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#: 18796 S1/General Interest
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12-Sep-93 18:50:57
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Sb: #18770-MM/1 Padle Boards & StG
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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I will be sending a money order for InfoXpress on monday, also send Mark
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Griffeth a message informing him of the same. OR do's Dirt Cheap Computer
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Stuff Co. take VISA? If yes, then I will go that route...
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G'Day!
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Dieter
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#: 18793 S1/General Interest
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12-Sep-93 15:11:59
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Sb: #18764-MM/1 Padle Boards & StG
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766 (X)
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> As for the Sterm for OS-9000, I cant find it anywhere on CIS, shure would
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> like a copy of it!
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>
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Sorry I've not repiled sooner, but judging from your other messages, it would
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appear that you've found the OS9000 version of Sterm.
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Hope it meets your needs!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18839 S1/General Interest
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19-Sep-93 01:34:23
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Sb: #18681-Hard Drive I/O Addresses
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Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
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To: Neil Morrison 72777,3013
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No, not all hard drive systems have the same address maps, as a matter of fact,
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each system may have its own address. Which system are you interested in?{ {I
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have a Disto 4-in-1 board, and can supply these addresses if you need them.
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Off the top of my head, I THINK that the different Disto boards may have
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different addresses, I'm not sure (I'm composing online, and hate to take the
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time to look it up).
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David
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#: 18811 S1/General Interest
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14-Sep-93 06:16:38
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Sb: Floppy drive
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Fm: Johan van Oostveen 100276,3504
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To: all
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Does a floppy disk drive exist with a serial (RS232) interface and their
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drivers (MS-DOS and/or OS9)?
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#: 18871 S1/General Interest
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20-Sep-93 23:19:06
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Sb: #OS9 Underground
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Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
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To: All
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After many months, I am back on CI$ here.
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As most of you know, I am a good friend of the editor and publisher of the OS9
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Undergrouond, Alan Sheltra.
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If any of you here in OS9 Land have any reason to get in touch with Alan,
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please leave me a message (mail) here, and I will be pleased to forward it to
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him as soon as I receive it.
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jim
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#: 18873 S1/General Interest
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21-Sep-93 13:37:09
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Sb: #18871-OS9 Underground
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X)
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Hi Jim, and welcome back!
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You really need to look into getting a copy of InfoXpress to help manage your
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online sessions. Really cuts down on wasted online time.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18872 S1/General Interest
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21-Sep-93 09:06:07
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Sb: #Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I saw your review of "Obfuscated C and Other Mysteries" in the October 1993
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issue of "The C Users Journal." Congratulations!
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How does this book compare to "C Traps and Pitfalls" in regards to pointing out
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things that people tend to overlook in C?
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-J
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#: 18880 S1/General Interest
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22-Sep-93 19:16:54
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Sb: #18872-#Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X)
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Thanks, Jay. I don't know about the "C Traps..." book, but "Obfuscated" really
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doesn't get into what to avoid, and common bugs all that much. It is more of a
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collection of helpful stuff for folks who already know how to program. Probably
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not for the beginner. I think it is a worthwhile addition to my library. Much
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more so than two other books I just got from my book club. Mind you, I should
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have been ready...printed by Microsoft Press. BTW, did you notice that
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Microware had an ad in the C Users Journal?
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#: 18886 S1/General Interest
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23-Sep-93 08:37:28
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Sb: #18880-#Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Yes I noticed the ad from Microware (not to be confused with the company from
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Italy with the same name).
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I hope that the rest of us will soon see an issue of "Pipelines" with the
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information in it about the new stuff. MW doesn't seem to want to keep us
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informed here and last time I checked their area here on CIS was way out of
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date. Seems to me that they would want to keep their biggest fans up to date
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with what they are up to.
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-J
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#: 18887 S1/General Interest
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23-Sep-93 17:35:40
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Sb: #18886-Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X)
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> informed here and last time I checked their area here on CIS was way out
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> of date. Seems to me that they would want to keep their biggest fans up to
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> date with what they are up to.
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Yeah .. so out of date they're gone. The Microware area on CIS shut down almost
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a year ago.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18901 S1/General Interest
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24-Sep-93 19:57:24
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Sb: #18886-#Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X)
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Yes, what ever happened to pipelines? I had to ask for my latest copy (quite
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awhile ago now) about 5 times... I also see in their ad that they now have
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version 3.0 of os9. Wonder if I can get an update for the mm/1?
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I was wondering if anyone at MW even noticed the Italian company with the
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interesting name?
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#: 18905 S1/General Interest
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25-Sep-93 05:19:54
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Sb: #18901-Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Hello Bob
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The v3.0 is not out yet for real. It should be avaiable start November(1993).
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The biggest change in v3.0 is the ability to 'timeslice' a 'system-state' task.
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regards ole@danelec.dk
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#: 18910 S1/General Interest
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25-Sep-93 14:13:34
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Sb: #18901-Obfuscated C Review
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> Yes, what ever happened to pipelines? I had to ask for my latest copy
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Come to think of it, I've not seen my copy is quite some time either!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18899 S1/General Interest
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24-Sep-93 19:03:08
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Sb: #dumb terminals
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Fm: Zack Sessions 71532,1555
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To: all
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I have two dumb terminals, DEC VT220 lookalike terminals from Tandy which I do
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not have room for. If there is someone who will be in Atlanta for the upcoming
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fest who would like to take one or both of them off my hands, I can arrange to
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bring them with me. Both are in perfect working order. Makes an excellent
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terminal for an MM/1 or a CoCo!
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------------------------------------
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Zack C Sessions
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ColorSystems
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via InfoXpress/OSK by Bill Dickhaus
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#: 18921 S1/General Interest
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26-Sep-93 07:32:17
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Sb: #18899-dumb terminals
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555
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Zack I would be interested in those terminals. I live in Atlanta and will be
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attending the Atlanta CoCo fest.
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#: 18777 S5/OS9 Users Group
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11-Sep-93 19:21:44
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Sb: #18745-#Program Editor
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill, do you use vi? Since vi comes with Unix, we have selected it as the
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generic editor at work. I use elvis (it is less buggy than stevie) on OSK and
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the PCs. It is solid and has everything real vi does. Of course, if you are
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more of an emacs man, you wouldn't like vi. Anyway, I can provide both
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binaries if you like.
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Carl
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#: 18788 S5/OS9 Users Group
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12-Sep-93 06:42:15
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Sb: #18777-#Program Editor
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl,
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I use vi only when I have to <g>. I never got a chance to work much with unix
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until about 6 months ago, now I'm taking care of a couple of Sparcstations
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being set up as network servers. One of the things on my list is to get emacs
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going on them so I can get away from vi. Actually vi isn't all that bad, once
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you get used to it, but I've been using me on my MM/1 almost since I got it. I
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haven't tried any of the OSK vi clones, maybe I should give them a try. It
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would be nice to have one editor to deal with, now I'm using about 10 different
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editors: two mainframe editors, four PC editors, one for unix, one for OSK, one
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for OS9 on my CoCo and one for OS-9000.
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-Bill-
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#: 18801 S5/OS9 Users Group
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12-Sep-93 22:16:40
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Sb: #18788-Program Editor
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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I hear ya. I needed one editor too. I tried to learn emacs a few years ago
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and didn't like it. I finally gave up and wrote one, but switched to vi when
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the first clone came available. I said I run vi on OSK, DOS, and Unix, but I
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forgot to mention it runs on my ST also. Anyway, editors are like religion,
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and inspire about as much passion in discussions. Some folks like emacs style
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modeless editors. I much prefer an editor with seperate modes for text entry
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and changes, like vi. Drives me crazy to have to prefix everything with a meta
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char or two. I use the colon interface a lot for global changes and such (I
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maintain a lot of code vs. just entering text). But I never found a small
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enough vi or emacs for the 09. I just saw what looks like vi in the dls that
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runs on an 09 (it said OS-9, not OSK??) so perhaps that would help. I know you
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can get emacs like editors for the PC, and real emacs must exist for Unix. Or,
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elvis should compile on OS-9000 easily and I have working OSK and PC binaries
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if you want.
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As I reread this, I see and example of passion. I wrote an editor so I
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wouldn't have to use emacs.....
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Carl
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#: 18805 S5/OS9 Users Group
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13-Sep-93 18:26:02
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Sb: #18788-#Program Editor
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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I can upload GNU Emacs 18.55 with complete source for Unix if you wish.
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It includes source (very big) which will compile on almost any Unix
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machine there is. I even compiled it on an SCO Unix 3.2 machine.
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Maybe someone could port it to OSK. I would work on it, but I am working
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on BASH first. I REALLY need a better shell for OSK it is hard working
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in OSK after using the Korn Shell on my Unix system at work (and at home).
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Geez, maybe I should ask if anyone else is working on BASH. Don't really
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want to do something that someone else already is. Anyone?
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It is supposed to go easier using GCC, but it is still rough going.
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David
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#: 18806 S5/OS9 Users Group
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13-Sep-93 21:05:19
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Sb: #18805-#Program Editor
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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> home). Geez, maybe I should ask if anyone else is working on BASH. Don't
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> really want to do something that someone else already is. Anyone?
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> It is supposed to go easier using GCC, but it is still rough going.
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>
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Looks like BASH has been done. I saw a reference to it on comp.os.os9 that
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pointed to a ftp site ( zelux7.zel.kfa-juelich.de ). I nabbed the file and
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will upload it to LIB 12 shortly.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18814 S5/OS9 Users Group
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14-Sep-93 21:17:44
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Sb: #18806-#Program Editor
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Wheew. I'm glad someone else has already done it. It is a BEAST!
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I look forward to your upload of BASH.
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David
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#: 18815 S5/OS9 Users Group
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14-Sep-93 22:23:52
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Sb: #18814-#Program Editor
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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David,
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I uploaded it this morning. I was waiting on the permission of the guy that did
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the port. You should find it in LIB 12 as bash.lzh.
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Steve
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#: 18833 S5/OS9 Users Group
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18-Sep-93 14:33:29
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Sb: #18815-Program Editor
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Thank you. I downloaded it last time I was on. Some interesting notes in the
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upload. Is he still working on the small differences?
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David
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#: 18809 S5/OS9 Users Group
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14-Sep-93 01:51:30
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Sb: #18805-Program Editor
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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Thanks for the offer, David, but I've already nabbed that for the systems at
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work, I just haven't had the chance to compile and install it yet. I use 'me'
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on my MM/1, which works just fine.
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-Bill-
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#: 18784 S5/OS9 Users Group
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12-Sep-93 03:01:42
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Sb: #Program editor
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Fm: Graham Trott 100115,1075
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill --
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I've uploaded the editor to the section 12 library. If you have any problems
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with it let me know.
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-- GT
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#: 18789 S5/OS9 Users Group
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12-Sep-93 07:16:52
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Sb: #18784-Program editor
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Graham Trott 100115,1075 (X)
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Graham,
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I got it, thanks. I've set it up, and tried it out, but haven't had a chance to
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use it much yet. Looks really good so far, nice work!
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-Bill-
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#: 18785 S5/OS9 Users Group
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12-Sep-93 03:01:45
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Sb: Program editor
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Fm: Graham Trott 100115,1075
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To: Scott Howell 70270,641 (X)
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Scott --
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I've uploaded the editor to the section 12 library. If you have any problems
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with it let me know.
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-- GT
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#: 18906 S6/Applications
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25-Sep-93 05:21:20
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Sb: NFM; Arcnet
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Fm: ROBERT S BAKER 100040,227
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To: All
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Just a couple of questions-
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1. Is anyone aware of a package that will allow NFM to run on a DOS machine?
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2. Is there software available to use TCP/IP on Arcnet?
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I will not be able to access Compuserve over the next week, so would appreciate
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any replies being sent via mail. Thanks!
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#: 18773 S9/Utilities
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11-Sep-93 16:52:18
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Sb: #18641-#OKI400 printer
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Do you plot much? I have a utility that takes data files and generates a
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labeled graph in plot(3x) format. Then I have backend drivers that convert
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that to epson (or star) dot matrix, hp laser jet, hp desk jet, and Houston
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Instrument plotter. Or on a Unix box, you can take the file and use any of
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their plot(3x) drivers to display/print/plot it. Or you can use my backends to
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print/plot a file generated with Unix 'graph'. I have a version of graph that
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runs on OSK too. I used gnuplot a bit but for what I do I prefer something
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that is not interactive and utilized more if the plot space available. I never
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think that anyone else can use this stuff so I never mention it. Is any of
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this of interest?
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Carl
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#: 18779 S9/Utilities
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11-Sep-93 22:00:38
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Sb: #18773-#OKI400 printer
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl, please post the plot stuff!
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#: 18799 S9/Utilities
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12-Sep-93 22:00:47
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Sb: #18779-OKI400 printer
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Ok. I will have to scrounge for docs. I assume you can look up plot(3x) in a
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Unix manual.
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Carl
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#: 18786 S9/Utilities
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12-Sep-93 05:32:59
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Sb: #18773-#OKI400 printer
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Gee Carl ... it's all of interest. I would have responded sooner but I've been
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on vacation sans laptop.
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My graphing interest has increased lately with my plotting stock data from the
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MQUOTE area and a recent purchase of the OKI400 printer (HPII compatable).
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Upload at your convenience!
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#: 18800 S9/Utilities
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12-Sep-93 22:02:24
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Sb: #18786-#OKI400 printer
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Should be able to get something up this week. I'm a bit tender about sources
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after ar, but maybe I'll do two packages, binaries and sources.
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Carl
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#: 18803 S9/Utilities
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13-Sep-93 08:27:22
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Sb: #18800-#OKI400 printer
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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> Should be able to get something up this week. I'm a bit tender about
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> sources after ar, but maybe I'll do two packages, binaries and sources.
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>
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I can understand your hesitation about releasing sources after the AR fiasco,
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but please don't let a couple of cheese-balls ruin it for the rest of us! ;-)
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I've learned quite abit from stompping through your code. I'd hate to loose
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that privilege.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18807 S9/Utilities
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13-Sep-93 22:56:36
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Sb: #18803-OKI400 printer
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Ok, Ok.. ;-)
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#: 18836 S9/Utilities
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18-Sep-93 20:30:33
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Sb: #18663-OKI400 printer
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I haven't tried it, but my plotter software runs the same to an LJII and a
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DJ500C. In addition, the manuals seem to indicate they use the same commands,
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so it *should* work. If I get a bit of time, I will compile it and check
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against both.
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#: 18884 S9/Utilities
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22-Sep-93 23:46:10
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Sb: #AR
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl,
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What is the current state of AR development? Beta version 1.92 has been posted
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since July and I have been using it (CoCo) with no problems except that the
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default 13 bit compression does not work on the CoCo so I have to call it with
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-uo or -ub12. Oh, yes; the help screen says that the default is 12 bits which I
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believe is incorrect.
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Is it safe to continue using it? Are there any planned changes which will make
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the files it produces obsolete? For me the major advantages over the earlier
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version (1.2) are:
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- MUCH faster operation (about twice as fast)
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- The DELETE function
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- The MOVE function
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- Slightly better compression on text files
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- Compression of binaries
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Is a final release version (2.0?) on the way?
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Ian
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#: 18894 S9/Utilities
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23-Sep-93 21:52:10
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Sb: #18884-AR
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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Ian,
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The current state of AR development is waiting for bug reports. When no more
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come in, I will make a formal, final release of 2.0.
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Yes, it is safe to continue to use. There will be no changes to make current
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files obsolete.
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Why can't you use 13 bits? Everyone else I talk to say they can. I can. Are
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you using LI? Do your friends have the same trouble?
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#: 18783 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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11-Sep-93 22:53:09
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Sb: #18748-#3.5 drive query
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Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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About the modem, it has suddenly started going off-hook as soon as it it turned
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on. Otherwise it is working quite well, apparently. As it is, if you turn it
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on, by the time you get set up to dial, the phone line has gone through the
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routine of the recording you get and going off-line or whatever. I'm using
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OSTerm and have been getting everything set up to dial and then turning it on.
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It's a cheapie Emerson I've had for a little over a year. I left a msg a
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couple of weeks ago here. It seems that my modems don't live over a couple of
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years.. Steve Wegert suggested that I m could be having trouble with
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lightening or something, but I don' t think that is the problem.
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Anyway, if I understand you correcttly, if the drive is working, then
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everything is OK, right?
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David
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#: 18802 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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13-Sep-93 06:45:15
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Sb: #18783-#3.5 drive query
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X)
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David,
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> Anyway, if I understand you correcttly, if the drive is working, then
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> everything is OK, right?
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Yes, that is correct. About your modem problem, it shouldn't go off hook until
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you issue it a dial command. If it is doing that as soon as you turn in on,
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something is wrong. Perhaps a register value as been set wrong that is causing
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this, or the modem is going bad.
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/************* /\/\ark ************/
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(uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.0)
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#: 18838 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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19-Sep-93 01:15:41
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Sb: #18802-#3.5 drive query
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Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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I kinda believe that the modem is going bad.. I've tried atf (or is it at&f,
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I'm composing online and won't bother looking it up now,but you get the idea)
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and it still stays off-hook. Another thing... I tried to store a faster dial
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rate to NV-ram and then "atz" and it went back to the default, so I do feel
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that it is going haywire. Otherwise, it seems to function faultlessly. I may
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try to get one of these things repaired, as I seem to be getting quite a
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collection of flakey modems.
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Well, hopefully, I'll get to say howdy in Atlanta, I think I saw where you said
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you would be there. I went last year, and met many faces to go with the names
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I see all the time.
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David
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#: 18903 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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24-Sep-93 22:57:30
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Sb: #18838-#3.5 drive query
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Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
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To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X)
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re you by any chance on a pulse dial line? I have an old Hayes which is
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holding up well but when I got a new (borrowed) 2400 baud Hayes it packed up
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quickly mayyer of months) by getting very noisy on the dialing relay (pulse you
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see) started to get wrong numbers and or unable to dial messages. Then a
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second USRobotics also went in a similar fashion so now I'm back to the good
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old Hayes. I wonder if the Telco shunt current isn't just a little too high
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for these newer modems with absolute bottom dollar relays and few users who
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still use pulse dialing. I am just opposed to letting the Telco take home an
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extra couple of dollars every month for the priveledge of using tone dialing.
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Especially when they will no longer install a pulse dial phone but still keep
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up the pretext that it is an optional extra. Wait till they HAVE to come and
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change it out at their cost. That's my motto. Bob
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18919 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Sep-93 22:40:37
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Sb: #18903-3.5 drive query
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Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
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To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
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No, I'm now using tone dialing, although I was on pulse till sometthing like a
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year ago. Yes, the extra charge is kind of a rip-off, but it is nice to get
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the faster dialing, etc. I suppose it is worth it. I changed over hoping to
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get better svc. I just might give a Hayes a try. I assumed that a USRobotics
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was near top-of-the-line. As i remember, it costs nearly as much as a Hayes,
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doesn't it?
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About the Telephone company's current... It could be... I live in a rural
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area so it's uncertain just what curent they are providing, although I'm really
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surprised as to how reliable and clear my data is most of the time. With my
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previous modem, a Smart Team, it would take spells of spewing out nothing but
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garbage. I cussed the Tel. Co. quite a bit but after getting this modem,
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everything is swell, except for this cotton-picking going off- hook on turn-on.
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#: 18816 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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15-Sep-93 01:11:41
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Sb: #gshell 1.25
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Fm: randy pischke 75460,205
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To: brother jeremy/ 76477,142 (X)
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Brother Jeremy,
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I downloaded your file of gshell 1.25 only to find out that it will not
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work. Your Ipatch file is looking for an original file of size 3A95h whereas
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gshell 1.24a is size 3b48h. I double checked and my gshell 1.24a is the correct
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size. Also, your Ipatch file has gshell 1.25 being smaller than 1.24a. Is this
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possible given the fact that features have been added. Please let me know if I
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have missed something along the way.
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Randy
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#: 18837 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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19-Sep-93 01:01:28
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Sb: #18816-gshell 1.25
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: randy pischke 75460,205
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Randy, I will have to check and get back to you on this. It may take a day or
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so. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 18817 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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15-Sep-93 01:33:42
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Sb: SCII drivers
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Fm: randy pischke 75460,205
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To: kevin darling/ 76703,4227 (X)
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kevin, how's it going? Haven't heard from you so I thought I would leave you
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anothe message. I have a problem using the disto SCII with my modem. I get a
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conflict between the clock module and the acia module which gives me lots of
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garbage when I try to use the modem. I get the same problem using wizpro with
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its special drivers. The onlything nonstandard I am doing is using a RS-232
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port addressed at FF30. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanx Randy.
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#: 18780 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 22:21:54
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Sb: #18746-Cribbage+Kwindows
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X)
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I'm of the same apinion, have most of the programs that Bob van der
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Poel wrote, and am satisfied with all of them! OS9 level II, and OSK...
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G'Day!
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Dieter
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#: 18781 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 22:21:57
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Sb: #18746-Cribbage+Kwindows
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X)
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|
BTW, I for got to ask in the last message, where can I get the InfoXpress
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program from?
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G'Day!
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|
Dieter
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#: 18774 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 16:52:50
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Sb: #18631-#PtyMan
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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I will hang this message here, although it is in response to the thread in
|
|
general.
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I do have screens running and running properly. I have used it since before
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|
the MM/1 (I remember arguing with Pease about screens vs. windows). I use it
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with both ptys and ptyman. I have found and fixed the most obnoxious bugs, but
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|
some remain. In general I prefer ptys over ptyman. I liked not filling up the
|
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device table and module dir with all those pty/tty pairs but ptyman has still
|
|
has several problems (page pause happens at a random point in the line vs. at
|
|
the end, the input buffer is flushed on the check for page pause release, page
|
|
pause release chars are buffered and eventually displayed, some signals are not
|
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handled right, line wrap is not handled right, can't do 'tmode normal', etc)
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that I haven't had time to chase. OTOH, ptys doesn't like the version of scf
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that comes with 2.4 (ver. 31). That is the reason you can't open more than a
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couple windows. It is an interaction with the signals and the changes MW made
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|
to kill processes on CD loss. It works fine with scf ver. 29, which is what I
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use. The only problem is getting the address for the shared memory right. As
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it came, it was set for an Atari ST, but I have fixed that so it should work on
|
|
anything. In addition, I hacked screen to use a named config file, so I can
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start up with different configurations (root window, 9 windows for my project,
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or 2 root windows, 2 C source windows, 2 OSK source windows, etc).
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|
So where are y'all now? Do you have the problems fixed or should you all trash
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what you have and I upload my versions?
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Carl
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#: 18776 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 19:03:01
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Sb: #18774-PtyMan
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl,
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Right now I'm using the version of screen that Bob van der Poel uploaded, which
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uses ptyman. I would really rather use ptys, for the same reasons you mention,
|
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but I don't want to use an old version of SCF. So as far as I'm concerned, at
|
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this point I'll stick with ptyman.
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-Bill-
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#: 18804 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-Sep-93 18:19:56
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Sb: #18774-#PtyMan
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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I am going to stick with ptyman for now. I agree with what you wrote about
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having all of the pty/tty pairs taking up space, but I like have a separate
|
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manager for the pty's. I am also using SCF edition#29. I haven't had any
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problems with Bob's ptyman upload, but I haven't tried to see how many screens
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I can use at once. I am using this on a KiX\30 with Wyse50 and Wyse60
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terminals.
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BUT we can never have too many choices. I would like to try out your modified
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ptys (this is the version that uses SCF, right?).
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David
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#: 18808 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-Sep-93 22:59:15
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Sb: #18804-PtyMan
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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Well, ptyman shouldn't care whether you use scf 29 or 31, so you should be ok.
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My preference would be ptyman too, but I just got tired of the bugs. Maybe I'll
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fix them one of these days....
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#: 18863 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 17:00:11
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Sb: #18720-Coco disks on MM1
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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hello Hugo
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I have been using the TOP-package UUCP/OXM for 3 years without problems.
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regards ole@danelec.dk
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#: 18772 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 16:12:46
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Sb: #18771-dcheck/del question
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X)
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I was afraid if that!. Oh well, time to get some floppies!
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#: 18778 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 22:00:37
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Sb: #18768-dcheck/del question
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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You *could* go in with a disk zapper (fm or ded) and set the first character of
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the bad file's name in the directory to a 0. That will lock out the file from
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being accessed and lockout the sectors allocated to the file from being
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reallocated. Of course, if the file contains good sectors too, it is a bit of a
|
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waste. However, as Zack said, the best thing to do is to restore the drive. I
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had problems with my original Quantum drive, but I called them and had it
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replaced. In about a year of running now I have yet to get a sector error.
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#: 18782 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Sep-93 22:22:09
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Sb: OS-9000 Sterm
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: All
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Can anyone tell me how to set the Terminal /T1 in OS-9000 to enable to RTS/CTS
|
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hardware hand shaking?
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|
I have finally figured out how to get the Sterm for OS-9000 from my PC's root
|
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directory in to the OS-9000 CMDS directory, am using the STERM terminal now but
|
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cant set to RTS/CTS flow controll in the /T1 module... Any help would be
|
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appriciated. Thanks!
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G'Day!
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|
Dieter
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#: 18792 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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12-Sep-93 14:37:30
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Sb: CirCad Demo
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: ALL
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|
I have just uploaded a slightly crippled version of my
|
|
CirCad schematic drawing program. Yep, another "crippled
|
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DEMO". The drawing functions are all there, but the file
|
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input/output functions are dead, except for the file I/O
|
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from the edit buffer, which works. I left that part in to
|
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allow users to trade little diagrams and saved "objects"
|
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easily and maybe make some of the explanations in technical
|
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discussions in the forum a little easier - just send a
|
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diagram.
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Circad draws diagrams on the MM/1 screen and writes them to
|
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a file in the PostScript printer control language. A
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second file stores the coded drawing commands in CirCad's
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own format.
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It includes a set of basic drawing tools and a few extra ones,
|
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and some built-in electrical and electronics schematic
|
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symbols.
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The program came about when I was preparing a schematic
|
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drawing for the electricians at a local factory where I had
|
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recently installed new electronic controls on a heating and
|
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air conditioning system.
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I had (finally) convinced GhostScript to compile and run on
|
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the MM/1 and I thought it could draw a neat diagram if I
|
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could write the file. I drew the schematic on graph paper
|
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and translated it into PostScript (with help from some
|
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reference books), writing the PostScript file with a text
|
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editor. The diagram looked great, but writing the
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PostScript file was a long job. At this point, CirCad began
|
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to develop.
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|
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CirCad is being distributed by Mark Griffith's "DIRT CHEAP
|
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COMPUTER STUFF Co." Contact Mark for price and
|
|
availability. (Mark is 76070,41 on CIS, MARKGRIFFITH on Delphi)
|
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|
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I will be at the coming `fest' in Atlanta. Look for the guy
|
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with the shiny head and glasses, drooling over the other
|
|
goodies at Mark's booth and trying to decide if he wants a
|
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tape drive or a floptical. (or a CD-ROM, or ALL of em - all
|
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I have to do is hit the Michigan Lottery).
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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#: 18798 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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12-Sep-93 21:52:38
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Sb: Diskcat
|
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
|
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To: All
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|
|
I have just uploaded an updated version of diskcat to lib 12. The original
|
|
version crashed if a disk was named with rendisk...that is because rendisk set
|
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the name on the disk with a null terminator instead of setting the high bit.
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Both programs have been fixed in this new upload. There were also a few typos,
|
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etc... Sorry for any inconvenience.
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#: 18818 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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15-Sep-93 17:31:29
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Sb: #printer driver
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Mark,
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It would appear inizing the /p descriptor clears up the problems I was having
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when killing a print job.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18821 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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16-Sep-93 19:05:06
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Sb: #18818-#printer driver
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Not sure what this thread is all about...but I thought I'd throw in my
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latest experience with NOT inizing drivers. I use /t3 and /4 for my
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modem and a remote terminal. If I don't INIZ them, using the modem causes
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/t4 (which is running tsmon) to change baud rate. It appears that it is
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good practice to iniz all devices? Or should some be left alone?
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#: 18823 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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17-Sep-93 06:50:37
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Sb: #18821-#printer driver
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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I iniz my T1 port (CoCo attached), but not T0 (modem attached), I'm going to
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try inizing P, as Steve has done, since I never did get the spooler working
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right, and maybe that was my problem.
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-Bill-
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#: 18832 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Sep-93 13:52:29
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Sb: #18823-printer driver
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Inizing /p also eliminates the problem of the computer locking up when you
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abort a print run.
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#: 18826 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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17-Sep-93 13:47:39
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Sb: #18821-#printer driver
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> Not sure what this thread is all about...but I thought I'd throw in my
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> latest experience with NOT inizing drivers. I use /t3 and /4 for my
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> modem and a remote terminal. If I don't INIZ them, using the modem
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> causes /t4 (which is running tsmon) to change baud rate. It appears that
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> it is good practice to iniz all devices? Or should some be left alone?
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Well ... that sort of depends. If I were to iniz my serial devices, mtsmon
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wouldn't sense the drop of DTR and recylcle itself upon loss of carrier. But
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... the stock tsmon hasn't figured out how to do that so inizing with the stock
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drivers shouldn't be a problem.
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By the way ... I've not had any problem with baud rate changing on it's own.
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The original comlaint I had was with the printer drivers. (I'm not using your
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polled stuff ... just the latest stock offerings from Carl).
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I've found that without inizing /p, killing a print job in process and
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attempting to send another job to the printer will hang the machine.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18831 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Sep-93 13:52:29
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Sb: #18826-#printer driver
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Speaking of monitoring DTR with tsmon...is there any way I can do something to
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avoid this:
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I have a terminal hooked up to /t4 via a 4 wire cable. The wires are
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assigned to GND, TXD, RXD and RTS. All works well, unless the terminal
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user does something to lock his process (probably a crash...). The only
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way to restart the remote user is to kill his shell, etc. from the
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consol.
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#: 18843 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 10:07:30
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Sb: #18831-#printer driver
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> I have a terminal hooked up to /t4 via a 4 wire cable. The wires are
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> assigned to GND, TXD, RXD and RTS. All works well, unless the terminal
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> user does something to lock his process (probably a crash...). The only
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> way to restart the remote user is to kill his shell, etc. from the
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> consol.
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>
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If you find a way ... lemme know! My console is in the basement while tubes
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are in various places in the house. Those stairs are gettiing to be a _real_
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drag!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18849 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 18:39:03
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Sb: #18843-#printer driver
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Having just promised myself to get more exercise (the wife and I are now both
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proud owners of mountain bikes and we've been going for regular rides, honest!)
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I can only suggest that running up and down the stairs is good for you <g>.
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#: 18856 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 10:20:32
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Sb: #18849-printer driver
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> rides, honest!) I can only suggest that running up and down the stairs is
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> good for you <g>.
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>
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Yeah yeah yeah .... you sound like my wife! :-)
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She's taken to buying low fat butter (why bother!) and wants me to cut down on
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my coffee intact.
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Geez ....
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18822 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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16-Sep-93 19:30:38
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Sb: #18818-printer driver
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve,
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> It would appear inizing the /p descriptor clears up the problems I was
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> having when killing a print job.
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Glad that fixed it for you!
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/************* /\/\ark ************/
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(uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.0)
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#: 18829 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Sep-93 13:41:44
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Sb: #new shell
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Fm: John Strong 72270,1555
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To: all
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Project: Forker
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Inspired by the excellent, Shell+ for OS-9 Level 2, StrongWare is
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developing a replacement shell for OS-9/68000 (OSK). This project
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is in a very early stage!, therefore no estimated release date is
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possible.
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Announcement purpose:
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1. To allow OSK users to comment on what features they would like
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to see in an enhanced shell for OSK.
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2. To give the OSK community an idea of the features planned for
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Forker, so that they may comment on them.
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3. To gauge the interest of OSKers in an enhanced shell. (Will it
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be worth the time and effort required to complete Forker?)
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4. To remind OSK programmers that they should check the standard
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enviroment variable, "SHELL", to obtain the name of the users
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shell, instead of just forking "shell".
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Forker options:
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-b print blocking.
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-nb no print blocking.
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-c display help for commands.
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-e[=<path>] print error explanations.
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-ne don't print error explanations.
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-p[=<prompt>] print prompt.
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-np don't print prompt.
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-t echo input lines.
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-nt don't echo input lines.
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-x exit on error.
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-nx don't exit on error.
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-l require "logout" to logout.
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-nl <eof> on input will logout.
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-v print attempts to execute command.
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-nv don't print attempts to execute command.
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Forker commands:
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chd or cd change data directory
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chx or cx change execution directory
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dl del a file
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dlx del a file (exec)
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err print long error message
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ex execute program as overlay
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hlp provide Help on utilities
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kill abort a process
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logout terminate current Shell
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lst list the contents of a file
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md make a directory
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mxd make a directory (exec)
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profile
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prtenv print enviroment variables
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rm remove a directory
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set set Shell options
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setenv set enviroment variables
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setpr set process priority
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unsetenv clears enviroment variable
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w wait for process to finish
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wait wait for child processes to finish
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Forker is being written in assembly language. An advance "Thank You"
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for your comments.
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John R. Strong
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StrongWare
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Box 361
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Matthews, IN 46957
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cis: 72270,1555
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#: 18834 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Sep-93 14:40:07
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Sb: #18829-new shell
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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I do a lot of work in Unix and like the shells that are available there
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(especially the Korn Shell). So I plan on using BASH for my replacement
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shell. It is nice not having say "darn!!! I can't do that with this shell"
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(cleaned up for publication ^^^^ :-o )
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David George
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#: 18844 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 10:07:37
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Sb: #18829-new shell
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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John,
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Now to throw cold water on your efforts but .... (you knew _that_ was coming!)
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With all the other shells (tshell, csh, sh, bash) available to OSK users, do we
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need yet another shell? Is it something so special folks already having access
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to the above will pay money for it?
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Why not divert your effort towards an application that we don't have for OSK?
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18852 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 21:04:20
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Sb: #18829-#new shell
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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John,
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A new shell must have several things to be interesting:
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1) aliases
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2) command history
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3) command line recall and edit
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4) for loops
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Of course, case, while, test, etc, would be nice. But I don't think a day goes
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by I don't type "for i in <somehting>; do <mung> $i; done" several times.
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#: 18853 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 23:23:11
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Sb: #18852-#new shell
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Fm: John Strong 72270,1555
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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>Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 >Now to throw cold water on your efforts but ....
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(you knew _that_ was coming!)
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Of course
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>With all the other shells (tshell, csh, sh, bash) available to OSK users, >do
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we need yet another shell?
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Are any smaller than 10k? My other OSK machine is a 512k Atari ST. Not a lot
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of memory for large Unix type shells, also the most common memory size for
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Burke & Burke's Rocket will probably be 512K.
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>Is it something so special folks already having access to the above will >pay
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money for it?
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That's the big question! Also don't forget that there are lots of folks who
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don't have access to those shells or CIS and/or the other services.
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>Why not divert your effort towards an application that we don't have for OSK?
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I'm also porting some of my games to the MM/1. CopyCat is 90% complete. Gems
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is being worked on. However porting 90+ pages of 6809 code & data to 68000
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code can get quite boring, so I've got to keep an interesting project on the
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back burner.
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>Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 >You might find it easier and more versatile
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to implement your extra features >via an 'alias' feature rather than
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hard-coding stuff into the shell.
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I plan to have an 'alias' feature, however hardcoding features has its
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advantages and in many cases not that hard.
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Here is the current code for dl (del), dlx (del -x), md (makdir) & mxd (makdir
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-x):
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delx: move.b #Exec_,d0
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bra.s del_1 del: moveq #0,d0
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del_1: move.l line(a6),a0 point a0 to pathlist
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os9 I$Delete
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bcs.s prterror
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move.l a0,line(a6)
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rts
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makxdir: move.b #Updat_+Exec_+Dir_,d0
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bra.s makdir1
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makdir: move.b #Updat_+Dir_,d0
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makdir1: move.w #$bf,d1 all attrs, exec non-shareable
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move.l line(a6),a0 point a0 to pathlist
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os9 I$MakDir
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bcs.s prterror
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move.l a0,line(a6)
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rts
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Fairly simple I think.
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> Good luck.
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Thanks Bob.
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John R. Strong
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StrongWare
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#: 18857 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 10:20:46
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Sb: #18853-new shell
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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> Are any smaller than 10k? My other OSK machine is a 512k Atari ST. Not a
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Now _that's_ a consideration I tend to overlook. Good point.
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> I'm also porting some of my games to the MM/1. CopyCat is 90% complete.
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Good to hear!
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>
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#: 18885 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 02:31:19
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Sb: #18829-#new shell
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Fm: keith bauer 71102,317
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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John,
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> Project: Forker
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>
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> Inspired by the excellent, Shell+ for OS-9 Level 2, StrongWare is
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> developing a replacement shell for OS-9/68000 (OSK). This project
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> is in a very early stage!, therefore no estimated release date is
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> possible.
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>
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I have two things I would like to see. One is that the prompt should be
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able to be setup so it shows the current working directory. The second is
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for it to know about basic. Currently I use SH, mainly because I can set
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it up so the command line is the CWD. If your Forker has these two features
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I am sure it will have many more and I will put my money where my mouth is.
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Good luck
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Keith Bauer
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CIS :71102,317 Delphi :keithbauer
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Internet:keithbauer@delphi.com
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Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.00 How 'bout them Cowboys!
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#: 18896 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 01:41:18
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Sb: #18885-new shell
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Fm: John Strong 72270,1555
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To: keith bauer 71102,317 (X)
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Keith,
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It knows about Basic, and will have more features than I listed.
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thanks.
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John Strong
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#: 18835 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Sep-93 20:22:13
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Sb: ##18829-new shell
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Fm: John Strong 72270,1555
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To: David George
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David,
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A UNIX style shell, such as the Korn shell, is a much larger project
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than I'm currently willing to undertake, especially since I don't use
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UNIX. I hate to admit it, but UNIX style shells are best left to C
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programmers.
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I'm looking for specific features to implement, rather than a shell to
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clone.
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John R. Strong
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StrongWare
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#: 18846 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 12:49:35
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Sb: #18835-#18829-new shell
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: John Strong 72270,1555 (X)
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You might find it easier and more versatile to implement your extra features
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via an 'alias' feature rather than hard-coding stuff into the shell. For
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example, you have a feature 'mkxdir'. However, I might prefer to use my own
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"super-dupper" makdir command. So why not have the option to create an alias
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which converts mkxdir into "makdir -x".
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Good luck.
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#: 18840 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 02:53:09
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Sb: #screen vert. term help
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: bob van der poel
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Bob,
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I downloaded the 'screen' virtual terminal program that you modified
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While the executable works great, I am having a problem compiling or actually
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linking 'ansi.c' It says it cannot find /h0/lib/os9lib.l, which I do not have.
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Where can I get this library file. I don't think 'os9lib.l' came with stantard
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system disk, at least I do not think so!
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I modified the Termcap in ansi.c to accept my screen colors termcap
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entries.
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#: 18850 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 18:39:06
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Sb: #18840-#screen vert. term help
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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Scott, the os9lib.l is part of the TOPS distribution. If it isn't posted here
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already let me know and I'll package my copy and post it.
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#: 18855 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 05:46:31
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Sb: #18850-#screen vert. term help
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I have to TOPS disks and have found os9lib.l. I am trying to add additional
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terminal capabilities to ansi.c. I compiles/links ok. but when it is ran, some
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of the term capabilities go away to the point that ved does'nt run. I am adding
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color capability to ansi.c by using my own 'homebrew' termcap codes, is this
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acceptable?
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#: 18859 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 14:14:27
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Sb: #18855-#screen vert. term help
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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> additional terminal capabilities to ansi.c. I compiles/links ok. but when
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> it is ran, some of the term capabilities go away to the point that ved
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Sounds like some of the problems I'm having. Can you show me where exactly in
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the code you're adding termcap capablilities? Perhaps _that_ where we're going
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wrong.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18860 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 16:04:45
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Sb: #18859-screen vert. term help
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I am modifying tha ansi.c code (line 87) where the termcap char array is
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initialized. I just added my 'homebrew' background/foreground codes to this
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section. If you like you can download color.lzh in section 12 of libs to get
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the full termcap spec for these colors. This are non-standard for I do not
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believe termcap has any color capability.
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#: 18861 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 16:14:33
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Sb: #18855-#screen vert. term help
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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There's already termcap codes for colors, lemme see...
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c0 = background color #0
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c1 thru c7 = back colors 1 thru 7
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d0 thru d7 = fore colors 0 thru 7
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Hope this helps,
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- Mike -
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BTW - The above are used by Emacs 3.12
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#: 18870 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 22:00:25
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Sb: #18861-screen vert. term help
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
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Mike, I just checked the system V termcap stuff I dl'd from here and they don't
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seem to have the c0.. and d0 stuff in there. However, they do have some other
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interesting stuff for colors. Too bad there isn't an "international termcap
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capabilities assignement office".
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#: 18876 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Sep-93 15:41:00
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Sb: #18861-screen vert. term help
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
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GREAT, lemme go and change my source code to reflect the standard!!
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#: 18845 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 10:07:48
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Sb: #screen
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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I'm attempting to get used to screen. So far so good, but it's less than
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intuative command structure is ahh .... wellll ....
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Anyway, I'm having some difficulties with the termcap entry and wondered if you
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could help.
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Right out of the box (so to speak), my copy of sterm wouldn't run as it
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required a 'le' parameter in the termcap. I popped the code, stuck one in,
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recompiled and all is well.
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But causing me real withdrawl is the absence of a standout mode. My tube
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emulates a tvi910 and does support so/se, but for some reason screen doesn't
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put one in. Even calling screen with -a option doesn't help here. Ideas?
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Also, I've not been able to get the ^\C command (that's an upper case 'C') to
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work. Shouldn't it terminate screen immediately? What am I missing?
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Have you tried to run DED in a screen window? I can't seem to get the <esc>
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key to be recognized (but it works fine in Sterm!) Ideas?
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18848 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 18:39:02
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Sb: #18845-#screen
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Not sure how much help I can be....after all, I didn't write this! But, lets
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see:
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Don't know why sterm needs 'le' (backspace code). I checked my source and it
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does look for it, but never seems to use it. Anyway, it is probably just as
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well to add it to screen. Matter of fact, the termcap creater in screen should
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really copy all the termcap entries and modify the ones it knows about? Maybe?
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I have standout defined in both my vsc and televideo 965 entries and screen
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seems to honor them just fine. Ummm, does the screen termcap entry show
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anything for "so/se"? Oh, do you have "me" defined. Looking at the source real
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fast...it appears that something is done to "so/se" if "me" is defined. I think
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the logic may be incorrect in ansi.c. Try taking "me" out of your termcap and
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see what happens. I think that the application is probably looking for "se" and
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ignoring "me".
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What is ^\C supposed to do? If I do a <CTRL-\> followed by a <C> I create a new
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screen. To delete the current screen I do an EOF which ptyman redefines as a
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CTRL-D (not ESC).
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Just tried DED. Seems to be okay expect for when it prints the lsn #. Seems to
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get gotoxy() screwed up.
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I wonder...before we all get hacking on this version, is there a more current
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unix version kicking around. Might be that termcap bug fixes have been done
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already.
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#: 18858 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 10:21:07
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Sb: #18848-#screen
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> Not sure how much help I can be....after all, I didn't write this! But,
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> lets see:
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>
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> I have standout defined in both my vsc and televideo 965 entries and
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> screen seems to honor them just fine. Ummm, does the screen termcap entry
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> show anything for "so/se"? Oh, do you have "me" defined. Looking at the
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> source real fast...it appears that something is done to "so/se" if "me" is
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The screen termcap doesn't show anything for so/se, and I don't have 'me'
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defined in my tvi910 entry. I need to use a couple different terminals with
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screen and see if I can spot a pattern. Standout isn't a big deal on the tvi
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tube as it really handles it poorly, but using 'nn' on the university computer
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required it .... until I figured out how to turn on the 'slow' mode which marks
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each selection with an '*' rather than hilighting.
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>
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> What is ^\C supposed to do? If I do a <CTRL-\> followed by a <C> I create a
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> new screen. To delete the current screen I do an EOF which ptyman
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> redefines as a CTRL-D (not ESC).
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The man page may be a bit unclear with this. What I'm tring to do is terminate
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the screen session immediately. Right now I have to <cntrl-\><k> my way through
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all the windows before it quits. The man pages seem to indicate there's an
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'immediate' kill switch.
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>
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> Just tried DED. Seems to be okay expect for when it prints the lsn #.
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> Seems to get gotoxy() screwed up.
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Where I hap problems was in Editing .... hitting the <ESC> key to switch
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between byte/char modes, Ded just sat there.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18867 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 21:01:24
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Sb: #18858-#screen
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Regarding the kill all windows and quit did you try <CTRL><\><CTRL><\>
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(in other words ^\^\)? It looks to me like ^\k kills current window
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and ^\^\ kills all windows and terminates screen.
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To ALL:
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Maybe we should change screen to terminfo?
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#: 18874 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Sep-93 13:37:18
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Sb: #18867-screen
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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> Regarding the kill all windows and quit did you try <CTRL><\><CTRL><\>
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> (in other words ^\^\)? It looks to me like ^\k kills current window
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> and ^\^\ kills all windows and terminates screen.
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Yup ... that just jumps me to another window. Strange.
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>
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> To ALL:
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> Maybe we should change screen to terminfo?
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> Argh!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18869 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 22:00:24
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Sb: #18858-screen
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I get the same problem with ESC in ded. Mind you, ya probably shouldn't be
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using it from a remote terminal anyways...maybe it knows?? I tried changing the
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EOF char in the path desc. in the pty generated tmode entry but it didn't
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change anything.
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Funny about so/se disappearing. You might want to have a look at the ansi.c
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file to see what screen is saving/swallowing. Might spot something in your
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termcap I'm missing from mine which is causing the problem. I just know that
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so/se get passed to my vsc and tv965 entries.
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Oh, I see what you mean about CTRL-\. Having a fast look at screen.c it appears
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that there is a test for META-META...which is what you are doing since META by
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default is CTRL-\. Guess you'll have to recompile with the KEY_QUIT set to
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something else. It should just be a matter of changing the slot KEY_QUIT is
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assigned to in InitKeyTab().
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#: 18877 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Sep-93 17:31:58
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Sb: #18848-screen
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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I've narrowed down the missing so/se problem to some type of test statement in
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ansi.c. It checks for sg<=0. The sg parameter in my tvi910 entry is set for 1.
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When I change that to 0, so/se reappear in screen's termcap entry.
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I hacked in the entries for ho (needed it for a cls command I use) and le
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(sterm) and seem to be doing just fine.
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Not sure why the standout glitch is messing with things but ..
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18851 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Sep-93 20:36:49
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Sb: #Accelerator
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: MM/1 owners
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MM/1 owners,
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I need a small poll of potential MM/1 accelerator customers. We have placed
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three beta units and preliminary results are starting to come in. The first
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disturbing one is that Paul's board house apparently substitiuted 74HC257 parts
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for the spceified 74AC257 parts. The result of this is that the MM/1 will not
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run with three cycle memory access.
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There are two solutions: ship a four cycle pal or replace the 257's. The four
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cycle pal will reduce performance by 20% (2800 dhrystones at 16Mhz to 2250),
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which is still a large improvement, but not as much as *I* wanted when we
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designed this. You can install proper parts (three needed, available from
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DigiKey for $1.23 each), or Kevin or perhaps Mark could provide and install the
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right parts for perhaps $25.
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The question then is, is there preference for any of the three solutions or are
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there more alternatives?
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1) Four Cycle pal and lower performance.
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2) You change three chips.
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3) You pay someone else to change three chips.
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4) ???????
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Please reply to 71076,76 (or 71076.76@compuserve.com)
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I don't know where most MM/1 users hang out. Could someone perhaps copy this
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to any other services where MM/1 users can be found?
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Carl
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#: 18862 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 16:14:43
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Sb: #18851-Accelerator
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Personally, I'd change the 3 chips myself, but it's probably a good idea to
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have the service available. I _don't_ like option 1 (4 cycle pal).
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- Mike -
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#: 18864 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 19:27:26
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Sb: #18851-Accelerator
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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After playing with Ghostscript and TeX, I am very interested in anything that
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makes my michine faster (GRIN).
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I can change chips.
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Lots of MM/1 users hang out on Delphi (tho many of those are here too) - I will
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post your query there if someone else hasn't beat me to it.
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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#: 18865 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 20:28:55
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Sb: #18851-#Accelerator
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl, Without opening up my box, I don't know if the 257s are socketed or glued
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in...probably the later and I don't like to practice my limited skills on a
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multi-layer board. The other problem I see is sending the board off for
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service/upgrading...just because of some of the long delays we've all
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experienced in the past I'm hesitate to let things out of my grasp. Maybe the
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slower solution would be best? Don't know.
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#: 18878 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Sep-93 22:01:20
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Sb: #18865-#Accelerator
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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They are not socketed. We are hoping that only a few early boards are a
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problem. So far lots of people seem to have the faster parts.
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I understand your concerns. All I can say is that this is a different set of
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people. I hope better, but only time will tell that.
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So far it is about 10:1 in favor of speed and changing chips if necessary.
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#: 18900 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 19:57:23
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Sb: #18878-#Accelerator
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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I've lost track of the part numbers... I just checked my I/O board and I have 3
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74HC257's next to the RAM. Are those the bad ones? If so, could I bring the
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board with me to Atlanta next weekend? Maybe someone there can do the surgery
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(Mark???)?
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#: 18912 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 16:17:10
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Sb: #18900-#Accelerator
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Those are the bad ones. Pease will have good chips with him in Atlanta.
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Perhaps you can find a surgeon there too ;)
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#: 18917 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 19:24:06
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Sb: #18912-Accelerator
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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Okay. I'll pack the i/o board in with my other valuables. Do you know if there
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will be 9meg or cpu boards avail in Atlanta?
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#: 18866 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 20:36:11
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Sb: #18851-#Accelerator
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Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl,
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If those chips are socketed I'd say do the chip swap. If they're soldered in,
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forget it. I'm not going to endanger a $1500 investment with a soldering iron.
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Coco's were different. They were cheap and easy to replace if necessary, the
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MM1 is not.
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Hugo
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#: 18879 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Sep-93 07:07:27
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Sb: #18866-Accelerator
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
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Hugo,
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> If those chips are socketed I'd say do the chip swap. If they're soldered
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> in, forget it.
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Your chips are soldered in.
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#: 18892 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 19:17:27
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Sb: #18851-#Accelerator
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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I peeked. Looks like 74AC257s . It's kinda tricky, the "A" doesn't quite meet
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at the top point, but the sides of the letter definetly slope, so I'm pretty
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sure its not an "H". Serial nr 120838. Kinda like trying to tell the
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difference between a "U" and a "V" in the model or serial number of an
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appliance with a DMP-printed tag. ARGH.
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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#: 18893 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 21:51:30
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Sb: #18892-Accelerator
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
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You are probably OK then. Current thought is that it is only the first 10 or
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15 I/O boards built that are the problem.
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#: 18909 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 13:59:29
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Sb: #18851-#Accelerator
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Personally I prefere to change the three chips!
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Let me know when the boards are ready for shipmant, might order one myself!
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G'Day!
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Dieter
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#: 18913 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 16:18:34
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Sb: #18909-Accelerator
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766 (X)
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Thanks. There is *supposed* to be a general announcement soon about
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availability.
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#: 18854 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 01:27:52
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Sb: poll
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: 71076,76 (X)
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Carl, I would have no problem with #2.
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Larry Olson
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#: 18868 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Sep-93 21:09:54
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Sb: #BASH
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: 76703,4255 (X)
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I have some notes on BASH that I hope maybe you can pass on to the
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person you got it from.
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When I first start bash I get shell-init: getwd: cannot access parent
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directories.
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Whenever I cd I get cd_links: getwd: cannot access parent directories
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(it does allow the cd though, so I can change dir) and also cd: getwd:
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cannot access parent directories.
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I tried running as user 0.0 and also all parent directories (back to /h0)
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are d-ewrewr
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Thanks.
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David
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PS. or maybe he would allow the source to be posted and I could take a
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look at it myself seeing as how no-one else has said anything about
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this problem.
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Thanks again.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18875 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Sep-93 13:37:30
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Sb: #18868-#BASH
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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> I have some notes on BASH that I hope maybe you can pass on to the
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> person you got it from.
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>
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> When I first start bash I get shell-init: getwd: cannot access parent
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> directories.
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> Whenever I cd I get cd_links: getwd: cannot access parent directories
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> (it does allow the cd though, so I can change dir) and also cd: getwd:
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> cannot access parent directories.
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> I tried running as user 0.0 and also all parent directories (back to /h0)
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> are d-ewrewr
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Very strange ....
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In my breif testing of bash, I get none of these difficulties. It seems pretty
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solid right out of the box.
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How are you impletmenting it? I'm just loading it into memory and calling it.
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Anyone else having problems?
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18904 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 23:05:18
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Sb: #18875-#BASH
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I am just calling bash. When it first starts up I get that message.
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I also tried using it as my login shell (in password file) and I got
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: (E$BPNam) Bad pathlist specified
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The pathlist specified is syntactically incorrect.
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So I took it back out of password and call it after I have logged in.
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Something I might be doing different. Are you always user 0.0 ?
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I use systs and login as user 0.10
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However I seem to remember trying it as 0.0 and getting the same results.
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David
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18911 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 14:13:48
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Sb: #18904-BASH
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: David George 72240,134
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> I am just calling bash. When it first starts up I get that message.
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>
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> I also tried using it as my login shell (in password file) and I got
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> : (E$BPNam) Bad pathlist specified
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> The pathlist specified is syntactically incorrect.
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> So I took it back out of password and call it after I have logged in.
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>
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> Something I might be doing different. Are you always user 0.0 ?
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> I use systs and login as user 0.10
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>
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Thought you were onto something with the user id thing so I did a couple of
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tests. Calling bash as user 3.3 showed no problems. I also set up user 3.3
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first program as bash ... again, no problem.
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Lessee ... may be time for a review:
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I've got bash in my /dd/cmds directory. Here's an ident:
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Header for: bash
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Module size: $3B3AC #242604
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Owner: 0.0
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Module CRC: $439D2C Good CRC
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Header parity: $825C Good parity
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Edition: $A #10
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Ty/La At/Rev $101 $8001
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Permission: $555 -----e-r-e-r-e-r
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Exec off: $4E #78
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Data size: $6908 #26888
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Stack size: $4C00 #19456
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Init. data off: $358A6 #219302
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Data ref. off: $3A40A #238602
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Prog Mod, 68000 obj, Sharable
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Does it match yours?
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The file attributes are:
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/dd/CMDS:
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1 file; 242604 total bytes
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attrib group.owner bytes modified filename
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-------- ----------- ------- -------------- --------
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--e-rewr 0.0 242604 93/09/05 20:47 bash
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Same?
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I'm stummped. The file has been downloaded by a number of other folks. I wonder
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if they're having any difficlties?
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*- Steve -*
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#: 18881 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Sep-93 19:17:01
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Sb: Gnu-Zip
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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Has anyone ported gnuzip to osk? I see a number of files in this format over in
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the unixforum and I'd like to grab them. Just noticed that the source if
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there...packed in a gnuzip (.TGZ) archive. And at 220K I don't intend to
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download and see if any of my existing programs will melt it.
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#: 18882 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Sep-93 22:31:29
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Sb: #Upload Space
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: SYSOP (X)
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Help! I started to upload a big (make that HUGE) series of files and got an
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error message (libs full - contact SYSOP)
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The upload is my port of Ghostscript, version 2.6.1 for OSK.
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So far, I got the first two (of 15) files uploaded - hope to get the rest of it
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up by the weekend. It will probably take a couple more nights to get it all on
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(assuming you can make the space available).
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This program prints "laser quality" documents with my MM/1 and a 24-pin epson
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or deskjet. It's a monster, but it's worth it.
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Thanks
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John Wainwright
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 18883 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Sep-93 22:33:21
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Sb: #18882-#Upload Space
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
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John,
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Just how much space do you need for the 15 files?
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Wayne
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18890 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 19:17:07
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Sb: #18883-#Upload Space
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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> John,
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>
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> Just how much space do you need for the 15 files?
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>
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> Wayne
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>
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Wayne, total 3,436,286 bytes. (Told ya it was HUGE). g261ex.lzh and g261in.txt
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are already uploaded. The little one (g261in.txt) is an index to the others.
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Directory of . 19:36:27
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Owner Last modified Attributes Sector Bytecount Name -------
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------------- ---------- ------ --------- ----
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr 12434 146431 g261do.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr 4000 224145 g261dv.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr F7B4 213341 g261ex.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2209 ------wr 13A18 677949 g261f1.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2209 ------wr EA98 854226 g261f2.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr 9218 174412 g261hd.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2255 ------wr F019 2420 g261in.txt
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr E795 196837 g261li.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr F68D 122280 g261mk.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2209 ------wr 1257E 314927 g261qk.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr 41B7 94787 g261s1.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr E526 194026 g261s2.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr E27C 84499 g261s3.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr E6A2 123745 g261s4.lzh
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0.0 93/09/22 2207 ------wr F000 12261 g261sc.lzh
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OS9 has come a long way since the 16k COCO, hasn't it?
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18920 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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26-Sep-93 01:02:42
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Sb: #18890-Upload Space
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
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Hmmm... obviously, we're going to need to do some housekeeping in order to
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accomodate this.
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Re: OS9 coming a long way - yeah, and the files have kept on getting bigger,
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and bigger, and bigger. And, I can remember when you could run a fairly good
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BBS system on a 48K Model 4 - but that was in machine code, which no one seems
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to use any more, today.
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Wayne
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#: 18888 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 17:35:47
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Sb: #18882-#Upload Space
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
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Sorry for the hassle, John. I should have mentioned to you to give us a shout
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before you planned on uploading. We could have made sure there was enough space
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available.
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Let's see what Wayne can do in the way of waving that magic wand of his! :-)
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*- Steve -*
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18891 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 19:17:16
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Sb: #18888-Upload Space
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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No problem, Steve. Even for as big a system as CIS, I guess storage space
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fills up sooner or later. I'll wait for a "go signal" from you or Wayne before
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I send the rest. (I gave Wayne a list of files and sizes).
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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#: 18895 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Sep-93 23:41:16
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Sb: #Kved
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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*** CALL FOR BETA TESTERS ***
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Ken Scales has written a graphical front end for Ved and Vprint for use on the
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mm/1 with kwindows called KVED. This program brings point and click commands to
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ved and an enhanced macro/framework suite for developing vprint and programming
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language support. We'd like to have some existing Ved/Vprint users test this
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out...so here's a too-good-to-be-true offer. If you are a current Ved and
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Vprint registered owner and run them on the mm/1, send us a disk in a mailer
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and we'll copy the latest versions of the programs plus kved to your disk and
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return it to you, no charge. The only stipulation is that the disk must reach
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us before Oct 15/93 and you must agree to give any feedback on the combo to
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BVDP Software or to Ken Scales.
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 18898 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 17:31:40
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Sb: #18895-#Kved
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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Any chance of me getting in on this beta test project? Some folks have come to
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cll me the Beta Tester from Hell!
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Is the front end only useful to those using _both_ VED and VPRINT?
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You should have my disk (not to mention the check!!) by now sitting in the ID
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post office box.
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*- Steve -*
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18902 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 21:30:41
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Sb: #18898-Kved
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Yeah, I've heard about your nickname before. However, kved is a frontend for
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ved. The vprint stuff is really just an extra.
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#: 18908 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 13:59:20
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Sb: #18895-#Kved
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Fm: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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I would like to test the KVED program, will be sending a disk out your
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way today, Also how much $ should I send You for an upgrade of all the programs
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I have from you for my MM/1?
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G'Day!
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Dieter G. Rossmann
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 18916 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 19:24:05
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Sb: #18908-Kved
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Dieter G. Rossmann 70314,1766 (X)
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Don't worry about $. I'll have to give you the latest ved and vprint anyway,
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and there should be room on the disk for vmail.
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#: 18897 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Sep-93 16:04:25
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Sb: #fmod function
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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Does anyone have source for a fmod() function in C (NOT modf()!)?
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Thanks.
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 18907 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 08:19:06
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Sb: #18897-#fmod function
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I'll upload the fmod() source to lib 12.
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 18915 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 19:24:05
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Sb: #18907-fmod function
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
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Thanks Mike. I'll go look right now.
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#: 18922 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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26-Sep-93 11:49:42
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Sb: #18907-fmod function
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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Mike, I got the fmod(). Thanks. It is amazing...this is a 2 line function and
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yet I have a listing for the same in Plauger's 'The Standard C Library' and it
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goes on for a full page, plus it calls 2 other full page functions. I
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wonder--which do you think runs faster? <g>.
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#: 18914 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 18:19:24
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Sb: #18897-fmod function
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob, I just uploaded GZIP 1.2.2 to lib 12.
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- Mike -
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#: 18918 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Sep-93 19:24:14
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Sb: Cribbage
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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*** New Product Announcment ***
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Bob van der Poel Software is pleased to announce the availability of their
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famous cribbage game for the MM/1 computer. This is a fully featured
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implimentation of the famous card game for you to play against the computer.
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Cribbage needs a mm/1 computer running Kwindows. It will be demoed at the
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upcoming Atlanta Fest; however it is in stock right now for immediate shipping.
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Price is only $19.95 plus $2.00 s/h. For more information leave email or
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contact us at 604-866-5772, or PO Box 355, Porthill, ID, 83853.
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