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93102 22-JUL 14:17 Applications (6809)
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RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93101)
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From: BOISY To: WDTV5
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I noticed this too this morning. It seems chestnut is no longer
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working with anonymous logins.
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93113 23-JUL 01:58 Applications (6809)
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RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93102)
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From: MITHELEN To: BOISY
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maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-)
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93146 25-JUL 20:08 Applications (6809)
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RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93113)
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From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
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> maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-)
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Let's hope it's something like that :-)
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93103 22-JUL 17:40 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93099)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
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Gene,
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Correct. Supercomm only knows enough about zmodem to spot the start and
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fork off rz or sz. From there on, it's rz/sz's ball. The only control
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Supercomm has is to kill off rz/sz at the operators request, under
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certain conditions.
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We were specificly talking about ascii captures, but SuperComm will also
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toss out linefeeds if it feels an xmodem/ymodem download is ascii text.
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Randy
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93111 23-JUL 01:57 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93076)
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From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
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> Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
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> telecommunications?
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> If I use the
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> buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced
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> list.
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That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with
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OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
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want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
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until a true LF is sent.
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There are a couple of solutions.
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1. use a utility to strip out LF's
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2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
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3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't
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work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
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own linefeeds.
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If you want to use option 1, don't have a LF stripper and cannot find
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one, let me know and I'll send you something I wrote.
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You can write one in B09, but it is rather slow.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93114 23-JUL 02:38 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098)
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From: DOMM To: WDTV5
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Gene---
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>I don't know if you can. .....
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I just got through setting up SuperComm. Don't think I'll bother trying
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to fix the spacing of the capture buffer in Warp1. SuperComm has more
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to offer.
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---Dom
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93115 23-JUL 02:44 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111)
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From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
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David---
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I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have setup
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SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible.
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---Dom
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93121 23-JUL 12:44 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080)
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From: 01GEN40 To: WDTV5
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Hello Gene,
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I do not know to whom this message should be directed, so I am
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sending it to you. A while back I wrote a utility that will take
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any text file and strip out any and all unwanted characters. I
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wrote it in such a way that the output can be redirected to the
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printer or to a new file. It can be sent to the screen but there
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is no pause capability in it. It also paginates the output. If
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wanted, I can put together a little DOC file and upload it here.
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let me know. See ya among the stars...
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Ya know, I was just thinking. I wonder what it would do to an
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executible file. I think I may see just what it will do, might
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prove to be quite interesting! I will let you know.
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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93123 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080)
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From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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> The best bet is prolly a proggy I got from here, call "tr".
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> Usage syntax is "tr 10 13 filename" which will convert any linefeeds
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> in the file to cr's. Or look for a lf stripper util.
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He'd still have a double-space printout..
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Might try another option. I don't know if it would work for the CoCo or
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not.. If you have VED, You might try loading it into it. I know the
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OSK version (2.0, anyway) will strip out the LF's, you can save it
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in DOS format if you want, but without specifying, it will save it
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without the LF's.. It's late tonight, I won't try now, but you might give
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it a shot.
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-- David Breeding --
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93124 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098)
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From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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> I don't know as you can. I solved this a long time back by writing a
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> quick and dirty little thing in Basic09 that copiesn the file byte by
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> byte UNLESS the byte is a linefeed ($0A) in which case its thrown away.
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If there's no linefeed strip here, I wrote one in Assembly. It does
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the read with ReadLn, and I cannot remember, right now, it _may_
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only look at the first character on that line.. If y'all want me
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to, I'll upload it.. or email it to anyone who wants it. I'll provide
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the source, too, for anyone who doesn't like they way it does <G>
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I originally tried it in B09 but it was a little slow for huge files.
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> I originally did it so's the basic09 listings I was doing weren't dbl
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> spaced later, AND because when basic09 does a "save" it also uses
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> linefeeds.
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Yah.. those linefeeds were really aggravating for listings.. that's for
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sure.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93128 23-JUL 18:25 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93103)
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From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
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Yeah, but zmodem is *supposed* to handle that too. Pity it doesn't when its
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controlled by the sender and told its text mode stuffs. Its not a huge prob
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to me, but I expect there are those who *are* a bit put off by it.
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Do you have yet another vversion in the works? One item I'd like to see is
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for the next version of SC to drop the echo into a black hole for the
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duration of an ascii text send, I think it gets confused by trying to
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process the echo *sometimes*, particularly when the file going out is
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larger than 32k or so. I'd like to see some scripting over and above the
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dial.adf file allows too. But understand I'm not squawking too loud, I
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also use most of the comm proggies on the amiga, term43 at the moment, and
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SC *STILL* does some things better!
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Cheers - Gene
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93129 23-JUL 18:38 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93121)
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From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40
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An executable? Well, first, it will change all the machine code references
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to the extra register sets to an illegal opcode, or a different one. In other
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words, the resultant will fail 2 ways, first being the crc check that os9
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*normally* subjects anything it notes is executable when its loaded to
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do a F$Fork or F$Chain to. Second, is that the modified code will no doubt
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crash spectacularly. The reason I used the '*' above is that there are
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util/patches for os9 that do turn the crc checking on/off, part of a speedup
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patch set for Nitros9 for instance. 1.22 itself will probably default that
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to off. I have mixed feelings about that myself, but then disk drives have
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become about 10-3 times more dependable in the last decade. I have not had
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a hard drive data error in over a year that I didn't create! Floppies here
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are still in the so-so category though.
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Have fun Gene - Gene
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93131 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93123)
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From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
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Correct of course, I was asleep too! I think the same can be said for the
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patchkit that makes 'vi' outta 'TSEDIT'. It will show you a ? as the first
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character in the line IF its a linefeed riddled file. I spose if the file
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had lf/cr instead of cr/lf's then the last character would be displayed
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as a '?'. Anyway, when I see that, I just exit without saving, and use my
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stripper on it.
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Cheers Dave, Gene
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93132 23-JUL 18:43 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93124)
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From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
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I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do
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upload yyours.
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Cheers Dave, Gene
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93139 24-JUL 19:23 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93131)
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From: JOHNREED To: WDTV5
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And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer....
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I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut
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(before it quit letting me in -- ??). Autolf converts
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any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify. The
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archive contains source, and compiled executables for DOS,
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OSK and 6809/OS-9 machines. I even got it to compile on
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my OS-9000 critter. -- Not bad.
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The author is Mike Tozer - mike@vk3.demon.co.uk
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Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
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formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
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JohnW
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93147 25-JUL 20:08 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93115)
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From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
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> I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have
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> setup
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> SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible.
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That's a good choice. I used it some (I was kinda hooked on OSTerm, though)
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and it does have some good features. As with everything else, there's
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a thing or two that could stand some fixing <G>, but it is a pretty
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neat comm program.
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Not familiar with FIXTXT, does it completely strip out LF's?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93149 25-JUL 22:44 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93147)
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From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
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David---
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> (RE:Fixtxt)...does it completely strip out LF's?
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Seems to. Don't know that much about it except that it works easily.
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> (SuperComm) ...a thing or two that could stand some fixing <G>
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Actually, I seem to have a another problem with getting it completely
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working corectly. (Randy?...Anybody?...Help!) I'm sure its not SuperComms'
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fault.
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First, am I right in assuming that when SuperComm connects, it
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kills the overlay and sounds a "TONE" signaling connection? It seems
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that it did this at a few times. (?) Well...it doesn't anymore. I tried
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everything I could do to repeat the situation but......
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Mine stays at the box until you press the spacebar. No connect tone either.
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Also, I can't get it to auto login. Maybe the two are connected someway?
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There is still a small "echo" problem as stated to Randy earlier, that
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hasn't been completely scoped out yet. Can these things be tied together
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or are they different problems. Or is some modem command out of wack?
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ANY THOUGHTS?
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---Dom
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93151 26-JUL 00:20 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139)
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From: WDTV5 To: JOHNREED
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Thanks John, and I was beginning to think chestnut was picking on me. That
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problem does need a fix however since it is/was our archive site! I don't
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have the means to pursue it, but someone with 9600 baud access should see
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if they can get thru and find out what the problem is. Hummm, is there such
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a thing as "postmaster@chesnut.cs.wisc.edu"?
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Cheers, Gene
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93152 26-JUL 00:29 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93151)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
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Jim posted a response on the CoCo listserv. If I remember correctly, they
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did a software upgrade, annonymous got broken, and Jim was trying to meet
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up with the sys admin to get it straightened out. Things should get back
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to normal soon with chestnut, I hope. :>
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Randy
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93159 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED
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> And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer....
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>
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> I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut
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> (before it quit letting me in -- ??). Autolf converts
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> any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify.
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I saw discussion of it. I understand it does about any combination
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of cr/lf lf/cr, etc.
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> Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
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> formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
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Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have
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an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this
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thread began..
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-- David Breeding --
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93160 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93132)
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From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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> I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do
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> upload yyours.
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> Cheers Dave, Gene
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I know.. I tried one under B-09 and it was really slow.. OK for small
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files, but huge ones took forever.. I'll dig it out and see what I did
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with it. I can't remember if I just looked at the first character in
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the line or not..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93163 27-JUL 00:30 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93152)
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From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
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So do I. Thanks Randy, Gene
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93168 29-JUL 08:31 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93159)
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From: JOHNREED To: DBREEDING
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> > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
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> > formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
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> Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have
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> an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this
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> thread began..
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I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too.
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JohnW
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93170 29-JUL 15:45 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93168)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED
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> > > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
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> > > formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
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> >
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> > Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have
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> > an older version for the coco,
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> I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too.
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I could check it out myself. Actually, this would probably be the easiest
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way to do it.. All you have to do in the OSK version, the latest, at
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least, is to make one change in the file and then save. The version I
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have does not save unless something has been done.. If there are CR's
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at the begin of the file, I just delete one of them, or just hit space
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and then backspace and that'll do it.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93104 23-JUL 01:47 Telecom (6809)
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RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084)
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From: JMURPHY To: MITHELEN
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> Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it
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> GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours
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> today playing... lots of fun...
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> --
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> Paul
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Cooool!! Will it allow users to read Forum messages,
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and d'l files from Databases? Or does it only allow Delphi
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to act as an Internet Service Provider?
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John Murphy
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93109 23-JUL 01:56 Telecom (6809)
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RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93104)
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From: MITHELEN To: JMURPHY
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Right now, it only is set up to act at a internet service provoider... Delphi
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actually has a seperate system set up for the Beta testers to log into. I
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believe that the future plan will be to allow full delphi access. Right now
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at least you can telnet back to delphi.com and access your standard Delphi
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account. I'll try to keep ya all informed as I learn more...
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BTW, I have no idea why I was chosen as a beta tester... perhaps cause I am
|
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part of a SIG staff, or perhaps I signed up for the Internet sig the first day
|
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it was available... it sure is fun testing a new thing though!
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--
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Paul
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-*-
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93292 13-AUG 19:21 Telecom (6809)
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RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084)
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From: KSCALES To: MITHELEN
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> Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it
|
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> GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours
|
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> today playing... lots of fun...
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Hi, Paul -
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Can you access this from your OS-9 system? Is it fullscreen? Details,
|
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man, details! <g>
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Regards... / Ken
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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93305 14-AUG 01:52 Telecom (6809)
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RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93292)
|
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From: MITHELEN To: KSCALES
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No Ken, sorry to say, it is PC/MSWindows based. Mac version is planed, but
|
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a lot of other folks will be outa luck... But, from what I can tell, if you
|
|
had a PPP driver, and Netscape/Mosaic on any other type of system, I don't
|
|
see why it would't work with the new planed service, you just wouldn't
|
|
get the "Delphi Shell" which is menubar interface to the bundled packages.
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|
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I've been meaning to try to connect to the beta service with my Sun and
|
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X-Windows/Mosaic to confirm this, just been too busy lately.
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--
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Paul
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End of Thread.
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93105 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
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RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024)
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From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
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> Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or
|
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> any other means for that matter, in finding what device is
|
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> currently using the std input path(#0)?
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Can't you use SS.DevNm ($0E) for that?
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reg.a = [path #]
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reg.b = $0e (SS.DevNm)
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reg.x = ADDR( 32-byte buffer for name string)
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After calling GetStatt, to Basic09-ize it, you need to find the last char
|
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in the devnam string, clear the MSB, and append an $FF
|
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|
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|
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> C, but want to get a couple B09 projects out of the way first. Not
|
|
> abandoning B09, I just have to learn C SOON.
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|
|
I think C is really neat. I was truly impressed by B09, it has some
|
|
really neat and powerful features. The biggest gripe about it was
|
|
when you wanted to write multi-module programs, and tried to pass
|
|
a complex data structure between them, then you had to redefine it
|
|
for each module you wanted to use it in. This becomes quite a
|
|
hassle for complex programs. With C, if you want, you can define
|
|
all variables in one file and use this file for all files. Just
|
|
takes one little trick..
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|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
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|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93127 23-JUL 15:38 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93105)
|
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From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember
|
|
you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with it.
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See Ya
|
|
>Chris<
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-*-
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93158 26-JUL 20:40 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93127)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
> Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember
|
|
> you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with
|
|
> it.
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|
|
|
Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.
|
|
|
|
What will be returned, remember, is the device name with the MSB
|
|
set. You will need a routine to parse the name... Could you use
|
|
F$PrsNm (or is it I$)? Anyway, would it point to the last character?
|
|
Then you would have to POKE LAND( PEEK(that location), $7f)...
|
|
|
|
Then, POKE the value $FF into the next memory location.
|
|
|
|
Do you use "gfx3"? If so, would you like for me to add that function
|
|
to it? I could have it return a BASIC-ized string if need be.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
|
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|
|
93204 1-AUG 01:13 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
> Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or
|
|
> any other means for that matter, in finding what device is
|
|
> currently using the std input path(#0)?
|
|
|
|
Chris:
|
|
|
|
Here's something I threw together. I think this should do what you
|
|
wanted to do.. You should be able to cut this out and load it into Basic
|
|
as is. All you may need to do is set it to the left margin, or at
|
|
least the first line.. It seems that this line has to start at left
|
|
margin.. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..
|
|
|
|
It may be too general for what you wanted, but this is the basic idea..
|
|
I didn't hardcode STDIN into it, but you pass the path to the procedure.
|
|
|
|
You might want to make some modifications to it.. I had it require a
|
|
33-byte string instead of a 32-byte string to allow for the $FF string
|
|
delimiter for Basic. Also, you might want to change some of the error
|
|
handling...
|
|
|
|
---------------------- cut -----------------------
|
|
PROCEDURE gs_devnam
|
|
|
|
PARAM path:INTEGER
|
|
PARAM devnam:STRING[34]
|
|
|
|
TYPE register=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER
|
|
DIM Reg:register
|
|
DIM plac:INTEGER
|
|
|
|
(* First, make sure we have a big enough string storage space
|
|
|
|
(* Note: string size defined above purposely extra large, then
|
|
(* . the size test below will work *)
|
|
IF SIZE(devnam)<33 THEN
|
|
ERROR 56 \(* Parameter error you might want it to tell more
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
|
|
Reg.A=path
|
|
Reg.B=$0E \(* SS.DevNm
|
|
devnam="/" \(* start with a leading slash
|
|
Reg.X=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* leave space for leading slash
|
|
RUN SysCall($8D,Reg)
|
|
|
|
IF LAND(Reg.CC,$01)<>0 THEN
|
|
ERROR Reg.B
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
|
|
(* Now normalize to Basic09 format *)
|
|
|
|
plac=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* First char past "/"
|
|
|
|
WHILE LAND(PEEK(plac),$80)=0 DO
|
|
plac=plac+1
|
|
ENDWHILE
|
|
|
|
POKE plac,LAND(PEEK(plac),$7F)
|
|
POKE plac+1,$FF
|
|
|
|
---------------------- cut -----------------------
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
93211 1-AUG 22:31 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93204)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David,
|
|
|
|
> .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..
|
|
|
|
Here's a tip to use in all your replies. Just use a ` .LT ' at
|
|
the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return.
|
|
This tells Delphi _not_ to format your text that follows.
|
|
|
|
That is, Delphi will do a Literal Translation of everything that
|
|
follows after the ` .LT '. Hope this helps...
|
|
|
|
--
|
|
John -
|
|
|
|
Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93214 2-AUG 20:42 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93158)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
>>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<<
|
|
|
|
I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number,
|
|
something like 17220 or close to that. I got your later message on
|
|
how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I
|
|
read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a
|
|
real name, with just the last character's least significant bit
|
|
set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not
|
|
even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on
|
|
devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho,
|
|
because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm
|
|
using, and I want to come back to that when I try it.
|
|
|
|
Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix
|
|
like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for
|
|
Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've
|
|
gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS
|
|
what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now
|
|
returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that
|
|
test which device name(number) it is.
|
|
|
|
Here's a snippet...
|
|
|
|
10 RUN syscall($8D,regs)
|
|
BASE 0
|
|
|
|
(* This is where I get the error 55
|
|
IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then
|
|
do...
|
|
|
|
And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf)
|
|
|
|
IF redirect THEN
|
|
IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file
|
|
And, then, from Pipe...
|
|
IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe
|
|
|
|
Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2.
|
|
Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base
|
|
of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to
|
|
the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried
|
|
numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0
|
|
and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy
|
|
to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress...
|
|
|
|
Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but
|
|
the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing
|
|
it and using it from the command line since the command mode in
|
|
basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the
|
|
error 55. It came pretty close a few times, but it was still
|
|
munged up, I worked on it some more and now it's even worse, and I
|
|
can't remember half of the other things that were wrong it's
|
|
gotten so complicated. If I was writing a new killer app like a
|
|
spreadsheet, I wouldn't feel so down about this, but it's just
|
|
another DELETE utility I've been working on for about 2 years
|
|
now!<G> And I'm not even doing in C or Assembly( I don't dare to
|
|
think about it).
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I'll get back with further details when I dig up a bit more...
|
|
See ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93216 2-AUG 21:27 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93211)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
> > .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..
|
|
>
|
|
> Here's a tip to use in all your replies. Just use a ` .LT ' at
|
|
> the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return.
|
|
|
|
I instructed IX to send it unformatted, but I went in and looked at
|
|
the request (within IX) to send that message and it didn't say it was
|
|
going to do so. I didn't see anything at the first of the message as
|
|
it was input, but I _did_ see a dot command on the last line, but
|
|
I've forgotten what it was.. It could have been .lt, I'm not sure..
|
|
|
|
I just didn't want to take any chances <G>
|
|
|
|
BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself? I tried it for stdout
|
|
and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good..
|
|
|
|
If anyone is using gfx3, I can add that function to it.. I kinda thought
|
|
I had done so, but looking at my docs, it doesn't appear so..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93217 2-AUG 22:11 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93214)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
> >>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<<
|
|
>
|
|
> I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number,
|
|
> something like 17220 or close to that.
|
|
|
|
I'm not sure what you are doing, there.... A value? In my suggestion
|
|
(the first, general one, you pass the address of a pre-defined text
|
|
buffer into the reg.x..
|
|
|
|
> I got your later message on
|
|
> how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I
|
|
> read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a
|
|
> real name, with just the last character's least significant bit
|
|
> set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not
|
|
> even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on
|
|
> devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho,
|
|
> because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm
|
|
> using, and I want to come back to that when I try it.
|
|
|
|
Just enter that message into a text editor, cut out everything before
|
|
and after each of the lines "---- cut ---". Then, you should delete
|
|
all preceding spaces.. in each line. Save this and probably rename
|
|
it to gs_devname.b09 or whatever. Then it should load into Basic09.
|
|
|
|
To call it, you first set up a string of at least 33 characters in the
|
|
calling program.. Then, for what you are wanting to do, just do the
|
|
call as "RUN gs_devnam(0,buffername)" Note, Do NOT pass buffername
|
|
as ADDR, but just the string variable name.. The program will normalize
|
|
it to Basic09 format.. it will do everything, and place it in that string.
|
|
|
|
When you return to the calling program, you then can test that device
|
|
name.. It will be preceded by a leading slash. If you are typing in
|
|
from /w7, the string will contain "/w7"+$FF.
|
|
|
|
I am assuming this is what you want. Oh, for general purposes, if you
|
|
pass the path as a variable, it *MUST* be an integer variable, not
|
|
a byte..
|
|
|
|
> Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix
|
|
> like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for
|
|
> Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've
|
|
> gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS
|
|
> what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now
|
|
> returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that
|
|
> test which device name(number) it is.
|
|
>
|
|
> Here's a snippet...
|
|
>
|
|
> 10 RUN syscall($8D,regs)
|
|
> BASE 0
|
|
>
|
|
> (* This is where I get the error 55
|
|
> IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then
|
|
> do...
|
|
|
|
How are you getting pd_dtp? You would have to have done _gs_opt to
|
|
get this.. What's optbuffer?
|
|
|
|
> And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf)
|
|
>
|
|
> IF redirect THEN
|
|
> IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file
|
|
> And, then, from Pipe...
|
|
> IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe
|
|
|
|
Is optbuffer an opt buffer gotten by _gs_opt? If so, then you need to
|
|
have set this up by a TYPE statement.. And this would have to be
|
|
referenced as "optbuffer.pd_dtp"
|
|
|
|
If you're just trying to determine the device type, then you don't need
|
|
the devname call, just the gs_opt call (actually, do a GetStt using
|
|
the SS.Opt number.
|
|
|
|
Again, it is possible that you could utilize "gfx3" for this.. I know this
|
|
call is in there.. However, you need to set up an Opt buffer with the
|
|
TYPE statement. Look into your Tech Manual at the Opt buffer, or look
|
|
at your os9defs file in your SYS directory.. Set up the buffer def,
|
|
using BYTE types for 1-byte values, and INTEGER's for two-byte values.
|
|
Now you are on your way.
|
|
|
|
> Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2.
|
|
> Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base
|
|
> of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to
|
|
> the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried
|
|
> numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0
|
|
> and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy
|
|
> to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress...
|
|
|
|
It _is_ in the manual, of sorts.. you just have to interpret it a
|
|
little <G>
|
|
|
|
> Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but
|
|
> the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing
|
|
> it and using it from the command line since the command mode in
|
|
> basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the
|
|
> error 55. It came pretty close a few times,
|
|
|
|
The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_ be leaving
|
|
the variables randomized with whatever value happens to be in the space
|
|
allocated for that variable, and not set to zero.. I can't remember..
|
|
It seems that between RS-Basic and Basic09, one presets all initialized
|
|
variables to zero and the other doesn't... it's been a while.. But,
|
|
from what I'm looking at, you may not be going at the problem in the
|
|
way you think you are.
|
|
|
|
If you want to, give us a capsule review of exactly what you are trying
|
|
to do.. As I said, if all you are trying to do is determine the TYPE
|
|
of device you are reading, then you don't need gs_devnm, but the
|
|
gs_opt call.. or it seems more applicable.
|
|
|
|
If you're trying to determine the type from the name, you have a lot of
|
|
variances to consider... Just for drives, you have /d0, /d1, /d2, /h0,
|
|
on... <G> And how many serial devices do we have?.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93314 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
|
|
RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93217)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
>>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<<
|
|
|
|
It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at
|
|
now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks
|
|
as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device
|
|
using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly
|
|
able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which
|
|
would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my
|
|
PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it
|
|
most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is
|
|
working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the
|
|
problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather
|
|
straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it
|
|
wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin).
|
|
|
|
By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is
|
|
called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section
|
|
which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the
|
|
program).
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Where I'm at now, my parameter reading section is rather clumsy
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looking, and I'm looking into another way of reading the options
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off the command line as I think problems with that area alone are
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responsible for me getting 6 different results for every 5 times I
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run it. I'm serious, this program is mega diced up now, I really
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brought the axe out on this one. Partly my fault for letting so
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much time lapse between sessions with it(which I can't help),
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therefore causing me to forget a lot of details, and also mostly
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I'm blaming Tandy and it's manuals again for dropping the ball(on
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my foot), and not educating me on these pitfalls ;-)
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After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF
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statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to
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use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather
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each one has a different way of gathering filenames.
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>>The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_
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be leaving the variables randomized with whatever value happens to
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be in the space...<<
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Yes, Basic09 does this, and that is probably the problem here. I
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had to insert a couple more variables to be preinit'd. I'll have
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to print it out and check for more loose cannons.
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See Ya
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>Chris< 'the tired and confused<G>'
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93328 18-AUG 01:02 General Information
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RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93314)
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From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
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> >>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<<
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>
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> It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at
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> now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks
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> as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device
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> using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly
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> able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which
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> would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my
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> PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it
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> most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is
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> working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the
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> problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather
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> straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it
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> wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin).
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>
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> By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is
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> called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section
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> which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the
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> program).
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I think I already told you this, I can't remember. But if I remember
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correctly, you had attempted to create a 32-byte ARRAY. You can't do
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it this way. What you need to do is set up a structure, using the
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TYPE statement. Look in your manual at the OPT structure. Set up
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the structure by defining each element using as much similar name
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as you can. Where the element is one byte, set it up as a BYTE, where it
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is two bytes, set it up as INTEGER. Then you DIM a variable to this
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type, say DOPT. Then, to read the device type, just read the
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variable DOPT.TYP (or whatever).
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> After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF
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> statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to
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> use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather
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> each one has a different way of gathering filenames.
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I've forgotten what you are doing.. You're reading a directory, right?
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Maybe if you refreshed our memories on what you are doing..?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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93106 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
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RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93039)
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From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE
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Hey, Digigrade, long time, no see...
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> (boy, what a thread, nerds with ovens :)
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Heh-heh.. _this_ bunch is liable to talk about _anything_ <G>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93219 3-AUG 02:03 General Information
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RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93074)
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From: DIGIGRADE To: ISC
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Actually, I have been eating better. Geez seemed like ages ago I
|
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posted that. Or wrote it that is. Stir fry vegitables (yes vegi-tables),
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chicken & rice (golden sautee' mostly) and the occasional meat or pasta
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dish. You can add a potato to just about anything too.
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Dave
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End of Thread.
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93107 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
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RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93040)
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From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE
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> Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
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> Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
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Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" <G>
|
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machine ;-)
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> powered up InfoXpress again and found requests waiting! Well, I had to
|
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> delete most of them because people think your a real dweeb responding
|
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> to a 3 month old message.
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> Anyhow, part of why I'm back on the MM/1 day to day is because
|
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> Delphi readers for other machines are grotesque.
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|
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> I have to thank you again Bill for
|
|
> such an awesome mail reader! To think a program this useful is actually
|
|
> on OS9/6809 is hard. The like hasn't been seen for allmost a decade.
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IMO, it _is_ a truly great piece of work. I depend on it entirely for
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my mail here and on CI$
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93260 8-AUG 16:01 General Information
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RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93107)
|
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From: DIGIGRADE To: DBREEDING
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> > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
|
|
> > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
|
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>
|
|
> Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" <G>
|
|
> machine ;-)
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Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
|
|
the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a
|
|
68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone know
|
|
why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the MM/1?
|
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(I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or do they
|
|
all work for Microware now? :)
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93262 8-AUG 21:03 General Information
|
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RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: DIGIGRADE
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|
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On 8-AUG 16:01 DIGIGRADE said to DBREEDING
|
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> > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
|
|
> > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I
|
|
>have >
|
|
> > Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" <G>
|
|
> > machine ;-)
|
|
> Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
|
|
> the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a
|
|
> 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
|
|
>know why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the
|
|
>MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or
|
|
>do they all work for Microware now? :)
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|
Bill Wittman has a few 68340 accellerator kits available. Try getting in
|
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touch with him about that!
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Francis (Frank) Swygert
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Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
|
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`[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered
|
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93263 9-AUG 07:21 General Information
|
|
RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: DIGIGRADE
|
|
|
|
> Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
|
|
> the MM/1's getting a little old.
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|
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|
Only a little, IMHO--I plan to keep using mine for some time. The only
|
|
things that I really wish were different are
|
|
|
|
- the decision to go with XT-flavored keyboards. (That's one that I
|
|
really can't figure.)
|
|
- tying it to the VSC chip. (I guess the thought of doing CD-i sorts
|
|
of things, or maybe video a la Amiga, was tempting, but OTOH, it was
|
|
getting hard to find 15.whatever KHz scan rate monitors even then,
|
|
and I'd really like to have more text on the screen and nicer fonts
|
|
than one can do in 8 * 8.)
|
|
|
|
(There's a minor thing or two I wish were different, notably that I
|
|
wish the boards and such would go in PClonish cases without drilling
|
|
and other finagling. I want to switch to one of those dual 3.5/5.25"
|
|
floppies, and I'd like to go to a minitower case so one wouldn't have
|
|
to pull all the peripherals to move any of them.)
|
|
|
|
I may have to check out the 10 Mbyte hack; I ran out of RAM compiling
|
|
lout with Ultra C. (lout does some of the kinds of things that X
|
|
windows source does (or did last time I looked at it), namely heavily
|
|
used the preprocessor to do the moral equivalent of inlining.)
|
|
|
|
> Now if there could be an MM/x with a
|
|
> 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
|
|
> know why we can't plug in an '040?
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|
|
|
Probably the main thing is that the 68340, like the 68070, has some on-chip
|
|
hardware that the 040 doesn't. (DMA and serial I/O come to mind.)
|
|
|
|
> What upgrades could be made to the MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors)
|
|
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|
You'd have to ask a hardware person that question.
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|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
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93281 12-AUG 14:53 General Information
|
|
RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE
|
|
|
|
> > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
|
|
> > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
|
|
> >
|
|
> > Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" <G>
|
|
> > machine ;-)
|
|
>
|
|
> Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
|
|
> the MM/1's getting a little old.
|
|
|
|
Great to see such enthusiasm. I dunno whether I'd worry about my MM/1
|
|
yet. It has a few features that are really neat.
|
|
|
|
> Now if there could be an MM/x with a
|
|
> 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
|
|
> know why we can't plug in an '040?
|
|
|
|
A 68040 would be neat. My system, a System 5, has a plug-in CPU board.
|
|
As of now, the highest CPU available is a 33 MHz 68020. I am a little
|
|
afraid, though that it will not be economically feasible for them to
|
|
design any further CPU boards. I really don't know about the demand.
|
|
|
|
> Are there enough programmers left or do
|
|
> they all work for Microware now? :)
|
|
|
|
Heh-heh.. MW may be getting all of them <G>...
|
|
|
|
I have not seen anything -new- coming out lately. There have been some
|
|
upgrades to software. But you never know when something will pop up.
|
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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93108 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93061)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
|
|
|
|
> The only real problems that I have had was with the "bugs"
|
|
> in OS-9 L2.
|
|
|
|
> But, since my
|
|
> last HD crash I have had to rebuild my boot and find that I
|
|
> am having some of those problems again. I get lost and/or
|
|
> garbaged characters in the forum messages, I lose my cursor
|
|
> after leaving Mail and the Internet, etc. All I have to do
|
|
> is try to remember what I did before.
|
|
|
|
I remember the thread about the disappearing cursor.. I will see if I
|
|
have the messages saved... It's easy to forget what you did several
|
|
months ago..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
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93110 23-JUL 01:57 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93062)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
|
|
|
|
> >Perhaps your MPI could be doing something in your case, too?
|
|
>
|
|
> I agree that the posibility is there that the MPI could be at
|
|
> fault. But, I was using it with my 6809 CoCo long before I ever
|
|
> decided to go with a 6309. I had no problems hardware wise that
|
|
> I can remember.
|
|
|
|
I think my MPI did alright once but suddely it did not do certain
|
|
floppy I/O stuff..
|
|
|
|
> Like I said earlier, this CoCo has been more
|
|
> than trustworthy. Come to think of it, the only hardware pro-
|
|
> blems that I really have had were my HDs dieing on me left and
|
|
> right.
|
|
|
|
I must say that I certainly got some tremendously good service out
|
|
of my cocos. I don't think I ever had a single breakdown in the
|
|
computer itself.. except once I had to reseat my GIME..
|
|
|
|
> Maybe someone (Tony D.) can invent an IDE interface to
|
|
> the CoCo. Then I can just buy a new one and not worry about it
|
|
> for about 5 years or so!
|
|
|
|
That would be the best solution. I would certainly like to see a
|
|
single cartridge handle the whole thing. I have an SC-2 and a
|
|
4-in-1 board for my coco, but the only drawback is that the RS-232
|
|
port does not support RTS/CTS. I understand that he did have a few
|
|
cards that did do this, but at the time, I was getting my OSK system
|
|
and I just didn't see buying another 4-in-1.
|
|
|
|
I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
|
|
card, too. I think this would really help.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
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|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
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93119 23-JUL 12:01 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93108)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Hi Dave,
|
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|
|
>... It's easy to forget what you did several months ago.
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|
|
What I did was more like back in '92 and '93. That is a long way
|
|
back to try to remember what one did to fix something, especially
|
|
when it is a one time fix. The disappearing cursor happens
|
|
just as I exit MAIL. I have a cursor in MAIL. The same thing hap-
|
|
pens on the Internet. And these blasted random characters that
|
|
just creep onto my screen at the cursor, drive me batty, especially
|
|
in a situation like now when I am replying to a message. If I see
|
|
that I made a mistake and go to backspace, if there are any of those
|
|
random characters I have to backspace that many less spaces or my
|
|
text looks $%&#%$!y. That last bunch of characters was meant as
|
|
an explative and were not random. That is just about what I see
|
|
though. Most of the time it is just a pair of dots as in .. !
|
|
They do disappear when I am finished with the message, where they
|
|
go is beyond me and why they appear is baffeling(sp). Oh well...
|
|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
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|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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93120 23-JUL 12:17 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93110)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Hello again...
|
|
|
|
>I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
|
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>card, too.
|
|
|
|
Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make
|
|
new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine? It is like these
|
|
people that restore very old cars like from the 30s, say.
|
|
If, they need to replace something that is no longer made commer-
|
|
cially they will either have to make it themselves or pay out
|
|
the BIG $$$ to have someone do it for them. I guess part of it
|
|
is nostalgic. I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to
|
|
face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer
|
|
OS9/68XXX machines. The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite
|
|
what we may feel about it! Am I trying to convince myself to buy
|
|
one of these newer machines? Maybe so!
|
|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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93135 23-JUL 20:25 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93119)
|
|
From: GREGL To: 01GEN40
|
|
|
|
Just went into Mail with monitor on and see that it sends 1B 3E 1B 5B on
|
|
exit. I think one of these is the "cursor off" command in OS-9. Actually it
|
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means something to VT-100 terminals but OS-9 interprets it as "cursor off."
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-- Greg
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93144 25-JUL 20:08 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93120)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
|
|
|
|
> >I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
|
|
> >card, too.
|
|
>
|
|
> Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make
|
|
> new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine?
|
|
|
|
You are definitely right. I guess I like to sit and daydream...
|
|
|
|
> . I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to
|
|
> face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer
|
|
> OS9/68XXX machines. The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite
|
|
> what we may feel about it!
|
|
|
|
Yes. That is the main reason that I decided to upgrade. I still
|
|
love the CoCo immensely. I go back to it to do a few things at times
|
|
and it's actually a good feeling. But the reality of the fact is,
|
|
as you mentioned, that there will come a time where you can't get
|
|
parts for them and it would be impractical to make a lot of the stuff
|
|
yourself, even if you have the capability.
|
|
|
|
> Am I trying to convince myself to buy
|
|
> one of these newer machines? Maybe so!
|
|
|
|
I must say that I am totally thrilled with my OSK system. Sometimes
|
|
I look around and see the stuff that is available for the "mainstreams",
|
|
but when I see what I can do with this one, it begins to matter
|
|
less.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93177 30-JUL 11:52 General Information
|
|
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93144)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Hi Dave,
|
|
Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to
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get parts for our beloved CoCo. I just received another "hands
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on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices
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that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so
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they put in a suitable replacement for them with information,
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schematics and pinouts so I can adapt them correctly. Out with
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the old and in with the new and improved I guess. I have noticed
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that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5
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years out of date. I guess it just takes time for them to get
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the material updated. Some of it has been, say, to about 2 years
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ago. But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the
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maximum size. Oh well...
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Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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93187 30-JUL 22:11 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93177)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
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> Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to
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> get parts for our beloved CoCo. I just received another "hands
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> on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices
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> that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so
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> they put in a suitable replacement for them
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Well, as long as one can at least substitute a part, things will be OK..
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The problem for people like me, who don't really have a good grasp of
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what the chips are, it will become a little more difficult..
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> I have noticed
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> that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5
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> years out of date. I guess it just takes time for them to get
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> the material updated.
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I guess that is to be expected.. It does take time to get the books
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published and the like..
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> . But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the
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> maximum size.
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Wow! You mean a whole, full 40 Meg???
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I'd consider 40 meg as a minimum for a coco, now.. When I installed a
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HD on my coco - I'd guess about 5 years ago - I looked and saw that at
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that time the most cost-effective size was 80 meg, and I had thoughts
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of upgrading to an OSK machine or PC and thought I'd be able to move it
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over, so I got it. I usually keep around 20 meg on it... Actually,
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I think it formatted out to about 70 Meg. All the room I'll ever
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need for the coco, but hardly enough for anything else..
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I have about 90 Meg tied up on my OSK machine right now (it's a 210),
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but this will grow, I'm sure. I try to keep old text files and stuff
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cleaned off, but there's always a little junk lying around.. <G>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93249 6-AUG 12:31 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93187)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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Hi Dave,
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re: Substitute chips...
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Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either,
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that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these
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things. It is quite tough! I should have started with this
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endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough
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to fully comprehend things. Oh welll...
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re: Hard drives...
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The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are
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now having capacities OVER 100 Megs. Shees, I see adds for HDs
|
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over the gigabyte mark! Is that behind the times or what? The
|
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technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad-
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vance by leaps and bounds. It is no wonder that school books are
|
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so far behind. I read different computer related magazines so that
|
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I can keep current with the newest of trends. These lessons have
|
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not even mentioned the Pentium yet. They have mentioned the 486
|
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but they stick predomonantly with the 386 and under. As far as
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MS-DOS goes, they have not mentioned any version over V5.0. I am
|
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using V6.22 at work and see that some of the earlier utilities
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and such, mentioned in the lessons, are no longer a part of DOS.
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There was one utility in particular, they had talked about, that
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I wanted to try at work. I do not even remember what it was, but
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it is no longer with the newer DOS. Oh well, such as it seems...
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Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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-*-
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93256 7-AUG 01:28 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93249)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
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> Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either,
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> that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these
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> things. It is quite tough! I should have started with this
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> endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough
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> to fully comprehend things.
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I always have had an interest in electronics but never did get started.
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As with your comment, I think I have waited too long to get started
|
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now.
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> The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are
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> now having capacities OVER 100 Megs. Shees, I see adds for HDs
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> over the gigabyte mark! Is that behind the times or what?
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I'd say yes. I wonder just how long it takes from the time a rough
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draft for a book is submitted till it is finally published. And in
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the case of schools, after the book comes out, how long does it take
|
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before it is adopted by the school and then till it is actually put
|
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to use? No doubt that current technology has made several leaps during
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this time frame.
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If what you're taking is a correspondence course, I'd say these schools
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may not be very fast to change.. just a guess here, though.
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The
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> technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad-
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> vance by leaps and bounds. It is no wonder that school books are
|
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> so far behind. I read different computer related magazines so that
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> I can keep current with the newest of trends.
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This is the best way to do so, IMO..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93287 13-AUG 11:47 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93256)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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Hi Dave,
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Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one. I like this
|
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because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather
|
|
than that set down in a classroom. If I do not understand something
|
|
right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of
|
|
"falling behind the rest of the class".
|
|
I feel that I must be learning something too. I had to build an
|
|
esperiment lab for doing different circuit experiments. Part of the
|
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lab is a function generator that generates a square and triangular
|
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waveform in low, medium and high frequency. It uses a 1458 dual
|
|
op-amp. I was having major problems with generating a waveform in
|
|
low frequency. Medium and high worked fine. My initial suspicion
|
|
was the 1458. They had supplied me with a 4558, my guess it was a
|
|
pin for pin compatible IC. I went and bought a couple of 1458s.
|
|
For about 3 days I kept checking different sections of the gener-
|
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ator and even all my solder joints. Nothing affected any major
|
|
change. I was able to get it to work sometimes but when it was
|
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used in a test circuit, it quit. A freind of mine brought over
|
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his O-Scope and we discovered that the signal would always go high.
|
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I replaced the 4558 with a 1458 and it works flawlessly now. My
|
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first instinct was correct afterall.
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My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount
|
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of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo. A
|
|
little "hands on" experience if you will.
|
|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
|
|
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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-*-
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93297 13-AUG 21:50 General Information
|
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93287)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
|
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> Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one. I like this
|
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> because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather
|
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> than that set down in a classroom. If I do not understand something
|
|
> right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of
|
|
> "falling behind the rest of the class".
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Yes, a correspondence course in something like this is the way to
|
|
go. For someone who is holding a job, classroom courses are quite
|
|
inconvenient, to say the least.
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> My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount
|
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> of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo. A
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> little "hands on" experience if you will.
|
|
|
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If I were going to do much electronic work, a 'scope would be one of my
|
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first purchases. I have the Tech Manual for the CoCo. From what I can
|
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determine from looking at the manual, a scope is almost indespensable
|
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in tracking down some problems.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93351 20-AUG 11:51 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93297)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
|
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Hi Dave,
|
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I, too, have the Service manual for the CoCo 3 and I agree, it
|
|
does look as if a scope would be an indespensable tool in diagnosing
|
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problems. I have been experimenting with it, keeping it hooked up
|
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to my experimental lab. It sure is nice to see a display of what is
|
|
happening in my test circuits rather than to try to picture what is
|
|
happening just by looking at the readings of my multi-meter.
|
|
I am really having a blast with my current experiments. They are
|
|
dealing with logic circuits. I still have the last circuit on the
|
|
lab and it looks like a mass of green sspaghetti. The coomponents
|
|
consist of 2 4013 ICs. I must have 20 or more wires hooking the
|
|
ICs together creating a 4 stage ripple counter. I already knew what
|
|
the outcome of this experiment would be before I built the circuit.
|
|
With 4 inputs, there are 2 to the 4th power outputs or 16. Piece of
|
|
cake. I wanted to see how the LEDs would respond, so I built the
|
|
circuit anyway and I was right, there were 16 different LED responses.
|
|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
|
|
-= GEN =-
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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93112 23-JUL 01:57 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93050)
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From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
|
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|
|
> And thanks again to
|
|
> Dave (NIMITZ) who's been quite helpful all along. *smile*
|
|
|
|
Hopefully you will be up to speed soon. I'm sure NIMITZ and the
|
|
rest of us will be happy to give you all the assistance possible
|
|
to get you up going.
|
|
|
|
It's really bad that you weren't able to get your system going from
|
|
the start. You have lost a lot of time in getting everything together,
|
|
but maybe now, you will be able to continue. It takes time to get
|
|
a system put together the way you want it.
|
|
|
|
We've talked before.. Do you use your computer in business or is it
|
|
strictly personal use? If you need any suggestions on software,
|
|
be sure to ask..
|
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|
|
-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93125 23-JUL 15:03 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93088)
|
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From: NIMITZ To: KNOT1
|
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|
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BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
|
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P.O. Box 10552
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Enid, OK 73706-0552
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93143 25-JUL 03:48 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93112)
|
|
From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either,
|
|
at the time. I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful
|
|
machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in
|
|
particular. But things got messed up with my order at IMS, and then
|
|
they went out of business before it was fixed. Even more unfortunate
|
|
is that I don't have the extra money I had had at the time back then.
|
|
|
|
So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and
|
|
it kept me happy enough. :-) Then it died and so back came the MM/1,
|
|
which I had been trying to get back up to speed beforehand as well.
|
|
Just sorta became more important now. :-)
|
|
|
|
To answer your question, I use it just for personal use. And nicely
|
|
enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you
|
|
actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1. Just the trick of
|
|
grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-)
|
|
|
|
Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the
|
|
_os9() call on it. :-)
|
|
|
|
So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure
|
|
I'll be asking if need help. :-)
|
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- Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -
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93161 26-JUL 20:41 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93143)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
|
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|
|
> Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either,
|
|
> at the time. I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful
|
|
> machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in
|
|
> particular. But things got messed up with my order at IMS,
|
|
|
|
I can imagine how disappointing that would be.
|
|
|
|
> So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and
|
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> it kept me happy enough. :-) Then it died and so back came the MM/1,
|
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|
|
The CoCo still is a match for most other systems in many respects even
|
|
now. The biggest drawback to it now is its speed on intensive stuff,
|
|
but it does well.
|
|
|
|
> To answer your question, I use it just for personal use. And nicely
|
|
> enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you
|
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> actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1. Just the trick of
|
|
> grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-)
|
|
|
|
My use is strictly personal, too.. well, I do keep my business records
|
|
on it, but they are quite simple.
|
|
|
|
With judicious care, you _can_ do well with a floppy. I believe I
|
|
could have gotten by on the coco for a long time with one 360 and
|
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two 720's. I never tried it, but I think it would have gotten me
|
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by. Of course, after getting used to a HD, anything seems slow..
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|
And to think.. at one time, we thought we were flying if we had a
|
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tape recorder <G>
|
|
|
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> Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the
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> _os9() call on it. :-)
|
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|
|
They _do_ work a little differently. Do you have much trouble with
|
|
the difference between the parameters between the coco and OSK?
|
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I mean where OSK precedes most parameters with "-", it gets a little
|
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confusing at times.
|
|
|
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> So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure
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> I'll be asking if need help. :-)
|
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I'm sure everyone will be quite happy to help.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93195 31-JUL 20:44 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161)
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From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
|
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|
|
Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer! Right
|
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under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem. Sorta
|
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like archeology. :-)
|
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Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
|
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hopefully an I/O board or another before long.
|
|
Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
|
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board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
|
|
have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.
|
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- Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -
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93199 31-JUL 23:38 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161)
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From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
|
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|
|
And oh, re the _os9() function.. I'm not really up on the differences
|
|
at all, no, as I don't have any docs other than for my Coco OS-9
|
|
Level II. Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line
|
|
or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the
|
|
MM/1? I had only gotten a few sheets of paper explaining hot to put
|
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the MM/1 together and some stuff like that. It'd certainly be of
|
|
help. I wouldn't have to guess at it so much. :-)
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Thanks.
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- Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -
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93202 31-JUL 23:45 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
|
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|
|
> Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer! Right
|
|
> under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem. Sorta
|
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> like archeology. :-)
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|
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Heh-heh.. The old stuff does bring back fond memories... <G>
|
|
I never connected a modem faster than 2400 to my coco..
|
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|
|
BTW.. this question is addressed to anyone.. I had SACIA installed on
|
|
my coco, but every time I tried a 19.2 K-baud connect, my whole system
|
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would crash.. I think I tried the buffer size at maximum.. Was this
|
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normal?
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> Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
|
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> hopefully an I/O board or another before long.
|
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|
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The I/O board would be the best bet.. It has the HD interface, doesn't
|
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it? I just have the one 1.44 floppy on mine. I've thought of adding
|
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another one, can't make up my mind as to what size I'd want, whether
|
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it would be best to use a 5 1/4 or another 3.5... For coco transfers,
|
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I just use the "sneaker net" method of using a 720 K 3.5 transferred
|
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back and forth.. I could connect them via serial ports, but my setup
|
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is kinda unhandy to get them close enough <G>
|
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|
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> Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
|
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> board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
|
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> have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.
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|
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Do you have a serial printer driver where you could use one of your
|
|
serial ports? If not, maybe someone has one you could install.
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Hmmm... I just looked at my "devs".. I have a "p1" descriptor, and it
|
|
uses "sc68681" the same as my modem driver... perhaps all you need is
|
|
a serial printer cable.. and either a serial printer or serial-parallel
|
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converter.. I'm not sure if a CoCo converter would work.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93203 1-AUG 00:02 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93199)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
|
|
|
|
> And oh, re the _os9() function.. I'm not really up on the differences
|
|
> at all,
|
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|
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I just looked in my manual... it doesn't list the _os9() function.. I
|
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believe this is an Ultra C call. I was thinking of the function
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os9exec().. I _think_ it is a little different from the coco in its
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parameters.. The description for the function takes up 2 pages..
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> Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line
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> or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the
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> MM/1?
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I don't know of anything online.. perhaps someone does.. You can purchase
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the manuals from MicroWare, but the are rather proud of them.. I _think_
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they charge about $200 for them.. It could be that Nimitz might have
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some special deal where he might be able to give you a break..
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-- David Breeding --
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93220 3-AUG 03:10 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93203)
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From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
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Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just
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have to do without until the I/O board. $200 for docs? Geesh, you
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just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that. They must be very
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proud it would seem. :-)
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About the coco and faster than 2400 bps. I was about to 9600 under
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my own term program, which dynamicly sized reads and writes to keep
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up with the flow, but would still occationally miss a few characters
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at that speed. At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real
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problems, even futzin' around in another window.
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Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have. Will
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just be a matter of working up to better things. Gives ya' something
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to look forward to. *smirk*
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And oh, the floppy drives. My choice was for two 3.5" ones, as I
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also had a 720K 3.5" for my Coco and the High Density ones could
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still read that, and then I could use it for copying MM/1 floppies as
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well. Plus right now, why I want it, is so that I can leave the boot
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disk in drive and work on other disks as well, and not have to pop it
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out and pop in the boot one to load in some misc. little command I
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want to use that's not already in memory, which is what I have to do
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currently. Would basicly make life easier until I get that hard
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drive. :-)
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And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up
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sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound
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connector (P5) by the power light and video ones. Is that port
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conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or
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something?
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- Jamie -
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93230 4-AUG 20:09 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220)
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From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
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> Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just
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> have to do without until the I/O board. $200 for docs? Geesh, you
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> just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that. They must be very
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> proud it would seem. :-)
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It seems that I'm correct in the price for the docs. It is a bunch, but
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I guess it might be worth it if you didn't have them..
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It might not be too hard to get a serial port up and running. Did you
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check your install disks to see if there are any device descriptors by
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the name of "p1" or the like? If not, I'm sure you could edit one of
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your comm drivers or if you have source for one, just edit this and
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assemble under a name you like.. Mine is p1, sounds logical..
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> About the coco and faster than 2400 bps. I was about to 9600 under
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> At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real
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> problems, even futzin' around in another window.
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If I remember correctly, this is about my experience. It seems that
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at 9600, I would get a few misses. At 19.2, I think I said already,
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it was total crash.
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> Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have. Will
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> just be a matter of working up to better things. Gives ya' something
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> to look forward to. *smirk*
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Hopefully you can upgrade fairly painlessly now.
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> And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up
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> sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound
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> connector (P5) by the power light and video ones. Is that port
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> conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or
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> something?
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I really don't know.. I don't have an MM/1 so am not familiar with
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the connections. Perhaps someone here will shed a little light on
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it..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93232 5-AUG 01:08 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220)
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From: WA2EGP To: KNOT1
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P5 is a "sound output location. Pin 1 is sound-out, pin 2 grounded. Same
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as sound output on the CM-8 monitor." That is from my docs. I hooked up the
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speaker in the case to that (I think). Hard to tell now with all the stuff
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I got crammed into that box. Any other questions, let me know. I might be
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able to answer them (grin).
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93240 5-AUG 21:57 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93230)
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From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
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Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could
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for the I/O board and parallel. I'll have to play around with it and
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try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk.
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Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2*
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sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer,
|
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write what I want from the MM/1 onto a Coco readable disk and use
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the Coco 2 to print it. Now there's a slightly convulted process
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for ya. :-) Hmmm, small glitch: Would have to be RSDOS readable.
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Ahh well, can't win them all. :-)
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93241 5-AUG 22:01 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93232)
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From: KNOT1 To: WA2EGP
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Ahhh, nice. I'll jot that all down, and next time got the case open
|
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will take a look at it. If works with the internal speaker, you
|
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might have thought they'd at least mention that, if not actually
|
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hook it up to it. :-) I do get the 'beep' on boot up, but nothing
|
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else. I was thinking of at least getting so I could hear the bell
|
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tone when a character 0x07 is sent to a window. :-)
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- Jamie -
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93247 6-AUG 01:32 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240)
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From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1
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> Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could
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> for the I/O board and parallel.
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I'd suspect that if you have a "p1" it might well be serial.. Of course
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the descriptors might vary from system to system, but I have a "/p",
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which is parallel, and also a "/p1", but it is serial.
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> I'll have to play around with it and
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> try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk.
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It isn't that hard to make a boot disk. OS9Gen works practically like
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the CoCo Os9Gen. Only a couple of variables different.. I suppose you
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know that you can type about any command and follow it with "-?" and
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it will give you a brief descriptionof the commands.
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however, you don't even have to make a boot disk. If you have that
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serial printer descriptor, just load it. If you don't have a serial
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printer dscr. do you have source code for /t1 or the like? if so,
|
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you can change the name of it and reset your initialization settings
|
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and assemble a new one. Or... for test purposes, just take one of
|
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your /t? descriptors, xmode the correct values in, hook it to a serial
|
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printer and list something >/t? It should work...
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> Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2*
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> sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer,
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Do you have OS9 Level 1? You might want to find one of the modified
|
|
CCDisks that will read double-sided disks and go from there..
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> Now there's a slightly convulted process
|
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> for ya. :-)
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Yeah, it is.. If you can get a printer connected to your MM/1, I think
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you would be happier.
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> Hmmm, small glitch: Would have to be RSDOS readable.
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See above...
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> Ahh well, can't win them all. :-)
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Yeah, you can.. just have faith <G>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93255 7-AUG 01:16 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240)
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From: WA2EGP To: KNOT1
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the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel ports.
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I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet. I may be wrong
|
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but I thought I heard (saw?) that /p1 doesn't work so well. Of course, I never
|
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had to run two printers at once (grin). I have heard of people hooking up
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a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details on that.
|
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Heck, you might be able to pick up an old 9 pin (head), parallel printer at
|
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a fleamarket for cheap. (Got one for $5 once.....it worked too!) Or borrow
|
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one from a PC friend. If you have the basic system, you do have /t0 so you
|
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could try that for a serial printer.
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93258 7-AUG 13:49 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255)
|
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From: MITHELEN To: WA2EGP
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Both parallel ports work equally as well, as long as you don't use them
|
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at the same time...
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--
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Paul
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93259 7-AUG 23:25 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93258)
|
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From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN
|
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Aw gee! Ya can't? (grin) I don't think I would even try but I guess if
|
|
someone did have a reason to, there might be a "work around" that would
|
|
possibly solve the problem. This OS-9 bunch is a rather imaginative group.
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93270 10-AUG 21:26 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP
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I'm addressing this to the wrong person, but I'll just leave it this way <G>
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> the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel
|
|
> ports. I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet.
|
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|
I guess that depends on the system.. My "/p1" (on a Delmar) is a serial
|
|
printer descriptor.. It's linked to sc68681.
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|
> I have heard of people hooking
|
|
> up a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details
|
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> on that.
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Since mine depends on sc68681, it appears all you have to do is to
|
|
"xmode" the parameters. Probably all you might need to change is the
|
|
"lf" option, but others might need changing, too.. FWIW, here's my xmode
|
|
for my p1, if it will help:
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1.win: xmode /p1
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noupc nobsb bsl noecho lf null=0 nopause pag=66 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D
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eof=1B reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07
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type=00 baud=9600 xon=11 xoff=13 tabc=09 tabs=4
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Looks like mine has "bsb" set to "no, too. If the printer is set up like
|
|
for a coco, providing its own linefeeds, you would have to set "lf" to no.
|
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|
It should be just a matter of then getting a cable. I don't know what it
|
|
would take for that.
|
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> If you have the basic system, you
|
|
> do have /t0 so you could try that for a serial printer.
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I believe that's what I'd try unless I thought I'd be getting a board quite
|
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soon..
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-- David Breeding --
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93274 11-AUG 01:18 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93270)
|
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From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING
|
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|
I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel
|
|
port. Since it was (supposed to be) originally designed to be a step up
|
|
from the CoCo and use the same peripherals (like the CM-8 monitor), I wonder
|
|
how true that is when the basic machine has serial ports but no info on how
|
|
to hook up your serial printer to it. I know it is easier to get parallel
|
|
printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic system, it
|
|
would have been nice to have this information so they can use the printer
|
|
they already have. This was the question I remember...how to hook a printer
|
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to it. Included was a question about serial printers.
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93279 12-AUG 01:29 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274)
|
|
From: KNOT1 To: WA2EGP
|
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|
Okay, first off, I did get my update disk! Hurrah! :-) Thanks for
|
|
the suggestions here and NIMITZ for MM/1 support in providing it and
|
|
all his other fine products! $Plug$ :-) Really though, it is nice to
|
|
be more up to speed, even if it did take me a few days to get things
|
|
running right. One of the main things was the way it boots it looks
|
|
almost like a crash, so I would always take the disk out at that point.
|
|
When I finally gave up and left the disk in there to be 'eaten', wha'la
|
|
it boots up. :-)
|
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|
Now to follow up, yes, it's an MM/1 basic system, with no I/O board
|
|
yet, but am rappidly saving up for one RSN (actual milage may vary).
|
|
The printers I have are a Star NX-1000 (appears to be parallel - uses
|
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Blue Streak Ultima to connect when had on my CoCo) and of course the
|
|
old stand-by original Tandy DMP 105, which I believe has both modes,
|
|
though the serial is that 5-pin din jack on the back.
|
|
|
|
Checking the module disk, there are both /p and /p1 desctriptors, but
|
|
they don't seem to be included in the standard system boot lists, so
|
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assumedly don't work if only have the T0 port.
|
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|
And then, basing from what you and others have suggested, I would
|
|
mainly need to find a new cable for the printer that connects to it
|
|
in serial and to the plug on the back of the MM/1 (actually in my case,
|
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hanging out the back, as didn't really have a good way to mount them
|
|
with just some slat-like openings in the back). So that'd probably
|
|
have to be the DMP105, unless can find a way to still use the Blue
|
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Streak adaptor. Also means I wouldn't be using it while modeming I
|
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assume. :-)
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Thanks again, everyone. I'll hopefully soon be uploading here my
|
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first program of at least minor significance I've made on my MM/1 with
|
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C: A spiffy little 'screen saver' sorta program. Was a good first
|
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project. :-)
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- Jamie -
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93285 13-AUG 00:18 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP
|
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> I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel
|
|
> port. I know it is easier to
|
|
> get parallel printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic
|
|
> system, it would have been nice to have this information so they can use
|
|
> the printer they already have. This was the question I remember...how to
|
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> hook a printer to it. Included was a question about serial printers.
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Yes, I know.. I believe he (KNOT1, I believe) was asking what it would
|
|
take to get it to work... I think all he needs to do is take any
|
|
serial descriptor, xmode a few variables in it, change its name, if
|
|
he wants, but doesn't even have to. Then all he needs is a suitable cable..
|
|
and about that, I don't know about the pinouts.
|
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What you said about info is true. As a matter of fact, the thing -should-
|
|
have been designed with a parallel port in it to start with. This would
|
|
have simplified matters tremendously.. I think a standard Centronics-
|
|
compatible parallel port would have satisfied the needs of 99% of all
|
|
users. OTOH, as you said, there should have been some info on how to
|
|
hook a serial printer to the serial port, at the very least. Everyone
|
|
needs a printer...
|
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|
|
As a matter of fact, what's the use of providing a driver for a port
|
|
that is not even included? That is, a port that has to be special
|
|
ordered? Why not just include these drivers with the board? Of course,
|
|
I realize I have drivers for devices that were not included with my
|
|
system, /d1, 1.2 meg floppies, etc, but these are things that any user
|
|
might go out and by and install themselves, so I can see the use for that,
|
|
but it does appear they would have just kept the parallel drivers, for
|
|
example, till one ordered the board. It might have kept down quite a bit
|
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of confusion.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93294 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: KNOT1
|
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> Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
|
|
> hopefully an I/O board or another before long.
|
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Jamie, a lot of us ran without the I/O board for a fair while. I set up
|
|
my system with 2 HD floppies, plus an 80-track 5.25". I was able to do
|
|
a lot with this system, and it was significantly more powerful and faster
|
|
than the CC3 ever was. My first major project was to port the 'sc'
|
|
spreadsheet over from Unix, and I did most of the 'ispell' port with
|
|
this same configuration. ("Most" because the 1 meg of system memory was
|
|
not enough to allow me to process the dictionary hash file -- so I did
|
|
that on my Unix box at work, and downloaded it. Later, I was able to
|
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do it directly on the MM/1 after moving to 3 meg.)
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Keep at it. And keep pursuing that I/O board, too! I'm sure David will
|
|
help as much as he can.
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> Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
|
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> board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
|
|
> have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.
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Sigh. Can't remember exactly what I did, but I suspect it involved moving
|
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the files over to the CC3 ;-(
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But I think others have mentioned the possibility of using /t1 with a
|
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CC3-type serial-to-parallel converter.
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Good luck... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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93296 13-AUG 21:46 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285)
|
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From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING
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At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a built-in
|
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parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear tree.
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John D.
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93302 13-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285)
|
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From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING
|
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|
Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine. I mean,
|
|
hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware. If you didn't have
|
|
the drivers, you might not be as interested in getting the hardware. I guess
|
|
that IMS probably figured that most people would get the extended (eventually
|
|
if not ordered at the same time). Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the
|
|
basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin).
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93307 14-AUG 21:06 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93296)
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From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF
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> At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a
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> built-in parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear
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> tree.
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> John D.
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This is good to hear. I think I remember seeing that the parallel port
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was included with the MM/1B, but it didn't register strongly because
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I had forgotten it was not available on the MM/1.
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Of course, I suppose they were thinking about moving a coco printer over
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to the MM/1, but I think it would have been far better to have gone with
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the more standard parallel port. I would think that most people would
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have non-Radio Shack printers and these would no doubt either have a
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serial-to-parallel adaptor connected to the already-available parallel
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port, or a serial adaptor which I would think could be simply removed.
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This has been one of my biggest hangups in my desire for a Mac. You have
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to be more picky about your printers, modems and monitors.
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-- David Breeding --
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93309 15-AUG 20:28 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93307)
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From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING
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Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000 VGA
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Chip Set. I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B would be
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the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a soundblaster
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card and we have the makings for a really great system.
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John D.
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93321 17-AUG 21:03 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93302)
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From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP
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> Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine. I
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> mean, hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware.
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> Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the
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> basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin).
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Yes, I do believe you have a point there. I think it was a bad decision,
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though.
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It could have well been that this lack of immediate compatibility, if
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you will, might have discouraged buyers. But, again, it seemed the
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purchasers were there but IMS just could not have delivered. I
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wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
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out in relatively orderly fashion. It could well be that the OSK
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user base would have been much larger.
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-- David Breeding --
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93330 18-AUG 01:02 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309)
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From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF
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> Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000
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> VGA Chip Set.
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I would like to have the capability for running KWindows just to have the
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compatibility. My system has this chipset. Now, if the drivers would
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be interchangeable, I'd be all set <G>
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> I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B
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> would be the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a
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> soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system.
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Yes, that would be neat. I just wonder, though what this would do for us.
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Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code, wouldn't
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it?
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I hear that CD writing systems are getting pretty reasonable. Maybe someone
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will be able to write some stuff for us.
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-- David Breeding --
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93331 18-AUG 02:02 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309)
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From: COCOKIWI To: VAXELF
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There is a Development system <software package> for the AWE32
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card!...This is SOME card! I have one!
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It has provision for up to 32 Meg in memory ON BOARD 2x 16k
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SIMMS
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for sound Font files! has MIDI and Speech functions..and also
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carries a
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daughter board <plug in> The WAVE BLASTER Card ...a MIDI
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card...adds to
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what is in it!.....and it comes also with a CD-ROM
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interface,with three kinds
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of interface, <SCSI is not one>...............
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I have THIS software package<FREEBE> I had downloaded from the
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CCBBS
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that goes into programing this board in some detail....lots of
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C++ source files
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......
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It is in a ZIPPED.....<bunch of ZIP files within>
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FILE.........if interested i can Zap it up to the OS-9
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Database...IF anyone is interested....
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I have passed this one around before<grin>......fairly
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new!.........
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DENNIS
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93333 18-AUG 20:13 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330)
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From: JOHNREED To: DBREEDING
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> > soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system.
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>
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> Yes, that would be neat. I just wonder, though what this would do for
|
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> us. Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code,
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> wouldn't it?
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>
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I have a couple "Multimedia" CDs for my messydos machine - a lot of the
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sound files are in ".wav" format and are playable on the MM/1.
|
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I plugged a couple of them into Boisy's "Linkup" comm program. I would
|
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think that an OS-9 "soundblaster" driver would probably play a lot of
|
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the stuff that is available with little or no trouble.
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JohnW
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93337 19-AUG 02:49 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93321)
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From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING
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> I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
|
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> out in relatively orderly fashion. It could well be that the OSK
|
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> user base would have been much larger.
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Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well. Those tie-ups with their
|
|
suppliers really had to cost IMS big. I know I was on campus at the
|
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time and had lots of friends looking to get new machines as well,
|
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and they seemed quite interested in my descriptions of what the MM/1
|
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could do, and at the time was quite cheap compared to comperable
|
|
systems. So I kept waiting to show it to them, talking about it, but
|
|
when it didn't come for so long, it seemed more of a sad joke and they
|
|
fairly rightly lost interest in it, or had baught others already.
|
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I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it
|
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take off and become at least semi-popular.
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- Jamie (KNOT1) -
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93339 19-AUG 19:49 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330)
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From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING
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The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound
|
|
files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read the
|
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sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files like
|
|
MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for graphic files
|
|
what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read both the vedio
|
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clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system. But I wonder if
|
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the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast enough.
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John D.
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93352 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93337)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 (NR)
|
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|
|
> > I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
|
|
> > out in relatively orderly fashion.
|
|
>
|
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> Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well. Those tie-ups with their
|
|
> suppliers really had to cost IMS big.
|
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|
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Yes, it finally destroyed the faith of the public in them. I understand
|
|
that they were victims of apparently less-than-reliable suppliers, that
|
|
they were continuously plagued by substitutions of substandard parts
|
|
by the suppliers etc.
|
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> I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it
|
|
> take off and become at least semi-popular.
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|
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I don't either. They had a good idea but it just wasn't to be.
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-- David Breeding --
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93354 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
|
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RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93339)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF (NR)
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> The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound
|
|
> files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read
|
|
> the sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files
|
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> like MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for
|
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> graphic files
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Yes, that is right, all we'd need would be "readers". Of course we already
|
|
have many of them, I am really not aware of all that we do have.
|
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> what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read
|
|
> both the vedio clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system.
|
|
> But I wonder if the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast
|
|
> enough.
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I doubt that these systems would be able to do the graphics fast enough for
|
|
extremely smooth operation. They might be presentable.
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I've been told that a System IV has trouble in G-Windows with 28.8 modems
|
|
using the 68681 ACIA, (but I think it might be a driver thing). I am not
|
|
familiar with the video clips, but it is my understanding that these
|
|
are extremely graphics intensive.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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93116 23-JUL 02:57 Telecom (6809)
|
|
SuperComm
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
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|
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Randy---
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|
Well, I've Got SuperComm up and running! It'll definatelly be more useful
|
|
for me compared to Warp1. The Capture/List works fast in Warp1 but
|
|
SuperComm is more flexible. I'm sending the capture buffer to RAM, that
|
|
way I can list the file quickly and it gets erased when I quit.
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|
|
|
As far as Terminal colors, I made a B09 Mod to set palette to match rest
|
|
of system. For the most part, the colors stick except for two places
|
|
that I see so far. The first place is going to the main screen from
|
|
the autodial "DIAL" overlay and the other is returning from the Terminal
|
|
select overlay.
|
|
|
|
Is there any way to short circuit the palette reset at least after dialing?
|
|
If I could do that the color changes would stay changed except for
|
|
occasionally. ("R" -reset keeps changes ok)
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---Dom
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93118 23-JUL 10:36 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93116)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
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|
|
Dom,
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|
|
First I must ask, what are your custom colors? If you are just using
|
|
different screen colors chosen from the default eight "ansi" colors,
|
|
then we can fix it easily. If you are using totally non-standard
|
|
colors, we can also fix it, but it will play games with "ansi" screens.
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Randy
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93126 23-JUL 15:08 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93118)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
>...What are your custom colors?...
|
|
|
|
Colors in place after Boot (/w2)
|
|
---------------------------------
|
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(DEC) 00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63
|
|
00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63
|
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---------------------------------
|
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|
|
After Custom color changes (/w2)
|
|
---------------------------------
|
|
(DEC) 02 36 18 55 04 00 31 36
|
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00 36 18 55 09 40 31 54
|
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---------------------------------
|
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|
|
Changes are (DEC):
|
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-----------------
|
|
palette:0 From:00 To:02
|
|
4 09 04
|
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5 40 00
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|
7 63 36
|
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15 63 54
|
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|
|
These are the color changes I am using presently.
|
|
You say these can easily be made permanent?
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|
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>...but it will play games with "ansi" screens.
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????????
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---Dom
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Dom
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93134 23-JUL 20:16 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93126)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
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|
|
No problem. you have enough information. SuperComm forces the palettes to
|
|
"ansi" default colors. They are as you list for original. Using a disk
|
|
editor, just search on the original string ($00,$24,$12...) and change those
|
|
16 bytes to your new palette choices.
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Randy
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93137 24-JUL 01:10 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
Colors are installed as directed and work fine. Thanks!
|
|
Now I'll look into the other matter.
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|
|
---Dom
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93138 24-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
Well...here is what I have so far.
|
|
|
|
Xmodeing the W2 descriptor to eko==00, and replacing it to bootfile,
|
|
gets rid of the double characters in the overlays and stops the echoing
|
|
to the top side in conferance mode. Break key now works OK for abort.
|
|
Everything seems fine except keyboard input doesn't get echoed while in
|
|
"Shell Access". ("Tmode echo" while there resumes keyboard echo until
|
|
you quit shell access)
|
|
|
|
The color changes themselves all work OK except I have changed the boarder
|
|
slot for W2 upon startup (display 1b 34 4 >/w2). Now, at those places that
|
|
SuperComm resets,the boarder slot gets reset the way it was before.
|
|
(a "palette </w2" gives foreground=01 background=00 boarder=04 after startup
|
|
but the boarder slot gets changed back to 00.(I've changed the W2 descriptor
|
|
in bootfile to select prn=04). I tried searching SuperComm for a string that
|
|
resembles "01 00 00" and have changed the last 00 to 04 in I think two places.
|
|
The boarder slot still gets reset back to 00, however.
|
|
|
|
These bugs aren't that important but any thoughts?
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|
|
---Dom
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93140 24-JUL 20:13 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93138)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
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|
|
Dom,
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|
|
Geeez. Okay. Soon after the point at which you mangled the palette defaults,
|
|
you'll find the byte sequence $07,$00,$00,$00,$02,$02. Change the second $00
|
|
to $04 ( 7, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2).
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|
|
|
*this* ain't a bug... it's a modification. Not sure what's happening with
|
|
the double text part. Never seen or heard of that one before.
|
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Randy
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|
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|
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|
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93142 25-JUL 00:09 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93140)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
Colors and boarder default work out fine! Thanks!
|
|
|
|
> ....after the point at which you mangled the palette defaults...
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|
|
|
Do I detect a bit of concern? <G>
|
|
|
|
> *this* ain't a bug... it's a modification.
|
|
|
|
Didn't mean to imply any "bug" with SuperComm. I mean't something
|
|
was wrong with my system and I couldn't fix it.
|
|
|
|
> ...( 7, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2).
|
|
|
|
Interesting. At one point I tried changing the last 2 to 4. I had
|
|
figuered what I was looking for either went something like ( 0 1 1 )
|
|
or ( 0 2 2 ). I guess close dosen't count.
|
|
|
|
As far as the double character thing...as long as the W2 descriptor in
|
|
the bootfile is set for "no echo", then I don't get double characters
|
|
or a top and bottom echo in conferance. But "shell access" doesn't echo.
|
|
|
|
If you set W2 to "echo", then you can view keyboard input in "shell access"
|
|
without tmodeing but you get double characters on the overlays and
|
|
in conferance when you type on the bottom, it gets echoed on top. The BREAK
|
|
key doesn't abort the boxes either. It kills the top overlay and stays
|
|
with a work area in the shadow box only.
|
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|
|
The double condition gets cleared up the first time you enter and leave
|
|
the "shell access" mode. Break key works too.
|
|
|
|
I'll let the W2 stay set at "no echo" so I don't see double after startup.
|
|
My shell access there will be limited. Everything else seems to be GREAT!
|
|
|
|
I now have SuperComm up and running with colors matching my system and
|
|
this is on a 3.5" disk that BOOTS from drive 2!!!. <G>
|
|
|
|
Thanks once again for all your help. I couldn't have done this without you.
|
|
|
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|
|
---Dom.
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End of Thread.
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93117 23-JUL 05:40 General Information
|
|
Disto 2 meg upgrade
|
|
From: DGANTZ To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Does anyone know what the chip just to the lower right of the MPU on the
|
|
2 meg upgrade is? I have one but I've misplaced the chip and didn't
|
|
recognize the lableing on it as I recall. I need to find somewhere where
|
|
I can get a new one.
|
|
|
|
I had the upgrade in and working only a day and a half and it went toast.
|
|
I was trying to fix it by simply shot-gunning out chips for new ones and
|
|
for some reason took that particular chip out.
|
|
|
|
Again its to the immediate lower right of the microprocessor as you look in
|
|
to the CoCo from a normal typing position.
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|
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Thanx in advance for any help.
|
|
DGANTZ@Delphi.com
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93141 24-JUL 20:36 General Information
|
|
RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93117)
|
|
From: DISTO To: DGANTZ
|
|
|
|
U5 is a 74HC30. U10 is a 74HC74. If you need a complete schematic and a
|
|
chip by chip description of the 2-Meg adapter, just send $20 + $2.50 S/H
|
|
to me, Tony DiStefano @ 1710 Depatie St. Laurent Quebec Canada H4L 4A8.
|
|
-Tony.
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93206 1-AUG 05:40 General Information
|
|
RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93141)
|
|
From: DGANTZ To: DISTO
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the reply Tony. I was referring to U6, a 20 pin DIP. I should
|
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have looked at the board before sending that message. My fault.
|
|
|
|
However, since a schematic and technical data can be had, I'll rush the
|
|
$22.50 to you ASAP. I'm real interested in finding out why the upgrade
|
|
died on me after only a day and a half in my machine.
|
|
|
|
But since I have you here, may I verify a couple of connections. Maybe I
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blew it? There is a 6pin sip connector that plugs into the SIMM board with
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4 wires connected to the processor board. The wires in question are from
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pins 5 and 6. Pin 5 solders to pin 40 of IC5 on the motherboard (PIA?) and
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pin 6 solders to the junction of C60 and X1?
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Well guess thats bout it, except where might I find a processor socket such
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as what is in this upgrade? Seems to be somewhat specialized.
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Thank you.
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Dave
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93233 5-AUG 09:53 General Information
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RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93206)
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From: DISTO To: DGANTZ
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The socket that came with the kit is a standard 40 pin socket. However, ther
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are many kinds and suppliers, If you need another, just add another dollar
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to your order and I'll send you another one. Your wiring is correct and the
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circuit will survive if you plug it in backwards. -Tony.
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End of Thread.
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93122 23-JUL 13:11 General Information
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Installed memory?
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From: 01GEN40 To: ALL
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Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to
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get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the
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CoCo? If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction
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to find an answer to my quest? I would hate to have to write 4
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different modules for the 4 known RAM sizes on the CoCo. PLEASE,
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any help would be greatly appreciated! See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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-*-
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93145 25-JUL 20:08 General Information
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RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93122)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
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> Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to
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> get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the
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> CoCo? If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction
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> to find an answer to my quest?
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There _has_ to be a way.. "MFREE" does it.. Have you looked through
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the manual for all the system calls?
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One cheap and dirty method, if nothing else works, would have it reference
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a file, possibly in the SYS directory. How about having it look in the
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"env.file" file for MVUE? If the user does not have MVue, just have him
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create a file by that name with the oen entry... Not neat, but
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it would work.. But, as I said, there must be a direct way..
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Would it be worth the effort to disassemble MFREE?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93178 30-JUL 12:01 General Information
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RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93145)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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Hello again...
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Ya know, I think you may be on to something here! I never gave
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MFREE a thought at all. I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think,
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is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup. I do have
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a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly.
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Although, I was able to come up with a modification to INIT to have
|
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cc3go loaded from the CMDS directory and have it unlinked when it
|
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was done. This is very interesting! I shall try it and let you
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know what I come up with. Until next time...
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Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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93188 30-JUL 22:11 General Information
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RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93178)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
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> Ya know, I think you may be on to something here! I never gave
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> MFREE a thought at all. I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think,
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> is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup. I do have
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> a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly.
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I have never given it much thought as to how it does it..
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Just looked at my Tech Manual.. Look on page 8-18 for info on F$GBlkMp
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Also, if you have "Inside OS9 Level 2", or have source for SMap otherwise,
|
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this should give you some ideas..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93250 6-AUG 12:36 General Information
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RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93188)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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|
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Hello again,
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We just happen to have a copy of "Inside OS9 Level 2" in the SD
|
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User Group, I may just have to check the book out and see what I
|
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can get out of it. Thanks for the info. See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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93130 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
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SuperComm
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From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
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Randy--
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I wonder if you could help me on whats probably a system
|
|
bug I have here? When SuperComm is first booted, the "Change
|
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Directory" overlay box gives double characters and the break
|
|
key just kills the top box (working area stays small. Enter
|
|
works for abort.) Also in "Z" Conferance mode, what is typed
|
|
below gets echoed above.(echo settings are off) Sounds like a
|
|
half/full duplex thing except for the Break Key.
|
|
|
|
Everything straightens out all right though, if I goto "Shell"
|
|
and back. Something gets reset to what it should be but so far
|
|
I haven't been able to see what it is. (No apparant changes
|
|
in any Tmode or Xmode, before or after, anywhere.)
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|
|
Also, I just discovered that if I list a file to /T2, when sending
|
|
to Forum it gets single spaced but if I do that to EMail it gets
|
|
double spaced. (LFs are shut off on SuperComm) Stripping the file
|
|
of LFs doesn't change anything.) Delphi?? /T2 settings?? I haven't
|
|
had the time to fully scope this out yet. Is Email text treated any
|
|
differently than Forum text.
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Any thoughts?
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---Dom
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-*-
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93133 23-JUL 20:07 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93130)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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|
|
Listing a file to /t2 opens a path to the port that is *different* than
|
|
the on SC is using. None of the changes SC did will have an affect on
|
|
this new path, except for baud and parity (they will default to unchanged,
|
|
i.e. SC's last settings). The "alf" on /t2 (which SC turns off) is what's
|
|
adding your linefeeds. The easiest way around that is to just use the
|
|
"ascii" upload option of SuperComm.
|
|
|
|
On this other, I've never heard *that* one before. :> How about a xmode
|
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of the window being used?
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Randy
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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93136 23-JUL 21:06 General Information
|
|
Just one more reminder...
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
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|
|
|
One more time...
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|
|
|
|
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|
|
OS-9 Late Night
|
|
Monday Night July 24 10:00 PM Eastern
|
|
Topic:OS-9 Users Group Level I & II Discussion
|
|
With Vice President of OS-9/6809 , Mike Rowen
|
|
|
|
Join us this Monday when Mike will be here to take comments,
|
|
questions, and ideas for possible projects from users. He will
|
|
also discuss some of his personal plans for future of the UG's OS-
|
|
9 Users and will be sharing his ideas, and feelings on the
|
|
community as a whole. If you would like to volunteer to do any
|
|
sort of UG work this would be a good night to speak with Mike
|
|
LIVE.
|
|
|
|
As a sidenote, if you should know anyone who is not an online
|
|
user and doesn't have access to all the latest updates in the OS-9
|
|
Community, get them a Sourcebook User entry form and have them
|
|
send it to me so I can get them in the database. It is hard enough
|
|
to keep up with all the net users, let along those who are offline
|
|
and hard to be found. We need to get their information in order to
|
|
keep them in touch. Now there is no reason to be 'lost in the
|
|
shuffle'!!! And if you haven't sent in your form by now, why put
|
|
it off? The sourcebook is only as good as the amount of
|
|
information in it!!!
|
|
|
|
Chris Perrault
|
|
OS-9 Users' Group
|
|
Sourcebook Coordinator
|
|
|
|
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|
|
93148 25-JUL 22:23 General Information
|
|
Internet newsgroups
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
|
|
|
|
How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area??
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93156 26-JUL 19:39 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93148)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
Hugo,
|
|
|
|
> How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area??
|
|
|
|
Download the favorites.sav file, use an editor to delete the line
|
|
or lines of newsgroups you don't want, then re-upload this file as
|
|
favorites.sav and delete the old one on Delphi.
|
|
|
|
Be careful, the `spaces' in each line are Tab's <g>.
|
|
|
|
PS: this is a ascii file so upload it that way...
|
|
|
|
John -
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|
-*-
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|
|
|
93162 26-JUL 23:56 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
|
|
EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
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-*-
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|
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|
93164 27-JUL 18:19 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156)
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
Thanks John. I'd say Delphi needs to streamline the process a bit.
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93165 27-JUL 21:53 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93162)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hi Paul,
|
|
|
|
> Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
|
|
> EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.
|
|
|
|
<Grin> True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-)
|
|
I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... <g>
|
|
|
|
Later,
|
|
|
|
John -
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|
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|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93166 27-JUL 21:53 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93164)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
Hugo,
|
|
|
|
I should have also said that you can use the online editor too 8-)
|
|
Read message 93162 to me from Paul.. I'm so use to doing it by downloading
|
|
it, edit, uploading on the fly, that it's second nature for me <g>.
|
|
|
|
John -
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|
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|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93167 28-JUL 21:54 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93166)
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
I tried the online editor. It appears it was designed for Martians :-)
|
|
|
|
Your first method worked fine for me. Thanks!
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93169 29-JUL 14:29 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93165)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
> > Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
|
|
> > EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.
|
|
>
|
|
> <Grin> True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-)
|
|
> I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... <g>
|
|
|
|
You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..
|
|
|
|
Much handier to use your own, right? <G>
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93174 30-JUL 04:32 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage
|
|
before I discovered TPU.... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it defaults
|
|
to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to full screen
|
|
mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad diagram, and lots
|
|
of other good helpfull info.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93175 30-JUL 10:16 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
|
|
> You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..
|
|
>
|
|
> Much handier to use your own, right? <G>
|
|
|
|
Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to
|
|
just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload
|
|
the file. Works for me 8-)
|
|
|
|
It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy
|
|
on it. I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I
|
|
just killed the modem to get off line. If my fuzzy memory is working
|
|
right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work... It's been so long
|
|
I just don't remember...
|
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|
|
John -
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-*-
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93184 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93174)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
> I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage
|
|
|
|
What it all boils down to is what you are comfortable with..
|
|
|
|
> ... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it
|
|
> defaults to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to
|
|
> full screen mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad
|
|
> diagram, and lots of other good helpfull info.
|
|
|
|
I have never gotten into the editors enough to learn all the features. They
|
|
do have some good help features, but I feel kind of pressured when I'm
|
|
online and don't take enough time to try to learn them.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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-*-
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|
93185 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93175)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
> > You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..
|
|
> >
|
|
> > Much handier to use your own, right? <G>
|
|
>
|
|
> Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to
|
|
> just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload
|
|
> the file. Works for me 8-)
|
|
|
|
Yes, that's a good way. I use InfoXpress and it just calls up your editor
|
|
automatically, you edit your message and then it saves it when you exit
|
|
your editor. I like this better than taking up the time online.. Of
|
|
course it incurs logging on twice -- I usually just come back on and
|
|
upload my replies -- but it still takes less time than typing
|
|
in my stuff while online..
|
|
|
|
> It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy
|
|
> on it. I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I
|
|
> just killed the modem to get off line. If my fuzzy memory is working
|
|
> right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work... It's been so long
|
|
> I just don't remember...
|
|
|
|
Heheh... I know what you mean... you get into the things, and being
|
|
such a novice as I am, you cannot figure out how to get out.. forget...
|
|
didn't know in the first place... I have really gotten in some real
|
|
messes, but have always finally gotten it figured out..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
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End of Thread.
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|
-*-
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|
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93150 25-JUL 23:17 General Information
|
|
CONFERENCE NOTICE
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
POSTED: 25 Jul 95
|
|
|
|
HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
|
|
EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION:
|
|
|
|
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
// DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Monday, 31 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Microware's David Kimble will discuss
|
|
D.A.V.I.D, interactive "set top"
|
|
technology.
|
|
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
// GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
Coco Real Time Conference
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET
|
|
|
|
|
|
////////////////////////////
|
|
// IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Sunday, 30 Jul 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
|
|
---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
|
|
Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?
|
|
|
|
If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
|
|
other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
|
|
at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mike Rowen
|
|
VP OS-9/6809
|
|
OS-9 Users Group
|
|
mrowen01@delphi.com
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
93153 26-JUL 01:31 General Information
|
|
Fidonet
|
|
From: MANTONY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Can Fidonet be accessed thru the Internet? There are National COCO and OS9
|
|
discussion groups on Fidonet that appear to be different from those
|
|
available thru Usenbet. How would I get to them thru Internet?
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
93155 26-JUL 19:24 General Information
|
|
RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93153)
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: MANTONY
|
|
|
|
|
|
I wish i knew. I have tried FIDO gateways on the internet, but they have
|
|
all bombed. I've never gotten a response either. It may be one way or
|
|
something. It's sad, because there are a good number of people on FIDO.
|
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|
|
-Mike
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93218 3-AUG 00:20 General Information
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RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93155)
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From: CHYDE To: MROWEN01
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It's been a few years since I looked into this, but I remember that you
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ido echos to Usenet (and probably
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get permission to add them as news groups). The K12 news groups are echos
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of idonet echos, so it's possible.
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Chris
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93227 4-AUG 08:31 General Information
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RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93218)
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From: MROWEN01 To: CHYDE
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I've seen plenty of echoes of Fido to Usenet, but not the other way
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around. If you know more or can point me to a resource, please let me know.
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Thanks!
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Mike Rowen
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VP OS-9/6809
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OS-9 Users Group
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mrowen01@delphi.com
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93284 12-AUG 22:09 General Information
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RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93227)
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From: CHYDE To: MROWEN01
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You want to put some Usenet groups onto Fido then?? I haven't seen this,
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you probably have a fido board close to you and the sysop may know who
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to get in touch with. I thought you had wanted to put the Fido OS-9
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echo onto Usenet, though. There is also a fidonet news group, that's
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only purpose is to distibute a Fido news letter (I think it's comp.bbs.fido
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or something like that). There may also be information about contacts
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in the newsletter.
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Chris
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End of Thread.
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93154 26-JUL 05:36 General Information
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RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93089)
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From: COCOKIWI To: JOHNBAER
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Through Away! THROW Away <g>..............<argg>
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Thats the problem with this! $89.95 for a REFURBUSHED
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fan.......
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And I have to give Em the Old one! IT cost $108.00 NEW
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figure....$20 to clean..and put TWO 10c brushes in it!
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thats $60+ profit.......
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Arrrr! Such is life!
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Dennis
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93157 26-JUL 19:39 General Information
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RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93154)
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From: JOHNBAER To: COCOKIWI
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Dennis,
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Well, knowing that the `refurbushed' one is someone else's junk
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with a tar brush paint job & 10 cent brushes, just buy the NEW one! 8-)
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(ducking....) 8-)
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--
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John -
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Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
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End of Thread.
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93171 29-JUL 15:46 General Information
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GIME some info
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From: DBREEDING To: ALL
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Well, after making my brag a few days ago about not having any trouble
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with my coco, it tried to go south on me <G>
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Last night, it crashed with garbage on the screen, and turning it off
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and back on, would come up with random garbage.
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I took it apart and pushed on the GIME (and cpu, a 6309 socketed chip),
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but I'm sure it was the GIME. It didn't seem loose or anything but
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now it seems to be OK. It seems that this happened with my previous coco
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several years ago, and it is still operable, I suppose.
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What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be
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removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go? Reckon it's
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corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get worse?
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If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and
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no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go? I'm afraid to try
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to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93176 30-JUL 10:17 General Information
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RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93171)
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From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
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David,
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> What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be
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> removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go?
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I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here. Well, if it crashes
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again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it. Remember,
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that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side.
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I don't care much for this type, but that's me.
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> Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get
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> worse?
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Yep, it will, in time. I wouldn't clean it. Just remove and re-install
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it will wipe the contact point. Get the puller for this chip if your
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not comfortable pulling it yourself.
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> If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and
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> no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go? I'm afraid to try
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> to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary.
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Just get the puller and take your time. Also remember to ground the
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computer and yourself _before_ doing any work on it. Think of it like
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chicken soup.. it couldn't hurt 8-)
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John -
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93186 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
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RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93176)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
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> > What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be
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> > removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go?
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>
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> I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here.
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Correct.
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> Well, if it crashes
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> again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it. Remember,
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> that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side.
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> I don't care much for this type, but that's me.
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>
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> > Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just
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> get > worse?
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>
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> Yep, it will, in time. I wouldn't clean it. Just remove and re-install
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> it will wipe the contact point. Get the puller for this chip if your
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> not comfortable pulling it yourself.
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Actually, I knew that.. just had to have it verified.. <G> Probably would
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be best to go ahead and do it now. I really don't use it that much anymore,
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but still would feel like something were missing if I didn't have it.
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I still have my original coco, but this one has a 6309 in it.. not a real
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big thing, but now feel like I need it.. <G>
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> Just get the puller and take your time.
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Does Rat-Shack sell one that works? I think I've seen them in JDR or
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Jameco..
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I have a spare GIME for just in case...
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BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it
|
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won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette
|
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relay click. I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this..
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Is the correct one hard to find? Would this more likely be the switch
|
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or power supply?
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Be nice to have another backup..
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-- David Breeding --
|
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93193 31-JUL 19:11 General Information
|
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RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93186)
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From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
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|
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David,
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|
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>> Just get the puller and take your time.
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>
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> Does Rat-Shack sell one that works? I think I've seen them in JDR or
|
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> Jameco..
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Yea, I think the shack still sells it. I haven't looked lately..
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|
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> I have a spare GIME for just in case...
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When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's
|
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anymore. Pick up any spare's you can now.
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|
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> BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it
|
|
> won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette
|
|
> relay click. I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this..
|
|
> Is the correct one hard to find? Would this more likely be the switch
|
|
> or power supply?
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|
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If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage
|
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regs., etc. It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-)
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If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use.
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John -
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93200 31-JUL 23:44 General Information
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RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93193)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
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|
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> > I have a spare GIME for just in case...
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>
|
|
> When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's
|
|
> anymore. Pick up any spare's you can now.
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|
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Yes, I've heard they have become hard to come by.. I can't remember where
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I got mine.. I thought it would be a good idea.
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> > BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it
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> > won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the
|
|
> cassette > relay click.
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|
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> If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage
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> regs., etc. It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-)
|
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I don't, really.. I have the Service manual, but not a lot of test
|
|
equipment. I would like another one to stick a 6309 in.
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> If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use.
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Yes, that's for sure.. And it might come in handy.
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|
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-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93224 3-AUG 23:14 General Information
|
|
RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93200)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance Concepts,
|
|
indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of them years
|
|
ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is 216-974-9550
|
|
Give 'im a yell for pricing.
|
|
Gene
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93235 5-AUG 18:20 General Information
|
|
RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93224)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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|
|
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> Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance
|
|
> Concepts, indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of
|
|
> them years ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is
|
|
> 216-974-9550 Give 'im a yell for pricing.
|
|
> Gene
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the info, Gene. Myself, I have one for a spare with one working
|
|
coco and one non-working one, so maybe I'll be OK, but I'm sure there are
|
|
some who do need this info.
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|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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93254 6-AUG 22:35 General Information
|
|
RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93235)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back.
|
|
Cheers, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
93272 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
|
|
RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93254)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
> Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back.
|
|
> Cheers, Gene
|
|
|
|
yes, I believe I do remember him or someone bringing this up. Everyone should
|
|
get one..
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|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93301 13-AUG 23:08 General Information
|
|
RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93272)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Aggreed, I do have one already. Also a couple of spare machines, pick them
|
|
up at yard sales etc now, but one of my spares is Dennis Skala's machine,
|
|
and the other was a $50 closeout at the shack, as is whereis. Worked just
|
|
fine, I've added "the forgotten chip" to that one too, but thats the
|
|
extent of its mods so far. Does anyone know what price this gentleman
|
|
wants for one?
|
|
Cheers, Gene
|
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End of Thread.
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|
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93172 29-JUL 19:12 General Information
|
|
ar for msdos?
|
|
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone
|
|
know where I can find it?
|
|
|
|
Mike
|
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93180 30-JUL 13:36 General Information
|
|
RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93172)
|
|
From: JMURPHY To: MIKE_GUZZI
|
|
|
|
> I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone
|
|
> know where I can find it?
|
|
>
|
|
> Mike
|
|
>
|
|
|
|
Mike,
|
|
|
|
The last (only?) version that was ported to MSDOS was Ar 1.1
|
|
|
|
It should be in the libs somewhere, I think.
|
|
|
|
John Murphy
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|
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|
-*-
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|
93191 31-JUL 01:29 General Information
|
|
RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93180)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JMURPHY
|
|
|
|
Actually, I don't think an offical MSDOS port was ever released
|
|
pobucally (I may be mistaken) I do have a 1.5 "bootleg" AR for MSDOS,
|
|
but I don't think I can share it publically. I'll check though to
|
|
make sure
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
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End of Thread.
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93173 29-JUL 23:39 General Information
|
|
OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night
|
|
Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern
|
|
Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder)
|
|
With guest host David Kimble from Microware.
|
|
|
|
This Monday Night, David Kimble will be here to discuss
|
|
Microwares DAVID interactive set top system. Through the use of
|
|
television and other forms of media, home users will be able to do
|
|
things previously unimagined with the aid of a decoder used with
|
|
the television known as a _set top box_. Order Pizza, play games,
|
|
rent movies and countless other services will be available through
|
|
this interactive medium which will add a whole new dimension to
|
|
the television, as well as other devices(telephone,
|
|
computers,etc...).
|
|
|
|
DAVID is the system of software based on OS-9 which is at the
|
|
heart of these set top boxes. With a decent amount of publicity
|
|
devoted towards DAVID and related interactive services in the
|
|
media these days it only makes sense to have an OS-9 Late Night
|
|
dedicated to this topic, and David Kimble, who works on the DAVID
|
|
system at Microware, was kind enough to stop by anad offer some
|
|
insight on DAVID and what impact it will probably have for us in
|
|
the future.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Chris Perrault
|
|
OS-9 Users' Group
|
|
Sourcebook Coordinator
|
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|
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93179 30-JUL 12:49 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93173)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
Chris,
|
|
|
|
> OS-9 Late Night
|
|
> Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern
|
|
> Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder)
|
|
> With guest host David Kimble from Microware.
|
|
|
|
Now this should be a `full house' night! Will be there with
|
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buffer capture On 8-)
|
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|
|
John -
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|
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93181 30-JUL 17:52 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93179)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
>>Now this should be a 'full house' night!<<
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I expect that too. HToo bad Delphi doesn't seem to share our enthusiasm.
|
|
It would have been nice if they posted it in the logon banner :-(
|
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|
|
I guess a discussion on Greanpeacepipe is too important to pass up :-/
|
|
|
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See Ya there!
|
|
>Chris<
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|
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|
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93182 30-JUL 19:43 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93181)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
Hi Chris,
|
|
|
|
Why does this not surprise me...
|
|
|
|
Have you been to the CoCo, Atari, Amiga Sigs in the last 24 hours ?
|
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If the rumor is true, we won't be typing to each other after Dec 95.
|
|
|
|
It looks like Delphi will pull the plug on there command line
|
|
interface at the end of this year. I'm waiting to see _IF_ Delphi
|
|
gives an answer to this over on the Service Sig. Should be fun 8-(
|
|
|
|
John -
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|
-*-
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93190 31-JUL 01:22 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor probably
|
|
came
|
|
from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ. Most likely, some type of
|
|
user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text based
|
|
service, and the the numbers will dictate that a text based service will
|
|
still be necessary. This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall,
|
|
its all a $$$ thing in the long run...
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
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|
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93196 31-JUL 21:36 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93190)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
Hi Paul,
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|
|
|
> I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor
|
|
> probably came from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ.
|
|
|
|
From what I've been reading in the different Sig's and in the Service
|
|
Sig, this info is in the bata release that is being tested now.
|
|
|
|
> .. user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text...
|
|
|
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I would hope that Delphi would do it this way, but, ya never know...
|
|
|
|
> This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall, its all a $$$ thing
|
|
> in the long run...
|
|
|
|
Oh, I agree on the $$$ thing. It's just when you find out that you
|
|
have to the year's end to use this GUI or get lost... I don't believe
|
|
that Delphi wants to support 2 interfaces.. but just might have to _if_
|
|
the rest of us yell loud enough!
|
|
|
|
The other kick is, from the info in that bata release, that there
|
|
won't be a Mac version. Now, if Delphi doesn't care enough to do a
|
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Mac version, (not enough Mac people here?) what chance do the rest
|
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of us have ? ...
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I think we better start that yelling campaign real soon ;-)
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John -
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-*-
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93198 31-JUL 23:32 General Information
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RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
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From: THETAURUS To: JOHNBAER
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That would be a stupid thing to do. Doesn't meant they won't do it, but
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I hope they won't! They are good for being to home to nonmainstream
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computer groups, so this doesn't makesense.
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Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference
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tonight. Seems like EVERYONE was there, but there were a few missing, and if
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you are one of them, check out Issue number 4 of the MOTD(the one
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after the one currently being released). There will be an article
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based on the transcript in the issue.
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See Ya
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>Chris<
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-*-
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93210 1-AUG 22:31 General Information
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RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93198)
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From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS
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Chris,
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> That would be a stupid thing to do. ...
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I just got a reply from service... It comes down to, use it or lose it.
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As long as a lot of people _keep_ using the command line interface, it
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will stay. So, tell SERVICE that this is what you use, and not a GUI,
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so they have at least a count for the CLI.
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> Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference
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> tonight.
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(heh) I did come in a 1/2 hour late, so I'll be waiting to read the
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whole conference when it gets to my door <g>. For what I _did_ read,
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it was Great!!!
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--
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John -
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Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
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-*-
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93212 1-AUG 23:39 General Information
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Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93210)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: JOHNBAER
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To all, really.
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Even if you plan on using their new GUI thing, if you plan on continuing
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with the CoCo and OS9 (and atari and amiga and commodore and ...) SIGs,
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place your vote for keeping the command line interface! I feel that without
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it, enough people will leave that the continued existance of the SIGs will
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be in jepordy.
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Randy
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-*-
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93225 3-AUG 23:56 General Information
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RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93212)
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From: JIMDIXON To: ALL
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Randy:
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I modified the to line to be for all, but I agree completely. If you
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want Delphi to keep their CLI, you have to tell them. I just finished
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emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI, or at least survey
|
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their users and determine the impact of dropping it before doing so. I also
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|
told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely GUI,
|
|
I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing so.
|
|
If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an AOL
|
|
account. I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo support.
|
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The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer need my
|
|
account. One or two messages alone won't do it though, it's going to take
|
|
all of us to get their attention.
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James Dixon
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-*-
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93228 4-AUG 10:42 General Information
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RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225)
|
|
From: JIMDIXON To: ALL
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|
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|
I thought everyone might be interested in Service's reply to my comments about
|
|
keeping the CLI. Here's their response:
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From: BOS::SERVICE "Delphi Internet Services" 4-AUG-1995 08:35:57.87
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To: BOS::JIMDIXON
|
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CC:
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Subj: RE: CLI's and GUI's
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Thanks for writing. Delphi has not announced when the new platform will
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|
be released. As for the current menu driven system and InterNav, they
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|
will be supported indefinately as long as there is significant interest by
|
|
our members. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
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|
Kevin
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|
Online Support
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|
|
|
This of course begs the question of what exactly constitutes "significant
|
|
interest". I urge all concerned to write service expressing your views, and
|
|
to post in the Delphi Future forum in the Using Delphi section.
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|
James Dixon
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-*-
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93229 4-AUG 19:28 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93228)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: JIMDIXON
|
|
|
|
James, and everybody else -
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|
|
|
> Here's their response:
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|
I've gotten the same `caned' answer as you did. Now, you are right..
|
|
We must do two things here. Tell SERVICE that we want to keep the CLI
|
|
and keep _using_ the CLI.
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|
|
|
Reading between the lines, I believe this is what is meant by
|
|
"significant interest".
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--
|
|
John -
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|
|
Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
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|
|
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-*-
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|
93237 5-AUG 18:21 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JIMDIXON
|
|
|
|
> I just finished
|
|
> emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI,
|
|
|
|
A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
|
|
I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
|
|
don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>
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|
|
|
> I
|
|
> also told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely
|
|
> GUI, I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing
|
|
> so. If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an
|
|
> AOL account. I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo
|
|
> support. The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer
|
|
> need my account.
|
|
|
|
I must say that I would probably follow suit. This forum is the only one
|
|
I normally visit here (except mail, of course). IMO, I'd say that there
|
|
are many, many who are here solely because of the non-requirement for a GUI.
|
|
|
|
I suspect that if a CLI is no longer available, the coco and os-9 base
|
|
here will probably end.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
|
93239 5-AUG 21:20 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David,
|
|
|
|
> A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
|
|
> I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
|
|
> don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>
|
|
|
|
Yes! At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it.
|
|
|
|
--
|
|
John -
|
|
|
|
Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93242 5-AUG 22:23 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237)
|
|
From: JIMDIXON To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David:
|
|
I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the
|
|
message to Service.
|
|
James Dixon
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93245 6-AUG 01:32 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93239)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
> > A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
|
|
> > I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
|
|
> > don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>
|
|
>
|
|
> Yes! At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it.
|
|
|
|
OK, thanks, and will do..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93246 6-AUG 01:32 General Information
|
|
RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93242)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JIMDIXON
|
|
|
|
> I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the
|
|
> message to Service.
|
|
|
|
Thanks.. I guess I should do a little homework on a few of the simple
|
|
things, but up till now, I hadn't needed to know this feature.. <:-(
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93251 6-AUG 12:41 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
WHAT? I better get my 486 running quick! Man, what a bummer! I
|
|
will be optomistic and say I HOPE IT AIN'T TRUE!
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
|
|
|
|
-= GEN =-
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93183 30-JUL 22:09 General Information
|
|
help
|
|
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hi All,
|
|
|
|
I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309
|
|
chip. The
|
|
one I have in my coco went dead. I was using b&b booster, and
|
|
because of what it did to my boot file I can't even access my
|
|
hard drive with a regular 6809 chip in my coco. Any help would
|
|
be greatly appreciated.
|
|
|
|
Thanks,
|
|
Bob
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93189 30-JUL 22:28 General Information
|
|
RE: help (Re: Msg 93183)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84
|
|
|
|
> I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309
|
|
> chip.
|
|
|
|
You have several choices:
|
|
|
|
1) Northern Xposure
|
|
7 Greeboro Cres
|
|
Ottawa, ON K1T 1W6
|
|
Canada
|
|
(613)736-0329
|
|
cmckay@northx.isis.org
|
|
|
|
2) Terry Laraway
|
|
41 N.W. Doncee Drive
|
|
Bremerton, WA 98310
|
|
(206)692-5374
|
|
|
|
3) CoNect
|
|
449 South 90th Street
|
|
Milwaukee, WI 53214
|
|
|
|
I'm not sure about CoNect... I thought he _did_ sell them, but didn't
|
|
see it listed in latest ad. However, he did have an account here,
|
|
"RICKULAND", but may not be using it now.. (Did he change it to CONECT???)
|
|
You might contact REVWCP (I think)... anyway, REVWCP is Bro. Jeremy,
|
|
and he and Rick are friends, so he should be able to tell you..
|
|
|
|
There may also be others but these are the ones I know about..
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93194 31-JUL 20:06 General Information
|
|
RE: help (Re: Msg 93183)
|
|
From: WILLIAMSON68 To: ROBERT84
|
|
|
|
Try contacting MRUPGRADE on delphi. He might be able to supply you with an
|
|
address as well as a phone #. The chip is hard to find but not impossible. If
|
|
he can't help you, let me know & I'll dig around for a driver for that HD.
|
|
8-) --dan
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93192 31-JUL 18:45 Telecom (6809)
|
|
SuperComm
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
With regards to knowledge...this is an update on my installation of SuperComm.
|
|
I've gotten rid of most if not all the echo and hanging problems.
|
|
|
|
It seems that if I just use "SuperComm<>>>/w2&", everything works fine.
|
|
If I add any modifier (i.e. f=/r0/Capture etc.), thats when I run into those
|
|
other problems.
|
|
|
|
Since I can't add any modifier, how can I change the default buffer size?
|
|
|
|
So far so good. SuperComm sure beats what I was using for OS9. I didn't
|
|
realize how far behind the times I was...then again, I just learned how
|
|
to get a subject listing from the forum messages. <G>
|
|
|
|
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93197 31-JUL 22:10 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93192)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
Dom,
|
|
|
|
If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also work.
|
|
I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get to
|
|
supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like the
|
|
redirection stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93201 31-JUL 23:44 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
> If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also
|
|
> work. I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get
|
|
> to supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like
|
|
> the redirection stuff.
|
|
|
|
I'm a little fuzzy on Supercomm for the CoCo, but glancing at the docs for
|
|
Supercomm, it appears that a number by itself is accepted as a buffer
|
|
size parameter. The #40K might not affect the buffer size, depending on how
|
|
it was written...
|
|
|
|
As I said, it's been a while since I fooled with it, but if memory serves
|
|
correctly, I also had a little difficulty with the capture open parameter,
|
|
or else I saw something about it...
|
|
|
|
Might be something that would need looking into..
|
|
|
|
Speaking of Supercomm, I think I once mentioned it already, but I believe
|
|
in ANSI (or VT100?) emulation, it had a little buglet in that it's CurXY
|
|
operated in "base 0" mode, where the Home position was 0,0 where ANSI is
|
|
"base 1", where Home is 1,1 ??? Not fatal, but a little annoying... <G>
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93207 1-AUG 18:21 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
Man, I'll bet you're a little tired of answering SuperComm questions?
|
|
(Forum must have a million of them.) <G>
|
|
Well here goes again...only trying in the interest of knowledge to help
|
|
nail this down. If it gets too much..please ignore.
|
|
|
|
> If SuperComm <>>>/w2& works... Supercomm #40k <>>>/w2& should...
|
|
|
|
You're right! What threw me off there was that I was trying #8k and what
|
|
showed up at the top right hand corner was 3k. I've since tried #40k etc..
|
|
and now I see that whatever value I choose gets reported as 5k less that
|
|
what is entered. (i.e. #40k shows 35k, and #8k shows 3k.) I don't know
|
|
why everything is shown as 5k less but at least it reports.
|
|
|
|
The problems appear when I give: SuperComm f=/r0/Capture <>>>/w2&.
|
|
When you go to the screen, there is a box saying "Send ASCII File". At this
|
|
point the break key only kills the top box and leaves the screen working
|
|
area only in the shadow area. You must use enter to abort from the original
|
|
overlay. Once the box is aborted, it leaves the main screen echoing the
|
|
keyboard. I think in experimenting that I've seen the screen echo even
|
|
though no overlay box was presented on startup this way.(?)
|
|
Also, whatever you type in the conference area gets echoed also on top.
|
|
You can stop the echoing by going to "Shell Access" and back but the
|
|
auto dialer box hangs with no connection tone when connection occures.
|
|
|
|
As long as I leave out the file pathlist modifier string, everything seems
|
|
to work all right. It doesn't matter to me if I'm not be able to include this
|
|
setup string. If the 5k differance in the buffer setup is normal, its a go.
|
|
|
|
One other thing I have a question about tho.. is that during an actual
|
|
conference, a couple of times I had to hit the enter key to continue
|
|
showing the conference. Once hit, the screen showed all the lines that
|
|
the others typed during that time. (checked: xmode=pau=00, tmode= -pause)
|
|
I have to figure that out if I am to use SuperComm for conference.
|
|
|
|
(Just for reference..I have made two boot disks. One for drive 0 and
|
|
one for drive 2. Both react the same. <G>)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93208 1-AUG 18:50 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93207)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
Dom,
|
|
|
|
I'm going to, for now, call the echo thing a bug in the "f=*" parsing
|
|
routine. I've never had a complaint before, but it's very possible you
|
|
are the only one in the world who has actually *used* the feature. That
|
|
chunk of code is old, written before I "inherited" care of the program.
|
|
I did diddle with the actual download routines for 2.2, and it is possible
|
|
I broke a hook for the capture routine.
|
|
|
|
The number you give on the command line is the total amount of data space
|
|
OS-9 will give SuperComm, minimum 8K, max 40K. Out of this data space,
|
|
SuperComm uses about 5K for it's own internal variables and data/string
|
|
buffers. Everything that is left over (3-35K) gets used as the download
|
|
buffer.
|
|
|
|
I remember that conference problem. It is on Delphi's end. I'm not sure
|
|
if I ever figured out what tripped it, but Delphi would, under the right
|
|
conditions, turn "page pause" on for you. The fix was to either exit/
|
|
enter conference, or do a /len=0 (or was it /nopag?).
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93209 1-AUG 20:24 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93208)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
|
|
I think, at least for now, <G>, everything that is important has been
|
|
addressed. I'll look into the "/nopag" command and if the situation
|
|
occures again, I'll do that before I enter conference.
|
|
|
|
Thanks again for your help!
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93221 3-AUG 05:50 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
|
|
From: BROWN80 To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
40K is a little too large a buffer. Try a smaller one say 30K. It works for
|
|
me. The older versions of Supercomm would work with 40 but evidently the
|
|
newer versions are a little larger.
|
|
|
|
|
|
John Brown
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93222 3-AUG 19:35 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93221)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: BROWN80
|
|
|
|
John,
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SuperComm, up through release 2.1a, would work fine with a 48K buffer. You
|
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are correct that release 2.2 got a bit bigger and crossed a magic boundry.
|
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It's max data size is 40K. release 2.3 will address this shrinking buffer
|
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prblem in a rather unique way. Look for it this fall.
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Randy
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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93205 1-AUG 02:01 System Modules (6809)
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GIME
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From: WDTV5 To: ALL
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|
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In regard to GIME chips, recall that Glenn A. Emelco. 216-974-9550
|
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indicated a few weeks back that his company had about 50 of them to spare.
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-*-
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93213 2-AUG 00:08 General Information
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CONFERENCE NOTICE
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From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
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POSTED: 1 Aug 95
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|
HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
|
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EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required):
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|
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///////////////////////////////
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// DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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///////////////////////////////
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OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Monday, 7 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
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Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
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//////////////////////////////
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// GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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//////////////////////////////
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Coco Real Time Conference
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|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET
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////////////////////////////
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// IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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////////////////////////////
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OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC
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|
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
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Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
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---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
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Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?
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If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
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other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
|
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at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.
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Mike Rowen
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VP OS-9/6809
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OS-9 Users Group
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mrowen01@delphi.com
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93215 2-AUG 20:42 General Information
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OS-9 Late Night:DAVID conference
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|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
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As expected, the DAVID conference was great, and well worth the
|
|
effort! I want to thank everyone who came and made this
|
|
worthwhile, and I, as well as everyone else who was there,
|
|
appreciate Dave Kimble stopping by.
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|
|
|
I'm not sure when the transcript will be ready for upload, as
|
|
Colin will be handling this one. An article based on the
|
|
transcript will be in the upcoming MOTD(not the issue that's
|
|
coming out right now, but this next one being worked on).
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|
|
|
Speaking of DAVID, does anyone have the latest PIPELINES? I just
|
|
got it in the mail today, and it looks pretty good. They had quite
|
|
a bit of DAVID coverage in there, as well as an interesting
|
|
article by Sherry Sitzler of KD Associates, on how Nasa uses
|
|
Sculptor and OS-9 for several tasks related to the Space shuttle
|
|
and budget control. KD Associates is the home of Sculptor DBMS.
|
|
|
|
The latest MOTD should be out soon. When you get it, check out
|
|
the TWO sourcebook articles in there, one is the promised BBS
|
|
article w/entry form and the other is an article w/ entry form for
|
|
industrial users. If you or someone you know belongs to these two
|
|
categories, have those forms sent in!
|
|
|
|
And finally, on the subject on the next OS-9 Late Night
|
|
schedule, it still, isn't complete yet, as I have to put the
|
|
finishing touch on a few things. We WILL be having an Atlanta fest
|
|
related conference in September, but I forgot what exact week it
|
|
was(DOH). I know, "Can you say, 'notepad' Chris?". Also, we will
|
|
be having our 1 year anniversary conference this month, possibly
|
|
another programming topic, and another conference with Mike Rowen
|
|
VP of 6809 is in the works, but I don't know if it will be in the
|
|
next schedule or not(we have hammered down a specific date yet, I
|
|
don't think<G>), and we MIGHT have KD Associates, the company I
|
|
mentioned earlier, but it hasn't been etched in stone yet. There
|
|
won't be a shortage of topics, just a little stumbling on my part
|
|
to either remember them or get them in the right week. Next week
|
|
will be an Open Forum, so come one and come all, and say whatever
|
|
the '(#T%& you want, just be nice to the host ;-)
|
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|
|
See Ya
|
|
Chris Perrault
|
|
OS-9 Users' Group
|
|
Sourcebook Coordinator
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|
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|
93223 3-AUG 21:48 General Information
|
|
Help with GNU C++
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hello everyone,
|
|
|
|
After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database
|
|
here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC one.
|
|
Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp" program
|
|
with the GNU compiler? I tried:
|
|
|
|
gcc2 hello.cpp
|
|
|
|
But it doesn't like this at all. I thought there would be a C++ executive
|
|
in the archives, but none could be found.
|
|
|
|
Any help would be appreciated.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
93248 6-AUG 09:46 General Information
|
|
RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93223)
|
|
From: JOHNREED To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
> Hello everyone,
|
|
>
|
|
> After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database
|
|
> here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC
|
|
> one. Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp"
|
|
> program with the GNU compiler? I tried:
|
|
>
|
|
> gcc2 hello.cpp
|
|
>
|
|
> But it doesn't like this at all. I thought there would be a C++
|
|
> executive in the archives, but none could be found.
|
|
>
|
|
> Any help would be appreciated.
|
|
>
|
|
|
|
Boisy,
|
|
C++ support is included in "gcc2". It examines the extension on the
|
|
source filename to determine whether it is C or C++. ex. sourcefile.c
|
|
is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the
|
|
docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one
|
|
that works for me is ".cc". I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot
|
|
the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked.
|
|
|
|
try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors.
|
|
|
|
JohnW
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93267 10-AUG 06:30 General Information
|
|
RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93248)
|
|
From: BOISY To: JOHNREED
|
|
|
|
> Boisy,
|
|
> C++ support is included in "gcc2". It examines the extension on the
|
|
> source filename to determine whether it is C or C++. ex. sourcefile.c
|
|
> is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the
|
|
> docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one
|
|
> that works for me is ".cc". I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot
|
|
> the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked.
|
|
>
|
|
> try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors.
|
|
>
|
|
> JohnW
|
|
>
|
|
|
|
Thanks John, I figured out that indeed .cc is the correct extension.
|
|
It seems .cpp is an extension given after the source has been through
|
|
the preprocessor.
|
|
|
|
Thanks again.
|
|
--
|
|
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|
|
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
|
|
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|
|
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93226 4-AUG 07:08 General Information
|
|
bimonthly
|
|
From: JEJONES To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you subscribers?
|
|
Not in my case.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93261 8-AUG 21:03 General Information
|
|
RE: bimonthly (Re: Msg 93226)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
On 4-AUG 07:08 JEJONES said to DSRTFOX
|
|
> Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you
|
|
>subscribers? Not in my case.
|
|
> Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
Hope everyone feels that way James! Just getting to be to much work, and my
|
|
work load (real job!) has increased some, and may be more so in the future.
|
|
I plan on becoming a USAF recruiter early next year, and going to school for
|
|
six weeks would be a problem. With the change in publishing schedule, there
|
|
will be no interuption in service.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Francis (Frank) Swygert
|
|
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
|
|
|
|
`[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93231 4-AUG 23:43 Programmers Den
|
|
va_arg() call in Ultra C
|
|
From: PAGAN To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C?
|
|
I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it
|
|
in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter?
|
|
|
|
Stephen Carville (PAGAN)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93234 5-AUG 11:39 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93231)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: PAGAN
|
|
|
|
> Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C?
|
|
> I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it
|
|
> in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter?
|
|
|
|
va_arg takes two arguments--one is the va_list that contains some information
|
|
about how to get to the next argument, and the other is a type (so that
|
|
va_arg syntactically has to be a macro--C's, um, interesting type syntax
|
|
constrains the types that can appear there, so you may have to typedef a
|
|
type to make va_arg work).
|
|
|
|
How va_arg works depends on the particular compiler and target processor,
|
|
though often it will presume that arguments are passed on the stack, so
|
|
that a va_list contains a pointer that va_arg dereferences after appropriate
|
|
coercion and increments the pointer for the next time around.
|
|
|
|
The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional arguments
|
|
one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you can va_end,
|
|
va_start, and grind through them again if you want). It's presumed that
|
|
you know what types the optional arguments have; the standard example is
|
|
printf(), in which the printf() code looks at the format string, says,
|
|
"hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an int," and uses va_arg(alist, int)
|
|
to access it.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93243 5-AUG 23:47 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93234)
|
|
From: PAGAN To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
|
|
>The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional
|
|
>arguments one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you
|
|
>can va_end, va_start, and grind through them again if you want).
|
|
>It's presumed that you know what types the optional arguments have;
|
|
>the standard example is printf(), in which the printf() code looks
|
|
>at the format string, says, "hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an
|
|
>int," and uses va_arg(alist, int) to access it.
|
|
|
|
Thanks, it worked perfectly.
|
|
|
|
Stephen Carville (PAGAN)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93236 5-AUG 18:21 General Information
|
|
bimonthly
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Frank,
|
|
|
|
James (JEJONES) said:
|
|
|
|
> Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you
|
|
> subscribers? Not in my case.
|
|
|
|
I would like to echo my agreement here.. If it will be better, I'm satisfied
|
|
with the new setup. I do look forward to getting each issue with great
|
|
anticipation, but I much prefer getting 6 issues a year over the total
|
|
loss of it all..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93238 5-AUG 20:39 General Information
|
|
help
|
|
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hi All,
|
|
|
|
Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B
|
|
program booster did to my boot file? Since my 6309 chip went
|
|
bad and I put my old
|
|
chip back, I can't access my hard drive. And of course I ran
|
|
booster -u on
|
|
all of my boot disks. Any help would be appreciated.
|
|
|
|
Bob
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93244 6-AUG 01:31 General Information
|
|
RE: help (Re: Msg 93238)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84
|
|
|
|
> Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B
|
|
> program booster did to my boot file? Since my 6309 chip went
|
|
> bad and I put my old
|
|
> chip back, I can't access my hard drive. And of course I ran
|
|
> booster -u on
|
|
> all of my boot disks.
|
|
|
|
Do you have the original distribution disk(s)? If you don't have a
|
|
single other boot disk, you may need to go back to square one..
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93253 6-AUG 22:20 General Information
|
|
RE: help (Re: Msg 93244)
|
|
From: ROBERT84 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Hi Dave,
|
|
|
|
That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-)
|
|
|
|
Bob
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93271 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
|
|
RE: help (Re: Msg 93253)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84
|
|
|
|
> That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-)
|
|
|
|
It shouldn't be all that hard to do. If you have your HD driver in
|
|
6809 form - surely you do, you can first set up any bootable OS9 disk
|
|
and add the driver to your os9boot, or if you don't want to go to that
|
|
trouble, if you're using pretty much a minimal boot disk, you might be
|
|
able to just load your HD driver and descriptor into memory and get
|
|
access to your HD if you need the HD to get at critical files.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93252 6-AUG 21:49 General Information
|
|
IX info
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Hello David,
|
|
|
|
I just re-read your post about sending with IX..
|
|
|
|
> I instructed IX to send it unformatted ...
|
|
|
|
OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line.
|
|
When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send'
|
|
it, use the <P>ost command here. With the .LT at the beginning,
|
|
all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in. IX will
|
|
Post it, just like you were online live.
|
|
|
|
This is how I post my messages here. I don't use the <U>nformatted
|
|
command 8-)
|
|
|
|
> I just didn't want to take any chances <G>
|
|
|
|
Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup
|
|
Delphi <Grin>.
|
|
|
|
> BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself? I tried it for stdout
|
|
> and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good..
|
|
|
|
No.. not yet, but will be soon!
|
|
|
|
--
|
|
John -
|
|
|
|
Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93269 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
|
|
RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93252)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
|
|
|
|
> > I instructed IX to send it unformatted ...
|
|
>
|
|
> OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line.
|
|
> When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send'
|
|
> it, use the <P>ost command here. With the .LT at the beginning,
|
|
> all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in. IX will
|
|
> Post it, just like you were online live.
|
|
|
|
I think IX did this, but I'm not sure... things go by pretty fast <G>
|
|
I was trying to watch as it was posted, and did see some dot-command.
|
|
|
|
Actually, I don't have to have unformatted posting very often. Only when
|
|
I'm posting something like this or find I need it if I start a line
|
|
out with a slash in naming a device descriptor <G>
|
|
|
|
> This is how I post my messages here. I don't use the <U>nformatted
|
|
> command 8-)
|
|
|
|
I _will_ try to remember this.. I guess one could make a habit of starting
|
|
with this, There doesn't seem to be any harm that could happen.
|
|
|
|
> > I just didn't want to take any chances <G>
|
|
>
|
|
> Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup
|
|
> Delphi <Grin>.
|
|
|
|
About not taking chances, I meant by indenting.
|
|
|
|
Nahh, lockups don't scare me now.. I've had so many in my time that
|
|
they just come naturally, now. <G>
|
|
|
|
|
|
As a side note, in case you or anyone else is interested, I just made
|
|
a strange discovery tonight.. On my CI$ connection, it's supposed to
|
|
be a 14.4 connect, but it seemed that I got a 9600 connect about all
|
|
the time. I figured it was just that they were too tight to buy
|
|
new modems and were still using a lot of 9600's. I had not really
|
|
noticed a pattern, but tonight, I went on with ix, connected at 9600,
|
|
and, in fact, was joining a new forum and wanted to get all the messages.
|
|
|
|
I had just gone online with sterm to check out my go command. It was 14.4
|
|
I tried several connects... each time, ix was 9600, sterm was 14.4.
|
|
In my init string, I had "at s36=7". This was listed in my manual as
|
|
the default, and I think it has been the default for everything I had
|
|
known of. But in my factory setting, and both my nv-ram configs, it
|
|
was 135. I took it out of my init string and ix went on at 14.4...
|
|
|
|
This sounds strange, but apparently this is something with my modem,
|
|
it doesn't want s36=7 for 14.4.. Gosh, I wish I had known that 20
|
|
minutes earlier <G>... BTW.. FWIW, my modem is a Supra 14.4
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93288 13-AUG 12:58 General Information
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RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93269)
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From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
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David,
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> About not taking chances, I meant by indenting.
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OK, understand now. I do the same thing.. indent by one.
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> As a side note... [snip]
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> In my init string, I had "at s36=7".
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(hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull
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things _can_ happen. :)
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Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do,
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I would leave them along. On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands
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for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for setting
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the register `r' Value to `n'... Ok, but nothing about _what_ these do <G>.
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You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!!
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John -
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93298 13-AUG 21:51 General Information
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RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93288)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
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> > As a side note... [snip]
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> > In my init string, I had "at s36=7".
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>
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> (hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull
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> things _can_ happen. :)
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Well, the docs said that 7 was supposed to be the default, but 135 was
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the value stored in mine. Actually, this was the value 7 plus bit 7
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set. However,fter downloading the docs from the Supra Forum, it explains
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that bits 7-6 affect the fallback procedure or something.. I had already
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determined that something like this would have to be the case.
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> Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do,
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> I would leave them along.
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The docs that came with it explained most things fairly well. I don't
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fool with changing them very much. A few do help. I am amazed at
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the number of people who post messages asking for init strings and the
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like. I have had very few cases where the default could not at least
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conduct a successful session.. Many of them are customizations.
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> On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands
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> for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for
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> setting the register `r' Value to `n'... Ok, but nothing about _what_
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> these do <G>.
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A few I have played with are S11, where a lower number will speed up
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the dialing. On mine, S95 affects the Connect report, and a few others
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do make a difference. But, all in all, I don't do a big lot with them
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except to play around with them.
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> You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!!
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Yeah, you -hope-. The big thing now that there are so many features
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being incorporated into the modems these days that it's getting to be
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that you almost need to go to school to learn all that they will do <G>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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93257 7-AUG 01:34 Telecom (6809)
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supercomm
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From: SMITHBA To: RANDYKWILSON
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Randy,
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In following with DOMM's comments. I tried using:
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SUPERCOMM -f=/r0/file <>>>/w&
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on sc 2.2 a send ascii box poped up asking for a file name.
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I just pressed enter and the box closed. no file was opened.
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on sc 2.3 it worked perfectly. I checked /r0 and found the
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file was created and waiting for me to open the buffer.
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I guess he will just have to wait, to get this great
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version 2.3
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Later,
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BRIAN SMITH
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93264 9-AUG 19:03 General Information
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OS-9000 & Printer
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From: JOHNREED To: EDELMAR
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Hey Ed,
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I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!!
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The secret: #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?)
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It seems my sound card is set to IRQ-7 but it's IRQ can be
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changed with a software command. Resetting it to IRQ-10 and
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then booting OS-9000 gives me a printer that works.
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Messydos and OS-2 are probably resetting that IRQ for themselves,
|
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and Linux seems to ignore the sound card, but OS-9000 finds it
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on IRQ7 and does not like it.
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Now, I will reset the sound card's jumper to IRQ-10, and then
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see what THAT screws up. (Grin).
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I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's.
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(mumble, grumble)
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JohnW
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93286 13-AUG 05:38 General Information
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RE: OS-9000 & Printer (Re: Msg 93264)
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From: EDELMAR To: JOHNREED
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> I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!!
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> The secret: #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?)
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> ...
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> ...
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> I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's.
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> (mumble, grumble)
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Big GRIN!!!
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Guess I was lucky - while I have a CDROM, I never installed the sound card -
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still sitting in the box collecting dust.
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Ed
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End of Thread.
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93265 9-AUG 23:42 General Information
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Bunk with a Monk
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From: REVWCP To: ALL
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Dear friends:
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I am planning on attending the Atlanta COCOFest and I am looking
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for a roommate(s) to share a hotel room with. I'll be arriving
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sometime Friday afternoon/evening and leaving Sunday late afternoon
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or evening.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+
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+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
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+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
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+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
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+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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93266 10-AUG 01:56 General Information
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CD-i Dev. System for sale
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From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
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**** FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE ****
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CD-i 602 Development System for sale
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Barely used, Under Warranty, everything in perfect condition.
|
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Includes CD-i Mouse (I wish I could find as good a mouse as this!),
|
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Base case player ready to accept hard drives & ethernet cards.
|
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Cannot use Digital Video Cards. Other than that, it's a full fledged
|
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Development System! Fully supported by OptImage (a subsidiary of
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Philips). I know there are people who want this BAD so snatch it up
|
|
quick! This unit was displayed at Chi' Fest '95 and uses composite or RGB
|
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video. Also uses a caddy system so all your CDs are safe from wear!
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Price?
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Price?
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Price?!?
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$1500 FIRM This is a STEAL!!! These things go for $3000 from
|
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Optimage!!!
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Please reply by E-Mail. Or call: (815)-756-7419
|
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Hurry or it will be gone!
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Dave Pellerito - Digigrade Productions
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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|Dave Pellerito - <digigrade@delphi.com> | Posted using InfoXpress |
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|Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK |
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|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|
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| *********** Compact discs, the greatest idea since television *********** |
|
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|___________________________________________________________________________|
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93268 10-AUG 21:18 General Information
|
|
MM/1 Single board & Mouse
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: ALL
|
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|
|
Anyone know if you can use the T1 port for a mouse on a MM/1
|
|
single board system ? The T0 is used as a modem port and a mouse
|
|
would be nice :)
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|
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Thanks in advance..
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|
|
John -
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93275 11-AUG 01:44 General Information
|
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RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93268)
|
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From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER
|
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|
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Well, I'll take a stab at it. In one of my manuals it mentions that ms is the
|
|
serial mouse descriptor and if you are using it, I magine you could change it.
|
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But I think that is the original stuff. I don't have it on my system and I
|
|
haven't quite located what could be changed and where (got later modules).
|
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Unforch, t1 does not have any lines for DTR, CD and RTS and this might make
|
|
using that port for a mouse an impossibility. I have to dig into the books
|
|
to find out. I got the extended system when I bought mine so I never looked
|
|
into using a different port for the mouse.
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93277 12-AUG 00:07 General Information
|
|
RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93275)
|
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From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP
|
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|
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Thanks Bob! I also bought the extended system way back...
|
|
Didn't need the `info' then :) I'll keep digging...
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John -
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93278 12-AUG 00:28 General Information
|
|
RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93277)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER
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|
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Hey, no problem. I wish I had help the first time I got mine (grin).
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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93273 11-AUG 00:47 General Information
|
|
NitrOS-9 v1.22
|
|
From: JMOORFOOT To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I haven't had any success getting V1.22 to boot & received the
|
|
following message (via internet) from Alan DeKok
|
|
A quick question: are you running a Burke & Burke system? If so,
|
|
that's probably the source of your problems with v1.22. Wes Gale
|
|
found the problem, and uploaded a fix to Chestnut a little while ago.
|
|
|
|
Well I am running a B&B system and chestnut doesn't look like coming
|
|
back to life, so can anyone help me with the fix.
|
|
|
|
John
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93276 11-AUG 23:09 General Information
|
|
MM/1 For Sale
|
|
From: ERNIEWITHERS To: ALL
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|
|
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|
|
For Sale: Complete MM/1 System, S/N 120848 with IMS manuals
|
|
Includes: IMS Slimline case & power supply
|
|
I/O board
|
|
OS-9/68000 v2.4 with Microware manuals
|
|
3 megabytes RAM
|
|
4 serial ports (/t0, /t1, /t2, & /t3)
|
|
2 parallel ports (/p & /p1)
|
|
2 1.4MB floppy drives
|
|
105 MB Quantum hard drive
|
|
101 key XT/AT switchable keyboard
|
|
Logitech 3 button Series 9 serial mouse
|
|
Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor
|
|
MM/1 Technical Manual
|
|
|
|
Software: FHL's FBU & FRS backup/restore software
|
|
(Includes original FHL's DynaStar & DynaForm for 68000
|
|
disk & manual) BGFX
|
|
Fontasee font editor
|
|
WriteRight word processor
|
|
Speedisk disk defragmenter
|
|
Ved, Vprint, & Vmail
|
|
EthaGUI
|
|
Desktop
|
|
TasCOM
|
|
ColorSystems Game Pack
|
|
Lots of public domain software
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All serious offers will be considered, preferably for the complete
|
|
system but I will consider breaking it up. I'll bring everything
|
|
to the Atlanta 'Fest if anyone is seriously interested.
|
|
|
|
If interested, leave E-Mail.
|
|
|
|
Ernest Withers CIS: 71545,1117 Delphi: ERNIEWITHERS
|
|
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|
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93280 12-AUG 07:07 General Information
|
|
CONFERENCE NOTICE (a little late)
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
POSTED: 12 Aug 95
|
|
|
|
HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
|
|
EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required):
|
|
|
|
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
// DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
|
|
Monday, 21 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
|
|
|
|
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
// GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
Coco Real Time Conference
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET
|
|
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|
|
|
////////////////////////////
|
|
// IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
|
|
|
|
---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
|
|
Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?
|
|
|
|
If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
|
|
other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
|
|
at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mike Rowen
|
|
VP OS-9/6809
|
|
OS-9 Users Group
|
|
mrowen01@delphi.com
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
93282 12-AUG 14:54 General Information
|
|
Win 95
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hey, all
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|
|
|
Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it recently.. Hey,
|
|
did you know that, according to the demo, you can actually take Win-95
|
|
and start printing something and then, go back and do something else
|
|
while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT? YES! Isn't that amazing?
|
|
|
|
In the demo, they say, "It isn't magic.. It's Win 95"
|
|
|
|
What will they think of next? Have any of you heard of anything so
|
|
amazing as being able to do TWO WHOLE TASKS on your computer AT THE
|
|
SAME TIME??? Hard to believe, isn't it? <VBG>
|
|
|
|
I also saw a review of Win 95 in the Aug US News & World Report.
|
|
|
|
About multitasking, they say,
|
|
|
|
".. You can have two or three programs, or more, open at once.
|
|
|
|
" It will still occasionally crash - ... - but most users will find
|
|
multitasking works most of the time."
|
|
^^^^
|
|
Heh heh.. I guess as long as it works -part- of the time, it's better
|
|
than not at all.. Just think about it, a concept that's been pretty
|
|
well perfected what - 15 years? and they still haven't got it right.
|
|
|
|
Maybe someday...
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
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93304 13-AUG 23:43 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
I have seen it. I'm almost as impressed as you are. I have some old fossil
|
|
machines and software that people used to run businesses (inventory, payroll,
|
|
ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a lot of "bells-and-whistles"
|
|
added to very basic stuff. Since most computer users never had experience
|
|
with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great. OF course, I wouldn't
|
|
want to try a spreadsheet on a PDP-8 (grin).
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|
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|
-*-
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93315 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
>>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it
|
|
recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can
|
|
actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go
|
|
back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT?
|
|
YES! Isn't that amazing?
|
|
|
|
WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop
|
|
computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for
|
|
inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this
|
|
right? You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually
|
|
run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME? Do
|
|
you think think this will open the doors for say, a person to
|
|
someday be able to download a file from an electronic service,
|
|
while also using another application at the same time? Perhaps
|
|
even print a file on top of that? This is truly groundbreaking,
|
|
and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever
|
|
lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows
|
|
imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of
|
|
computing, Windows!
|
|
|
|
;-)
|
|
>Chris<
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|
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93320 17-AUG 21:03 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93304)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
> I have seen it. I'm almost as impressed as you are. I have some old
|
|
> fossil machines and software that people used to run businesses
|
|
> (inventory, payroll, ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a
|
|
> lot of "bells-and-whistles"
|
|
> added to very basic stuff. Since most computer users never had
|
|
> experience with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great.
|
|
|
|
Heh-heee.. I remember a few years ago when DOS finally got to where
|
|
they could just load 2 programs in memory... not run them, just load
|
|
a couple.. A PC person thought they'd just landed on Mars or something.
|
|
|
|
It's amazing to watch MS-Dos grow and improve. Each improvement
|
|
makes it look more and more like Unix/OS9 or the Mac..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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-*-
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93324 17-AUG 23:07 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93320)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I thought of
|
|
when I read your last message. Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac. Can they
|
|
do that?" (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers." BTW, I've been
|
|
thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using my
|
|
nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't computers
|
|
fun? Bob (the original)
|
|
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|
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|
93329 18-AUG 01:02 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
> >>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it
|
|
> recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can
|
|
> actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go
|
|
> back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT?
|
|
> YES! Isn't that amazing?
|
|
>
|
|
> WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop
|
|
> computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for
|
|
> inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this
|
|
> right?
|
|
|
|
Yes, at least they said they would.. I guess if it weren't for Microsquish,
|
|
this amazing technology would never have seen the light of day...
|
|
|
|
> You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually
|
|
> run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME?
|
|
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I -KNEW- no one would believe me ... :-(
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> This is truly groundbreaking,
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> and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever
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> lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows
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> imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of
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> computing, Windows!
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Why surely. Judging from this, there is no equal.. <VBG>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
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93332 18-AUG 20:13 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
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From: JOHNREED To: WA2EGP
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> been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using
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> my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't
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> computers fun? Bob (the original)
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>
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Too Late, Bob,
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It was my understanding that Mircrosoft has already Copyrighted "Bob",
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YOU must either obtain a license or change your name. Sorry.
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(exit ducking and grinning)
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John
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-*-
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93336 19-AUG 02:02 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
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From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP
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> IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I
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> thought of
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> when I read your last message. Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac. Can
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> they do that?" (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers."
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I don't follow Doonesbury very closely. My favorites are Wizard and B.C.
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<G>
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> BTW, I've
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> been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using
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> my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't
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> computers fun? Bob (the original)
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I saw a neat "press release from Microsoft" about BOB. Did it come
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through here? If not, I can post it. It tells what they will permit
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in people's names etc. It was kinda neat.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93341 19-AUG 22:46 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315)
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From: WDTV5 To: THETAURUS
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Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that
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tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny
|
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if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee,
|
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whatzit, 13 years now?
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Cheers, Gene
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-*-
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93342 19-AUG 22:51 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
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From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP
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The "original" eh? Reminds me once of a conversation I had on the cow barn
|
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radio (CB) with a fellow that had been using the same handle I was using
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for several years. When he found out I was in fact first (1958) he sure
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changed handles in a hurry! Spose we could do that with Bill's stuff too?/
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Cheers, Gene
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-*-
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93344 20-AUG 00:20 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93332)
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From: WA2EGP To: JOHNREED
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I have prior use. Which was recognized by the government. So there!
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(This is all in jest guys)
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93345 20-AUG 00:22 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336)
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From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING
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Yeah. I saw it. A friend of mine emailed it to me. And, of couse, his name
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is Bob. (grin)
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93346 20-AUG 00:27 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93342)
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From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5
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Well, more original than their "Bob". In those days, a person who used
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another person's "handle" could result in a shooting! (At least in this area
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of the world) I think a better idea would be to treat it as an acronym and
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figure out what it means. Unforch, Deskmate doesn't fit. (Ooooh I'm gonna
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hear it for that one <g>)
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93347 20-AUG 00:35 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93346)
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From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP
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Seems I recall a mate that fit on a desk once 8:) Maybe several times.
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Cheers, Gene
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93355 20-AUG 12:34 General Information
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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Hi Dave,
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If I am not too mistaken, I think I posted such a message here right
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|
after Bob was released. Saw it in one of the computer publications
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here in San Diego and thought people here might enjoy reading it. I
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laughed so hard I fell out of my chair.
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By the way, does anyone know the pronunciation of BOB if it is
|
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spelled backwards? ;-)
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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-*-
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93365 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
|
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93345)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP (NR)
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> Yeah. I saw it. A friend of mine emailed it to me. And, of couse, his
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> name is Bob. (grin)
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I thought it was pretty neat. It amazes me what these computer types come
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up with satiring the big guys.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93367 20-AUG 23:35 General Information
|
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RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93341)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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|
|
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> Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that
|
|
> tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny
|
|
> if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee,
|
|
> whatzit, 13 years now?
|
|
|
|
Yeah, ain't it sad that we don't have a "superior" system like that?
|
|
|
|
I have always thought that OS9 is not for the novice, but there's a lady
|
|
here on our local BBS, who uses a PC. Every time she tries to install
|
|
-anything- it's a month-long process.
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|
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|
She tried to install WinCIM last week. I think one of her problems is
|
|
her so-called technician, but it won't even communicate with the modem.
|
|
I suspect the modem is set up for some oddball IRQ and Windows is not
|
|
set up right. Apparently when you get your BIOS, DOS, and whatever
|
|
set up, you then have to go in and tell dummy Windoze what you've done,
|
|
too.. It's too brain-dead to figure it out itself, I suppose.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
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93370 21-AUG 00:41 General Information
|
|
RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93367)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING (NR)
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I liked that signoff somebody had. "Windoze is NOT a virus, viruses
|
|
do something"
|
|
Cheers, Gene
|
|
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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|
93283 12-AUG 21:14 OSK Applications
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|
MM/1
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|
From: VAXELF To: WA2EGP
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|
|
|
BTW, the basic MM/1 CPU board has 3 serial ports on it. All three are
|
|
usable to 19200 baud. Only /t1 can not use hardware flow control. It only
|
|
has 2,3,& 7. You will need the I/O board to get /t3 & /t4. Those are good
|
|
to 38400 baud. the /t1 may be better suited to be used on a serial printer
|
|
since it is a basic serial port. you will need a cable and paddle board
|
|
to use it. David has both in stock. I think the set runs around $45.00
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
P.S. I use /t0 to run a MFJ1274 TNC , /t1 to a MFJ1278B. Work great. the
|
|
1274 is in KISS mode and runs OSK version of KA9Q.
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-*-
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|
93303 13-AUG 23:28 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: MM/1 (Re: Msg 93283)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
Yeah, most of the serials ports are partially brain-dead. I have already
|
|
ordered paddle boards for mine. 'bout time I get the 14.4 K modem hooked up
|
|
to it (had the darn thing for over a year) before it becomes obsolete. I
|
|
should get on packet again. Have a couple of old TNC-1/TNC-1 clones here.
|
|
Just partial to the 6809 (grin).
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|
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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|
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-*-
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|
93289 13-AUG 18:08 General Information
|
|
AR 1.4 for MSDOS
|
|
From: JMURPHY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I've uploaded a version of AR 1.4 ported over to MSDOS,
|
|
with Carl's permission. S. Turner did the original port,
|
|
I've recompiled it using Borland C.
|
|
|
|
Minimal online help is available. For
|
|
full docs, please see the COCO or OSK versions.
|
|
|
|
Any questions or complaints regarding this version should be directed
|
|
to me, JMURPHY, not Carl or Simmy.
|
|
|
|
Have fun!
|
|
|
|
John Murphy
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|
93290 13-AUG 18:41 General Information
|
|
Conference Update&Misc
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
|
|
I'm sorry about the somewhat long delay, but I am finally done
|
|
making the schedule for the Augest/September Latenight. For one, I
|
|
forgot the original date of the Atlanta conference that Newton and
|
|
I agreed on, because I didn't write it down on one of my 5 pieces
|
|
of scrap paper blowing around my desk<Grin> and it took me a while
|
|
to nail down the other major dates, but everything has panned out
|
|
and the schedule not only is ready(albeit 3 weeks late), but is a
|
|
good one too. The full schedule will be in the next post, and Mike
|
|
Rowen will, as usual, be posting it in his conference updates, but
|
|
I'll give you a quick rundown here. Our big one for the end of
|
|
September will be a conference on the Sculptor Database system
|
|
with the President of KD Associates, Kurt Johnson. The week before
|
|
that we will have our Atlanta prefest conference 'See You in
|
|
Atlanta' like we did last year. Again, Newton White of the Atlanta
|
|
Computer Society will be with us for the complete rundown.
|
|
Sidenote, make your reservations for the fest now, if you haven't
|
|
already. I don't know about the other publications but an ad in
|
|
the latest 'world of 68 micros' has all the details. Returning
|
|
will be Mike Rowen, the UG's VP of 6809 for a continuation of the
|
|
conference he had last month! And one more Biggie...Our 1 year
|
|
anniversary! Augest seems to be a good month for anniversaries, as
|
|
not only did Frank Swygert reach the 2 year goal with '268m', but
|
|
OS-9 Late Night will be celebrating it's first year. Augest is
|
|
definately a month to celebrate(and plan ahead to the next year!).
|
|
|
|
Tomorrow night(Monday, Augest 14), will be an Open Forum, so
|
|
please stop in, kick back, and teach me about OS-9!!!
|
|
|
|
Oh yeah, another note, to Dave Breeding and those of you helping
|
|
me out with my adventures in Basic09, I haven't forgotten you. I
|
|
do intend to get back to you with an update. I just haven't been
|
|
at the machine that much over the last week or two. Between work
|
|
and the fact that it seems my car engine is blown(it seems my
|
|
Olds has been spending too much time with Frank Swygert's
|
|
Rambler...), I've just been preoccupied. Hopefully I'll get a
|
|
little time with it tonight, and maybe will have some possible
|
|
solutions to some of this either tomorrow night or later this
|
|
week. I just didn't want to give the impression I was asking for
|
|
help then brushing the advice under a rug<grin>.
|
|
|
|
|
|
And since I'm rambling...I got the latest '268m' and agree with
|
|
James Jones. If going bimonthly will help Frank(and therefore
|
|
improve an already great magazine), I say go for it. It's only an
|
|
extra two weeks, which isn't much to ask. Since I have not only
|
|
the latest issue, but _Mastering OS-9_ and _Tandy's Little Wonder_
|
|
which I recently purchased from Farna, I have plenty of reading
|
|
material to keep me busy! All I have to do is send my renewal
|
|
in(rattle my cage in a couple weeks guys in case I forget<G>).
|
|
This was a good issue, and I'm glad to hear there are a lot of
|
|
people submitting articles. If you are writing articles for '268m'
|
|
or any OS-9 publication for that matter, KEEP IT UP! There is no
|
|
such thing as too many articles, and I hope to get a few in to
|
|
'268m' myself before starting college this fall.
|
|
|
|
Blackhawk and Whittman seem to be serious in pushing the latest
|
|
MM/1b machine, judging from the ads in the latest issue. Has
|
|
anyone purchased this yet? It seems like a good deal, tho at first
|
|
I didn't consider it, because I wanted a full blown regular MM/1,
|
|
or a System V(latter for Gwindows support), but lately it has been
|
|
looking like a good developers machine with a good price. If my car
|
|
problems aren't so serious(ie: it's not the engine but more of a
|
|
$200 problem, which is my preference<G>), I may consider using the
|
|
loan money on this instead, if I can count on Kwindows being
|
|
ported in the near future. That's a big if tho... :-/ If you own
|
|
one of these, I'd be interested in an owner's review of it,
|
|
similar to what David Breeding did in 268m with his System V.
|
|
|
|
See Ya
|
|
|
|
Chris Perrault
|
|
OS-9 Users' Group
|
|
Sourcebook Coordinator
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|
|
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|
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|
|
93291 13-AUG 18:44 General Information
|
|
Latenight Schedule
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night
|
|
Conference Schedual
|
|
For Augest AND September
|
|
|
|
Date Time(EST) Topic
|
|
|
|
Augest 7, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum
|
|
|
|
Augest 14, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum
|
|
|
|
Augest 21, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum
|
|
|
|
Augest 28, 1995 10:00 PM Happy Anniversary!
|
|
|
|
Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first
|
|
year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss
|
|
our anniversary get together, when we review the past year
|
|
and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what
|
|
is planned for the upcoming year!
|
|
|
|
September 4, 1995 10:00 PM OS-9 UG VP of 6809
|
|
|
|
Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike
|
|
Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns
|
|
to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so
|
|
much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9
|
|
community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little
|
|
way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU
|
|
can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us
|
|
with your own ideas!
|
|
|
|
September 11, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum
|
|
|
|
September 18, 1995 10:00 PM See You in Atlanta!
|
|
|
|
Newton White, from the Atlanta Computer Society will be
|
|
here to preview the upcoming Atlanta CocoFest(9/30,10/31).
|
|
If you want to know who will be there, how you can get
|
|
there, and what it's like to be at an Atlanta Cocofest, this
|
|
is the place to be. If you haven't registered to attend, do
|
|
so now!!
|
|
|
|
September 25, 1995 10:00 PM Sculptor W/KD Associates
|
|
|
|
Kurt Johnson, President of KD Associates will be here to
|
|
answer your questions about Sculptor, the highly touted OS-9
|
|
database that is used all over! Sculptor has been THE
|
|
database for OS-9 based systems for years now, and it is
|
|
flexible enough to be used for many different applications.
|
|
Kurt will discuss some of the possibilities as well as some
|
|
of the places and companies that currently use Sculptor,
|
|
such as NASA. Until recently when KD Associates began
|
|
running ads in the MOTD, Sculptor was hard to find and many
|
|
considered it an abandoned work. Now the word is out.
|
|
Sculptor is back and supported 100%, and we will learn more
|
|
about it right here, on OS-9 Late Night!
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93293 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: OSK C Bug (Re: Msg 92931)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: WRHAMBLEN (NR)
|
|
|
|
> The Microware C compiler release 3.2 running under OS-9/68000 release 2.4
|
|
> apparently has a problem with the ? operator and string constants. A
|
|
> line of code such as:
|
|
>
|
|
> s = flag ? "string1" : "string2"
|
|
>
|
|
> sometimes generates code with the wrong value for the pointer to a
|
|
> string constant. This caused me a bit of head-scratching. The work
|
|
> around is to avoid this construct or to use GCC.
|
|
|
|
Bud -
|
|
|
|
Right. I ran into this problem too when I ported the 'sc' spreadsheet.
|
|
(Gee, looking at my files, that was FOUR years ago now! How time flies.)
|
|
It meant I had to put "ifdef OSK" conditionals around quite a few
|
|
occurences in the port.
|
|
|
|
I haven't been bit by it for quite a while, and guess I started to pass
|
|
it off as being due to having received some pre-OS-9 V2.4 modules on my
|
|
master disks, and figured that the updates MAY have fixed this. But
|
|
you're not running an MM/1, are you? So this means that the problem
|
|
likely still remains in the final release, too. Probably I have just
|
|
been avoiding using the troublesome cases.
|
|
|
|
As I remember it, most code using the "?:" ternary operator works fine;
|
|
it was only with strings, and then mostly with compound embedded
|
|
statements that I encountered the problem.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
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|
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|
93295 13-AUG 19:22 Telecom (6809)
|
|
AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
> > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
|
|
> > telecommunications?
|
|
> > If I use the
|
|
> > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced
|
|
> > list.
|
|
>
|
|
> That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with
|
|
> OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
|
|
> want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
|
|
> until a true LF is sent.
|
|
|
|
Hi, David --
|
|
|
|
Thought I would add a bit of clarification. <g>
|
|
|
|
First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one.
|
|
OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and
|
|
will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode).
|
|
|
|
The default for either version of OSTerm would be to NOT enable automatic
|
|
linefeeds. Turning _on_ LFs (with either version) _only_ affects what is
|
|
sent to the display, and is intended to permit compatibility with hosts that
|
|
DON'T automatically send CRLF pairs after each line. In fact, it would be
|
|
a rare case where this configuration would be used, since most hosts
|
|
do send CRLF pairs, except when set for a special terminal emulation.
|
|
(That is, turning on the extra linefeeds should rarely be necessary.)
|
|
|
|
As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100
|
|
compatibility: "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that
|
|
a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF".
|
|
|
|
Fun, eh?
|
|
|
|
> There are a couple of solutions.
|
|
>
|
|
> 1. use a utility to strip out LF's
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> 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
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> 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't
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> work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
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> own linefeeds.
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Another option that I use is:
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4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer.
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Cheers... / Ken (finally catching up on my forum reading...)
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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93306 14-AUG 21:06 Telecom (6809)
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RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111) (Re: Msg 93295)
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From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
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My statement:
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> > That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with
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> > OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
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> > want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
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> > until a true LF is sent.
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> First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one.
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Right. I was, indeed, referring to the 6809 version. I am not familiar
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with the OSK version, since, AFAIK, there is no termcap version
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available. <sigh>
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> OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and
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> will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode).
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Two great features. The feature about stripping out the control sequences
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is really neat. A capture buffer is something that one often wishes to
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review. The linefeeds are, as we have resolved, not all that hard to
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work around, albeit just a little extra work, but the control sequences
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can be really messy. STerm strips out the ESC but leaves in the subsequent
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control characters.. makes for rather messy reading <G>
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> As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100
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> compatibility: "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that
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> a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF".
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>
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> Fun, eh?
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Well, it does make for completeness..
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BTW.. I have noticed one thing with a local BBS. I don't know how often
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you will encounter this, but on screen pause, it issues a prompt,
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kinda centered on the line, "Slap a key", FWIW... When you press your key,
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the BBS sends extra BS's, about 20 -30. About everything I have, both
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OSK and CoCo keep backspacing up into the previous line. Apparently most
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PC programs stop the backspace at the left margin, one program had the
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cursor "bumping" the left margin with the extra backspaces. Would this
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be too hard to implement? Or is this backspacing up into the previous
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line necessary for some applications?
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> > There are a couple of solutions.
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> >
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> > 1. use a utility to strip out LF's
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> > 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
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> > 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't
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> > work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
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> > own linefeeds.
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>
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> Another option that I use is:
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>
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> 4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer.
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Yep, used that one too, forgot to mention it, <G>
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Speaking of the various ways to skin a cat... we can surely get him
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skinned here, can't we.
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Good to hear from you Ken. This is some more good news on OSTerm. The
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only better thing I could hear would be the appearance of a termcap or
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G-Windows version <hint><hint>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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93299 13-AUG 22:48 General Information
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help
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From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
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Hi All,
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I hate to ask this twice, but about 3 weeks ago I asked if
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anyone knew where
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I could get a 6309 chip because mine is toast. Well someone
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gave me a list
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of several address, and I have lost them. I would appreciate it
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if that person
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or someone else could give me that list again.
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Thanks,
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Bob
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93300 13-AUG 22:58 General Information
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RE: help (Re: Msg 93299)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: ROBERT84
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Bob,
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Since your address list was posted in a forum message, it is still in the
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message base. You just need to find it again. The message you seek is #93189.
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I found it by doing a selective read, starting at 92500 (which, at current
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posting rates, is probably six months old). "read 92500+ to ROBERT84". The
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first one up is the correct one.
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Try *that* with this new-n-improved GUI. :>
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Randy
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End of Thread.
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93308 14-AUG 21:24 General Information
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The New AT306
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From: BOISY To: ALL
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With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd
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like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its potential.
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While realizing that the AT306 won't launch the fifth dynasty of the
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personal OS-9 community, it is still an excellent introductory OS-9 machine,
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and I'm excited to be a part of the development team.
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The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to start
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over and do things right. I think the low cost of this board will make it
|
|
a popular item. We can take the experience and mistakes that we
|
|
learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more
|
|
versatile machine.
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Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1:
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- COST
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For around $400, you get the 68306 board. For another
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$50, you can purchase a case and power supply for it. Add $30
|
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for a cheap AT keyboard, $40 for a 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive,
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and $70 for two 1MB SIMMs for a total of 2MB. Using a CoCo
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as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under $600
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- PC AT BUS
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Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting
|
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after for years. Internal modems, VGA cards, sound cards,
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game cards, super duper I/O cards. You name it, and it will
|
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probably work.
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- VGA, VGA and VGA
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Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye. Kiss that damn
|
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interlace goodbye. Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high
|
|
high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling
|
|
that doesn't eat the CPU. I've seen the hardware text scrolling on
|
|
the 306. In one word: F-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-S-T.
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- AT KEYBOARDS
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Recall that the MM/1 only uses XT keyboards which are getting
|
|
harder and harder to find. Plus, in my experience, one out of every
|
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two XT keyboards I've tried with the MM/1 doesn't work, narrowing the
|
|
choices that much more.
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The AT306 uses an AT keyboard. Hallelujah! Again, I can go
|
|
to (insert favorite local computer superstore here) and pick
|
|
up the latest AT keyboard/mouse/calculator/keypad and know that
|
|
it will work fine on the AT306.
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|
- NO MORE PADDLE BOARDS
|
|
Amen and amen again! Not only does the AT306 come with FOUR
|
|
serial ports standard (two 68681 variants, and two high-throughput
|
|
16550s), but all that's needed is a 10pin dual row header connector
|
|
going to a DB-9 or DB-25 connector, mounted to the back of the PC
|
|
chassis.
|
|
|
|
- I CAN MOUNT IT IN A PC CASE
|
|
This board is designed for a Baby AT case, and just "drops in."
|
|
I don't have to break out the drill and bits, align (and mis-align),
|
|
or fill my case with unwanted holes.
|
|
|
|
- AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
|
|
IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
|
|
readily available and pretty fast too. 4x IDE CD-ROM drives
|
|
are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones. Cheap tape backup
|
|
solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc)
|
|
|
|
- MEMORY
|
|
You can go up to 64MB with the AT306, as opposed to the 11MB
|
|
of the MM/1.
|
|
|
|
- K-WINDOWS... NOT!
|
|
Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how
|
|
not to write a windowing system. Let's not be bitter: I'm not knocking
|
|
|
|
Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is
|
|
too tied to old methods and ideas. It's fine for the MM/1. In my
|
|
opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is. But the 306 has the
|
|
potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and
|
|
G-Windows without a hitch. As a community, we should rally around one
|
|
of these graphical environments.
|
|
|
|
|
|
There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't: DMA.
|
|
I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so
|
|
as to keep the price down. Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm
|
|
not all that concerned about the lack of DMA.
|
|
|
|
My AT306 comes in on Wednesday. Once I have it up and running, I'll post
|
|
my impressions here on the forum.
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|
--
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|
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
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|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
|
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I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|
|
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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93316 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
|
|
RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
>>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306,
|
|
MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this
|
|
machine and it's potential.<<
|
|
|
|
Thanks for this post Boisy, and also for the information you
|
|
shared on this on last Monday's OS-9 Late Night. Before learning
|
|
more about the machine and why KWindows was dropped for this in
|
|
favor of MGR, I had assumed it was just simply an attempt at a
|
|
cheaper MM/1, with little expandability and future potential. From
|
|
the details you shared, I was dead wrong. Not only does it appear
|
|
more expandable then the MM/1, it appears to have a more overall
|
|
sound hardware design that is at the same time, current. Also, it
|
|
now appears MGR is actually a plus to have rather than just what I
|
|
thought was a cheap attempt to replace Kwindows. Not only is it a
|
|
more current windowing system(going by your post. I'm not
|
|
experienced with either), but it should be less expensive to add
|
|
to a system and port as it isn't a commercial product, plus there
|
|
should already be an existing software base for this GUI. This
|
|
already makes the machine much more marketable outside the Coco
|
|
community. If only we get a few new apps written for the new
|
|
platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software
|
|
base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able
|
|
to carve a nitch. Here's hoping at least half the people attending
|
|
Atlanta Fest walks out with one of these boards. Now to address
|
|
another issue...
|
|
|
|
>>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under
|
|
$600.<<
|
|
|
|
Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is
|
|
there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a
|
|
desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as
|
|
a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA. Since
|
|
MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board
|
|
or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-)
|
|
|
|
I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm
|
|
real excited about this too!
|
|
|
|
See Ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
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93326 18-AUG 01:01 General Information
|
|
RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
> With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd
|
|
> like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its
|
|
> potential.
|
|
|
|
> The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to
|
|
> start over and do things right. I think the low cost of this board will
|
|
> make it a popular item. We can take the experience and mistakes that we
|
|
> learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more
|
|
> versatile machine.
|
|
>
|
|
> Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1:
|
|
|
|
> - PC AT BUS
|
|
> Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting
|
|
> after for years.
|
|
|
|
This is a great feature. The only drawback in choosing a card is the
|
|
fact that you need a driver. I wonder if the same driver would work
|
|
for the PT/Delmar systems. If this be the case, this would enhance
|
|
the choices immensely. The AT306 could use drivers already written
|
|
for these and there would no doubt be people in the 306 side who would
|
|
want to write drivers that don't yet exist. But this might be wishful
|
|
thinking on my part.
|
|
|
|
> - VGA, VGA and VGA
|
|
> Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye. Kiss that damn
|
|
> interlace goodbye. Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high
|
|
> high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling
|
|
> that doesn't eat the CPU.
|
|
|
|
Yes, and VGA monitors are easy to find. In addition to that, if you have
|
|
to buy a new 15KHz, a 14" costs almost as much as a 15" SVGA monitor.
|
|
|
|
Of course, if you get G-Windows running, you might want a 17". With
|
|
small fonts, you can get 4 full 80x24 screens displayed in full at the
|
|
same time. You can do this with a 15" or 14", too, but they are just a
|
|
little bit tiny <G>
|
|
|
|
|
|
> - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
|
|
> IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
|
|
> readily available and pretty fast too. 4x IDE CD-ROM drives
|
|
> are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones. Cheap tape backup
|
|
> solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc)
|
|
|
|
I have IDE and am totally thrilled with it.
|
|
|
|
> - K-WINDOWS... NOT!
|
|
> Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how
|
|
> not to write a windowing system. Let's not be bitter: I'm not knocking
|
|
> Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is
|
|
> too tied to old methods and ideas. It's fine for the MM/1. In my
|
|
> opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is. But the 306 has the
|
|
> potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and
|
|
>
|
|
> G-Windows without a hitch. As a community, we should rally around one
|
|
> of these graphical environments.
|
|
|
|
I'm hoping for G-Windows <G>. This is what I have and I really hope to see
|
|
one common graphics interface come to the front, and of course you know
|
|
what I am hoping for.
|
|
|
|
> There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't: DMA.
|
|
> I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so
|
|
> as to keep the price down. Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm
|
|
> not all that concerned about the lack of DMA.
|
|
|
|
Well, that is one thing I would liked to have had on mine. The HD is so fast,
|
|
it presents no problem, but if you are trying to work with the floppy,
|
|
say format, or copy the whole disk, you just as well hang it up. In
|
|
this respect, I think the original HALT CoCo gave you more chances to
|
|
get something sandwiched in <G>
|
|
|
|
But, as you say, with all the other advantages, I'm not going to cry over
|
|
mine, and I'm sure you can get around it with the 306.
|
|
|
|
> My AT306 comes in on Wednesday. Once I have it up and running, I'll post
|
|
> my impressions here on the forum.
|
|
|
|
I'm looking forward to hearing about it myself.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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93327 18-AUG 01:01 General Information
|
|
RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93316)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
> >>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306,
|
|
> MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this
|
|
> machine and it's potential.<<
|
|
|
|
> If only we get a few new apps written for the new
|
|
> platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software
|
|
> base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able
|
|
> to carve a nitch.
|
|
|
|
Well, I'm certain all Termcap-based software will be a shoe-in, and
|
|
there's a tremendous database for this out there. They may not be
|
|
as "fancy" as the windows-based apps, but they work.
|
|
|
|
> Now to address
|
|
> another issue...
|
|
>
|
|
> >>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under
|
|
> $600.<<
|
|
>
|
|
> Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is
|
|
> there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a
|
|
> desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as
|
|
> a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA.
|
|
|
|
Well, from the description, it is only a matter of writing a driver
|
|
for some video board. I'm sure someone has written one for -some-
|
|
board. I suspect what he meant was that you could get up and running
|
|
if you didn't want to purchase a board and monitor right away. Going
|
|
back to what I said above, all you'd have to do to run termcap-based
|
|
software would be to setenv TERM COCO. It would work perfectly.
|
|
|
|
> Since
|
|
> MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board
|
|
> or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-)
|
|
|
|
I would prefer to have it as you call it a 'real' computer, but still,
|
|
if you wanted to get started on a budget, you'd have a really neat
|
|
setup with the coco term. Where you'd see the difference would be
|
|
when you unzipped a 200K file or the like.
|
|
|
|
> I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm
|
|
> real excited about this too!
|
|
|
|
As I told Boisy, I am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with,
|
|
myself. This should prove quite interesting.
|
|
|
|
As you said, this might expand our userbase significantly.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
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93343 19-AUG 22:56 General Information
|
|
RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93326)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that
|
|
for the life of me, I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use
|
|
one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more
|
|
dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel
|
|
port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop captures
|
|
cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to the drive!
|
|
Major pain in the drain that.
|
|
Cheers, Gene
|
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93357 20-AUG 17:09 General Information
|
|
RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
|
|
From: EDELMAR To: BOISY (NR)
|
|
|
|
Boisy,
|
|
|
|
Some comments regarding your messages re the AT306.
|
|
|
|
In message #93308 you state -
|
|
|
|
> The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to
|
|
> start over and do things right. ....
|
|
|
|
This opportunity existed from the time the SYSTEM IV was introduced in
|
|
Atlanta - the same time the MM/1 was shown publicly. Prior to the intro-
|
|
duction of the SYSTEM IV, this opportunity existed with the K1 and K2
|
|
boards from Peripheral Technology.
|
|
|
|
You continue outlining the advantages of the AT306 vs the MM/1. I won't
|
|
get into a long discourse of your points. Suffice it to say that most of
|
|
the advantages you outlined have been available to this community for many
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years with the IV. Many in the community have purchased and are quite
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satisfied with their IVs. Others have upgraded to the SYSTEM V.
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I do question one statement you made -
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> - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
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> IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
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> readily available and pretty fast too.
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Neither tests we have run, tests published in several of the PC magazines
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nor tests by several of the VME hardware manufacturers substantiate such a
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statement. If you pick and choose test results, you can prove either is
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faster. My experience is that a greater variation exists between drive
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manufacturers and models. The SCSI and IDE versions of a given drive will
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produce about the same results. SCSI-2 and SCSI-FAST are intended to be
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faster and there are drive/scsi boards/driver combinations available for
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MSDOS that do come close to expectations. However, I've yet to see or hear
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of anyone demonstrating these advantages under OS-9. In message #93318
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you did express surprise at the performance of your IDE drive <g>.
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In message #93318 you listed some dhrystone results which I found somewhat
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baffling.
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> Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations:
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> MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4395
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> MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229
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> AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 4239
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In Atlanta, when the SYSTEM IV was introduced, Kevin Pease asked if
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he could run his dhrystone program on the IV. He stated the MM/1 ran at
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about 1000 for 50000 passes. (This is Dhrystone Version 1.0 - I have a copy.)
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The SYSTEM IV (16 Mhz 68000) came in at 1666 for 50000 passes. If we
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'normalize' and use the MM/1 results as a base, (1666/1000 = x/3229) under
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Version 2.1 the SYSTEM IV will come in at about 5380. The difference in
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performance is primarily due to the microcode Signetics was forced to use
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when the licensing agreement with Motorola expired. There is a small
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difference (around 6%) due to the different clock speeds.
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A couple of years later when I introduced the SYSTEM V in Chicago, Kevin had
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a 68040 machine he was showing. He ran some dhrystone tests on his machine,
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the IV and the V. The V was running at 25 MHz, the IV at 16 MHz and, as I
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recall, his 68040 was running at 40 MHz. He had a different version of
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dhrystone (which I don't have). Anyway, the results were almost directly
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proportional to the respective clock speeds. I don't have the exact numbers
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but as I recall, the IV came in around 5000, the V around 8000 and his
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68040 was around 13000.
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Since the MM/1a and the AT306 are using Motorola chips, we should expect
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the microcode to be comparable to that used in the 68000. With this in
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mind, I would expect differences to be mainly due to the different clock
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speeds. Thus, I would expect results something like the following -
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MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229 (reference)
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MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4670 (5380 X 13.89/16)
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AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 5605 (5380 X 16.67/16)
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So it appears the version of dhrystones you are using is understating the
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performance of the AT306 and MM/1a. (I never did think much of the dhrystone
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test.) If you like, I can send you a copy of the dhrystones program I have
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or, if you prefer, send me a copy of the one you are using and I'll run tests
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on the IV and V.
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Two features of the AT306 I like are the 16 bit bus expansion slots
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and the use of 16550 serial chips. I am waiting for my AT306 from Carl.
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He said it would be another 2 weeks - supposed to be the first production
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board. Early on my agenda is a port of G-WINDOWS. So, the AT306 will have
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at least one full fledged windowing/gfx package. Carl also stated no
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port of K-Windows was planned but he was going to finish MGR.
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Keep reporting your experiences - I think we all find them interesting.
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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93364 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
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RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93343)
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From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
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> David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that
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> for the life of me,
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The one on my Sys 5 doesn't, or I assume the IDE doesn't. The floppy
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doesn't. However, I do not lose any characters with HD capture using
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a 14.4 modem and 38400 serial speed. But read on down.
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I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use
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> one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more
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> dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel
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> port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop
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> captures cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to
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> the drive! Major pain in the drain that.
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Yes, it is. I must say that my coco with the SC II is much more pleasant
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to use with the floppy than my Sys 5. However, it seems that the HD
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is fast enough to take care of things.
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I did modify STerm to the effect that instead of sending XOFF on save to
|
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disk, I changed it to drop CTS (or RTS). I haven't tried it with floppy
|
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capture, but maybe it will work, too.
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Actually, the serial drivers should be modified to do automatic hardware
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flow control. I modified mine to do this, also. What I did was pretty
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crude, but now rarely see anything that looks like a glitch in transmission.
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I never see any errors in zmodem transfers, either (knock on wood).
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93369 21-AUG 00:39 General Information
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RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93364)
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From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING (NR)
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unforch, the drivers source isn't available, and I've not found a disasm
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for it that actually works yet, at least not near as well as the ones we
|
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have for the coco. Pity. I just fiddled with a bunch of the options, and
|
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altho I did get a 1.2 meg/sec plus write speed, thats not going to help.
|
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When it shuts to irq's off to write to the disk, all hell breaks loose
|
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in the relativly unbuffered seriel ports, nobody has seen fit to make
|
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us a board that uses the 16550 yet.
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Cheers, Gene
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End of Thread.
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93310 15-AUG 20:51 General Information
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Ride
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From: REVWCP To: ALL
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Dear Friends:
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Is anyone in the Chicago area planning on driving to the Atlanta
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Fest, and if so, would you like to share the ride with a monk.
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I'll help pay for gas, tolls, etc.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+
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+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
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+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
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+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
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+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-*-
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93311 15-AUG 20:52 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($)
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Hershey Fonts
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From: REVWCP To: ALL
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Dear friends:
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Does anyone have a copy of the April 1988 Issue of Rainbow on Disk?
|
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There was an article by Wm. Barden on the Hershey fonts that I am
|
|
interested in. I have the issue of Rainbow, and there appears to
|
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be an error in one line of the code. I need to see if they fixed
|
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the error was on the Rainbow Disk.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
+: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+
|
|
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
|
|
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
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+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
|
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+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
|
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-*-
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93312 15-AUG 23:49 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($)
|
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RE: Hershey Fonts (Re: Msg 93311)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: REVWCP
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|
I don't happen to have it in front of me, but one item you might try
|
|
is to substitute any characters you think are ell's for one's and vise-versa.
|
|
I've had that bite me in Rainbow code as published more than once. It
|
|
was often printed on an old DMP printer that used the same EXACT character
|
|
for both an ell and a one. FYI I have a disk or 2 full of the Hershey Font
|
|
for the Amiga, if you are interested, I'll convert the lf's to cr's and
|
|
send it along some eveniing. Its big though! Seems I recall its on 2
|
|
of the amiga 880k 3.5" disks right now. You might even wander around
|
|
in their database here and see if you can get it direct, that version of
|
|
lha is compatible with the coco version.
|
|
Cheers Brother Jeremy, Gene
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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|
|
93313 16-AUG 12:33 General Information
|
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CONFERENCE NOTICE
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
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|
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POSTED: 16 Aug 95
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|
|
|
HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
|
|
EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required):
|
|
|
|
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
// DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
///////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Monday, 21 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Forum
|
|
Monday, 28 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Happy Anniversary for OS-9 Late Night!
|
|
Monday, 4 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Chat with VP of OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users group
|
|
Monday, 11 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Open Forum
|
|
Monday, 18 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Upcoming Atlanta Fest
|
|
Monday, 25 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - KD Associates discussing Sculptor dbase
|
|
|
|
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
// GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
//////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
Coco Real Time Conference
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET
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|
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|
////////////////////////////
|
|
// IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
|
|
////////////////////////////
|
|
|
|
OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
Sunday, 10 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : OS-9 Users group projects
|
|
Sunday, 24 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
|
|
|
|
|
|
---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
|
|
Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?
|
|
|
|
If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
|
|
other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
|
|
at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mike Rowen
|
|
VP OS-9/6809
|
|
OS-9 Users Group
|
|
mrowen01@delphi.com
|
|
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|
|
93317 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
|
|
OS-9 Late Night
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
|
|
Here is a review and reminder. Last Monday night's Late Night,
|
|
which was an Open Forum was great. When I got in, Boisy was
|
|
already there talking about the new At306 computer he just
|
|
ordered(not to himself,but others of course<G>). I learned a lot
|
|
about this computer and found a lot of my initial reservations
|
|
about the machine were moot and the truth it, at $400 for the
|
|
board, this is one impressive machine, and I can't wait to get it
|
|
in my hands myself. Check out his post here if you haven't
|
|
already. And I hope, for those of you selling the machine who
|
|
might be reading this, that you promote this product aggresively,
|
|
and in many different areas. This has great potential, and if as
|
|
Boisy said people get behind it, could be our big break as far as
|
|
getting new users and building on the software base that has
|
|
already begun to grow a bit. I hope this machine eventually makes
|
|
it into General computer shows across the country as well as OS-9
|
|
and Coco based shows.
|
|
|
|
Now, next Monday will be another Open Forum. I hope many of you
|
|
show up so we can have another good conference like the last one.
|
|
Don't forget, the conference on Augest 28th will be our 1 year
|
|
annivesary celebration, do let's make this a biggie! Car
|
|
dealerships are already planning the big celebration sales :-)
|
|
|
|
On September 4th, Mike Rowen who is the OS-9 Users' Group Vice
|
|
President of 6809 users will be back to discuss issues related the
|
|
OS-9 Level II and activities going on within the UG. If you are
|
|
interested in the UG, want to volunteer to work on UG activities,
|
|
or have any comments or ideas, please be on hand for this.
|
|
|
|
Check the conference banner for complete details on the upcoming
|
|
conferences as there is a lot going on in the upcoming months!
|
|
|
|
See Ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
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|
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|
|
93318 17-AUG 00:01 General Information
|
|
The new AT306 -- Impressions
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
As I expected, my AT306 arrived today from Kreider Electronics.
|
|
|
|
It has gone beyond my expectations. Awesome. I stand amazed at the work
|
|
that has gone into the hardware and the software. But on to more objective
|
|
notes.
|
|
|
|
My AT306 is currently in a mid-tower case. It has 8MB of RAM currently,
|
|
a 200MB IDE Conner Hard drive, and a 1.44MB floppy. My MM/1 is currently
|
|
acting as a terminal to the machine. I have a VGA (Trident 8900) card
|
|
plugged in, but no VGA monitor as of yet. Perhaps tomorrow...
|
|
|
|
After getting the board out of the packing material, I examined it closely.
|
|
It looked compact and well designed, with lots of thought to the PC case
|
|
environment. Placing it in the mid tower case and mounting was a piece of
|
|
cake. Four plastic mounts, two metal standoffs, two screws, and the board
|
|
was resting solidly on the side of the case.
|
|
|
|
Plugging PS8 and PS9 to the board was easy and straightforward. Following
|
|
the thorough and excellent documentation, I had my hard drive and floppy
|
|
hooked up, and my 8MB SIMMs (2 4MBx80ns) installed in no time. Booting
|
|
from floppy, I was able to format my IDE hard drive, install an OS-9 boot
|
|
file on it, and subsequently boot from the hard drive.
|
|
|
|
Rombug comes standard with this machine, which is a nice touch. It's
|
|
a great tool for system development, especially for drivers. I was able
|
|
to control whether or not Rombug would come up via a DIP switch block on
|
|
the motherboard.
|
|
|
|
Folks, this board looks just like a little PC, except there's a Motorola
|
|
processor on it. The one AT card I put in (VGA) slid into place without
|
|
a hitch. Great work on getting alignment to work with standard PC cases!
|
|
|
|
Benchmarks
|
|
Once the AT306 was up and running, I was eager to do some benchmarking
|
|
|
|
to see how well it held up to my MM/1a and Joel's MM/1. Here are some
|
|
timings:
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations:
|
|
|
|
MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4395
|
|
MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229
|
|
AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 4239
|
|
|
|
|
|
As you can see, the AT306 is very close to the 68340 in speed, and way over
|
|
a stock MM/1. I was surprised to find that it ran so fast. Very impressive
|
|
indeed. The speed gain over the 68070 alone makes this machine a worthy
|
|
price competitor.
|
|
|
|
|
|
I also benchmarked disk speed with a program called 'timeio'. I only
|
|
have results for the MM/1a and AT306, not the MM/1:
|
|
|
|
MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340, Quantum 240MB SCSI HD): 840K/bytes per second
|
|
AT306 (16.67MHz 68306, Conner 200MB IDE HD): 1.35MB per second
|
|
|
|
|
|
This result really surprised me. In spite of the MM/1a having SCSI DMA,
|
|
the AT306 _without_ DMA showed a remarkable improvement in disk access.
|
|
|
|
|
|
At this point, I'm still setting up the system to my liking. I'll report
|
|
more as it happens.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93319 17-AUG 00:56 General Information
|
|
Bunk with a Monk
|
|
From: REVWCP To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Dear friends:
|
|
|
|
I have a room that I will be willing to share at the NorthLake
|
|
Holiday Inn, site of the Atlanta CoCofest. Let me know if you
|
|
want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother Jeremy."
|
|
|
|
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
+: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+
|
|
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
|
|
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
|
|
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
|
|
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
|
|
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
93322 17-AUG 21:45 General Information
|
|
RE: Bunk with a Monk (Re: Msg 93319)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: REVWCP
|
|
|
|
>>Let me know if you want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother
|
|
Jeremy."
|
|
|
|
LOL, this almost guarrentees a spot of Sally Jesse Rapheal!
|
|
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
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End of Thread.
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|
-*-
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|
|
93323 17-AUG 23:02 OSK Applications
|
|
SYQuest 555
|
|
From: ADITNAVEL To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Howdy all!
|
|
|
|
I Just got hold of a Syquest 555 for a good price and I was wondering
|
|
if anyone had set up up before in their OSK machine. Currently I have an
|
|
MM/1, and I've tentatively compiled a descriptor up, but was wndering if
|
|
there i anything I specifically need to wathc out for?
|
|
I've set the the driver kind to HRemov, and set the PD_Cntl Bit 2 (as
|
|
stated in the MM/! tech maunal). If anyone has any comment or set one of these
|
|
things up on an MM/1 before I'll appreciate any info you could give me.
|
|
|
|
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
Dean
|
|
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|
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93325 17-AUG 23:50 General Information
|
|
More AT306 -- VGA
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I couldn't wait. Today I went out and purchased a VGA monitor for the
|
|
AT306. 15" Sony Trinitron, great picture, and OS-9 characters never
|
|
looked so good.
|
|
|
|
Currently I'm logged into through /t0 (the sc68306 serial port) and
|
|
talking to my US Robotics modem at 57600 baud with no missing characters.
|
|
Thanks to the 16550, we're cooking.
|
|
|
|
The work done on the VGA console interface is amazing. I currently
|
|
have 8 virtual consoles open. I wrote a simple color utility to send
|
|
out ANSI color escape sequences based on color names, and color
|
|
seems to be working great.
|
|
|
|
The NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock lights track the VC (virtual
|
|
console) as I flip throuh them w/ ALT/F1 to ALT/F12. Scrolling
|
|
text is a tone faster on here than on the MM/1.
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
93334 18-AUG 21:34 General Information
|
|
Alpha testers needed for FMV adventure g
|
|
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
|
|
|
|
|
|
Yes folks! The "game with no name" is in full swing! However, those bugs
|
|
can take time to kill. Testers with 070s and 030s are needed.
|
|
|
|
You must be able to keep the game to yourself. I don't want it shown to
|
|
user groups or sent to others to test. Testers must have experiance with
|
|
debugging data/logic errors. Some testers will be given pieces of source code.
|
|
|
|
System requirements: MM/1 with I/O board and 68070 or 68030 and HD.
|
|
|
|
Kwin 53 or higher also required.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Send Email to DIGIGRADE or DIGIGRADE@AOL.COM
|
|
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|
|
|
Dave
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|
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-*-
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|
|
93359 20-AUG 21:16 General Information
|
|
RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93334)
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From: THETAURUS To: DIGIGRADE
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Hi David. About the game, I can't be a beta tester, but I just
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wanted to say good luck with the game. I hope it turns out winner
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and am looking forward to it's release!
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Btw, depending on how the sales turn out withing the next few
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months on the AT-306 machines, especially at Atlanta Fest, you
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might want to consider trying an MGR based version of the game,if
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you can get your hands on MGR or an AT-306.
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Btw, does anyone know if MGR is available for Intel machines?
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See Ya
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Chris Perrault
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OS-9 User's Group
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Sourcebook Coordinator
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93368 20-AUG 23:44 General Information
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RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359)
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From: DIGIGRADE To: THETAURUS (NR)
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Hi Chris. You could still do some C debugging if you could. I know you
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are fair at debugging. Have you learned C yet? ^ I mean, if you
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would.
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I must say that I wouldn't be looking forward so much to development of
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this game if it weren't for Kwindows buttons. Making hot spots or detecting
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your own hot spots is so hard to create the rooms and test them. This way I
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can see if the buttons are there and see that their working. Easily. Does
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MGR have similar buttons?
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I'm sorry, but what is an AT-306. Am I really that out of touch? :)
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Dave
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93371 21-AUG 09:42 General Information
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RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359)
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From: JIMDIXON To: THETAURUS (NR)
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Chris:
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Well, MGR seems to be available for Linux. At least there's an MGR
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directory on tsx-11.mit.edu and sunsite.unc.edu in their Linux directories.
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So yes, if you want to run a Unix system, MGR is available for the Intel
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machines.
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James Dixon
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End of Thread.
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93335 18-AUG 22:52 General Information
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PC
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From: CLTUCKER To: ALL
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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET THE INFO TO RUN THE COCO3 ON THE PC?(G)
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CL
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93338 19-AUG 17:39 OSK Applications
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GZip
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From: DOMM To: ALL
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Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK?
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---Dom
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93340 19-AUG 21:40 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338)
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From: JOHNBAER To: DOMM
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Don't think that I saw one for Level 2... I just did a Ident
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on my mm/1 for gzip.. 82466 bytes. Don't know _if_ it can be
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made to fit in the 64K block space...
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Plus, gzip wants a data size of 336K, and a stack of 28K.
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I hope someone else can answer your question.
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John -
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93348 20-AUG 00:41 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93340)
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From: DOMM To: JOHNBAER
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John---
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Thanks for the info. I guess I'll just forget about it then.
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I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz"
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Actually, I don't think I could have used this anyway.
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Just curious. <G>
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---Dom
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93349 20-AUG 11:21 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93348)
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From: JOHNBAER To: DOMM
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> I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz"
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Well, let me know if you want this and I'll break it for you.
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It would also help if you told me where the file is :)
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Later
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John-
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93353 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338)
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From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
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> Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK?
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As JOHNBAER pointed out, it appears that it might ber hard to get
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GZip to fit into a 64-K address space.
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Do you need GZip for any special purpose? For dloads from chestnut,
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etc? Perhaps if you don't need to use it a big lot, just occasional
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uses, if you don't have access to an OSK machine, you might be able to
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download what you need, email it to an OSK user, and have it put in
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lha or ZIP format.
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BTW, you don't need GZip for files in zip format, either the OS9 files
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or those created by PKZip, you need "plain" zip.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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93356 20-AUG 13:27 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353)
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From: MITHELEN To: DOMM
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Also... on the FTP note... if you leave offthe ".gz" (or .Z) extension, most
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(if not all) FTP servers will un-compress the file on the fly as it sends it
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to you.
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--
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Paul
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93361 20-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93349)
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From: DOMM To: JOHNBAER
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John---
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> ...let me know....I'll break it down...
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Thanks, but I think this file is a bit much (size:484224)
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(I don't think I can use it anyhow)
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It's a cross compiler (C) I guess. I don't know anything about
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it or about anything "C". Thats why I was looking at it.
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If you want to check it out for yourself however:
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http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/interests/gcc_6809.tar.gz
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(just for the file)
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OR:
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http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/ (then look for #16)
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Thanks again for the offer!
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---Dom
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93362 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353)
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From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
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David---
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> Do you need GZip for any special purpose...
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This is the first time I had to check into it.
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I suppose I'll be running into it again somewhere.
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Thanks.
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---Dom
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93363 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications
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RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93356)
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From: DOMM To: MITHELEN
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Paul---
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> ...if you leave off the ".gz" ......most..servers will un-compress...
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Thanks for the advice. I tried it on this file, however, and all I
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got was a 161 byte file prepared. (484224 size file normally)
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Sounds handy though.
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Thanks.
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---Dom
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End of Thread.
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93350 20-AUG 11:22 General Information
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Inet by Mail
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From: JOHNBAER To: ALL
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For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc
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by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database.
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I see it's available now.
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John -
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93366 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
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RE: Inet by Mail (Re: Msg 93350)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER (NR)
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> For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc
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> by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database.
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> I see it's available now.
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I got it. Haven't looked at it yet, but expect it to be quite informative.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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End of Thread.
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93358 20-AUG 21:16 General Information
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Conference Reminder
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From: THETAURUS To: ALL
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Augest 21, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum
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Tomorrow's conference will be another Open Forum, and hopefully
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it will be as good as last weeks. Last week Boisy discussed at
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length(while still only scratching the surface ;-) ), the features
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of the new OS9 based machine, the AT-306 which is now making it's
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way onto the OS-9 Market in the form of the MM/1B from Blackhawk
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and the WCP-306 from Whittman Computer Enterprises. Hopefully
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we'll be able to get a similar topic going to keep things
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interesting(Of course Boisy is always free to come back and let us
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in on what else he has learned since getting his machine...hint
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hint<Grin>
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Also, here's what's coming up in the next two weeks to come!
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Augest 28, 1995 10:00 PM Happy Anniversary!
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Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first
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year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss
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our anniversary get together, when we review the past year
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and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what
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is planned for the upcoming year!
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September 4, 1995 10:00 PM OS-9 UG VP of 6809
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Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike
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Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns
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to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so
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much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9
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community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little
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way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU
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can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us
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with your own ideas!
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See Ya
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Chris Perrault
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OS-9 User's Group
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Sourcebook Coordinator
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93360 20-AUG 21:22 Users Group
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Sourcebook User Form
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From: THETAURUS To: ALL
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The following is going to be the Entry form for the OS-9 UG's Sourcebook
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. This is the form for users to send in and you can do so by sending
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it to be at my address "Thetaurus". Keep in mind, you do NOT have to be
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a member of the OS-9 Users' Group in order to have your name added, so
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if you haven't send your form in yet, now is the time to do it.
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OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form
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Would you like information on
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joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No
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Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No
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Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No
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projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment.
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Please indicate your area(s) of interest:
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o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000
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o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________
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You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose:
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o personal use o industrial system o both
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Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s):
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Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience:
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Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the
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UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments:
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