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90839 29-NOV 00:05 System Modules (6809)
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RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90835)
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From: WDTV5 To: DONALDS
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Yup, thats the blob allright. Try the idea I just wrote up in your mailbox.
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It assumes you have ezgen though. If not, then you'll have to dEd it using
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the 'd'iddle function, and os9gen a new one that way. Slower, but it should
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work. Just don't forget to 'v' after you 'd'iddle it one byte longer each
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time. For that, I think I'd make 4 copies, each a byte longer and just edit
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the os9gen file(source list).
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Cheers, Gene
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90848 30-NOV 00:46 System Modules (6809)
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RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90825)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WDTV5 (NR)
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yes RBF 33 is working great. I had formatted the drives 8 sector clusters
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prior to that and used edition 28 of RBF. for some reason with the older
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RBF the second hard disk had a megaread of 28 seconds even though the
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two hard disks are identical. with RBF 33 both are down to 18 seconds
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90850 30-NOV 00:47 System Modules (6809)
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RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90836)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: DONALDS
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yes the new RBF 33 is here in the new uploads area
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90854 30-NOV 08:55 System Modules (6809)
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RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90850)
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From: DONALDS To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
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Thanks Mike;
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I will Dl it this session.
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Don
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End of Thread.
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90840 29-NOV 01:17 Programmers Den
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RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90827)
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From: NIMITZ To: EDELMAR
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Good point re: MW support. Though pricing still makes that difficult for
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low volume dealers. BTW - The GNU Lib 1.08 still seems to be substantially
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more lenient than the earlier licenses. Granted, it was a quick reading,
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but other options are of course, available.....
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It might be that we need to discuss means of making MW products more
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available to the smaller companies that have a hard time spending $50,000
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to buy Ultra C.........
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90841 29-NOV 05:48 Programmers Den
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RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90840)
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From: EDELMAR To: NIMITZ
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> BTW - The GNU Lib 1.08 still seems to be substantially more lenient than
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> the earlier licenses.
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My local attorney knows zilch about copyright law. But he uses a correspond-
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ing attorney in Washington, D.C. who is supposed to be one of the leading
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experts in the country re copyright law and how it applies to software.
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He sends out updates to his clients periodically regarding matters which
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may effect them. In his July letter, he had a short paragraph which covered
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the GNU license. He reiterated his earlier advise against using GNU soft-
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ware in any form for commercial software products unless a license was
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obtained from them. To summarize his advice when we originally asked several
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years ago, he said he would not want to defend anyone the GNU people brought
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suit against for violating their terms. It would seem to me, that you would
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need a letter from them specifically permitting you to use their software for
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commercial purposes.
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> It might be that we need to discuss means of making MW products more
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> available to the smaller companies that have a hard time spending $50,000
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> to buy Ultra C.........
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$50,000 ????? Who gave you that figure? Even if you negotiated a new
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OEM license with MW for OS-9 and added Ultra-C, I doubt the initial invest-
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ment would exceed one tenth of that figure - and this would include a new
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port-pack. I think you need to do some serious talking to your MW sales
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rep.
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MW does not have any 'official' distribution channels in the US other than
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direct sales from them. (Not talking about OEMs.) However, they do offer
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discounts to certain resellers (or distributors, dealers, etc. - whatever you
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want to call them) for resale. I don't know how many there are but there
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are several around the country. I'm one of them. You might want to
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investigate that route.
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Granted, many developers may complain about the $1295 retail price of
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Ultra-C, but consider the pricing in the MSDOS market. While there are
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compilers available for a few hundred dollars (Microsoft, Borland, etc.)
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most serious developers use the Watcom or comparable compiler. This compiler
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starts at over $1000 and the full blown package will run several thousand
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dollars. (I know because I had to buy one for a project I'm working on for
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a customer.) Decent compilers for Unix also run a thousand dollars or more.
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So, MW's price isn't out of line. Indeed, I think it's pretty low. (Don't
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tell MW I said that <g>.)
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You may have one other option if you took over IMS' license. Renegotiate
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with MW to add Ultra-C. Your costs should be substantially less than what
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I have to pay as a re-seller. For example, I can offer Ultra-C to SYSTEM IV
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and V customers for only $300.00. I don't get Ultra-C from MW for these
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customers; rather, I get it from the OEM, Peripheral Technology. Other
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customers have to pay the full price because I have to get Ultra-C directly
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from MW.
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Of course, whatever path you take, it's your decision (and risk).
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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90842 29-NOV 15:10 Programmers Den
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RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90841)
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From: GREGL To: EDELMAR
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> Granted, many developers may complain about the $1295 retail price of Ultra-C,
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> but consider the pricing in the MSDOS market. While there are compilers
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> available for a few hundred dollars (Microsoft, Borland, etc.) most serious
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> developers use the Watcom or comparable compiler. This compiler starts at
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> over $1000 and the full blown package will run several thousand dollars. (I
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> know because I had to buy one for a project I'm working on for a customer.)
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> Decent compilers for Unix also run a thousand dollars or more. So, MW's price
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> isn't out of line. Indeed, I think it's pretty low. (Don't tell MW I said
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> that <g>.)
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I doubt the validity of this statement because the majority of the commercial
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software I have seen has been compiled with either a Microsoft or Borland
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compiler. Aldus Pagemaker and Collage Complete, for example, are compiled with
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Microsoft C. Of course, a notable exception is that the Norton products (Norton
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Commander, Norton Utilities, Norton Desktop, etc.) appear to be compiled with
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the Symantec compiler. Determining which compiler is used is pretty trivial if
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you peek at the executable. Borland compilers, for example, include a copyright
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notice at the head of the libraries while Microsoft compilers typically have a
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bunch of idiotic run-time error codes starting with the letter R (R6000 - stack
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overflow, R6003 - integer divide by zero, etc.). The Watcom compiler appears to
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be used mostly in proprietary embedded systems and, I believe, for writing
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NetWare software. Still, I conclude that the vast majority of commercial
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applications for MS-DOS and Windows are compiled with Borland or Microsoft
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compilers.
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-- Greg
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90853 30-NOV 04:57 Programmers Den
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RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90842)
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From: EDELMAR To: GREGL
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> I doubt the validity of this statement because the majority of the
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> commercial software I have seen has been compiled with either a Microsoft
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> or Borland compiler. Aldus Pagemaker and Collage Complete, for example,
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> are compiled with Microsoft C. ... The Watcom compiler appears to
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> be used mostly in proprietary embedded systems and, I believe, for writing
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> NetWare software. Still, I conclude that the vast majority of commercial
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> applications for MS-DOS and Windows are compiled with Borland or Microsoft
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> compilers.
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You are probably right. You're far more knowledgeable in this area than me.
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My info came from my client who does only proprietary, industrial stuff.
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Since they're paying the bills and want only the Watcom Compiler used (they
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swear by it), who am I to argue. BTW, my association with them started
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while they were still providing solutions running OS-9 on VME boxes. About
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3 or 4 years ago, competition forced them to look for other solutions. They
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found it was more cost effective to use multiple 386/486 boards. (OS9000
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hadn't been released yet.) Recently, I showed them OS9000. They liked it
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and assigned one man to look into it. The project got shelved because of the
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amount of software already out and the cost involved to convert. They stated
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that if they ever got into a situation where the competition was breathing
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down their necks again, they would seriously consider converting. They
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said they would re-evaluate when PowerPC boxes become available since
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they would probably have to rewrite much of their code anyway.
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Ed
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90855 30-NOV 15:43 Programmers Den
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RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90853)
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From: GREGL To: EDELMAR (NR)
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That makes sense to me, Ed. If I remember my history correctly, Watcom is one
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of the few compilers available for embedded systems. I think it can also
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general ROMable code -- either out of the box or with an option. I received
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an evaluation copy of MetaWare High C/C++ that touted 32-bit compatibility,
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embedded systems and such. Unfortunately this rather high-priced compiler
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requires PharLap's 32-bit DOS extender to run (another $500 or so). If I
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were involved with embedded systems, I think I'd go with the Watcom compiler
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as well. For strict DOS and Windows applications, Borland C++ and Visual C++
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are the compilers of choice. In my opinion, Borland has a much better
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package -- Microsoft C through version 7.0 were the pits. Visual C++ isn't
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necessarily so bad, but it isn't integrated nearly as well (Windows editor,
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DOS-hosted compilers) and the current versions won't generate 16-bit Windows
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code.
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-- Greg
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End of Thread.
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90843 29-NOV 20:47 General Information
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RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90807)
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From: THESCHU To: DISTO
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don't let the 2-meg go any where I placing my order now.
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later
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brian
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90858 30-NOV 20:10 General Information
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RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90843)
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From: DISTO To: THESCHU (NR)
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OK, I'll keep one for you. -Tony.
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End of Thread.
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90844 29-NOV 22:43 General Information
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HardDrive
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From: REVWCP To: ALL
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Dear Friends:
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I am trying to help out a friend who needs to obtain
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a 20-30 meg MFM 5-1/4" half-height hard drive. Something
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like an St-225 or St-238 would be fine. Please let me
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know price and shipping terms.
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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:: With all best wishes, :::::: 2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
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:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::
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90859 30-NOV 21:02 General Information
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RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 90844)
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From: MRGOOD To: REVWCP
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I have an ST-225 installed in a full height case with power supply.
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Does $45 sound reasonable? I'd like to get rid of it since I sold
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the Coco a while ago.
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Hugo
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End of Thread.
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90845 29-NOV 23:56 Applications (6809)
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RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90778)
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From: AJMLFCO To: GLOCKR
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I don't see much 6809 equipment other than the CoCo for
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sale. Gespac may still sell a 6809 board or two. Another
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industrial manufacturer is XYZ which, I believe , makes
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STD-bus 6809 boards. Another lead might be as close as your
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local electrical distributor. Honeywell still makes an sells
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a 6809 computer with OS9 level one for controls. The 'MiniCop'
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module has two or three serial ports and plugs into a programmable
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logic controller chassis. You could probably buy a Kix\20 cheaper
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than one of those. If you ask, though, some of the distributors
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may still have one of the older, larger' "cop" computers left
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around on the shelf that they may be glad to dispose of. These
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also ran OS9 level one and had up to 8 serial ports (6850 ACIA).
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We have programmed several of these systems for use in our plant.
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It's pretty difficult to find any OS9 in industry anymore. Most
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everything is done on the PC anymore, with it's nice graphical
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interface (Windoz) using packages like "Wonderware", "Intellution",
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"Genisis", etc.
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Allen
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90846 30-NOV 00:05 General Information
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RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90784)
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From: AJMLFCO To: BOISY
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I was in a small town shopping mall last weekend and I noticed
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a Sears catalog order store. They had two CD-I machines set up
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for demo purposes and I found out that Sears is selling CD-I
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titles via mail order. The number is 1-800 317-4CDI (4234).
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The salesman was quite enthusiastic and knowledgable! The CD-I
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machines were the only consumer "game" machines in the store.
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Allen
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90847 30-NOV 00:44 General Information
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RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90812)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WAYNETHOMPSO (NR)
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yes, after decoding the internal PIA's, the ghost areas will be free for
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use by another PIA
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Mike
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90849 30-NOV 00:47 General Information
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RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90831)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: COCOKIWI (NR)
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Yes from my experimation i found the CoCo3's internal PIA's are done
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a bit better then the CoCo1 or 2. They only ghost 4 times verses 8.
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End of Thread.
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90851 30-NOV 00:48 General Information
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RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90817)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: 01GEN40 (NR)
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I haven't done any clock crystal changes but i do know that it will effect
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the video screen .
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90856 30-NOV 19:21 General Information
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RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90817)
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From: RICKULAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
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It's not that easy to speed up a CoCo. The GIME is the
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first problem- it will crap out right around 2MHz. It's not even
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ugly (some chips, you can strap on a heatsink and push).
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But a simple design like CoCo has some other serious flaws.
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One clock, buss at cpu speed, so the PIAs have to be changed,
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some of the gates will be to slow, the traces are too long, and
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the MultiPak may catch on fire (ducking). The video goes nuts, as
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well.
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With market and a new GIME, a sweet little hitchi (they sell
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6821s in QFP 1/2 inch square) board could be made pretty cheap,
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and running embedded OS9+Nitros9 would make a _very_ fancy
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controller/profit_motive- kind of like plugging a Burke&Burke in
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the wrong end of an MPI. Alas, we have neither.
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-ricku
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Rick Ulland CoNect
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rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
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"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90857 30-NOV 19:22 General Information
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RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90815)
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From: RICKULAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
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The display codes do exactly as you suspect- but the coco
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color system has some weirdness. For example, reverse video
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(at least here) moves back color to fore, and cursor to back,
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then the cursor appears as back color. Except, the cursor doesn't
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change color until the screen is cleared. Same when it's flipped
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back to normal.
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There are lots of permutations here- for example, if you
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reverse, write some stuff, then swap back, the cursor is fine.
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Add a cls during the reversed part, and the cursor disappears
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later, when you unswap. (Until you cls the unswapped screen). If
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you'd like to experiment, try display 1f 20 (reverse) and display
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1f 21 (back to normal) along with display c (clear), using your
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version of the color set....
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PS- This is where any user can get some use out of
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MultiVue. 'Control' is an excellent little utility, and ran on a
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16 color screen not only displays all 16, but allows adjustment
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by setting the red, green, and blue values- no weird color
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numbers! 'control -e' in startup makes these changes (and
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others, like keybd speed) systemwide, without running MultiVue.
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Until I got a decent hard drive, this and save were the only
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things I ever used from my $40 binder.
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-ricku
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Rick Ulland CoNect
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rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
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"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90852 30-NOV 00:50 System Modules (6809)
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RE: boots (Re: Msg 90822)
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From: MIKE_GUZZI To: RICKULAND
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Did you remember to have GrfDrv in the CMDS dir of the boot disk?
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that will cause a boot to fail. Since you mentioned a 1 meg upgrade
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the modules will need to be fixed for 1 meg (grfdrv and os9p1 i think)
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you might be using an older version
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