16:59:26[33m
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On Monday, October 14th, 1996 - Allen Morgan wrote:
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AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040 Mac's
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AM> are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and
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AM> a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell. You could design a
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AM> supplemental boot ROM or something. The advantage is that if
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AM> successful, we all get to tap into a whole bunch of affordable stuff
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AM> rather than having yet another obscure motherboard. If you design a
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AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to
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AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly? I'll bet it takes more than $100,000
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AM> to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for. Your
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AM> product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500
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AM> Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc,
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AM> etc. The small guy can't compete anymore.
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AM> Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged...
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AM> Allen
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Allen, I don't know my way around the MacIntosh, but I am looking for
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a board that can be used for serious industrial and commerical uses. I
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don't think the 68040 fits there, indeed the 68060 barely fits. PCI
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can be supported, and I suspect that the cost will be significantly less
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than you would expect. I'm also looking for some commerical uses to
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undertake that would subsidize the personal market - perhaps some
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networked games or simulators -
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Just sign me, -Optimistic in New Orleans.
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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[36mMessage # 57 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : Dave Kelly
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[33mFrom : David Graham
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/21 17:06:22[33m
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On Wednesday, October 16th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote:
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DK> door. Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306
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DK> and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get
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DK> into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it
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DK> capabilities.
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DK> Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last
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DK> year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on
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DK> the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own
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DK> nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit
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DK> waiting for people to come to them.
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DK> Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and
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DK> cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business
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DK> information in the form of sources of venture capital and development
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DK> plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of
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DK> this information
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DK> I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
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DK> products are not being marketed aggressively enough.
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DK> ...
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DK> * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
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Dave, you are entirely right. I too have though about this.
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Unfortunately, I am also still right. Without margin there is no money
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to spend on promotions. The AT306 relies on its resellers to provide
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their own capital for promotion without regaining that capital from
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sales. That has stunted sales. It would do the same thing with a new
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board. The price HAS to come up. In order for the price to come up,
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you must either sell whole systems only, or sell a more powerful
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motherboard. Or you must CREATE your won markets with other products.
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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[36mMessage # 93 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : Allen Morgan
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[33mFrom : David Hazelton
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[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
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[37mDate : 96/10/24 19:24:00[33m
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-=> Quoting Allen Morgan to David Graham <=-
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AM> Hello David!
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AM> Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly:
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DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
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DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already
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DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do.
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DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are
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DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
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AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040
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AM> Mac's are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9
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AM> and a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell.
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AM> If you design a
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AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to
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AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly?
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I just read that IBM was releasing there specs on there
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LONG TRAIL MOTHERBOARD for the taking. It is a PowerPC PCI based Motherboard
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with both MAC and PC connectors and support. IBM isn't going to mass
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produce these boards, but is giving the specs out free so some motherboard
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cloner can mass produce it. It isn't PPCP compliant yet, because you still
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need a option APPLE ROM card to run MAC-OS. Maybe that would be something
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to look into. If you can have these made at reasonable cost and Port your
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personal OS-9 to 601 code so when I actually buy a new computer it isn't
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using 10 year old parts. Within 6 months I am hopefully going to buy a
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new OS-9 computer...MM1B. I do feel a little uneasy about the Motherboard
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and will be willing to buy a more "upto date" Motherboard. I want something
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that I can replace in 10 years, not having to "hunt" for old technology to
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keep it running.
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Just a thought
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~David Hazelton
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... Stupidity is using a PC emultor on a MAC to read CoCo/OS-9 messages.
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___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]
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[37m--- GrayQwkMail 2.1
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* Origin: ACS Inc. BBS 404-636-2991 (1:133/510)
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[36m
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Public Message
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[36mMessage # 97 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
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To : All
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
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[35mSubject : For sale
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[37mDate : 96/10/26 09:46:40[33m
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For Sale:
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Hardware
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1 CoCo III w/6309 CPU, 512K PBJ mem, Diode IRQ hack. (runs cool)
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1 Multipak, white small case
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1 Floppy Controller, J&M w/switch for an alternate ROM.
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1 B&B HD Controller w/WD MFM controller and Hardware clock
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1 Ken-Ton Dual RS232pak, w/6551a acia chips.
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1 Floppy drive case w/2 DSDD Teac 360k drives, 1 external 3.5" 720 drive.
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1 Hard drive case w/1 20 meg Seagate and 1 40 meg Seagate drives.
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1 External HD power supply for above HD's
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Software
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Nitros9 version 1.6
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RiBBS V2.11 (beta) (the Ocean Beach BBS 1:202/745)
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Supercomm
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Osterm
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Ved (word processor)
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Stylograph (word processor)
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Dynacalc
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Complete RiBBS available files on HD.
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Complete MM/1 available files on HD.
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Tandy OS9 level 2 on original disks.
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OS9 manuals and docs.
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Optional
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1 Monochrome 13" monitor (green on black) $25.00
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1 Anchor 2400 baud modem (hayes compatible) $15.00
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1 Avatex 1200 baud modem, $10.00
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I would prefer to sell this as an complete system for
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$350.00 plus shipping. $375.00 with monitor.
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If I do not get any offers by Nov. 15th I will break
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up the system and sell piecemeal.
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This system has been running continuously for several years
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and the BBS works with a 14,400 baud Hi Speed modem at
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9600 baud (no lost chars).
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Warren Hrach, RiBBS/RiBBS_MM1 beta sysop.
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Voice tel. (619) 221-8246
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Data tel. (619) 224-4878 RiBBS_MM1 Ocean Beach BBS (1:202/745)
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Internet. (warren@ocnbeach.maximumaccess.com)
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[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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* Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 support BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)
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[37m
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[31m=*= [32mFIDO ECHO MESSAGES MENU [31m=*=[36m
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<1> Scan \
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<2> Read > OS9 Echo mail
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<3> Leave /
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<4> Scan \
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<5> Read > CoCo Echo mail
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<6> Leave /
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<A> Scan \
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<B> Read > MM1_TECH Echo Mail
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<C> Leave /
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<G>o back to Main Menu
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<P>revious Menu (Messages Menu)
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[35m[[37m58[35m][33m Command [37m>>> |