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#: 13958 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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11-Jan-92 18:49:44
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Sb: #13950-TOP curses
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 (X)
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Hopefully someone will have time to have a look at TOPs ncurses and figure out
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the problem. I think it is more with the os9lib than with ncurses... but who
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knows!
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On the other hand, with the size of those routines it might be better and safer
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to stick to termcap....
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#: 13959 S1/General Interest
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11-Jan-92 21:43:28
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Sb: magnavox for sale
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: all
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I gave my wife my ST520 and she doesn't have room for the Magnavox, so is any
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prospective MM/1 purchaser interested in a Magnavox Pro 80 color monitor, also
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known as an 8CM515. It works fine and is hardly used. My wife's son used it
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to play games on the ST. I would like about $200 for it.
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Carl
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#: 13960 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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11-Jan-92 21:57:48
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Sb: #13864-OS-9 Community Network
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Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
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To: Robert R MacKay 100036,676 (X)
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Thanks for the information. My plans were to contact you in Australia by some
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means, and now it is a bit easier now that I have a CIS number I can contact.
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As I mentioned before, this group was formed among OS-9 users in Fidonet. I
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have heard of some users of this forum that aren't all that fond of Fidonet,
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but Fidonet does have alot going for it in that it is the largest amateur
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network in the world, and the cheapest network for us OS-9 users to access. I
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do know there are many Fidonet systems in Australia, so you might look around
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and see if you can find someone to carry the COCO, OS9, RIBBS, and COCO_CLUB
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echos that are available on the Zone 1 Backbone (if you don't know what that
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means, ask your local Fidonet sysop). What this means to you is that it is an
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inexpensive means to keep in touch with OS-9 users on the other side of the
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globe. There is also Fidonet software available for COCO OS-9 Level 2 users. If
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you have further questions, or need any help with the above, leave me a message
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here.
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#: 13961 S9/Utilities
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11-Jan-92 22:02:22
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Sb: DBG debugger
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Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714
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To: All
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Just uploaded my special version of DEBUG. You patch the standard level II
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DEBUG and run DBG to get disassembler, trace and single step. Have fun!
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Bob Santy
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#: 13962 S7/Telecommunications
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12-Jan-92 03:34:59
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Sb: #13686-SC2.1A YMODEM Probs
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Fm: OSSIAN WISECUP 70731,327
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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I believe the problem is the fact that there are many emulations of the
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same (supposed) protocol Y-modem on some terminal emulators refers to an older
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version of Xmodem known as Xmodem-1k newer Ymodem protocols have an additional
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item which acts as a header giving info such as name/size/date,
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it is a posability that your Ymodem may be one of three general header-type
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versions or the old 1k-xmodem.
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If you would like to try it you might try ---DOW filename.ext/PRO:X1K--the
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first time you try up/down-loading in a forum and see if your Ymodem is
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actually the old 1k-xmodem protocol....
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Hope that might help..
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O.W.
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#: 13963 S1/General Interest
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12-Jan-92 08:24:47
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Sb: #Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: John Semler 70324,633
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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I got my "fast mode" emulator running! Here is some CPU timing results
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when running the floating point intensive program "ALMANAC":
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Machine Time (seconds) Comments
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CoCo3 55 secs
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CoCo2 110 secs CoCo3 times * 2 (estimated)
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MacIIcx 132 secs Running the "Fast mode" emulator
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Programs are preloaded when performing the timing studies (just to be fair to
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the CoCo3!). The "fast" mode of emulation requires that the program does not
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generate and execute new code. As you can see, I almost break even with the
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CoCo2. If it were not for the half carry flag calculations, the emulator would
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probably match or beat the CoCo2.
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This "fast mode" emulator is a little bit different from what I have previously
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envisioned . Each IOC quad word is composed of a jump vector (4 bytes) for
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executing 6809 primitives and a variation word (4 bytes). Total IOC memory
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requirement is 65536*8 bytes (In addition to 65536 bytes of "real" memory).
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Instructions are incrementally compiled into IOC when first encountered. Under
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the "slow mode" IOC that becomes dirty will also be recompiled if executed.
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Size of the emulator:
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Total 68020 instructions: 150,980 bytes
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Total data space requirement: 593,324 bytes
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This emulator developement work was made much easier by the fact that I
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developed a user state OS9/6809 debugger that operates like the OS9/68K
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version. I set up this debugger on both systems so that I can verify the
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proper executions of millions of instructions! The last bug I smashed didn't
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occur until about 1.5 million instructions into the program "ALMANAC"! This
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debugger will have nearly everything that the OS9/68K version has including
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symbolic debugging.
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John
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 13980 S1/General Interest
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16-Jan-92 17:23:05
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Sb: #13963-#Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: John Semler 70324,633 (X)
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John - (sorry, been out of town)
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Congrats! Impressive! Must feel great to have it running!
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How far have you gotten? Support for most OS-9 calls? Is this under the Mac
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OS? Is it for 68020's only? You know, the usual details <grin>.
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cheers - kev
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#: 13989 S1/General Interest
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18-Jan-92 10:13:57
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Sb: #13980-#Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: John Semler 70324,633
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Am I happy to see it running? Yes! This program has been simmering over the
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stove on low heat for a little over a year - definitely long term project.
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Almost all of the 6809 opcodes have been implemented. The exceptions are
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"sync", "daa", "abx", "rti", "cwai", "swi", "swi2" (the real kind), and "swi3".
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Have not encountered them yet and I'm lazy.
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Almost none of the OS9 system calls have been implemented. Just enough to get
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"ALMANAC" running for the timing studies. Had to fake out the "I$GetStt" call,
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the one which returned a 32 byte path option packet. Otherwise, it seems
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relatively easy to map OS9/6809 I/O calls with OS9/680X0 calls.
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Currently the emulator is running under OS9/68K. I plan to port the assembly
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code over to Aztec C which, I believe, has a decent macro assembler that can
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build huge code. I believe a decent CoCo2 simulator that runs OS9 Level One is
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possible and may attempt the CoCo3 simulator if the effort proves to be
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successful.
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Unfortunately, this emulator is sprinkled profusely with 68020 machine language
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idioms. The most common 68020 idioms that I use are "bfextu" (bit field
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extract unsigned) and "bfins" (bit field insert). I use them to repair the
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emulated 6809 condition code bits when the 680X0 instructions doesn't simulate
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them correctly. But I am interested in making this emulator run under 68000
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systems.
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I was wrong about the half carry flag calculations taking up a significant
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fraction of the time. It looks like the emulator will never do significantly
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better than a CoCo2 when running under the MacIIcx. Also discovered that
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MAC-OS9 disables the instruction and data caches on bootup. I re-enabled the
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caches under the Mac environment and noted that the run times were reduced by
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7.5% (execution times within a stone throw of the CoCo2!).
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Maybe in 6 months I will have something to upload. I am a graduate student and
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Spring semester has arrived. Darn!
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John
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#: 13991 S1/General Interest
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18-Jan-92 15:57:06
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Sb: #13989-#Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714
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To: John Semler 70324,633 (X)
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John:
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Sounds like you've been busy! The execution times are impressive! Maybe a few
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comments will help you out some more.
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>Almost all of the 6809 opcodes have been implemented. The
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>exceptions are "sync", "daa", "abx", "rti", "cwai", "swi",
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>"swi2" (the real kind), and "swi3". Have not encountered them
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>yet.
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Looks like you can continue for a long time without "sync", "cwai", "swi" and
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"swi3". Although support of OS9 DEBUG would require "swi".
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"daa" and "abx" are definite MUSTS! Incidentally, "daa" is the only
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instruction that requires the half-carry to be correct.
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>Almost none of the OS9 system calls have been implemented.
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>Just enough to get "ALMANAC" running for the timing studies.
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>Had to fake out the "I$GetStt" call, the one which returned a
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>32 byte pat option packet. Otherwise, it seems relatively
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>easy to map OS9/6809 I/O calls with OS9/680X0 calls.
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>I believe a decent CoCo2 simulator that runs OS9 Level One
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>[programs] is possible.
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"swi2" emulatihn for most OS9 programs can be limited to the subset of: F$Link,
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F$Load, F$UnLink, F$Fork, F$Chain, F$Wait, F$Exit, F$Mem, F$Send, F$Icpt,
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F$Sleep, F$ID, F$SPrior, F$Perr, F$PrsNam, F$CmpNam, F$Time, F$CRC, F$SFser,
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F$UnLoad, F$NmLink, I$Dup, I$Create, I$Open, I$MakDir, I$ChgDir, I$Delete,
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I$Seek, I$Read, I$ReadLn, I$Write, I$WritLn, I$GetStt, I$SetStt, I$Close and
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I$DeletX.
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The GetStt subset can be limited to SS.Opt, SS.Ready, SS.Size, SS.Pos, SS.EOF,
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SS.DevNm, SS.FD, SS.ScSiz and SS.ScTyp.
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The SetStt subset can be limited to SS.Opt, SS.Size, SS.FD, SS.SSig and
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SS.Relea.
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>Unfortunately, this emulator is sprinkled profusely with 68020
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>machine language idioms. [bitfields]
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If you intend to eventually port to the 68000, wouldn't "bset", "bclr" and
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"btst" do?
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I suspect that just as (or more) common is the access of words at odd addresses
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which the 68020 will do at the expense of extra bus cycles but the 68000 will
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NOT do. Am I correct?
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Again, looks like you've gotten off to a great start!!
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Bob Santy
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#: 14000 S1/General Interest
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18-Jan-92 22:27:09
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Sb: #13991-#Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: John Semler 70324,633
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To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X)
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Bob,
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Thanks for the information on the OS9 specifics! I will file it away for later
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use.
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You're right about word addressing - my emulator uses them when accessing
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virtual 6809 memory. I can fix this word addressing problem by reading (or
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writing) consecutive bytes of data. Doing this also helps to solve logical
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problems with accessing words in a level two simulator where MMU memory blocks
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may not be consecutive.
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As for the "bfextu" and "bfins" I was planning simulate them with the help of
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"Bcc" (Branch on condition codes). Will keep the instructions you mentioned in
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mind.
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Reason I went 68020 was to max out my Mac and I haven't really given any
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serious consideration to a 68000 version until Kevin inquired about it. I'll
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wait for the software to settle down before converting it over to 68000 code -
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it is using some very complex addressing modes (scaled index for example).
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I can just imagine this emulator running tens of times slower after fixing it
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up for the 68000 systems! <grin>
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John
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#: 14004 S1/General Interest
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19-Jan-92 07:39:09
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Sb: #14000-Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714
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To: John Semler 70324,633 (X)
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John:
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Well, you could just leave it to the 68020 and forget about a 68000 mode. As
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for Level II, may I suggest that you also forget about that too. Your target
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audience will most certainly be those with applications to run only. An OS9
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application will be concerned with the system calls I have listed and those
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don't really fall into Level II function. System mode calls will not be in the
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list unless you actually emulate the operating system as a whole. I suspect
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that you'd grind down to a snail's pace even on the 68020 if you tried that.
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Bob
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#: 14007 S1/General Interest
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19-Jan-92 10:49:05
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Sb: #13991-Fast 6809 emulator!
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Fm: John Semler 70324,633
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To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X)
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Actually (I believe) a word access would incur, on average, 1.25 long word
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accesses. Memory on the MacIIcx is organized into 32 bit long words. Here's
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the formula:
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(0.75)*(1 memory access) + (0.25)*(2 memory access) = 1.25
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^ ^
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| words DO cross 32 bit boundaries
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+-- frequency of occurrence that words DO NOT cross 32 bit
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boundaries
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I plan to make use of this fact when aligning the beginning of my instruction
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sequences that simulates 6809 machine instructions.
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John
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#: 13964 S15/Hot Topics
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12-Jan-92 12:35:07
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Sb: #13300-#MM/1,SKEL, & Rodents
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Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
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To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)
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JDR Microdevices sells a mouse that has 3 buttons, is compatible with either
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Microsoft or Logitec and sells for $15"""
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 13974 S15/Hot Topics
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14-Jan-92 14:18:33
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Sb: #13964-#MM/1,SKEL, & Rodents
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X)
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Re JDR's mouse. Do you have a number/address for them?
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 14013 S15/Hot Topics
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19-Jan-92 18:31:12
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Sb: #13974-MM/1,SKEL, & Rodents
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Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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As you probably already know the DEXXA mice (meese?) are also switch
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interchangeable from Microsoft to Mouse (logitec) formats and they sell just
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bout everywhere in Vancouver for under $20.00 Price depends on whether or not
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the box contains a 9 pin to 25 pin converter. Not particularly high resolution
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but they do work. Bob
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#: 14042 S15/Hot Topics
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22-Jan-92 23:45:09
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Sb: #13974-MM/1,SKEL, & Rodents
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Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Yes, 1-800-538-5000
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Bert
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#: 13965 S9/Utilities
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12-Jan-92 13:32:54
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Sb: L-II DEBUG BUG?
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Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714
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To: All
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Does anyone know of possible memory problems with DEBUG? I was trying to debug
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c.prep with DEBUG and got lots of garbage color characters on my text mode
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windows. This is the level II DEBUG. Thanks for any info.
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Bob
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#: 13966 S1/General Interest
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12-Jan-92 15:13:47
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Sb: Hard Disks
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: MM/ 1ers
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I thought perhaps current and future MM1 owners might be interested in
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the results of the testing I've done during the course of the development
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of the disk drivers for the MM1.
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The following chart shows transfer speed in bytes per second for the
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drives I have tested on the MM1 with the dma driver. (The programmed I/O
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driver wouldn't get above 25,000 on *any* drive). The test method is to
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read some quantity of sectors repeatedly (not the same sectors, though)
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until enough time has elapsed to give reasonable granularity. My rule of
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thumb is that the test should last at least 100 time intervals (ticks or
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seconds). By varying the quantity read, you can get some idea about the
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overhead of the operating system and how the performance will vary with
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application (copy moves big blocks at a time, while payroll may not).
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The most obvious conclusion you can make is that speed is related to
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cost. If you know the mechanics of the drives, it is also related to
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cache size on the drive and raw data rate used internally on the drive.
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It is also related to the speed of the micro on the drive (the ST296
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doesn't seem to keep up at 1:1) and of course interleave.
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Gulp ST2502 CP340 1:1 CP340 2:1 CP340 4:1 PRO210S ST296 1:1 ST296 2:1
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1 110,376 29,537 28,532 26,546 27,235
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2 204,600 56,676 44,384 47,127 53,773
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4 332,222 99,864 82,241 76,260 97,541
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8 500,812 176,602 134,217 110,376 161,319
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16 906,876 279,620 195,083 137,518 239,679
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32 1,177,348 390,167 250,406 159,783 524,288 57,852 322,638
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64 1,636,801 479,349 294,337 172,960 838,860 381,300
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128 1,720,740 479,349 294,337 171,196 1,198,372 381,300
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256 1,766,022 516,222 310,689 176,602 399,457
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512 1,864,135 524,288 316,551 178,481 409,200
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Gulp How many sectors are read at once
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ST2502 Segate 443MB 16 ms 5.25"
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CP340 Conner 40MB ??ms 3.5", 2:1 means interleave of 2
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PRO210S Quantum 210MB 15 ms 3.5"
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ST296 Segate 85MB 281
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#: 13967 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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12-Jan-92 17:40:50
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Sb: #Lost space
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: All
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I have just recently have something odd happen on a floppy (360K). A lot of
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space disappeared (total of files+free space was about 230K) but DCHECK showed
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no errors at all. I copied off the files, reformatted the disk, and copied them
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back, then all was back to normal. FREE showed the usual 1440 sectors before
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the format. What seems likely?
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#: 14028 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 11:59:01
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Sb: #13967-#Lost space
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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Ian,
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Yeah, that's pretty strange! I've been trying for days to think of a good
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reason why you'd suddenly lose a lot of disk space... but can't :-)
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Especially if dcheck didn't complain at all. Weird. Hmm... unless perhaps LSN
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0... no, you said it showed free of 1440 sectors.
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Got me! Let us know if it happens again. Northern lights, maybe? UFOs? Crop
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circles nearby?
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kev
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#: 14045 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 00:20:51
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Sb: #14028-#Lost space
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Kev,
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Now I'm sorry that I reformatted the disk. Had I been more awake at the
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time (it _was_ 2AM) I might have dug around a bit with dEd and tried to find
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the problem. I'm wondering if, somehow, I ended up with an invisible file. I've
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seen that before, with backspaces at the end of the filename in the directory
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entry I think. But no, that wouldn't work with an ls -e command. My first
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thought was that the sector allocation map was corrupted, but dcheck should
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complain long and loud about that. Then I wondered about the free space
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reporting of ls (oh, that's lsh which I renamed), but dir and free all showed
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the same thing. BTW, free didn't show 1440 free sectors, just 1440 total on the
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disk (which is a 3.5" 720K). Oh well, I could speculate endlessly but the info
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is long gone so I can't play detective.
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And it's not likely to be Northern lights at this time of year. Crop
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circles? Naw, too much (*!"#$$!*) snow. Cold weather, perhaps; the last two
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weeks have been down to about -20 at night with a balmy zero in the afternoons.
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#: 14047 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 01:13:02
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Sb: #14045-Lost space
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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Ian - brrrr! Sounds too cold for me :-)
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A hidden file sounds like a possible... what if the name had gotten changed to
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say, spaces? If it was at the end of a dir, you might never notice it.
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cheers - kev
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#: 14048 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 08:35:45
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Sb: #14045-#Lost space
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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One think to muse upon Ian... I believe DCHECK doesn't correctly handle
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scenarios where where the root directory is more than 1 segment long.
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Pete
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#: 14049 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 09:14:15
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Sb: #14048-#Lost space
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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DCHECK not correctly working on a root directory that is more than 1 segment
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long...
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Does that just apply when using floppies? DCHECK seems to work on my hard
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drives, but then I did say it "seems" to work...
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Lee
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#: 14051 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 11:47:27
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Sb: #14049-Lost space
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee -
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I believe it's ANY disk with a root dir with more than one segment.
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Pete
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#: 13968 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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12-Jan-92 18:11:32
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Sb: #13954-DECOMPRESS .LZH FOR COCO
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476 (X)
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I am looking for a program that would work on the older formats. --Br. Jeremy,
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CSJW
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#: 13969 S1/General Interest
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12-Jan-92 23:15:44
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Sb: #13824-#Just Wondering...
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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A shortwave listener callsign? Pretty interesting. There are some countries
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where you need a license to listen to the radio?
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#: 13970 S1/General Interest
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13-Jan-92 00:18:34
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Sb: #13969-Just Wondering...
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Yes, there are countries which do. Australia used to require licenses to use,
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own, or maintain radio or TV receiving equipment until the '60's. England still
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does. And there are other countries. Full details appear(ed) in the WORLD
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RADIO TV HANDBOOK at the top of each country's listing. I haven't bought a
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WRTH in several years so I couldn't say whether they still do. In England, the
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license fees are used to support the BBC. My mother told me about when she and
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my father were stationed in then-West Germany and a truck would go around
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"sniffing out" radio receivers in use (yes, it is possible) and the authorities
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would go ask to see peoples' licenses. Fortunately we don't have to get a
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license to just listen to the radio. As for call signs, listeners get them as
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a way to show serious interest in radio communications even if that interest
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doesn't include the ability to talk in a conversation as in amateur radio. But
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some people like to berate such call signs as being a way to spend a couple of
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bucks and a stamp you couldn't find any other use for. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA)
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#: 13971 S1/General Interest
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13-Jan-92 00:25:04
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Sb: #13955-COCO3/386SX Swap
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: DAVID NELMS 72527,640 (X)
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If your PC is a PC/XT/286, upgrading to 386 is not quite as simple as upgrading
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a 386 to a 486. You will need a board designed to upgrade a 286 if you have a
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286, and a PC/XT is not worth the attempt. PC SOURCES did an article on
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upgrading to a 386sx recently (Jan 92 issue I think it is), and I'd suggest you
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give it a look if you haven't already. If you're still interested in the
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upgrade, one you might want to consider getting is the board sold by JDR
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Microdevices. Check a COMPUTER SHOPPER if you don't have their catalog.
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#: 13972 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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14-Jan-92 01:01:49
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Sb: ##13968-DECOMP .LZH
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Fm: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476
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To: 76477,142 (X)
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I am working on a forked decompression for the -lh1- format. There is just so
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much that you can do in 64k. It may take a while (weeks) before I can get
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it done.
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#: 13979 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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15-Jan-92 21:35:46
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Sb: #13972-#13968-DECOMP .LZH
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476 (X)
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Dear Norman: I have a large number of C files arced under the LHZ-1 format. I
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hope that your project works out, so that I can get these dearced and uploaded
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to share with the community. If not I will use an MS-DOS machine
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and then use the PCDOS utility to copy them over. Thank you for your efforts,
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Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 13973 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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14-Jan-92 12:57:17
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Sb: #13953-Ultra-Science Windows
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: TONY ELLIOTT 71645,1367 (X)
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Tony - do you mean the "Screens" program, for terminals, ported from Unix?
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If so, those that use it tell me they like it.
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Or do you mean "G-Windows", which requires a graphics card?
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#: 13975 S7/Telecommunications
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15-Jan-92 17:53:18
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Sb: #telecom:
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Fm: ALBERT 72570,2302
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To: SYSOP (X)
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HI!:
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I am in need of some info..onthe deskmate system,the telecom section.When I
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try to download the program says reciveing file but nothing is happing it takes
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the file name and thats it.If there is any lib..with some info let me know
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please. ALBERT..
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#: 13976 S7/Telecommunications
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15-Jan-92 18:28:00
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Sb: #13975-#telecom:
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: ALBERT 72570,2302 (X)
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Albert -
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Have a gander at the file DM3.TXT in DL10.
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Pete
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#: 13982 S7/Telecommunications
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16-Jan-92 20:59:30
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Sb: #13976-telecom:
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Fm: ALBERT 72570,2302
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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PETE:
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Thanks I will take a look I hope its in text,I wont be able to download it
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otherwise.albert
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#: 13977 S1/General Interest
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15-Jan-92 19:58:02
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Sb: #I'm Back!
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: All
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Hi all!
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Well, here I am in St. Louis now. All moved in to my temp location for the
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next six months. Got local access to a CIS node so now I can spend more time
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here. Looking forward to talking at you all again.
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Mark
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#: 13978 S1/General Interest
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15-Jan-92 20:31:20
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Sb: #13977-I'm Back!
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Great! Well, looking at the Weather Channel map may keep you from thinking
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it's all that great. :-) Glad you're in place and back online.
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#: 13981 S1/General Interest
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16-Jan-92 19:57:56
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Sb: #Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: ALL
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I replaced all 16 DRAMs in my CoCo3 and powered up. Everything seemed to be
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OK. The memory tester that came with my first 512K locked up. The memory
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tester listed in the service manual reported ERROR! ADDR=65535. I powered
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down and checked the chips, then reseated a loose one. I powered up again.
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Nothing. Not even a green screen. With all it'll cost to as much as restore
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what I had (replacing the CoCo3, the 512K (3rd time), and the Slot Pak III) I
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decided that it's not cost effective to do so. I found a CoCo2 which I will
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run alongside a 386 I will eventually get. What does this mean? Expect some
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Level 1 questions getting posted before long. I won't be going into the CoCo
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and OS-9 Forums as often. And unless I can coax the CoCo2 into running the
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hard drive, I will not be able to reupload the file that I uploaded but saw
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deleted because of its archive format. If anyone's interested in a dead CoCo3
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for parts (I'm 99.8% sure the GIME, ROM, and 6809 are OK) and in CoCo3-only
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software just let me know what you want (allow time to convert files etc.). My
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now 16K CoCo1 has proven perfectly reliable, my CoCo3 just the opposite. It's a
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disappointment it came to this but at least I'll still have one foot in the
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CoCo world even if it's without Super ECB and Level 2.
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#: 13985 S1/General Interest
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17-Jan-92 10:55:57
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Sb: #13981-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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If you're mostly getting out of the CoCo3 software world, how 'bout posting
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some of the software with asking prices. Maybe even any hardware that you'd be
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willing to part with for a reasonable price.
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Lee
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#: 13997 S1/General Interest
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18-Jan-92 22:15:02
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Sb: #13985-Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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I'll be doing that later. I have megabytes to convert to PC and to downsize
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for the CoCo2, and all this without the help of a CoCo3. In fact, all I've got
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to work with *right now* are a CoCo1 with 16K and not Extended BASIC and a
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Macintosh, with the latter not being mine. I don't have the CoCo2 yet but
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should in another day or two. My last "census" indicated I had 23Mb on a total
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of about 700 floppies. Even with the CoCo2 it'll be slow going. There won't
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be much in hardware I can offer but I do have a good quantity of software I
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will be able to unload. I've downloaded megabytes so I may throw in some of
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that too, saving a lot of connect time. Like my 400K of Home Publisher fonts
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and clipart. None of this should be construed as a committment, however.
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#: 13986 S1/General Interest
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17-Jan-92 16:13:41
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Sb: #13981-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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Hmm. Make sure the memory board isn't seated too deeply... if it touches the
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bottom of the sockets, CoCo-3's don't like it.
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best - kev
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#: 13999 S1/General Interest
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18-Jan-92 22:26:07
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Sb: #13986-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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The first time I upgraded to 512K, the upgrade took *days* to complete, not the
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five minutes the ad said it would be. The second time I upgraded the same
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CoCo3 (retrograded?) to 512K, it took hours. Believe me, I have experienced
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every possible and every conceivable problem in installing the 512K plus 2 or 3
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more. A suggestion from Dave Myers of CoCoPRO! helped some, viz. putting
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electrical tape on the RF box to preclude the board from grounding out. So
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I've been through it all, checked it all, been through it all again, and so on
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ad infinitum/nauseum. Chris Hawks of Hawksoft diagnosed one of my problem
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areas as being the CoCo3's power supply being insufficient for the job and
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causing my problems which does seem entirely possible. So with $90 for a 128K
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CoCo3 plus $90 for a replacement Slot Pak 3 plus $70 for a new 512K board plus
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$20 for the replacement chips already wasted plus a new power supply plus
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shipping/handling charges all topped with hours of work and I end up with
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nothing I didn't have before except more watts from the power supply
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It's not worth it to me anymore. BTW, when I had 512K probs before, I at least
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got a green screen without sign-on msg. Now, nothing at all.
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#: 14002 S1/General Interest
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19-Jan-92 00:05:01
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Sb: #13999-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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Erich - yes, it sounds like you've had a frustrating experience. It's at times
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like this that I wish we were all physically together, instead of diagnosing
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online.
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Good luck, whatever! You've always got a home here.
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kev
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#: 14018 S1/General Interest
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20-Jan-92 01:24:14
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Sb: #14002-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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I know I will still have the CoCo around when I need it. There will be no dust
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to wipe off at each power up either. It'll just be on a smaller scale. After
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all, there's no way a CoCo2 could hope to do what I've done on my 3 when it was
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alive. To ease my transition into being in both worlds I've written (but not
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debugged) some DOS macros and batch files so DOS will accept some commands I'm
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used to. Like DOSKEY LIST=TYPE $1 and DOSKEY COBBLER=FORMAT $1 $2 /S (I had to
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allow a second parameter for 4 or /f:720.). Most of them are so simple so as
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to not need any further work but some will have to be tested. I had to stretch
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a little to come up with equivalents to MDir and Procs. I'll upload everything
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here when I'm happy with the results. As for the CoCo2, I've now learned how
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to use the Level 1 Debug to fix up /d0 and /d1 to match my drives' capacities.
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I'm too used to EZGen which I can't use anymore. And if we were all together I
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probably would not have thrown in the towel like this.
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#: 14046 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 00:21:31
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Sb: #14018-#Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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Erich,
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I have followed your messages about the poor CoCo 3 for the past few weeks
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and I wonder if you are not giving up too easily. When I saw that you were
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planning to try to persuade MSDOS to look a bit like OS9 I figured I had to say
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something before it was too late!
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I make a good part of my living troubleshooting data communications
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equipment (on the phone, not the bench, mostly) and I must say that the easiest
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problems to fix are the "It used to work OK" type, rather than the "It never
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worked" ones. I don't recall all the things you mentioned but if it were my
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CoCo 3 I would check first the power supply voltages (which will probably be
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OK), then look at the chips. This can be done systematically if you have the
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service manual and an oscilloscope. Indeed, the service manual has an entire
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section on step by step troubleshooting which should let you identify the bad
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chip (by far the most likely problem) in short order. If you don't have the
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service manual you may still be able to get one from Tandy (part no. 26-3334).
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If there was no inconvenient border in between us (I presume you are in the
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U.S.) I would say to send me the thing and I would take a look at it.
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But for heaven's sake don't give up on it. At the worst you should be able
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to get another one; they show up here from time to time and there must be
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thousands of them gathering dust in various places. And no matter how much you
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want to pretend, you will never make MSDOS work like OS9.
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#: 14059 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 23:33:29
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Sb: #14046-Death of a CoCo3 II
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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I do have a service manual for the CoCo3 and I do have an analog vom (20000
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ohms per volt). I do have an oscilloscope too but it's an all-tube scope (EICO
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460) from 1961 and I never managed to get it back to original specs. About 85%
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there. I think I need to replace one of the tubes and I can't find most of its
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tubes. On my CoCo3, it seems fixing one problem ends up making that problem
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worse and then a new one comes my way. And it seems unlikely to me that
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getting another CoCo3 would not just give me more of the same. At least with a
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pc I won't have to search far and wide and endure weeks of down time when a
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part goes bad. Installing the 512K was torturous the first time and every
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subsequent time. Do I want to go through that time and again all over? It
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took several toll calls to a technician before I could get my hard drive
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working and then it was slow. The scsi47 drivers only wiped out the whole disk
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and left it incorrectly formatted. If I stay with my CoCo3 I now know I will
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never realize half the hard drive performance I paid dearly for. And then the
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Slot Pak III. Marty Goodman informed me that thing has a tendency to self
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destruct. Do I want to drop $180 a year on Slot Pak III's? And of course DOS
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will never be exactly like OS-9, but who said it was even intended to be. My
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CoCo1 has proved very dependable. But I dropped hundreds of dollars and tens
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of hours of work on the CoCo3 and then it dies after I had it a mere 51 weeks.
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#: 13984 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Jan-92 10:50:18
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Sb: #Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: All
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I'm looking for someone that's willing to part with the set of extra drivers
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that were written for Home Publisher. I'm specifically looking for the Home
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Publisher printer driver for Tandy's DMP-120. This set of was not included
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with the base Home Publisher product. It was an extra cost item from Tandy, so
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I'm not asking anyone to break something out of the base Home Publisher
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package.
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I'm willing to part with some green, if anyone reading this message is
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willing to part with the set of printer drivers that includes the DMP-120
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driver.
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As an alternative is there anyone that knows how to patch one of the existing
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drivers so that, say, the DMP-130 driver could be made to support the DMP-120's
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escape sequences?
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Lee
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#: 13988 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Jan-92 00:06:50
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Sb: #13984-#Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Dear Lee: I had called Tandy, along time ago, and requested the driver for the
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DMP-130, which I have in front of me. It was free. Rainbow, in I
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believe the fall of 1988 had a letter which spoke about the free upgrade. I
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called a number in Ft. Worth which was a Tandy Corp COCO support number and
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spoke to someone named DAVID. (Rainbow 1/89 pg 6 1-800-338-2395) Also Tandy
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Software Assembly. A Tandy dealer could the
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package #90-0911 if they are willing to work at it. You would get a backup
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disk . Did you try Express Order? 800-321-3133? I got the Deveopers Package
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that way, original docs, backup disks for $17.00 that way. Let me know, I might
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be able to get the manager who helped me
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to hbelp you out. --Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 13994 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Jan-92 20:22:01
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Sb: #13988-#Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Thanx, Bro., I'll give this avenues a try. Seems like I have before, but it
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could be as simple as the luck of the draw as far as who you get at the other
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end of those lines and whether they're willing to help.
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I need to make sure that we're (you and I) are on the same wavelength. I'm
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looking for DMP-120 printer drivers for Home Publisher. My version HP came
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with a DMP-130 driver. In fact, I have the following drivers for HP:
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prn.DMP105n prn.DMP130n
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prn.DMP2100w prn.DMP2200w
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prn.DMP430n prn.DMP430w
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prn.DMPibmIn prn.DMPibmn
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prn.EpsonRX
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As you can see no -120. The DMP-120 seems to be a bit of an outcast among
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Tandy printers.
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Thanx,
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Lee
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#: 13995 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Jan-92 21:00:01
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Sb: #13994-#Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee,
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The disk I have only contained the DMP130 Driver. I got this in Jan of 1989
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after calling Radio Shack/Tandy in Ft. WOrth. I will ask my friend at the Radio
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Shack here in Racine, WIS to try and get the DMP-120 driver if you want.
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---Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14021 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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20-Jan-92 10:13:27
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Sb: #13995-Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Let me try down here first. Thanks, Bro.
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Lee
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#: 14027 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 11:50:30
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Sb: #13995-#Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Bro.,
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It looks like you may have to try your friend at the Radio Shack in Racine.
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Having no luck down here. (No "good luck", that is.)
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Thanks,
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Lee
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#: 14036 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 22:25:08
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Sb: #14027-Home Publisher Prt Drvrs
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee, I will talk to him in the next few days. --Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 13992 S15/Hot Topics
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18-Jan-92 17:23:40
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Sb: #My I/O Board came
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: All
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Hi everyone:
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I got my i/o board about a week ago, and got my 60 Meg Hard Drive up and
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running. Love the 3 Meg.
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Keith
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#: 13993 S15/Hot Topics
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18-Jan-92 19:42:30
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Sb: #13992-My I/O Board came
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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It *does* make a big difference, doesn't it? Glad to hear that you're happy
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with it.
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#: 14034 S15/Hot Topics
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22-Jan-92 21:43:25
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Sb: #13992-#My I/O Board came
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Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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u!Say, what's yer serial #? Maybe mine isn't too far behind!
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Thanks,
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--Colin
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(I have this brand new Epson 24 pin printer here doing nothing but collecting
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dust, so I'm kind of anxious!)
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#: 14063 S15/Hot Topics
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24-Jan-92 18:22:27
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Sb: #14034-#My I/O Board came
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)
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Colin:
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My S/N is 120812
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Keith
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#: 14070 S15/Hot Topics
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25-Jan-92 07:20:54
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Sb: #14063-My I/O Board came
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Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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Sigh. Looks like a couple more weeks.
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Thanks!
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--Colin
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#: 14001 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Jan-92 23:10:24
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Sb: #UNLZH-handles old & new
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Fm: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Br. Jeremy. I have just submitted a new release of UNLZH that handles the old
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format (-lh1-). This release fixes a bug for invalid file names in the archive
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and processes the ! file found in self-extracting files. You CANNOT <p>rint a
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-lh1- file; you will need to extract and use some other utility to view.
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Hopefully the sysop will check out soon.
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#: 14015 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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19-Jan-92 22:24:37
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Sb: #14001-UNLZH-handles old & new
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476 (X)
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Dear Norman: I look foreward to using it. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy,
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CSJW.
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#: 14003 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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19-Jan-92 06:33:38
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Sb: #OS9 Community Network
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Fm: Robert R MacKay 100036,676
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To: 76370,2100 (X)
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John,
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I now have access to a Fidonet BBS here in Australia. Currently we do
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not have access to zone 1 OS9 echo, but sysop is in the process of making
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necessary arrangements. My BBS name and address are as follows:The Galaxy
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Gateway Computer System, 3:640/316. Any information, membership forms that I
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need to complete would be apreciated. My home address is :Rob MacKay, 7 Harburg
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Drive, Beenleigh, Queensland, Australia 4207. Will keep in touch, regards, Rob.
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#: 14020 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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20-Jan-92 02:46:28
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Sb: #14003-OS9 Community Network
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Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
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To: Robert R MacKay 100036,676 (X)
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This is great to hear. I'm sure the OS-9 users of Fidonet Zone 1 (North Amewill
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be excited to hear this ! As for getting the info to you, I can either send it
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to you by postal mail (which would take a little longer), or by Fido mail if
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your sysop would allow (this would be quicker, but would cost a bit more).
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Netmail messages can be routed at almost no cost, but files I have to send
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direct. But since it is automatic, the cost is as minimal as it can get. Either
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way, I'll be in touch with you soon. Hopefully your sysop can make the
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arrangements to get the OS9 (and COCO, RIBBS, and COCO_CLUB) echos real soon,
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where you can keep up with the rest of us. I almost forgot, another alternative
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is to download OS9NET.ARC here, which contains all you need to know to get
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started, and perhaps advise us on how to grow to better serve those in other
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Fidonet zones.
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#: 14005 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jan-92 09:33:08
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Sb: Ultra-Science Windows
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Fm: TONY ELLIOTT 71645,1367
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres 76703,4227 (X)
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Yes, I believe I mean 'Screens'. We are using terminals (mostly non-graphics).
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So, I've ordered it and I let you know how I like it. While I have you... I am
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looking for a C Library for an older version of Sculptor. Apparently, when I
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wasn't looking, the organization which owned Sculptor rights in the US
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underwent some sort of change. I'm not sure where to go, now, to find what I
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need. I believe the last version we upgraded to was 1.6:8, but I'll have to
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check that. We are upgrading some of our in house CAD stuff and it would help
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to find a compatable library rather than to have to write it all.
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I appreciate any guidance that might be out there in this regard.
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I'm also in the market for a used 68020 board such as Hazelwoods board or would
|
|
also consider Frank's uniquad. Has anyone outgrown such and want to let one
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go?
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#: 14008 S1/General Interest
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19-Jan-92 11:00:12
|
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Sb: #Floppy Disk Drivers
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: all
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The company I work for is in the midst of designing some new 6809 hardware. The
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new board will have a 3 Mhz 6809 (6309? The one by Hitachi), a megabyte of
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(paged) RAM, a DMA chip, a floppy disk controller chip of some type (probably
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an Intel family part) and a 1.44 MB 3.5 inch floppy disk drive. We are going to
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use the MESS-DOS disk format so our customers (who probably already have a PC)
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can configure our unit off-line, duplicate disks, etc. I get to write the
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floppy disk code which leads me to my questions:
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Would a driver written in C be fast enough? Is anyone aware of any C source
|
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(licensable or PD) for dealing with the MS-DOS disk format?
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|
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If assembler is the way to go, are there any example '09 (or C) floppy drivers
|
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available here or elsewhere that someone could point me towards?
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|
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Any sources of information, references, hints, etc., would be greatly
|
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appreciated.
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Thanks in advance,
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-J
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#: 14011 S1/General Interest
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19-Jan-92 13:38:00
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Sb: #14008-#Floppy Disk Drivers
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
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Gee...how much do you expect this board to cost?
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#: 14025 S1/General Interest
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21-Jan-92 20:26:48
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Sb: #14011-Floppy Disk Drivers
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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I suspect that it will cost less than $100 for the parts. I'll ask what the
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latest expected cost will be in our hardware meeting tomorrow.
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-J
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#: 14056 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 22:45:47
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Sb: #14011-Floppy Disk Drivers
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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|
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Well, OK, perhaps a bit more than $100 for the card I was talking about.
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Another card in the same unit with about the same features but no floppy
|
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controller, 2 meg RAM instead of 1 and 2 serial ports with DMA is estimated to
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cost approximatly $90.00 for parts in quantities of a thousand.
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-J
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#: 14009 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jan-92 11:31:42
|
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Sb: #MB & syscall
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Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
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To: ALL
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Could someone please tell me the format of the register structure used with
|
|
syscall in OSK 2.4?
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|
|
I figured out the d0-d7,a0-a4 part, but how are other registers (like the ccr)
|
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passed?
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William
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#: 14010 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jan-92 12:48:12
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Sb: #14009-#MB & syscall
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
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|
As you've found out, it's only...
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TYPE stack = d0,d1,d2,d3,d4,d5,d6,d7,a0,a1,a2,a3,a4:INTEGER
|
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DIM reg:stack
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|
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No need for ccr, as the carry bit error flag will be picked up by Basic
|
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itself on return from syscall, and pick out any error code from d1.
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kev
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#: 14014 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jan-92 21:36:37
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Sb: #14010-#MB & syscall
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Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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|
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Thanks for the information, but does that mean I have to use ON ERROR GOTO to
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do my own error trapping? I'd like to keep GOTO's to a minimum.
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William
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#: 14022 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Jan-92 11:38:00
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Sb: #14014-MB & syscall
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
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|
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Yes, you have to use ON ERROR statements, which sometimes I like, sometimes I
|
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don't :-) On the other hand, we don't have to check for errors, which is very
|
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nice.
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I believe one Syscall's version used to be in Lib 12 here... it could be
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modified to return the error separately.
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#: 14012 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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19-Jan-92 16:31:43
|
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Sb: Need Help with CYRUS
|
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Fm: T. David Nichols 76120,747
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To: ALL
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I have been trying to get CYRUS running on my COCO3, using the instructions in
|
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CYRUS.TXT in Library 10, but it hasn't worked yet. When I run the BASIC program
|
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that is supposed to start CYRUS executing, all I get at the end is the
|
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identification message for Disk Extended Color Basic 1.1 . Does anyone know
|
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what is wrong? I think I have followed the directions exactly. Do you have to
|
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make the cassette copy on a COCO2 instead of a COCO3?
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Any help will be appreciated!
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#: 14016 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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19-Jan-92 22:31:56
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Sb: #DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
|
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: All
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Dear Friends: I am working on the fonts which will hopefully become part of
|
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MVWORD, my MAX-10
|
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for OS9 DTP. I am using DED to scan the files. I need to be able to to save
|
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and later print these listings. DED does not allow you to do this. Dump (from
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the Developers Pack) won't handle the size files that I am working with. Does
|
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anyone know if DED could be patch to print to disk or to a printer for that
|
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matter while at the same
|
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time printing to screen? At the moment I am working with a large PD set of
|
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fonts that originally were for First Publisher. I also have a large collection
|
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of VGA screen fonts, and Bit-Mapped Graphics fonts. I am not certain if the
|
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screen fonts could be made to work on the COCO but as soon as I can get the
|
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time to play with them, I will let you know the results. Finally if there is
|
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another disk editor which will give a ded style dump, please let me know.
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|
|
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With all best wishes,
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Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14019 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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20-Jan-92 01:32:32
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Sb: #14016-DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
|
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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|
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If what you want to do is take those fonts to your CoCo, printing a Dump will
|
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only leave you in a quagmire of hex numbers. About the only way you can do
|
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this and keep your sanity is to print the character set from the application
|
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the fonts were intended for and use a CoCo-based font editor to recreate each
|
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character as best you can. Keep an ASCII table handy!!!! No matter what it
|
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will be long hard work that may not really be worth doing. I tried very hard to
|
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bring the Macintosh's Ashley font to OS-9 a few months ago and gave up in utter
|
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frustration. I wish I had better news but I thought I'd better tell it like it
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is. I hope someone else comes up with a better answer or at least that I save
|
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you some agony. (I think I'm a glutton for punishment. I now want to take
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Ashley to the PC without Windows. Some VGA cards will co-operate.)
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#: 14030 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 13:45:35
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Sb: #14016-#DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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I must be missing something here.
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Bro, why can't you use the Open file function of DED then use the Append
|
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function to write the sections of the font file that you want to the Opened
|
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disk file. I've used it to break apart merged shell, boot, and other packed
|
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files.
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Lee
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#: 14037 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 22:29:42
|
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Sb: #14030-#DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
|
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
|
|
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
|
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|
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Lee, What I would like to do is be able to dump the screen to printer. I have
|
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been using DED on MAX-10 files that I ported over with the
|
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RSDOS utility. They load with an origin of $4000. All the references in the
|
|
MAX-10 docs refer to specific addresses. When I used the RS
|
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Dump command, I do not get the same memory addresses, that is why I would like
|
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to dump DED to the printer. Would a print screen utility wo ( make that work)?
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--Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14044 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Jan-92 00:00:12
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Sb: #14037-DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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If you still want to print this dump and assuming dEd is running on a text
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screen, a utility to dump a text screen should work fine. But with the file
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being as big as it is, it will take a long time for you to bring up each 256
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byte sceen and print it. I think the best thing for you to do is to find a
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program that will create a dump from StdIn. I saw one on Delphi somewhere but
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I don't recall what it is. Check Applications, the Users Group, and maybe the
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Programmer's Den topics. Or you can create your own with Basic09. Open the
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file in the same way you would a random access file and read it one byte at a
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time. Then convert that byte to its hex equivalent then send it to StdOut.
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Redirect that to a file you can list to the printer in the background.
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#: 14031 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 17:23:05
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Sb: #14016-#DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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P.S. (addendum to my previous message...)
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Bro, I've used DED and the utility called TRIM to break up OS-9 font files. If
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the font files that you're using have discernible beginnings and endings, then
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it seems like you should be able to break up the sections that you want.
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Lee
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#: 14038 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Jan-92 22:30:37
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Sb: #14031-DeD/Fonts/Help a Monk
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee, will try TRIM, Br. J-
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#: 14017 S15/Hot Topics
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19-Jan-92 23:32:40
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Sb: #unknown mm/1 progs
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: all
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In attempting to make sense of the programs on my hard drive, I'm trying to
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figure out what a number of them do! I have a number of graphics display
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programs for which there are no docs or builtin help. Before I delete them, can
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anyone tell me what they should do?
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fshow - I think it has something to do with .fli files
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iffs - related to .iff files?
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pflicker - again, to do with .fli files
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anim - used by the mouse demo, but I have no idea of the file
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format, etc.
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Also, in my FLICKS directory I have a ademo file which appears to show the
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various flicks and play some sound with them. Can't get it to work...
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#: 14024 S15/Hot Topics
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20-Jan-92 20:39:47
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Sb: #14017-unknown mm/1 progs
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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"In attempting to make sense of the programs on my hard drive, I'm trying to
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figure out what a number of them do!"
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Yah, there's a lot of demo command thingies floating around out there... some
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leftover from Rainbowfests and such.
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"iffs - related to .iff files?"
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I think that's a IFF slide show program. Give it the name of a file which has
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a list of pictures.
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"anim - used by the mouse demo, but I have no idea of the file format"
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Plays the really simple and bloated compression format I used when I converted
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Amiga animations to the MM/1 and TC70 long ago. Not much use otherwise.
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"fshow - I think it has something to do with .fli files"
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I think you're right. Chd to your flicks dir, and try "fshow ademo >>/nil".
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But first make sure the flis and sounds listed in "ademo" exist. And don't try
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to stop the sucker <grin>... it uses all sorts of named pipes etc. Hmm. You
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can stop it... but it takes a lot of "kill" commands to do it :-)
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"pflicker - again, to do with .fli files"
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Used by fshow. Pflicker is the same as flicker (for showing flis), but
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understands a limited set of commands ("play","wait","quit") from stdin and
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sends "okay" to stderr when it's read in the file and is ready to play. I'm
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coming up with a standard set of commands for programs like this.
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With named pipes, this allows astonishingly easy setup of demos and even
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multimedia (overused word! but true here) applications. For instance, using a
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fairly simple basic program and named pipes to communicate with commands to
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playback sounds and minature flis, I've come up with a simple but neat looking
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alphabet video kid's book. It could almost be done from a scriptfile.
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#: 14026 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 06:24:27
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Sb: #Vender's area
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: SYSOP (X)
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Wayne, why limit the vendor's section to commercial providers only, as their
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"rountable", when you can take the example of the vender's section of Hamnet
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and Commodore (go CBM) and make it accessable by the customer (us) as a
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customer support area??
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It would be far nicer to directly contact the porvider on the SIG when we need
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contact than limit it to a locked commercial room.....
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It would also show us the true interests of the provider as how well each of
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them handled themselves and the problems!!!
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"Just a thought"...
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Best, D.
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#: 14032 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 20:58:00
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Sb: #14026-#Vender's area
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X)
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Dick,
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Just a couple of observations ...
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When we opened the Vendor section, it was to give folks like IMS, Frank Hogg
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Labs, Delmar, etc a place to discuss their issues with each other.
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A member of the forum can alway leave a message to any vendor that actively
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participates in the forum. They need only their User ID.
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Steve
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#: 14033 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 21:39:20
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Sb: #14032-Vender's area
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Sorry, I must have misread VENDER.TXT, because it llooked like this was to be a
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commercial vender's area only, complete with criteria for admissions...
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I've seen vender's areas on someof the SIGs that were used as customer service
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areas and this was what I was suggesting.
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Thanks for the reply.
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Incidently, I have a private note for you over in Email that I composed, then
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held onto cause I was afread the wrong people might see.
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Appreciate all your help over the years Steve... a handshake and salout to
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you.. D.
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#: 14039 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 22:42:03
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Sb: #14032-#Vender's area
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve, I just went back and reread VENDER.TXt and found that it specified that
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the area eas to be semi private, and not open to individuals, but to venders
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only with a criteria.
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That dousn't sound very "open to the individual" to me...
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I eas suggesting an area of verders that would be used as a customer service
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area, as is done on some of the other SIGs...
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Thanks anyhow,
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Dick
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#: 14052 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 13:51:51
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Sb: #14039-#Vender's area
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X)
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Dick,
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I do appreciate the kind words, thanks!
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On the Vendor area ... again, the Vendor Section is a semi private area meant
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for the use of the Vendors only. However .... they still see and can respond to
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any messages posted in any other section of the forum.
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By having a 'private' area they can use, we can count on them being around to
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help with folks questions in other areas.
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Make sense?
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Steve
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#: 14073 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 11:49:59
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Sb: #14052-Vender's area
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Appreciatr the reply, but as to "make sence", to this grampa'sd old mind, I'm
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not really sure I comprahend...!!
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Sorry, I guess I'm just gettin' old...
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As to access, I'm alwayd glad tosee access "customer service" style so will
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applaud that ...
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That was my whole purpose in this string.
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Best to you, and C U D.
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#: 14029 S9/Utilities
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22-Jan-92 12:50:48
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Sb: #Read OS9 disk on IBM PC?
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Fm: bruce winter 76476,2324
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To: all
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I'm looking for a program that can read an OS9 formatted diskette on an IBM PC.
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Sample source code would be helpful.
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Thank You. Regards, Bruce Winter.
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#: 14043 S9/Utilities
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22-Jan-92 23:52:10
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Sb: #14029-Read OS9 disk on IBM PC?
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: bruce winter 76476,2324 (X)
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I asked the same question on Delphi but got no answers. According to Rainbow
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(about a year ago) the program you need would be either Xenocopy or CoCo Util
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II. But Microcom is--or seems to be--out of business so I wouldn't hold out
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much hope for them. One of my local BBS's has something which might do the job
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but it's extremely difficult to get on. My autodialer always makes over a
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hundred attempts to get on (and I give up after 150-175 attempts.) If you have
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only text files, the PC shareware program Read My Disk !might be able to do it
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(I haven't tried it.) Read My Disk! however was intended to recover DOS files
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so it might not work well. If your files are no bigger than 156K you might
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want to convert them to Disk BASIC with the utility RSDos which you can
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download here. You'll also need a patch file for CC3Disk which you can also
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download here. Then go to the CoCo Forum and have your PC download AS9TOO.ARC
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and you may also need SWAPAB.ZIP. As a last resort you can always use a null
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modem connection; this will be very slow.
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#: 14057 S9/Utilities
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23-Jan-92 22:45:54
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Sb: #14029-Read OS9 disk on IBM PC?
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: bruce winter 76476,2324 (X)
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It might be easier to read/write an MESS-DOS disk on your OS-9 system.
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-J
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#: 14035 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 22:06:24
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Sb: #OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: ALL
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Several months ago, when Radio Shack was closibg out everything for the Coco, I
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bought OS9.
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Now I've noticed that what I bought was levrl 1.1 while everything on here is
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level 2!
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Did I waste my money???
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What do I do with 1.1???
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Thanks,
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Dick
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#: 14041 S1/General Interest
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22-Jan-92 23:43:34
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Sb: #14035-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X)
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If you are using a CoCo1 or 2, no, because you can't run Level 2. If you are
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using a CoCo3, almost but not quite. You gain an assembler which will run on
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Level 2 which will do quite well in lieu of the Level 2 assembler which will be
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very difficult to get. You also gain a few extra commands (like Save and Dump)
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though I'm not sure if the Lev1 versions will run on Lev2 properly. And the
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manuals might prove helpful now and then. I've found that having full Lev1
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documentation helped me determine why some things were not working for me on
|
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Lev2: it's because they were Lev1 and Lev2 implemented the same things
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differently. I also found a text file which referred to a specific page in one
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of the manuals. I couldn't find anything in my Lev2 books so I checked my Lev1
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and found what the file was talking about (and that I really didn't have the
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problem the file addressed because it's Lev1 only). So if you're using a CoCo3
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and paid less than ten dollars for Lev1 (I paid five) I'd say keep it.
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#: 14072 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 11:44:12
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Sb: #14041-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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|
Thanks for the reply...
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I'm almost totally computer programming illeraye, so when I looked at the books
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that camewith level 1.1, they meant very little to me.
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I simply don't know enuf to understand them..
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|
I'm running a Coco 3, but have a modified 1, and a stock 2 as well.
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What happens if I try to run Ultimateterm or somethong like that that is meant
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for level 2 ojn my level 1.1 ???
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Will it take it???
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Best, D.
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#: 14075 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 14:49:00
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Sb: #14072-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X)
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Ultimaterm isn't an OS-9 program, so it won't run under Level 2 or Level 1 OS-9
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either one. You should give serious thought to grabbing one of the versions of
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sterm to use with CIS under OS-9, since it will support CIS B protocol,
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definitely the way to go when using CIS.
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#: 14084 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 13:19:25
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Sb: #14075-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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"Sterm", ok, thanks...
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Do you have any suggestions on a good word processing program?? the word
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processing and communicating are about all I do in computing.
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I have used Autoterm almost exclusively as it does a neat job of both.
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Thanks for your wisdom and good words,
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D.
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#: 14086 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 14:45:12
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Sb: #14084-OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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Hmm...I don't do much in the way of word processing. When I do, I typically
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use a plain vanilla text editor to generate a file I feed to a text formatter,
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rather than using a word processor as such. Perhaps other folks who know more
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about it will respond.
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#: 14076 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 16:56:15
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Sb: #14072-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X)
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As powerful as OS-9 is, it is not a simple operating system and it will take
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time and effort to learn it and make it work for you (rather than you for it).
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It won't happen overnight. If your CoCo1 or 2 has 64K and Extended BASIC you
|
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can use your OS-9 1.1 on that. Check the message you see on the screen when
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you power up. If you see DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1, put your system master
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disk in drive 0 and type DOS[ENTER]. Otherwise put your Boot Disk in drive 0
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and type RUN "*"[ENTER] then select Boot OS-9 from the menu. Again, you cannot
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use your version of OS-9 on the CoCo3; you must have Level 2 to run OS-9 on a
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CoCo3. Some things meant for Level 2 will run on your Level 1 1.1, but most
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won't. To make things worse, they will load: they just won't run. Ultimaterm
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is not a OS-9 program. When my CoCo3 was working it was my predominant
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terminal program and I like it a lot. It will work only on the CoCo3 but you
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run it from ordinary Disk BASIC. If you get OS-9 Level 2 you might want to get
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STerm (which is for OS-9) as an additional terminal program. I've used that as
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well as SuperComm, OSTerm, and XCom9 but Ulterm remained my primary program.
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#: 14085 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 13:35:53
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Sb: #14076-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)
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Interesting....
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I had no idea that OS9 leve 1.1 wouldn't work on a Coco 3!!!
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I got it specifically because I thought it needed a 3!!!
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Oh, well, I only paid ten dollars for it... that won't beeak me (grin).
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Yes, there is a lot to learn. OS9 is supposed to like Xenix, and I also felt I
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needed to know something about that system if I'm to remain a professional
|
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electronic communications technician, which I am, or was.
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I'm a prematurally retired Western Union Field Service Technician/Technocal
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Rep, with some computer technician training, but NO programming training.
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They had us responsible for data terminals and computers configured as
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terminals, the leased phone lines, intercity multiplexing networks, and the
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networks themselves.
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We had pour own networks, plus maintenance responsibility for contracted
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private systems all over and kinds.
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Nevell and Xenix are more recent, and I feel it necessary to keep up...
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Thanks again for your answeres.. apreciate it.
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D.
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#: 14089 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 21:09:36
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Sb: #14085-OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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OS-9 was based on "classic" Unix. OS-9 and Unix have developed apart from each
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other and there are now many differences between them. But if you are
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comfortable with one you will be able to pick up the other fairly easily. Try
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out your 1.1 on the CoCo2. You can't do as much with it as you can do with
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Level 2 on a CoCo3 but it will offer enough to be worthwhile. And if you find
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a copy of the Level 2 system you'll already have a head start on it.
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#: 14098 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 17:26:34
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Sb: #14085-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
|
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To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041
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Also, there was an upgrade for OS-9 Lvl 1 ver 1.1 to ver. 2.0 that would allow
|
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it to run on a CoCo3. You might be able to dig up one of those upgrade
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packages. It would still be a Level 1 system as opposed to a Level 2 system,
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but there were some patches for Level 1 ver. 2.0 that allowed the CoCo3's extra
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memory to be used for RamDisk area.
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The ideal thing to do is try to get up to Level 2 ver. 02.00.01. It exploits
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the CoCo3 more completely.
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Lee
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#: 14106 S1/General Interest
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28-Jan-92 09:07:30
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Sb: #14098-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee -
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Also - I forget EXACTLY where (Kev?), but there's a constant that you can
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change in the pre-boot or boot code from $FF00 to $FE00 and LI versions 1.00
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and 1.01 will boot (this code is resident in the first several bytes on track
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34). The reason is that a CC3 uses the uppermost page as an interrupt table,
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and os9 LI loading there clobbers it.
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Pete
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#: 14107 S1/General Interest
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28-Jan-92 09:56:26
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Sb: #14106-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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That patch location may be documented in the D/Ls. I'm like you, I remember
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that there was a patch, but that's it.
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Lee
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#: 14108 S1/General Interest
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28-Jan-92 12:57:32
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Sb: #14107-#OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Aha. Took a wee bit of looking, but in Lib 10:
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CC3FIX.ASM/Asc Bytes: 2560, Count: 131, 08-Nov-86 Last:12-Jan-92
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Title :
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Keywords: PATCH SOURCE SRC 1.0 1.1 COCO 3
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"CC3FIX is the source code for a program to patch OS9 L-I ver 1.X to run on a
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CoCo-3. Instructions are in the file. Note: be sure to use a newly formatted
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disk. This pgrm is run while under 1.X on your CoCo-2. The boot created runs on
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CoCo-3. Also get FIXCMD.ASM to patch your old OS9gen and cobbler. From Kent
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Meyers"
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#: 14113 S1/General Interest
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29-Jan-92 00:37:49
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Sb: #14108-OS9 lvl 1.1
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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I hope O.C. (Dick) Warren is reading this thread, he's the fellow that was
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first asking about such a fix for 1.0/1.1 OS-9 running on a CoCo3.
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Thanks,
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Lee
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#: 14054 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 20:21:36
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Sb: 800 access
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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Hope you caught the announcement in the What's New bulletin this morming
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regarding the 800 access number from Canada. Seem's some one in Columbus made a
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mistake. It's going up the first of Feb.
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Go NEW for the details.
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Steve
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#: 14055 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 20:57:42
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Sb: #CD-I
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Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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To: all
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Hi all,
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If you would like to find out what store near you carries CD-I systems call
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this number. They will ask you your zip code and tell you where to go to see
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it.
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800-223-7772
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Frank
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#: 14058 S1/General Interest
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23-Jan-92 22:46:01
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Sb: #14055-CD-I
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)
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The current issue of the Amiga magazine ".Info" has a comparison of Commodore's
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CDTV CD-Rom unit and a CD-I unit. I have NOT read this article yet so I can't
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comment on it, but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone is interested.
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-J
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#: 14060 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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24-Jan-92 03:18:57
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Sb: #Dynacalc
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Fm: Dave Harm 75500,2035
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To: ALL
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PLEASE HELP. Still quite a rookie at the CoCo3(128k,FD-502 disk) When I DOS
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Dynacalc, all I seem to get is "static" - is this program meant for the CoCo3?
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#: 14061 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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24-Jan-92 13:08:45
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Sb: #14060-Dynacalc
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Dave Harm 75500,2035
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Dave -
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Dynacalc will run smartly on a coco or coco2 as well. Tell us step by step what
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you're doing, and how your system is configured.
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Pete
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#: 14065 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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24-Jan-92 22:24:03
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Sb: #14060-Dynacalc
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Fm: T. David Nichols 76120,747
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To: Dave Harm 75500,2035
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The OS9 boot file on the Dynacalc disk will not work on a COCO3, but you can
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run the program if you have OS9 Level II to start it with. (Mabe someone knows
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whether you can start it with Level I Version 2.) As a reward for doing this,
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you can run Dynacalc in an 80-column window, and it will use the extra space to
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display more of the spreadsheet. Those programmers were thinking ahead!
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#: 14069 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Jan-92 05:24:05
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Sb: #14060-Dynacalc
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Dave Harm 75500,2035
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I examined the bootfile of dynacalc. it is Level I version 1.01. this will not
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boot on a CoCo3. Version 2.0 of Level I will boot but like a reply said boot up
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level II and use it. I use dynacalc all the time and love it. check out the d/l
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for a file i uploaded called 'dyntrm.txt' it shows how to modify the .trm file
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for terminals. I use it to turn reverse on for the borders (so the row/col
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markers show inverse)
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Mike
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#: 14074 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Jan-92 14:30:38
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Sb: #14060-Dynacalc
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Dave Harm 75500,2035
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Dave,
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You may also need a patch in the d/l that fixes Dynacalc so that it doesn't
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output its own line feed with each line printed to the printer.
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Lee
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#: 14064 S7/Telecommunications
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24-Jan-92 18:29:12
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Sb: My INTERNET Address :)
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: ALL
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If you would like to reach me on the INTERNET my address is:
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keith@khmarch.bowlgreen.OH.US
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#: 14066 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 02:58:43
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Sb: #Help! Disto & SCSI
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Fm: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032
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To: All
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I need some help with my CoCo III. I have a Seagate ST157n-1 SCSI drive
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attached to a Disto 4-in-1 card. When I try to do a low level format I get
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errors. I have the 4-in-1 running through a Multipak. Any ideas about what
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could be wrong?
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14078 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 19:28:38
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Sb: #14066-Help! Disto & SCSI
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032 (X)
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Dear Tom,
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What sort of errors do you get. Are they 243,244, or 247. Or do you mean that
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you are unable to format it. I have a COCO3 with 512k, SC11 and a Seagate 138n.
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I replaced the driver from DISTO with the Seagate one from SCSI4.7 which should
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be here on CIS. I had a bit of trouble getting it all to work. If I can find
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my notes (forum messages which I have saved) I will try to reconstruct what I
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did.
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With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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ps. One thing you probably would not want to try. I dropped the hard drive down
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a flight of stairs. After that....it worked.
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#: 14067 S1/General Interest
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25-Jan-92 05:05:59
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Sb: #13904-#About AR Version 1.4
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Wayne,
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I have uploaded (i think) a few files recently but I am not sure if it was with
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the newer ar's. If I have could you PLEASE tell me which files are mine and Ill
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re-do them with ar 1.2 and re-upload them. I do not remember if I did.
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Mike
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#: 14092 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 02:35:00
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Sb: #14067-About AR Version 1.4
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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Mike,
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We've caught the files that are identified as being with 1.4, so I wouldn't
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worry about it too much, unless someone mentions something.
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To find your files in the library, you'd enter the command:
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CAT [76576,2715] / LIB:All
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and the files you uploaded in all libraries would be displayed.
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Wayne
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#: 14068 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Jan-92 05:07:39
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Sb: #13732-#Rogue under Multivue
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Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X)
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How did you mangae that? Anytime I ran rogue from MV it loads in its own fonts
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and messes up the icon bar of MV. I was forced to run rogue from a text screen
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since apperently the font set of rogue conflicts with MV.
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Mike
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14083 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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26-Jan-92 13:05:58
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Sb: #14068-Rogue under Multivue
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Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
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To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
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I use the following AIF in the /dd/games/rogue directory. That directory has
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all of the support files including the fonts for the game. I just open up a
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graphic window 80 x 24 and it works!!!
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rouge
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/dd/misc/icons/icon.rogue
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0
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5
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80
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24
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0
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5
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That is all it is to it!
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Bert
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#: 14079 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Jan-92 20:57:56
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Sb: Coco tech lit for sale
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Fm: David J. Campbell 72707,1346
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To: All
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For Sale: Coco I Technical Reference Manual - $10 including shipping. Also
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Service Manual for Coco II's catalog numbers 26-3026 and 26-3027 - $12.50
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including shipping. Please reply via Compuserve Mail if interested. Thanks.
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Dave
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#: 14080 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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25-Jan-92 21:06:55
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Sb: 76703,4255
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Fm: LEONARD S. SCHEURING 76270,2564
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To: STEVE WEGERT
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STEVE
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|
THANK YOU FOR THE TIP. I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD USE XCOM9 AT 300 BAUD,WHICH
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|
IS ALL MY OLD DCM-7 MODEM RUNS AT.
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|
I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO FIND A COPY OF THE COMPLETE MEMORY MAP OF THE COCO3
|
|
SO THAT I CAN INTERFACE AN MC6850 ACIA CHIP TO THE COCO TO
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|
USE WITH THE ACIAPAK DRIVER ON RADIO SHACK OS9. DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS THE
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MAP OR HAS INTERFACED AN ACIA CHIP? I DON'T HAVE THE
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MULTIPACK INTERFACE SO I WILL HAVE TO USE A PROTO BOARD I HAVE WHICH FITS THE
|
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PROGRAM PACK SLOT ON THE COCO. I HAVE BUFFERS TO INSTALL ON
|
|
THE BOARD AND AM FAMILIAR WITH THE MOTOROLA CHIP FAMILIES. ANY INFO YOU CAN
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FIND WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED. AGAIN,THANKS FOR THE HELP.
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#: 14081 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 06:49:07
|
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Sb: #Disto & SCSI
|
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Fm: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032
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|
To: Brother Jeremy CSJW, 76477,142 (X)
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I have trouble t doing the low level format from RS BASIC. It doesn't give an
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error number like in OS9. I have formatted the drive before with another
|
|
(later version) of the Disto 4-in-1 and it worked. Once I can get the low
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level format then it is easy to do the OS9 format. Any ideas?
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14082 S1/General Interest
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26-Jan-92 11:00:11
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Sb: #14081-Disto & SCSI
|
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032
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Dear Tom, What are you using to format the drive? I think that there was a
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utility on the Disto disk. I can't remember but I might have done mine under
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RGB-DOS which I am not certain if it is still available. I still think,
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|
however, I finally had luck with SCS1_4.7. I had to make a new Boot disk. Very
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easy with EZGEN from BURKE and BURKE. It is possible
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that the first sector on the HD is bad. As a final thought, years ago it was
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suggested that if a cassette tape did not load properly, one should turn the
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tape player upside down. Rainbow always had letters proving that
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it worked. I did the same with my HArd Drive and I was able to format it. I
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have some theories as to why it worked, but in any case it did. Don't give up,
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the folks here were very helpful when I couldn't get mine working.
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With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 14087 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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26-Jan-92 18:47:21
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Sb: #Getting started on COCO3
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Fm: T. David Nichols 76120,747
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To: ALL
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I am just getting started with OS9 on a 512k COCO3. I have seen references to
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patches that are available here, and I'd like some advice. Are any of these
|
|
patches necessary to make OS9 work as the book says it does? I'd like to run it
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"plain vanilla" while I get the feel of it, then look into enhancements. I'll
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appreciate any tips and/or referrals to tutorials in the data libraries.
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Thanks in advance!
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14090 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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26-Jan-92 21:18:48
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Sb: #14087-Getting started on COCO3
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Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
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To: T. David Nichols 76120,747 (X)
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|
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Very few if any the patches are necessary to get OS-9 to work as described in
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the book. The patches will make things work faster, take less memory space, or
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|
have additional abilities. Some also fix some minor bugs in the Level 2 system
|
|
which you may never notice unless you're doing more unusual things. What
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you're doing is what I did and it turned out fine. You may want to download the
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IPatch utility now. When you are ready to begin applying patches the IPatch
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utility is necessary for many of them. I would recommend you always keep a
|
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backup copy available and make patches on a new disk in case something goes
|
|
wrong. It may also help you later if you keep records of your patches. This
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way if you should run into conflicts or have any other trouble you can trace
|
|
your steps backwards and maybe find the problem faster. I also numbered my
|
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boot disks with revision numbers like those you find on software packages; my
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last book disk is Version 9.2 (eight major revisions after my first one, and
|
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two minor revisons since the last major one)
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#: 14091 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 00:21:49
|
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Sb: TC70 Kit
|
|
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
|
|
To: all
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|
|
|
Hi all...
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|
|
|
I just uploaded a file describing...
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The Fabulous Tomcat TC70 is now available as a KIT!
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|
|
Frank Hogg - FHL
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|
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#: 14093 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
|
27-Jan-92 05:35:43
|
|
Sb: OS-9 Community Network.
|
|
Fm: Robert R MacKay 100036,676
|
|
To: 76370,2100
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|
|
John,
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|
As I understand it we have arranged for supply of the OS-9 echo to our
|
|
BBS (3:640/316) here in the state of Queensland, Australia. I am in the process
|
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of writing some notes for the editorial of our Australian OS-9 newsletter with
|
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a view to encouraging subscription to the new OS-9 community network and the
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Fidonet BBS network here in Australia. I am confident that support will be
|
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substantial. I still have not been able to track down a membership application
|
|
form for the "OS-9 Community Network". Any additional information that you may
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be able to provide would be great. Regards & best wishes, Rob MacKay. (27th
|
|
January 1992).
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#: 14094 S3/Languages
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27-Jan-92 10:57:10
|
|
Sb: #13867-#Help
|
|
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
|
|
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I ordered the C compiler from RS and they gave me the disks but not
|
|
book!! I don't know if I got it all or what! I've been having trouble compiling
|
|
a few things cause I don't have the file 'string.h' or 'strings.h'. Do you know
|
|
where I can get them? I know that most everyone is moving on to bigger things.
|
|
I hoping to buy a 386 this spring. I've been looking at some 40 mhz systems
|
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that have had me drooling over them!<grin> It would be great if the CoCo ran
|
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that fast! Imagine that! Thanks for you help.
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 14096 S3/Languages
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27-Jan-92 14:39:27
|
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Sb: #14094-#Help
|
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
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To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)
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|
|
George -
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I always get this mixed up, but in UNIX land, System V uses either string.h or
|
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strings.h, and Berkeley uses the other one.
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|
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You should be able to get all the .h files you need by downloading Carl
|
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Kreider's C Library replacement stuff. Browse over in DL3.
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|
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Yell for any help you need - that's why we iz here. Also, beat on Rat Shack
|
|
until they produce a book for you. Won't help you with C, but will give you
|
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some compiler poop to mull over.
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Pete
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 14102 S3/Languages
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28-Jan-92 03:29:04
|
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Sb: #14096-#Help
|
|
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
|
|
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the help. I finally find the header files I need after replying to
|
|
the previous message. I must have missed it before or something. (who knows
|
|
what happens at 4:30am??) Now I need to find the RMA file for the CC program.
|
|
I'll probably find after I leave this but just in case, do you know the file I
|
|
need to get by chance? Rat Shack finally gave up on the book so I bought 'Teach
|
|
Yourself C' by Herbert Schildt. Its pretty much informative and shows some
|
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great examples of stuff. Welp, I'm off!
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#: 14105 S3/Languages
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28-Jan-92 09:03:59
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Sb: #14102-#Help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)
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George -
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Under the RS version of the Level 1 C Compiler (works fine on L2, BTW), RMA =
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#: 14118 S3/Languages
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30-Jan-92 03:04:24
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Sb: #14105-#Help
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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I don't know what level version I have of the C Compiler other than it being
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version 1 (c)1983. It didn't have the files RMA or RLINK in it. I did find a
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patch file for RMA and RLINK here. I tried them out on c.asm and c.link and it
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didn't work. Do I have all the files that I need? Or should I just give up and
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buy a new computer that has tons of software available?
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#: 14121 S3/Languages
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30-Jan-92 08:50:26
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Sb: #14118-Help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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George -
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Easy, pal...... let's get the facts foist:
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What DO you have on the disk? To my knowledge, the ONLY C compiler R/S ever
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sold for OS9 was the LI coco version, and it used C.link, and C.asm. There was
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an UPDATE to these later on the LII Developer's Kit that offered RMA and RLINK.
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Send a directory of your disk and we'll take it from there. Remember when you
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store the message here to use 'SU' (store unformatted), or the CIS editor will
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mung it as it sees fit.
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#: 14097 S3/Languages
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27-Jan-92 14:41:36
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Sb: #14094-Help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)
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Yep - just checked. Nab HEADER.AR in DL3. That should do it.
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#: 14095 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 13:48:46
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Sb: #13932-CoCo Stuff For Sale
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Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134
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To: Jim Hutchins 73357,1661
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Do you have MVCanvas left? I would like to have that if you still have. Let me
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know and we can make arrangements.
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CIS 71046,1134 Delphi TruckerBob
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Thanks
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Bob
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#: 14099 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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27-Jan-92 18:04:28
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Sb: E.A.R.S.
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: All
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Friends, Romans, Countryman...
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Sell me your E.A.R.S.
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That is to say, your Electronic Audio Recognition System
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I'd be willing to pay a fair price for this complete system and any OS9 Drivers
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that might've be developed for it.
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Thanks,
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Lee
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p.s. With apologies to William S. LV
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#: 14100 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 22:43:07
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Sb: For Sale
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Fm: - Visitor 72517,2423
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To: CoCo Users
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For sale, COCO Model 26-3027 SN 001581764K 32k expanded to 64k and COCO-2 64K
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Model 26-3127 SN 0113392 plus FD201 drives and other equipment Call
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1-800-356-6255 ask for Joe.
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#: 14101 S1/General Interest
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27-Jan-92 23:27:58
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Sb: Email
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Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi. Just a note to let you know I sent you email.
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Thanks
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Frank
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#: 14109 S1/General Interest
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28-Jan-92 14:27:08
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Sb: Disto SC-II wanted
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Fm: John L. Wilkerson Jr. 71140,77
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To: All
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I am looking for a Disto SC-II w/ the no-halt driver. If someone has one
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they wish to part with Real CHEAP, let me know.
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#: 14111 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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28-Jan-92 20:03:52
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Sb: #Mshell Discount?
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: all
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A few weeks ago a few people mentioned Microware's new "Mshell," and how great
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it would be to have except that the price was out of the reach of most hacker
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types (myself included).
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Here's a marketing suggestion for Microware:
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In recognition of the benefits of having an avid (evangelical?) group of users
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spreading the word about their products, run a limited time special offer to
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users of the Compuserve and Delphi OS-9 forums. Set it up so that if you
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mention the 'the Compuserve/Delphi special' you would get a discount on one
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copy of Mshell. I don't think that this would affect their commercial sales
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much, how many of their commercial accounts are on here? In my opinion, a
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selling price of $100.00 would be reasonable.
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Thoughts, comments?
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-J
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#: 14115 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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29-Jan-92 19:19:48
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Sb: #14111-Mshell Discount?
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Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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My personal feeling is that mshell should become a part of standard OSK system.
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The current shell is about brain dead, and badly needs replacement. Mshell is
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a wonderful addition and should be seen as part of standard distribution for
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enhancing user productivity. mshell will sell the OS. Marketing it separately
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keeps the majority of users in the dark about realizing that there is a good
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shell. A good normal distribution shell is a plus. For those who want an
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upgrade of shell only, it should be made as available as possible to help get
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OSK of the launching pad with acceptance.
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#: 14117 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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30-Jan-92 01:31:36
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Sb: #14111-Mshell Discount?
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Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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Your idea sounds great.....but I doubt that it will happen.
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I checked on the prices of both the latest version of the C Compiler, and also
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MW's Lint program (well, that wasn't the name they used, but it sure does SOUND
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like a lint program).
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Both of them were $850, and they would NOT budge one red cent from that price.
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The OSK marketplace is full of commercial users, not us home computer users,
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from what I'm told, and they price their programs on the basis of what they
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will sell for in the commercial marketplace.
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As the OSK marketplace right now has between 5,000 and 10,000 systems, and us
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68070/68000 new marketplace probably does not exceed about 250 (for all TC70,
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MM/1 and System IV systems sold), our 'voice' will be little heard in Des
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Moines.
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If our 'new age' machines ever hit the 1-2,000 sales, then we might start
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having a slightly larger say in pricing of MW stuff.
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Until the, regretably, we'll be the little fly buzzing around the head of MW.
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I'm not putting us down, mind you, be we gotta look at this marketplace
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realistically.
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jim
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#: 14112 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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28-Jan-92 20:18:03
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Sb: #MM/1 I/O Board
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Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
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To: ALL
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Just thought I'd tell everyone that I got my MM/1 I/O board today. By the way,
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my serial number is 120848. I've installed it and formatted my 32 meg Seagate
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(the Quantum LPS105 hasn't been delivered yet). Now I've got to play or rather
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work with the computer to test everything out. Everything seems to be working
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perfectly so far.
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Ernie.
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#: 14123 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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30-Jan-92 08:55:20
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Sb: #14112-MM/1 I/O Board
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Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
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To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X)
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