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#: 14851 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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07-Apr-92 23:01:38
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Sb: #14844-I Give Up
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Believe me, gratuitous insults and flamage *are* wasted effort, and I think
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that we now have more than enough examples of that. Perhaps further study of
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how to motivate people is in order.
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(Opinions expressed here are solely those of the author.)
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#: 14852 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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08-Apr-92 00:30:32
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Sb: #14844-I Give Up
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Sure, a few people have had prototype machines for years. What's your point?
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There aren't a bunch of OS-9 developers with any graphics experience, and even
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they only work on programs in their spare time. So I don't think anyone
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expects a multi-color Lotus 1-2-3 clone to suddenly spring forth.
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I think we *will* see some neat stuff, but it takes time and money... which are
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both in short supply during this recession.
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But going around posting morose messages with "I don't think the windows will
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ever be finished" and crap like that sure doesn't help any. And no, insults
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don't make difficult code easier to write. What a strange idea.
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Hey, doomsayers are a dime a dozen everywhere. Try stopping into Amiga or
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Atari groups sometime... there's always a heavy thread going on about how
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"Ohmigod it's too little too late" or "Our system is doomed" or you-name-it.
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It's so sad it's almost funny. What a misdirected waste of time and effort!
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And frankly, it's a slap in the face to people who're still working hard.
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#: 14862 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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08-Apr-92 20:10:41
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Sb: #14844-I Give Up
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Fm: Dan Robins 70007,3264
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Mark,
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RE: "I seriously doubt if the MM/1 effort will make it now".....
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Seems to me that you shouldn't be blaming anyone for this statment other than
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the folks at IMS. From someone who's been burned by their meaningless promises
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(namely, yours truly)....you'll get no sympathy. My faith in them was lost a
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while back.
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Dan (who's been biting his tongue for a long time)
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#: 14853 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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08-Apr-92 00:30:55
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Sb: #14845-I Give Up
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)
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Frank,
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Don't nitpick :-) I meant $300 for the additional G-Windows developer's
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package if bought separately, of course. The point being: you need it if you
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want to program G-W specific stuff, vs just being a user.
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I've got nothing against that, of course. I can no longer live without
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charging something either :-)
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Hate to admit it, but I haven't fully hooked up the TC70 yet. It ended up
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arriving a week or so after I got in Tony's color digitizer, and things got
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clogged up around here. You know how that goes <sigh>. Should have it working
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by this weekend, I think, tho. Give a call Sunday night.
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kevin
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#: 14854 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 02:06:11
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Sb: #14810-#GNU C Compiler
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Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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I'll answer in the order of your questions: On FidoNet (OS9), the regional
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libraries are posted monthly. On other networks, they have been posted
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irregularly (this should change to monthly, soon).
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Our services include: The NetNews 8 OS-9 file areas Member directory
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(international) Vendors listing (1st in 2 mos.) Job listing (time?) Microware
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(and other relevant vendor's) product announcements
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Our former secretary was overburdened with too many resposibilities. Her duties
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are now assumed by two officers.
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If I can help answer any other questions you may have, concerning the OS9CN,
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please feel free to ask.
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Tom Birt - OS9CN Editor
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#: 14868 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 21:48:48
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Sb: #14854-#GNU C Compiler
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Tom Birt 76640,1205 (X)
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Thanks very much for the answers and candor. I have to admit to being a bit
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disappointed that the excitment that surrounded my sending in my membership
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request (at the prospect of some form of UG forming) was dashed by the months
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of silence that followed and the difficulty of getting a simple answer like
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yours from John, but maybe there is hope here after all. I hope I don't seem
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hostile, because that isn't the intent.
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Again, thanks very much.
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#: 14875 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 00:24:46
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Sb: #14868-GNU C Compiler
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Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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We certainly have drifted off of the subject of the GNU compiler, but I hope
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our correspondance will help all who read this thread to become interested in
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getting involved with the OS9CN. It should become a real "shot in the arm" for
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perpetuating interest in my (and I hope your) favorite operating system. Stay
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tuned here for further news on our communications progress (with the proper Sb:
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heading). :)*
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Tom Birt - OS9CN Editor
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#: 14877 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 03:48:10
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Sb: #14868-GNU C Compiler
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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This OS9CN sounds interesting. What is it?.
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#: 14891 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 16:28:06
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Sb: #14759-GNU C Compiler
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Yes, I must admit that I have an ST1040FM running OSK(V2.4), allthough I don't
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run it every night. The problem with the GNU-c-compiler is that it will most
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likely not run in the Atari, because of to little memory. The ansi-c-compiler
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is almost 500k in object when it is unpacked, and the C++ is over 700kb(it
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takes a bit to load it the first time). I have used it a bit, to port
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'unix'-stuff to os9. Using the 'v7make' from top-munic-package and the
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GNU-c-compiler made the ports not so painfull as with Microwares compiler.
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regards ole
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#: 14855 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 02:49:58
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Sb: #14848-#MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen, Yes, I just happen to catch a message that gave Signetics phone number.
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There is probably quite a number of people that would like that chip info, and
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don't know that it is available. We need to spread the word. Oh, I bet
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Signetics will like that ;-)
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#: 14873 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 23:27:35
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Sb: #14855-#MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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Hi Larry... Yeah, I hope that a sudden flurry of requests for free info won't
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make them consider charging for it to pay for costs. Who knows? Guess it
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depends on how well they're doing financially...
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#: 14876 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 00:25:29
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Sb: #14873-#MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen, Thats what I was wondering, if they would notice all the sudden
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requests, realize whats going on, and decide to make some money. Maybe not, it
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might be that a BIG company like them with lots of tax lawyers, uses these
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give-aways in a big tax write off.
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#: 14921 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 03:08:41
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Sb: #14876-MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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Hi Larry... Yah, probably so...
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#: 14858 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 15:21:17
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Sb: #14830-#MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen,
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Do give Paul a call. He wants your feedback.
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Steve
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#: 14874 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 23:30:37
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Sb: #14858-MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Hi Steve... Yeah I guess I should call Paul (PKW). I used to try several times
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a day when I was waiting for my base unit - was never able to get him on the
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line, though he did return my call once. I hope I still can't cause that
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probably means he's working hard on getting me my manuals and I/O board. <grin>
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#: 14856 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 06:37:20
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Sb: #14847-MM/1 Tech Manual
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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You're right about that pinout on the parallel ports. I'll change it in the
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next edition. I did give Mark Sheffield pinouts for all the chips in the MM/1.
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Most of them did not appear though and I don't know why.
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Mark PS. I won't flame you. You are normally a good decent person. I tried
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lots of other methods to get some people to do things over the years and it all
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didn't work.
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#: 14859 S7/Telecommunications
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08-Apr-92 15:38:34
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Sb: #14850-#OSTerm
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Paul,
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Can't help fixing the OSTERM problem but I can offer a work around for the bit
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with needing a control C to log into CompuServe:
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Instead of hitting a ^C, just thump return. You'll be prompted for a HOST, to
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which you need to reply CIS or CPS.
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After that it's just like you're used to.
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There is a big advantage using this method over the ^C, in that you won't
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inadvvertantly drop the line. You're always taken back to the HOST prompt for a
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final OFF command.
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Hope this helps.
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Steve
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#: 14893 S7/Telecommunications
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09-Apr-92 21:26:47
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Sb: #14859-#OSTerm
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Yeah, that does help except that if I leave OSTerm in learn mode while I
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log onto CIS, by the time I'm typing the last characters of my password
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something goes awry and the program terminates with this divide error. Know of
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any full featured terminal programs that run under OS9 ?
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Paul
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#: 14909 S7/Telecommunications
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10-Apr-92 21:13:29
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Sb: #14893-#OSTerm
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Paul,
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Depends on what you mean by full featured. I've been using Sterm for years. It
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meets all my need.
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Steve
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#: 14939 S7/Telecommunications
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11-Apr-92 18:20:51
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Sb: #14909-OSTerm
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I'm using Sterm right now. When going onto other BBS's I like to be able to
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change baud without quitting and xmode'ing, Y-modem is nice, and a dialing
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directory is kinda nice. Sterm works real well on CIS.
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Paul
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#: 14860 S7/Telecommunications
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08-Apr-92 17:15:15
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Sb: #14801-Garble?
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Thanks for the feedback, Steve. I've been out of town and will have to get
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back to the missing LF problem now. I will look (again) at DEFAULT, but that
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was source of some problems of a different nature a couple of weeks ago and I
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think it's all ok now (but will recheck). I'll also have to try to be more
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critical in my observation of the glitch to see as exactly as I can when and
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where it happens. I'm inclined to a belief that it is something related to the
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scrolling of the screen at the end of a message. I suspect there's something a
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bit different about the sequence of characters at the end of a message that at
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the end of a line in the middle of a message; and that this is somehow tangling
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with the scrolling of my local monitor. I don't know of anything unusual in my
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setup; Magnavox monitor connected to the RGB output of COCO3; running Shell+;
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using the Shack Serial Pak; using the Disto Super Controller and the OWL/LR
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hard disk controller. I don't really believe any of the disk controller paks
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likely since I'm not logging when the line feed gets dropped. So.o.o.o, I'll
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ponder and watch closely and see what occurs. Thanks for encouragement. Ches.
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08-Apr-92 20:32:40
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Sb: #14801-#Garble?
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve, it may be a longer search than I feared. Apparently, STERM is inserting
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a $09 at infrequent intervals. The result is to bump the cursor up one line
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part way thru the line, then the next $0D starts the next line and over writes
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what was on that line. The $09 apparently comes in just after the * Replies:
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so the reply msg number(s) show up in the body of the message and the next line
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writes over the * Replies . Interesting but somewhat confusing. The message
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that had the garble is quite repeatable as to the insertion of the $09 on STERM
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but no such garble when that same message is received on WIZ. Wiz and STERM
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use different drivers so that may give me a clue. But why is a $09 always
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inserted just before the reply msg numbers??? Cute, huh. Ches.
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#: 14869 S7/Telecommunications
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08-Apr-92 22:09:05
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Sb: #14863-Garble?
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
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Hmm ....
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Interesting that $09 is the COCO/MM1 control code for cursor up. Sterm is just
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doing what it's told to do ... passing the $09. Your screen is just acting upon
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it. Sterm is not inseting it ... but it must be getting it from somewhere.
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Now ... why doesn't this happen on my screen?
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What do you have your CIS default terminal type set to?
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Steve
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08-Apr-92 22:26:25
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Sb: #14863-#Garble?
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
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Ches,
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Take one more trip to Default. I'll bet your TABs are set to REAL.
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Since the CoCo windows interprets a TAB (^I) as a cursor up, your screen is
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gonna dance whenever an $09 is in the stream.
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Change that puppy to SIMULATED and I'll bet the problem dissappears.
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Steve
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#: 14883 S7/Telecommunications
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09-Apr-92 06:47:16
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Sb: #14872-Garble?
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve, You're probably right, and that would explain why it doesn't come in
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from WIZ which probably interprets the TAB as a TAB. I'm on my way to DEFAULT
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(again). I didn't know CoCo windows interpreted a $9 as cursor up; I thought
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$11 (^K) was cursor up. Thanks much for your guidance. Regards, Ches.
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#: 14884 S7/Telecommunications
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09-Apr-92 06:51:33
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Sb: #14872-#Garble?
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve, as you predicted, simulated tabs removes the error. Thanks much for
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your guidance. Regards, Ches.
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#: 14885 S7/Telecommunications
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09-Apr-92 07:09:53
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Sb: #14884-#Garble?
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
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Sorry it took so long, Ches. It finally dawned on me when I looked at a cheat
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sheet I had for control codes.
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Steve
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#: 14898 S7/Telecommunications
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10-Apr-92 05:14:44
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Sb: #14885-Garble?
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Didn't seem long to me, Steve. I sure appreciate your guidance. Ches.
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#: 14864 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 20:36:34
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Sb: Kwindows
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Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
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To: 76703,4227 (X)
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I am having trouble with the vt70 driver on my tc70.......random blank lines
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after using dynastar,
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cant see the top line on the magnavox monitor, the 24 line screen is hard to
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read since the
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characters are so narrow they fit over 100 on the screen, does not work with
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some software.
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I wonder if kwindows will make some improvments here. Does the version Frank
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is now selling use
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a different font or graphics mode?
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Does it hot key instantly between screens like coco windows or does it paint
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the screen in
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relatively slow brush strokes?
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I know that a volonteer is rewriting vt70 for vt100 emulation - will your
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current package be
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compatable?
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Do you have some docs for the do you have some docs for the package being
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sold?
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I s there a gif viewer for the tc70 under kwindows and does it show 256
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colors?
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If frank pushes vga with the pcxt card adapter will kwindows be changed to
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work with it?
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What monitor are you using on your tc70 ? Do you feel it is sharp enough to
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use all day?
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Hope to hear from you soon... thanks for supporting the tc70!
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#: 14865 S1/General Interest
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08-Apr-92 21:38:18
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Sb: #14818-#New AR Developments
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Duly noted. How much of a speed hit are folks willing to absorb for new
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features in ar? Reason being that better compression might require keeping
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tables on disk, thus slowing ar by a factor of 10 or more.
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#: 14888 S1/General Interest
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09-Apr-92 07:56:19
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Sb: #14865-New AR Developments
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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I'll check...
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Lee
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#: 14914 S1/General Interest
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11-Apr-92 01:31:34
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Sb: #14865-New AR Developments
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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re Ar improvements: on the other hand the latest version of lharc seems to have
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most the requested improvements. But it is painfully slow, proving that you
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don't get nothing for nothing!
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#: 14866 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 21:41:03
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Sb: #14820-#more serial wierdness
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I got the board today 8-Apr-92. If you want proof to beat up the carrier I can
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provide it. I hope to be on the air in a day or so (have to go scrounge
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monitor and keyboard again - forgot about that) and with any luck at all I will
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be able to duplicate the problems. Usuall I can find it if I can see it ;).
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#: 14870 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 22:11:05
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Sb: #14866-more serial wierdness
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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Great news, Carl!
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I'll let my shipping department know of the delay and let them take it up with
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the carrier. The important thing is you've got the board!
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Steve
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#: 14867 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 21:43:06
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Sb: #14822-MM/1 help
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Ok. I understand. We may want to consider mailing me your boot file. I don't
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have any old stuff left around for the MM1.
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#: 14871 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Apr-92 22:12:18
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Sb: #14822-MM/1 help
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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No problem on that, Carl. Let me know when you're ready and I'll shoot it to
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ya.
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Steve
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#: 14878 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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09-Apr-92 04:14:36
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Sb: #Wish List
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: All
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Too All Developers or those that wanna be:
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I have uploaded a wish list of things I'd like to see developed for the new
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machines or the CoCo. Please give it a look and see if there is something in
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there you might be interested in doing.
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This list is my personal opinion only. Fee free to disagree with anything I
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said.
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Mark
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#: 14879 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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09-Apr-92 05:20:56
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Sb: #14878-#Wish List
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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I thought it was a pretty comprehensive list, myself! Looks like you put a lot
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of thinking into it.
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kev
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#: 14892 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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09-Apr-92 18:44:10
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Sb: #14879-Wish List
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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Tank you (grin).
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Mark
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#: 14880 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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09-Apr-92 06:04:20
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Sb: #14709-E.A.R.S.
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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great. if you can get me his number email it to me
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thanks!
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Mike
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#: 14881 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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09-Apr-92 06:06:31
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Sb: #14803-OS9 level 2/disk basic 2
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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yeah all you do is put in the second disk (boot/config/basic09) and it has the
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loader. if not type in the boot program on any os9 program.
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#: 14882 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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09-Apr-92 06:22:06
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Sb: #link count bug
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: all
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Hey check this out! I have left my system on for over 2 months and i did an
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mdir a few days ago and RBF and BBFHdisk showed FFFF for link count but
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today i did it again and look at this.
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Module Directory at 22:05:56
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Block Offset Size Typ Rev Attr Use Module Name
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----- ------ ---- --- --- ---- ---- ------------
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3F D06 12A C1 1 r... 0 REL
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3F E30 1D0 C1 1 r... 1 Boot
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3F 1000 ED9 C0 8 r... 2 OS9p1
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1 A00 CAE C0 2 r... 1 OS9p2
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1 16AE 9F3 C1 1 r... 1 IOMan
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1 20A1 2E C0 1 r... 1 Init
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1 20CF 1AE 11 1 .... 1 CC3Go
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1 227D 23E C1 1 r... 4 Clock
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1 24BB 12CB D1 1 r... Lock RBF
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1 3786 65D E1 2 r... Lock BBFhdisk
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1 3DE3 39 F1 1 r... Lock dd
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1 3E1C 39 F1 1 r... 432D h0
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1 3E55 39 F1 1 r... 41F6 h1
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1 3E8E B9A E1 1 r... B8 SDisk3
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1 4A28 33 F1 3 r... F D0
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See? RBF,BBFhdisk and DD show "lock" for a link count. What does
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this mean?
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Mike
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14887 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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09-Apr-92 07:49:30
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Sb: #14882-#link count bug
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)
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Mike - It's not a bug, just something you don't see very often :-)
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Actually, you probably did a "dirm" and it showed FFFF as the link count.
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The stock command "mdir e" more appropriately shows "Lock" for the same value.
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As you know, $FFFF is the highest possible value for a module link count (max
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value that can be held in two bytes). Any links afterwards won't increment the
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count (because you'd roll over to 0000, then 0001, etc). Therefore, unlinks
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can't be honored either (the link/unlinks might not match up).
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So the module can't be unlinked and is considered "locked" into memory. You
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could write a util that did that many links to any module if you wanted it to
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stay around for sure :-)
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best - kevin
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#: 14902 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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10-Apr-92 13:34:43
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Sb: #14887-link count bug
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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well one thing for sure is OS9 is stable! The longest record for running the
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machine without re-booting is 4 months. Im sitting about 2-3 months now and
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unlike that time I use the machine more. (that 4 months i was away at college
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the bbs was the only thing running)
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I assumed it would roll over and i was told that it would unlink from memory
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(roll over to 0 and drops out) but obvoisly this proves that wrong.
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Mike
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#: 14889 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 08:32:55
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Sb: #OLD OSK Manuals
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: all
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I have a stack of old OSK manuals for versions 2.0 and 2.1 that I am going to
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throw away unless someone has a need/use for them. Drop me a line in email
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SOON if you're interested.
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-J
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#: 14903 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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10-Apr-92 16:55:04
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Sb: #14889-OLD OSK Manuals
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
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Jay,
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I'd be happy to stop by the house and take them off your hands if you're just
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gonna toss 'em.
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Steve
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#: 14890 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Apr-92 16:18:11
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Sb: OS9MAX r/w OS9disk in PC
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: 71071,2003 (X)
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hello George.
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I have just posted 'OS9MAX'-demo in lib 12 of OSK. Unfortunate I couldn't find
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'lharc', so had to use 'pkarc'. As this is a demo-version, there is some
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limitation in what you can do, but if those commands work, it is very unlikely,
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that the full-featured program should not work.
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best regards
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ole b. hansen
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100016,3417
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#: 14894 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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09-Apr-92 21:52:17
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Sb: #Don't Give up
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: All
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Dear Friends: During the past few weeks I have noticed a lot of negative
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comments on the networks regarding certain members of our COCO community. I
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realize that some of these comments are made out of frustration. Folks have
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bought MM1's or one of the new systems and are waiting for he bugs to be worked
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out. Others are continuing to use the COCO3 and are worried about a lack of
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support. But I would like everyone to step back for a moment and look at the
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situation. Our machine has officially been out of production since Sept '89.
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The COCO's are gone. Tandy is no longer interested...Microware...? Mcuh of what
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we have seen come out since has been the work of "hobbyist" Sure some of the
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people are professional programmers, but many have gone way beyond just
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developing commercial products. If I had to pay for all the free advice I have
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gotten from Kevin Darling, James Jones, Lee Veal, Mike Haaland, Shawn Driscoll,
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Marty Goodman, and many others who I don't have space to name, it would far
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exceed my connect charges. If I might be so presumptious, I have come to
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consider these people my friends. It was very exciting for me to meet many of
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you last year at Rainbowfest. As you introduced yourselves to me, (I do have a
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way of standing out in a crowd, you know) I was like a little kid. I felt, my
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goodness I'm meeting the famous (you fill in your own name.)
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I feel our community is special. Oh sure, I have hounded Kevin about the level
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2 upgrade to the point that I am surprised when he answers my messages. I
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bemoan the lack of an OS-9 Version of Max-10, while making very slow progress
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on writing one. And I publically apologize to all of you. But you folks have
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been wonderful. Please, keep criticisms directed in valid ways, not personal
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attacks. I'm not trying to be the COCO Chaplain, (but I would accept the
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nomination...), but I hate to see people discouraged in their efforts , on all
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of our behalf, by comments said in anger or frustration.
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With all best wishes, to all of you, my dear friends, Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14899 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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10-Apr-92 05:23:48
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Sb: #14894-Don't Give up
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Very nicely said, Chaplain. As one of many "lurkers" on the MM comments, I
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have also been somewhat saddened by the occasional vitriol that appears. Folks,
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we have a mighty fine computer in the CoCo and some mighty fine potential in
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the MM and others; they're worth a bit of struggle to keep and enjoy. But even
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more important is the camaraderie and joy of accomplishment represented by the
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Kevins, Steves, and Martys (please excuse the shorthand for naming so many
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helpers) who so willingly and patiently explain (again and again) the mysteries
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of OS9 etc. The frustration is evident, but it would be nice to see comments
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focused on tangibles and not on personalities. It is a real pleasure to be
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associated with you all. With highest regards, Ches.
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#: 14942 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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11-Apr-92 20:34:40
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Sb: #14894-Don't Give up
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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Of course, you are 100% correct. The only problem is that everyone around here
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is only human, and such are subject to getting pretty frustrated at times. I
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just hope that when someone dumps on another member of our commnunity it is
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taken in the most charitable manner possible. Not only do we have to remember
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the human frailities we all have, but also the very real problem of this
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written communication medium which is so unforgiving (it's real hard to read
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between the lines like you can in a face to face conversation).
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Thanks for reminding us all.
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#: 14895 S4/MIDI and Music
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09-Apr-92 22:58:52
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Sb: #14798-#Umuse3 Help
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Fm: Larry J. Mohr 76120,1642
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To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
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According to the information on the Umuse addendum Second City Software is now
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Kala Software 3801 Brown Bark Drive Greensboro, NC 27408
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no phone number though. I got my copy from Coco-Pro. It is hard to believe how
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much has been added to the shareware version to become 4.7.5a. I tried out the
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part block copy yesterday and I can see it saving me HOURS of time. The
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crescendo/diminuendo give the music a much more REAL feel. I hope to upload
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some tunes when I get a few complete the way I want.
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Thanks for the help. Larry Mohr
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14897 S4/MIDI and Music
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10-Apr-92 05:13:48
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Sb: #14895-Umuse3 Help
|
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Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
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To: Larry J. Mohr 76120,1642
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|
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Thanks for info, Larry. Referring back to your last message and your interest
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in "a more elegant solution"; I think your approach is probably better than the
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one I was using with a patched Shell+. The problem with a non-standard
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approach is exemplified by my loss of the patch info and thus the loss of a
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useable method. What I'm doing now works with either MultiVue or without by
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using the following script under the title of MUSE in the CMDS directory:
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xmode /w7 type=1;tshell umuse3<>>>/w7& . tshell is the original tandy shell
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|
patched to have the name tshel but saved as tshell. Typing MUSE <enter> starts
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UMusE in a VDC window, but I still have to <CLEAR> to go to that window and use
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UMusE. Regards, Ches.
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#: 14896 S5/OS9 Users Group
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10-Apr-92 01:12:46
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Sb: OS9CN Membership
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Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
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To: Mark Sours
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Got your mail. Please include your phone number and machine types you use for
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OS-9.
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Tom
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#: 14904 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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10-Apr-92 18:30:53
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Sb: #Mouseman and the MM/1?
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: 76070,41 (X)
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Mark:
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Is this any way to get a mouseman (righthanded) from Logitech to work with the
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MM/1?
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|
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If a NEW driver needs to be written could you do it?
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I have model M-MC13
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14926 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 09:07:21
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Sb: #14904-#Mouseman and the MM/1?
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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Keith,
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|
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The Mouseman is a Microsoft compatible mouse, not a Logitech compatible mouse.
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Go figure that one out.
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It would take a new driver, but I can't do it. The MM/1 mouse drivers are not
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drivers per se but interrupt handlers as far as I know. I don't know how it
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could be interfaced unless Kevin wants to make a mouse driver for the Microsoft
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mouse.
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Mark
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14932 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 14:37:26
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Sb: #14926-#Mouseman and the MM/1?
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Kevin:
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So how about it, could you do it?
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See mess number 14904
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Keith
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14941 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 20:32:10
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Sb: #14932-Mouseman and the MM/1?
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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Keith,
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>So how about it, could you do it?
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No.
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Mark
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#: 14905 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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10-Apr-92 18:34:50
|
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Sb: STAR NX-1000 & the MM/1
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: ALL
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I got my STAR NX-1000 Rainbow printer to work with the MM/1
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you have to set LF to NOLF if you want to move it back and forth from a CoCo 3.
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You have to use SC68230.pols{le{~{oku! P.polled
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Keith
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#: 14906 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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10-Apr-92 19:17:28
|
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Sb: GUI
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: ALL
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|
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Dear Friends: I just uploaded GUIB.AR and GUIB11.PAK by Shawn Driscoll into
|
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LIBRARY 10, key word GUI. If you want to see some incredible things on our
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little COCO, get these files. I know that anything I write will be based on
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these from now on. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14912 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 01:10:10
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Sb: #scsi formatting
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
|
|
To: all
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|
|
I reformatted my scsi hard drive the other day (after a crash, but that's
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another story....). I found that doing a physical format really didn't do
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anything. Is there a way to do a real physical format on these? I would think
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that physical format should do all the neat stuff like allocating alternate
|
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tracks when bad sectors are found, etc.?
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#: 14928 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 09:38:52
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Sb: #14912-scsi formatting
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
|
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
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Bob,
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>Is there a way to do a real physical format on these?
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If you have a Quantum or a Conner, no. I take it from your message that you
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did select a physical format but it only took a couple seconds. This is what
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the drives above do. They are already formatted from the factory and use a
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special format to get the increased speeds. When you send a SCSI format
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command to the drive, it just does a check on itself and returns a success (or
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something like that).
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If you need to do a real format, you'll have to send the drive out to a depot
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repair site or return to the manufacturer. You can still mark out bad sectors
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by doing a physical verify and it will mark out in the bitmap those sectors
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that it can't read.
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Mark
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#: 14935 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 16:58:44
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Sb: #14912-scsi formatting
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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If you have a Quantum Drive, you can use the SCSI Mode Select command to set
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the "Fill Data Pattern Enable" bit in one of the Quantum Unique Drive Control
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Parameter pages. Then you can specify a data pattern in the SCSI Format Unit
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command.
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I have not actually done this myself, but this is what the "Product Manual" for
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my Quantum drive says. The Quantum drives seem to be so reliable that I just
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let the drive take care of itself. Well, most of the time anyway :)
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-J
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-J
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#: 14913 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 01:10:39
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Sb: #terminal info needed
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: all
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Can anyone help me to decide on which terminal to purchase for my MM/1?
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I think I just want a text term which runs at 19,200? But I'm not sure what
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else to look for. Looking in The Shopper I see Wyse 30/40/50 and 150s. Not too
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much else. Anyone know the difference between the 30/40/50 models?
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Anyone got a good used tube for sale?
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 14936 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 16:59:06
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Sb: #14913-terminal info needed
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I personally like the Televideo 965 terminal. We used to get 955s until they
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were priced more than the 965. The 965 is a better terminal anyway.
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I like the fact that they are one of the few terminals on the market that DO
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NOT come with a BRAIN DAMAGED PC style keyboard layout (but this is just my
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opinion).
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It has a lot (16 I think) of programmable function keys. It has a good number
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of specially labled editing type keys like "page", "home" "line insert/delete",
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"char insert/delete," etc. The cursor keys are laid out in a reasonable
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pattern.
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The CTRL key is only separated from the "A" key by a caps lock key. I would
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have preferred that it be RIGHT next to the "A" but this is as close as they
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come (I looked at a lot of terminal keyboards). At least it isn't off down by
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the space bar.
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We've had some trouble with reliability of 955 keyboards but so far the 965
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keyboards (which are newer) have not given us any trouble.
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The 965 can go at least 19.2 KB, if not 38.4. I know the 955 goes 38.4 but
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can't remember for sure if the 965 does. Since it is newer than the 955 I would
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expect it to.
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Just my .02.
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-J
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-J
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#: 14938 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 17:07:35
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Sb: #14913-terminal info needed
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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I'm running a Wyse 50 for the most part at home, with a Televideo clone I
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picked up for free on the porch. I also use Wyse 60's (I think) at the office.
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What I like about the Wyse is there is only 4 things to break: The keyboard,
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the tube, the power supply or mother board. Makes repairs a snap.
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Steve
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#: 14915 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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11-Apr-92 01:41:01
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Sb: #14838-Need GIME
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Thanks for the info. I called up Radio Shack today to see if they had any
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GIME's and they said they did but I would have to come in to order it and
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prepay the bill. Do they have that new GIME you think?
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#: 14918 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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11-Apr-92 01:46:16
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Sb: #14846-Need GIME
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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Thanks. I'll give you a call real soon if not sooner!
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#: 14920 S9/Utilities
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11-Apr-92 02:03:40
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Sb: LZH
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: all
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I've seen the LZH decompress utility and was wondering if there is a LZH
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compress utility for OS9? Has anyone made this program yet? It would be pretty
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handy for OS9. Especially for us OS9 Sysops with lots of dloads and a small
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HD...
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#: 14922 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 03:37:33
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Sb: os9max
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: 100016,3417 (X)
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Hi! I thought I'd let you know how OS9MAX went..First of all, I had trouble
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with the documentation. I can't read German although I'd like too. Interesting
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language... From what I could tell from the parameters thing, I was doing it
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correctly as far as I could tell but I couldn't read my 360k OS9 diskettes in
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my AT high density disk drive on my 386. any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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#: 14933 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Apr-92 14:40:21
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Sb: Mouseman and the MM/1!
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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Kevin;
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See message 14904.
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Keith
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Press <CR> !> |