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[1;1H[2J84124 17-DEC 21:20 OSK Applications
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RE: MM/1 Monitors (Re: Msg 84120)
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From: MRGOOD To: ALWESTON (NR)
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Unless you can coax your MM1 into VGA mode, your VGA monitor
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will be of little use. Apparently, it's possible to do so, but
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not generally known how.
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Hugo
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FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>
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No more messages.
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Press RETURN to READ NEW Messages.
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FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> read new nonstop folloew
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84121 17-DEC 20:20 General Information
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DED
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From: PHILSCHERER To: ALL
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On occasion, I have tried to patch a module with DED that gives me a problem
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I dont understand. I change the number say from 5E to F6 and write the
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sector to disk. Then when I verify, the byte changes back to 5E. WHAT????
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<Phil>
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84125 17-DEC 21:20 General Information
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RE: DED (Re: Msg 84121)
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From: REVWCP To: PHILSCHERER
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Phil,
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I have had the same problem unless I run in the expert (x) mode. I have
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not had problems making changing then, whether I wanted to or not. You
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can't undo the expert mode so make certain you are not working on your
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one of a kind rare file. I have lost more than my share of files. One
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of the brothers asked me after one such session, "Did you pray about it."
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Well God's name did get mentioned, but I would hate to think of that as
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prayer.......
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Hope this helps,
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With all best wishes,
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Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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84128 17-DEC 21:57 General Information
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RE: DED (Re: Msg 84121)
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From: WOAY To: PHILSCHERER
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Humm, I've had that happen but its awfully rare, and always seems to work
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the next time, so I've not been able to duplicate it. And contrary to Bro.
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Jeremy, the expert mode is reversible, just give it another x and it goes
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away. Come to think of it, I haven't had that problem since I got this
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drive! And I don't have, and haven't had a blob problem in quite some time
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which this may also be a symptom of. Can you format a floppy? Thats blob
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test number one. Not much help, but sometimes theres a clue in other reports.
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Cheers Phillip, Gene
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84141 18-DEC 08:55 General Information
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RE: DED (Re: Msg 84125)
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From: PHILSCHERER To: REVWCP
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Thanks for the reply Br. Jeremy! <Phil>
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84142 18-DEC 09:00 General Information
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RE: DED (Re: Msg 84128)
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From: PHILSCHERER To: WOAY (NR)
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Hi Gene--No BLOB here--I ran into it when I tried to patch cprep1.8. The
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patch found some bytes that didn't match so I ran ded and changed the bytes
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to what the patch was looking for. When I verified, the thing went back to
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before. So I wrote it to disk, shut down ded, patch the file, fired up ded
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and verified the patched module. Something like this happened before and I
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dont know why. <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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84122 17-DEC 20:51 General Information
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Basic09
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From: DAVIDAH To: RANDYKWILSON
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I did what you suggested for my procedure Squeeze. I stil got an Error #43.
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I even did an Ident on Yawn, it showed I got all the procedures....and I
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still got Error #43!!!
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----Dave
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84123 17-DEC 21:16 General Information
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ghostscript
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From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL
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Back again with another (dummie) ghostscript question. Got ghostscript
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set up and have printed a number of the sample files including the
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golfer and tiger. Now what do I do when I want to print some of my
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own files? Say a simply ASCII text file? I guess I need the exact
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ghostscript command because I sure cant find anything in all those docs.
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Also, is there a way using the MM1 to create a postscript file (.ps)
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such as those supplied with the ghostscript download?
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--Thanks,
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--TedJaeger
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84130 17-DEC 23:58 General Information
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RE: ghostscript (Re: Msg 84123)
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From: JOHNREED To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
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> Back again with another (dummie) ghostscript question. Got ghostscript
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> set up and have printed a number of the sample files including the
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> golfer and tiger. Now what do I do when I want to print some of my
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> own files? Say a simply ASCII text file? I guess I need the exact
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> ghostscript command because I sure cant find anything in all those docs.
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> Also, is there a way using the MM1 to create a postscript file (.ps)
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> such as those supplied with the ghostscript download?
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> --Thanks,
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> --TedJaeger
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>
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1. The Bad News: Ghostscript doesn't do simple ASCII text files.
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Anything fed to Ghostscript must be in the PostScript language.
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2. The Good News: There are a couple of excellent programs available
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to convert text into PostScript. LOUT will produce just about any
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document style you want - it is a large program, with lots of features.
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PSF is a simpler program to take simple ASCII text and output PostScript.
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Both should be available in the databases.
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*****BLATANT OPPORTUNISTIC SELF-SERVING SALES BLURB**********
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3. I wrote a program called CirCad that draws diagrams on the MM1 and
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outputs PostScript code to a file that can be fed to Ghostscript
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or a PostScript printer. There is a demo in the databases, (but the
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PostScript output is not in it) -- MARKGRIFFITH (Dirt Cheap Computer
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Stuff) distributes the complete program.
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*********** END BLURB ************
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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84137 18-DEC 04:54 General Information
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RE: ghostscript (Re: Msg 84130)
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From: JOELHEGBERG To: JOHNREED (NR)
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> *****BLATANT OPPORTUNISTIC SELF-SERVING SALES BLURB**********
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> 3. I wrote a program called CirCad that draws diagrams on the MM1 and
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> outputs PostScript code to a file that can be fed to Ghostscript
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> or a PostScript printer. There is a demo in the databases, (but the
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> PostScript output is not in it) -- MARKGRIFFITH (Dirt Cheap Computer
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> Stuff) distributes the complete program.
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> *********** END BLURB ************
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Hey, shame on you, John. That's terrible. I would never put such a
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blatant blurb like, "Write-Right! is at last a real Word Processor for
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OSK! Bold/Italics/Underline/Colors all realistically displayed
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on-screen... Page Preview mode for easy estimation of your work...
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full support for color printers... Mac-like mouseable cut-and-paste
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features! Sold through Sub-Etha Software!" <grin> (Hey, at least I
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quoted your original blurb for ya!)
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg.
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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GEnie : j.hegberg
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Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com
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84149 18-DEC 13:28 General Information
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RE: ghostscript (Re: Msg 84130)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOHNREED (NR)
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> 1. The Bad News: Ghostscript doesn't do simple ASCII text files.
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> Anything fed to Ghostscript must be in the PostScript language.
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Isn't this actually a feature of Ghostscript? I mean, that it is designed
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to only process input files which are in Postscript format? Isn't that
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the reason is exists?
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> 2. The Good News: There are a couple of excellent programs available
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> to convert text into PostScript. LOUT will produce just about any
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> document style you want - it is a large program, with lots of features.
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> PSF is a simpler program to take simple ASCII text and output PostScript.
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IMHO, lout is overkill just to try an print an ASCII text file with
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Ghostscript. I have a few postscript programs handy which take an ascii
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file for input which should work OK. I will scrounge around here and
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post one of them.
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> 3. I wrote a program called CirCad that draws diagrams on the MM1 and
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> outputs PostScript code to a file that can be fed to Ghostscript
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> or a PostScript printer. There is a demo in the databases, (but the
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> PostScript output is not in it) -- MARKGRIFFITH (Dirt Cheap Computer
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> Stuff) distributes the complete program.
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I looked at your demo of CirCad. It does look nice and is is REAL nice to
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see an MM/1 developer producing a product which generates Postscript output.
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I plan to soon follow that lead.
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Zack C Sessions
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ColorSystems
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"I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"
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End of Thread.
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84126 17-DEC 21:54 OSK Applications
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GWindows on MM/1
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From: NIMITZ To: ALL
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I talked to Ed Gresick today. I've said before, and still feel, that while
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GWindows is not appropriate as the standard windowin system on a personal
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system, that it is advantageous for it to be available on any OSK platform.
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So, Ed has agreed to keep
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his offer open for 2 more months, until February 28th, 1994. Thanks, Ed!
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This is especially important to me, as I wish GWindows to be available as an
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OPTION, for programmers, though I will continue to support KWindows, and work
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for it's continued groug
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wth. Good luck with getting those 20 orders Ed!
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84138 18-DEC 04:54 OSK Applications
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RE: GWindows on MM/1 (Re: Msg 84126)
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From: JOELHEGBERG To: NIMITZ (NR)
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> personal system, that it is advantageous for it to be available on any OSK
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> platform. So, Ed has agreed to keep
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> his offer open for 2 more months, until February 28th, 1994. Thanks, Ed!
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This is very good news indeed, David. I'm very happy you talked with Ed
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about this. Thanks for extending the deadline, Ed. For those who are
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supporting the G-Windows port, we're not fighting a losing fight... I
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strongly believe we will see the other orders come in in the next few
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months!
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg.
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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GEnie : j.hegberg
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Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com
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84144 18-DEC 10:16 OSK Applications
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RE: GWindows on MM/1 (Re: Msg 84126)
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From: EDELMAR To: ALL
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I wish to confirm David Graham's (NIMITZ) statement regarding extending
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my offer to port G-WINDOWS to the MM/1 until February 28, 1994 in message
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#84126. I'm willing to do this since Dave has endorsed G-WINDOWS as an
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optional windowing/GUI system for the MM/1. Unless I hear otherwise from
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the individuals who have already ordered G-WINDOWS, I will keep their
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orders open on the books.
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I appreciate Dave's endorsement and believe this will result in neccessary
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additional orders.
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Ed Gresick
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DELMAR CO
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End of Thread.
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84127 17-DEC 21:55 New Uploads
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GWINDOWS available for the MM1
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From: FHOGG To: ALL
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GWINDOWS NOW AVAILABLE FOR THE MM1
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Background: Last year I announced the availability of
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GWINDOWS for the MM1 provided a certain number of orders
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were received. I did not get the orders and therefore
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dropped the project. Enter Ray Tremblay of Repengny
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Quebec. In November of '92 he bought the TC70 version
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of GWINDOWS after successfully patching the demo
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version to work on his MM1. We discussed using his
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patches and offer it to the MM1 users. I decided not
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to do this at that time for various reasons.
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Fast forward 1 year. A short time ago Delmar offered
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to port GWINDOWS to the MM1 if 20 orders were received.
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He has not gotten that many and has inferred that he
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would drop the project. Many who had placed orders
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expressed sadness about this and that got me thinking.
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Sooo... First I called Mike Smith of Hazelwood who
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owned the port to the TC70. I suggested that because
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the TC70 was history. And that we were not likely to
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do a video board with the VSC. He would not mind the
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good will gained by giving the source of the driver to
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MM1 users so that they might 'fine tune' the port for
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their own use. It took some talking but he was convinced
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to do this if the source was not freely distributed
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beyond those MM1 owners who bought GWINDOWS. Next I
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called Ray and because Mike was not charging for the
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source he decided to give away his work also. However
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GWINDOWS is a licenseed product and there is cost
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involved even if a full blown port is not done.
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Here are the details. The package includes the complete
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TC70 version of GWINDOWS with manual. Plus you get the
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source of the driver for the VFC. Plus you get the patches
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that Ray did to make it work on the MM1. Because of the
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generosity of Mike Smith of Hazelwood and Ray Tremblay
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we can offer GWINDOWS for only $150.
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Caveat: Neither FHL or Hazelwood have access to a MM1.
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At this price we could not offer updates or support even
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if we did have access to a MM1. By providing Rays patches
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and the driver source we expect MM1 users to be self
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sufficient and to share improvements/enhancements to the
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driver/port among themselves. This is not a supported port
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of GWINDOWS like those for the KiX but it will provide you
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with a complete working version of GWINDOWS for your MM1
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and allow you to develop software for GWINDOWS.
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Availability: Ray is emailing the patches to me this
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weekend (12/17/93) and Mike is shipping the source next
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week. Once those are in my hands I can ship GWINDOWS.
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Possibly by Christmas.
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I hope you understand and appreciate the generosity of
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Mike Smith of Hazelwood and Ray Tremblay who have made
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this possible without compensation.
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Frank Hogg -- FHL
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315/469-7364
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84145 18-DEC 10:16 New Uploads
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RE: GWINDOWS available for the MM1 (Re: Msg 84127)
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From: EDELMAR To: ALL
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Following NIMITZ's message was a message from FHL (#84127) offering his
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old TC70 G-WINDOWS package including source for the driver. I think the
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following facts are important to those considering his offer.
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1. I believe the edition number of the Hazelwood package is 37. The
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current release is edition #50. Significant changes, mostly enhance-
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ments but several bug fixes also, occurred since the release of edition
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37. Most of the important changes resulted in the release of edition
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45 late last year. While not as significant, edition 50 (just released)
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includes additional changes. As I recall, several of the changes did
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effect the driver.
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2. While the source code to the driver may be included, unless the programmer
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has the associated *.a, *.l and *.h files, he will be unable to compile
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the driver unless he constructs his own files. These files are quite
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involved. The *.a, *.l and *.h files are proprietary files to GESPAC/
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Steve_Adams and the language in my licensing agreement prohibits me from
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giving or selling these to anyone. I assume the same is true of any
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other agreement GESPAC/Steve_Adams are parties to.
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Further, without the portpack manual, almost 200 pages, it will be diffi-
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cult for a programmer to be certain he has implemented all of the required
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functions correctly. Attempting to deduce this from source code is time
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consuming and difficult. Again, this document is proprietary.
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3. It was stated that this would be an unsupported package. DELMAR supports
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all products we sell whether hardware or software. Support for the
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G-WINDOWS ports to the SYSTEM IV and SYSTEM V computers continues for
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1 year after purchase at no cost to the customer. When edition 45 of
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G-WINDOWS was released, I sent updates to all purchasers of G-WINDOWS at
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no charge (except shipping to overseas customers). Since the changes in
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edition 50 are not significant, I'm not providing automatic updates but
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all new sales (including the proposed port to the MM/1) will be with the
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latest edition. To emphasize, a port to the MM/1 will receive the same
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support provided our other customers.
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4. Frank Hogg states "... and allow you to develop software for GWINDOWS."
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This is wrong. To develop software for G-WINDOWS you will require the
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'developers pak'. Regardless of the source, it is an extra charge
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(unless the seller wishes to absorb the cost charged by GESPAC/Steve_
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Adams).
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5. I believe that releasing the source code to the driver can be a disaster.
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Without full knowledge of what is expected of the driver by G-WINDOWS,
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different flavors of G-WINDOWS can appear which may be incompatible with
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each other and main stream ports of G-WINDOWS. Further, as new editions
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of G-WINDOWS are released and software is written and/or updated under
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the later editions, there is no assurance that the software will be
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compatible. An example is ControlCalc (from RTware). The version being
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sold today requires G-WINDOWS edition 45 or higher. IMO, if users cannot
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be assured of obtaining the latest version of G-WINDOWS and cannot be
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assured of continued support for G-WINDOWS, they are probably better off
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without it.
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One serious problem the CoCo community has and is facing are all the unsup-
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ported patches, 'improvements', etc. to the OS and software. Thus far, OSK
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has not suffered from this problem nor do I think we need to start now. If
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Hazelwood/FHL want to offer G-WINDOWS for the MM/1 - fine, I have no problem
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with that. But it should be a port of the latest edition to insure compati-
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bility across all platforms and be fully supported.
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Ed Gresick
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DELMAR CO
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End of Thread.
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84129 17-DEC 23:58 General Information
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RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 84092)
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From: JOHNREED To: EDELMAR
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Ed,
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I picked up one of those outdated copies of an older
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version of SCULPTOR. At about the same time, I was
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elected (railroaded) secretary of a local chapter of
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the "Refrigeration Service Engineers Society" and
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inherited the membership list as an ASCII dump on
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an MSDOS disk from who-knows-which messydos database.
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It took me only about an hour to install SCULPTOR and get
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it to slurp up that messydos ASCII dump and call it
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it's own. Very impressive program -- I can only assume
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that the current version is even better. Setting up a
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simple database with the default displays and reports
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is so easy it's hardly even fun.
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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84132 18-DEC 03:58 General Information
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RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 84115)
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From: DIETER To: MARKGRIFFITH
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> Tim,
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> > To the contrary! I just discovered today, for example, that InfoExpress
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> > uses my own XYDown for file transfers.
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> Bill thought using XYDown was a good idea (my suggestion, ahem) and coded
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> IX to use it. I've started shipping IX with copies of XYDown included.
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> I was doing the same with rz and sz since IX uses them too, but now
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> Chuck Forsburg has made them shareware. Too bad.
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>
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> Thanks for an excellent program in XYDown. Nice to see you also used my
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> CRC routines. I plan on using some of your code in Sterm-Pro.
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The XYDOWN program I have is: Module size $ 6DC2, CRC $ 9027D1, Edition #7, is
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that the XYDOWN IX is using?
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84131 18-DEC 02:32 General Information
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RE: rs-232 cabling (Re: Msg 84117)
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From: DSPICER To: MITHELEN (NR)
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>I bet ya you do have problems, you just haven't noticed them. The big
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>problem that I think most people have with SACia is, it really does need a
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>"new clock" (one with Gime toggle), and the descriptor for /t2 was set up
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>goofy... and of course, it requires makeing a new boot disk.
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I'll take that bet....I've been running it for over a year now.
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The patch I applied for the B&B RTC has the Gime fix, setting up the /t2
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discriptor is easy with the supplied xmode, and with EzGen, making a new
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boot disk takes less than a minute.
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BTW, there are at least a couple RiBBS boards passing Fido mail at 14.4
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(one with AciaDrv and I believe another with Sacia).
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84140 18-DEC 08:04 General Information
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RE: rs-232 cabling (Re: Msg 84067)
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From: DENNYWRIGHT To: RANDYKWILSON
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Thanks I'll get the VOM out and see what I can figure out. Then I'll get back
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to you with the results.
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84146 18-DEC 10:45 General Information
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RE: rs-232 cabling (Re: Msg 84106)
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From: ROYBUR To: MITHELEN (NR)
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yes, i'm using Eddie's Ed. 9 clock module, the "generic" software version
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since i don't have any of the hardware that the other clock modules were for
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use with. 8*)................roy
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84147 18-DEC 10:53 General Information
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RE: rs-232 cabling (Re: Msg 84107)
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From: ROYBUR To: RANDYKWILSON
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by the time i got around to adding anything more than a disk controller,
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MPI's were getting sparse, but the main reason i don't have one is that by
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the time i'd bought the hard drive and the DISTO interface, it seemed more
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cost-effective to just buy a SC2 to put the interface in. gotta admit that
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sometimes i think i shoulda made some different choices...but only when i get
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a yen to plug something extra into the system, and can't. anyway, the ribbon
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is there because i couldn't plug the controller into the motherboard and then
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still fit the thing into the AT case. so the SAcia i installed is the version
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without MPI (maybe even DISTO-specific? 8*).............roy
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84133 18-DEC 03:58 Standards
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RE: OS9 UG and Standards group (Re: Msg 84043)
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From: DIETER To: EDELMAR
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Ed, I'm interested in G-Windows! What is the cost, and how much do You need as
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a downpayment or Advance?
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84148 18-DEC 12:01 Standards
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RE: OS9 UG and Standards group (Re: Msg 84133)
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From: EDELMAR To: DIETER (NR)
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To do the port of G-WINDOWS, I need 20 confirmed orders @ $200.00. Payment
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with order. Payment may be by check or credit card. VISA, AMEX, MC, Discover
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and RS are acceptable. CC will not be processed nor will checks be deposited
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until I have 20 orders. Count stands at 10 confirmed orders.
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It will probably take me about 2 to 3 months to do the port. I can't spend
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full-time at it - I do have other customer obligations to take care of, too.
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I'll look forward to receiving your order.
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DELMAR CO
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302-378-2555
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84134 18-DEC 04:01 Programmers Den
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memory segments
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From: PAGAN To: ALL
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Everybody,
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How can I determine how many memory segments a program has used so far? I
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know some programs do this so there must be a system call that does it but I
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can't figure out which one it is.
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84135 18-DEC 04:03 OSK Applications
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RE: CDI full motion demo (Re: Msg 83946)
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From: MREGC To: PHXKEN (NR)
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> We also have one of those Tandy huge stores under construction down in
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> Phoenix.
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Down here? Whereabouts? Any idea when its opening?
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...Eric...
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84136 18-DEC 04:05 General Information
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RE: WAV file format (Re: Msg 84059)
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From: MREGC To: JOELHEGBERG
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Joel,
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Shoot me a copy of that WAV file format too!
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...Thanks...
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...Eric...
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84139 18-DEC 05:22 General Information
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RE: Bad file won't delete (Re: Msg 84110)
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From: JWILKERSON To: WOAY (NR)
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Well, it seemed not too long after leveing you the msg it happened again!
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Well, I reformatted and went from a backup. Also, I cleaned the memory board,
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GIME and all mpi connectors. Upon reassmebly, a powerup yielded a screen of
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a mess of colors and movement. After awhile, I swapped GIMEs... that fixed
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it, as well as a monitor hum that has plagued me since the day I bought this
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computer. I wonder if the GIME was about hosed too. Dunno... I've done a lot
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of work in the last couple days, file recovery, resetting things up, and it
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seems all is okay now.
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Nerry Christmas to you too!
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Seeya
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84143 18-DEC 09:46 General Information
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RE: New Member (Re: Msg 83806)
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From: LUCKYONE To: DAVIDAH (NR)
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Welcome to the group. I hope you have a lot of fun and success.
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