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#: 4438 S7/Telecommunications
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17-Jun-90 11:47:32
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Sb: #4437-#View
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve,
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Not to mention what it would have done to Al's message! Look at all those
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"#:"s! There are just some basic assumptions that have to be made in order for
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offline message processing to work. The possible combinations of scrambled data
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boggle the mind, and the actual messages themselves can contain confusing
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information, even TAPCIS will barf on a message within a message.
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It does help to be a little flexible, though, maybe the scan routine in view
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can be modified to ignore leading blanks when searching for "#:".
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Bill
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#: 4445 S7/Telecommunications
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17-Jun-90 18:28:58
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Sb: #4438-View
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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<thunk>
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Perfect example!
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I recall thread upon thread of automated folks cringing at phrases such as _off
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at_ being part of message text. :-)
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I've played with View a bit, but I still do most of my stuff interactively.
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Seems more personal, I suppose. I'm gonna have to look to the automated stuff
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just from a time saving standpoint.
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It's all I can do to keep up with what few forums I visit now. And there's
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always something new to take a look at here!
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Steve
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#: 4485 S7/Telecommunications
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18-Jun-90 23:28:41
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Sb: #4432-View
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Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
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To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X)
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~ Al;
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Try this :
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comment out the line just AFTER "READ #inpath, i$" and just before or after it
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add this line :
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"IF SUBS R(prompt1,i$) > 0 OR LEFT$(i$,L2)=prompt2 THEN"
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and see if this works for you.
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It would seem that you're getting line noise or other stray chars. in your
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data stream. Although this MIGHT cause you to miss a occasional message, the
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program should re-synch after reading the next message header. Yours is the
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first report that I've had on this problem, so I'm at a bit of a loss right
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now.
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The problem with this fixtis that the program will probably not be able to
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pick up the message number which sets the reply flag, and it won't allow you to
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reply to the message.
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I'm working on the program right now, and will keep your problem in mind and
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try to incorporate a more positive method of ID'ing the message start.
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...Jim
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#: 4439 S4/MIDI and Music
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17-Jun-90 11:54:40
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Sb: #4378-#MORE MUSIC
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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4.6.1 is the latest one that's out there. 4.6.2 is beiong tested by one person.
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I'm the author so I'm slogging thru what could be called 4.6.3. If you have
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4.6.1 you're not missing much, or even 4.6.0. 4.6.0 is quite a bit more
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powerful than 4.5.0 tho. --mike k
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#: 4478 S4/MIDI and Music
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18-Jun-90 22:13:53
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Sb: #4439-#MORE MUSIC
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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I have 4.6.0 how do i get an upgrade?
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#: 4567 S4/MIDI and Music
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22-Jun-90 21:59:58
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Sb: #4478-#MORE MUSIC
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Well you'd have to call or write Ed at 2nd City SW and beg a bit. Actually,
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4.6.1 isn't that much an improvment over 4.6.0. It does fix bugs in Part Copy
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and saving file on exit, so if you use Part Copy a lot, you have grounds for
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asking. A much more serious upgrade is coming soon. --mike k
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#: 4577 S4/MIDI and Music
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23-Jun-90 08:43:47
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Sb: #4567-MORE MUSIC
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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How soon will that be?
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#: 4440 S15/Hot Topics
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17-Jun-90 11:56:38
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Sb: #4380-oh THAT Darn Computer
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
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He he, my eyes are pretty weird too. Just have to wait and "see" for myself.
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I know some Amigoids really complain of headaches and all sorts of gripes,
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while others say they hardly notice flicker.
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Maybe humans are like Coco 3s -- some have sparklies and BLOBs, some
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don't....grin.
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#: 4443 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 13:59:32
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Sb: #Drive stepping
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Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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To: all
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Why, exactly, does os9 use the stepper motor in the drives much more than the
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familar Disk Basic Dos system. I am getting familar with os9 and am finally
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understanding it a little better. It seems to take a lot longer to load
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programs in because of the searching of the step motor. Would a hard drive step
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just as much? thanks, Denise
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#: 4446 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 18:32:42
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Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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If information one needs isn't on the disk track the head currently is on, then
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one has to move the head (i.e. seek, which on floppies uses the stepper motor).
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Not much that an operating system can do to get around that, save for keeping
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information in memory in one of several ways:
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1. have it in ROM (e.g. DECB, all of whose commands are in ROM) 2. cache it (a
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la Sardis Tech and at least some other "no-halt" controllers) 3. explicitly
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load it (using the OS-9 load command to snarf stuff you use a lot into RAM so
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that it doesn't have to get it from the disk every time)
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In my startup file, I have a line that reads "load /dd/cmds/misc.utils", and I
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have in that file the various commands that I have found that I use a lot.
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That can speed things up quite a bit. Give it a try.
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#: 4449 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 18:36:42
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Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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Denise,
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Os9 is very disk intensive ... that's why folks insist on a two drive system as
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a mere minimum, then a hard drive as soon as possible. If money's too tight for
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one of those ... make good use of a ramdisk.
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Without anything being loaded into memory, a simple set of commands to do
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nothing but call up a directory, find a file then load it will hit the disk
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many times.
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Lessee ... first it gotta find DIR ..then it's gotta find LOAD then it can go
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after the file you need. You can cut down a lot of this by merging a lot of
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your more frequently used commands/utilitys and loading them into memory.
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Working from the ramdisk also helps in this way.
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It's a trade off, tho .. less memory for instant access.
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Steve
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#: 4456 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 20:28:26
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Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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Denise -
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One other item as well.... Coco Disk Basic allocated the disk into fewer,
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larger chunks (68 all total, each being 9 sectors long). While it was much less
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prone to having file parts scattered all over the disk, you could only have a
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maximum of 68 files on the disk (frequently less). Also, even the smallest
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Basic program used 9 sectors.
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Pete
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#: 4459 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 20:32:48
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Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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It depends on what you're doing. Programs seem to take a little longer to load,
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often because of the CRC checking being done to make sure it's a good program
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load.
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If you don't have some commands in memory (like list or load or dir), then
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using those ("list /d1/file") would seem to move the disk around more because
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first List must be loaded and then the target file accessed.
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Otherwise, no, you really shouldn't see much diff. A hard disk is so much
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faster that you won't notice stepping around that much, btw.
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Hmmm. Got an example or two of something which seems to step the motor more?
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#: 4444 S1/General Interest
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17-Jun-90 18:27:46
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Sb: #4244-#Hard Drive Blues
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Fm: Art Doyle 71565,262
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi Kev!
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I don't really know what happened [grin] except that I was adding and/or
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changing things again. This thing works fine - if I would just leave it
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alone./.But you don't have this problem.
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Thirty seven directories and 18 files are in my root directory. All seems to
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behave normally save that 60,000 sector reduction in diskspace. Bob Santy could
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probably fix this mess in 2 minutes, but I'vee simply got to learn how to
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extricate myself solo from these problems.
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The dir e when performed on the root directory, gives no evidence of an
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inflated file...Must I follow each trail to its end to find the problem file
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with 'dir' or is there a shortcut????
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Art
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#: 4457 S1/General Interest
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17-Jun-90 20:28:39
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Sb: #4444-Hard Drive Blues
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Art Doyle 71565,262 (X)
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Art - maybe not (following trails). Usually a dcheck can point out all the
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"sectors allocated but not in file structure" sectors, which can then be given
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back to the disk.
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But that assumes that dcheck will work, and with 55 file/dirs in your root, it
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may not. Depends. Hmmm.
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Dumping the disk raw and checking the allocation bitmap is the thing I'd do
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first... see if the end of the bitmap has been used for some reason. Or check
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LSN 0 and see if the bitmap size info has become corrupted for some reason. You
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haven't changed the descriptor lately, have you?
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#: 4447 S7/Telecommunications
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17-Jun-90 18:32:56
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Sb: #UUCP Beta testers wanted
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: All
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Call for UUCP beta testers:
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The OS9 UUCP port is nearing completion. To test the package as much as
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possible, additional testers are needed. Anyone wishing to become a beta
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tester please read the following requirements:
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1. You must have access to a UUCP site to test file transfers.
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You also must be able to establish a UUCP login account on this
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system, Either setting it up yourself or getting the system
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administrator to do it for you.
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2. You must have dial-in access to your OS9 system and you must
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have a modem setup for auto-answer available at least during
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the night to receive UUCP calls.
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3. You must be able to make some long distance phone calls, at least
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during the night, to call other UUCP testers. The number of calls
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you are willing to make depends on how much money you can afford.
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You WILL NOT be required to make lots of calls (perhaps one or two
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a week).
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4. You must have Pete Lyall's CRON utility, or be able to download it
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from here and implement it on your OS9 system.
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5. You must be willing and able to replace any existing login system
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with one of two new systems to have UUCP work correctly.
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6. You must have a mail utility, or be willing to install one of
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several available on your system.
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8. You SHOULD have a hard disk drive, but this is not required. A
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floppy disk system must be able to hold all the UUCP files. A
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system using 720K disks should be fine, but a 360K system with
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only one drive will not. In any case, a floppy based system may
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not be fast enough.
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9. You SHOULD have the OS9 C compiler and know enough about C programming
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to be able to make minor changes if needed. However, those without
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the compiler can still be a tester, but you'll have to settle for
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the defaults built into the UUCP package.
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10. You must be able to work with myself and the other testers. Anyone
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just looking for an advance copy of the port need not reply. Source
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code will only be given out to those showing an express need.
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If you need more information, post a message here, in E-Mail, or call me
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#: 4550 S7/Telecommunications
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21-Jun-90 14:43:49
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Sb: #4447-#UUCP Beta testers wanted
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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I am interested in beta-testing your UUCP software. I have a UUCP node
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locally, and meet all of your other requirements easily. I am also still
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waiting to hear if I can obtain a copy of the source...
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Thanks, StG
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#: 4592 S7/Telecommunications
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24-Jun-90 08:04:37
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Sb: #4550-UUCP Beta testers wanted
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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Scott,
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I'm not sure you would want to test the uucp port since it will require one of
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two different login packages which are probably much different then yours, as
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well as a different mailer. In any case, I'll put you on the list.
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As far as getting source code for the 'g' protocol stuff, I'd like to know
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exactly what you plan on doing with it. I really don't want to see it used in
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someone elses commercial package. Know what I mean?
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Mark
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#: 4448 S7/Telecommunications
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17-Jun-90 18:34:22
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Sb: UUCP Beta testers needed
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: All
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UUCP Beta testers:
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My last message was cut off at the end. It was supposed to read:
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call me at home in the evening from 6 PM to 11 PM at 904-736-1535.
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Mark
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#: 4450 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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17-Jun-90 18:42:28
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Sb: #serial ports
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: 76576,3312 (X)
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Hi Ed,
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You can rest easy now because after I reconfigured my baud rate to 2400
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and swapped pins 8,20 things worked great. Evidently there is a mistake in
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Fred's new manual.
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#: 4491 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jun-90 04:08:14
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Sb: #4450-serial ports
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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Hi Scott!
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Just got my board - haven't installed it yet.
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I looked at the manual - from what I can tell, Fred has simply changed his
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designations. What was called 'DTR' he now calls 'CTS'. The connections are
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the same as before (by the book).
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Ed
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#: 4451 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 18:52:46
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Sb: #palette
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Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
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To: 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin;
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Iv'e got a question on changing the colors on bootup. Iv'e done a bit of
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changing on the /TERM, and /W discriptors already. Things like changing my
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bootup colors'to yellow on blue, and changing /W2 into a hardware text window.
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Now what needs to be done, is to change palettes on bootup. What I would like
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to do is do a patch to boot up on a (display 1b 31 09 08), without,doing the
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command line.
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Am I getting across what I want?
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example:
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I used to have wcreat /w2 -s=2 etc.. Then went to the manual and modpatched the
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bytes so /w2 is a -s=2 ect. So now it just gets iniz, shell ia. Necessary?
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Maybe not, but I knew it could be done.
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>Lute<
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P.S. I have posted this on the Hayes system too, you only need answer once.
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#: 4467 S10/Tandy CoCo
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18-Jun-90 14:29:28
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Sb: #4451-#palette
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
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Lute -
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I think I see what you mean. First, I might mention that WMODE.AR here in Lib
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10 lets you "xmode" your window descriptors to be of any type, size and default
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palette numbers... and I recommend that everyone wmode's all the descriptors to
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80x24 type 2 windows so that "program <>>>/w&" works okay. You've done that by
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hand, but wmode is easier (and then people can just save those out to disk and
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make a new os9boot of course).
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Anyway.. ok, you want to change the default palette values, I think. SS.DfPal
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can be used for that, or you can actually modify Grfint/Windint's default
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internal tables. Look around offset $2F2 or $2F3 in whichever of those you use
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for this sequence of values:
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$3F,$09,$00,$12,$24,$36,$2D,$1B (pals 0-7)
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$3F,$09,$00,$12,$24,$36,$2D,$1B (pals 8-15)
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Those are the default 16 palette values for pals 0-15 (they repeat as you can
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see for 0-7 and 8-15). The colors are White, Blue, Black, Green, Red, Yellow,
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Magenta, and Cyan. You can change them to whatever you wish, altho some
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programs may assume the original default colors. - kev
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#: 4529 S10/Tandy CoCo
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20-Jun-90 21:44:10
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Sb: #4467-palette
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Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin:
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That's what I was looking for.
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I saw that SS.dfpal and I thought it should work, but I am somewhat ignorant in
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much of the world of OS-9, and have no idea what it is or how to get it to
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work. Once I get those down, I'll probably be totally out of control.
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Thanks much for the help.
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>Lute<
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#: 4452 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 19:02:07
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Sb: #4430-#SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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Had Winfo, forgot that it gets the screen location. Thanks for the point
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to Sprint - it will do the trick for me. Zack Sessions pointed out that
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use of such a method will make my Sculptor code un-portable, which at the
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present time is OK as I am going to use the Screen Print Function to dump
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screens for a SCULPTOR tutorial for the COCO3. Just can't stand MPD's
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manual. Thanks again for the quick help.
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John
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#: 4458 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 20:32:11
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Sb: #4452-#SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
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PS: one thing about Sprint, in case you run into it (it bit me a few times):
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When it saves the underscore "_" char, it uses the coco version vs the normal
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ascii version. So be careful snapping screens and then using them in say, an
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asm source file... errors! <grin> Gets me once in a while.
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#: 4482 S10/Tandy CoCo
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18-Jun-90 22:28:10
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Sb: #4458-#SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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Thanks much for the tip... I'll watch out for that one.. BTW the program
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works tremendously! Ron did a fine job on it. And he credits you for the
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pointers etc that he got from you. Thats what I like about this place,
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people helping people get the most out of their systems. John
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#: 4483 S10/Tandy CoCo
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18-Jun-90 22:37:24
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Sb: #4482-#SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
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Any time, John. BTW, I admit to loading in Sprint/winfo on bootup these days, I
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use it so much <grin>. Great for snarfing a msg off my terminal screen when I
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forget to turn on buffer capture.
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#: 4494 S10/Tandy CoCo
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19-Jun-90 18:48:32
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Sb: #4483-SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Hmmmm... Now you're giving me ideas... I am learning a lot looking at the code
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for those two utilities and your Wdir program. When I get it all figured out I
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may try my hand at an assembly lang subroutine that combines the two. Gone for
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now, John
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#: 4453 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 19:05:57
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Sb: #4434-SCREEN DUMP
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
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Zack,
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Kevin D pointed me to WINFO and SPRINT in DL10, which will do exactly what
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I am looking for at the present time. I need to dump sculptor screens to
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a file for use in a SCULPTOR tutorial that I am going to write for the
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COCO3. As far as use within an application, it would probably be an easy
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matter to change the source code to access other operating systems screen
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print function or just have the user hit the SCREEN PRINT key (messy-dos)
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etcettera. Thanks again for the help.
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John
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#: 4454 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 19:43:36
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Sb: #4429-Gfx PUTs
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Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
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To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
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Well, I see that I am going to have to purchase this package before I can do
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any programming.
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Thank you for your help.
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Darrell Coffey
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#: 4455 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-Jun-90 20:10:43
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Sb: #4413-#database
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Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
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To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
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Hi John--I've heard about SCULPTER but I didn't hear about the one from
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Clearbrook. Thanks for the lead. By the way where is QBS??
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#: 4481 S10/Tandy CoCo
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18-Jun-90 22:25:41
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Sb: #4455-database
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
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Phil,
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Susquehanna QBS is located in the burgeoning metropolis of Lancaster, PA.
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Basically Find Harrisburg PA on a map and head South East.
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Glad to point you to the programs ... if you need more information feel
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free to yell at me on here or by landline.
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|
John
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#: 4460 S13/Atari ST
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17-Jun-90 20:33:38
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Sb: #Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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If you speak about the Aterm program available here in OSK database, I'm
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the guy who wrote it. At the time I did the upload of that program, it was
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still under test and development. I did upload it because a few users were
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complaining about the lack of comm programs under OSK. Due to a lack of time, I
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|
didn't at the time had enough free hours to continue, so I passed a copy of the
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assembly source to one of my friend who was able to correct a few bugs left in
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it (especially the xmodem lock-up) and he add a few others features, like
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YModem, extended dialer, parity control, screen and shell enhancements, etc.
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|
I've just upload it in Lib 12 under the name AtermV2_6.ar, so use it and let's
|
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hope your xmodem problem is resolved.
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It's hard to spot the exact cause of the xmodem lock-up. While on my
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machine with the original aterm program this problem never appears, my friend
|
|
had the same problem than yours on his Mega ST2 computer. When I used his new
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aterm version 2.6 on my 1040ST, I have problem with parity settings, while on
|
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his side everythings OK.
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|
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|
It seems that there too many versions of ST computers on the market; if you
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have followed the PC-DITTO II saga in the ATARIVEN conference, you have surely
|
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noticed incompatibility between ST's. While some machines have CPU under the
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|
keyboards, others have the same chip near the floppy drive. Bad lots of MMU and
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GLUE chips also give problems.
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|
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|
Here in Montreal ST machines have mostly disappear from stores; they are
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replaced by STE machines, with 4096 colors, stereo outputs, SIMMS RAM. The 64
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pins 68000 CPU is replaced by a square grid array package. That means that
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PC-DITTO II will not work on those machines.
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Atari TT 68030 machines were introduced here in Montreal two weeks ago, I
|
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don't know if it's still using a 68901, or even if OS9/ST will boot on it. As
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soon as I have time I'll go in a Atari store, bring a copy of OSK with me and
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try to boot it. Price is around $3200 US for a basic machine with 2 MBytes of
|
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RAM and 40 MBytes hard disk. There is a Motorola VME bus on that machine, so
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|
maybe we can add a few boards.
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#: 4559 S13/Atari ST
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22-Jun-90 12:33:50
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Sb: #4460-Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714 (X)
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|
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Thanks for the info. I also use the Mega ST 2. I haven't been in the
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ATARIVEN section yet, but I had heard about the compatibility problems
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with PC-DITTO II. Just to add a little to your statement about compatibility
|
|
between ST's: My Mega 2 came with a little circuit board with a 74LS74 on
|
|
it going to pins 12 through 18. In the process of messing around with the
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hardware I blew up my CPU and had to desolder it (I put a socket in after I
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removed the old CPU) and replaced it with a 68000P10 (that at the time I
|
|
bought it was 4 weeks old by the date code). With the new CPU I didn't need
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the satelite board anymore so I removed it.
|
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Another thing I noticed is that most Mega 2's come with a composite sync
|
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signal on the monitor connector, NOT MINE !?
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Iwill download the new version and try it out.
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Thanks again.
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|
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#: 4583 S13/Atari ST
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23-Jun-90 19:22:56
|
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Sb: #4460-Atari Comm Programs
|
|
Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714 (X)
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I just tried out aterm v2.6 and it seems to work. The only problem I had
|
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was with trying to Ymodem download here on CIS. I could Ymodem download
|
|
from my Coco3 fine. I get a CAN from Host and too many retransmissions ???
|
|
from CIS ???
|
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I don't suffer from Xmodem lockup anymore either. I like the new ATerm as
|
|
a whole.
|
|
Thanks.
|
|
Dave
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#: 4461 S3/Languages
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17-Jun-90 23:52:37
|
|
Sb: #4422-#Running Basic09
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|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin- The trouble is that I can load but not run Basic09. I forget the error
|
|
code I recieve, but I will try your sugestion and get back to you soonest.
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Thanks for your help. --->GG
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#: 4465 S3/Languages
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18-Jun-90 01:56:37
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|
Sb: #4461-#Running Basic09
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|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
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|
|
|
George - okay, please let us know what the error code is... and also what else
|
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you had loaded into memory. - kev
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#: 4473 S3/Languages
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18-Jun-90 20:18:00
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Sb: #4465-#Running Basic09
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Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
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|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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|
|
|
Kev- I tried your sug. on looading Basic09, PERFECT. Now for the next onslaught
|
|
of questions. First, what does that UG in your title stand for? Second,I tried
|
|
a small prog. from the manual(OS9) in the Basic09 section. No can do chief.
|
|
I've been programming Basic for about 3 years now and I can't figure this stuff
|
|
out. Look at pg.9-37 in the Basic09 sec. When I create then change to the
|
|
window,all I get are a bunch of dots, no letters. I know it has to be the merge
|
|
command, I'm not getting the fonts into /w1 or something. Big problem is that
|
|
once I ex the terminal screen,I have to BOOT-UP again because the window
|
|
doesn't work!(or rather I can't
|
|
tell if it's working 'cause I don't read morse code. Run it and you'll know
|
|
what I mean) I'm asuming you have the manual,though it might have a little dust
|
|
on it(it sounds like youu don't need it much any more.), if
|
|
you don't, I'll give you the command sequense next message. Thanks for all
|
|
your help. -->GG
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#: 4475 S3/Languages
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18-Jun-90 20:54:06
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Sb: #4473-#Running Basic09
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
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|
|
|
UG stands for "user group". Shouldn't matter what window you merge fonts into;
|
|
SCF snarfs the escape codes on the way out and stores the font data away. You
|
|
should be very sure that the font group and number your program asks for
|
|
matches that of one of the fonts you merged, or you'll get the Morse code
|
|
consistently! <grin>
|
|
|
|
(That's the voice of experience speaking about that last bit...Sigh.)
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#: 4496 S3/Languages
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19-Jun-90 20:52:37
|
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Sb: #4475-Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
|
|
|
James- Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know the code(s) I would have to
|
|
use, the manuual falls short in a lot of areas including this one as far as
|
|
information goes. --->GG
|
|
|
|
#: 4503 S3/Languages
|
|
19-Jun-90 21:51:15
|
|
Sb: #4475-#Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
|
|
|
Hi, George again. Kevin had me merge prior to wcreate'ing and it worked
|
|
perfect. I don't think I needed any code(s) in this instance. Thanks for the
|
|
info anyway, I'll file it for future reference. Now mabey you could help me
|
|
with anotherr little problem I'm having. Whan I try to "PACK" a procedure I
|
|
get error code 214-NO PERMISSION. No permission for what !!?? It's my
|
|
procedure,I changed all ATTR to on and it still wont work. I also tried to load
|
|
"PACK" prior to using it(just in case) and that didn't work either. Any
|
|
sugestions? Nothing I try seems to work. ---->GG
|
|
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|
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#: 4506 S3/Languages
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|
19-Jun-90 21:59:52
|
|
Sb: #4503-Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
George - ah, I caught your message to James. "Pack" is built into basic09. (Be
|
|
sure to save your program source to disk first!)
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|
|
|
If you just type "pack" it'll try to convert/save the program to your commands
|
|
directory. If you'd swapped disks on OS9, then it could get confused and try to
|
|
open a new file in a wrong place on disk... thus a common 214 "no permission"
|
|
error causer.
|
|
|
|
Be sure writeprotect is off the disk, that there's enough room on disk, and
|
|
that you've done a "chx /d0/cmds" for example, first. If there's not enuf room,
|
|
pack to somewhere else: stick in a fresh disk, "pack >/d0/filename". Back
|
|
later.
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|
|
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#: 4521 S3/Languages
|
|
20-Jun-90 07:45:25
|
|
Sb: #4503-#Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
When you pack a procedure, BASIC09 creates a file by the name of the (first, if
|
|
you do a pack*) procedure named in the current execution directory. Perhaps it
|
|
is permission on an already-existing file there by that name that is being
|
|
referred to.
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#: 4527 S3/Languages
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20-Jun-90 18:10:25
|
|
Sb: #4521-Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
|
|
|
JAMES- THANKS FOR THE INFO, BUT I HAVE ALREADY BEEN INFORMED THAT I MUST CHX TO
|
|
CMDS BEFORE I CAN PERFORM A "PACK". THANKS FOR YOUR ASIST ANYWAY, I WILL KEEP
|
|
THAT IN MIND WHEN I TRY IT AGAIN. --->GG
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|
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|
#: 4489 S3/Languages
|
|
19-Jun-90 03:06:43
|
|
Sb: #4473-#Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
Geo - Ah. What happened was that wcreate'ing the window automatically defaults
|
|
the font to stdfonts... unfortunately they don't exist yet <grin>.
|
|
|
|
So do the same lines, EXCEPT do the stdfonts merge BEFORE wcreating the window.
|
|
Now when the window is made, os9 finds the font in memory and can use it right
|
|
away.
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|
|
|
Also, you might want to say "merge /d0/sys/stdfonts" instead of the way they
|
|
did it, as you might not be sitting on the root dir of the disk with the SYS
|
|
subdirectory like they assume. You can tell they assumed this because they used
|
|
a relative pathlist "sys/stdfonts" instead of an absolute pathlist like
|
|
"/d0/sys/stdfonts".
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|
|
|
Which reminds me of a side tip which always helps new OS-9 users: when you CHD
|
|
or CHX to a new disk/dir, OS9 remembers that spot on that *one* particular disk
|
|
(not the pathnames themselves)... so switching disks and not using chd/chx
|
|
again (or not using full pathnames with the drive name in front) will often
|
|
cause confusion on the part of os9 and yourself <grin>.
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|
|
|
Hope you can get 512K soon... the machine really opens up enormously when you
|
|
do... almost no limit, practically speaking. Keep at it! best -kev
|
|
|
|
PS: you could also have blindly typed "display 1b3a c801" while in the dots,
|
|
which means "use font c8 01", which are the stdfonts group/buffer numbers.
|
|
Bing. It'd have come up. Try "display 1b3a c802" just for fun, also. That's the
|
|
stdfonts 6x8 version.
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#: 4498 S3/Languages
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19-Jun-90 21:02:27
|
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Sb: #4489-#Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
|
|
|
Kev- You DO know what your doing , don't you.As far as the CHD and CHX, I've
|
|
found it easier to just stay in the root for now. At least till I get more
|
|
comfortable with the system.
|
|
Can you tell me if there is any other DEPENDABLE documentation on OS9 I might
|
|
be able to use, I really am gettiing tired of fighting with this manual.(I
|
|
can't be the first person to have all these problems. Can I?) Thanks again.
|
|
---->GG
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|
|
|
P.S. I can PACK only from a window, is this true.
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#: 4504 S3/Languages
|
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19-Jun-90 21:55:12
|
|
Sb: #4498-Running Basic09
|
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Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
For more "user-friendly" documentation you might try "Start OS9" from KLE, and
|
|
two books (whose titles escape me for the moment) something like "Complete
|
|
Rainboe Guide to OS9" and Rainbow Guid to OS9 Windows" available from any Radio
|
|
Shack store.
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|
|
Zack
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|
|
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#: 4505 S3/Languages
|
|
19-Jun-90 21:55:16
|
|
Sb: #4498-#Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
George - A lot of people recommend "Start OS-9", a book which should be
|
|
advertised in Rainbow mags... newcomers seem to like it a lot. It leads people
|
|
thru examples that work <grin>, and comes with a disk to help out.
|
|
|
|
There are only a few major mistakes in the stock manual... but they're lulus!
|
|
Just where a newcomer can get most confused, usually ;-).
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|
|
|
The most important thing to remember is that 99.9% of the time, there's a
|
|
simple reason you get errors. Just a matter of keeping cool and tracking it
|
|
down. We reserve our greatest admiration around here for people who keep at
|
|
something until they figure it out. And of course, questions are welcome.
|
|
|
|
PS: Ummm, you can Pack from any kind of device which you can type "pack" on
|
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<smile>. I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
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#: 4515 S3/Languages
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20-Jun-90 06:25:03
|
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Sb: #4505-#Running Basic09
|
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Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
|
|
|
Kev- When I "PACK" I get error 214. Even in the window, should I CHX to CMDS?
|
|
And I tried to config for both sides of thre disk, and failed. Is there a way
|
|
I can just add the modules to my current disk? ---->GG
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#: 4522 S3/Languages
|
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20-Jun-90 07:47:53
|
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Sb: #4515-Running Basic09
|
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
|
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421 (X)
|
|
|
|
Perhaps the thing to do is to describe for us the sequence of events leading up
|
|
to the 214. Be sure to mention any and all swapping of disks, chd and chx
|
|
commands (either that you do yourself or that may be in a BASIC09 procedure you
|
|
are running), and the like that you do.
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#: 4532 S3/Languages
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20-Jun-90 22:59:53
|
|
Sb: #4505-Running Basic09
|
|
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
|
|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
|
|
|
KEV- I used chx /d0/cmds for "pack" and it worked fine. I also managed to
|
|
config a disk with ddd0-40d and d0-40d, thaat also worked fine. Now, how doo I
|
|
transfer my files to the new disks? I tried copy (error 244) and when I try to
|
|
config on the new dsk it aborts just after I enter the new disk in to be
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scratched. When I tried "BACKUP" I get error 249(media mismatch). I tried to
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"keep cool" and track it down but this is getting down right frustrating! At
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it now for 3 hours now with no luck. Any ideas? ----->GG
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P.S. Alsoo you might have noticed double characters from time to time in my
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messages. My keyboard seems to like doing that. Anything I can do to fix that?
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#: 4462 S3/Languages
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17-Jun-90 23:56:39
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Sb: #4433-Running Basic09
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Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
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To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
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Zack- As for the memory, as soon as I get the money I plan on the upgrade. As
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to the "difficulty", I can load the Basic09 module into memory but can't run it
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using the Bassic09 command, all I get is an error code. I recieved a suggestion
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from Dave and will try it then let you know how it goes. Thanks for your reply.
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-->GG
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#: 4463 S9/Utilities
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18-Jun-90 01:35:22
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Sb: #4431-RBF
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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Mark,
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I am now running one of my systems at my law office. Most of the files have the
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attributes set for both the owner and public read and write. On some of the
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files the modification date is important for backup purposes. I began to notice
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that the modification dates got out of sync and eventually figured out it was
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when the user who did not own the file updated it. (At the office, neither my
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secretary or I run as super user.)
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I checked this out on my system here and confirmed that an update by a person
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with write permission only updates the file date if the person is also the
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owner.
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The version of RBF I run is $10 with a CRC of $C199E8. It is circa 1983 and
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purchased from Smoke Signal Broadcasting.
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For further information you might ask Carl Kreider. He has a revised version of
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RBF which he did and gave me a copy of years ago. It does not reflect the bug
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described above.
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Hope this helps.
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Ken
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#: 4464 S11/Non-CoCo OS-9
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18-Jun-90 01:39:48
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Sb: #GIMIX going away?
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete
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I saw your message to Wendell Benedetti #4177. "The GIMIX will be going down
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for good shortly." Another SS-50 user bites the dust? What hardware will you be
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running post GIMIX other than your Coco?
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Say, I was able to find some SS-50 memory. I found a 1985 ad for D.P. Johnson's
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1 Meg dynamic ram board and on a lark called him. After getting by his
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answering machine, he said he has several blank boards around and would build
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me a 512K board. I expect to get it in the next week or two. He has a Smoke
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Signal machine like mine, so I hope it will work without a hitch.
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Ken
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4534 S11/Non-CoCo OS-9
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20-Jun-90 23:22:05
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Sb: #4464-#GIMIX going away?
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Ken Drexler 75126,3427 (X)
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Ken -
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Well, with luck I'll be navigating up the learning curve on a developmental
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MM/1...
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Pete
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4540 S11/Non-CoCo OS-9
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21-Jun-90 00:33:16
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Sb: #4534-GIMIX going away?
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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I hope you will keep all of us on here advised on it as you get into it. It has
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been fascinating to watch the MM/1 and the Tomcat develop here.
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Ken
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#: 4466 S13/Atari ST
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18-Jun-90 10:36:53
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Sb: #4394-#Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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David,
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I have set environment variables in C, and can give a pointer to avoid the
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pits *I* fell into.
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Make sure that you have storage in the program that sets or changes
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environment variables for the entire array of pointers *and* the strings to
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which they point. Do *NOT* just change the values you are passed, as there is
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no C data structure implicitly declaring storage for them and the code that
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would "find out" how much storage was there will make the program hard to read
|
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later. Here's what I do:
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char *env[20]; /* storage for 19 envir pointers and NULL */
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.....
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env[0] = "TERM=vt100";
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evn[1] = "PORT=/term";
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env[2] = "SHELL=ksh";
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env[3] = 0;
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Of course you can use getenv() to pass on variables you were passed. Note that
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getenv() returns an int, not a char * as the manual says (I know, in OSK they
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are the same - this will save you a warning by doing the cast).
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Good luck!
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Mark
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4560 S13/Atari ST
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22-Jun-90 12:37:23
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Sb: #4466-Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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Thanks for the reply, but I already figured it out. Documentation is a
|
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little scarce on how to treat the environment, but I was able to scrape
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up enough info (mainly from reading os9exec() repeatedly).
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And that was almost how I did it. (add a few strcpy()'s here and a few
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strcat()'s there).
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#: 4502 S13/Atari ST
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19-Jun-90 21:50:28
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Sb: #4394-#Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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Yup, there is an easy way to set environment variables in a C program. Keep an
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eye on upload area, I will release a routine I'm developing for this soon.
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I already have a new login (part of StG Login pkg, v4) that encrypts passwords,
|
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as well as a lot of other major improvements.. It *should* become available
|
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online at some point, as I am planning on placing a limited version of the
|
|
login package in shareware when complete (in a few weeks).
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|
|
|
Thanks for letting me know what you are after though - anythinng else you're
|
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wanting to have?
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StG
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 4517 S13/Atari ST
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20-Jun-90 06:50:43
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Sb: #4502-#Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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|
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
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|
I'm curious, Scott...
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|
I played with your older version of LOGIN for quite some time before I started
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working with the one that I have now. One thing that caused me no end of
|
|
trouble was the non-standard format of the password file. Have you changed that
|
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in newer releases?
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Steve
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4548 S13/Atari ST
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21-Jun-90 14:27:50
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Sb: #4517-#Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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|
|
The format of the password file was actually derived from the "standard"
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onei.e. what the original login module used. However, I added several fields
|
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at the end, which the original one barfs on, and I accidently got the user and
|
|
exec dirs backwards. I also change the "defaulting" of several of the fields,
|
|
i.e. a blank user directory is not illegal but will default to /dd/user/(name).
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|
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|
The V3 package still uses this format - but in the V4 release (soon to be out)
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I have corrected the user/exec dir being exchanged. Also being added to the V4
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release is a password.dat format (with fast username/name/number index files)
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as an option - which is necessary to use several additional features.
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|
Anything before V3 is considered garbage - especially the 0.9 that I had a long
|
|
time ago (3 years?) uploaded here. The V3 itself works quite well, and since
|
|
all the C libraries and some source have been released on the net, writing
|
|
routines to interact with it is quite easy. But yes, what some people would
|
|
call stanard routines will not work with the older formats. This is being
|
|
completely fixed in the new V4.
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StG
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4553 S13/Atari ST
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21-Jun-90 21:24:33
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Sb: #4548-Atari Comm Programs
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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|
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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Glad to hear that version 4 will be compatable with conventions already in
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|
place.
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Steve
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#: 4561 S13/Atari ST
|
|
22-Jun-90 12:41:51
|
|
Sb: #4502-Atari Comm Programs
|
|
Fm: David George 72240,134
|
|
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
|
|
|
|
I figured out the environment stuff.
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|
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|
I might be interested in your login package, but only if the password
|
|
file routines are available (even if it costs extra). I would only
|
|
expect .r files, so that I can link them into some of my programs
|
|
that require access to the password file. (like SU, CH
|
|
(like SU, and CHOWN). My SU asks for a password to change user unless
|
|
you are root (just like the UNIX version). And CHOWN will take a
|
|
username as well as a usernumber for the user to change ownership to.
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|
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|
Dave
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|
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#: 4501 S13/Atari ST
|
|
19-Jun-90 21:47:06
|
|
Sb: #4392-Atari Comm Programs
|
|
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
|
|
To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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|
|
|
Actually, I use kermit for everything - almost. I haven't had any problems
|
|
with v2.2, so I doubt it's the cause. Actually, I am writing my own...
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StG
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#: 4468 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
|
18-Jun-90 19:17:17
|
|
Sb: #4353-Hard drives
|
|
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
|
|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the info. I sold my Disto hard drive interface and baught the B&B
|
|
with a WD1002wx1 controller. Thats MFM right? The B&B and WD Controller only
|
|
cost me $60 so if have invested $110 in the HD system. If you know anyone with
|
|
a IBM PC that needs a 10meg MiniSscribe drive let me know I am not sure what
|
|
format it is.
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Tthanks again.
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#: 4469 S1/General Interest
|
|
18-Jun-90 19:59:21
|
|
Sb: #OS/9 Cartoon
|
|
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515
|
|
To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hi All,
|
|
I recently received a premier issue of a magazine dealing with the OS/2
|
|
operating system. I program with MSDOS at work and have no desire to lower
|
|
myself even further. But anyway...
|
|
One of the interesting things in the magazine is a cartoon captioned "OS/2 Cat
|
|
ponders future lives." It shows a cat looking at a gravestone that has "DOS CAT
|
|
R.I.P." on it. The bubble says "Goodbye old friend! Heck, I wonder what OS/9
|
|
will be like?"
|
|
Now I planning to write a letter to the editors and tell them what OS9 IS like!
|
|
The Cartoon is on Page 116 of the Premier 1990 Issue. David Nelson is the
|
|
Editor-in-chief, Linda Stephenson is the Managing Editor, and Leonora Wimmer is
|
|
the Publisher. The Address is The Silicon Beach Operation Inc., 1101B Eugenia
|
|
Place, Carpinteria, Ca 93013. In fact they mention they have a BBS at 1 (805)
|
|
684-0589. It mentions you can send letters to the editor. Maybe I can get some
|
|
experts (esp. ones that like cats hint.. hint...) to help me tell the story of
|
|
OS9. A mention of OS9000 is also in order.
|
|
One suggestion is to mention about the great record locking capability of OS9
|
|
Level 2. OS/2 assumes the application will do the record locking (Just what
|
|
does OS/2 do to take 2 megabytes????).
|
|
Of course I got a chuckle out of the cartoon on another level since DOS is not
|
|
dead and it may be several years before OS/2 is an OK operating system. This
|
|
very well could be when 80686 chips are out and once again an operating system
|
|
is behind the level of the hardware. The same as DOS is with 80286 and 80386
|
|
systems.
|
|
73 Eric.....
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 4471 S1/General Interest
|
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18-Jun-90 20:05:27
|
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Sb: #4469-OS/9 Cartoon
|
|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
|
To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X)
|
|
|
|
That's a great story! I'd blow that cartoon up and stick on my wall! <grin>
|
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|
|
#: 4474 S1/General Interest
|
|
18-Jun-90 20:51:41
|
|
Sb: #4469-#OS/9 Cartoon
|
|
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
|
To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X)
|
|
|
|
Could you mention the name of the magazine? I'd be interested in grabbing a
|
|
copy of it just for the cartoon. :-)
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4497 S1/General Interest
|
|
19-Jun-90 20:58:56
|
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Sb: #4474-#OS/9 Cartoon
|
|
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515
|
|
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
|
|
|
Hi James,
|
|
Why it is "OS/2 Magazine"! I managed to read some stuff and it seems to have a
|
|
very strong "DOS" bashing stanch. Pro-OS/2 at all cost!
|
|
I read some article on why "DOS is dead or should be" that was confusing. I
|
|
think it is because the person did not know the subject. Limitations of current
|
|
applications were taken as OS limitations. That DOS could not handle multiple
|
|
protocols. I take protocols to mean communications protocols, but even if it
|
|
was data protocols I feel it is a applications issue instead of an OS issue.
|
|
DOS has capability for Device Drivers, make one! You also got the impression
|
|
that DOS programs have to be rewritten when new versions of DOS are released
|
|
and that interrupts and data structures of DOS change often. OS/2 was presented
|
|
as a OS that will not chamge. There are shortcomings with DOS, but this
|
|
magazine did not mention them. Could it be that OS/2 also has the same
|
|
shortcomings? I think in my letter I will mention, "Well if OS/2 will not
|
|
change, then I will not use it because it's shortcomings will never go away and
|
|
it will not take advantage of new stuff". DOS changed as new hardware and needs
|
|
became available. I can still use wordstar written for DOS 1.0 under DOS 3.3 so
|
|
what's the problem?
|
|
It says on the cover that it is an independent magazine, but IMHO, it looks
|
|
like something out of a PR department of Microsoft. It is also strange that
|
|
there is no date on the magazine other than the "1990 Premier Issue" on the
|
|
bottom of the page.
|
|
I sorry to get on my soapbox, but I've programmed in enough OSs to know that no
|
|
OS is perfect (not even OS9). People on this forum are Pro-OS9, but readily
|
|
admit to the problems and help you get around them or fix the problem in OS9!
|
|
Look at all the work that was done to remove dead code in GSHELL! Could one
|
|
problem with OS/2 be that it has 1 meg of dead code???
|
|
73 Eric...
|
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 4523 S1/General Interest
|
|
20-Jun-90 07:52:08
|
|
Sb: #4497-OS/9 Cartoon
|
|
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
|
To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X)
|
|
|
|
Well...OS/2 sounds like it suffers from "second-system syndrome" (the desire,
|
|
once one has done one system, to throw in every possible feature, egged on by
|
|
hubris at having done the first system--Fred Brooks, in *The Mythical
|
|
Man-Month*, may be the originator of this phrase). At least the reference to
|
|
OS/2 in the new "jargon file" seems to think so (they mention OS/2 because,
|
|
they say, it's always good for a cheap laugh among programmers). This would be
|
|
highly ironic, because technically, OS/2 is Microsoft's first operating system,
|
|
since they bought the first version of MS-DOS from elsewhere!
|
|
|
|
#: 4472 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
18-Jun-90 20:06:32
|
|
Sb: Motorola Supports CD-I
|
|
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
|
To: all
|
|
|
|
(edited) LONDON - Motorola Semiconductor Products Monday announced their intent
|
|
to provide CD-I silicon chip sets to hardware manufacturers worldwide. This
|
|
latest development coincides with the Multimedia Conference on Interactive CD
|
|
hosted by Philips, Sony, Matsushita and Polygram.
|
|
The chip set includes the MC68340 32-bit microprocessor, a highly integrated
|
|
solution for graphics applications, plus dedicated still video and video
|
|
processing devices. A part of this set is a full screen, full motion
|
|
decompression processor for the CD-I standard.
|
|
By providing a global source of high quality silicon, Motorola aims to ease
|
|
the development of hardware products conforming to the CD-I standard. This will
|
|
accelerate the acceptance of CD-I as a Multimedia standard and add momentum to
|
|
its rate of growth as the next major consumer product innovation.
|
|
Availability of this revolutionary video processing device is timed to
|
|
coincide with major CD-I equipment launches in 1991. More details will be made
|
|
available following the meeting of the MPEG committee in September 1990. (MPEG
|
|
- The Motion Picture Experts Group is a joint ISO/CCITT standard committee,
|
|
tasked with defining a global standard for video compression.)
|
|
Over 100 companies have signed up to support CD-I, the majority of them
|
|
developing the innovative software titles which will drive consumer and pro
|
|
usage. Motorola will be assisting Philips IMS and their partners to realize
|
|
CD-I as a global success in consumer electronics and Multimedia computing.
|
|
Based on this latest announcement, the hardware companies will be able to
|
|
accelerate their product developments, while guaranteeing conformance to the
|
|
standard. This standardization is critical for such a global consumer product,
|
|
guaranteeing that any disk bought anywhere in the world will play on any
|
|
manufacturer's hardware.
|
|
|
|
#: 4479 S1/General Interest
|
|
18-Jun-90 22:15:01
|
|
Sb: #4258-#dead TTX
|
|
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515
|
|
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
|
|
|
Hi Steve,
|
|
It is a classic problem. One suggestion is to ask over in the Hamnet forum. The
|
|
summer is a slow time for ham flea markets, but I'll see if I can find any in
|
|
the ham magazines.
|
|
I am sure that the St. Louis area big enough 8->.
|
|
I suggest you visit Gateway Electronics, 8123 Page Blvd., St. Louis. (314)
|
|
427-6116. They are listed in the 73 Magazine's Dealer Directory. They are an
|
|
electronics parts supplier, but may set up at the local fleamarkets.
|
|
73 Eric...
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|
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|
There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 4493 S1/General Interest
|
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19-Jun-90 07:25:14
|
|
Sb: #4479-#dead TTX
|
|
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
|
To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X)
|
|
|
|
Eric,
|
|
|
|
And visit Gateway Electronics, I did.
|
|
|
|
I managed to find a schematic of a similar power supply that gave me enough
|
|
info to feel comfortable about replacing the dead one in the TTX.
|
|
|
|
To make a short story very long ...
|
|
|
|
Well .. nevermind :-)
|
|
|
|
The TTX is back amongst the living thanks to a new and beefier power supply.
|
|
|
|
Steve
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4500 S1/General Interest
|
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19-Jun-90 21:11:40
|
|
Sb: #4493-#dead TTX
|
|
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515
|
|
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
|
|
|
Hi Steve,
|
|
Well I can guess that you picked up another power supply!
|
|
You can usually assume that +5 volts is used if it is TTL (+12 volts on CMOS)
|
|
amd +12 and -12 for the RS232. The negative supplies are the lightest amperage
|
|
while the +5 is the heaviest. If it is an eariler microprocessor then -5 could
|
|
also be used.
|
|
You can get into some weird stuff. One terminal I remember used +70 volts for
|
|
the monitor. It sounds like ratings were stamped on the PS.
|
|
I will still look up the area's hamfest and post them tomorrow.
|
|
73 Eric...
|
|
|
|
There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4516 S1/General Interest
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20-Jun-90 06:43:50
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Sb: #4500-dead TTX
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X)
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The ratings were stampped on the new power supply ... I made sure of that! :-)
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There were severall flavors of this type of ps ... some had ratings on the
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board some did not ... I chose the former. I didn't want to be guessing any
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further than I already was.
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Yes ... in hindsight, +5 and +/- 12 make sense. But this tube is weird ... and
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they have a nasty habit of devouring power supplis. Bill and Mark both had a
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couple I sent them and both got tied of feeding 'em! ;-)
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Do appreciate the effort on the ham fests. Just lemme know.
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Steve
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#: 4480 S10/Tandy CoCo
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18-Jun-90 22:17:04
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Sb: #2 tied
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: all
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What do I need to do to run Two RS 232 packs in one computer and 1 rs232 in
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another and tie them together? (VIA 232 cable)
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ANy help? What do i use (/t3,m2,??)
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#: 4509 S10/Tandy CoCo
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19-Jun-90 22:13:26
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Sb: #4480-#2 tied
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Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Everett- I'm a little new here, but I may be able to help you out anyway.
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First, what is your system configuration (what ya' got?) and what kind of
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232's are you trying to use? Do you have a MULTI Pak or a "Y" cable? Read and
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reply. ---->GG
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#: 4576 S10/Tandy CoCo
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23-Jun-90 08:42:59
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Sb: #4509-2 tied
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: George Gavaghan 76236,421
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I have A COCO 3 with 1 meg and a multipack (upgraded) with 2 232 packs and 2 60
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meg harddrives with a 4800 baud modem.
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And I have another coco 3 512 with a multipack (upgraded ) and 1 232 pack and 2
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5 1/4 & 1-3 1/4 Drive!
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I want to use t2 for my bbs and then at the same time i want to use the other
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rs 232pack to work the other computer . ok?
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#: 4484 S15/Hot Topics
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18-Jun-90 23:28:32
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Sb: #4415-#MM/1 s/w
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Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
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To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
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~ Jim;
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The Amiga designers did a good job on the hardware, I'll agree! There's lots
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of things about it that I really like - just hope the MM/1 equals or exceeds
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it.
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The PS/2 keyboard (AT 101 style) does NOT have a HELP key. I've been using
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one for about 18 months now, and it's really well thought out and easy to
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learn. The one that I got (don't remember the mfg.) has the large ENTER key,
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left/right CTRL and ALT keys, ESC in the upper left, 12 PF keys in groups of 4
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across the top, a keypad off to the right, etc.
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The I*M world has adopted the F1 key as the standard for HELP in the past few
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years... all the systems that I use at work, with the exception of areas of
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PROFS use F1, as do almost all the DOS based programs that I've come in contact
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with.
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I'm not saying that we need to stick to this standard, only that we should
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adopt SOME standards for all the MM/1 software that is bound to appear. If, at
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the same time, we could remain compatible with the user interface, it would
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probably make the computer easier to learn for DOS types.
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...Jim
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#: 4487 S15/Hot Topics
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19-Jun-90 02:30:25
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Sb: #4484-MM/1 s/w
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Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
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To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
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Oh, I agree. If there isn't a help key, there should be a standard key for it.
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--Eet--
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#: 4488 S10/Tandy CoCo
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19-Jun-90 03:01:13
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Sb: #Disk Drive Discriptors
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Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
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To: ALL
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Why does OS9 seem to ignore the IT.SCT field in a drive discriptor? The system
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will use the IT.T0S value on all tracks when a disk is formatted.
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William
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#: 4490 S10/Tandy CoCo
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19-Jun-90 03:12:24
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Sb: #4488-#Disk Drive Discriptors
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
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Does it? Are you using the latest format version? I know some versions had
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things hardcoded. I believe the L-II coco version does use the SCT value
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properly, but could be wrong.
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#: 4512 S10/Tandy CoCo
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20-Jun-90 01:48:11
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Sb: #4490-Disk Drive Discriptors
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Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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I am using format from L2 version 2.00.01.
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William
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#: 4492 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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19-Jun-90 05:06:35
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Sb: #TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: All OSK'rs
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The latest release (release 2.0) from TOP in Munich, Germany is available. Lots
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of good utilities, a UUCP program and some games. This software is FREE (their
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efforts to get good software for the 680x0 machines running OSK).
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If you want a set, you can get them from
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DELMAR CO
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PO Box 78
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Middletown, DE 19709-0078
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Attn: Ed Gresick
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Phone 302-378-2555
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Currently, I can only copy them to 80 track 'MIZAR' format (tos=16, sct=16)
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discs; either 5 1/4" or 3 1/2". It requires 15 discs so please send a check
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for $50.00 to cover the costs of the discs, shipping in the US, etc. Please
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allow me 2 to 3 weeks to ship. I have to do the copying when I have time.
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Sorry, 6809 OS9 users, these programs are only for 680x0.
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Ed
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#: 4511 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Jun-90 01:44:27
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Sb: #4492-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Any chance you might be able to upload them in .AR format to the library?
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WAyne
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#: 4513 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Jun-90 04:40:55
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Sb: #4511-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Hi Wayne!
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The TOP discs are over 11 Megabytes long - Most of the data is already
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compressed. I don't think its practical. (TOP has placed *NO* restrictions
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against doing this.) At an average transfer rate of around 1200 - 1500 bytes
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per second, this would take around 2 1/2 hours (no errors). Do you have enough
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disk space available in the OS9 forumn?
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Ed
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#: 4518 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Jun-90 07:00:47
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Sb: #4513-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Hi Ed!
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Wayne, I'm sure, will have a reply as well but let me drop a few pennies in the
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hat.
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While space is a precious commodity on any system, if the files that are taking
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up such space are usefull and getting a lot of action, then the space is
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certainly justified.
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With the added interest in OSK system comming about recently, anything to shore
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up our OSK library is gonna see a lot of action.
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Upload time is free ... and the advanced warning about disk space is good to
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know as we can pre shuffle some block aound so you're not inconvenienced by a
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'lack of space' error.
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Many folks will still want to send off for the diskettes as they weight their
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time against the total download time. But many will opt to roll their own,
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piece by piece.
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The forum would seem to be a great way to 'help get the word out'!
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Steve
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#: 4525 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Jun-90 15:28:15
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Sb: #4513-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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If we don't have enough available, we can certainly acquire enough, Ed. That's
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not really a problem, like Steve mentioned.
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What I'm thinking of is the fact that the Mizar format is not universal, and
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some folks may be left out because of that.. plus.. others may not want the
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whole thing.
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Is the library broken down into logical sections, or is it just a mixmash of
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files?
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Could there be some way you might choose a bit of "The Best Of.." and see if
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there's enough interest to justify uploading the rest of the material? That
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might help us gauge the interest in OSK here, as well.
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As I said... we're interested in helping out the average user, but don't wanna
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make things a hassle for you at the same time.
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Wayne
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#: 4549 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Jun-90 14:36:50
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Sb: #4513-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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The TOPS stuff is also available via FTP over internet- I have the address of
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the machine on the local unix machine I access through. It's in tar form, and
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I'm working on getting a copy... If broken down in to .ar's for separate
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dirs/apps that would work pretty well for uploading here. I'd be willing to do
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it (I have 2400 baud local access and a spare line)...
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StG
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#: 4555 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Jun-90 08:50:09
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Sb: #4549-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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Hi Scott!
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Thanks for your offer - may need your help.
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I'll upload the docs, etc. tomorrow morning and follow that up with the
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contents of 'disk 1' next week. Then we can asses the interest.
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Ed
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#: 4575 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 03:57:02
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Sb: #4549-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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Hi Scott!
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I understand some additional updates have been posted to USENET by TOP. This is
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also supposed to contain source code. I don't have access to USENET, but if
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you can get this and upload them, that could be a major contribution and a big
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help.
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I haven't gotten the updates from Germany yet, will probably be another couple
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of months.
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Ed
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#: 4578 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 12:41:30
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Sb: #4549-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
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To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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I have access to the InterNet - what is the internet address of the machine
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with the TOPS stuff - I assume they support anonymous FTP.
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Robert
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#: 4582 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 18:00:44
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Sb: #4578-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Robert Heller 71450,3432
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Robert,
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This is the third or fourth time I've seen mention of 'anonymous FTP'. I'm
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assuming FTP stands for file transfer protocol, but ...
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How about a brief explaination as you understand the topic?
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Steve
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#: 4542 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Jun-90 04:59:34
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Sb: #4511-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Hi Wayne!
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OK - I'll try to upload. Give me a couple of days to set-up for it. Do you
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plan a special directory or should I just transfer to dl12?
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The reason for the 'MIZAR' format is that some of discs are full - 0 bytes left
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- and this after setting SAS to 1!
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BTW, I made a *small* error in my arithmetic - it should have read 1200 - 1500
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*bits* - 120 - 150 bytes. Transfer time will be about 25 hours - WOW! (If my
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wife balks at the phone bill, you'll have to defend me!)
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Ed
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#: 4545 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Jun-90 08:28:10
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Sb: #4542-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Gadz Ed!
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25 hours! Break that up in small chunks, will ya? :-)
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Can't have your wife screaming bloody murder.
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#: 4552 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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21-Jun-90 17:31:13
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Sb: #4542-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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I think the OSK library would probably be fine for the initial uploads, Ed. If,
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at some time in the future, you (or someone else) decides to upload the whole
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library, we can make some changes in that decision.
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No problem on the Mizar format.. I can read and write it with no problem, but
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only 40 tracks... it's not that common, methinks.
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Anyway.. like I said.. don't feel you have to upload the whole thing.. a sample
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of what you feel folks would like would be fine with us.
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Wayne
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#: 4556 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Jun-90 08:54:29
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Sb: #4552-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Hi Wayne!
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I'll upload the docs, etc. tomorrow morning and sometime next week, the
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contents of 'disc 1'. AR'd, the docs *only* take 113,000 bytes but 'disk 1'
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looks like about 650,000 bytes. (Can I send the phone bill to Steve ,grin.?)
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Question - Each disc contains sub-directories. Is there a way to do the AR
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and preserve the directory structure?. I tried "ar -u <filename> ./*" and "ar
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-u <filename> top_1/*". Neither worked and my docs don't cover the subject.
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(BTW, this is for a 68000 machine.)
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Ed
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#: 4558 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Jun-90 09:36:15
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Sb: #4556-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Uh, I'm not sure about that, Ed... hopefuly someone else will be able to tell
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you.
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About the phone bill.. lemme emphasize again, if this is gonna be a hassle for
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you, we can see about making different arrangements.
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Wayne
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#: 4572 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 03:52:33
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Sb: #4558-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
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Hi Wayne!
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Uploaded TOP6.ar, documentation, etc. to DL12. The transfer efficiency was
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double what I expected and no errors. The phone bill, per se, is not a problem
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(but don't tell Steve <grin>. This line is also used for UUCP transfers, FAX,
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etc. so I can't tie it up too long.
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I'll transfer TOP DISK1 next.
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Ed
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#: 4571 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 02:59:05
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Sb: #4556-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Ed,
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Try ar -u <archive name> <DIRECTORY NAME>/* <SUB-DIRECTORY NAME>/*
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etc. This will archive _all_ files in directory NAME and its sub_directory
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NAME. Please note that ar preserves the _case_ of the directory names fed
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to it.
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Bob
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#: 4573 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 03:53:24
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Sb: #4571-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X)
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Hi Bob!
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Thanks. Does this force 'makdir' when burst?
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Ed
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#: 4587 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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24-Jun-90 03:53:14
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Sb: #4571-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124
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To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124
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Ed,
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Unfortunately ar will return an error if the directory does not exist.
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Bob
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#: 4557 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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22-Jun-90 09:09:13
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Sb: #4542-#TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
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Ed;
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Just as a suggestion, why not create an index file of all the goodies and
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upload that. Then as you get requests, upload the files of intererest.
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Gotta keep those wives smilin'!! :-)
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...Jim
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#: 4574 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Jun-90 03:54:35
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Sb: #4557-TOP Munich Release 2.0
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
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Hi Jim!
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Good idea - I'd like to have an inex myself. Probably can make one from
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'dsave' or 'du' - I'll look into it.
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Ed
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#: 4495 S13/Atari ST
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19-Jun-90 20:38:39
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Sb: #UUCP & OSK 2.1
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Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
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To: all
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I'm having trouble getting the uucico program from the TOP 2.0 package to run
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on a 1 Meg. Atari ST running OSK 2.1. It seems to have problems setting the
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parity on /t1, resulting in being unable to correctly read the responses given
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my the UNIX host I'm trying to connect to.
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Has anyone else had this problem? What's the current version of OSK for the
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Atari? I've recently re-surrected this system, so I'm sure what I have is out
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of date...
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--Dwight D. McKay
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--75776,1521 -or- mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay
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#: 4508 S13/Atari ST
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19-Jun-90 22:01:43
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Sb: #4495-UUCP & OSK 2.1
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
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Dwight - hmmm, they use a different OSK/ST port over yonder. Could be that the
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parity byte is encoded differently?
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#: 4543 S13/Atari ST
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21-Jun-90 05:04:11
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Sb: #4495-UUCP & OSK 2.1
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
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Hi Dwight!
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The members of the TOP groupd use ATARI STs also. However, I understand the
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machine sold in Europe is different from the one sold here - (differences in
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archeture?). They (TOP) tell me the machine sold there is superior to the one
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sold here. I don't know - I use a PT68. One of their members, Frank Kaefer,
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occassionally drops in on this forum. You may want to leave him a message.
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His CIS number is 72427,2101. You can also reach him through INTERNET. His
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address is '>INTERNET:fkk%stasys@doit.sub.org'. He has to pay for calls to CIS
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and EMAIL from INTERNET (overseas charges) so please take it easy on him.
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Ed /ex
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#: 4499 S10/Tandy CoCo
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19-Jun-90 21:03:26
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Sb: #4406-#VEF
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Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
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To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
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Thanks, I found some VEF specs in VEFSQS.AR, thanx anyway.
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#: 4510 S10/Tandy CoCo
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20-Jun-90 00:01:59
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Sb: #4499-#VEF
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
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Great! I was going to point you to that file. I've been offline and took a
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small vacation down to Cal for the past 5 days, or I would have seen your
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message earlier.
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Mike
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4547 S10/Tandy CoCo
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21-Jun-90 12:02:39
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Sb: #4510-VEF
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Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
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To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
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THanks. I took a man page from vefsqsh and converted it into some VEF specs,
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and I will upload those as soon as I find it so that people will not have to
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bother everyone for them 8-).
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#: 4514 S10/Tandy CoCo
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20-Jun-90 06:10:32
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Sb: #4148-#Dungeon Depths Fix
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Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
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To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
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Floyd,
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is "Dungeon Depths"? I've been looking for
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some new games.
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Thanks,
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tomn
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4524 S10/Tandy CoCo
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20-Jun-90 13:10:43
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Sb: #4514-Dungeon Depths Fix
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
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The Dungeon Depths is a game I wrote in BASIC09. Basically, you maneuver a man
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around each level trying to kill (or avoid) monsters and attempting to find
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your way to the next level. The object of the game is to get to the final
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level and get the Power Gem. How many levels are there? Only the author
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knows! Anyway, I've receive a lot of compliments on it and I still enjoy
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playing it. I've only solved it once if that gives you any indication on how
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challenging it is. If you download it, be sure to get DUNGN1.AR. I believe
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that's what I called it. It's in the Tandy CoCo library.
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Floyd
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#: 4530 S7/Telecommunications
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20-Jun-90 21:46:43
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Sb: #Sterm
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Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
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To: 76070,41 (X)
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Mark:
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I have a couple of questions for you. I'm using Sterm 1.3 on CIS now, but with
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a modified termcap. I have only the very basic commands in it. If I try to use
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the one that comes with 1.3 I end up with a very interesting display, and a
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locked up system.
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So where can Isget this CC3io patch? Please don't tell me it was with the AR
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file. When I downloaded Sterm, I was still using a CoCo 2, so much of the stuff
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just got filed, and when I looked for the AR file I can't seem to fi d it. Must
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have scratched it at some time.
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Also what term set should I be using on CIS? At this time it's set to (other).
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Is this what I want?
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>Lute<
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#: 4589 S7/Telecommunications
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24-Jun-90 08:04:08
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Sb: #4530-Sterm
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
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Lute,
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The termcap entries that Sterm use only need to be simple. Sterm uses the code
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for erasing the screen, reverse video, and cursor movement only. Any fancier
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entry is just wasted with Sterm.
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There have been problems with the termcap port on the 6809. I don't know how
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to correct it tho, and really haven't looked into it to much. The main reason
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I used termcap was to allow porting Sterm 1.3 to different OS9 systems
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including Pete Lyalls GIMIX (now deceased), and OSK machines. It's a shame the
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6809/OS9 termcap port was not better since it does cause system lockups as you
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have noticed, simply by changing one byte in an entry.
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To correct your problem, I'd stay with the entry that works for you.
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The patch for CC3IO is included in the archive for the latest Gshell patches.
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Can't remember the name, but if you go to DL10 and look for the latest Gshell
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patches, it should be in there. You can also use the other patches in that
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file.
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As far as you terminal settings for CIS, I'd use a CRT and have it send
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formfeeds. This clears your screen between each menu and looks neat.
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Mark
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#: 4531 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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20-Jun-90 22:11:02
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Sb: #4301-New BBS
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Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
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To: judd terrell 72217,714 (X)
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got judd, stay tuned for the next release in mid july. best, wayne
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#: 4533 S4/MIDI and Music
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20-Jun-90 23:10:34
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Sb: #Midi
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Fm: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527
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To: 72467,1111 (X)
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Mike,
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I have UltimuseIII ver. 4.5.0. It was ordered around the first of the year.
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Can I put in a request here for an upgrade to 4.6.2 or so? I hear it has midi
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clock controlling capabilities. thanks...
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Fenton Hunt
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4568 S4/MIDI and Music
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22-Jun-90 22:03:13
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Sb: #4533-Midi
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 (X)
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OK Fenton, I'll put in your request for you, since 4.6.x is a big improvement
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over 4.5.x. Your MIDI clock, plus lots more Tools (like Part Copy) and a
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|
point-n-shoot FIle System. Also Percussion Clef, very importatn standard for
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everyone to start using. --mike k
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|
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#: 4537 S3/Languages
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|
21-Jun-90 00:10:13
|
|
Sb: #4381-Maybe another C bug
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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|
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
|
|
Bob,
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|
|
|
Gosh, a speedy spell checker in the public domain! Great!
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|
|
Paul
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|
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#: 4538 S3/Languages
|
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21-Jun-90 00:12:04
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Sb: #4384-#Maybe another C bug
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|
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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|
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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|
|
|
Mark,
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|
|
|
You know, some time you and I should button hole Simmy (for a LOT of reasons!)
|
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and get a comprehensive C compiler bug list out of him.
|
|
|
|
Our staff is looking forward to supporting the software we're sending out with
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the MM/1 -- but of course it would be nicest if we had several interpretations
|
|
of the C compiler bug list for reference.
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|
|
|
Paul
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4590 S3/Languages
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24-Jun-90 08:04:15
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Sb: #4538-Maybe another C bug
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|
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
|
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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|
|
Paul,
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Sheeesh, I've never kept a list of compiler bugs since I've never seen
|
|
them...probably due to the way I use it. Others here might have that available
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for you. I assume you mean the 6809 compiler?? Wouldn't you want a bug list
|
|
for the OSK compiler though?
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|
|
Mark
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#: 4541 S3/Languages
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21-Jun-90 01:28:12
|
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Sb: #4384-#Maybe another C bug
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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|
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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|
|
|
Mark, I am refering to the spell checker in the UG library. I've got most of
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|
the stuff running quite nicely now. The amazing thing is the increase in
|
|
speed--the thing is actually useable now! I want to do a few final touch-ups
|
|
and then I'll upload the whole package (without the dictionary!).
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|
|
|
Also, I will see if I can figure out the GOTO bug and post it here.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4591 S3/Languages
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24-Jun-90 08:04:26
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Sb: #4541-Maybe another C bug
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|
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
|
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
|
|
|
|
21-Jun-90 02:28:12 Sb: #4384-Maybe another C bug Fm: Bob van der Poel
|
|
76510,2203 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
|
|
|
Bob,
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|
|
|
I think errr.....I can't remember his name right now.....and ex UG president
|
|
uploaded an archive of the spell checker already ported to 6809 and the archive
|
|
included source and binaries for both 6809 and OSK versions. No fixing
|
|
required (grin). You probably came up with the same thing only faster.
|
|
|
|
Mark
|
|
|
|
#: 4580 S3/Languages
|
|
23-Jun-90 14:15:37
|
|
Sb: #4384-#Maybe another C bug
|
|
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
|
|
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
|
|
|
|
Mark;
|
|
|
|
I may have found an 'anomaly' in STERM. I was downloading some files this
|
|
morning, and after the 2nd one, I checked the transfer rate (ctrl Z). I don't
|
|
believe that it was only 34%, but that's what it told me.
|
|
|
|
Anyway, on the third file, after entering the name of the file for my
|
|
computer, instead of creating the 'download box', I got a line at the bottom of
|
|
the screen in reverse video of "*--------------------*" and another line at the
|
|
top of the screen, also in reverse video, of garbage chars. As the download
|
|
progressed, the byte counter incremented properly (and was readable), and after
|
|
completion (yes, it was successful), everything returned to normal. Upon
|
|
checking the xfer efficiency again, it was a phenomintl 327.6% !!!
|
|
|
|
Specifics: CoCo3, STERM v.1.3, invocation "sterm13", baud=2400, 38ms HD w/
|
|
B&B interface.
|
|
|
|
Next time I dl something, I'll see if I can duplicate the problem.
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|
|
|
..Jim
|
|
|
|
There is 1 Reply.
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|
|
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#: 4593 S3/Languages
|
|
24-Jun-90 08:04:52
|
|
Sb: #4580-Maybe another C bug
|
|
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
|
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jim,
|
|
|
|
Sterm Version 1.3 does have an elusive bug somewhere that causes that. I'm not
|
|
sure if it is in the termcap code, or Sterm's logic. I only noticed it a
|
|
couple times here, but I'm been running a slightly different version for the
|
|
past year or so. I'll be uploading that version in the near future and I hope
|
|
it fixes that bug for you.
|
|
|
|
Also, I noticed that you arn't using the -f flag when you start Sterm. If you
|
|
don't used this, Sterm assumes a "Classic" B transfer, which means no packet
|
|
send-ahead. You'd very likely get a 34% efficiency rate then. If you are
|
|
downloading to your hard drive, use the -f flag and you should get transfer
|
|
rates of around 72% - 78%.
|
|
|
|
Mark
|
|
|
|
#: 4539 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
21-Jun-90 00:15:53
|
|
Sb: #4390-MM/1
|
|
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
|
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
|
|
|
Kev,
|
|
|
|
Actually, we should be getting a machine out to a guy who has a very nice file
|
|
utilitity thingie.
|
|
|
|
So don't worry 'bout that stuff.
|
|
|
|
BTW, I saw a reference today in UNIX Review about ANSI standard display codes
|
|
for text attributes. Give me a call about that!
|
|
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
|
#: 4546 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
21-Jun-90 11:42:57
|
|
Sb: #Special deal
|
|
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
|
To: All
|
|
|
|
All,
|
|
|
|
Please take a look in the Hot Topics section. We at IMS and KLE have finally
|
|
made public a private offering originally made to subscribers to our insider
|
|
mailing. The offering is for $50 off an MM/1 base system (or better system,
|
|
too; the MM/1 kit is excluded).
|
|
|
|
Let me know here, in email, or at 202 232 4246 if you have questions.
|
|
|
|
If you WANT to follow up on the special offer, call 1 800 866 9084.
|
|
|
|
Thanks for all.
|
|
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
|
There are 2 Replies.
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|
|
|
#: 4554 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
21-Jun-90 23:03:02
|
|
Sb: #4546-#Special deal
|
|
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
|
|
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
|
|
|
|
Read the file... Nice to hear that it'll have a C compiler with it... When do
|
|
you expect to be able to ship the Millenium? Also, what keyboard would you
|
|
recommend with it? (I was gonna ask about a portable version, but, I'll call
|
|
you RSN, I promise :) --Eet--
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|
|
|
There is 1 Reply.
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|
|
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#: 4570 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
22-Jun-90 23:19:05
|
|
Sb: #4554-Special deal
|
|
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
|
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
|
|
|
|
Jim,
|
|
|
|
Yeah, call us about the portable idea. I would hate to have you duplicate any
|
|
efforts here.
|
|
|
|
BTW, the MM/1 is on schedule, should be ready at the end of the Summer, as
|
|
planned. Call 202 232 4246 for details.
|
|
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
|
#: 4594 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
24-Jun-90 08:32:29
|
|
Sb: #4546-Special deal
|
|
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
|
|
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
|
|
|
Hey Paul!
|
|
The deal looks good. I'm thinking. Meanwhile, what is this about a "KIT".
|
|
I saw that word once before in connection with the MM1, but I don't recall
|
|
seeing any details. Can I buy a schematic and a bag of parts (well - maybe
|
|
some instructions too, I'm not THAT good as a "hardware hacker").
|
|
If I want to put a hard drive on the MM1, I must get the second board,
|
|
right? And it must be a SCSI type? Is there any way to tie my existing Burke &
|
|
Burke interface into the basic MM1?
|
|
Decisions, decisions, - it's a good thing I don't have any hair to tear out.
|
|
John Wainwright
|
|
|
|
#: 4562 S3/Languages
|
|
22-Jun-90 17:26:30
|
|
Sb: #Help 'c' problem again
|
|
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
|
To: all
|
|
|
|
Why is'nt this program working. I want the program to keep looping until a
|
|
character other than 'd' is pressed char c; main() {
|
|
|
|
while(c=='d'); {
|
|
printf("this is a test\n");
|
|
c=getchar(); }
|
|
printf("\nIt works\n"); }
|
|
This is another reason why I think 'c' is such a confusing language.
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|
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 4563 S3/Languages
|
|
22-Jun-90 17:52:51
|
|
Sb: #4562-#Help 'c' problem again
|
|
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
|
|
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
|
|
|
Scott,
|
|
The culprit is the semicolon after the while(c=='d') statement. Delete it
|
|
and your routine should work fine.
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|
|
|
There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 4565 S3/Languages
|
|
22-Jun-90 21:10:18
|
|
Sb: #4563-#Help 'c' problem again
|
|
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
|
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
|
|
|
|
Well it does in a way. It repeats but it never escapes the loop even when I
|
|
type 'd'. I changed scanf(..) to c=getchar() and it does work in a way. In
|
|
Turbo 'c' there is a function called 'getche()' which returns a character when
|
|
the key is pressed, NOT after a CR. Is there a function in microware 'c'.
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|
|
|
There are 2 Replies.
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|
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#: 4566 S3/Languages
|
|
22-Jun-90 21:21:19
|
|
Sb: #4565-Help 'c' problem again
|
|
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
|
|
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
|
|
|
Take a look at my program in the dl 10 area called EZDIR.AR . Also if you need
|
|
it, I can upload some short C codes that I wrote to test single key entries.
|
|
The program HDO.AR also in dl 10 use single key entry exclusively.
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|
|
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|
|
#: 4581 S3/Languages
|
|
23-Jun-90 17:00:16
|
|
Sb: #4565-Help 'c' problem again
|
|
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
|
|
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
|
|
|
Buffered FILE I/O using the standard library functions is line oriented and not
|
|
well suited to reading single keypresses. It's better to use the low level
|
|
system call functions for this purpose:
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|
|
|
read(fileno(stdin),&c,1);
|
|
|
|
This will stop and return the next keypress. If you don't want the routine to
|
|
hang until a key is pressed use getstat() to check for data available:
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|
|
|
if(getstat(1,fileno(stdin))==0)
|
|
read(fileno(stdin),&c,1);
|
|
|
|
|
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|
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#: 4564 S3/Languages
|
|
22-Jun-90 19:56:06
|
|
Sb: #"C" programming
|
|
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
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|
To: All
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I am interested in learning "C". Could anyone possibly introduce me to some
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reference material for this language.
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Also, what is the "C" compiler that you recommend.
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Thanks,
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>>Rod<<
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 4579 S3/Languages
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23-Jun-90 14:14:34
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Sb: #4564-"C" programming
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Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
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To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
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Rodney;
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C compiler depends on which machine you have. For the CoCo, there's only the
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Tandy C compiler for about $100. There used to be others at a substantially
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higher price, but I'm not sure if they're still available.
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For reference materials, there's a file in (I think) Lib 1 called CTUTOR.AR
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which has many, many source code examples and some explanatory text. There's
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also 'C Primer+' by the Waite Group (a SAMS book) which should be available at
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any B. Dalton's or Waldenbooks. Easy reading and very helpful, although a bit
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shy on some examples. Another one that I've found helpful is 'ABC A Book on
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C', but it's at work and I don't remember the author's name.
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For specific questions, be sure to ask here... there's a several hundred
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years of experience available right here (I'm not one of them tho! ;-) ).
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...Jim
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/exit s
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#: 4584 S7/Telecommunications
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23-Jun-90 22:32:53
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Sb: ArcNet
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Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134
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To: 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin-
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How ya been? I have not heard anything out of you for some time. Frank
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came over tonite and he had gotten a lot of files thru his work which
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originated from ARCNET. How do we get on this. Seems to be a pretty
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interesting place.
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I've been using WizPro a lot and was wondering how much difference there
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was between CIS B+ and YModem. They both seem to use packet sizes of one
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K. Is YModem just as good as B+?
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Frank ordered his modem this week. He should have it soon. Would you
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like to trade modems with me? I like this Supra Modem because of its
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front power switch. Mine in newer and works just fine. Its a Smart One
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2400 baud. I have packaging and manual.
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I think that I can start to put together pieces for my hard drive I'm
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looking at a 42 meg. and eventually replacing my drives with 3.5 80
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tracks.
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By the way-- Picked up something on one of the arcnet messages. Is there
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much trouble with the Disto 1 meg board with the Tandy 512k upgrade or is
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this something that has already been fixed up?
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Hope to hear from you soon.
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Trucker-Bob
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-eof
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#: 4588 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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24-Jun-90 07:07:15
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Sb: #login
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: all
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Need to get the login from level 1 . Can you upload it? also can you send a
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copy of the patched version for lev 2?
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