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#: 9534 S3/Languages
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16-Feb-91 17:33:10
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Sb: #the **p syntax in 'C'
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: all
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I have seen this syntax infrequently in college 'C' text and in source code,
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but I have yet found a good explaination.
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It is in reference to pointers and I beleieve it is called
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'double indirection'??? the syntax is
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char **p = & dummy or char **match(p,name) What does the **
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actually say
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#: 9538 S3/Languages
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17-Feb-91 00:35:53
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Sb: #9534-the **p syntax in 'C'
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Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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Actually, it means two different but related things, depending on where
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you find it. In both of your examples, it was in a declaration
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statement, (the first was complicated bu the fact that it included
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an initialization, and the second was the declaration of a function).
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the simplest example of this type is : char **p; This is a declaration
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of the variable p. The first (RIGHTmost) asterisk means that p is a
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pointer. Fair enough, but a pointer to what? The second asterisk tells
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us that the what is a pointer itself. So p is a pointer to a pointer.
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But what is the pointer that p is pointing to pointing at? A char. So
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p is a pointer to a pointer to char. In your example, the initialization
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is of p, setting up p to contain the address of a variable (p points to
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that variable). That variable had better be a pointer to char.
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Later in the code, after the definitions and declarations have been all
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done, the asterisk has a different meaning altogether: instead of explaining
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what the variable being declared is, it is an operator, "doing" something
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to the expression it is operating on. If i is an int, and p is a pointer to
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int, and pp is a pointer to pointer to int, then follow this:
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i = 4;
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p = &i;
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pp = &p;
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Question: what is **pp ? First, read it as *(*pp) So pp is pointing to
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p, so *pp evaluates as equivalent to p. And p is pointing to i, so *p
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evaluates as equivalent to i. So **pp is equivalent to i. So **pp is 4.
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See?
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Sandy
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#: 9539 S3/Languages
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17-Feb-91 11:44:39
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Sb: #9534-the **p syntax in 'C'
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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Scott -
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char **p = &dummy;
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Says: p is a pointer to a pointer that points to a char type. The &dummy says
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assign the address of dummy (i.e. a pointer) to that slot. Typically double
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indirects are used with arrays of pointer, like **argv for instance.
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The 'char **match(p,name) says that match is a function that returns a pointer
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to a pointer to a type of char.
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Pete
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#: 9535 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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16-Feb-91 21:28:45
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Sb: #9528-#dir file help
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Not all dirs does this happen to!! only 2 out of 32 dirs!! Can you look at this
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for me?
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#: 9537 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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16-Feb-91 22:05:21
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Sb: #9535-#dir file help
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Ev - email me your code again (and be ****sure**** you send it as text)... I
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was going to look at it today, but the power dropped at the house and I lost it
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off my ramdisk.
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Have those dirs been sorted or anything, btw? What exactly is happening? Just
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giving the wrong dates and file sizes, or ?
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#: 9567 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Feb-91 23:18:34
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Sb: #9537-#dir file help
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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only wrong on 2 out of 26 dirs!! All is wrong dates file size (name is ok)
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Sending it to you!
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#: 9571 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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20-Feb-91 08:50:45
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Sb: #9567-#dir file help
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Ev - your program seemed to work okay here.
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Are those 2 bad dirs okay? That is, "dir e" and all the files work there?
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Have you checked to see just _what_ is unusual about those dirs? Like perhaps
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they're much further into the disk? (which would mean that the sector math is
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getting screwed up?)
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And have you inserted a PAUSE in your program, and stepped through it to try to
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figure out what is going wrong, and where? - kev
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PS: I assume those 2 dirs are on /dd? Since you have that part hardcoded where
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you open "/dd@".
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#: 9576 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 00:30:24
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Sb: #9571-#dir file help
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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No the two bad dir are on the ab drive (I never use that any more)! How do I
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fix the math?
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#: 9578 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 02:52:29
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Sb: #9576-dir file help
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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I don't know... the math looked okay to me at first glance, but then that can
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be tricky at times.
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Again: put a PAUSE in there and trace the program flow!!! Or at the least, put
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in some PRINT statements to make sure things go as you expected. This is what
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we all do at times like this.... debug! <grin>
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#: 9579 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 02:55:14
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Sb: #9576-dir file help
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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PS: in addition to print/debug stuff... you can use dEd in another window to
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check on the FD's and directory structure as your program steps along. Multiple
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screens are an excellent help to debugging stuff like this.
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So far we have no idea if the math is bad, or what. You must do some debugging
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first (which can only be done by YOU on your system), in order to get more
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clues and info... enough to at least get closer to the problem.
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best - kev
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#: 9540 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 11:46:39
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Sb: #9535-dir file help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Everett -
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a) Look at _what_?
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b) When you do DIR commands, do the directories show up okay?
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c) The code would have to pretty much be in C.. I have long since
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forgotten B09..
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Pete
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#: 9536 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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16-Feb-91 21:43:43
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Sb: #9496-GFX2 Upgrade
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Fm: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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I can hardly wait!!!!
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#: 9542 S9/Utilities
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17-Feb-91 17:40:56
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Sb: #go command?
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete,
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Mark Griffith's manual on the uucp package refers to "Pete Lyall's go utility",
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which allows parameter substitutions in shell scripts. I have looked through
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my lists of files on the forum and cannot find your "go". (A program named
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"go.ar" by William Tyler was purged from DL5.) Did you write and post a go
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command here? If so, where is it located?
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Thanks for the help.
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Ken
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#: 9563 S9/Utilities
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18-Feb-91 13:03:55
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Sb: #9542-#go command?
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Ken Drexler 75126,3427 (X)
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Ken -
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I took the UGLIB 'go' command (DL5's) and buffed it up a bit eons ago.
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Technically, it's still William Tyler's. I guess it may have been that I was
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just a major proponent of the GO command for a long time.
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Pete
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#: 9608 S9/Utilities
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23-Feb-91 11:38:59
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Sb: #9563-go command?
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete,
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Thanks for the reply. I'll go grab the go in DL5.
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Ken
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#: 9543 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:18:48
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Sb: #9190-12-bit timer: help!
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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I know we sparked a thread on MIDI recording using the CoCo3 some time back,
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but this Timer/SMF project is not related to MIDI recording: we're just going
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to read a SMF and play it into a synth. The MIDI data stream isn't the
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question; how to do "Timed I/O" using "anyone's existing I/O driver to his
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hardware port" is the question. And I think I have a neat solution as
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explained in my TMRDRV.TXT article. I'd appreciate some response on it!
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Also this Timer thing was hopefully going to be useable by others -- for
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example Mike Knudsen if he'd care to respond! -- to alleviate the "bogging down
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effect" we've continually noticed when playing some thick UME scores.
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This reply I suppose should really be sent to "All".
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I was hoping my TMRDRV.TXT file will be read before anyone decides to respond
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to this particular thread. I know how the 12-bit register ought to be
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programmed. What I NEED to know is how best to implement the support for it
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under OS9 L2. I wouldn't write 19k-bytes of "ideas and questions" if I didn't
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need the help!
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My article also describes how the 12-bit timer could be used to control the
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task switching etc. instead of a constant 50/60Hz interrupt.
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One of the *main* reasons for one of these threads is to find out whether SVC
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numbers or Get/Set-Stat numbers have been assigned to Timing Functions under
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any OS9/OSK flavor. If so, could the docs be shared? So I'd know and I'll try
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to follow them to make this timer driver compatible.
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And I would also like to know whether similar hardware timer poppers are
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available on the 680x0 machines being produced? If not, we'll find it most
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difficult to perform accurate timing.
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All these specific questions are in my TMRDRV.TXT article. If y'all have any
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free time to respond -- don't be afraid to get technical -- I could use your
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input. Do read the article at any rate.
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-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464)
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#: 9544 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:20:29
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Sb: #9198-#12-bit timer: help!
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Hi Pete - just wondering if we could still get ya to send Tim Thompson a
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message thru your Usenet node? I do wish there was a postal address mentioned
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in these docs. I'd share these sources with y'all and Mike Knudsen if we could
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get it cleared thru him (one hurdle would be out of our way in getting some SMF
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support started for OS9ers).
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Oh his network path again is: ...att!twitch!glimmer!tjt...
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-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464)
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#: 9564 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Feb-91 13:09:49
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Sb: #9544-12-bit timer: help!
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Paul -
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Well - now I'm in the right place, but the context escapes me. Could you
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refresh me as to what I'm supposed to be asking Tim? Also, when you reply,
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please include Tim's address again. That way it won't matter whether I'm at
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work or at home..
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Pete
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#: 9545 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:21:56
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Sb: #dropping the CoCo3
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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Ok alright well shoot I knew they're going to do it. Tandy drop the CoCo that
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is. But just what the heck am I suppose to buy in its place? HUH?
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Where can I get a good multitasking-capable computer for under $200? HUH?
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Answer me that. I dare ya.
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And how much will it cost to upgrade that computer to 512k? 1-meg? 2-meg??
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HUH?
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You say your o.s. needs a minimum of 4-meg????? Git yo' face outa mine before
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I slap it off..... you must own stock in IBM or Intel or Microsoft.... or
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worse, work for them......
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What all kinds of jumpers & board addresses & XMA drivers and stuff like that
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will I need to do? HUH?
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Where do I buy a multitasking operating system complete with full window
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support -- ALL VARIETIES of windows: hardware text fonts for fast ASCII I/O,
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graphics windows with automatic scaling of vector-style graphic-drawing
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escape-driven commands that can be USED OVER A MODEM, SOFTWARE LOADABLE FONTS
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for these graphics windows -- ALL supported AT THE OPERATING-SYSTEM LEVEL FOR
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UNDER $100? HUH??
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WHERE AM I GOING TO BUY STUFF LIKE THIS AT THESE PRICES??? HUH???? THIS USED
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TO BE A HOBBY FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!
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I can't afford an MM/1, a Delmar, or any of the TomCats. FORGET IT. If IMS
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COULD bring its prices down to HALF what they charge for example, maybe just
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maybe I could ask IMS for a FINANCE APPLICATION. Forget it otherwise.
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Is any of this sinking in, folks? Do you know what I am saying? Do you HEAR
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what I'm saying? Can you COMPREHEND what I'm saying?
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Some of us don't need a Megafloppin' machine if it costs that much.
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Microware: announcing you have a new release of Basic/OSK in the Rainbow -- for
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$500 no less!!! Shame on you. Gawd I was embarrased when some coworkers saw
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that announcement. I was TRYING to show them how cheap we could buy ready-made
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canned programs. Sheesh.
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I would like to request that anyone developing applications for OSK should make
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a version for us Level 2 users, too, please.
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Well this message has reached the 2k limit. -- Paul Seniura.
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#: 9551 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 20:09:11
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Sb: #9545-#dropping the CoCo3
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)
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That wasn't a Microware announcement; that was a RAINBOW certification, saying
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that the RAINBOW people knew that Microware BASIC for OS-9/68000 in fact
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exists. I know what you mean about the $$$; $$$ are a problem for me, too, and
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I'm sorry, in a way, that Tandy has discontinued the CoCo. In a way, though,
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I'm not, because it just makes official what sure seemed to be operationally
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the case for a long time, and people had better realize that the CoCo now
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depends on its users. Shoot, it always has, but this is sort of like whatever
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Greek legend Asimov's old story "Black Friar of the Flame" was based on--we
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can't look elsewhere for our salvation.
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#: 9553 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 20:50:01
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Sb: #9551-dropping the CoCo3
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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Hi JJ!
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Mike Andrews says "Hi" too (not here, but some time back, next time I "see"
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ya!).
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Well at least I got my gripe-bag emptied out. It was building up to explosion
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status over these last many weeks. It popped when the RS dude at Heritage Park
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Mall (goodness I know 'em all now they've rotated so much!) when the store
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manager did say once the CoCo gear is gone, it is GONE.
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If anyone reading this is still not convinced - I thought I was the "last" one
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to BE convinced! - go git your favorite manager to check the story out.
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Would you believe that I almost got Mike to buy a CoCo - he saw UltiMusE on it
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before the commercial one came out - and of course he heard your tape from a
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while back as to what an MT-32 can do.
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For those of you who don't know - Mike is a right-smart high-genius-level IBM
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mainframe system programmer and a whole lot of other things. He considers his
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PC to *BE* the mainframe!! -- Right James?? :-)
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Oh and Mark Grennan says to come by his place whenever you come into town.
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Something I heard went on this past Christmas over there??
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Oh well .. on to other projects -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).
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#: 9546 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:23:18
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Sb: #Level 2 upgrade?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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Another message thread ... another subject.
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I keep hearing/reading about an update for OS9 L2 and I see that it's going to
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be "real". I wonder whether any of my text articles have been read in hopes of
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adding the kind of support we need in the operating system code itself?
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For example, I know several people have downloaded my original article about
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GRFDRV_PATCHES.TXT from GEnie (and Delphi & CIS I think had an official copy
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available). In it I discussed why a 225-line graphics screen cannot be
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supported by OS9 L2 on the CoCo3 -- due to the way the GrfDrv module and
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secondary system address space itself was being mapped. And how an upgraded L2
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release could change this map to support 225 graphic lines. This text file is
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almost 1.5 years old!
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Have any of the L2-Update developers read this article? Do any of you want to
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read it if you have had no access to it yet? Is it too late to make y'all wait
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to postpone releasing the update if the support could be worked into it? Or
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have y'all already put this support into the L2 upgrade?
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If all the massive midnight-oil nights of studying & hacking to get this
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article written is to no avail, well IT WASN'T MY FAULT! I shared it with
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hopes of causing an upgrade to be written in the first place, or at least have
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the 225-line mode supported in a planned upgrade.
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On a similar note, my TMRDRV.TXT article describes how the built-in 12-bit
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timer might be used for much smoother task switching, which would help stop the
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constant 50/60Hz IRQs to the 6809 CPU. This change ought to help OS9 from
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missing real-time response/data from higher-speed serial ports and the like. I
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know this article is quite new but the ideas presented could drastically
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enhance how OS9 performs on the CoCo3 -- it could really make it into a new
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animal.
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#: 9599 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Feb-91 18:23:43
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Sb: #9546-Level 2 upgrade?
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Actually, I don't think I've ever seen your Grfdrv patches idea file. Is it
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posted here? If not, please do so!
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Yes, the map could be changed to allow 225 line screens... except that the map
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(in at least one version) is used up beyond current versions. The extra space
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is used to map in an overlapping window mask table.
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Re: termcaps. I think we'd all like that in the system. Kinda short on system
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space under current L-II tho.
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One version of the upgrade does support the cursor getstt under windows. Even
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returns the character there (if on a text window). Hang on.
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Post the stat calls you don't have docs for; I'm sure people can help. Some of
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them people found out by having the original L-I MW docs.
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Haven't finished reading your timer article yet... lost it during a power
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outage here before I could. The <copyright> stuff all over it kinda delayed
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me, also ;-). best -kev
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#: 9547 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:24:05
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Sb: Level 2 upgrade?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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[...continued...]
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Then there's the inevitable question I have always asked: Why can't ANSI and
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TermCap support be at a system level? An application program should *never*
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need to worry about such hardware-level interdependence. It therefore never
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should need to worry about TermCap files but just use what control codes the
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o.s. supports -- the o.s.'s I/O modules will then massage the "meaning" of that
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control into whatever the device will support to "do" that. For example, the
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OS9 L2 environment uses $08 for backspace and $0C for clearing the screen. What
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if the device needs VT100 controls? The application shouldn't care -- the
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System, however, SHOULD DO the TermCap conversions, turning $08 into $1B3144
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and $0C into $1B324A (examples). What if the same device (like a modem dial-up
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line) needs multiple emulation support (say one caller needs VT52 but the next
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caller uses only basic TTY)? The Login utility, and some other on-line utility
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available to the user/caller, should do a SetStat call by, say, passing a
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character string which spells the name of a TermCap entry, and the I/O module
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will then read TermCap and determine its conversion rules/tables. The on-line
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utility can be used to let the caller change his mode on-the-fly.
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I was actually hoping to find a way to open up the control code definitions
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provided by any Device Descriptor. The problem here is that these definitions
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are only one-byte-per-control when they *ought* to be variable-length fields to
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be truthful and usable. Ignoring how this would change the existing Descriptor
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standards, just think and ponder about this for a while: This will permit OS9
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(any flavor) to truly become "Unified I/O", and will actually unload the burdon
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of the application having to support TermCap or hard-coded emulation. And the
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programmers who, at their whim, don't want to use TermCap or Emulation in their
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code, suddenly their applications should start working on any device.
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[...more...]
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#: 9548 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:24:39
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Sb: Level 2 upgrade?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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[...continued...]
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There's one more requirement we have stated in the past: We need a GetStat
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call for GrfInt/WindInt to provide us with the current X/Y location of the text
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cursor on any window! There is support for this in VDGint already. There
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currently isn't any such support for real windows (if there is, why hasn't
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anyone documented it yet?). Caution -- the cursor location calls listed in the
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book are for VDGint windows ONLY and they cause an "unknown stat call" error on
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real window devices (e.g. GrfInt/WindInt).
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My goodness, I found that we've been asking for this function since 3 years
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ago! Or at least how to patch the window drivers to provide this info.
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If this can be implemented, another burdon of application programs (most
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notably those terminal programs which understand an emulation protocol) will be
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lifted whereby the program must keep track of the X/Y position itself, and it
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can get off if it doesn't understand a control code properly. Why have all
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this duplicate effort in the application's coding logic (and prone to error)
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when the I/O system knows full well where that cursor is at all times?
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[...more...]
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#: 9549 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:25:18
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Sb: Level 2 upgrade?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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[...continued...]
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A final problem is with the books that come with OS9. I have YET to have
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anyone help me with the UNDOCUMENTED STAT CALLS as I've listed in my various
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articles I have posted here. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE EXPLAINED????? People
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are waiting for me to wrap up my ACIA driver! (It'll take too much space
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explaining what I'm missing to type it in the message forum here. Besides,
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I've already described what I'm missing: PLEASE download the articles if you
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think you can help, and we'll ALL appreciate it.)
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Lemme know about these improvement ideas ... -- Thx, Paul Seniura.
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(p.s. once again I'll post these sets of messages on all the systems I have
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accounts with, in case ya wonder why ya might've seen them elsewhere. I am
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trying desparately to reach the proper people involved with all flavors of
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OS9.)
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#: 9550 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 19:26:23
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Sb: #speed-up kit for CoCo3?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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Does anyone make a kit for the CoCo3 that will speed up the rate of the CPU? I
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seem to recall reading some messages on CIS way back that Bob van der Poel was
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about to finish up inventing such a critter. I know the TC-9 will do the same
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thing, but I can't afford even the bare TC-9 board that FHL is selling. But I
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think I could $afford$ buying a speed-up kit and doing the mods myself. -- Thx,
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Paul Seniura.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 9552 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 20:17:25
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Sb: #9550-#speed-up kit for CoCo3?
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)
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It is *not* the case that the CPU in the TC09 will run any faster than the CPU
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in the CoCo 3. The prototype that FHL had running at the April 1990
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RAINBOWFest was hacked so that it could at least some of the time run at a
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clock rate greater than 1.78 MHz, but that hackery will *not* appear in
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production TC09s. See the first of FHL's weekly TC09 blurbs for confirmation.
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I'm kind of disappointed--it means, as far as I can tell, that aside from not
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having to deal with bogosities like keyboard matrix decoding or the high-res
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mouse adapter (but one can grab info here on how to use a serial mouse), OS-9
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won't run any faster on a TC09 (by itself--we're not talking TC09 assisted by a
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680xx on another board) than on a CoCo 3.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 9554 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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17-Feb-91 20:52:22
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Sb: #9552-#speed-up kit for CoCo3?
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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Oh *NO*. I thought the FHL announcements "said" that but boy were they kinda
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vague about it.
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I guess I hope can see if Bob van der Poel ever did get his mods going the
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right way. That's *my* only hope of upgrading to anything this year (1991)!.
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-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 9566 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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18-Feb-91 21:41:23
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Sb: #9554-speed-up kit for CoCo3?
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Paul,
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Just to keep the record straight, I was not working on a speedup mod. I think
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that Bob Puppo was doing something in that line. Speedup mods sound like there
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might be hardware involved--and just changing a jumper is a big deal for this
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software fellow....
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#: 9555 S15/Hot Topics
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17-Feb-91 22:22:07
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Sb: #High Sierra CDROM fmts
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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I just went to the CDROM SIG here on CIS. They have a set of 4 text files that
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describe the High Sierra CDROM format to the hilt! These have been available
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on-line for exactly 3 years to the day!
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That's yet another hurdle we just jumped over (re: earlier messages on how
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OS9ers are faring on access to CDROM databases).
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Can the various makers of SCSI interfaces for the CoCo3/OS9 please reply to my
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original messages, and please describe how well "your" SCSI will handle the
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CDROM drives made for SCSI? (There are some CDROM drives being made that are
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not SCSI; I'm not concerned about those! :-) These would be "read-only" disks
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so to speak, so the Device Descriptors must be 100% accurate in relation to the
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prerecorded media, I would think.
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And then if your SCSI can run CDROM drives accurately, we might be home-free in
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developing a High Sierra RBF-style file manager. So, who can help us!?!?
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I might as well ask FHL how his K-buss SCSI cards can deal with CDROM drives?
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And I definitely need Disto to respond with respect to his Super Controller
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add-on cards. Please?
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And can Chris Burke find out if his XT interfacer can adapt the IBM-compatible
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8-bit SCSI cards to the CoCo buss and whether we might get some help along
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these particular ideas?
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Judging by the size of the H.S. text files I downloaded (goodness over
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180K-bytes all told), it might be the "last" hurdle -- and a DOOZY -- to get an
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OS9 file manager going to read those dudes.
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I hope - I hope - I hope - the various database formats are there, too, such as
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how they pack graphics & animation in the Compton's Encyclopedia for example.
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Thank you all very much in advance - sometimes CIS *IS* worth its on-line time
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charges in gold!! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).
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#: 9556 S15/Hot Topics
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17-Feb-91 22:24:07
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Sb: #9555-High Sierra CDROM fmts
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)
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ummm ... forgot to mention ... I don't have a CDROM drive ... until I can
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afford one or borrow one and get the hardware SCSI interfaces ... I *sure* want
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to pursue this project ...
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#: 9601 S15/Hot Topics
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22-Feb-91 18:24:50
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Sb: #9555-High Sierra CDROM fmts
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Paul - yes, the High Sierra format has been on CDROM forum for years... but
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it's been superceded by the ISO9660 format since then.
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I don't see any reason why SCSI CDROM drives won't physically work on any
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system. And I think MW has a file manager, or one could be written, or for
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that matter, special programs could be written.
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But as must be pointed out to most computer owners, CDROM discs are rarely
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machine-independent. That is, the file system is standard, but the programs
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and data on the disc are _not_ in any "standard" format yet.
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That's why you generally can't swap discs between Macs and IBMs, and you can't
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use them in Amigas, KMAs, CoCos, etc.
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Unless... you create your own, or decode the format of the data on one, or get
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the authoring company to port their retrieval engine (software) to your
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machine. - kev
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#: 9557 S7/Telecommunications
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17-Feb-91 22:30:34
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Sb: #Sterm 1.3 bug found
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: all
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I found where STERM 1.3 messes up, on that fake pop-up window during downloads
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with B+ or QB protocol. When the file being sent is bigger than around 64k.
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From then on, no matter how big or small subsequent downloads are, that pop-up
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window loses all the termcap controls it has read in.
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I've been downloading lots of things tonight, on up to 58k each. Then I found
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a 67k file I wanted, and Sterm started messing up from then on.
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I restarted Sterm and things straightened out until the next 64k/bigger file!
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Hope this will help .. I think I got the sources to Sterm 1.3 somewhere. Might
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try to see what it was poking ... -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).
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#: 9559 S7/Telecommunications
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18-Feb-91 07:14:47
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Sb: #9557-#Sterm 1.3 bug found
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Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Gee. I hope you're right about the >64k error in Sterm. I'm running Sterm
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(OS9 6809 version) on my Atari ST right now. Everything seems to work OK
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except the problem you just mentioned. I tried to send a file that is greater
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than 64K last night and I lost the window too. I thought my OS9 emulator had
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-yet-another-damed-bug- I'll check it out on my COCO next.
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I also noticed and XCom9 problem that is associated with I$Read. XCom9 seems
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to think that the Z bit is set on a successful I$Read call. The code actually
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does a beq ... over the error handler!! Does anyone know if this is a bug in
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XCom9 or that I$Read has another way to return error status????
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Thanks for the very timely message Paul!
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Bob Santy
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#: 9568 S7/Telecommunications
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19-Feb-91 05:26:09
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Sb: #9559-Sterm 1.3 bug found
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X)
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Paul,
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Interesting. Last summer, I uploaded almost 10 Megabytes of files
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to the OSK library using STERM 1.3 on the SYSTEM IV. This was the OSK
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version of STERM. Most files were in the 500K to 600k range. According
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to the STERM transfer stats, the average efficiency was about 76%.
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It still took a long time - about 11 1/2 hours total. I wonder what the
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difference is between the 6809 and 68000 ports - maybe Mark Griffith
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will see these messages and shed some light.
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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#: 9569 S7/Telecommunications
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19-Feb-91 19:15:20
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Sb: #9557-Sterm 1.3 bug found
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Paul,
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You said: >I found where STERM 1.3 messes up, on that fake pop-up window during
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>downloads with B+ or QB protocol. When the file being sent is bigger than
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>around 64k. From then on, no matter how big or small subsequent downloads
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>are, that pop-up window loses all the termcap controls it has read in.
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I have never seen this myself, but others have mentioned it to me in the past.
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Still, Sterm version 1.5 is about ready for release and it has been worked over
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pretty well. There was a bug Carl Kreider found in the B+ protocol code that
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messed up his screen controls, but it only happened when a certain type of
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error occured. This may be what you are referring to. In any case, the latest
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version should correct any bug that might have been in 1.3
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Version 1.5 will be uploaded in the next few weeks.
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Mark
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#: 9558 S1/General Interest
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18-Feb-91 04:32:25
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Sb: #9439-Foreign Question
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Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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We use a PC version of "the" editor on IBM mainframes called ISPF/PDF:
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Interactive System Productivity Facility / Program Development Facility. IBM
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was selling it as EZ-VU Version 1 or 2 for a while, discontinued it (although
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lots of its PC software still "requires" it, go figure), and now they have an
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official ISPF/PDF for PCs with the same acronym.
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Although the mainframe is based on 3270-type terminals, the PC version acts in
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every way the same as the mainframe version, including tab key, home key, PF
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keys (PF1 = Help, PF3 = End, PF7 = Up, PF8 = Down, etc.). And regular ISPF
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commands like '=3.4' to go directly to main menu option 3 then option 4 from
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there, no matter "where" one was at in a panel hiearchy.
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The ISPF part contains the editor & enough support to roll your own selection
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panels & fill-in menus, tremendous built-in power for field picture checking,
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translation of menu number options to commands (e.g. Option 1 = Goto panel
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'name', or Option 2 = execute 'command', etc.).
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My goodness one can come out with an entire on-line full-screen application in
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an hour, with menu hiearchy, help screens, and input validation, etc.
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High-level languages call ISPF subroutines to throw a panel on the screen for
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info to be filled in and passed back to the program. Even the full-screen
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editor provided in ISPF can be called up when needed.
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Then the PDF part gives access to programming languages, dataset lists and
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processing, search for strings in a library of members, compare datasets, etc.,
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that totally isolates one from the rudimentary commands of DOS or TSO or in
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whatever environment it is being run.
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If anyone ports just the ISPF part over to OS9, it'd alone be worth $599.95 in
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my book. The best source code editor bar none. No reason why it can't be
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ported, except the legal hassles of course. I could try getting the OEM
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company's name & address if you'd like it.
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Better stop, might start selling PCs! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464)
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#: 9560 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Feb-91 08:56:14
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Sb: #9527-OSK Clib.l Order
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
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No, I don't have lharc. Yes, I would like a working version. It is one of the
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things on the list. - Carl
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#: 9561 S7/Telecommunications
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18-Feb-91 10:20:35
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Sb: #9475-terminal blues
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Fm: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Good luck; connectors are fairly cheap, though. They go for about a buck here
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in Los Angeles -- if they're the same where you are, it might be better just to
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get a couple fresh connectors and dink with those instead.
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#: 9562 S5/OS9 Users Group
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18-Feb-91 12:40:19
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Sb: #OS9 emulator
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Fm: Matthew J. Snyder 71450,2606
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To: All
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I'm doing a project for an embedded system that runs OS9, and I would like to
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do most of the programming on my Macintosh. Does anyone know of an OS9 system
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that runs on the Mac?
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-Matt
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 9565 S5/OS9 Users Group
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18-Feb-91 13:22:07
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Sb: #9562-OS9 emulator
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Matthew J. Snyder 71450,2606 (X)
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Matt -
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Yup... there's a MAC port of OS9, but it (sigh) runs as an app under the MAC os
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(I'm told). I believe the company is called Ultra Science (no notes handy..
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sorry). If someone here can't provide more detail toggle me, and I'll dig up
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the scoop...
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Ah - you're in luck:
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Gibbs Laboratory
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P.O. Box 558
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1624 Wilmette Ave.
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Wilmette, Illinois
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Pete
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#: 9570 S6/Applications
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20-Feb-91 00:39:41
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Sb: #SDISK3
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Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
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To: all
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Does anybody use SDISK3. I am having some problems with it. DP Johnson wasn't
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able to help me. TC
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#: 9575 S6/Applications
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20-Feb-91 19:34:17
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Sb: #9570-#SDISK3
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 (X)
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I use sdisk3, with a Sardis Tech DMC controller. Please describe the problems
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you're having.
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#: 9584 S6/Applications
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21-Feb-91 20:59:36
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Sb: #9575-#SDISK3
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Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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When I try to read any floppies, I get numerous errors. I know the drives are
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ok because when I use cc3disk I don't get any errors. The errors I get are 244,
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243, etc. Aas well as when I try to do a cd to /d0, it (my shell prompt) tells
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me I am still on my hard disk. I didn't do the normall installation beacause
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when they prompt you to insert your system disk, I got error 216, and I wasn't
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sure of what they were looking for. Also I dint boot off my original disk (0s9
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master) like the docs said because I have patched a lot of modules to get where
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I am today. Yea, I know that may be the trouble, but the man at Granit
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Computers (who sold me sdisk3) said If I knew how to update my bootfile (i used
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ezgen, great program) it should be ok. DOo you know if the device desccriptors
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need to be tweeked ? I have 2 dsdd 40 track floppies, and used descgenl2 to
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create them. By the way, the modbuster program doesn't seem to work like it
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used to. I used to be able to split merged files apart using it, but now it
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deletes all the files except the one I named on the command line (modbuster
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shell). The only thing left was shell, and there were no utilities merged with
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it. Do you know of any other ways to split up merged files ? I even called DP
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johnson and he suggested rearranging my boot file order. That was disproved a
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while ago by Kevin or somebody , right ? Besides If not, where do I need to
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position the sdisk driver in the bootfile ? It had something to do with the
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beginning of an 8k block. Chris Burke knows this stuff pretty good, but I'v
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bugged him to many times as it is for other peoples problems (naminlgy disto
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Thanx 4 da help. TC
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#: 9587 S6/Applications
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21-Feb-91 21:41:17
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Sb: #9584-SDISK3
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 (X)
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Device descriptors suitable for cc3disk won't work with sdisk3, of course, but
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you say that you used descgenl2 to create descriptors, so I wouldn't think that
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should be the problem.
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Not having used modbuster, I don't know what to tell you about that.
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Kevin Darling has, I think, demonstrated that the bootfile order problem is a
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hardware problem, not an OS-9 problem, but that doesn't make it any less
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obnoxious if your hardware has the problem. Grab the file that he put up that
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talks about it--I think it has recommendations, and I don't remember the stuff
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that is suggested for folks who have the problem.
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#: 9616 S6/Applications
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24-Feb-91 00:08:10
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Sb: #9570-#SDISK3
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Fm: W K Riess 71071,3002
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To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 (X)
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The problem is definately with the boot order bug. Simply make Sdisk3 the
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second module in your boot file followed by the device descriptors (/D0, etc.).
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I used to have the some problem setting up boot disks for others, and this has
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provided a solution is every case. I use the Sardis Technologies no-hault
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controller, and I find that I can boot up with any order I care to use. It
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seems that the boot order bug only exists on the hault type controllers.
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Bill
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#: 9627 S6/Applications
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26-Feb-91 00:14:46
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Sb: #9616-SDISK3
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Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
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To: W K Riess 71071,3002
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Bill I have an SCII and you are telling me it's a boot order bug, but at the
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same time you say that the boot order bug only happens on halt type
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controllers. I'm confused, but I'll try using your info on putting sdisk3 as
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the second module. I used to have the boot problem years ago before I bough my
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SCII or sdisk3. Once I got that fixed I haven't had a boot problem even with
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all the patches that are out there. Now I buy one driver, put it in my boot
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file and can't hardly access my floppies. Talk about recurring problems. I'll
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let you know waht happens. Thanx TC
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#: 9572 S15/Hot Topics
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20-Feb-91 13:05:55
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Sb: #Market survey
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: sysop (X)
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I'd like to post the following message on this forum and the COCO forum.
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Any problem?????
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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Message to be posted follows:
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TO : All
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SUBJECT : Market survey
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We have received several inquiries re providing a plug-in 6809 card for
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the SYSTEM IV. This would be a redesign of the 6809 board Peripheral
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Technologies sold many years ago. Circuit changes would be made to
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incorporate the 'gime' chip and the Tandy ROM thereby providing (we hope)
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complete compatibility with the COCO3. The board could support an
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existing CM8 monitor or allow a VGA card/monitor in the SYSTEM IV to be
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used in place of the CM8. I/O would use the existing SYSTEM IV capabilites
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including the hard disk(s).
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The board would be physically redesigned so it could plug into a standard
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PC/XT slot. In addition, power and keyboard connectors can be incorporated
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to permit stand-alone operation.
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An adapter which would fit into one of the drive spaces could be provided
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to permit use of ROM PAKS.
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We have not started this project because we wanted your input on the
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desirability of such a product.
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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#: 9580 S15/Hot Topics
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21-Feb-91 07:39:03
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Sb: #9572-#Market survey
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Ed,
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Of course Wayne has the final say on these things, but anticipating no
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problems, I'm gonna move this out of the General section and over to the more
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appropriate Hot Topics area.
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Steve
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#: 9605 S15/Hot Topics
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22-Feb-91 23:01:42
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Sb: #9580-Market survey
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Good 'nuff.. and I have no problem with it.
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Wayne
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#: 9573 S1/General Interest
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20-Feb-91 16:39:13
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Sb: #9460-LvlII Configuration???
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Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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yep, that's it. "/d0" is what config is looking for, "d0" it doesn't
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understand. had that problem myself when i first got into OS/9
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"KMA-68!!"
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>>>>>S S<<<<<
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#: 9574 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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20-Feb-91 19:15:34
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Sb: #DeskMate artifacting
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Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
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To: All
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I just got deskmate at a big discount from a shrewd RS manager. It looks like
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fun, but uses artifacted colors for a lot of stuff. I've got an RGB monitor.
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Any ideas on how to get something more that black, white, and gray? I have the
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same problem with D.L. LOGO, a wonderful program, but inadequate without the
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color potential. I'm beginning to think I'll have to get a TV onto my already
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overcrowded CoCo desk.
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Rex
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#: 9577 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 01:44:41
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Sb: #9574-#DeskMate artifacting
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
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Rex -
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The typical 'best' solution to the problem is to spring for a Magnavox
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8CM515.... It's both analog RGB and composite color. This way, you can use the
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composite mode connected to the Coco3's video out jack for artifacted stuff.
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Other than that, a TV or additional monitor is probably in the cards for you.
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Pete
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#: 9581 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 10:16:55
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Sb: #9577-#DeskMate artifacting
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Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete,
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How much is this Magnavox and where do I get it?
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Rex
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#: 9582 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 13:04:28
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Sb: #9581-DeskMate artifacting
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
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Ballpark $275. Howard Medical used to sell them, but other cocoists could
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probably give some other ideas on possible vendors.
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Pete
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#: 9583 S9/Utilities
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21-Feb-91 18:07:33
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Sb: #SPL spooler
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Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
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To: ALL
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I have a couple of questions regarding Carl Kreider's SPL print
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spooling package.
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1. This is a portion of my startup file:
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dmode /r0 sct=00c0
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iniz r0
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mkdir /r0/spl
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copy /dd/sys/splq /r0/spl/splq
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splman -p1=/p -w1=139 -t1=15 -o1=-a&
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If the printer happens to be off-line during startup, the program
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never realizes the printer is available at some point later on. The
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only way to get a print job started is to do a:
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splstat -p1=/p
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Is there a way to circumvent or fix this feature?
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I would like to make the system as seamless as possible for my wife!
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2. Even though my startup file explicitly says to NOT add LFs,
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I still get extra spacing between lines unless I actually
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use the 'a' switch with spl (like LIST FILENAME ! SPL -a). Is this
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a feature or a bug?
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Any and all answers are appreciated. Other than that, its a great
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package.
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Hugo
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71211,3662
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Delphi: MRGOOD
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#: 9591 S9/Utilities
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22-Feb-91 15:34:07
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Sb: #9583-#SPL spooler
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
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Hugo -
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It's been a bit since I mucked with SPL, and I don't recall the printer being
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offline causing a problem (note: I was running it on a 6809 Gimix).
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On the linefeeds, check:
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a) Is the descriptor set for -lf?
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b) Is thr printer set to add LF's to CR's? Some Tandy printers default
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to this mode.
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Both a and b are trivial to fix...
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Back to the offline printer.... No print stuff should be sent until splman
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spawns splprt. There are no splprt's hanging around, are there? Also - what's
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your parallel port setup? Lastly... I used to use
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the /r0/SPL directory (it'll check /r0/spl or /dd/spl)....
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Pete
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#: 9594 S9/Utilities
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22-Feb-91 18:09:58
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Sb: #9591-#SPL spooler
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Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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RE: SPL problems
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The printer descriptor is set for -LF. So that's OK. Besides, if I Just send an
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ascii file to the printer, it comes out just fine (no extra linefeeds). I have
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a serial connection to a DMP130 not parallel. But I don't think that should
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make a difference.
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If you read my original message, the problem with linefeeds really seems to be
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with an SPL related module. From my startup file, I specifically set the
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autolf feature off (-o1=-a).
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As far as the printer being available, what happens is, if I start up the
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computer with the printer off, and then turn the printer on a little while
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later, SPL (or SPLMAN) never recognizes that the printer has become available.
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So I send a file to print and nothing happens unless I specifically issue the
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command SPLSTAT -p1=/p. Then printing starts within seconds.
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Thanks for your response. Hope you can shed some light!
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Hugo
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#: 9600 S9/Utilities
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22-Feb-91 18:24:34
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Sb: #9594-#SPL spooler
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
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If you send an ASCII file to the printer, they are only terminated with CR's at
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the end of line. If your printer were setup not to add linefeeds, then your
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lines would over type each other. Try this:
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1) Set up the printer descriptor to ADD line feeds
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2) Turn auto-LF off in the printer (I used to use a display command
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in my folks' DMP105 to achieve this.. if you have a dip switch, all
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the better).
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This way, you have full software control over linefeeds... see if that works
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better.
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Pete
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#: 9614 S9/Utilities
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23-Feb-91 18:13:39
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Sb: #9600-SPL spooler
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Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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OK, I'll try your suggestion and see what happens. Thanks!
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Hugo
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#: 9593 S9/Utilities
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22-Feb-91 18:07:59
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Sb: #9583-#SPL spooler
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
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Hugo,
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This is the procedure I use to start up splman:
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cx /dd/cmds
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if -d /R/SPL
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murder -p SplMan
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else
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mkdir /R/SPL
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endif
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echo \nStarting Printer Spooler (SplMan)
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start $$ splman -p1=/P -t1=10 -w1=135 -o1=a
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---
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Ignore the "start $$" stuff, it just makes sure that the splman
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procedure has no parent process. This works for me. Make sure that
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whatever you are using to pipe stuff to spl doesn't insert line feeds,
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they will not be stripped (this may be your problem).
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Bill
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#: 9595 S9/Utilities
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22-Feb-91 18:13:43
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Sb: #9593-SPL spooler
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Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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You see, the problem is even if I set options such that LFs are not added, SPL
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adds LFs even though the file doesn't have any.
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See my message to Pete Lyall regarding printer availability "problems."
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Thanks for the reply!
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Hugo
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#: 9585 S6/Applications
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21-Feb-91 21:07:59
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Sb: Phbook11
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Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
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To: 76176,1216
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Brian I would like to say again that pbook11 is a great program. (keep your
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eyes open on your mailbox) I left a mesage on your bbs, but I discoverd another
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problem after I hung up. If I try to dial a # that is not in my area code, the
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program does not send a 1 before the area code. I found this out by dumb luck
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because I had osterm running in another window, and for some reason all the
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dialer strings your program sent out were echoed into osterm, as well as going
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to the modem. Neat way of debugging ! Im positive that the location was set for
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long distance
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I assumed that this is what would insert a 1 or not. Anyway, it's a great way
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of keeping necessary info consolidated. It would be nice to be able to edit
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certain unused fields to contain more comments like a handle for delphi, and
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user Id for cis. Whenever I try to edit he comment field the old data gets
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overwritten. THANX. Ive been looking for this program for a long time. TC
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#: 9586 S7/Telecommunications
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21-Feb-91 21:18:19
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Sb: OSTERM
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Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
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To: all
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I'm having problems with osterm's macros. I had them all set up to log into cis
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and then take me to the os9 section, but now when I try to edit the macro,
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there is nothing there. Ok maybe the file got hosed, but I just put it in the
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learn mode and still there was nothing there. Whats happening, I I going crazy
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or what? TC
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#: 9588 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Feb-91 21:49:37
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Sb: #Egads! Can't signal!
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: all
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I am looking for ideas to work around a "feature" of OSK device drivers. When a
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process is in a write() and it gets blocked (flow control, other end of pipe
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not read()ing, whatever), it is not possible to send signals other than SIGKILL
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(which it can't catch) to that process until it wakes up from the blocked
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write(). Of course, for read(), one can do _gs_rdy() beforehand to make sure
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there is something there to read() before actually doing it. What about
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write()? Any ideas?
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FWIW: the block occurs on a write to /pipe, an unnamed pipe. I have presently
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worked around it with something like:
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while(1){
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if(_gs_rdy(path)
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read(path,&buf,sizeof(buf);
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}
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After I send it a SIGHUP, since all I want it to do is die gracefully.
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BUT: sometimes it might be nice to signal a blocked process to stop write()ing
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and do something else.
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I hope my question is clear. Microware Technical Support had no general answer
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(except that, in some cases, you know the size of the device's buffer, and you
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can do _gs_rdy() on it and subtract to get the amount of buffer left).
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Thanks.
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Mark
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#: 9596 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Feb-91 18:22:51
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Sb: #9588-#Egads! Can't signal!
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
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Mark -
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Hmmm. You're right... even nice drivers only return from the midst of I/O if
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the process has been Condemned by a deadly signal.
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In most cases, you want it that way, of course.
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One workaround is to fork off a tiny process to do the writes... communicating
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via a data module buffer, for instance. The main process can deal with the
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non-deadly signals.
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In effect, you have to implement asynchronous I/O operations yourself. Hope
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this gives some ideas. ? - kev
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#: 9623 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Feb-91 08:52:21
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Sb: #9596-Egads! Can't signal!
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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The idea of a child to do only i/o hadn't struck me. Since we have ported Unix
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message queues for our project, it could be pretty easy in some instances.
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Thanks for the suggestion!
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We wrote our own Packet File Manager (not pkman) for our block-serial protocol
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conversion work and specifically wrote our drivers to allow signals up to 15
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(SIGTERM).
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Thanks again.
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Mark
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#: 9589 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Feb-91 23:31:20
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Sb: #GFX2
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Fm: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
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To: All
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I have been working on a program based on the new GFX2 module and the MVFINANCE
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program from, I think MAY 90 Rainbow. What I would like to be able to do is
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after running the program, end it, either with the mouse by clicking on close
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or hitting break. When I try to load a new program and run it, or rerun the
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existing one, I get an error 184. Is ther a way to kill the window, as part of
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the procedure so that I could edit the source, in an other window, and the
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clear back to basic09, whcih was aded at startup, per Dale Puckett, and then
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load the new or revised procedure into BASIC09 and run it. Now I have to
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reboot. Perhaps, what I want should be called "Self-resetting program code."
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What I would like to do is enter a program, edit it, rerun run with the
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changes, do additional editting, rerun it, etc., without rebooting
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or having to reload basic09. Thank you for your replies. The Rev. Wayne C. Paul
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PS> I am a monk in an order known as the Community of St. Joseph the Worker.
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(CSJW) In religious life, I am known as Brother Jeremy, CSJW. That is the way I
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appear on various BBS and Delphi. If you make iot to Rainbowfest in Chicago, I
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will be the monk in the cinnamon brown habit (ST. Joseph's color) with an
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unbleached white scapular. [Not that I think Rainbowfest will exactly be
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crawling with Monks.] Hope to see you all there. -Jeremy, CSJW.
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#: 9597 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Feb-91 18:23:07
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Sb: #9589-#GFX2
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142 (X)
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Jeremy -
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Do you mean error 184, or 194? (is there a 184?).
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Do you use any gfx buffers? Your program needs to reset everything at the
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beginning, so that anything left over from before gets killed.
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A hint also... do an SS_WnSet (run wnset?) to a type of 00 first. That makes
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sure that everything is cleared out from previous wnset commands.
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best - kev
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#: 9604 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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22-Feb-91 23:00:52
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Sb: #9597-#GFX2
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Fm: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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It is a 184 - "window already defined" error.
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#: 9633 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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26-Feb-91 19:13:44
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Sb: #9604-GFX2
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
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Why don't you post the first few lines of your program... the part where it
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does any DWSet's... if it does. That'll tell us what to advise. thx!
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#: 9590 S7/Telecommunications
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22-Feb-91 12:15:24
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Sb: #Deskmate Telecom
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Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
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To: All
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I recently bought Deskmate at a great price and thought I'd give it a try with
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telecommunications. The docs say that telecommunications are accomplished
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through RS232 Pak and a standard modem. I have the Modem pak but no RS232 Pak.
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Can I still do use Deskmate Telecom?
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Rex
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#: 9592 S7/Telecommunications
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22-Feb-91 18:07:53
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Sb: #9590-#Deskmate Telecom
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
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Rex
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Yes, you can use a modempak with DeskMate . I'm not sure exactly how to change
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the DM configuration, but change /T2 to /M1, and it should work. Maybe someone
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else (hey Dan!) will come up with exactly how to change it. You will also want
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to grab DM3.TXT and DMHELP.AR from LIB 10 for some pointers on DM3 operation.
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There are some other deskmate files in LIB 10, try BRO/KEY:DESK* to check them
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out.
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Bill
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#: 9606 S7/Telecommunications
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23-Feb-91 08:54:55
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Sb: #9592-Deskmate Telecom
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Changing the path to the modem is easy. In the configuration menu you have to
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specify which device descriptor you are using.
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#: 9607 S7/Telecommunications
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23-Feb-91 11:23:57
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Sb: #9592-#Deskmate Telecom
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Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill,
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Thanks for the help and suggestions. I once knew this, but isn't a ".AR" file
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some kind of archive, and won't I need some program to unarchive it?
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Rex
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#: 9628 S7/Telecommunications
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26-Feb-91 07:03:32
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Sb: #9607-Deskmate Telecom
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
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Rex,
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You'll need to download AR09.BIN in LIB 9. Documentation is in AR.DOC. Rename
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AR09.BIN as "ar", move/copy it to your exec directory, and make sure to set the
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execution attributes (attr ar e pe).
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Bill
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#: 9602 S4/MIDI and Music
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22-Feb-91 18:28:49
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Sb: MIDI File code
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
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Paul -
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Got hold of Tim Thompson... he said 'go ahead', but preferred that it be
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giveware rather than shareware, and definitely not commercial.
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Pete
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#: 9603 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Feb-91 22:59:57
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Sb: #9523-#model 16
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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No, it wasn't.
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Wayne
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#: 9615 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Feb-91 20:18:28
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Sb: #9603-model 16
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Thanks...that is a same since there must be a bunch of 16s out there gathering
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dust....
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#: 9609 S5/OS9 Users Group
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23-Feb-91 11:44:03
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Sb: #go.ar
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: [F] Mike 76703,2013 (X)
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I tried to download go.ar from DL5 and found that it had been put offline.
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Could you put it back on the service long enough for me to grab it.
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Thanks.
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#: 9611 S5/OS9 Users Group
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23-Feb-91 12:44:54
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Sb: #9609-go.ar
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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Ken,
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I've forwarded your request for go.ar to our offline archive keeper. Hang
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tight!
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Steve
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#: 9620 S5/OS9 Users Group
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25-Feb-91 02:58:58
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Sb: #9609-go.ar
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Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
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To: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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Ken, it'll be back in Lib 5 in just a few moments.
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#: 9612 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Feb-91 16:12:54
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Sb: #Write IBM Disks?
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Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
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To: All
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How can I transfer some ASCI files I have on OS9 disks to MSDOS? I tried
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PCREAD/WRITE but that only garbles my data on the MSDOS floppy. Is there
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another CHEAP way? Thanks!
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Bill Henderson
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#: 9613 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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23-Feb-91 17:13:08
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Sb: #9612-#Write IBM Disks?
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Bill Henderson 72215,341 (X)
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The *real* quick and dirty way would be to ship them across a serial connection
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via Kermit. Kermit handles the bonzo end of line differences between systems
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(MS-DOS uses CRLF, OS-9 uses CR). If that's possible, and not expensive (e.g.
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a long distance phone call to the MS-DOS system :-), I'd say give it a shot.
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#: 9624 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Feb-91 14:43:00
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Sb: #9613-Write IBM Disks?
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Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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James,
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Thanks for the idea on using Kermit.
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#: 9617 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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24-Feb-91 02:19:38
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Sb: #9612-#Write IBM Disks?
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: Bill Henderson 72215,341 (X)
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Bill, I had similar problems a long time ago doing it your way. The solution is
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to grab the PCDOS utility from one of the libs here (don't know which off hand)
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and to buy SDISK3 to replace your disk driver. After that, all is well and it
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never misses a byte. By the way, PCDOS also adds LF's after CR's to make text
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files compatible with MSDOS, and strips them when you go the other way. I use
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it often: no problems.
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#: 9625 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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25-Feb-91 14:44:14
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Sb: #9617-Write IBM Disks?
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Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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Ian,
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I have Sdisk for Level 1; I may try that method to convert stuff. Thanks for
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the idea.
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Bill
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#: 9619 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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25-Feb-91 00:26:24
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Sb: Micro Cornucopia
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Fm: Matthew J. Snyder 71450,2606
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To: All
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This seems like a likely enough place to ask this question. I'd like to
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download some source code from an old issue of Micro C. Now that Micro C has
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closed down, does anyone have any idea where I might find the source code?
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-Matt
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#: 9632 S1/General Interest
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26-Feb-91 18:33:55
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Sb: 80386
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Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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Press <CR> !> |