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87539 25-MAY 18:10 Telecom (6809)
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RE: InfoExpress (Re: Msg 87506)
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From: PAUL8 To: JOHNREED
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I was at the fest also, applause. Really enjoyed it.
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Paul
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87550 25-MAY 21:16 Telecom (6809)
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RE: InfoExpress (Re: Msg 87506)
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From: DSRTFOX To: JOHNREED
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Car trouble??? MY car is in pieces waiting to be put back together at the
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shop.... broke a ring (compression) and had one hell of a time finding another!
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Couldn't get it before the fest so I rented a car to drive the 2000 mile
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round trip in. Only $200!! But I got there! Now I just found and ordered the
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ring.... should be back in the seat of the Rambler in another week or so,
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unleeI find SOMETHING ELSE that needs to be fixed while the motor is opened up
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again!!
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The probelm that lead to this is a long story.... will leave that out!!
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87642 29-MAY 23:06 Telecom (6809)
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RE: InfoExpress (Re: Msg 87550)
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From: PAUL8 To: DSRTFOX
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Where did you get a deal like that? $200 for 2000 miles!
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Paul
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87671 31-MAY 20:44 Telecom (6809)
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RE: InfoExpress (Re: Msg 87642)
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From: DSRTFOX To: PAUL8
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Of all palces, AVIS was the cheapest! They charged me $186 for a Chevy Cavalier
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2 door for a week with unlimited miles. I told them I'd be bringing it back a
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day or two early, but with 2000 miles on it! I figure it actually only cost
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me about $140-$146.... the Rambler would have probably used that much more gas!!
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Don't listen to those guys with names like "Budget" and "Economy"..... I don't
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know WHERE they got their names from! The closest was about $240 from one of
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those
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for nearly the same car... or smaller!!!
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87711 2-JUN 19:41 Telecom (6809)
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RE: InfoExpress (Re: Msg 87671)
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From: PAUL8 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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I am not surprised with Avis. Think also Hertz has something also. Budget
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and Economy, I have learned to forget them some time ago. Am thinking of
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either driving, taking the train, or mabey take a week's vacation for the
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next fest.
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Paul
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End of Thread.
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87540 25-MAY 18:10 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Ramdisk problems (Re: Msg 87507)
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From: PAUL8 To: JRUPPEL
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Agree with you on the fest. One of the best ever.
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Paul
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87541 25-MAY 18:10 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87508)
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From: PAUL8 To: REVWCP
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Nice to put a name with a face. You said what I was going to say. The
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only thing I did not like about it was transportation for I do not have
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an auto. Outside of that perfect, just perfect.
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Paul
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87542 25-MAY 18:11 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87509)
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From: PAUL8 To: JRUPPEL
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The fest was more than expected. I would like to make it to Atlanta, but
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it conflicts with a prior committent (have a feeling there is an error
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there). But Chicago next year.
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Paul
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87551 25-MAY 21:16 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87517)
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From: DSRTFOX To: REVWCP
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The fest would not be the same without the monk of the Order of CoCo....
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End of Thread.
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87543 25-MAY 18:11 General Information
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RE: Colani Mouse (Re: Msg 87514)
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From: PAUL8 To: JEJONES
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I flew from Boston to Chicago. The plane got in 1/2 hr early at Chicago,
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transportation from the airport to the hotel was made at the airport, only
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a 10 minute wait, transportation from the hotel to the airport - the gent
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was 1/2 hr early, got on an earlier flight than I had expected, plane got
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into Boston early, missed a front that went thru Boston. All this plus the
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fest was one of the best ever. The location is a different story. I hope to
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go in '95. Atlanta this year I can not make.
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All in all it was great. And the weather was great also.
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Paul
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87547 25-MAY 19:45 General Information
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RE: Colani Mouse (Re: Msg 87527)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOHNREED
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> We had fun too, James and I know why you reported no traffic
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> problems. EVERY traffic cone and EVERY construction company
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> in the State of Illinois was placed along the highways
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> between Elgin and the Michigan Line.
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And every traffic cone in Indiana was between Lafayette and Indianapolis,
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and every traffic cone in Kentucky was between Cincinatti and Lexington!! ;-)
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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End of Thread.
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87544 25-MAY 19:32 General Information
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RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87454)
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From: KSCALES To: ILLUSIONIST
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> I am really surprised that no-one has written
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> one for Osk, I can see why people havent bothered for the CoCo, it has a
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> windowing system, and not many people use it from a terminal..
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Mike -
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The Unix utility 'screen' has been ported over to OSK, and allows
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use of many virtual terminal sessions, in full-screen mode (for termcap
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and terminfo-based applications). I believe there is a version here in
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the database, but recent versions of SCF limit it to only 2 or maybe 3
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sessions. Bob van der Poel has posted a couple of updated versions
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(latest update a week or so ago) over on CIS that fixes this problem.
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I also use 'screen' on my HP-UX account when dialed into the office, so that
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I can switch between several different sessions.
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However, performing this screen switching is a bit more complicated than
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just maintaining an array containing a virtual screen. The utility must
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interpret all of the appropriate (termcap) control codes for cursor
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positioning, character attributes, etc. (Essentially, it needs to
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emulate the native display characteristics, capturing this information,
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and "re-playing" it whenever a specific screen is selected.)
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Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
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87545 25-MAY 19:32 General Information
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RE: Looking for Bill Wittman (Re: Msg 87504)
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From: KSCALES To: KEITHBAUER
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> I am looking for Bill Wittman's Email address. Here on Delphi, CIS or
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> the internet is fine.
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Hi, Keith -
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The last address I captured for Bill (using InfoXpress' "I"nfo command -
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really handy!) was:
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IN%"WW2150@ACSPR1.acs.brockport.edu";Bill (William) Wittman
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BTW, got your email, and will try to reply tonight. Got back from the
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Fest Monday, then headed off to Montreal for the Pink Floyd concert on
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Tuesday (ears are still ringing...), so I'm just catching up on a backlog
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of messages.
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Cheers... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
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87546 25-MAY 19:32 General Information
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RE: Memory management (Re: Msg 87525)
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From: KSCALES To: MROWEN01
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> I have a text file I want to edit. It's 184K. When I do a mfree I
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> get a total free memory of 384k, but I get a 207 error when I try to
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> edit the file. My editor is already loaded into RAM at this point.
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Hi, Mike -
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I don't believe that any of the currently available Level 2 editors allow
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you to load more than about 53K into the buffer at a time, although I did
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hear of one (private/undistributed) that used VRN to allow this. There
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is a viewer ("vu" or "view"???) that will allow browsing of large files.
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To handle large files, you will either have to have to use a file
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splitting utility, or else use an editor (such as DynaStar) that loads
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a portion of the file at a time into the edit buffer, then lets you
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write that section back to disk and load in the next section. Works
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OK (I used DynaStar for many years under L2), though you cannot go
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backwards to edit previous sections without writing everything back out
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to disk, and opening the file again at the beginning.
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Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
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87555 25-MAY 23:18 General Information
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RE: Memory management (Re: Msg 87546)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: KSCALES
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> I don't believe that any of the currently available Level 2 editors allow
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> you to load more than about 53K into the buffer at a time, although I did
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Hey, Ken! I thought VED could edit up to a 56K file.
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> hear of one (private/undistributed) that used VRN to allow this. There
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> is a viewer ("vu" or "view"???) that will allow browsing of large files.
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I think it was called peruse.
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87570 26-MAY 22:07 General Information
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RE: Memory management (Re: Msg 87555)
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From: JOHNBAER To: COLORSYSTEMS
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Zack,
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> Hey, Ken! I thought VED could edit up to a 56K file.
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Yep! The CoCo 3 version I last used gave you 55/56K..
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And Bob included his Vsplit program that let you break up a text
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file in either number of parts, or number of `K' you wanted.
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I use to use 30K.. a good round number.
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John -
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*** Posted with Ved 2.3 & IX 1.0.1 ***
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87605 28-MAY 19:31 General Information
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RE: Memory management (Re: Msg 87534)
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From: DBREEDING To: MROWEN01
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RE: too big text files...
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Ved has the utility "vsplit"(?) which will automatically break the file
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down into smaller fragments. It is a little trouble, but it will work.
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Microware's "scred" will handle the entire file, reading in whatever mem.
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will hold (about 36k max), don't hit me Bob VDP :-). Also "edit" which
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comes with the system will, but edit is awful to work with.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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End of Thread.
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87548 25-MAY 19:46 General Information
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RE: Rat Shack special (Re: Msg 87535)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: COCOKIWI
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> Why a Pro-43? I got a Pro-46?<grin> Cheeeeeper<and>on sale!$183.95..
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I wanted the top of the line. That was the PRO-43. (in the hand held line)
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And I had a credit limit of $500, more than enough to get the PRO-43.
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87552 25-MAY 22:35 General Information
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RE: Rat Shack special (Re: Msg 87523)
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From: PAUL8 To: COLORSYSTEMS
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I do not recall getting one and I have been a good customer too.
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Paul
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N1LRT
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End of Thread.
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87549 25-MAY 20:29 General Information
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RE: OS9000 COPY (Re: Msg 87526)
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From: PHILSCHERER To: COLORSYSTEMS
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Hi Zack--thanks for the reply. I will try the -d but I thought that if a file
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cant be found I would get a 216??? <Phil>
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87557 25-MAY 23:33 General Information
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RE: OS9000 COPY (Re: Msg 87549)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PHILSCHERER
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Is different with load as it does a link first which has different return
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codes on error.
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87579 27-MAY 18:11 General Information
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RE: OS9000 COPY (Re: Msg 87557)
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From: PHILSCHERER To: COLORSYSTEMS
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As always, thanks for the info Zack! <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87553 25-MAY 22:51 General Information
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Memory management
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From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
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Thanks, those of you who answered my former questions. Who can tell me in
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detail what I'm actually looking at when I issue an mfree command?
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-Mike
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87606 28-MAY 19:32 General Information
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RE: Memory management (Re: Msg 87553)
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From: DBREEDING To: MROWEN01
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> Thanks, those of you who answered my former questions. Who can tell me in
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> detail what I'm actually looking at when I issue an mfree command?
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You are looking at the actual - shall I say "extended" - memory available
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to the system. That is memory left free for additional use. However, as
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has been said before, a process can only utilize 64k for itself, that is
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the program AND all data(variables) it uses. Of course you can "cheat" and
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get more, actually what you are doing is "peeking" into another process's
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address space.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87554 25-MAY 23:16 Programmers Den
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fest
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From: WDTV5 To: ALL
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Well, I see lots of folks did make it to the fest. Wish I coulda been there too.
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Snif. However I have a Q for those who did make it. Who was actually there
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with the new Umuse3? I haven't talk to Ed Hathaway now in several months, at
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which time he promised me a new copy (I paid the full price again) when
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Ragtimer said it was ready to go again. That was about a year ago now, or
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maybe even longer! So who was there showing Umse3? I'm fairly patient, but
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this has drug on for entirely too long!
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Cheers All, Gene
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87558 25-MAY 23:33 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87554)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WDTV5
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CoCo or MM/1 version?
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87561 26-MAY 01:45 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87558)
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From: MITHELEN To: WDTV5
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Mike Knudsen (RagTimer) Himself was there, vending UMuSe through the
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Hawksoft booth.
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Paul
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87565 26-MAY 17:04 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87554)
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From: JEJONES To: WDTV5
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> However I have a Q for those who did make it. Who was actually
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> there with the new Umuse3?
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Dr. Michael Knudsen himself. It was good to see him again, though
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I'd hoped that Ed Hathaway would be there too.
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87567 26-MAY 19:31 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87565)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JEJONES
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> Dr. Michael Knudsen himself. It was good to see him again, though
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> I'd hoped that Ed Hathaway would be there too.
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Yah, it was good to see Mike again, and we all missed Ed. btw, did you hear
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that Ed called the fest? He called for Dave Barnes in the hotel bar on
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Friday night!
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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87578 27-MAY 07:14 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87567)
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From: JEJONES To: COLORSYSTEMS
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> btw, did you hear that Ed called the fest?
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> He called for Dave Barnes in the hotel bar on Friday night!
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Wow! I like it! I couldn't deal with the smoke in the bar, so I must've
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missed it. I hope that people passed on collective best wishes Ed's way.
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87588 27-MAY 23:49 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87558)
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From: WDTV5 To: COLORSYSTEMS
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OS-9 CoCo. Cheers Zack, Gene
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87589 27-MAY 23:54 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87561)
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From: WDTV5 To: MITHELEN
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Yeah, but when I call him, he always refers me to Ed. Hathaway. And Ed is
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very fussy about what time of the day/nite you try to call him, and while
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denying it, is doing his darndest to convince me I'll never see the upgraded
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Umuse3 that I sent him the money for back in March of '92! This is now the
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middle of '94 unless my watch went south. Not much you can do tho, so I
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shouldn't waste much more of your time about it, I've just poured about
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$60 into a black hole.
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Cheers, Gene
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87595 28-MAY 10:46 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87589)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WDTV5
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> Yeah, but when I call him, he always refers me to Ed. Hathaway. And Ed is
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> very fussy about what time of the day/nite you try to call him,
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This is because Ed works from about 11PM every weekday evening until about
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10AM (or sometimes later, in the morning. If I worked those hours, I'd
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be picky about what times people called me as well.
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87596 28-MAY 10:46 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87588)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WDTV5
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> OS-9 CoCo. Cheers Zack, Gene
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Too bad. If it were the MM/1 version, I'd simple mail you the upgrade myself.
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I do not own the commercial version for the COCO.
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I cannot speak for Ed as to why he has been lax in filling your order, but
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I can say I have known Ed personally for 4 years and everything dealing I
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have had with him was extremely pleasent. I even spent several hours in his
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van with him and Paul Ward two years ago sharing a ride to the Chicago
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fest. While some of our ideological ideas differ, he was quite a pleasent
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person to get to know.
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87613 28-MAY 22:48 Programmers Den
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RE: fest (Re: Msg 87596)
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From: WDTV5 To: COLORSYSTEMS
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I agree, Zack. The conversations I've had have all been pleasant. It's just
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that I'd like to get the program/upgrade before I shut the CoCo down forever.
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Which, while I hate to say it, may eventually happen. At the instant, I'm doing
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this on an Amiga 2000-020. The reason I'm hesitant about shutting the OS-9
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machine off for good is that I know enough about OS-9 to make it do anything
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the hardware is capable of. Unfortch, so far the ability to record from a
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midi source seems to have eluded the 6809 world, while virtually ANY music
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program for the Amiga can record a midi performance direct to the hard drive
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in real time. I intend to transfer the music I do have on the CoCo over to
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the Amiga by simply running the midi output of the coco over to the Amiga,
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just as if it was a null modem cable. The main prob;lem is the relative
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cost of the programs, DMusic is in the $80 area, makes very nice screens
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BUT can't stay up with the music in its on-screen display. Maybe with a
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25-33 mhz 040 cpu, but not with this 14 mhs 020. Bars & Pipes does the
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screen in a different format that non-music-reading types seem to find
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works ok. Either one can turn your music into some awful nice printed copy.
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ALL THE cabling to do that is an adaptor for the seriel port thats usually
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someplace in the $40-$80 area depending on what other bells and whistles
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you might want, one of the $65 ones even having an 8 bit digitizer built
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right into it! Now admittedly you wouldn't want to listen to that 8 bit
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sound on your $2500 audio in the living room, but for previews on a pair
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of 3" boxes sitting beside your trusty 8515, its pretty good. Whew!
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I wrote all that? Cheers Zack, Gene
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End of Thread.
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87556 25-MAY 23:26 General Information
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RE: lha/Nitro (Re: Msg 87520)
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From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
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If you changed shell+ so that there wasn`t a memory conflict with data for some
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programs, on occasion other programs showed up designed for shell.original
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where the the opposite occured. I picked up the
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disk catalogue from Bob Van Der Poel recently and it won`t run unless the
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command line has #8k added. What we have here is some little anomoly in
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one Nitro module, hard to find which one. Lha is working fine in 6809
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mode. So when I use lha I reboot to non-Nitro.
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Merv
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87587 27-MAY 23:48 General Information
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RE: lha/Nitro (Re: Msg 87556)
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From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
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Thats possible I spose. I think (theres that word again) that my shell+ is
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indeed set for a 256 byte defau;lt, rather than the 8k of the original. Or
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was before it got Nitro'ed. Humm, I guess I need to recheck some stuffs at
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the first opportunity. Cheers Merv, Gene
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End of Thread.
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87559 26-MAY 00:42 General Information
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Commodore Monitors
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From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
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I recently heard that Commodore Monitors work on the coco, that they're
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actually magnavox 515s. What I need to know is do they connect up with
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our cocos with or without altering the cable. If the cable needs to be
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altered, what exactly has to be done? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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BTW, the Fest was a blast. If they have it again next year, I'll be there.
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Charlie
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87566 26-MAY 19:22 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87559)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: CHARLESAM
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Seeing the "quote" Commadore or Amiga Monitors,, I'm nearly shure
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they are Mag monitors. Donno if the pin configuratiion is the same for
|
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sure,, but The Amiga plugfgs right into a Mag 515. So it could be.
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Having An Amiga,, I use theh Mag monitor. and wouldn't have a
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Commafore,, I think thye call it a 1040 GS. The Mag has more
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plugs,, more compatible to more Computers, etc.
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Til then,,, Terry Simons
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87573 26-MAY 23:38 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87566)
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From: CHARLESAM To: MRUPGRADE
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|
|
|
Thanx Terry, I'll order the amiga monitor then. There is a place in N.J.
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|
that specializes in Commadore/Amiga stuff. For those who might be interested
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|
the address is RMS/16 Maybrook Dr./ Maywood , N.J. 07607
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|
Phone 201 8433116. The only thing I'm interested in is the monitor. Charlie
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87576 27-MAY 01:15 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87566)
|
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From: COCOKIWI To: MRUPGRADE
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|
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|
Me thinks! the Monitor was the Next one UP with STEREO speakers <AMP> ?
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|
later model...BUT was a Maggot box! I have two,515,s..and have the manual
|
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service data on Em!those used a bigger DIN plug!<grin>..there was no prov
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for Audio in the 515 in the socket.....
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|
Dennis
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87590 28-MAY 00:04 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87573)
|
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From: MRUPGRADE To: CHARLESAM
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How much ar e they asking??
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|
Mag 135's can be found in th Computer Shopper,, usually about $260- $270
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+ Shipp of course. And oyou'll have more virsatility then the Amiga
|
|
model. Kinda like RS,, it's made special to fit their machines,, to heck
|
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with everyone elses.
|
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Til then,,, Terry Simons
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|
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|
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87591 28-MAY 00:09 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87576)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
The newer 135's that replaced theh 515's have stereo or two speaker
|
|
s and sound inputs. But then I wouldn't recommend a monitor speaker
|
|
foro quality sound anyway.
|
|
If you see a 515,, new? It's gotta be a rebulit, returned item. They
|
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haven't been made for years.
|
|
and too theh 135's vary with din & square inputs,, for some reason. I
|
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have two,, each with a different type input.
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|
|
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87597 28-MAY 13:50 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87591)
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: MRUPGRADE
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|
|
|
I just picked up a PCjr monitor that I'm gonna try to rewire for the Coco. I'll
|
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keep y'all posted as to how the whole deal turned out. I picked it up for $50
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at a local computer outfit that was selling out all of their used gear. For any
|
|
who are interested, BTW, there is a file in the hardware section of the Coco SIG
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|
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on hacking the PCjr for the Coco (by Marty Goodman). I'm gonna give it the ol'
|
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college try!
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|
|
John Ruppel
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nsing Area CCUG
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|
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|
87607 28-MAY 19:32 General Information
|
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87573)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM
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|
|
|
Won't a Magnavox 1cm135 work? If so, Midwest Micro sells them for $249
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|
|
|
Their phone # is 800-552-8080
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|
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Address: 6910 U.S. Rt. 36 East
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|
Fetcher OH, 45326
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|
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|
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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|
|
87610 28-MAY 21:08 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87559)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
"I recently heard that Commodore Monitors work on the coco,
|
|
that they're actually magnavox 515s."
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|
|
|
One or more versions of the Commodore 1084/1084s were essentially
|
|
rebadged Magnavox 8CM515's, but ADDED the chroma/luma inputs the
|
|
8CM515 lacked. However, Magnavox's own 1CM135 had everything the
|
|
version of the 1084s that mirrored it had (including the stereo sound
|
|
support and chroma/luma jack).
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|
|
|
Older Commodore monitors, such as the 2002 and the 1080 (like the two
|
|
I have) have no resemblance to any Magnavox monitor I have ever seen.
|
|
I know for a fact that my 1080 was not manufactured by Magnavox, nor its
|
|
parent company, Philips, as the label on the back says so. <grin>
|
|
|
|
Seriously, Shinjyo General Company, Inc. of Japan was the manufacturer
|
|
of my 1080's (and likely all 1080's).
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|
|
|
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|
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|
|
|
87611 28-MAY 21:08 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87566)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: MRUPGRADE
|
|
|
|
"The Mag has more plugs,, more compatible to more Computers,
|
|
etc. "
|
|
|
|
Actually, if you compare the first 1084 to it's Magnavox contemporary,
|
|
the 8CM515, you will find that 1084 has more jacks...specifically,
|
|
the one that allows split chroma/luma input. The 1CM135 has this,
|
|
but the 8CM515 only supported RGB (digital and analog) and composite.
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|
|
|
The same is true if you compare a Commodore 1902A to the Magnavox
|
|
8CM562. (I think I got the numbers right).
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|
|
|
Essentially, the 1CM135 was the first Magnavox monitor to support
|
|
split chroma/luma (S-video) inputs, while all the 15.75Khz-only color
|
|
Commodore monitors had it. (Commodore has also sold a few multi-syncs
|
|
and mono monitors, so I had to be specific).
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|
|
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|
|
|
87616 28-MAY 23:11 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87607)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Thanx, I'll give them a ring come Tuesday. Charlie
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
|
87617 28-MAY 23:14 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87610)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: LMCCLURE
|
|
|
|
I'm glad I mentioned this, now I know the exact model I need, 1CM515.
|
|
Really, thanx for your help. Charlie
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87619 28-MAY 23:45 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87590)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: MRUPGRADE
|
|
|
|
Not so on the Amiga monitor Terry! I have a 1084 (the 1040 you referred to was
|
|
the ultra low cost job, sort of like a CM-8) that I've used for years now. It
|
|
is IDENTICAL to the 8CM515 except that an additional jack and switch is on the
|
|
back to allow using
|
|
spilt composite input (ala c-64/128) as wall as standard composite. The 1084S
|
|
(what I have) is stereo in that it has dual speakers and input javks for them,
|
|
but no amp.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87620 28-MAY 23:49 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87619)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
The Amiga model number is 1084 or 1084S. The S is for stereo.. it has two
|
|
speakers instead of one, but no amp. I use a y cable I made to route the CoCo
|
|
sopund through both speakers at the same time. Sounds nearly stereo anyway! The
|
|
mnonitor you saw in my b
|
|
ooth (one of them, anyway!) was a Commodore 1084S!!! (the oone
|
|
with the glare guard, if you remember).
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87623 29-MAY 03:20 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87619)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
I stand corrected.
|
|
a set
|
|
of speakers & X 9" black,, w/amp and equalizer,, controlls on theh left
|
|
speaker/ blaance and all foro only $100. Though long discontinued,, this
|
|
was the best sound you could get without a full system. I have them on
|
|
my Amiga,,, and lemme tell ya,, they make it get up and sing!
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87626 29-MAY 09:04 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87620)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
I called a place called RMS in NJ. and they said they could get me one. They're
|
|
supposed to call back Tuesday. Lets see what happens. Charlie
|
|
|
|
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|
87637 29-MAY 17:33 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87619)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
"(the 1040 you referred to was the ultra low cost job, sort
|
|
of like a CM-8)"
|
|
|
|
|
|
I've never seen a Commodore monitor with the "1040" model number (in fact,
|
|
I don't recall any of their monitors having a model number below 1701,
|
|
except for the rather rare CM-141).
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|
|
|
Were you by any chance referring to the 1080? If so, I take exception to
|
|
the "ultra low cost job" remark, partly because I own two of 'em. <grin>
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
|
87638 29-MAY 17:35 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87617)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
|
|
"I'm glad I mentioned this, now I know the exact model
|
|
I need, 1CM515."
|
|
|
|
Uh...one of us mixed up model numbers. The 1CM135 was the latest Magnavox
|
|
monitor the Commodore 1084s was based on, and the 8CM515 was the earlier
|
|
model. The 1CM135 is no doubt the one you want.
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|
|
|
I will check my original message and make certain I said what I meant to
|
|
say! <grin>
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|
|
|
Yep...I got it right in message #87610.
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|
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|
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|
|
87643 29-MAY 23:17 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87638)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: LMCCLURE
|
|
|
|
Thanx much, I'm in process of ordering one. Suppose to hear Tuesday if
|
|
vendor can provide said monitor. Charlie
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|
|
|
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87649 30-MAY 20:20 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87643)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
I thot I'd jump in here re the commie monitor discussion. I do in fact
|
|
have the service man for the 1084s thats being talked about, it is in fact
|
|
made by NAP (Maggie), and major parts of the pcb are identical to the older
|
|
Maggie 8CM515 we've all used for years on our coco's. I am in fact running
|
|
the 8CM515 here on the coco, and on the next desk to the left on a commie
|
|
2000-020. Other than the flicker if you run it interlaced on the commie,
|
|
its a great monitor. This service man is now 5 years old, so commie may
|
|
have changed suppliers at some point, but all of the 1084S's we have at
|
|
the tv station are Maggies. Other than an occasional cold solder joint
|
|
where the inputyt jack tugs on the edge of the pcb, we have had zip probs
|
|
with them. My CoCo's 515 is now 8 years old, the commies 515 probably
|
|
9 or 10 as its in fact Dennie Skala's old monitor! The 1CM135 is the next
|
|
unit newer in that same series, and so far as I know, funcionally identical.
|
|
Cheers - Gene
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|
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|
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|
|
87653 30-MAY 22:31 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87649)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
Thanx Gene. Sounds like the wat to go! I got big headaches tonight.
|
|
I'm incorporating Nitros9 patches to my system, been at it all day.
|
|
I got my bootfile squared away finally and was fixing grfdrv with a
|
|
patch. Well, ... I forgot to set the attr to e pe. Now I can't get into
|
|
my hard drive cause grfdrv will not load, nor will gfx2 which is merged
|
|
with grfdrv. Result= FAILED.
|
|
Now I have to dig around for all the cmds and utils necessary to
|
|
make a new bootdisk that has /dd = /d0 and change cc3go to look for
|
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startup on /d0. In this boot I'll include my HDisk and H0 so after
|
|
it boots, I can chd /h0 and fix the problem. Not tonight for sure...
|
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If you knew the mess my floppy files are in, your know this is a major
|
|
job. HELP!!! Later Gene Charlie
|
|
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|
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87660 31-MAY 01:10 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87591)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: MRUPGRADE
|
|
|
|
as far as I know the 135 was put out for the Amegia..since it had stereo!
|
|
I remember back when "Battle Chess" came out<grin>.the store display was one!
|
|
Dennis
|
|
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|
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87664 31-MAY 02:33 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87653)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Heh.. I was helping a friend install nitro this weekend, and
|
|
ran into almost the exact same thing... a problem with grfdrv... my solution
|
|
was to grab the stock OS-9 Level 2 Boot disks, boot up with them, then
|
|
load thard disk driver/descriptor off the distribution disk that
|
|
they cam on ( Burk and burk setup, had to also make the descriptor
|
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with the "ddmaker" program" then I just iniz /h0; chd /h0; chx /h0/cmds...
|
|
and then fixed what I messed up... My friend through we were REALLY screwed.
|
|
Only took about 5 minutes to "recover" to a usable state. I ran outa time,`
|
|
so didn't get to finishing the nitro installation... One thing I
|
|
got to say for nitro... it is not the easiest thing to install.
|
|
and is perhaps the most confusing thing I ever worked with... Especially
|
|
cause the install program options don't do exactly what they say. It also
|
|
is REALLY picky on what the modules are that it is going to patch.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87669 31-MAY 20:35 General Information
|
|
RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87660)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
"as far as I know the 135 was put out for the Amegia..
|
|
since it had stereo!"
|
|
|
|
It also made a great monitor for the Atari STe series, since they
|
|
added stereo sound. In fact, Atari sold a 'stripped down' version of
|
|
the Magnavox 1CM135 under the Atari name as the SC1435. (Unlike the
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Commodore version, it was inferior to the 1CM135, in that it lacked
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both the composite and split video inputs, and AFAIK, did not handle
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RGBI, either...just RGB analog).
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87670 31-MAY 20:36 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87637)
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From: DSRTFOX To: LMCCLURE
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Hmmm... I think I had to be referring to the 1080 then. I meant it was lower
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cost/quality than the 1084, actually, since it has a larger dot pitch, more
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like the CM-8 than the 1084/Maggie '515.
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87677 31-MAY 21:21 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87664)
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From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
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If you have a hard time with it, imagine what I'm going thru. I must have
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made 20 or more bootdisks and still no luck. I got back to my HD the hard
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way by making a new bootdisk that load grfdrv from /d0. I'll keep a couple of
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copies
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handy for future blunders. I'm starting to believe its a joke. 'Nitros9 I
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mean. I have all my modules patched that can be patched and still fail.
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I took out os9p3 cause I couldn't find a patch. I did notice that since
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grfdrv was patched, my Klondike has noticably increase speed in which it
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puts up a new screen, like BAM! There it is. If the rest of the stuff
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works like that, it might well be worth the effort I'm investing. Its
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just that I'm starting to feel I'll never get it right, never get it to
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boot. Frustration, plain and simple. I'm sitting here with reams of
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printouts, dozens of disks, most unlabeled, and I don't have any idea
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where to go from here. I think I'll clean up the mess and put it aside
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for a few days. I can't do anymore now.
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For those of you out there that succeeded with the updates, maybe
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you can shed some light on the problems you overcame. Any ideas or
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suggestions are welcome here. Thanx Paul, and thanx anyone who
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decides to help. Charlie
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87685 31-MAY 23:47 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87670)
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From: LMCCLURE To: DSRTFOX
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Well, actually, I would match the video quality of my 1080 against a
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1084 or Magnavox 8CM515 or 1CM135 any day of the week. The dot pitch is
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.42mm as I recall. The 2002 looked the same, but always struck me as
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being lower quality...perhaps it had a lower pitch tube?
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87692 1-JUN 20:50 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87685)
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From: DSRTFOX To: LMCCLURE
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Heck, why did you have to mention the 2002? It seems NOW, that I recall the
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1080 as being directly before the 1084, with little quality difference and
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some minor changes. They DID make a lower quality RGB monitor for the
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Amiga though... I'm assuming the 500... I was thinking the 1080 was it, but
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heck, I've been so darn busy lately I haven't had time to check anything
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!!!
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87708 2-JUN 05:29 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87677)
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From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: CHARLESAM
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I can understand the difficulties you are haveing. I went
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through the same thing when I was trying to patch OS9 with just the
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normal patches (via the patch OS9 disk). After that lesson, when I
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got NitrOS9 I got myself organized before I tried anything.
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ie. Created a boot disk with hard drive descriptors but with the floppy as
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dd
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/dd
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I also formatted bunch of disks to plenty of blanks ready to go, and I also
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found a fantastic time/frustration saver, a product called ErasaLabel. I has
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It is a special label and pen that erase with alchohol. VERY Handy!
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|
Anyway, it is frustrating but in the end it WILL be worth it. Nitro is
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faster and smootherthan stock os9 and you will end up
|
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wondering how you got along without it!
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Wayne
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87715 2-JUN 20:38 General Information
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RE: Commodore Monitors (Re: Msg 87708)
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From: CHARLESAM To: WAYNETHOMPSO (NR)
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I finally did it! I had to start over and yeah, plenty of preformatted disks.
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I even cleaned my table off before I began. I did as you with the DD but it
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still get up to HD via CC3Go. Can you run any games. I crash if I try to put
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up a game. I'll make a separate boot for games. The patch to grfdrv is enuf
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to speed up graphics enormously. THanx for the input and encouragement.
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Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87560 26-MAY 01:35 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87536)
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From: MITHELEN To: JEVESTAL
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You first step is to verify that hardware handshakeing is taking place. Get
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a RS-232 line status indicator. If you don't see the RTS lite going off
|
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and on along with the RD light, then something is wrong with your modem
|
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setup, or the RS-232 port/setup.
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87563 26-MAY 08:43 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87560)
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From: JEVESTAL To: MITHELEN
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> You first step is to verify that hardware handshakeing is taking place.
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> Get a RS-232 line status indicator. If you don't see the RTS lite going
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> off and on along with the RD light, then something is wrong with your
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> modem setup, or the RS-232 port/setup.
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|
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I don't have a line status indicator, if they are cheap (Radio Shack?)
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then I may pick one up. In the meantime assuming that handshaking is
|
|
taking place then what?
|
|
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By the way I have tried downloading to a ramdisk too, but ymodem at
|
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9600 yeilds about 450 or less cps.
|
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|
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Is PROTOCOL:LAPM (V-42 LAP-M Error Correction) the same as handshaking?
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|
Usually my modem responds with this message.
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|
|
Jim
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87564 26-MAY 16:31 Telecom (6809)
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|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87563)
|
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From: ISC To: JEVESTAL
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|
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Jim,
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|
|
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I thought I would jump in here because I want to learn all I can to facilitate
|
|
my own move to a higher speed modem when it comes. "Handshaking" is the term
|
|
used for the exchange of signals which takes place during a transmission
|
|
between two modems. You can monitor this process by purchasing an RS-232
|
|
"mini-tester" from Radio Shack for only a few bucks (I am sure mine was less
|
|
than $5). The "mini-tester" plugs in to your RS-232 output plug on one end
|
|
and to your RS-232 output cable on the other end. It has 7 indicator lights
|
|
for TD - transmit data, RD - receive data, RTS - ready to send, CTS - clear
|
|
to send, DSR - Data set ready, DTR - data terminal ready and CD - carrier
|
|
detect. By watching what happens during transmission, you can monitor
|
|
when the signals are being sent to and from your modem.
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|
|
|
Error checking protocols are methods of checking the data stream for various
|
|
patterns to detect or correct errors caused by line noise or interference.
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|
|
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The RS-232 signals must be sent in the correct sequence so that both modems
|
|
will continue to transmit and receive "in sync" with each other. On the
|
|
other hand there are several error checking and correction protocols, so
|
|
you must know which are compatible with your system and the host system
|
|
to which you are calling.
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|
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|
I hope that this has not confused you more, but I am sure that our colleagues
|
|
here will add to the discussion and that we will both learn more.<grin>
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|
|
Bill
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87568 26-MAY 19:59 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87564)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
Assumeing you are getting soe kind of RTS/CTS handshakeing, and the CoCo
|
|
is indeed getting the signals. Then, you might have to fine tune some of
|
|
the "S" register settings that deal with intewrnal buffers and transition times
|
|
in the modem.
|
|
Get the tester first, they are cheep, definately under 10$, and help solve
|
|
many problems (I just had to use mine to figure out why my MAI terminal
|
|
was not handshakeing properly... Seems it likes to use DTR instead of RTS
|
|
to signal that t is bust, and to not send anything to it)
|
|
|
|
Also, don't expect to get massivly high throughput rates until you are
|
|
running in 6309 mode. What you want to acheive first are error free receives.
|
|
Then you might want to do some hacks to fix the CTS problem so you
|
|
can get error free transmissions.
|
|
|
|
Another side note... Saw a CoCo connected at 38.4K baud to my Unix box
|
|
at the fest and have no problem handleing a zmodem receive (only got 984 CPS)
|
|
but, it didn't loose any characters or interupts, and we even loaded the
|
|
coco with a few other tings to do...this was using a serail port
|
|
with a 16550 UART. It was in Mark Marlette's (?SP) machine (Quite an
|
|
impessive machine!)
|
|
--
|
|
Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
|
|
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|
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|
87574 27-MAY 01:00 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87564)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: ISC
|
|
|
|
> I thought I would jump in here because I want to learn all I can to
|
|
> facilitate
|
|
> my own move to a higher speed modem when it comes. "Handshaking" is the
|
|
> term used for the exchange of signals which takes place during a
|
|
> transmission between two modems. You can monitor this process by
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the input.
|
|
|
|
Jim
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|
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|
87575 27-MAY 01:01 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87568)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
> Assumeing you are getting soe kind of RTS/CTS handshakeing, and the CoCo
|
|
> is indeed getting the signals. Then, you might have to fine tune some of
|
|
> the "S" register settings that deal with intewrnal buffers and transition
|
|
> times in the modem.
|
|
> Get the tester first, they are cheep, definately under 10$, and help
|
|
> solve many problems (I just had to use mine to figure out why my MAI
|
|
> terminal was not handshakeing properly... Seems it likes to use DTR
|
|
> instead of RTS to signal that t is bust, and to not send anything to it)
|
|
> Also, don't expect to get massivly high throughput rates until you are
|
|
> running in 6309 mode. What you want to acheive first are error free
|
|
> receives. Then you might want to do some hacks to fix the CTS problem so
|
|
> you can get error free transmissions.
|
|
|
|
Thanks Paul, I will pick up one of those testers soon.
|
|
|
|
> Another side note... Saw a CoCo connected at 38.4K baud to my Unix box
|
|
> at the fest and have no problem handleing a zmodem receive (only got 984
|
|
> CPS) but, it didn't loose any characters or interupts, and we even loaded
|
|
> the coco with a few other tings to do...this was using a serail port
|
|
> with a 16550 UART. It was in Mark Marlette's (?SP) machine (Quite an
|
|
> impessive machine!)
|
|
|
|
How can the average CoCo user get one of these 16550 ports? There's
|
|
several of us that wonts one!
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|
|
|
Jim
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|
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|
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87577 27-MAY 01:59 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87575)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
WELP... I'm not sure if the serial port board he had was of his own design,
|
|
or, if it was a redesigned version of a prototype CoCoIO board
|
|
( it actually had 2 16550's on it) He also had his own home
|
|
brew 2 meg upgrade, and IBM keyboard interface.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87584 27-MAY 23:13 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87536)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
Just letting you know that I have the same modem though it is hooked to
|
|
my MM1. I have not yet achieved any 9600 baud delphi connections but havent
|
|
tried real hard yet. Initially I was getting 9600 CONNECT on my screen,
|
|
then garbage echoing, and then nada. I will be piddling with this over
|
|
the next month so lets exchange notes, huh?
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87601 28-MAY 18:28 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87584)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
> Just letting you know that I have the same modem though it is hooked to
|
|
> my MM1. I have not yet achieved any 9600 baud delphi connections but
|
|
> havent tried real hard yet. Initially I was getting 9600 CONNECT on my
|
|
> screen, then garbage echoing, and then nada. I will be piddling with this
|
|
> over the next month so lets exchange notes, huh?
|
|
|
|
Have you been able to call out to local PC boards at 9600 or 14.4?
|
|
|
|
Unless the port is real bad there is no reason a 68K based system
|
|
can't do high speed connects. What is your modem settings? Do a
|
|
AT&V to list them to your terminal. From I hear both S-term and
|
|
TasCom (OSterm) should work fine.
|
|
|
|
Jim
|
|
|
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|
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|
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|
87602 28-MAY 18:30 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87568)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
> Assumeing you are getting soe kind of RTS/CTS handshakeing, and the CoCo
|
|
> is indeed getting the signals. Then, you might have to fine tune some of
|
|
> the "S" register settings that deal with intewrnal buffers and transition
|
|
> times in the modem.
|
|
|
|
Which S register settings in particular? I've scanned my modem's manual
|
|
and didn't see any that I think could be changed that would help except
|
|
for maybe S26?
|
|
|
|
> Get the tester first, they are cheep, definately under 10$, and help
|
|
> solve many problems (I just had to use mine to figure out why my MAI
|
|
> terminal was not handshakeing properly... Seems it likes to use DTR
|
|
> instead of RTS to signal that t is bust, and to not send anything to it)
|
|
|
|
I got one of the testers yesterday, Radio Shack must have risen there
|
|
prices there are no $15 not under $10. It is a neat little toy. It
|
|
seems that RTS/CTS handshaking is working properly. I noticed that
|
|
the RTS light goes red only during streaming protocols such as
|
|
zmodem. I guess the ymodem protocol itself handles the flow control.
|
|
|
|
> Also, don't expect to get massivly high throughput rates until you are
|
|
> running in 6309 mode. What you want to acheive first are error free
|
|
> receives. Then you might want to do some hacks to fix the CTS problem so
|
|
> you can get error free transmissions.
|
|
|
|
It will be a while before I can get a 6309 installed, not anytime soon.
|
|
|
|
I would like to hear from other people who have claimed to have gotten
|
|
reliable communication at 9600 baud from the CoCo without the 6309.
|
|
|
|
I still say that it doesn't look it the CoCo can do it. Please
|
|
someone show me that I am wrong by telling me how MY CoCo can do it.
|
|
|
|
Jim
|
|
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-8am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 8am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|
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|
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Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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|
|
|
87604 28-MAY 19:31 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87602)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
The coco can indead do it running in 6809 mode... I've done it myself when
|
|
SandV was running on a CoCo. That was a long time ago though. The reason that
|
|
YModem and Xmodem seem they don't require the RTS/CTS handshakeing is that
|
|
because they are blocked protocals, the receive buffer is must likely
|
|
large enough (in SAcia) to hold an entire 1K packet, so the system never
|
|
gets to the point that it needs to halt the transmitter. I can't recall your
|
|
original setup, but, do make sure you have the new Edition 9 clock installed
|
|
with SAcia...
|
|
|
|
Try playing with the S49 (ASB Buffer size lower limit) and S50 (ASB
|
|
buffer size upper limit)
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|
|
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|
87608 28-MAY 19:37 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87601)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
I Take it you are using /T3 or /T4? If not, that is most likely your
|
|
problem... Also, check the jumpers on the paddle board. On the P4 jumper
|
|
block, you should have it jumpered as follows:
|
|
:|:| P4
|
|
(where '|' is a jumper, and yopu are looking at the board from the front)
|
|
Also, make sure you are the TYPE set to 80, or have RTS/CTS flow control
|
|
enabled from the term program (if it provoids that option)
|
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|
|
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|
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|
|
87609 28-MAY 20:03 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87602)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
> I would like to hear from other people who have claimed to have gotten
|
|
> reliable communication at 9600 baud from the CoCo without the 6309.
|
|
>
|
|
> I still say that it doesn't look it the CoCo can do it. Please
|
|
> someone show me that I am wrong by telling me how MY CoCo can do it.
|
|
|
|
I'll relate some of my experiences, don't take word for gospel, as I didn't
|
|
do some of the tweaking Paul spoke of. My setup: Coco 3, 6309 w/Powerboost,
|
|
MPI w/ Tandy RS-232 Pak - it has 6551 ACIA, not 6551A, have one but didn't
|
|
install it. I have an edition 9 (?) clock - thought it was supposed to be
|
|
edition 7. It's for Disto clock, anyway. My modem is Hayes Optima 2400.
|
|
I have my /t2 "xtp" set to 5 "par"= 2.
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|
|
|
I have supercomm 2.2, also OSTerm. In logging on to local BBS w/40 MHZ PC,
|
|
I would lose some characters especially when a big bunch of stuff came in to
|
|
display. On a ZModem d/l, I would get a few errors (that's with error-
|
|
correction turned on in modem). I think on one file about 100K, I got 3 or
|
|
4 errors. This was all at 9600, and the 6551 might be too weak for this
|
|
rate. I began logging on @ 4800 and it's beautiful.
|
|
|
|
I notice with error-corr & h/w handshake on, my "rd" light blinks rapidly
|
|
with CIS & Delphi. On the local BBS, the light blinks at oh, maybe 1/2 that
|
|
rate. However, the BBS has compression turned on, with CIS & Delphi comp.
|
|
is off, but err-corr is on.
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|
|
|
This is only my experience. I wonder, speaking to Paul, are your successful
|
|
9600 connections with another coco? I can see where a CoCo-CoCo connection
|
|
would be quite successful, since I would think neither would be supplying
|
|
the data faster than the other could receive. But can a Coco keep up with
|
|
a much faster computer at 9600? I'm thinking that by the time the coco
|
|
detects a buffer-almost-full condition and shuts flow off, that the buffer
|
|
might be overflowed? Could this be?
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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|
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|
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|
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|
|
87622 29-MAY 00:36 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87609)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
My experiances were between a CoCo, and a 486/33 Unix box. Also, I was using
|
|
a true 9600 baud modem (ie, v.32), but, that is besides the point. One of the
|
|
newer version of SAcia may be needed to get the reliability I had. I can't
|
|
really give too much more help, cause, I no longer have a CoCo, and it has
|
|
been well over a year since I used that setup.
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
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|
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87657 31-MAY 00:06 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87622)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
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> My experiances were between a CoCo, and a 486/33 Unix box. Also, I was
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> using a true 9600 baud modem (ie, v.32), but, that is besides the point.
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|
|
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OK, that answers my question. I didn't pursue the project all that far. I
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did have SAcia. My modem was a 2400 Hayes using v.42bis. I think maybe the
|
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screen output was overtaxing my system or something - well I did get errors
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on zmodem downloading so I dunno. I had everything I was told I needed -
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except didn't do the DSR/? switching (think it was DSR) that was recommended
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(believe this was developed by you, wasn't it?).
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> had. I can't really give too much more help, cause, I no longer have a
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> CoCo, and it has been well over a year since I used that setup.
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|
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Well, I suppose it's a moot question for me, too <G>. Just received my
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System 5 Fri the 28th. Soon as I get my serial ports rewired for straight
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RS-232, (or get the internal modem), I'll probably be using the OSK sys
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for all telecom.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87662 31-MAY 02:20 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87657)
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From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
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The DSR/CTS swamp hack was actally thought up, and implemented first
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by someone else (who's name eludes me) that was from Minesota.... I added
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one or two fixes to that hack (it tended to loose the real status for some
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reason on occasions, I forget... it's been a while) and the actual
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"fix " (ie assembly) code came from someone else (Randy I think) I just
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peiced together all the hacks, and put them together in one source
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file, and archive...
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Also... the DSR/CTS hack only effected TRANSMISSION, not Receptiuon.
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|
|
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Anyhow.. like you said, it is a moot point for you and myself now.. although
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I'm sure others still want to get this high speed thing worked out...
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87695 1-JUN 22:10 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87662)
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From: JEVESTAL To: MITHELEN (NR)
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> The DSR/CTS swamp hack was actally thought up, and implemented first
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> by someone else (who's name eludes me) that was from Minesota.... I added
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> one or two fixes to that hack (it tended to loose the real status for
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> some reason on occasions, I forget... it's been a while) and the actual
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> "fix " (ie assembly) code came from someone else (Randy I think) I just
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> peiced together all the hacks, and put them together in one source
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> file, and archive...
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> Also... the DSR/CTS hack only effected TRANSMISSION, not Receptiuon.
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>
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> Anyhow.. like you said, it is a moot point for you and myself now..
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> although I'm sure others still want to get this high speed thing worked
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> out...
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I have read the patch doc file, but can't use it since I can't modify
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my cable, hopeuflly my friend Tim will help set up a modified cable
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for us to test.
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I uploaded a fire for the first time at 4800 baud got a blazing 315 CPS
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using the latest SZ! Why so slow, moving the file to ramdisk did
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not help much, so it's not the hard drive slowing down the tranfer.
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Unlike Zmodem receive at 4800 baud (which yields about 400 CPS) I noticed
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that the SD light on my modem was not on constrantly using zmodem. Ymodem
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batch yeilded closer to the expected 400+ CPS.... why is zmodem so slow?
|
|
|
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I would like the users on my board to be able to download using SZ but
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I can't recomend a 300 CPS transfer rate... that is way too slow.
|
|
|
|
Any sugestions... if any CoCo user gets better result WITHOUT a 6309
|
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could you please send me a copy of your os9boot file, and a copy of
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your modem settings?
|
|
|
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Jim "It can't be done on a CoCo" Vestal
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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87562 26-MAY 02:14 General Information
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RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87479)
|
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From: NIMITZ To: WA2EGP
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|
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|
We still have 68340's and KTerm left from the fest. (hint, hint!)
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|
87571 26-MAY 22:19 General Information
|
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RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87562)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: NIMITZ
|
|
|
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Hmmmmmm......have to look at my pesos. Have a few bills to take care of but
|
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I might give myself an "end of the school year" present. I thought I had a
|
|
"catalog" I downloaded but I can't find it. Was one ever uploaded?
|
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|
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-*-
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|
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87583 27-MAY 20:44 General Information
|
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RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87571)
|
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From: NIMITZ To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
Probably not. I used to keep them updated, before my emphasis shifted to
|
|
production. Now I'll have to reprioritize again.....
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|
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End of Thread.
|
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|
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|
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87569 26-MAY 21:06 General Information
|
|
CGA for the Coco
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Does anyone have a method of setting up a CGA monitor to run on the Coco?
|
|
I am in need of a monitor and if I can set up for a CGA, my problems a
|
|
permanently solved (massive availabillity at salvage prices).
|
|
Inquiring Minds Want to Know!
|
|
|
|
John Ruppel
|
|
Lansing Area CCUG
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87580 27-MAY 18:11 General Information
|
|
RE: CGA for the Coco (Re: Msg 87569)
|
|
From: STEWARD To: JRUPPEL
|
|
|
|
I saw an article in one of my computer mags. I think it was in Computer
|
|
Craft mag. I'll see if I can dig it up this weekend.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
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87586 27-MAY 23:25 General Information
|
|
RE: CGA for the Coco (Re: Msg 87580)
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: STEWARD
|
|
|
|
If it goes into detail, maybe we can post the specs here for all that may be
|
|
interested? I'm not sure about copyright problems if all you are loading is
|
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specs....
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
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|
|
87572 26-MAY 22:22 OSK Applications
|
|
MM/1 TREK
|
|
From: VAXELF To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I purchaged MM/1 Trek game at the fest. I have left E-Mail to the guys
|
|
at Budgetware on this too.
|
|
I have the game installed with all the files except the startup script
|
|
( trek ) in /DD/GAMES/TREK and "trek" is in the /DD/CMDS.
|
|
the game plays correctly, but when I activate phasers,torps, or any other
|
|
part that is suppose to play the sound effects, I get
|
|
|
|
SYNTAX ERROR
|
|
|
|
NO sound and when I finsih off the bad guys, the screen explodes. If I
|
|
do a MAP command, I get the map and when I exit MAP the trek screen comes
|
|
back.
|
|
If I turn off sound, the the game plays correctly.
|
|
|
|
Can anybody tell me what is wrong???????
|
|
I even deleted all the files and reinstalled the game twice.
|
|
|
|
John A. Donaldson
|
|
|
|
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|
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87684 31-MAY 23:12 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: MM/1 TREK (Re: Msg 87572)
|
|
From: MODEL299 To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
We have been unable to duplicate this problem on the 3 MM/1's we have in our
|
|
group. The trek program is issuing a simple shell command and should not be
|
|
having any problems. We will concentrate on the code for the sounds and see
|
|
what we can come up with.
|
|
|
|
Would other MM/1 trek users please let us know how they are doing. Thanks.
|
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|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87704 1-JUN 23:28 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: MM/1 TREK (Re: Msg 87684)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: MODEL299 (NR)
|
|
|
|
> We have been unable to duplicate this problem on the 3 MM/1's we have in
|
|
> our group. The trek program is issuing a simple shell command and should
|
|
> not be having any problems. We will concentrate on the code for the
|
|
> sounds and see what we can come up with.
|
|
>
|
|
> Would other MM/1 trek users please let us know how they are doing.
|
|
> Thanks.
|
|
|
|
On a hunch, I called Colin McKay, who picked up Trek at the Fest, and
|
|
asked him to try it after configuring to use "sh" (the TOP "Bourne shell"
|
|
mini-clone). He encountered exactly the same SYNTAX ERROR reported by
|
|
John when using this configuration. Normally (using the stock MW shell),
|
|
Colin reports having no problems with the game, but says he has some
|
|
suggestions/ideas that he plans to forward to Budgetware.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87705 1-JUN 23:28 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: MM/1 TREK (Re: Msg 87572)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
> I have the game installed with all the files except the startup script
|
|
> ( trek ) in /DD/GAMES/TREK and "trek" is in the /DD/CMDS.
|
|
> the game plays correctly, but when I activate phasers,torps, or any
|
|
> other part that is suppose to play the sound effects, I get
|
|
>
|
|
> SYNTAX ERROR
|
|
|
|
Hi, John -
|
|
|
|
Nice meeting you at the Fest! Good to now have a face to match to the
|
|
name <g>.
|
|
|
|
Please see my message to Mark on the Trek sound problem: are you using
|
|
"sh" for your shell? This could be causing the errors you have been
|
|
encountering.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87581 27-MAY 19:58 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87519)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: REVWCP
|
|
|
|
Wow Bro. Jeremy, You sure know how to get your hands on some BIG
|
|
fish! :-) I'm glad you were finally able to chase your dream of
|
|
getting Max-10 to OS9 and I hope it get's done. I'm not personally in
|
|
the market for a WP myself, but this will satisfy a LOT of people, and
|
|
I may just be one of the first to buy anyway. Just to be a real
|
|
patriot ;-) Also, hopefully we will see an OSK version afterwards,
|
|
which shouldn't be too hard if it's written in 'C' or Basic<doubt
|
|
we'll be seeing a version written in Basic for Level II but...>.
|
|
Also it's great to hear that the fest was once again, a great
|
|
success. I sure hope vendors were able to take home a little more
|
|
pocket change than what they came with. Once again, I find myself
|
|
saying, "I wish I could have been there..." *sigh* :-( I know one day
|
|
I'll make it too one, hopefully it will be soon after I get another
|
|
automobile, and a little more spending money. Does anyone have a
|
|
rundown of the new and updated software that's been released?
|
|
|
|
See ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87582 27-MAY 19:58 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87533)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: ISC
|
|
|
|
>>The port of Max-10 is great news Brother J. Now we can have
|
|
those 300 dpi fonts!<<
|
|
|
|
Hehe, good point :-) This is also a good example of how a single
|
|
person CAN make an impact in this community. It goes to show what you
|
|
can do with a bit of work. There is a ton of old classic Coco software
|
|
just sitting out there collecting dust. A lot of people are saying
|
|
"gee, I'd like to maybe contact the author about getting the rights to
|
|
the software, but hey, if he was going to do it, wouldn't someone
|
|
have already gotten the rights by now?" when in fact the reason no one
|
|
has the rights to the software is because, NO ONE bothered to
|
|
ask<grin>. Well, talk about a run-on-sentence :-) I think this sets a
|
|
good example for the rest of the community, for not only getting the
|
|
rights to do software ports and/or updates, but in other areas such as
|
|
promoting the system itself. Btw, since I mentioned all that old Coco
|
|
software from the old classic Rainbow days, imagine if we were able to
|
|
get a majority of that software ported to OS9, and updated, and if it
|
|
is OS9 software already, simply getting the rights and updating it? I
|
|
don't know if Level II sales would pick up considerably or not, but
|
|
if it was ported to OSK, in the long run it would be a BIG plus. Since
|
|
the NEW OSK/ K-Gwindows software is still being written, having
|
|
reworked old Coco software would help fill some voids with POSSIBLY
|
|
less work. I say possibly, because in some cases having to redo all
|
|
that old assembler code might not prove time effective.
|
|
|
|
Boy I feel so inspired LOL. Now if I would just get my OS9 UG fee
|
|
mailed out...<Grin>
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87621 28-MAY 23:57 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87582)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
I've tried to get rights to some of the stuff. Many of the original authors
|
|
just don't want to be bothered or will sell it at a discount, but won't
|
|
relinquiish source code. I had that problem with a decent book-keeping program.
|
|
It was in a encrypted basic
|
|
coade, but I wanted to convert it to an 80 colum,n screen, and even told the
|
|
original author he could retain all rights and I'd even continue to buy copies
|
|
from him.. do the conversion myself for free! Uninterested. I'd have been able
|
|
to sell a few using t
|
|
he 80 column screen and maybe some slight updating, but only a very few (maye 6
|
|
or so) bought over a year since it used the 32 column screen, and they were
|
|
just wanting SOMETHING that would keep books on the CoCo... anything that was
|
|
easy to use and worked
|
|
! Had the same problem with one or two others, so I gave up trying.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87691 1-JUN 20:38 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87621)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
>>I've tried to get rights to some of the stuff. Many of the
|
|
original authors just don't want to be bothered or will sell it at a
|
|
discount, but won't relinquish source code.<<
|
|
|
|
*sigh*, the spirit of giving is still in full force I see. It's
|
|
too bad those authors are content to watch all that work go down the
|
|
drain, when there are others willing to upgrade it for them.
|
|
I still say this is worth pursuing, but until your message, I
|
|
didn't realise there were people who made such a fuss out of it. They
|
|
have nothing to lose<assuming they are not still pushing the product
|
|
on another platform perhaps and have reasons to keep it off of OS-9>.
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87693 1-JUN 20:51 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87691)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
I agree Chris. I tried though!
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87706 2-JUN 00:52 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87691)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
> *sigh*, the spirit of giving is still in full force I see. It's
|
|
> too bad those authors are content to watch all that work go down the
|
|
> drain, when there are others willing to upgrade it for them.
|
|
|
|
Hi, Chris -
|
|
|
|
Well, aside from Brother Jeremy's Max10 endeavors, there have been other
|
|
successful efforts to maintain/upgrade some of the better programs.
|
|
|
|
- Mike Sweet's "Terminal" for the MM/1 has been licenced by Blackhawk
|
|
Industries, and is being upgraded by John Donaldson
|
|
- Dave Philipsen's "SuperComm" for CC3 Level 2 is now being supported
|
|
by Randy K Wilson
|
|
- Vaughn Cato's "TasCOM" for the MM/1 has been upgraded and has been
|
|
re-released as "OSTerm 68K" from Northern Xposure (a project with
|
|
which I have been involved).
|
|
|
|
I agree that it's a shame if the authors just let their code stagnate
|
|
if there are people willing to take over the reins and keep it alive.
|
|
|
|
However, I can certainly understand if the original authors are hesitant
|
|
to release their code: they would be concerned that their reputations may
|
|
be tarnished if the new maintainer of the code does a poor job on a
|
|
product that has not only been associated with their name, but has been
|
|
the result of many, many hours of painstaking effort. From what I have seen,
|
|
John and Randy have both done a good job of maintaining the quality of
|
|
the original programs (and I have been trying very hard to ensure that the
|
|
same can be said of OSTerm 68K).
|
|
|
|
But I think that this discussion should not just be limited to existing OS-9
|
|
programs: there are a large number of non-OS-9 programs waiting to be
|
|
ported over to our environment. When I asked Geoff Kuenning for permission
|
|
to post my OSK port of "ispell", he was very co-operative. There are a lot
|
|
of other programs out there that could be supported under OS-9, if someone
|
|
would take the initiative to make it happen.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87716 2-JUN 20:39 General Information
|
|
RE: MAX-10/OS9 (Re: Msg 87706)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
Well I can only agree with your points. I don't want to take away from
|
|
those programs that are being ported and updated, since we are lucky to
|
|
have them, but still they are so far a drop in the bucket as far as the
|
|
quantity of other such programs out there are concerned. We could sure use
|
|
a lot more of them. Also like you said, we shouldn't limit such projects to
|
|
the OS-9 software. I was mentioning this to someone in conference the other
|
|
night. I'm sure if we had people familiar with software from other platforms,
|
|
including Atari and Amiga computers, negtotiating with the authors, we
|
|
could gain several benefits, including possibly turning users of those systems
|
|
on to OS-9 when they see their favorite programs.
|
|
It is true that software authors have legitimate reasons for not wanting to
|
|
release code, but those who are familiar with the OS-9 community should know
|
|
there is not much to worry about. If Advertisements and documentation
|
|
pointed out that the original author was not involved with the program
|
|
from let's say Version 1.0 on up or whatever, it would probably clear a lot
|
|
of things up. If it was me personally, I wouldn't have any fears. Like you
|
|
said Randy and all the others have done the software justice
|
|
and from what I've heard from those who attended the fest, you won't
|
|
have any need to worry about the future reputation of OSterm :-)
|
|
|
|
I'm not saying this will be easy, as I'm sure it won't, but once the
|
|
resources and volunteers are available, it will make for a very good
|
|
OS-9 User Group project.
|
|
|
|
See Ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87585 27-MAY 23:13 General Information
|
|
Puppo interface
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
Hi Dennis, hows it going? You would have had a great time at the Fest.
|
|
Listen, Do you have an idea of how to hook up a puppo interface. I got it
|
|
at the Fest but had to take it down for the trip home. Now I can't get it
|
|
hooked up right. Maybe you could shed some light on this. Would appreciate
|
|
it much. Thanx Charlie
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87593 28-MAY 02:53 General Information
|
|
RE: Puppo interface (Re: Msg 87585)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
The Puppo simply connects to the keyboard connector, and you need
|
|
to also supply +5 and a Ground lead to it... The other lead goes to the
|
|
reset circuitry. To one end of a diode near the PAK connector. It is onlt
|
|
necessary if you want CRTL_ALT_DELETE reset capability.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87615 28-MAY 23:09 General Information
|
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RE: Puppo interface (Re: Msg 87593)
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From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
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Thanx Paul, that shouldn't be too hard to manage. I'll let you know how I
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made out. Charlie
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87659 31-MAY 01:06 General Information
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RE: Puppo interface (Re: Msg 87585)
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From: COCOKIWI To: CHARLESAM
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Talk to Marty..I,m not up on that one!<grin>
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Dennis
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End of Thread.
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87592 28-MAY 02:30 General Information
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RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87037)
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From: NEWKID To: DSRTFOX
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Thanks for the tip. Please leave pertinent info for me in mail. Thanks
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James
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87618 28-MAY 23:36 General Information
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RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87592)
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From: DSRTFOX To: NEWKID (NR)
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Send $15 ($12.50 + $2.50 s&h) to FARNA Systems, box 321, Warner Robins, GA
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31099. Thats for the quick reference guide for OS-9 level II and the patch disk
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set. Separately they are $7.50 each (plus the $2.50 s&h per order.. or $9.50
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each given two separate orders). I also have a QRG for OSK systems at $8.50 +
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$2.50 S&H.
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Running a special on that one now for $10 even.
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End of Thread.
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87594 28-MAY 08:27 General Information
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RE: TEAC drives (Re: Msg 87415)
|
|
From: ALWAGNER To: JHICKLE
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|
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PLEASE, do >>>NOT<<< attempt what you suggested!!! (Changing the heads
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from one drive to another.) Even if you were successful in getting the
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hardware to appear to mate with the new drive unless you have the special
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disk, the software to exercise the drive and more patience then the
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proverbial saint, you will not be able to realign the drive! Either put
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up with the noise or buy another drive and sell the noisy one to someone
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hard of hearing. I don't get up to Delphi as often as I would like as I
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don't live near enough to a node for it to be a local phone call. All my
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calls to Delphi are toll calls. As a result, I just read your message and
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|
I hope I'm not too late.
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AlWagner
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87699 1-JUN 23:03 General Information
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RE: TEAC drives (Re: Msg 87594)
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|
From: JHICKLE To: ALWAGNER (NR)
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Thanks for the warning. I probably should forget about converting my
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full-height drives to half-height, too, huh?
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End of Thread.
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87598 28-MAY 14:24 General Information
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Help ID-ing Sony Microphones
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From: MARTYGOODMAN To: ALL
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I recently acquired (for $15 total, on a whim) two Sony brand
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microphones.
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One is a Sony ECM-18 older, electret condenser mike, which came
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with a bizarre home-brew anti-vibration desk mount consisting of
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a tetrahedron of soldered heavy copper wire and a weird spiderweb
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of ribber band material supporting the microphone.
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The other is a rather new-appearing Sony F-98 "low impedance"
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cartioid microphone. It appears to be a dynamic type microphone.
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I got these at a local surplus outlet. Can you tell me
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anything about the quality or specs on these microphones?
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The ECM-18 has a balanced mike cord connector in it, the
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F-98 as an integral unbalance cord with 1/4 in phono plug at the end.
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|
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Any help in understanding what this mics are and where to best
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employ them would be appreciated.
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---marty
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87599 28-MAY 14:29 General Information
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XT Keyboard Key Codes needed
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|
From: BOISY To: ALL
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Hi All,
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I am in need of a text file which contains XT type keyboard keycodes
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that are returned when a key is typed. If someone could mail me this
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information on Delphi, it would be *MUCH* appreciated.
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Thanks.
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87600 28-MAY 16:43 General Information
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RE: XT Keyboard Key Codes needed (Re: Msg 87599)
|
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From: STEWARD To: BOISY
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|
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Although I don't know where a text file is at. I do remeber when I bought my
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keyboard a few years ago, it came with a sheet that showed the keycodes for it
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when in either xt or at mode. You might want to check out someplace that sells
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keyboards and see if they come with a sheet.
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Brian
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End of Thread.
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87603 28-MAY 19:01 General Information
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Internet
|
|
From: ETJ To: ALL
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I am trying my hand at Internet. I understand that I must have Comm program
|
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that imulates a VT100. I am using supercomm v2.2 which is ASCII. Could
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someone point me in the dieection that will solve this problem. It appears
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that I need to change comm prograsams or is there a fix for supercomm.
|
|
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Ed Johnson
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87614 28-MAY 22:57 General Information
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RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87603)
|
|
From: CHYDE To: ETJ
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|
|
|
KbCom, which is in the database here has a very good VT100 emulation (it's
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|
also a very good terminal program I use it myself <g>).
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Chris
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87631 29-MAY 11:12 General Information
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|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87603)
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ETJ
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|
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|
> I am trying my hand at Internet. I understand that I must have Comm
|
|
> program that imulates a VT100. I am using supercomm v2.2 which is ASCII.
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> Could someone point me in the dieection that will solve this problem. It
|
|
> appears that I need to change comm prograsams or is there a fix for
|
|
> supercomm. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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|
|
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Depends on what you want to do in the Internet. If all you are going to be
|
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doing is FTP, then you do not need a VT100 emulator. The problem comes in
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if you want to TELNET out to another computer.
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------------------------------------
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|
Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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|
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87632 29-MAY 11:33 General Information
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|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87614)
|
|
From: ETJ To: CHYDE (NR)
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|
|
|
Chris:
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|
|
|
Thanks for the reply. I will look into KbCom.
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|
|
|
Ed Johnson
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|
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|
87633 29-MAY 11:38 General Information
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RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87631)
|
|
From: ETJ To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|
|
|
Zack:
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|
|
|
Thanks for the reply. I will try the FTP route as well as I will look
|
|
at KbCom as Chris suggested.
|
|
|
|
Ed Johnson
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|
-*-
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|
87646 30-MAY 06:09 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87603)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: ETJ
|
|
|
|
> I am trying my hand at Internet. I understand that I must have Comm
|
|
> program that imulates a VT100. I am using supercomm v2.2 which is ASCII.
|
|
> Could someone point me in the dieection that will solve this problem. It
|
|
> appears that I need to change comm prograsams or is there a fix for
|
|
> supercomm. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
|
|
|
|
Another program that is in the databases (I think) is called vt100, it
|
|
not only emulates vt100 but vt220 and others. It is not a smart term
|
|
like kbcom is, no extras, but it is small and can be ran at the same
|
|
time as Supercomm.
|
|
|
|
Jim
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|
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-8am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 8am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|
=============================================================================
|
|
Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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|
|
|
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|
|
87647 30-MAY 20:10 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87646)
|
|
From: ISC To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
Jim,
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|
|
|
A good way to use Supercomm on the internet is to use the ALT-T option and
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|
select ANSI as your terminal emulation. Works for me!
|
|
|
|
Bill
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|
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|
-*-
|
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|
|
87661 31-MAY 02:11 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87647)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: ISC
|
|
|
|
> A good way to use Supercomm on the internet is to use the ALT-T option
|
|
> and select ANSI as your terminal emulation. Works for me!
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|
|
|
The ANSI option in Supercomm is only a subset of VT100. It works for
|
|
some internet systems but not all. IRC does not work at all, neithor
|
|
does the Talk command (on Infonet).
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|
|
|
For those systems that don't work with Supercomm I use VT100 at the
|
|
same time as running SC, or I run KBCom if I need to capture VT100
|
|
sessions (such as chats).
|
|
|
|
Jim
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|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87689 1-JUN 04:30 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87661)
|
|
From: ISC To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
Jim,
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|
|
|
I hate to disagree with you, but I use the ANSI option in Supercomm
|
|
in IRC chat all the time...no problem. I have not tried the talk command
|
|
on Infonet, but I will. Here is my system:
|
|
|
|
|
|
Most of my patched modules come from the patch disk I got from Rick
|
|
Ulland of CoNect. I am also using an SC II 4 in 1 interface from
|
|
Disto and the edition 9 clock module available here in the database.
|
|
|
|
Bill
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87726 2-JUN 21:42 General Information
|
|
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87614)
|
|
From: ETJ To: CHYDE (NR)
|
|
|
|
Chris:
|
|
|
|
I now have KBCOM out of the Shareware database. I would like to upgrade to
|
|
this program. Is it better to go directly to the comerical version? I can't
|
|
understand how to set up the shareware version so that I can capture data
|
|
such as forum messages and read/reply later. In addition I don't know how to
|
|
set the program up for downloading with xmodem-1000 or ymodem. I have rz
|
|
sz out of the data base but it doesn't help me too much from an ignorance
|
|
factor. I have never used an imulation program before and there is a lot
|
|
of greek in them words that I am reading. For instance I don't know what
|
|
an extension is or how to create one. If the commercial version would
|
|
help me increase my knowledge a little more painlessly I would be willing
|
|
to give it a try unless the cost is outragerious. Could you tell me if the
|
|
commerical version is still available, Who is now selling it and a phone
|
|
number and address if possible. Chris any help you or anyone else give me
|
|
will be greatly appreciated.
|
|
|
|
Ed
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87612 28-MAY 22:34 General Information
|
|
Old conference schedule.
|
|
From: AYUSKO To: GREGL
|
|
|
|
Greg, the conference banner still lists December dates. Maybe it should be fixed
|
|
|
|
?
|
|
Alex A. Yusko (AYUSKO)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87624 29-MAY 08:25 General Information
|
|
MECI #86 catolog
|
|
From: DONALDS To: MARTYGOODMAN
|
|
|
|
Marty; I just recieved the above catalog from Mendelson Electronics,
|
|
and on page 1 and on the back page the have advertized a 19" sony monitor
|
|
that has RGB plus composite out puts for computer use. Do you know anything
|
|
about this monitor as to if the RGB out put can be used with COCO III?
|
|
Don
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87636 29-MAY 15:07 General Information
|
|
RE: MECI #86 catolog (Re: Msg 87624)
|
|
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: DONALDS
|
|
|
|
I've used Sony TV's with the CoCo 3 RGB analog output in the past.
|
|
These were the KV1311CR and KV2011CR, which were both predecessors
|
|
of Sony's XBR series... top of the line home TVs at the time.
|
|
Those had a 34 pin RGB video connector that had all sorts of
|
|
weird stuff on it (audio, audio signal control lines, RGB / video
|
|
switching control lines) as well as RGB analog inputs.
|
|
|
|
The WORD "RGB" is not enough to tell you if that monitor
|
|
supports the RGB of the CoCo 3. In this case, while we can be
|
|
pretty certain the monitor supports 15.75 KHz sync rate, what
|
|
we DON'T know is whether the "RGB" involves is analog or some sort
|
|
of digital RGB (such as CGA). If you can determine that the "RGB"
|
|
in question IS analog RGB, THEN I'd be virtually certain that you
|
|
CAN use the monitor to good effect with the CoCo 3.
|
|
|
|
You may have to make a custom cable for it, and may even have
|
|
to mess with the sync lines, to get things to work... but that's
|
|
VERY easy to do. I can help there, if you are not up to the task.
|
|
For the Sony KV series I made hundreds of custom cables for
|
|
individuals and dealers. Those cables required sync fixing...
|
|
I used a TTL logic chip (74LS02) to combine the CoCo's positive H
|
|
and V syncs into a single negative combined sync line, for the Sonys
|
|
wanted negative combined sync information, not separate postive sync.
|
|
The circuit is trivial... just run H and V sync into the two inputs
|
|
of one of the four NOR gates on the 74LS02... and use the OUTPUT
|
|
of that gate as combined negative sync!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hope this reply helps... let me know if you get more info on that monitor.
|
|
|
|
---marty
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87710 2-JUN 10:14 General Information
|
|
RE: MECI #86 catolog (Re: Msg 87636)
|
|
From: DONALDS To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
|
|
|
|
Thanks marty , That is exactly what I was looking for in info on the
|
|
monitor.
|
|
Don
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|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
|
|
87625 29-MAY 09:03 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87482)
|
|
From: DISTO To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
Don't know! -Tony
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
87627 29-MAY 09:05 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87522)
|
|
From: DISTO To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
I am glad that you didn't have to wait for someone that never came. When I got
|
|
home, I made a bunch of calls. I didn't know if any of them got through. -Tony.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87628 29-MAY 09:07 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87490)
|
|
From: DISTO To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
As far as I know, I should still be able to ship stuff. We'll see as I fill out
|
|
my next order. -Tony.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87630 29-MAY 09:56 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87625)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: DISTO
|
|
|
|
Next time,, git'chur self a straw hat. Pin a buncha fishing flies on it.
|
|
With a coupla poles sticking outta theh back window.
|
|
An,, just tell'em "them derned Americans, came up and caught all the fish,
|
|
and you going too Minnasota, to get even"!
|
|
|
|
ally too bad,, if driving I'd suppose it'ud depend on the:
|
|
mood/ gender/ & <g> time of the month of the particular border person.
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87639 29-MAY 20:30 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87482)
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87641 29-MAY 22:00 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87639)
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: CLTUCKER
|
|
|
|
Your message 87639 to me was empty, care to try again?
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87652 30-MAY 21:47 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87641)
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
No message MRGOOD. Just a BLURB.(heh)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87667 31-MAY 19:09 General Information
|
|
RE: No Show to Fest (Re: Msg 87630)
|
|
From: DISTO To: MRUPGRADE
|
|
|
|
Could be.... -Tony.
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
87629 29-MAY 09:13 General Information
|
|
Puppo Interface
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
Paul, I connected the board up with five volts(4.90) and all I get is a
|
|
digitalized picture of three guys. There doesn't seem to be any power going to
|
|
the keyboard, no response at all. Its driving me crazy cause it worked fine
|
|
when I hooked it up at the motel. I was using it for hours. I took it down to
|
|
transport home. I'm lost now as to where to go from here. Is there a way to
|
|
trouble shoot this to see if there is a blown chip? Thanx Charlie
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87634 29-MAY 12:22 General Information
|
|
RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87629)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Hm... Don't know... Try disconnecting the reset lead... I no longer have
|
|
my Puppo/CoCo, or the docs. If you did blow a chip on it, most of them are
|
|
easily obtaiable, and fairly cheep (I completely rebuilt mine at one time
|
|
when I had problem, which, ended up actually being a dead keyboard instead)
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87635 29-MAY 12:51 General Information
|
|
RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87634)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
The vendor that sold it to me is suppose to forward the docs. I guess I'll
|
|
wait till then. BTW, I'm using a Tandy enhanced keyboard. Its suppose to
|
|
emulate the keyboard this puppo unit is designed for. What is the name of
|
|
that keyboard? Just in case I have to get one should this one be dead.
|
|
Again thanx, Charlie
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87656 31-MAY 00:05 General Information
|
|
RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87635)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Just thought I'd mention that the Sept '93 issue of '68 Micros had an
|
|
article on the Puppo keyboard. If you don't subscribe, check with DSRTFOX,
|
|
I'm sure he could ship you a copy. It might help you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
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-*-
|
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|
|
87674 31-MAY 21:01 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87656)
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From: CHARLESAM To: DBREEDING
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Ah, I do have all copies of 68 Micros. I'll take a look. Thanx alot.
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Charlie
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87675 31-MAY 21:02 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87635)
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From: HAWKSOFT To: CHARLESAM
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Just to put in my 2 cents worth. As I recall the puppo needs more than
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+5 volts. That's why the regulator and heat sink. I was designed to pull
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power from the +9 or so instead of the already well loaded +5 line. The docs
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say to connect it to the cathode (banded end) of diode D1. The boys show
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up if the interface is not getting power. Also I have an old Eagle keyboard
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that came with it originally, but, switched the puppo rom to one that works
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with a standard keyboard. The control keys are different.
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Chris
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:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
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Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87678 31-MAY 21:29 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87675)
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From: CHARLESAM To: HAWKSOFT
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Thanx Chris, I thought thats where it was when they hooked it up in Chicago.
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Problem is that even when I hook it up there, I still get the THREE. Maybe
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the keyboard went but I'm inclined to think its a problem with the puppo.
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Could you give me an idea which chip could go cause the appearance of
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the THREE. I can't get them off. Charlie
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87687 1-JUN 00:41 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87675)
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From: MITHELEN To: HAWKSOFT
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Ah... Ya... Just goes to show ya how long it has been since I had my CoCo
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(It does have a happy new owner though) My whole system was repackaged
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into a Baby AT case, and natuarally, I hacked the Puppo to take its power
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directly from the PC Power supply... Thanks for the corrected info Chris.
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--
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Paul
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87688 1-JUN 00:43 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87635)
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From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
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BTW, did you try takeing the reset lead off? Does the THREE still appear when
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you
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do so? if so, then it is a problem on the CoCo MB instead.
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Paul
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87702 1-JUN 23:19 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87688)
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From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN (NR)
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Yeah Gene, I tried everything. If it is the coco mother board, it doesn't
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show up when I put back my old setup. Nothing else is amiss. I would
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expect if there was trouble with the coco, something else would bomb.
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No? Anyway, if you read my messages to Gene(WATV5), you'll see I'm
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up to my A__ with Nitros9. I'll get it now but darn, its a trip. When
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I get it done I'll get back to the keyboard again. If thats not
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enough to keep me busy, I expect a two meg upgrade soon, so I'll
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have to go back and patch some more. I LOVE IT!!!! Drive me crazy
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with problem after problem and I keep coming back for more. Thanx Paul
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Charlie
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87719 2-JUN 20:42 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87678)
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From: HAWKSOFT To: CHARLESAM
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Charlie:
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> THREE. Maybe the keyboard went but I'm inclined to think its a problem
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> with the puppo. Could you give me an idea which chip could go cause the
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> appearance of the THREE. I can't get them off. Charlie
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>
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Don't have a clue (the puppo is one of the few things I havn't messed
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with). The thing I remembered is that when I forget to hook up the power
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clip and then put the AT case back together and pwered-up, all I got was
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The THREE MUGateers! Are you sure you have a good ground?? That will cause
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no power (and the three) as well.
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Chris
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:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
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Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87720 2-JUN 20:42 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87687)
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From: HAWKSOFT To: MITHELEN (NR)
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Yeah Paul:
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I modified mine for the AT case. That's why I remembered where it used
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to go!!
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Chris
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:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
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Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87725 2-JUN 21:34 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87702)
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From: JRUPPEL To: CHARLESAM
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Man, can I relate to that! I just got done installing a 2-meg and a 6309 and
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am now repacking into a tower. I'm having power supply problems now, after
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having to replace my Coco bus witha ribbon cable because the plug went bad.
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two weeks deglitching that, now the repack....
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I LOVE IT!
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John (going Coconuts in Lansing)
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87730 2-JUN 23:10 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87719)
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From: CHARLESAM To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
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I'll check my connections next time I hook it up. I'm in the middle of
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installing
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software right now. Thanx Chris
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87731 2-JUN 23:12 General Information
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RE: Puppo Interface (Re: Msg 87725)
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From: CHARLESAM To: JRUPPEL (NR)
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Yeah! Give me a coco headache anyday. You sound like your having a good ole
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time. Keep on trucken, the CoCo Lives on! Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87640 29-MAY 20:51 OSK Applications
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Cumana/OSK for Atari-ST: working, but st
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From: PAULSENIURA To: ALL
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Hello people, got some good news. I can actually use Cumana/OSK v2.3
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for Atari-ST on my ICD hard drives now! Even boot up from it!
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But... y'all might remember how Seagate put some kind of "feature"
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into their SCSI drives (the older ones at least): If ya don't access
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the drive after a while, it'll "go to sleep". Do any of y'all
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remember how to deal with this "feature"? It's actually causing OSK
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to freeze-up when I try to access the drive after it's done that...
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and I hafta reboot it all up again just so to reset it.
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I've zapped the word at offset $8DC in the STHD driver from $0080 to
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$2080 -- that has seemed to fix my original "Not Ready" errors just
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fine. (FYI: My STHD is Size=$A9C, Edition=$1F, Revision=$00,
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original CRC=$C45E91.) My ST has FasTech's Turbo16 CPU upgrade in it
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(16MHz with instruction cache that can't be turned off). Should I
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make this "delay value" even larger?
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I've already patched the device descriptors to have a huge PD_Trys
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value (offset $60 in the descriptor = "number of times a device will
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try to access a disk before returning an error"). Setting this to a
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$01 says only One Try and No Retries. Setting this to $00 is saying
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to use whatever the Driver (STHD) wants to do as a Default (even if it
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doesn't want to). Also "any other value" says to use this Default.
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(Cumana sent me a OSK Tech Manual for v2.1 and not for v2.3, darn it,
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so that's all I know what to try next.)
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Right now all my /Hx & /DD things have PD_Trys set to $77 just in case
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the driver I got will "honor" this many retries. But it isn't...
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After not exercizing the drive for a while, then accessing it, I'm
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still getting Error #000:246 (Not Ready). If I access it again right
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after that error, the system stays locked up (while the STCON cursor
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continues to flash!), and the drive's LED stays lit solid 'til I
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reboot (powering off/on the drive [only] doesn't help either). I.e. a
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Ctrl+C can't get me out of a 'DIR', for example.
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ICD's own drivers (for "native" ST TOS/GEM) deal with this problem
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just fine: With their v6.4.3 driver, you can set the number of
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retries up to 4. I've not had any trouble with ICD this way running
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this very same h.d. when it goes to sleep like this. (You can tell it
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is retrying, however; and it's recovering & resetting itself just
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fine.)
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So I need the same "recovery" for Cumana/OSK v2.3 in this STHD
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module.
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Yeah, this is *so* irritating... If & whenever I can get this fixed
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in the STHD driver, I'll post everything in a synopsis so y'all will
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know what to do to make any make/model drive and your ICD interface
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work _reliably_ with OSK. (Could even put it into the FAQ.)
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Thank you a bunch for your time -- we're getting close but still no
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cigar!
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-- Paul Seniura (from Oklahoma City)
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Internet: PaulSeniura@delphi.com
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(p.s. Please respond via private e-mail as I don't get to access this
|
|
place very often. Also let me know if it's okay to mention your info
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& name in a public post for my synopsis later.)
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87644 29-MAY 23:48 Telecom (6809)
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RE: Supercomm... (Re: Msg 87214)
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From: 10BAUD To: DBREEDING
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Oh yeah--the ^C problem. Some one here on Delphi gave me the
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solution to that one,too. I run osterm from the following
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procedure file:
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t
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chd /d0/USR/DLD/telcom/WORK
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display c
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tmode .1 abort=0 quit=0
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load osterm&
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osterm </1
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tmode .1 abort=3 quit=5
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|
|
The "abort=0" in the tmode command prevents the operating system
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from intercepting the control-c character allowing osterm send it
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to delphi.
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|
|
|
Another solution to that problem is to get to an os9 prompt (by using
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|
the shell command or the clear key to get to another window) and
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|
typeing:
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|
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|
display 03 >/t2
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|
|
|
You're right that it could use a few touch ups, but by now, it feels
|
|
to me like the software equivalent of an old comfortable sweater.
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|
And I just make allowances :>
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87658 31-MAY 00:07 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Supercomm... (Re: Msg 87644)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: 10BAUD (NR)
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|
|
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> Oh yeah--the ^C problem. Some one here on Delphi gave me the
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|
> solution to that one,too. I run osterm from the following
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> procedure file:
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> ...
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> The "abort=0" in the tmode command prevents the operating system
|
|
> from intercepting the control-c character allowing osterm send it
|
|
> to delphi.
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I never had any problem with it being intercepted, I just sent it from
|
|
the keyboard and then let the autodialer do the rest. I just could not
|
|
get the control sequence to work from a macro.
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|
|
|
> You're right that it could use a few touch ups, but by now, it feels
|
|
> to me like the software equivalent of an old comfortable sweater.
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|
> And I just make allowances :>
|
|
|
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I like it too. And as you say, it is pretty comfortable.
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Also I guess any software you name has something somewhere that could be
|
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fixed. I know "we" can always find something that could be done better <G>.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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End of Thread.
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|
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87645 30-MAY 00:08 General Information
|
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Nitros9
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
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|
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|
I got my Nitros9 patch disks at the Fest. Now when I check my modules in
|
|
my bootfile, I find that I have no match for several mods. I can't find
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|
a match for os9p3, cc3io, cc3disk, and the clock module for smartwatch.
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|
If anyone has been through, and I'm sure there are a few, any help here
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|
in finding the matching mods for nitros9 would be appreciated. There are
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|
other patches like cmds and extra that I can't match either but I don't
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think they are as important. Thanx Charlie
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87650 30-MAY 20:28 General Information
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RE: Nitros9 (Re: Msg 87645)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
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I don't think my OS9p3 is patched either, and I don't think it needs to be
|
|
to function just fine. CC3io has so many variations we'll never get them
|
|
all! Mines as oddball as they come, its been patched for the seriel mouse.
|
|
CC3Disk... Unless you are running an aftermarket controller, whats going
|
|
on is that probably its been modified for quicker motors/step etc. Go
|
|
back to the distribution disks and get that one. The aftermarket stuffs
|
|
have been pretty well covered tho. My disto no-halt (SCII) runs great.
|
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SmartWatch... I don't think thats covered in what I've got here either, and
|
|
without that, you're not gonna get it to run. I'm not familiar with it
|
|
either unfortch. Can ya bring me up to date on the hardware it uses?
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Cheers Charley, Gene
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87654 30-MAY 22:37 General Information
|
|
RE: Nitros9 (Re: Msg 87650)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5
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|
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|
As I said in an earlier message, I got most of what I need. I'll leave
|
|
os9p3 out if I have to. The smartwatch is in my Disto SCII, piggybacked.
|
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Thats all I can tell you now. There is a clock for it, probably in database
|
|
here. I just got to find it. The rest I found. But for now its elimentary.
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First I got to get back into my HD... Charlie
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87679 31-MAY 21:56 General Information
|
|
RE: Nitros9 (Re: Msg 87654)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
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|
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os9p3 is the error reporter, and as far as I know, will run in a nitro
|
|
system as is. Lemme see mine a sec. Yeah, its $141 long, with a crc=$1136EC.
|
|
If thats the same one you've got, runs just fine in a Nitro system.
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|
Cheers & hope you get that attr on grfdrv fixed. Gene
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87698 1-JUN 23:02 General Information
|
|
RE: Nitros9 (Re: Msg 87679)
|
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From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5 (NR)
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Yeah, I got back after making a new boot disk. I'll keep this disk for
|
|
future blunders(and we know there will be many) so that I won't have to
|
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do again. I copy your statements on os9p3. This is what I've been doing
|
|
wrong. After the original patch pass, I gathered all the modules that
|
|
needed a different version until I had a complete os9boot patched. I
|
|
went crazy trying to figure out why it won't boot. It finally dawned
|
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on me that my bootfile might be good(patched) but my kernel in memory
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wasn't. So now I have a patched kernel in a file in my root directory
|
|
of my bootdisk and I'm trying to figure how to put the kernel and
|
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os9boot together on track 34 where they belong. I tried the util
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|
called kwikboot but it does work the way I want which is to overwrite
|
|
the existing kernel(unpatched) with my patched version. Of course
|
|
there is another tedious way. Gather all the patchable modules in a
|
|
new boot, boot it up and let nitros find all good patchable mods
|
|
and create a new boot that way. This is not easy. Thanx Gene for all
|
|
your help. Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87648 30-MAY 20:10 General Information
|
|
Club flyers
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL GROUPS (NR)
|
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|
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Anyone in a CoCo club,, who would like some "MI&CC" flyers, leave me
|
|
your address in E-Mail,, and I'll send some for your next meet. With
|
|
members troughout theh US & Canada + stretching from Austrailia, to
|
|
England,,, we lik to at least have e member from your group to recieve our
|
|
UPGRADE Newsdisk.
|
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Both our OS-9 Library and support,, has been commended by our present
|
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members.
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Terry Simons treas/ Editor for "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo".
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87651 30-MAY 20:42 System Modules (6809)
|
|
Ramdisk
|
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From: WDTV5 To: ALL
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|
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I'm in the middle of doing a fresh ramdisk for the os-9'ers, based VERY
|
|
loosely on the devpack version but capable of useing ram up to the amount
|
|
in the machine even if its a 2 megger!
|
|
I started on this because the compiler chokes if /r0 isn't iniz'ed first,
|
|
thinking that was a bug. Well it is and it isn't. OS-9 is doing that to
|
|
us as it does its own "iniz" on the module if it hasn't been already,
|
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then allows the write of a file to the ramdisk without reporting any
|
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errors. Unforch, if it self initialized it, it also de-inits it at the
|
|
end of the write! So the file is lost, and c.pass1 (ansifront) can't
|
|
find the output from c.prep. I want to stop that, effectivly making the
|
|
ramdisk refuse to deinit if the directory isn't empty. I'm torn between
|
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using the regular error paths to report it, or just outputting the
|
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phrase "the root dir isn't empty" on stderr. If I use an error number,
|
|
then the compiler and other progs will probably choke on it anyway when
|
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in fact they could keep on truckin! So I need some input, what do tou
|
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all (you) want it to do. The choices are to ignore it without errors, and
|
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let you folks learn to delete all files before deiniting, haveing an
|
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error mesage pop up at odd times, or returning a process killing error.
|
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What'll it be folks?
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Cheers all, Gene
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87655 30-MAY 22:48 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87651)
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
For one who has run up on several problems due to lazy ramdisk etiquette, I
|
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for one would like a ramdisk to doesn't go away and won't choke the process
|
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I'm running to death if I forget to iniz or forget to empty it before I shut
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|
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it down. Also, my ramdisk is buggy running Supercomm. It goes south even if I
|
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don't forget to set it up before using it. Dmode returns a disk sector count
|
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of over 13 MILLION! I'm running Powerboost, BTW, with a 2-megger.
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|
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John Ruppel
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87663 31-MAY 02:26 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87655)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: WDTV5
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|
|
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The only "problem" i see with you idea, is that being able to deiniz the ram
|
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disk, even with a bunch of file on it, is a goo way to "reformat" it, or
|
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delete a lot of junk files that may have been left on it...
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87680 31-MAY 22:08 System Modules (6809)
|
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87655)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: JRUPPEL
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|
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You're doing something I've not done, use the ramdisk as a dl catcher. I
|
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always goto the default dir option I'v got programmed into SC23 here.
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Which is direct to my hard drive as i figure if I don't like it, theres
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always that 'del' I wrote to handle bad puppies. So I can't define by my
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own experience whether or not the ramdisk is flakey when running SC.
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However, I will check into that before I'm done. Right now, whats happening
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to the ramdisk if you forget to Iniz it is that os9 iniz's it just long
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enough to allow an error free copy into it to take place, but as soon as
|
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the copy operation is done, os9's internal link count for that device goes
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back to zero so os9 deinits the darned thiing. Increasing the link count
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in the root directories FD sector does NOT tell os9 to leave it alone.
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According to what I'm reading, and my interpretation of same, if the link
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count is greater than 0, it should leave it alone. It don't, needless to
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say. I may be able to diddle os9's own copy of that link count but so far
|
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have not investigated that path yet, time constraints and all that.
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On another tack, I did figure out how to divide my golf score by 3 legally.
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Easy when you're in a "best ball" tournament with the 2 top players around.
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I guess putting up with me was their pennance for something or other, but
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we did make enough to get our entry fee back! Small town golf course &
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|
CC. Cheers John, Gene
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|
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87681 31-MAY 22:13 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87663)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: MITHELEN
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Maybe, but thats poor housekeeping too. Yeah, I know, if forgetting to iniz
|
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it is poor housekeeping, then I'm guilty many times. But if it refuses to
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deinit from either the os9 automatic, or from the deinit command until its
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empty, to me that would be much the lesser of the evils. If I do that, I
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think that instead of attempting to define a new error code, I'd have it
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|
spit out a short msg via stderr, clean up the carry and B reg and return
|
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with no error to report. That would depend on something to display the msg
|
|
sitting on the stderr path, but we have that 90+% of the time anyway.
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Not fixed yet, not even a general shape in warm butter! Still looking
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for input on this. Anybody else got 2 cents worth?
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Cheers Paul, Gene
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87690 1-JUN 20:31 System Modules (6809)
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|
RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87680)
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From: JRUPPEL To: WDTV5 (NR)
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I just got a hard drive at the Fest, so I'll probably be using that as soon as
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I figure wht's wrong with my repack. I think I have my power connected wrong,
|
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but I'm not sure.
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|
The last best ball tourney I got into, I shot the best round in the group...we
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got the Boobie prize...a foot mashie in commemoration of the fact that our
|
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threesome played the entire 18 holes from the rough and the sand <G>
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I'll keep ya posted on further developements in the never-ending quest for the
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|
ULTIMATE COCO!
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|
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John
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End of Thread.
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87665 31-MAY 02:40 Programmers Den
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multi-vue
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|
From: CURTPANTLE To: ALL
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|
|
|
I wrote a short C program and "#include"ed wind.h, stdmenu.h, mouse.h and
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buffs.h. When I tried to compile it, I got the following error messages:
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|
|
|
stdmenu
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|
line 60: identifier missing and ; expected
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sizeof(_tanitms)/sizeof(_tanitms[0]),1,0,0,_tanitms
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mouse.h
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line 22: identifier missing
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pt_res;
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line 27: too many brackets
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} MSRET;
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The code on my disk files is the same as the code in the Multi-Vue manual, p
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10-65 thru 10-72. Does anyone know the source of the errors?
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87668 31-MAY 19:57 Programmers Den
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RE: multi-vue (Re: Msg 87665)
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|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: CURTPANTLE
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|
You may need to include stdio.h first.
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|
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------------------------------------
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
|
|
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87686 1-JUN 00:28 Programmers Den
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|
RE: multi-vue (Re: Msg 87668)
|
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From: CURTPANTLE To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|
|
|
Zack,
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|
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.h as the first "#include" -- tried changing the order
|
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of the included header files and the mouse.h error dropped out but
|
|
I got errors for my program code, which I know is right. Something's
|
|
still missing!
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Curt
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|
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-*-
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|
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|
End of Thread.
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|
87666 31-MAY 18:50 General Information
|
|
question - mabey
|
|
From: PAUL8 To: ALL
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|
|
|
A friend of mine has a used RS PC, but wrote a program in basic. I asked him
|
|
to give me a 3.5 disk of the program and someone here may see if it can be
|
|
used for OS9. I doubt that the above is possible, but if he gives me the
|
|
program, I will try to upload it to see what you think unless told otherwise
|
|
by a Sysop. I realize this is OS9, but he has in enexpensive RS (so he says)
|
|
and wrote the program in basic.
|
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|
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Paul
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|
|
87676 31-MAY 21:03 OSK Applications
|
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G-Windows
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|
From: HAWKSOFT To: FHOGG
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|
|
|
Hi Frank!
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|
|
|
Thanks for the replacement disk! G-Windows is now running fine, except!
|
|
I'm having some problems with the file-recognizer. I wrote a recognizer to
|
|
use with sound files, and, it doesn't work. But, neither do the three
|
|
included with G-Windows. Any un-recognized file is shown as binary and
|
|
the information menu says that the file type is 'umacs <>>>/win &'. Looks
|
|
like a problem parsing the list within desktop. (I did a little fiddling).
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|
|
|
Anyway, did you shake that file loose from Delphi yet??? <g>
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|
Chris
|
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|
|
|
|
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
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|
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
|
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|
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******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >******************
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|
-*-
|
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|
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87682 31-MAY 22:37 Programmers Den
|
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os9p3
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
I'm afraid I may have tossed out a pretty bad curve with that last msg
|
|
regarding os9p3. It turns out that the one I have in memory has been stretched
|
|
by one byte at some time back about the kt boundary in an attempt to de-blob
|
|
the system, and has since propagated down thru all the boot disks I've made
|
|
since then. The real size of every copy of os9p3 (includeing from the
|
|
NITRO directories) is $140 (320 decinal) and the crc is $3B3304. It hasn't
|
|
des that I know of. Sorry about the
|
|
confusion that $141 long os9p3 may have caused, its local to my system,
|
|
and not valid as an indicator of being nitro'd. Cheers Charley, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87683 31-MAY 22:49 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: os9p3 (Re: Msg 87682)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I just checked, there is an "upgrade". It doesn't do sqwat! It ups
|
|
the at/rv from 81 to 82, fixes the header parity and crc. Absolutley no
|
|
actual change in the modules code, none, nada, zip, all balls. us it as is.
|
|
S/B use it as is. Cheers Charley, Gene
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87700 1-JUN 23:08 Programmers Den
|
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RE: os9p3 (Re: Msg 87682)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5 (NR)
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I got that. I don't know if after I get this os9boot with kernel
|
|
together....if I won't have blob troubles too. For awhile yesterday,
|
|
I was sure that was the problem. But even after I took steps to avoid
|
|
it, I still didn't boot. Thats when I reviewed my steps and figured
|
|
out my mistake. Thanx Charlie
|
|
PS How can I pad a module by one byte? That also eludes me. I have dEd.
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|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
-*-
|
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|
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87694 1-JUN 21:05 Programmers Den
|
|
rule for blackjack
|
|
From: PAGAN To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Does anyone out there know what the rules are for "insurance" and "double
|
|
down" in blackjack are? I noticed them on the pocket game my daughter plays
|
|
with and thought maybe I should add them to my program.
|
|
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|
|
|
Intel - putting the boredom back into computing!
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
87707 2-JUN 01:56 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: rule for blackjack (Re: Msg 87694)
|
|
From: CURTPANTLE To: PAGAN
|
|
|
|
Yep, at least for Las Vegas blackjack. You can make an insurance bet
|
|
any time the dealer has an ace for the upcard. If the dealer has 21,
|
|
the player gets twice the amount of the insurance bet. If the dealer
|
|
does not have 21, the player loses the insurance bet. The player's
|
|
insurance bet can only be half the original bet. Example: Player's
|
|
original bet is $10. Dealer has ace upcard. Player makes insurance
|
|
bet of $5. Dealer has 21 -- player gets $10; no 21 -- player loses
|
|
$5.
|
|
|
|
Player can double down, that is, double the original bet on any two
|
|
cards. Then the player receives only one more card and the player's
|
|
card count must beat the dealer's card count for a win.
|
|
|
|
Hope this helps, can go into more detail if you like.
|
|
|
|
Curt
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87709 2-JUN 07:08 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: rule for blackjack (Re: Msg 87694)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: PAGAN
|
|
|
|
> Does anyone out there know what the rules are for "insurance" and "double
|
|
> down" in blackjack are?
|
|
|
|
Ack...I knew once, but I've forgotten. Paperback copies of Hoyle should be
|
|
readily available, though, and one would think that they'd have the details.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87738 3-JUN 02:27 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: rule for blackjack (Re: Msg 87707)
|
|
From: PAGAN To: CURTPANTLE
|
|
|
|
Curt,
|
|
|
|
Sure does help, thanks. Let me recap the algorithm briefly to make sure I
|
|
understand:
|
|
|
|
Insurance:
|
|
|
|
1. Dealer has ace showing. Else go to 4
|
|
|
|
2. Player can place a bet of 1/2 his original bet that the dealer
|
|
has a "natural" (21). Rounded up or down?
|
|
|
|
3. If dealer has 21 the player recovers the insurance bet and is paid
|
|
twice that amount by the house. Else the insurance bet belongs
|
|
to the computer.
|
|
|
|
4. play proceeds normally.
|
|
|
|
This changes things a bit since the version of Hoyle I based the program on
|
|
says the dealer wins automatically if he has a 21.
|
|
|
|
Double down:
|
|
|
|
1. Player doubles bet right after deal is done. Takes one more card.
|
|
|
|
2. Player's turns ends.
|
|
|
|
3. Play proceeds normally
|
|
|
|
I assume that this is only invoked if the player has 11 in his hand. It
|
|
doesn't make much sense otherwise.
|
|
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|
|
|
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
|
| Nature is not benevolent; Nature is just, gives pound for pound, measure |
|
|
| for measure, makes no exceptions, never tempers her decrees with mercy, |
|
|
| or winks at any infringment of her laws. - John Burroughs |
|
|
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87739 3-JUN 02:27 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: rule for blackjack (Re: Msg 87709)
|
|
From: PAGAN To: JEJONES (NR)
|
|
|
|
|
|
>Paperback copies of Hoyle should be readily available, though, and one would
|
|
>think that they'd have the details.
|
|
|
|
I based the program on a paperback version of Hoyle. Of course, the
|
|
inscription "To Fred from Wilma" should have clued me that there might be
|
|
some postdiluvian variants not included <g>.
|
|
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|
|
|
+-----------------------------------+
|
|
| Let Accuracy triumph over Victory |
|
|
+-----------------------------------+
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87740 3-JUN 03:05 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: rule for blackjack (Re: Msg 87738)
|
|
From: CURTPANTLE To: PAGAN (NR)
|
|
|
|
Stehen,
|
|
|
|
Your algorithmns are perfectly correct. On an insurance bet the dealer
|
|
will make change in quarters so that the player can make the bet exactly
|
|
half of the original bet. Most players take the insurance bet (it's
|
|
actually just an extra bet) if they have 21. If the dealer has 21,
|
|
the player will win the insurance bet, but "push", that is get back his
|
|
original bet. If the dealer does not have 21, the player loses the
|
|
insurance bet, but wins his original bet, since the player has 21. In
|
|
this sense then it's an insurance bet for the player who has 21, because
|
|
the player will win the hand regardless of what the dealer has.
|
|
|
|
On the double down most players will always double if they have 11 as you
|
|
are saying. However, if the dealer has an upcard that is not a ten,
|
|
most players will double down in this situation.
|
|
|
|
Anyway, these are rules of strategy rather than rules of play. Speaking
|
|
of books on card rules, there are books that lay out what is called
|
|
basic strategy. Basic strategy is a set of decision-making rules for
|
|
the player that determines the player's course of action depending on
|
|
the player's card count and the dealer's upcard. Basic strategy in
|
|
many cases was devised by a computer program that did three things:
|
|
|
|
1. implemented the game according to the rules of play
|
|
|
|
2. automated the game to play thousands of hands automatically with
|
|
the player's decisions being made according to a set of rules
|
|
|
|
3. kept track of the outcomes so that the success of the player
|
|
could be determined in accord with which set of rules were being used
|
|
for the player's decisions
|
|
|
|
Well, anyway I'm always fascinated with applying computer power to
|
|
games and probability models -- good luck with your project!
|
|
|
|
Curt
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87697 1-JUN 22:49 General Information
|
|
OS-9 Live! Conference
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
In the spirit of promoting OS-9, I've set up the OS-9 Live! conference
|
|
on the first and third Saturday night of every month at 10:00pm Eastern.
|
|
This conference is open to all OS-9 users, but I would hope to keep
|
|
topics mainly geared toward OS-9/680X0 and OS-9000. For the first few
|
|
conferences, I don't have a specific topic planned, but anticipate
|
|
that will change.
|
|
|
|
Hopefully some fruitful discussion will eminate from these conferences.
|
|
I certainly plan on being consistent with this idea. I don't intend
|
|
for this to be "yet another conference" or a bull session, but something
|
|
with substance.
|
|
|
|
The first conference is planned for this Saturday, June 4 at 10:00pm EST.
|
|
I look forward to seeing you there.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87722 2-JUN 20:52 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Live! Conference (Re: Msg 87697)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
Well, you pulled through for us Boisy! :-) I plan on being there unless
|
|
something comes up.
|
|
A couple ideas for conference topics you may want to consider:
|
|
|
|
1) Every couple of months or so, the topic should be devoted to the latest
|
|
going's on of the OS9 UG. This may help inform nonmembers and turn them
|
|
into members.
|
|
2) At this stage one idea is to develope an ongoing theme of the conference
|
|
with that theme being the migration from OS-9 Level II to Profession OS-9
|
|
This could prove beneficial, as people who have been putting off
|
|
upgrading due to lack of understanding the OSK environment. Even if the
|
|
so far non-OSK users aren't Coco users, it is possible that people from
|
|
other platforms may be interested in 'zomething different' :-) If we
|
|
inform them on what is available and show all the possible paths they can
|
|
travel with OS-9<notice the '-' you demand<Grin>.
|
|
3) At a certain point before each fest, we should devote on or more
|
|
conferences to the upcoming fest.
|
|
Well, I'll quit now, but I'm just getting warmed up. There are so many
|
|
topics we can cover with the conference, we may need to start a couple
|
|
more. :-)
|
|
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
87701 1-JUN 23:13 Programmers Den
|
|
cc 2.5.0
|
|
From: RICKADAMS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Does anyone have cc 2.5.0 to give to me somehow? I need it to be able
|
|
to compile UUCPbb.
|
|
|
|
Perhaps it could be uploaded to the databases here?
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87703 1-JUN 23:22 General Information
|
|
WDTV5
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN (NR)
|
|
|
|
Paul, thats WDTV5 not WATV5 in my last message. (Sorry Gene...;-) )CM
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87712 2-JUN 20:05 General Information
|
|
help
|
|
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Could someone tell me what the largest RLL type drive is that I could get
|
|
ahold of. I am using a seagate 238R now with a B&B cocoxt-rtc. But I would
|
|
like to get a bigger hard drive. Thanks for the help
|
|
|
|
Bob
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87713 2-JUN 20:35 OSK Applications
|
|
MM/1 Trek
|
|
From: VAXELF To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
Ken,
|
|
It was great seeing you too. I had a great time. Didn't get much sleep
|
|
friday or Saturday night. Toooooo busy talking to everyone and checking
|
|
out all the behind the closed door stuff. (future products and such).
|
|
The wolfinstien clone was very outstanding. When he gets it ready to sell,
|
|
it's going to be a hot item.
|
|
anyway, yes I am using the "sh" shell, but I have tried various ways to
|
|
run the game. I open another window using the standard shell, error
|
|
I then reset my SHELL enviroment to "shell", still error.
|
|
Then I reconfigured the OS9Boot to use the stock "sysgo", still error.
|
|
Sure thought by using the stock sysgo, it would work.
|
|
Memory should not be a problem. 2033 KBytes befor starting game and
|
|
1813.5 KBytes after starting game.
|
|
Sound works if executed as:
|
|
|
|
phasers
|
|
shell phasers
|
|
|
|
When I reconfigured using the stock "sysgo", this was off the new upgrade
|
|
disk that I got from David at the fest and using the latest "bgfx" that
|
|
I also got from David at the fest.
|
|
|
|
As a software engineer, I know all too well the trials and tribulations of
|
|
software problems.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87714 2-JUN 20:38 OSK Applications
|
|
games
|
|
From: VAXELF To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|
|
|
Zack,
|
|
Are you sure these card games can be won?????????
|
|
Boy they sure are tough.
|
|
|
|
Nice to finially meet you at the fest.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
87734 2-JUN 23:15 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: games (Re: Msg 87714)
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: VAXELF (NR)
|
|
|
|
> Zack,
|
|
> Are you sure these card games can be won?????????
|
|
> Boy they sure are tough.
|
|
>
|
|
> Nice to finially meet you at the fest.
|
|
>
|
|
|
|
Heh, heh. Yeah, some of them are tough to win. Particularly Spider and
|
|
Canfield. Pyramid normally has about a 2-5% win rate, while Klondike has
|
|
a 10-20% win rate. (Statistically speaking!)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|
|
|
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
|
|
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
|
|
|
|
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End of Thread.
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87717 2-JUN 20:40 General Information
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Nitros-9
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From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN (NR)
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Well Paul, I finally got it working, Nitros-9 that is. Had to start
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scratch and put all the patchable modules in a boot. After I booted
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with these modules, I used nitros9 to make a new boot from memory.
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It works fine, with an obvious increase in speed during boot. My
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long startup which gives me Dynastar, Supercomm, and Presto-Partner
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all up and running, plus an extra window for working, takes 1:15 as
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opposed to 1:45 prior to Nitros-9. That includes 31 modules loaded
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into memory other than my boot mods. The only set-back being none of
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my games work, coco crashes if I try loading them. I'll just use
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my old bootfile when I want to run them. Grfdrv is the most important
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module where graphics are concerned, and I've updated that mod. The
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speed increase with just that change (grfdrv) is remarkable. When
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I play Klondike(Solitaire), I get instant results when calling for
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a new deal. I'll just get good use out of the multiboot utility I
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got at the Fest. Did you finish doing your friend's upgrade yet? I
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found some modules that the upgrade bombs on, like RBF $4B1153. It
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upgrades okay but an ident shows BAD CRC. Of course it won't boot.
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I used RBF $EFBE13, which is the original. It happened twice like
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that, so I know its a bug in the patch program. Well now I got some
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more docs to read so I can install more STUFF.... I have the multi-
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boot util, CocoTop- a mouse driven utility, a games disk with five
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games included, VED - text editor and some other stuff I forgot I
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bought. Oh yeah, QuikLetter, which I should do first cause it will
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save me memory over Dynastar. Of course I'm waiting for the two meg
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upgrade also. Busy, busy, busy.... My wife is talking divorce here.
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Thanx for your input, I'm always glad to get the help. Charlie
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87727 2-JUN 22:23 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 (Re: Msg 87717)
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From: REVWCP To: CHARLESAM
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Dear Charlie:
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If you still have problems come the weekend of July 9th, I know a monk who
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makes house calls. I will be in New York that weekend to see my mother. We
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have a memorial service for my father that saturday. I will be arriving on
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thursday,
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July 7th and returning to Wisconsin on July 14th. I'll get in touch with Keith
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and we can try to all get together.
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With all best wishes,
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Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87732 2-JUN 23:14 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 (Re: Msg 87727)
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From: CHARLESAM To: REVWCP
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Looking forward to your visit. Tell Rick I said 'Hello, tell him to write
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soon. Regards Charlie
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87736 3-JUN 00:00 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 (Re: Msg 87732)
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From: REVWCP To: CHARLESAM (NR)
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I'll convey the message to Rick.
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With all best wishes,
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Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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End of Thread.
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87718 2-JUN 20:42 OSK Applications
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chess
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From: VAXELF To: COLORSYSTEMS
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The manual for K-Window Chess arrived today. Thought you like to know.
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It run great. I have a book on classic chess games. going to see how well
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it stands up to some of the masters.
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John D.
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87721 2-JUN 20:45 General Information
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Nitros-9 and games
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From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
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Has anyone else had problems with running games under native Nitros-9? If
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so, did you find a way to get them to work? I have by nitros9 in place but
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if I run Klondike, Smash, or Shanghai CRASH!. I'm sure there is something
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that can be done. Thanx Charlie
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87728 2-JUN 22:25 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 and games (Re: Msg 87721)
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From: REVWCP To: CHARLESAM
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Dear Charlie:
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I'm not certain where the problem is. Klondike, from Zack Sessions Solitaire
|
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Games works for me. The Shanghai I have is Shawn Driscolls' Basic09 version.
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I will have to check CRC's, etc., and get back to you.
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With all best wishes,
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Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87733 2-JUN 23:15 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 and games (Re: Msg 87728)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: REVWCP
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It is probably that the Klondike he is referring to is not mine. My
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Klondike uses perfectly "legal" OS9 code and should work on any OS9 engine.
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And there were numerous Klondike's for OS9 released.
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------------------------------------
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Zack C Sessions
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"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
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we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87735 2-JUN 23:15 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 and games (Re: Msg 87728)
|
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From: CHARLESAM To: REVWCP
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I have to check my versions. I must be doing something wrong here. Charlie
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87737 3-JUN 00:28 General Information
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RE: Nitros-9 and games (Re: Msg 87721)
|
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From: KSCALES To: CHARLESAM (NR)
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> Has anyone else had problems with running games under native Nitros-9? If
|
|
> so, did you find a way to get them to work? I have by nitros9 in place
|
|
> but if I run Klondike, Smash, or Shanghai CRASH!. I'm sure there is
|
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> something that can be done. Thanx Charlie
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Can't really help here, except to provide some encouragement: Since Alan
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DeKok is a confirmed NitrOS-9 user, it's a safe bet that his Smash can
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be made to run under Nitros. And, assuming that you are referring to the
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NX version of Shanghai, it was ported to OS-9 by Alan and Bill Nobel, one
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of the Nitros authors -- so it should also be compatible.
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A shot in the dark from the blind... perhaps these programs are using
|
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'vdgint'. Did this module patch OK during your installation? Is it
|
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included in your bootfile?
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Best of luck... / Ken
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
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End of Thread.
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87723 2-JUN 21:01 Programmers Den
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Protector Program Update
|
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From: CPERRAULT To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)
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Hi again Mike, long time no see. I'm just writing to update you
|
|
on the latest progress I have made with my Protector utility project I
|
|
told you about before. And of course, I have questions about my latest
|
|
non-feature<Grin>. This is also aimed at anyone else in forum who may
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|
have some clues, and a little time to check the source, or run it in
|
|
from basic09. Since hooking my fathers printer to the Coco, I have
|
|
started working on my programming projects once again<I can't stand
|
|
not having the printouts. I don't care for having to constantly switch
|
|
through windows to compare code>. I have since fixed, as far as I
|
|
know, all the problems I was reporting before. Of course it's been
|
|
about a week or two, so I already forget what those problems were I
|
|
was having, but it was a matter of modifying a loop structure a
|
|
certain way that did the trick. I couldn't quite understand why the
|
|
fix I did worked<it didn't seem to logically differ from the code I
|
|
already had, but since it worked...>. I should be keeping printouts of
|
|
the old source so I should remember exactly what those questions are
|
|
so I can post to all here, just to better understand things. Anyhow,
|
|
that's not what I'm here to ask about.
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|
|
For the most part, I have MOST of the program done. Once I get
|
|
through this latest glitch, I will just add a couple more features I
|
|
am hoping to add, which, knock on wood<a couple times> shouldn't be
|
|
too much trouble. Just for a quick rundown for those who don't know or
|
|
remember the purpose of this program, it is designed to take files
|
|
entered in standard input<keyboard> or from a text file<once I add the
|
|
-f flag>, and compare those files with the filenames in the current
|
|
data directory. If the names are NOT equal to eachother, the program
|
|
will delete the files else if they do equal eachother, the program
|
|
will 'protect' them and spare them from being deleted. So basically it
|
|
deletes all the files in the directory except those entered by the
|
|
user. The opposite of delete :-)
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|
|
After studying your _Toupper.b09_ and _Protect.b09_ programs, I
|
|
incorporated toupper into my program, as well as some of 'protect'
|
|
and for the most part, after some fine tuning and debugging, things
|
|
started to work out. After giving the filenames of those I want
|
|
protected, in array form, the toupper procedure takes it and converts
|
|
all lowercase to uppercase and then list all those files to the
|
|
screen<in uppercase form>. Then the program opens up the dir file and
|
|
reads all the filenames into an array, and converts them to uppercase.
|
|
I then put in an 'if/then/else' statement that tests to see if
|
|
'newname(count)',the name array given by the user from keyboard, is
|
|
equal to 'name' which is the current filename being retrieved from
|
|
disk. If it is not equal it is supposed to print:
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Deleting: filename
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|
|
and if they are equal it is supposed to print:
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Filename is protected
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|
|
Now the screen will then print the filename from disk to screen
|
|
and it appears to work fine. The problem is, the program thinks that
|
|
all of the files are NOT-EQUAL, so if the delete command wasn't
|
|
commented out, it would go one to delete all files in the directory.
|
|
It simply prints: 'Deleting: filename' for all the files, even tho the
|
|
files I entered were entered correctly were coverted to caps just like
|
|
the files that the program read from disk. I can't for the life of me
|
|
figure out where the program is finding a difference between the two
|
|
sets of filenames. If you, or anyone else reading has a chance to go
|
|
over the code and maybe try running it from basic, I sure won't object
|
|
;-). And keep in mind, I commentout OUT the 'Delete Name' command so
|
|
you won't lose any files. I'll include the source in the next message.
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|
|
Thanks...
|
|
>Chris<
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87724 2-JUN 21:08 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: Protector Program Update (Re: Msg 87723)
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From: CPERRAULT To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)
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|
|
(* here is the source...
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|
|
PROCEDURE begmain
|
|
(* This is the Dimensioning section.
|
|
DIM count,count1,count2:INTEGER
|
|
DIM path:BYTE
|
|
DIM carriage,escape:BYTE
|
|
DIM strpos:INTEGER
|
|
DIM temp:STRING[29]
|
|
DIM entry(32):BYTE
|
|
PARAM option:STRING[3]
|
|
DIM name,newname(100):STRING[29]
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|
(* --------------------------------------
|
|
(* on ERROR GOTO 500
|
|
(* --------------------------------------
|
|
carriage:=$0D
|
|
count:=0\count1:=0\count2:=0
|
|
errnum:=ERR
|
|
escape:=$1B
|
|
name:=""
|
|
FOR count:=1 TO 100
|
|
newname(count)=""
|
|
NEXT count
|
|
(* --------------------------------------
|
|
(* This is where we read the parameters
|
|
(* options
|
|
WHILE option<>"" DO
|
|
IF option="-?" THEN
|
|
RUN intro
|
|
END
|
|
ELSE
|
|
(* --------------------------------------
|
|
IF option="-s" OR option="-S" THEN \(* from standard Input
|
|
FOR count=1 TO 100
|
|
INPUT "Filename> ",name
|
|
EXITIF name="" THEN
|
|
GOSUB 10
|
|
ENDEXIT
|
|
|
|
(* To uppercase routine
|
|
(* run toupper(newname)
|
|
temp:=""
|
|
strpos:=1
|
|
|
|
REPEAT
|
|
IF ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))>96 AND ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))<123 THEN
|
|
temp=temp+CHR$(ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))-32)
|
|
ELSE
|
|
temp=temp+MID$(name,strpos,1)
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
strpos=strpos+1
|
|
UNTIL strpos>LEN(name)
|
|
newname(count)=temp
|
|
NEXT count
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
ENDWHILE
|
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|
|
10 (* The Main Delete and Protect procedure
|
|
PRINT "Preparing to del all files in directory except:"
|
|
FOR count1:=1 TO count
|
|
PRINT newname(count1)
|
|
NEXT count1
|
|
OPEN #path,".":UPDATE+DIR
|
|
SEEK #path,64
|
|
WHILE NOT(EOF(#path)) DO
|
|
count1=count1+1
|
|
GET #path,entry
|
|
IF entry(1)>0 THEN
|
|
name:=""
|
|
FOR i=1 TO 29
|
|
EXITIF entry(i)>127 THEN
|
|
name:=name+CHR$(entry(i)-128)
|
|
ENDEXIT
|
|
name:=name+CHR$(entry(i))
|
|
NEXT i
|
|
|
|
(* Convert files to capitals
|
|
temp:=""
|
|
strpos:=1
|
|
|
|
REPEAT
|
|
IF ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))>96 AND ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))<123 THEN
|
|
temp=temp+CHR$(ASC(MID$(name,strpos,1))-32)
|
|
ELSE
|
|
temp=temp+MID$(name,strpos,1)
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
strpos=strpos+1
|
|
UNTIL strpos>LEN(name)
|
|
name:=temp
|
|
|
|
if name=newname(count) then
|
|
print name;" is protected."
|
|
else
|
|
Print "Deleting: ";name
|
|
(* DELETE name
|
|
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
ENDWHILE
|
|
CLOSE #path
|
|
END
|
|
|
|
(* --------------------------------------
|
|
500 (* Error Trapping Routine
|
|
errnum:=ERR
|
|
PRINT "You have an error #"; errnum
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
End of Thread.
|
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|
-*-
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87729 2-JUN 23:04 General Information
|
|
nitro/lha
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5 (NR)
|
|
|
|
Well following some advice from Wes Gale, I went back to the RBF from
|
|
nitro 1.15. That seems to have solved my problem. Wes has an occassional
|
|
archiving problem with LHA and he feels there is something they have done
|
|
in RBF which is causing some of us a problem.
|
|
I am now using RBF30 (undelete) CRC FA84C1. Could it be that your
|
|
RBF isn't a Nitro 1.16 module? Wes wants all the help he can get to solve
|
|
the problem. Thanks for letting me bend your ear.
|
|
Merv
|
|
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87741 3-JUN 03:13 Programmers Den
|
|
Multivue
|
|
From: CURTPANTLE To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
|
|
|
|
Zack,
|
|
|
|
I found my recent reply to you was garbled - since then I found that three
|
|
"#define"'s near the end of stdmenu.h had a "\" and a CR. When I deleted
|
|
these, it compiled fine.
|
|
|
|
Also, if anyone else is working with Multivue for the first time (I just got
|
|
it 2 weeks ago), the MV manual says to comile the C source to a .r file;
|
|
then link cgfx.l, clib.l and sys.l in that order. You have to put clib.l
|
|
first in the linkage order, otherwise you get a linker fatal error.
|
|
|
|
In addition to header and library files, I still need menu and window
|
|
descriptors and mouse code. Seems like a lot of work to point and click,
|
|
but I guess the hard part is putting it together for the first time. On
|
|
the plus side, MV works as advertised and I figured out how to write the
|
|
AIF's to start several apps from MV.
|
|
|
|
Curt
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
87742 3-JUN 10:02 Programmers Den
|
|
Programming in C
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I need some help with 'C' on the Coco 3. I am diving into writing some
|
|
programs, one because I need the programs, two because I want to leanr C. I
|
|
haven't done anything elaborate yet. I have been working with C in both DOS
|
|
and UNIX environments up to this point. I prototyped some code under DOS, but
|
|
als, it will not be portable to UNIX or OS9. DOS compilers support the
|
|
getch function. This is the same as an inkey$ function in Coco basic. You
|
|
press a key and program flow continues. How do I duplicate this function under
|
|
|
|
Microware C or UNIX C? I tried to use getchar and getc under UNIX, but they
|
|
still require a carriage return. If someone could enlighten me....
|
|
|
|
The code under UNIX that I tried was :
|
|
|
|
key = getc(stdin);
|
|
|
|
even this !
|
|
|
|
key = fgetc(stdin);
|
|
|
|
NO LUCK! I need to write some terminal based apps for my Coco 3, and C seems
|
|
to be a good way of doing it. Anyone who has written in C on the Coco; If
|
|
you can give me tips or point me to patches and libraries you would recommend
|
|
I would appreciate it. I will upload what ever code I manage to hack.
|
|
|
|
Thanks.
|
|
|
|
Mike
|
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