informis
/
textfiles
1
0
Fork 0
Code Issues Pull Requests Packages Projects Releases Wiki Activity
textfiles/messages/ALANWESTON/1990/CIS06_05.txt

3746 lines
112 KiB
Plaintext
Raw Permalink Blame History

90 22:04:34
Sb: #3874-M$OS9Lvl query
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)
Thanks for both of your replies. The first is just what I needed.
I was able to read the M$OS9Lvl in the INIT module.
Actually M$OS9Lvl is a 4 byte value which holds lvl.ver.ver.rev
For example on my system OSK v2.2 is reads 1220 For Level I ver 2.2 rev 0
#: 3933 S13/Atari ST
29-May-90 10:46:17
Sb: #3636-#M$OS9Lvl query
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: David George 72240,134 (X)
David,
The way I have always used memory modules is to have the structure defining
its contents separate from the (already exisiting) structure for the module.
#include <module.h>
mod_exec *modlink(), *mod_ptr;
struct foo *foobar;
mod_ptr = modlink("init",0);
tmp = (char *) mod_ptr + mod_ptr->_mexec;
foobar = (struct foo *) tmp;
This will give you a pointer to the data area of the init module, which you
can acces with the structure you define after looking at init.a. This wil
be more "general" than defining a structure that includes all the module
header bologna.
Mark
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3962 S13/Atari ST
29-May-90 22:06:32
Sb: #3933-M$OS9Lvl query
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
Thanks for the reply. I already finished the program that I was working
on. The structure was typedef'd in module.h (mod_config) so I didn't have
to do it.
#: 3875 S10/Tandy CoCo
27-May-90 17:30:41
Sb: View.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
I just re-uploaded VIEW.AR to LIB10 with a couple of enhancements and fixes to
the 'reply' function.
Thi reply function now gives you the option of (S)tore formatted, store
(U)nformatted, (P)review, or (M)ail msg. to Eplex.
..Jim
#: 3876 S7/Telecommunications
27-May-90 17:31:28
Sb: #Remote term
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
I downloaded LOGIN.AR a while ago, and have a few questions that need some
answers that I can't find.
The AR file is l*o*n*g on programs, but very short on information on how to set
up a remote terminal. Is there a file in the libs that explains in a
step-by-step manner how to go about setting this up?
I'd like to connect the PCjr upstairs to the CoCo; from what I understand at
this point, I need to cable the CoCo RS232 output to the parallel port on the
jr and have a terminal program running on the jr. Is this a correct assumption
on my part? What else do I need to do?
...Jim
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3879 S7/Telecommunications
27-May-90 21:22:26
Sb: #3876-#Remote term
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
> ... need to cable the CoCo rs232 output to the parallel port on the jr ...
Whoops!
Jim, I hope you meant to the serial port on the jr. And yes ... it needs to be
running some type of termianal program.
Pete's file SERIAL.TXT in LIB 1 should fill in the gray areas, complete with
cable diagrams.
Give a shout if we can help.
Steve
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3903 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 14:51:19
Sb: #3879-Remote term
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
~ Steve;
Yeah, yeah, that's the one! Serial port. I knew that!
It's been a while since I read SERIAL.TXT, hafta go back and pay attention this
time!
I'm sure I'll have more q's as I get into this, so stick around. I never kept
any messages relating to re-addressing a 2nd RS232, so I'll definitely have
some on that subject (unless I can get my hot little hands on an MM/1 before
having to purchase another 232 for the CoCo). Figured on using an A/B box for
now, just as a test environment.
Thanks,
...Jim
#: 3877 S10/Tandy CoCo
27-May-90 17:32:02
Sb: Move.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
Ooops, I think that I included the wrong soudce and executable in the upload
to Move.ar this morning.
At any rate, I just re-submitted it with the correct modules. Sorry if I caused
anybody any inconvenience.
...Jim
#: 3878 S10/Tandy CoCo
27-May-90 17:53:21
Sb: #3873-Selecting windows
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
~ Tony;
When you log on and get to a point where you want to start 'reading'
messages, open your capture buffer and start reading nmn-stop. (You can set
your options at the top of the forum to read messages non-stop.)
When you're done, log off, close your capture buffer, and either quit your
terminal program or switch screens.
Now, call View using the filename that you saved the messages in: for example
if you called your message file for today txt0527, you would type
OS9:View txt0527
The program will ask you if you want to use multip e save files, search for a
text string, and then proceed to display the messages one at a time. You can
(F)ile them, (P)rint them, read the (N)ext one, (R)eply or (Q)uit.
Read the doc file in the ar and if you have more questions after that, give a
shout.
I average about 2 mins or less per day on-line @ 2400 baud (any more and my
wife would kill me!) for reading new messages and any replies that I transmit.
...Jim
#: 3880 S7/Telecommunications
27-May-90 21:26:35
Sb: #3872-WizPro
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 (X)
Lemme know if you need more...
#: 3881 S5/OS9 Users Group
27-May-90 21:32:51
Sb: #'Fest
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: 76703,4227 (X)
Are you going to Georgia in the Fall?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3890 S5/OS9 Users Group
28-May-90 01:52:29
Sb: #3881-#'Fest
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Yes, absolutely. You're going also, aren't you? I think it's gonna be pretty
big.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3942 S5/OS9 Users Group
29-May-90 16:06:07
Sb: #3890-#'Fest
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Ah yup, if schedule permits. Wanna go together? Eiet (either... can't get this
1100FD/Telcom to BSP/DEL) in the Camper or not... er in the Car?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3950 S5/OS9 Users Group
29-May-90 18:47:06
Sb: #3942-#'Fest
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Sure. Car or camper? Hmm. Tough choice! Got cruise control on the camper? And
good A/C? <grin>
Also, seems like i saw someone who was having awful BSP problems and it turned
out he was running ANSI emulation or something.. and it conflicted somehow? Got
me. No expert here.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3960 S5/OS9 Users Group
29-May-90 21:10:13
Sb: #3950-#'Fest
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yup, the Camper has cruise, and air, although if temp is high it won't cool
"house". Nice thingie about the camper is... well... camping! I fixed the BSP
problem... I quit using Deskmate Telcom! <grin> BTW, how far is it to the
'fest. Got any idea?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4008 S5/OS9 Users Group
30-May-90 20:38:50
Sb: #3960-#'Fest
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
It seems to me like I used to get from here to Atlanta in 5 hours (last time I
went that way was 1971 or so!)... but no real idea. Better grab a map <g>.
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4033 S5/OS9 Users Group
31-May-90 21:55:12
Sb: #4008-#'Fest
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
'fest? Atlanta?
Have I missed something?
Steve
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4039 S5/OS9 Users Group
01-Jun-90 00:49:59
Sb: #4033-#'Fest
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve - yah, you musta been sleeping? <grin>
Rainbow isn't having a fall fest. So we suggested our own fest in the
southeast. A coupla Atlanta clubs have taken it up, and I hear they've about
nailed down a Holiday Inn already, in fact.
Sometime around first coupla weeks of October, is the timeframe. Most vendors
seem to be going, and it should be quite a good CoCo/OS9 show. Kent's already
scoping out airlines in fact <grin>.
Must be them Georgia peaches.
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4049 S5/OS9 Users Group
01-Jun-90 16:20:35
Sb: #4039-'Fest
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
Be nice to Steve, now! <grin> Most of the 'fest chatter has been on the Hayes
BBS and over on the other place, I don't remember any mention here recently, if
at all.
I'm really looking forward to this 'fest. I WILL be going, and it'll be my
first.
Bill
#: 4075 S5/OS9 Users Group
02-Jun-90 10:49:33
Sb: #4039-'Fest
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hmmm ...
I'm with Bill . I don't recall seeing any mention here save for the usual 'o
gee, whycantitbeinnamethecityofyourchoice'.
Interesting developement, I'd say.
Steve
#: 4043 S5/OS9 Users Group
01-Jun-90 05:00:59
Sb: #4008-#'Fest
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I vote for taking the Camper.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4044 S5/OS9 Users Group
01-Jun-90 07:02:28
Sb: #4043-#'Fest
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
I think I agree (camper). At least can move around in it!
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4107 S5/OS9 Users Group
04-Jun-90 04:51:39
Sb: #4044-'Fest
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yeah, and we can use computer(s) in it. At least I did this weekend. However, I
have not heard anything further from the "hosts".
#: 3882 S3/Languages
27-May-90 22:01:38
Sb: #3870-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Give me a call anytime after 5PM weekdays, wor anytime weekends, up to ~11PM.
919-675-2426. Got tomorrow, so call during the day if you wish.
Zack
#: 3886 S3/Languages
27-May-90 23:54:03
Sb: #3870-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony,
If you have no assembly experience then I can see that you might have a bit of
trouble figuring out an _os9() call. Here's the source of a function that will
read the joystick status:
#include <os9.h>
_gs_joy(path,joy,but,x,y)
int path,joy,*but,*x,*y;
{
struct registers r;
r.rg_a=path;
r.rg_b=SS_JOY;
r.rg_x=joy;
if(_os9(I_GETSTT,&r)==-1)
return -1;
*but=(int)r.rg_a;
*x=r.rg_x;
*y=r.rg_y;
return 0;
}
The parameters are:
path = path number to a window or to term. Be sure not to pass a FILE
pointer. ie use fileno(stdin) and not stdin here.
joy = 0 for right joystick. 1 for left joystick.
but = pointer to an integer to receive the button status. Returns:
0 for none, 1 for button 1 down, 2 for button 2 down, 3 for both
buttons down
x =x value (0 to 63)
y = y value (0 to 63)
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3917 S3/Languages
29-May-90 00:54:21
Sb: #3886-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Ahhh. Finally something that looks familiar. I have some assembly experience,
but NOT WITH OS9. I've played around under rsdos with super edtasm and an I/O
board that I made, but some of the stuff I see for assmebly under os9 looks
sooooo alien. Wwhat are all those $$$$? I guess Zack though I said assembly
instead of C. I'll take a look at your example and see if I can figure it out.
THANX TC
There are 3 Replies.
#: 3924 S3/Languages
29-May-90 05:17:21
Sb: #3917-C and JOoysticks
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
OS-9 assembly language is no big deal; all you have to do is remember the
following:
1. position-independent, re-entrant code (too bad the folks at Sierra didn't
remember this one)
2. the operating system gives you memory (paste a copy of the diagram that
appears with F$Fork by your monitor, to make it easy to recall how to get to
it)
#: 3943 S3/Languages
29-May-90 16:23:51
Sb: #3917-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
I didn't misunderstand you, I realized you were asking about C and not
assembler. Its just that even though C has a very rivh function library, there
are many things OS9 can do which are covered with specific function calls.
That's the purpose of the _os9() function. Check it out on page 3-26 in the
Microware C manual. It serves the same purpose as BASIC09's SYSCALL function.
(well, similar). The _os9() function gives you the ability to make all the
Getstat and Setstat calls in the OS9 tech ref which are not covered by a
function in the function library.
Also, note in the example code which was posted has a syntax error. A return
statement which is intended to return a value must have the value enclosed in
parentheses, ie, return(-1);
Zack
Oh yes, all those $$$ in a assembler listing is probably references to base 16
numbers. $20 is decimal 32, etc.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3949 S3/Languages
29-May-90 18:23:58
Sb: #3943-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
I believe you're wrong about the need for parenthesis with a return statement.
The syntax is simply 'return expression;'. Parenthesis are purely optional.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3964 S3/Languages
29-May-90 22:19:34
Sb: #3949-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
The parenthses MAY be optional but they are the K&R Standard, which Microware C
is modelled after.
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4002 S3/Languages
30-May-90 17:32:25
Sb: #3964-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
I think that it is a bit too strong to say that the use of parentheses with a
return statement is K&R standard. It IS a common style. I broke myself of the
habit because I tended to type 'return()' when no value was to be returned.
The COCO compiler chokes on this. It can be argued that using parentheses is
undesirable since it makes the return statement look like a function call,
which it isn't. On the other hand, the parentheses can make the code read more
clearly, especially within a complex line of code. In the end it is a matter of
style and personal preference.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4014 S3/Languages
30-May-90 22:19:00
Sb: #4002-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
I don't think is strong at all to say that it is the K&R standard. After all,
if you look on page 68 and 70 of K&R, you'll plainly see that the format of the
return statement is "return(expression)". On page 68, the book goes on to say,
that the main purpose of the return statement is not to simply return to the
caller but to return a value to the caller, but if no value is expected by the
caller, then no expression is needed at all, in which case the returned value
is garbage. It doesn't mention it, but the "accepted" standard for that form of
the return statement is sio simply "return" with no parentheses at all.
Admittedly, in the appendix on page 203, the return statement is described with
it's expression not enclosed in quotes, so there is some ambiguity, but I
disagree that it "is common style". I have seen a lot of C code on several
different platforms in the past few years, and NOWHERE have I seen the return
statement used to pass a value without the parentheses. It may be YOUR common
style, but it not EVERYBODY'S common style.
But, since the compiler apparently accepts it inthe format which you describe,
then the usage of parentheses is a matter of personal preference, but I don't
recommend it's use, as other compilers may croak. I don't have a copy of the
second printing of K&R (based on the ANSi standard) so I'm not sure if the
current standard requires the () or not.
Zack
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4016 S3/Languages
30-May-90 22:33:42
Sb: #4014-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Trust me--although K&R in the body of K&R 1st edition always parenthesize the
expressions they use in return statements, the appendix was as near to a
standard as existed pre-X3J11, and it just says expression. Since a
parenthesized expression is an expression, it's just as acceptable
syntactically, though some may argue on stylistic grounds one way or another.
The ANSI standard simply says expression, so neither it nor K&R *require*
parentheses.
I have no way of knowing for sure, but...I bet that the K&R 1st edition
practice (adding redundant parentheses) may have arisen under the influence of
PL/I, which *does* insist on the parentheses in RETURN statements.
After spending a long time influenced by the style of K&R 1st edition, I have
moved over to the point of view that argues that return(expression) looks too
much like a function call, so I omit those redundant parentheses. (I use
redundant parentheses freely to avoid playing more-macho-than-thou games
involving detailed knowledge of the umpteen, often counterintuitive, levels of
precedence of the various operators of C.)
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4023 S3/Languages
31-May-90 16:14:23
Sb: #4016-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
I bow to your obvious experiance in the matter, but (being an old PL/1
programmer from way back) prefer the redundant () for the return statement.
Ahh, to each his/her own!
Zack
#: 4059 S3/Languages
01-Jun-90 20:49:31
Sb: #4016-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James, I'm glad to see a PROFESSIONAL programmer who agrees with me that C
precedence is impossible to remember. In Boolean expressions I write C like
"infix LISP."
I also use return(expr) since "return expr" looks too sleezy (as in BASIC).
--mike k
#: 4017 S3/Languages
30-May-90 23:38:12
Sb: #4014-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
Of the three books on C in my library, Purdum always uses parentheses,
Gehani never does and Hogan says they're not required but that many use them
for clarity. There is a diversity in this usage and I would say that any
compiler that required parentheses with return is definitly non-standard. It
is a question of style and I think the most compelling argument is Occam's
Razor--why hit the shift key if you don't need to. Still I think a line like:
return (strcmp(s1,s2)==1) ? s1 : s2;
does benefit by being written
return((strcmp(s1,s2)==1) ? s1 : s2);
although the two do compile the same.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4024 S3/Languages
31-May-90 16:16:07
Sb: #4017-#C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
OK, so maybe it isn't as much of a "standard" as I may have implied earlier,
but I'm so used to using them now, it'll be hard for me to give them up!
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4025 S3/Languages
31-May-90 16:21:50
Sb: #4024-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
Sure, there's nothing wrong with using the parentheses. Probably more people
use them than don't.
#: 3947 S3/Languages
29-May-90 18:15:32
Sb: #3917-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Oh, you have done some assembly work. Those '$' as in 'os9 I$Write' are op
system calls which translate as 'SWI ;FCB code' in standard 6809 assembler.
'I$Write' is a symbol defined in os9defs and is equal to the system call code.
What you do is load up the registers CPU with the appropriate values as
documented in the tech manual, execute the sys call with the 'os9' psuedo op,
the op system does what it does and then returns to calling program with the
CPU registers modified as documented. The C function _os9(code,reg) loads the
registers with the values contained in the structure pointed to by reg and then
calls the system call specified by code. The structure for the register values
and symbols for the sys call codes are defined in os9.h. You ought to list
os9.h and have a look at it. This should make things clearer.
#: 3884 S3/Languages
27-May-90 22:06:17
Sb: #3871-C and JOoysticks
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
SS.JOY is a "getstat" call. Getstat is a generic call to ask for various status
type information for various IO devices. To determine which information is
being requested getstat requries a "function code". In this case function code
$13 tells getstat that it is a SS.JOY call. Call me and I'll be gald (whoops,
that's glad!) to discuss it with you, voice.
Zack
#: 3883 S15/Hot Topics
27-May-90 22:02:38
Sb: #3766-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Yo, Bill !!!
How's it going back in Maryland. Esther and I are just about to get settled
in. Sure is peaceful and quiet here!!! Getting started on the History book
too!
Did you get the article for UltraScience that I sent to you back in January.
Haven't seen an MOTD since we arrived in Kansas in early February.
Stay in touch!
Dale
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3940 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 16:04:20
Sb: #3883-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 (X)
Glad things are quiet! I did get the article, although I did not publish. I had
probs with the graphics & ran short of time. I just picked up a Tandy 1100FD
today. Trying it out now. Can't get Telcom to Backspace/Delete! If you can't
see this line I got it to wo D D/exit
#: 3913 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:43:23
Sb: #3687-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
$700 machine with $700 free software? Paul, you'll be known as the Drew A
Kaplan (DAK) of the East Coast. Please don't take that as an insult -- his
catalog ad copy is a blast to read, almost up there with Doc Smith's "Lensmen"
novels. ^-).
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3923 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 05:13:15
Sb: #3913-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
I don't know about that--I haven't seen DAK use the word "coruscating" or the
phrase "luckless wight" even once! (Much less "zwilnik" :-)
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4054 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:21:22
Sb: #3923-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Just wait till Drew K has played with his Thesaurus program another month! I
think "coruscating" is actually a real English word! "Wight" sounds like
something out of a madrigal.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4064 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:15:45
Sb: #4054-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
Yes, coruscating is a real English word, you betcha! All Things Considered
talked to someone from the OED, and the woman from NPR didn't know what
coruscating meant. If she'd had a background in *real* literature, she'd have
been familiar with "coruscating"! (Darned neo-Luddite media types...)
#: 3930 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 10:31:26
Sb: #3913-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
Mike,
Drew Kaplan is one of my IDOLS, watch OUT!
Yes, actually the software may be worth more than $700 if you bought it on the
street.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4056 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:25:55
Sb: #3930-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Uh-oh. Well, I'll bear that in mind when reading your ads :-).
#: 3912 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:39:26
Sb: #3590-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X)
Yeah, I typed a bunch of Aliases into my UN*X shell at work to let me use OS9
del, dir, list, etc. Unforch a co-worker saw me doing it and thought I was
making it compatible with MS-DOS! Shou8uld have made him bite his tongue off.
#: 3894 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 03:47:43
Sb: #3689-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Lessee...I've got his address in my Arexx manual... I'll go back over to
AmigaTech and check the member directory... I've chatted with him over there,
but never made note of his CIS ID. --Eet--
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3898 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 13:35:50
Sb: #3894-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
Jim,
Thx for tracking down that Rexx stuff. I know that twoof the AMiga vendors
thatrt are in the MM/1 developers alliance have expressed a desire to have
Arexx.
Just email me that address when you find it!
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3920 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 04:32:19
Sb: #3898-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Okay, I emailed it to you. Dunno if he'll do the port... lemme know how it
goes. --Eet--
#: 3885 S15/Hot Topics
27-May-90 22:31:33
Sb: #3339-Tomcat Computer
Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Hi Frank:
Didn't talk to you in Chicago Rainbowfest. You were extremely busy then.
Is there a plan for a 80x86 board for you TC9 system?
I just want see some form of CAD program run under OS9 or OS9000.
Nam
#: 3887 S10/Tandy CoCo
28-May-90 01:30:29
Sb: #3845-ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Dotti Rhodes 76334,3212
dotti- I haven't saved a game myself yet, I usally play them till I get killed
off, so I haven't "lived " long enough yet, ha! but seriously do you have ANY
version of os9? 1.2 or such? you can even run lvI I but after booting up use
'backup' command to make a double copy. you can do this even with one disk
drive, read the docs on it but leave me a note if you can't find out. level one
works ok on the 3 only 1.3 though. hope this helps . best, wayne laird
#: 3888 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 01:34:17
Sb: #3675-#Help
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
hey pete, did I ask you if your bbs was still running so that i could keep ti
on my list? best regards wayne COCOS9ER!
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3936 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 11:36:53
Sb: #3888-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
Wayne -
Well, it's still running (has been since 1985 or so), but it's not really a
BBS. There's mail & files, but the system is more like a unix system (i.e. no
BBS'isms like message bases, games, privelege levels, etc.). Just OS9 (with
some enhancements) doing its thing.
Pete
#: 3935 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 11:35:02
Sb: #3816-#Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Hmmm... was 'dircopy' written in a Pascal flavor? I seem to remember something
about that. Also, it SHOULD work anywhere, unless he specifically opened /TERM
in his code. Have a look and see what you can find.
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3979 S7/Telecommunications
30-May-90 01:18:57
Sb: #3935-Help
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
no it was written in C. The Computerware version was written in Pascal,
supposedly. I'll bring the sourve with me if I get a chan ce to come out & see
your system. I think he did some 68K specific calls, but I'm not that sure
about C & OS9 just yet. I really could use some pointers, and I don't mean *.
TC
#: 3889 S10/Tandy CoCo
28-May-90 01:47:49
Sb: #3558-#The Dungeon Depths
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
floyd, got your game from alanta, ga and I'd like some help, I don't know a
whole lot about windows can you recommend how to open one for your game? and I
don't have/run multi-vue will the game run without it? I LOVE gauntelet! did
you program/teleport it? best, regards, wayne laird
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3997 S10/Tandy CoCo
30-May-90 12:08:27
Sb: #3889-The Dungeon Depths
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
Actually, the only similarity between my game and Gauntelet is the basic theme
of running around mazes while you have a bird's eye view. As far as setting up
the proper screen to run the game in, type this at an OS9 prompt:
wcreate /w2 -s=8 0 0 40 24 1 0 0 ; depths <>>>/w2& You may have to use a
different window that /w2. Have fun!
Floyd
#: 3891 S10/Tandy CoCo
28-May-90 01:56:12
Sb: #3558-#The Dungeon Depths
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
one more thing floyd, I can't find your font file anywhere which library did
you upload it to? -w.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3998 S10/Tandy CoCo
30-May-90 12:10:18
Sb: #3891-The Dungeon Depths
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
It may have been deleted by the Sysop. I re-uploaded the game with all the
files. If you like, you can either download the game again or download the
font archive (I think I got it from here). I used the gothic font found in
that archive.
Floyd
#: 3892 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 02:31:38
Sb: #3867-#H+L
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Hi TC,
I haven't had any problems with Plain Rap. Do you hit <CR> when you are
connected? I know some of the OS9 BBS's are that way. I just don't know if I do
it or not. I do know that Jim's board has no problems as of Sat. But something
is wrong. Good Luck.
Butch
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3914 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 00:26:18
Sb: #3892-#H+L
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
I talked to Jim on Manday. Everything was ok on his end. I finally got logged
in after about 6 calls. He called me back later that night.
TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3927 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 09:20:25
Sb: #3914-#H+L
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Hi,
What was the problem? Do you use Daynastar? I'm having a problem with it and
was looking for someone that uses it.
Butch
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3978 S7/Telecommunications
30-May-90 01:16:10
Sb: #3927-#H+L
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Paul Pollock uses it. His phone (voice) is still the same. TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3988 S7/Telecommunications
30-May-90 02:06:39
Sb: #3978-H+L
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
TC,
Thanks,
Butch
#: 3893 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 02:52:04
Sb: #3854-#PT68K
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
Hi Ed!
Just thought I'd say hello on line -- haven't seen you in a while!
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3895 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 04:48:35
Sb: #3893-#PT68K
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Hi Paul!
Good to hear from you. While I don't contribute much, I'm usually here every
couple of days or so to see what's going on.
While I have you, I didn't get your last mailing on the MM1. Looking forward
to seeing it in August(?).
Ed
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3899 S7/Telecommunications
28-May-90 13:37:56
Sb: #3895-#PT68K
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
Ed,
I'll send out stuff today. MM/1 has a RESPONSIBLY DETERMINED ship date of
August. Development units are shipping now, andthe only small changes that are
being made allow for several daughter boards in development.
The bus is in great shape, too, and you should keep an eye out here for news
that will interest you.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3921 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 04:33:20
Sb: #3899-#PT68K
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Once I can afford Dev status on the Millenium, I wanna get a portable
version... possible? --Eet--
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3931 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 10:33:00
Sb: #3921-PT68K
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
The LCD display is the hardest thing to get working -- you know, to follow the
mouse and so on.
BUt the form factor is right for a portable, I believe. We should probably talk
about this on the phone some day. GIve me a call at 202/232/4246.
Paul
#: 3896 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 11:52:18
Sb: #3795-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Frank - if you do redo the TC70 announcement, you might want to correct
something (assuming I'm right):
I don't think the 070 will go 19Mhz... that may be the external frequency
input, but that's divided by two to get the true cpu clock, you see. So that
should probably be 9.5Mhz instead. That would reflect the normal 68K clock
speed value used in computer specifications.
best - kev
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3901 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 13:43:57
Sb: #3896-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
Thx for pointing that out first. I don't want anyone to think >I< sling mud!
<grin>
Yeah, with the actual clock speed of the TC70 running at about 9 MHz, and with
video chip/CPU contention over memory, I'd be surprised if the TC70 would
greatly outperfrom a CoCo 3. Not bad for a $1000 machine ....
<Ducking Frank's blows>
Paul
There are 3 Replies.
#: 3909 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:23:25
Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Uh, Paul and Kev, can you straighten this out? Is the 15 MHz speed advertised
for the MM1 also needing to be divided by 2, so we end up with the same 7.5 as
an Amiga? Hey, I'll still take one, but have you got a teflon mud deflector on
the MM1? --mike k
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3918 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 01:25:59
Sb: #3909-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
Mike - yikes, didn't meant to start anything. But to answer your question, no,
the 070 on their MM/1 uses a 30Mhz clock... which divided by two gives the
15Mhz speed.
Note that it's only with the 68070 that you have to do this divide... it's a
chip with a cpu, timer, serial and other stuff, y'see. If you see "16Mhz 68020"
for example, then it means 16Mhz.
#: 3929 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 10:30:28
Sb: #3909-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
No, Mike, the CLOCK is 30 MHz, which is divided by two to get the 15 MHz speed.
Actually, a full MM/1 system with the CPU board and I/O board runs at around
1000 Drystones, while an Amiga (according to the Dhrystone ratings I have here)
runs around 350 Dhrystones. That seems too slow to be real, but I guess the
Amiga has no choice but to share memory with the graphics chips, causing the
CPU to wait.
Does that reflect the truth, Kevin Darling? Does this mean that an MM/1 will be
up to 2.5 times faster than an Amiga?
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3937 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 13:49:33
Sb: #3929-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
I have no idea. Is it the same Dhrystone? You have to be careful... there are
several versions out there.
The only thing to do is to run the same program, under OSK on both the Amiga
and the MM/1 (and the ST, and the PT, etc etc). That way everything is fair.
Hmm. Of course, if you know it's the same D version, then we can compare it
with the amiga, as long as we realize that benchmarks are just general
comparisons. And you'd have to compare a fat amiga with fast ram, to an mm/1
with the extra fast ram installed. Etc.
It'll definitely be faster than a stock amiga, yes. How much faster depends on
amount of fast and/or video ram, and video resolution (if running from shared
video ram, mm/1 should be faster).
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3951 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 19:10:47
Sb: #3937-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
I DO know that it is the SAME Dhrystone program. It came on the PT 68K that
Pease sent to me, and its the same Dhrystone that Pease ran on his CoCo that
ran about 270 Ds under Level 2.
Of course, a 270 D CoCo 3 is FAR more productive than a 5000 D super IBM
thingie. So Drhystone is not really meaningful in terms of sheer productivity.
Paul
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3981 S15/Hot Topics
30-May-90 01:22:47
Sb: #3951-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
but what was the Dhrystone that was run on the Amiga?? (didn't know there was
one.) an MM/1 running at 15 mhz should logically be faster than a stock amiga
running at 7.14 mhz, I would think. --Eet--
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4061 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:12:37
Sb: #3981-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
Yeah, according to the DStone docs I had, the SAME program was compiled and run
on the Amiga. Which compiler, I do not know.
A base case MM/1 runs about twice as fast as an Amiga on most things. Peak
performance is three times as fast on most things.
At least according the the DStone stuff.
Paul
post
#: 4100 S15/Hot Topics
03-Jun-90 22:59:01
Sb: #3981-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
THere are some differences in the 68070 execution speeds and 68000 exec speeds.
The 070 has a little overhead. So a 15 MHz 68070 runs like a 13 Mhz 68000 -- of
course our graphics chip helps out alot, and DMA is especially nice in
improving the feel of the computer. It does scream, even when we exercise a
complicated graphics demo in another window.
One demo was flipping through ten pictures as fast as they could load into
buffers from ram disk, while we ran Procs and formatted a floppy and did
several other things. Even on a floppy-only system, we still had EXCELLENT
responsiveness. The floppies transfer data twice as fast as a CoCo, and with
DMA, to a Dir command executed concurrently with all that above stuff is pretty
darn smooth.
Paul
#: 4019 S15/Hot Topics
31-May-90 07:41:22
Sb: #3951-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Paul, since Dhrystones seem to be so uninformative, why not use Rhealstones
instead? (org. ref. DDJ 02/89)
William
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4065 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:16:22
Sb: #4019-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
Good idea! Realstones and Khornerstones seem to make certain sense.
Of course,t he DStone I was using actually documented quite a few computers
that had run exactly the same version, so we could compare the MM/1 against
hundreds of other computers. Faster that some PDP mainframes, btw.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4118 S15/Hot Topics
05-Jun-90 00:29:59
Sb: #4065-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
The Rhealstone also runs through the OS rather than on top of it, so it is not
a separate process. The benchmark also has a strict reporting standard to
discourage "accidental" cheating. The weighting report allows one computer to
do well in some areas while another does well in other areas. This will cut
down the bragging, but customers will appreciate unbiased information.
William
#: 3922 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 04:38:13
Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Talk about mud slinging... Michael Haaland (sp) sure tossed some wet, sloppy
ones in that 'press release' file-type thing... The MM/1's interlace 'flicker'
is every bit as good as the Amiga's, it has to be, that's an NTSC standard,
like you see on your tv. I heard that he compared them using a long-persistance
monitor on the MM/1... maybe if he used a Microway FlickerFixer or an A3000
with a multisync monitor, he might not have noticed the Amiga's flicker at
all... but that's just speculating. Potential MM/1 buyers should NOT worry at
all about the 'flicker'. Consider... Mac users pay extra money to get their
computers to 'flicker'. <grin> --Eet--
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3925 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 06:42:56
Sb: #3922-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
Ah good, you beat me to it <grin>. Yes, hey Paul! Better yank out that bit
about interlace flicker being less on the MM/1 than on the Amiga. _Any_
computer with interlace will flicker some, depending on picture content and
monitor being used. Computer type doesn't matter.
(thx Jim!)
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3973 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 23:46:25
Sb: #3925-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
Promptly yanked out! The release is now a rerelease -- sans the Amiga comment!
However, for the record, I have had a fair amount of contact with the Amiga and
with the MM/1 -- I still see LESS flicker on the MM/1 -- so the diff must be in
the monitor used or in the particular graphics pictures I have had the luck to
see.
And Mr. Haaland saw quite a few interlace pics at the Fest, and agreed with all
of us that it was quite a stable pict
So, OK, sorry I goofed, but it was an honest mistake.
Cringing,
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3983 S15/Hot Topics
30-May-90 01:25:58
Sb: #3973-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Well, the MM/1 has RGB analog video, right? Which means I (and others) could
use an Amiga 1084 monitor with it (among others)... and if they get an MM/1
(oops, MILLENIUM :) after hearing/reading that it's got less/no flicker, and
then it flickers the same amount... well, you don't want to face that problem,
do you? <grin> Didn't want to start an RWar, just didn't want people phreaking
later when the lace on the Millenium is noticed. --Eet--
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4057 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:37:30
Sb: #3983-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
Say Jim, you defend the Amiga a lot, and I've learned a lot about them from you
(like how cost-effective the right model can be). Do you have OSK on your
Amiga(s)? If not, do you hope/expect to? Is that Aussie port selling at all
well? Any grafix on the horizon, other than Kev's someday?
#: 4062 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:14:33
Sb: #3983-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
Jim,
Yeah, the lace is noticeable on the MM/1 but only on one or two of the dozen
pics I have seen. I cannot explain why it looks nicer.
Paul
Thanks for keeping me up to speed on the hardware stuff -- the video out is the
same as the Amiga -- expect we get a little more resolution.
#: 3932 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 10:36:13
Sb: #3922-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
Jim,
Actually, both Mike and I looked at the SAME interlace pictures at the
Rainbowfest, and Kevin Pease (our designer) agreed with us that it seemed to
flicker less than the Amiga.
Since I posted that press release, we have learned that, theoretically, there
should be no difference. I guess we have all been unlucky enough to have been
viewing interlace pictures that don't flicker alot because of the colors they
use.
Wrists are slapped. I apologize -- although this is an honest mistake -we've
just been going on what our eyes have told us!
Paul
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3952 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 19:53:00
Sb: #3932-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Flicker is a function of persistance. Interlace displays have a high
persistance, noninterlace have a low one. If you want to do high speed graphics
you need a low persistance.
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3971 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 23:38:03
Sb: #3952-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Mark,
Thanks -- I think I've learned my lesson on this one! The converse is that low
speed graphics (interlace mode) requires the persistence that apparently OUR
monitors had, compared to the Amiga monitors I have seen.
Although I actually thought that most of those Amiga monitors were functionally
equivalent to the Magnavox 85CM15 I've been using on the MM/1.
Best,
Paul
#: 3985 S15/Hot Topics
30-May-90 01:28:39
Sb: #3952-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Flicker is _affected_ by persistance... I don't think I'd go so far as to say
it's a function of persistance. --Eet--
#: 3984 S15/Hot Topics
30-May-90 01:27:46
Sb: #3932-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Don't blame you. I'm using an interlaced display right now on my Amiga, very,
very very little flicker... because of the colors. (tho when I go back to a
non-lace screen, sometimes it seems to 'bounce' <grin>). personally, I think
the sweat over flicker is overdone, anyway... who notices the flicker in their
TV set? --Eet--
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4058 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:41:52
Sb: #3984-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
My concern is that horizxontal lines only one pixel high, on a contrasting
background, will flicker. Music staves, ya know. If I draw them double height,
then flicker will be less, but then might as well not use the doubled interlace
resolution at all. I saw lots of those pix at the Fest too, and flicker was
noticeable if you looked for it when each picture first came up. But "natural"
pix don't have the contrast that sharp horizontal lines do.
Any CAD/CAM types here want to comment?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4101 S15/Hot Topics
03-Jun-90 23:02:57
Sb: #4058-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
Mike,
If you can come up with a solution to the stave flicker problem, you've got a
client in Florida who will be VERY happy.
BTW, I have yet to upload the details of that deal we have -- need to get data
from my partner.
Paul
#: 4063 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:15:03
Sb: #3984-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
Excellent point!
#: 3955 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 20:08:32
Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Paul
What <SPLAT> you *KAPOW* sling (PLOP) mud! {SLIME?] Naw #FLOP# not (FLOP,
KAPOW) you.
Slime???
Frank Hogg
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3956 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 20:12:07
Sb: #3955-#oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Paul
Now you gotta watch yourself, anything bad you say about the TC70 reflects on
the mmi.
Be careful out there.
Frank Hogg \
PS Slime???
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3974 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 23:50:36
Sb: #3956-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Frank,
Actu{lly, not true. There are great many differences between the mm/1 and the
{C70.~r (Sorry for the garbage on the lid8ne.)
And even if the computers were identical, there are issues of support,
marketing, available software, and so on, that all r6#{eflect on the company.
No one will argue that the folks at IMS are different from the folk(s) at FHL!
Actually, Frank, it is good to see that Hazelwood saw the light on an 070
system. <grin>
Guess the MM/1 was a great idea that deserved some reasonable competition.
Regards,
Paul (with slightly sullied hands! Grin)
#: 3972 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 23:40:36
Sb: #3955-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Frank,
Nah, not me.
Just about everyone who knows me knows I don't sling mud. WHich is different
than calling a spade a spade!
I don't think anyone who has been watching this sordid business <grin> would
say that I did anything to alter the reputation of FHL one IOTA!
Best regards,
Paul
#: 3954 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 20:04:59
Sb: #3896-oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
You're right, I screwed up. It does run at 15Mhz which is as fast as the '70
will go. I had my numbers wrong. Shows to go me for working till all hours.
Still it is the best of the two with 50% more RAM and an AT keyboard and K-Bus
and it mounts on a drive etc etc.
Keep up the good work.
Frank
#: 3902 S6/Applications
28-May-90 14:07:24
Sb: #3813-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Mike Stephenson 71655,415
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
~
TONY;
There is a 'trick' to using the RS-OS9 version 1.0 of DYNACALC.
The manual would have you believe that the file dynacalc.trm should be
in your current DATA directory. A much easier way to run DynaCalc is to
set the execution attribute and place the file dynacalc.trm in your
EXECUTION directory.
You see DynaCalc looks for dynacalc.trm in your current DATA directory
FIRST. Then if not found in the DATA directory, it looks in your
EXECUTION directory LAST. If not found in either it errors out.
This function of DynaCalc is internal to DynaCalc and doesn't matter
whether you are using the STOCK SHELL or SHELL+. (I'm using SHELL+)
With dynacalc.trm in your EXECUTION directory you may run DynaCalc
anywhere on your HD tree, with an AIF or otherwise, provided the target
file has the '.cal' extension.
Using a name of 'AIF.cal' for your aif file name will further enhance
your ability to run all of your files automatically while in Multi-Vue.
Best,
Mike
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3915 S6/Applications
29-May-90 00:31:21
Sb: #3902-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Mike Stephenson 71655,415
I got Dcalc up and running ok now. I even have different colored windows to run
it in from aif files. I'm not sure why I had the errors earlier. How can you
have more than 1 aif with a .cal extension in the same directory? Your messag
implied I could run multiple files from an aif called aif.cal. How do you pass
a different filename to only one aif without re-editing it? Aalso what did you
mean by the RSDOS version of dynacalc? I'm running dynacalc under os9. TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3941 S6/Applications
29-May-90 16:04:41
Sb: #3915-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
If I may jump in here, it is my impression that you can (read should) only have
ONE aif per directory with the same three character extension. Actually, all
AIFs on the same disk are "cached" as long as you don't select a new disk (or
the same disk by clicking on the disk icon). First one found has precedence.
What Mike may have meant was that if you save your Dynacalc spreadsheet files
with a .cal extension (which may or may not be the default, I don't reqa really
use it all that much), then after you have "been" to a subdirectory with an
AIF.cal in it, then all files which have a .cal exstention also will show up as
icons, and if you double click on one it will call up the program specified
with the AIF and automagically supply the filename as the command line
parameter. Make sense?
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3980 S6/Applications
30-May-90 01:22:10
Sb: #3941-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanx for the info. Hey, was your tower a mini tower or full size? I haven't
really seen one of them up close. Aare they all pretty much thes same, as far
as space inside, ability to move the hardware around easily. I don't really
care if it has a power supply, buttons, lights or keyswitches. I'm more
concerned about price, flexibilty, and how easy it is to get my os9 system
inside. I can't see spending $200 or more for a metal case. Why are they sooooo
expensive. TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3999 S6/Applications
30-May-90 16:17:27
Sb: #3980-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
I have my coco system in a full size tower which costs $189 from MicroLab. I
guess about $50 of that is for the 230 W power supply. Other than that, it's a
pretty big piece of hardware. Dunnot too much about the mini tower, haven't
really maneuvered around in one.
Zack
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4005 S6/Applications
30-May-90 19:17:02
Sb: #3999-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
So, what are you waiting for? Write up the directions, either for sale or for
upload! <grin> If you come up with instructions that even a ten-thumbed person
like me can follow successfully, I bet you'd earn lots of respect, some money,
or both.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4012 S6/Applications
30-May-90 22:01:33
Sb: #4005-AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
I assume you mean instructions based on "how I did it", ie, put my coco system
in a tower case? I have worked on such a document, but haven't really finished
the job yet. Besides, it was really pretty easy, given the documents ATCOCO.TXT
and ATCOCO.ADD in the libs. But, seriously, folks, I do plan to upload at least
a document describing my experiances with the experiance.
Zack
#: 4099 S6/Applications
03-Jun-90 22:54:46
Sb: #3999-#AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
BTW, Zack, Kevin WILL be in Charlotte with us this Thursday. Call Interactive
Media Systems (gosh I forget their number -- try 704 UWA MADE) to find out
about times, directions, etc.
Should include demo of full mm/1 systems up and running with latest windows.
Max Bryant, Mark Sheffield, Frank Neuner, and myself should be there. I BELIEVE
we are videotaping it on Super VHS for inclusion in the KLE video due out in
July on the MM/1.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4110 S6/Applications
04-Jun-90 09:38:36
Sb: #4099-AIF -> DYNACALC
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
I'm planning to attend. I think Eric Stringer is posting directions on Delphi,
if he doesn't I'll give IMS a call. See ya then!
Zack
#: 3904 S9/Utilities
28-May-90 20:55:52
Sb: #3823-Shell+ compatibility
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Repack does nothing with command line file functions, it is moving files,
sector by sector around, and puting them in consecutive sectors. I am not
positive that it is Shell+ doing it, but that was the only change that I had
made. I was simply looking for some others that might have run into the same
sort of problems
thanx for the ideas though
#: 3905 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
28-May-90 21:14:54
Sb: #RiBBS off-line reader
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: ALL
I was wondering if there is anyway that we could put together an off-line mail
reader/reply package for RiBBS. I have seen it done MANY other ways for the
IBM and the boards it runs, but if we could get an off-line reader as well, it
would be great. I think I know someone that might be able to help with this,
but I will have to see. He is a sysop of one of the IBM boards and is very
good at the Tech stuff. We might be able to get some ideas from him. Do I
have any takers for this little venture? I am the sysop of Hill Top BBS and
you can call the board at 201-638-5698 and leave a message or leave a message
here
RiBBS needs to keep MOVING!!!!!!!
Guy Silliman
Hill Top BBS
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4007 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
30-May-90 19:32:25
Sb: #3905-#RiBBS off-line reader
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207 (X)
~ Guy,
There's a local fellow who's been working on a FIDO mail reader program for
OS-9, and he might be a good one to get in touch with. Look for Bill Beaton on
the OS-9 and/or CoCo echoes on fidonet. He doesn't get on any of the pay
services himself, but I can put you in touch with him directly if need be.
Bruce
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4129 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
05-Jun-90 20:29:38
Sb: #4007-RiBBS off-line reader
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
THanx, I am just getting my board on the echo, so I will be picking up those
conferences
thanx again
#: 3907 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:15:06
Sb: #3545-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
$800 sounds pretty cheap for an Amiga 500. I guess that's a monochrome monitor
setup. But yes, the Amiga is considered expensive relative to ST (tho probably
not for "comparable systems"). Of course as you point out, everything is a
bargain next to MacPrices.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3919 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 04:25:44
Sb: #3907-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
Nope, full system, computer, monitor 1 internal floppy. No such thing as a
'mono system' for the amiga... almost an oxymoron. :) --Eet--
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4053 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:19:52
Sb: #3919-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524
Wow -- all that for $850? Sheesh, a color ST costs at least that. Is that
Amiga 500 system with 512K? Upgradable to what? Of course for music work I
don't need more than 4 colors, tho.
#: 3934 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 11:32:49
Sb: #3814-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony -
Shoot... you are close. I'm in Newbury Park, which is the last exit on the 101,
before you go over the 'hill' (Conejo Grade)... probably about 20 miles from
Canoga Park.
I'm not running as many terminals as I used to... down to a Wyse50 on an A/B
switch as /Term & /T4, a PC/AT on /T3, a cocoII on /T2, and modems on /T6 and
/T7 (/T1 is the BSR home controller).
You're welcome to swing up some evening, if you like (school nights excepted)..
drop me a note here, or call.
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3957 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 20:41:07
Sb: #3934-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
"Conejo Grande"? "Big Rabbit" seems like a very odd name for a hill. (But
then, I doubt that I would've had the courage to name the "Grand Tetons"
either. <grin>)
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3968 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 23:09:12
Sb: #3957-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James -
Did I type 'Grande'? It was supposed to have been 'grade' - a large incline
that goes from sea level to about 1500-2000 feet in a mile or so.
Pete
#: 3911 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:34:40
Sb: #3706-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
He meant there was just a ghost of a chance, and it slimed him!
#: 3910 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:26:30
Sb: #3707-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Oh no! Not THAT at-home OS? Want a new device driver? How many hours to
recompile the kernel? What source...? Oh no, not ioctl(7) just to read a
keyboard character.... Don't worry James, none of us could afford it anyway,
grin. --mike k PS: Thanks for the "Dr." -- anybody got a sick machine?
#: 3908 S15/Hot Topics
28-May-90 22:19:18
Sb: #3680-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Great, Paul. Even when I type MFREE, I trust, since I have 1 Meg in my Coco 3
now. I Meg is stock on the MM1, right? I heard a rumor of 2 Meg but that
doesn't fit the form factor, no? --mike k
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3928 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 10:27:03
Sb: #3908-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
Mike,
Currently 1 meg of DRAM in DIP packaging is on the CPU board. The I/) (I/O
rather) board has 2 SIMM sockets, meaning that, for VERY LITTLE MONEY, you can
have a 3 meg system by adding 2 one meg simms.
These SIMMS cost about $150 for 2 meg.
Makes you wonder why you just bouth that one meg upgrade, eh?
Grin.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4055 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 20:24:08
Sb: #3928-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Right, low cost upgrade. Well, I still have LOTS of work to do on my Coco 3,
so I'm getting usage out of that 1 Meg. And I don't have to tear it out to put
in my new machine either ^-)
Say, am I about to get a flyer from you in the mail?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4066 S15/Hot Topics
01-Jun-90 21:17:06
Sb: #4055-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
Mike,
Lots of corespondence, i hope! Thx for all.
Paul
#: 3916 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 00:49:43
Sb: #3847-#IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I insatlled the diode hack two days ago, and I lost the carrier while logged on
here. Don't know if it was the phone line or rs232 problems.
Wwant to hear some really wierd problems ? I tried to modify my startup file
and copying all my files to it. Well when I put in a goto no_format label in
the startup file it bombed out while trying to start up a shell in /w7 . Wwhen
I removed the goto and the label, it executed normally. On top of that, when I
did an mdir, my modules that I had merged with the shell were in memory in
reverse alphabetical order ! When I merged them I started out with shell attr
copy del etc... I even did did an ident on the merged shell file to verify
this. Got an answer for those ?
This one really grinds at me ... I opened up the gclock from MV and tried to
set the date and time because they were wrong. No matter how I entered the date
and time , It responded with illegal entry. I finally had to close gclock.
I am tired of fightting these elusive problems and not getting anywhere. I
wonder, would not using the right scf module for gshell1.24A cause ANY of the
above problems. With all the numerous patches around (no I did not keep a log
of my changes) I think I may be using some modules t that were intended for
gshell 1.24 with 1.24A. I remember reading that there was two or three version
of the scf module, and one had mentioned your name.
Also I could not get the wilcard expansion to work for shell2.0 . Aafter
reading the doc file a few times, I finally tried the wild card feature out. I
typed :fstat *, and it showed the stats for all files in the directory. Then I
typed :attr * , and it only returne the attr's for one file. I tried it with
dir as well but got another strange response. Wwhen does it all end.
Is there anyone who is willing to spend a little time and help me nail down
these problems ????
TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4041 S7/Telecommunications
01-Jun-90 01:23:49
Sb: #3916-IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony,
Heh-heh, you should see the troubles people have on other machine forums ;-). I
don't think the world has gotten to a user-friendly computer stage quite yet,
eh? Ah well, someday.
Yeah, modules sometimes go in the module dir in reverse order. Guess we should
find out why, just for curiousity's sake.
Dunno what format gclock expects time in... something like "11:03pm" or
something? Anyone recall? Is it in the manual?
Your wildcard problems are because many commands won't accept more than one
filename as a parameter. As time goes by (and now that we have wildcards),
people are writing replacements that do.
Easy enough to tell for now; just try it by hand ("dir /d0 /d1", etc) and see
if that particular command works.
Everything makes sense. Just gotta figure it out slowly. After all, it's
supposed to be a fun hobby <grin>. best - Kev
#: 3926 S10/Tandy CoCo
29-May-90 06:49:12
Sb: #CBUG File in LIB10
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: All
Anyone who missed out on the "Great C Compiler Array Bug" debate, can now find
the captured thread in LIB 10. Happy reading!
(What I want to know...is who won??? <grin>)
Dan
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4027 S10/Tandy CoCo
31-May-90 16:53:27
Sb: #3926-CBUG File in LIB10
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Dan,
Beats me! <grin> I think the (more or less) final outcome was that if you
specify and access an array (as an argument to a function) in one particular
way, it works, but that there are some other, widely excepted, alternative ways
of coding that should work, but don't.
I learned a lot from that thread, mainly that there really is no such thing as
an array in C, but I'm still confused about all the many different ways to
define and access (so called) arrays and pointers in C.
Bill
#: 3938 S3/Languages
29-May-90 14:02:02
Sb: #C error trapping
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: all
I have a question regarding C. In reading a book I have on the language, I
found that there is a global variable errno that contains the latest error
result. As a result of this, I am led to believe that error trapping in C
(run-time error trapping) is possible as it is for other languages, such as
Basic09. In a program I wrote, a division by zero error resulted in my
returning back to OS9 with an error message - is there any way to get C to
recognize the error before it happens and avoid going back to OS9, but handle
the error in the way I see best? such as the onerror command in Basic09...
Thanks for your replies. .....Dan Charrois
There are 3 Replies.
#: 3939 S3/Languages
29-May-90 15:58:16
Sb: #3938-#C error trapping
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan -
Actually, that depends on how the internal math functions were written. If they
do the equivalent of this:
if((param1/param2) == ERRDIV)
exit(ERRDIV)
then there's no way to trap it. If the function you used RETURNS an error value
(the usual 'C' way of doing things) either explicitly (unlikely) or by
returning a -1, and then letting you examine 'errno', you can do as you like
with it. We'd probably have to see the program fragment to get more specific.
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4013 S3/Languages
30-May-90 22:16:02
Sb: #3939-C error trapping
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for your reply. The functions I am using are those contained in the
transcendental math library (clibt.l). Hopefully they don't exit internally -
it wouldn't seem the proper way of doing things...
Thanks, and I'll look further into things...Dan
#: 3948 S3/Languages
29-May-90 18:20:36
Sb: #3938-#C error trapping
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan,
Yes, there is a way to trap math errors in C. You have to set up a signal
trapping function with the intercept() function. When an error occurs the
signal trap is called. Usually, the signal trap simply sets an appropriate
flag and returns. The main program must check the flag at the appropriate time
to see if an error has occurred and then take some action.
There are 2 Replies.
#: 3969 S3/Languages
29-May-90 23:14:26
Sb: #3948-#C error trapping
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce -
You sure about that? Example: failure to pass a valid filename to the fopen()
function. It'll return an error condition (NULL FILE pointer), but won't do any
signalling, nor intercept stuff.
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3993 S3/Languages
30-May-90 07:10:58
Sb: #3969-#C error trapping
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
You're right that the library functions usually give an error indication with
the returned value. However, an error condition which happens during a math
operation, division by zero, floating point overflow ect., causes the code to
send a signal to itself. You must capture this signal with an intercept
routine or the process will return to the shell with an error message.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3994 S3/Languages
30-May-90 09:30:07
Sb: #3993-C error trapping
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce -
That's good to know. Never did anything with enough math in it to have to find
that out.
Pete
#: 4015 S3/Languages
30-May-90 22:20:17
Sb: #3948-C error trapping
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Thanks for your reply as well, Bruce. If the math functions try and abort the
program rather than set errno, I'll see what I can learn about setting an
appropriate intercept routine. Dan
#: 3958 S3/Languages
29-May-90 20:46:30
Sb: #3938-C error trapping
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
OK--there are errors and there are errors. For instance--if you're on a 68020
and using a 68881, an attempt to divide by zero will blow you off with an
exception from the coprocessor. Other errors are caught by defensive coding in
library routines and result in setting errno and returning some special value
(e.g. EOF from getc()). Software floating-point behavior depends on how the
stuff is written, of course.
For division by zero, I fear that the best way to catch the problem is to test
the divisor before you divide. (Alas, that won't catch overflow.) Different
routines handle errors differently, is about all I can say--read the docs
carefully.
#: 3944 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 16:50:12
Sb: #Help
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Sysop (X)
Hmmmm.. Guys, how do I setup CIS for 8 bit mode? Default is different since I
was there last.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3946 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 17:52:40
Sb: #3944-#Help
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Bill, you can't set 8-bit mode at the terminal setting menu (GO TERMINAL) but
you CAN set the parity to NONE.
Mike
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3959 S7/Telecommunications
29-May-90 21:06:49
Sb: #3946-Help
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)
Hmmm, thanks, I'll give it a try.
#: 3945 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 17:37:55
Sb: #Tomcat
Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713
To: Frank Hogg, 70310,317 (X)
Hi Frank I got your latest announcement on the TC70 and think I figured it out.
The TC70 is a computer. The TC9 is a computer. If I put them together on a
KBus I can run Level II and OSK in one "box" without having to switch monitor,
disk drives, etc. Am I close? -Toni
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3953 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 19:53:22
Sb: #3945-#Tomcat
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X)
Not only are you close, you are right on. Not only that but you can have
several TC9's on the bus but only one TC70. Parallel processing anyone?
Frank
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4004 S15/Hot Topics
30-May-90 17:48:07
Sb: #3953-Tomcat
Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Thanks Frank. Am I good or WHAT?
Now fill me in on the multiple TC9's , etc. thanks, Toni
#: 3963 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 22:06:48
Sb: #download count
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: sysop (X)
I noticed that when{I re-uploaded the file TC70.ANC which replaced the old one
that the count started over at 0. It was at 60 before and I like to keep track
of these things as I am sure others do too. Is there any way to adjust it?
Thanks Frank
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3967 S15/Hot Topics
29-May-90 22:58:14
Sb: #3963-download count
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Frank, there's no way to actually tinker with the download count but I've made
a note in the description at the end that the previous downloads were at 60+
and counting.
Mike
#: 3965 S1/General Interest
29-May-90 22:33:38
Sb: #library quotas
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: sysop (X)
While trying to upload a few play sound files. I received a warning that the
library whould exceed the sysop set quota and to notify the sysop.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3966 S1/General Interest
29-May-90 22:58:10
Sb: #3965-library quotas
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: James Whitaker 70355,431 (X)
Consider myself notified. I'll take care of it straight away. Thanks for the
alert!
#: 3970 S3/Languages
29-May-90 23:28:58
Sb: #multi-source RMA
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: All
Hi all... Having trouble making multiple source files work with RMA, RLink and
Make. I just can't seem to get it to work. The manual is somewhat vague and
gives no examples. I think I understand the 'mainline' thing, but I still get
phasing errors. Can anybody either explain it or give me a short example to
follow? I'm a bit lost...
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3990 S3/Languages
30-May-90 04:14:58
Sb: #3970-#multi-source RMA
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
Glen, it would be easier for folks to help if you gave an example of the
makefile.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4010 S3/Languages
30-May-90 20:41:02
Sb: #3990-multi-source RMA
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Hi Bill... I'll do that...
#: 3975 S1/General Interest
30-May-90 01:13:11
Sb: #waiting messages
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: [F] Sysop (X)
Is there a reason I always get the message that I have 2 messages waiting for
me when I sign on to the forum? Especially since I don't! I've tried resetting
the high message read, etc. and then reading them but I can't find these
supposably "for me" messages, and i can't get rid of the waiting message
either. Frustrating!
There is 1 Reply.
#: 3987 S1/General Interest
30-May-90 01:42:39
Sb: #3975-waiting messages
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Yep... the messages (#3413 and #3414 - about C arrays) are FROM you and TO you.
You've evidentally got your READ OPTIONS set so that you ignore messages sent
from you.
Read those two messages individually, or do an "RM" to "Read Marked" and see if
that shows them to you. That should clear things up for you.
Wayne
#: 3976 S3/Languages
30-May-90 01:14:12
Sb: #C file buffering
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
Here's my next "dumb" question. It has to do with the way 'C' buffers files. If
I understand things correctly all the "proper" file stuff (fopen, fputs, etc.)
use buffered i/o. Of course, this presents problems for terminal i/o. For
example, if you wish to print a line without a CR; or if you use functions like
CurXY()...
This problem can be overcome by using setbuff() so that the i/o is done on a
un-buffered basis. But then, if you want to print a long line it will be done
with a whole series of system calls. I think this would really slow things down
if there was to be a lot of terminal i/o.
So, is there a way to get the best of both worlds. Would something like this
work:
leave file as buffered,
if doing cursor pos, etc. flush the file,
if printing a line with a CR, flush the file,
Or is this needlessly complex. Also, what happens if you just want to get 1 or
2 characters from the keyboard. Will fflush() work here too?
Seems that the simplest thing to do is to forget about buffered files
completely and handle it using the unix-like functions. But the more I read the
more I think this is not the 'best" solution.
So, what thoughts do you have on this...
There are 3 Replies.
#: 3992 S3/Languages
30-May-90 04:59:44
Sb: #3976-#C file buffering
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Yes, what you suggest (for output) would work, i.e. using explicit fflush()
where you want to force it out. Just getting one or two characters from
buffered input? I guess I'm not sure what you mean. stdio isn't really
designed for switching back and forth between buffered and unbuffered (though
you can certainly do it via setbuf()). Could you explain what you're after in
more detail?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4069 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 01:05:27
Sb: #3992-#C file buffering
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Okay, here is what I have done. I've written an input routine with editing
(delete, insert, etc.). It's quite simple to use--you just pass it a string to
edit, and the input/output fileptrs. It works just fine, so long as both
streams are set for single character (unbuffered) mode. This limits the use of
the routine. I would like the routine itself to set up the proper mode
(probably with setbuf()), do its thing, and then restore things. It just
occurred to me that I could open an duplicate path via I$DUP (hmmm, isn't there
a standard library function too?), and set that path up as I need it. I guess I
would still have to flush the output buffer before doing this but the input
buffer should be okay. Guess I should just try it...
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4077 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 11:46:28
Sb: #4069-C file buffering
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Yes, there is a dup() function in MW C.
#: 3995 S3/Languages
30-May-90 09:40:06
Sb: #3976-#C file buffering
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bob -
That's really on the nose. I believe CR terminated lines will self-flush, but
other than that, you're on target.
You shouldn't have to do that with input, though. If you are consistantly just
getting a few chars from the keyboard (i.e. menu selections, etc.), why not use
read(0,&c,1) vice using buffered I/O?
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4070 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 01:05:39
Sb: #3995-#C file buffering
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Yeah, I could use read()...but I understand that "proper" C protocol is to
avoid using unbuffered, unix-like, i/o. But skipping the buffered i/o
completely certainly has advantages for terminal routines. Guess one has to
decide between what works well and what is "the right way."
There are 3 Replies.
#: 4078 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 11:48:08
Sb: #4070-C file buffering
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
I my opinion, what is "proper" C protocol is what works for you for your
specific needs. I frequently use unbuffered IO (read() and write()) with
terminal IO, and it seems to perform quite well.
Zack
#: 4080 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 14:05:24
Sb: #4070-C file buffering
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Bob -
Nay, nay.... read() is poifectly acceptable. Used buffered if there's no reason
not to, as it is much less expensive.
Pete
#: 4086 S3/Languages
02-Jun-90 21:55:47
Sb: #4070-C file buffering
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Bob,
I have heard mention of read() and write() not being kosher, mostly because
there are compilers out there that don't support them (MS-DOS types I think). I
wouldn't worry about sticking with fread() and fwrite() though. The low-level
I/O functions are much faster in my judgement.
One thing you should watch out for when using setbuf(), if you setbuf()
standard output to 0 (single character I/O), it doesn't really matter which
function (fwrite() or write()) you use...it will be slow as all get out.
Setting standard input to single character I/O makes it easier to read a single
keypress, and still allows you to read in entire lines of text without changing
anything. But, you can't use ungetc() if you need to.
For serious editing, or just about anything more involved than using the built
in line edit OS9 provides, it is usually a good practise to null out the device
descriptor for the terminal and work with each character itself without having
to worry about people having different xmode settings. It takes a bit more
work, but eliminates lots of headaches. If you also then use read() and
write() to the terminal, you'll get nice and fast screen updating.
Mark
#: 4060 S3/Languages
01-Jun-90 20:57:47
Sb: #3976-C file buffering
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bob, it's best to do output buffered, and one-key-at-a-time (no ENTER) input as
unbuffered. You can get the corresponding "raw" (Unix-ese) channel number as
"stdin->_fileno" or something close -- look in stdio.h to be sure. Just be sure
that whenever you do unbufeered I/O on the same path as buffered, always
fflush() the path first.
Also you can set buffered output so it WILL NOT turn CRs and LFs bytes into
CR-LF pairs. Do stdout->_flag |= _RBF.
Ask for more details if needed. Don't use setbuf(). But use fprintf(stderr,
...) if you want instant output quick.
#: 3977 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
30-May-90 01:14:25
Sb: #3511-widows and orphans
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the message about WIDOWS.TXT in DTPFORUM. Interesting--guess I can
call anything I like anything I want. Just wait until someone says MY docs are
wrong!
#: 3982 S6/Applications
30-May-90 01:24:54
Sb: #$$$
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Zack Sessions
Zack, I'm well aware that $ means hex. I was talking about the $ $$ names of
the functions names and system calls ! TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4000 S6/Applications
30-May-90 16:19:09
Sb: #3982-$$$
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Oh, well I think Bruce addressed that. All OS9 system functions are in the
format F$function (or I$function for IO specific calls). Just a standard I
guess Microware adopted.
Zack
#: 3989 S1/General Interest
30-May-90 02:14:24
Sb: #Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: ALL
Hi,
What is the word processor that most OS9 users use? I'm looking for a new
one. All the ads say that theirs is the best. So if some one can recommend a
good one please let me know.
Thanks, Butch
There are 4 Replies.
#: 3991 S1/General Interest
30-May-90 04:23:12
Sb: #3989-#Word Processor
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Many folks use DynaStar. It is a Wordstar clone, although not up to the speed
of the newer Wordstar versions. Dyna provides things like multiple indices,
table of contents etc. It also works with terminals. On the CoCo there is
Window Writer, which I have yet to use.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4020 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 09:38:36
Sb: #3991-Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Thanks for the information. I guess there are not many choices with OS9. I
thought there might be one that I didn't know about.
Butch Mooney
#: 4009 S1/General Interest
30-May-90 20:39:11
Sb: #3989-#Word Processor
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Hi Butch... Whatever the ads say, don't believe Owlware's ad for Window Writer.
I paid out the money for it and am VERY unhappy. It does have the potential to
be a nice product - if it was finished, but as it is it's chock full of bugs
(some nasty ones), missing many features that should really be in a package
advertised like this one is and just plain slow, not to mention being a system
hog. I have a bug and deficiency list a page long and getting longer every day,
which I intend to send to Owlware soon.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4021 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 09:43:22
Sb: #4009-#Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
Thanks Glen. You just saved me $ 59.00 . I have DaynaStar and like it. I used
to use Word Power with RS-DOS and liked it very much. They are like beer what
ever you get use to you like. DaynaStar is good but doesn't have the same feel.
And I use a word processor alot.
Butch Mooney
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4036 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 23:46:26
Sb: #4021-Word Processor
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Hi Butch... Hey, no problem. Like I say, if the author(s) would finish Window
Writer, speed it up, fix all the bugs and add some features, it would be worth
much more than I paid Owl for it. The way it is being sold, though, it's not
even worth the disk it's shipped on.
#: 4103 S1/General Interest
03-Jun-90 23:07:14
Sb: #4021-Word Processor
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Try out Bob van der Poel's Ved.
Paul
#: 4068 S1/General Interest
02-Jun-90 01:05:08
Sb: #3989-#Word Processor
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Butch,
You might want to look into VED and VPRINT. There are reviews in lib 15 of both
of these products. Drop me an e-mail if you need any specific questions
answered.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4071 S1/General Interest
02-Jun-90 03:06:51
Sb: #4068-Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Hi Bob,
I will look into them. Thanks for the information.
Butch
#: 4102 S1/General Interest
03-Jun-90 23:06:03
Sb: #3989-#Word Processor
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
The best I know of is sold by Windsor Systems. It is fast, configurable, and
extremely professional. With the formatter, it supports laser printers.
-
Just for OSK, though.
Might want ot get Bob's stuff for 6809 os9.
Paul
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4124 S1/General Interest
05-Jun-90 08:59:35
Sb: #4102-Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the information. Also I have you Start OS-9. It is great. I
wouldn't be online now if it was for the guide. I wish you could do more manual
like it. Thanks, Butch
#: 3996 S7/Telecommunications
30-May-90 11:29:57
Sb: t2 hwe
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
does anybody know about the new aciapak works with /t2?
#: 4001 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
30-May-90 16:23:56
Sb: it works
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: 76576,3312 (X)
Hey ed... My modem connection works!!!! yea,yea!!! thanks....
#: 4003 S10/Tandy CoCo
30-May-90 17:38:23
Sb: #SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: All
Hi Guys---When you open a sequential access file what's the best way to get the
file pointer to the end so that you can append it. When I open and write, I
over write the existing info. I haven't done much work with SCF files.
There are 3 Replies.
#: 4006 S10/Tandy CoCo
30-May-90 19:19:35
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
You can sequentially read an RBF file, of course...for SCF it doesn't make
sense to talk about seeking to the end! The simplest way to do what you want
is via the SS_SIZE getstat call, which will tell you the current file length.
Once you have that, seek to that position, and you're all set. (If you're
using C and have Carl Kreider's library, look in the docs for _gs_size().)
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4028 S10/Tandy CoCo
31-May-90 17:05:36
Sb: #4006-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks James--I haven't used syscall in programming because I dont understand
it thoroughly but I'll give it a try.
#: 4011 S10/Tandy CoCo
30-May-90 21:48:30
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil -
Just do a getstt to determine the file's size, and then do an I$seek to that
point. If you're working in C, it's wayyyy easier: just open the file for
append (i.e. fopen("filename", "a").
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4029 S10/Tandy CoCo
31-May-90 17:08:25
Sb: #4011-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Hi Pete--Like I told James, I'll give it a try. I never really found a good
tutoral on syscall and I haven't used it much. Thanks for the reply.
#: 4045 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 09:20:18
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
~
Phil;
I asked the same question quite a while back, and both Kev and Dave sent me
this subroutine that I use to seek to the end and append :
DIM path:BYTE; fsize:REAL
TYPE regs=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
DIM register:regs
DIM callcode:BYTE
DIM xconv,uconv:REAL
(* filesize subroutine - courtesy K. Darling & D. Jenkins
70 ON ERROR GOTO 80 \(* open the file or append, but be ready for no file
OPEN #path,filenam:UPDATE
register.a:=path
register.b:=2
callcode:=$8D
RUN syscall(callcode,register)
xconv=register.x
IF xconv<0 THEN xconv=xconv+65536. \ ENDIF
uconv=register.u
IF uconv<0 THEN uconv=uconv+65536. \ ENDIF
fsize=xconv*65536.+uconv
SEEK #path,fsize
RETURN
80 (* Need to create initial file
errnum=ERR
ON ERROR
IF errnum=216 THEN
CREATE #path,filenam:WRITE
RETURN
ELSE
IF errnum>0 THEN
PRINT " Unexpected error - "; errnum \ END
ENDIF
ENDIF
This should do it for you.
...Jim
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4052 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 18:22:08
Sb: #4045-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Thanks for the info Jim--it helps to put the puzzle together!
#: 4022 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 10:44:25
Sb: #Word Processor
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
I have been using stylograph for years and am very pleased with it. You may
want to check it out. However the local OS9 users seem to like ved and then
the formater programs instead.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4046 S1/General Interest
01-Jun-90 09:36:01
Sb: #4022-Word Processor
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X)
Thanks for the info it is helpful to hear from a user of a program.
Butch
#: 4026 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 16:53:23
Sb: #3784-#dead TTX
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
No, I don't, but keep me in mind if you find a source. I just can't bring
myself to spend $500 for a terminal at this point, too many other things I
need!
Bill
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4034 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 22:04:00
Sb: #4026-dead TTX
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Will do, Bill.
I've noticed an ad in the Shopper that has a listing of used terminals from $50
and up, but even that causes me to shutter when I look at the boxes in the
basement. Maybe I'll hear something from the TTX folks.
Steve
#: 4030 S10/Tandy CoCo
31-May-90 18:29:40
Sb: #Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hi James--I went back to my trusty Tech Ref. and I cant find ss_size. All I can
find is ss.siz which it says works only with RBF. Also I dont understand what I
would seek the size of after using syscall. Seek size(#path) seek size(syscall)
seek size(?). After bouncing back and forth between the tech ref and Basic09
pages, I still dont understand fully how to use the syscall syntax. I would
appreciate any help you could give me. Phil
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4031 S10/Tandy CoCo
31-May-90 19:13:19
Sb: #4030-#Syscall
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
My mistake on the name; I'm sure ss.siz is what you want. OK--here's the poop
on syscall:
syscall is a direct hook to OS-9 system calls. If you take a gander at the
Technical Manual, you'll see that the interface to the system calls is defined
in terms of what the registers of the 6809 contain when you make the call and
what they contain when the kernel gets back to you, right? OK--the interface
for the BASIC09 procedure syscall (and, for that matter, the C routine _os9())
is defined the same way--there's a TYPE statement that you should use that has
fields defined that correspond precisely to the registers of the 6809, and you
assign to the appropriate fields what you want to hand to the system call in
accordance with the input parameters specified in the manual page for that
system call. After the procedure is run, the variable you passed as a
parameter has its fields modified to reflect exactly what comes back from the
system call. The fields that correspond to the registers contain just what the
registers had in them coming back from the system call.
In this particular case, you have to do something perhaps a little
counterintuitive, because the length of a file can be up to 2**32 bytes, which
is too big to fit in a BASIC09 INTEGER variable. The length comes back from
the system call with the least-significant 16 bits in one register, and the
mostsignificant 16 bits in another. To get the right length, you need to do
something like "65536.0*regs.x+regs.y" to force the calculation to be done in
floating-point arithmetic. So you'd say "SEEK #path,65536.0*regs.x+regs.y" to
get to the end of the file open on path.
There should be a tutorial that gives all the gory details of syscall, probably
better than I've done here, and probably with examples, which I'd say would be
very appropriate at this point. Wander over to the DL areas and browse--or
maybe someone here will pipe up with the proper file name and area (eh eh,
nudge nudge! :-).
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4050 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 18:17:39
Sb: #4031-#Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hey Thanks a lot James--I think you're right, we need a tutoral on syscall.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4067 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 21:39:59
Sb: #4050-#Syscall
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
I thought Kevin Darling uploaded a SYSCALL tutorial, at least he was
threatening to. Bug him about it!
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4073 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 07:57:04
Sb: #4067-#Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hi Zack--I didn't know that he did it yet. He said he was going to. I know that
in OS9 the system eventually gives CPU time to everything no matter what its'
priority is <GRIN> so I just wait!!.
There are 3 Replies.
#: 4074 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 09:16:16
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil,
Kev indeed uploaded a SYSCALL tutorial. It's located in LIB 2.
Scoot up there and type: BRO /KEY=SYSCALL
Dan
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4093 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 17:03:47
Sb: #4074-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Thanks Dan--I'll do that!!
#: 4079 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 11:49:17
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Best way to get Kev to do something he has already promised to do is to BUG
him! Post him a message!
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4094 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 17:04:49
Sb: #4079-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hi Zack--I was just told that he did. I'm going to get it!
#: 4082 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 17:42:28
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
~ Phil;
The subroutine that I sent you got a bit munged - the DIM line for xconv and
uconv should have read :
DIM xconv,uconv:REAL
Other than that, it came through O.K.
re: syscall tutorial
Look in LIB 1, I believe (tutorials) for either SYSCAL.TXT or SYSCAL.DOC with
Kev's PPN on it.
...Jim
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4095 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 17:08:17
Sb: #4082-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Hi Jim--I used your program lines and they worked just fine. I'm almost done
with my program and I'll send it up. Thanks to you and everyone who helped!!
#: 4047 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 11:40:07
Sb: #4030-#Syscall
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil -
There seem to be a few conceptual problems here as well. RBF type files are the
only files that you _can_ seek to the end of (disk files).... SCF (/term, /p,
etc.) type files HAVE NO EOF, until you present an EOF character to them, which
usually closes the path. Same goes for pipes. SS.siz, SS.size -probably just
typos.
Pete
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4051 S10/Tandy CoCo
01-Jun-90 18:20:10
Sb: #4047-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for the reply Pete!!
#: 4032 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 21:54:36
Sb: #PROJECT Mgt PERT CHART
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: ALL INTERESTED PARTIES
Looking for a program for the coco3 that will make PERT charts or do critical
path methods for project management. Thank you
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4035 S1/General Interest
31-May-90 22:13:58
Sb: #4032-PROJECT Mgt PERT CHART
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: tom farrow 72701,543
Alas, I know of no such beast--it would be nice to have, though. Have you
considered trying your hand at one? The main reference you'll want is one to
partial ordering and the algorithm "topological sort;" it should be easy to
find in any data structures text.
#: 4037 S1/General Interest
01-Jun-90 00:27:15
Sb: #SCII Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling
Help? I just got my Disto SCII w/RS232 & HD options. The no halt mode seems to
work ok, but I am harving trouble with the serial port. My system is setup ass
follows, Aa modified MPI, COCO3 w 512k, Disto 512k ramd disk in SLOT 2, B&B
host adapter/controller in SLOT3, Disto SCII with RS232 & HD in slot 4. I
patched aciapak with the modpatch file that came with the Disto stuff and I am
using THEIR /T2 descriptor too! I could dial my modem (RS 1200 BAUD), but it
didn't use my osterm scripts, and then it just hung the whole system and left
my hard drive selected. Oh, by the way I have put in the diode hak a week ago.
Everything has been working ok since then, I even had reliable rs232. To get
this message to you, I had to pull out the SCII (powered off) and put my old
controller in and Tandy RS232. This time everything flew. What did I do wrong ?
Oh, one more thing, I am using the cc3disk.irq driver as specified in the
readme file included. I used cc3disk.slp at first, but when I read that I
should use the IRQ version if I was using the RS232 option INSIDE the SCII.
What I don't know is if the Disto Ramdisk is using interrupts, or the B&B for
that matter. TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4042 S1/General Interest
01-Jun-90 01:24:06
Sb: #4037-SCII Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony,
Lessee. No the ramdisk doesn't use interrupts, and neither does the B&B I don't
think.
Make sure that the /t2 descriptor has -pause. You were right to use the one
they gave.
Oh. I'm pretty sure OSTerm cheats and directly diddles the rs232 pak, which is
why things hang when using the Disto 2-1 card.
Others here may know the locations to patch in OSTerm (which shoulda taken the
cheat address from the descriptor, anyway!).
GUYS?!
#: 4038 S1/General Interest
01-Jun-90 00:41:02
Sb: #CIS Problems ??
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling
When I type help at some of the prompts, I am prompted with an Illegal
Instruction Reques, or something like that. I can't get help anywhere. Is the
system having problems ? TC
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4040 S1/General Interest
01-Jun-90 00:53:17
Sb: #4038-CIS Problems ??
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony : I can only guess that perhaps you have some line noise, or are leaning
on a key? Like typing "shelp" accidentally would give you the CIS: "invalid
command".
I take it tho you typed help or ? a coupla times and got a bad response? How's
it doing now?
#: 4072 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
02-Jun-90 06:16:10
Sb: #system clock
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: 76576,3312 (X)
hey ed My modem works fine!!! In fact using it right now. One question though
Does your system clock mysteriously loose time without any explanation.
I leave my system on and periodically it will loose 6 hours or so. I usually
reboot to reset system clock or use setime -s. I can seem to pin-point the
problem though.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4106 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
04-Jun-90 03:47:56
Sb: #4072-#system clock
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
Scott:
No problems with my system clock - don't have any idea what your problem is.
Are you running a software package that mysteriously (sp?) resets the clock??
Ed
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4112 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
04-Jun-90 18:27:49
Sb: #4106-system clock
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
hmm could be, I will give Fred a call tommorrow. Oh the 50.00 check will be
mailed tommorrow (tue). Things have been a little hectic around here and had a
chance to mail it.
#: 4081 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
02-Jun-90 17:17:33
Sb: #de-archiving pgm
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: all
where is the de-archiving program for the 68?
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4090 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
03-Jun-90 09:11:14
Sb: #4081-de-archiving pgm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
Scott,
Take a peek in LIB 9 (Utilities) for AR68.BIN (the executable) and AR.AR (the
source.
Those should fix you up.
Steve
#: 4083 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 17:42:33
Sb: #VIEW feedback
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)
Bruce;
I'm in the process of (again) updating View, and would like to solicit
comments/suggestions for the next version from the users.
So far, I've taken out the DATA help text and put it in an external file,
grouped all replies into one file for TRANSmission to CIS, added a 'B'ack up
command to back up to the previous message, and other minor cleanup.
Is there anything that you've got a hankerin' for that's missing?
..Jim
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4104 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 23:15:11
Sb: #4083-VIEW feedback
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
~ Jim,
I can't think of any other goodies to add to View, except maybe a quoting
feature if thats possible. If you've ever used some of the newer BBSes,
particularly OPUS types, and RiBBS, they have a feature that allows you to
quote lines from the original message in your reply. When used sparingly the
quotes can make a reply much more informative.
Bruce
#: 4084 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 17:44:39
Sb: #VIEW feedback
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
Mike;
See message to Bruce above. Comments? Wishes?
..Jim
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4120 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 01:03:14
Sb: #4084-VIEW feedback
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
~ That just about covers everything I can think of. Except in the editor, it
would be nice if you could go back to the previous line of text. But that's no
biggie. Nice piece of work,
Mike
#: 4085 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 19:06:53
Sb: #PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: all
I have uploaded 6 sound data files for the PLAY command. They are: KANSAS.PAK,
ET.PAK, ROBCOP.PAK, PLUMB.PAK, NOTBAD.PAK, and DINKEY.PAK. They were digitized
on a Tandy 1000-TL2 by Lonnie Green. I hope you enjoy them.
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4088 S10/Tandy CoCo
02-Jun-90 22:25:47
Sb: #4085-#PLAY sound files
Fm: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
To: James Whitaker 70355,431 (X)
I had been thinking of digitizing some sounds on the TL/2 at work, but wasn't
sure whether the sounds were saved in a compatable form. Did you have to do
any conversion to them before using them with play?
--Steve
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4096 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 19:48:29
Sb: #4088-PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
No, All we had to do was use PCDOS to transfer the data to os9.
#: 4097 S10/Tandy CoCo
03-Jun-90 20:13:33
Sb: #4088-PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
I should add that Lonnie did do some editing of the data to cut it down to
managable size. He also used the medium sampling rate.
#: 4087 S5/OS9 Users Group
02-Jun-90 22:04:32
Sb: #This Forum
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: SysOp (X)
Hi,
Can you tell me is this forum set up different then the other forums on CIS? I
can use the program Telstar with no problems on this forum, but on anywhere
else on CIS. I can't upload in mail or other forums. I seem to have the
linefeed problem. One line overwrite another. On other parts of CIS I use Wiz
which works fine. Please let me know if this forum is setup for Cocos with no
linefeeds.
Thanks, Butch
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4089 S5/OS9 Users Group
03-Jun-90 09:05:51
Sb: #4087-#This Forum
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)
Butch,
Except is those forums which are beta sites (only a few) every forum on
CompuServe run the same forum software. To prove this to your self, upon
entering a forum, type VER and make note of what version is running.
Your options can vary from forum to forum (type OPTIONS) so you may have to
tailor editor preferences and the like.
Steve
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4091 S5/OS9 Users Group
03-Jun-90 09:15:22
Sb: #4089-This Forum
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Hi,
It seems that Telstar works great in this forum. When I'm in mail it over
writes. That is why I asked. I'm changing some of the filters and fooling with
the linefeeds. So maybe it is this program. Thanks, Butch
#: 4105 S10/Tandy CoCo
04-Jun-90 02:04:13
Sb: #serial mice at last
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: All
Hi All,
Well, I've finally uploaded the serial mouse (CC3IO) patches. So all who
were waiting will soon be able to get their hands on a serial mouse, given that
the upload went OK and that I haven't messed up (knock on wood). I hope you
like it! Look for "SMOUSE.AR" in Lib 10.
Bruce
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4128 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 20:26:28
Sb: #4105-serial mice at last
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
Thanks, Bruce, I just downloaded it.
As Randy Quaid says on his beer commercials, "Get back to ya' soon with more
details."
Lee
#: 4108 S7/Telecommunications
04-Jun-90 06:24:00
Sb: Fido
Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)
Can anyone tell me about a local node for fido? I'm looking for a fido<net>
node near Little Rock, AR. I understand there may be one in Conway, AR. I
would really appreciate the help if someone has the number.
#: 4109 S10/Tandy CoCo
04-Jun-90 07:00:14
Sb: #/V0../V4
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Does anyone know how to make /V0 thru /V4 device descriptors (window
descriptors that open up as 32-column VDG screens)? I have successfully made
descriptors that will open the VDG window when I use them (ex., shell i=/v0&),
but the problem is that every descriptor points to the same physical window.
Ie, I have a shell in /v0, I type 'echo hi >/v1', and it shows up on /v0. This
is the same for all windows. What I am using is a modified /W2 that has the
names, window type, and window number changed. I cannot think of anything that
would make it not work. Any help would be appreciated,
Joseph Cheek
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4111 S10/Tandy CoCo
04-Jun-90 09:44:27
Sb: #4109-#/V0../V4
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Change location $10 to be $C0 for v0, $C1, for v1, etc. Also change location
$37 to be $B0 for v0, $B1 for v1, etc. Be sure to reverify after changes!
Zack
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4116 S10/Tandy CoCo
04-Jun-90 22:30:58
Sb: #4111-/V0../V4
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks, Zack. I will try it out and report my findings.
#: 4113 S7/Telecommunications
04-Jun-90 19:19:50
Sb: #UUCP
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: All
A friend of mine (Bob Billson) is interested in the UUCP port. He asks for info
on how it's coming along and when will it be available? I keep on tell~ring him
to sign up, but he says he can't afford CIS.
Hugo
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4117 S7/Telecommunications
05-Jun-90 00:28:17
Sb: #4113-UUCP
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hugo -
Mark Griffith indicates that the UUCP port may be available in July or so.
Tell your friend that with prudent and efficient usage habits (as outlined in
at least one file here on the forum), CompuServe can be scoped out for just a
few (under 5 or 10) minutes a day. You logon, capture all messages nonstop, and
then use one of the offline tools ('view') to read and respond to messages.
Then you just upload the responses as text files later. Nothing to it.
Pete
#: 4122 S7/Telecommunications
05-Jun-90 06:19:00
Sb: #4113-UUCP
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hugo,
The UUCP port is coming along nicely, but there is still some work to do on it
before it can be released. This is about as complicated a package as I would
like to tackle in a long time (whew!). As with all software development, you
are tempted to keep adding features and never get it done. So far, only a
couple utilities need to be completed, and the tranfer protocol needs a little
tweeking.
I'll probably be making a call for beta testers later this month, so tell your
friend if he would like to test it, please let me know.
Mark
#: 4114 S1/General Interest
04-Jun-90 21:24:13
Sb: OSK Employment
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: all
Does anyone know of any employment opportunities for a person experienced with
OSK & 680x0 assembler programming?
If so drop me a note via email and we can exchange further details.
Thanks! -J
#: 4115 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
04-Jun-90 21:25:29
Sb: OSK Employment
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: all
Does anyone know of any employment opportunities for a person experienced with
OSK & 680x0 assembler programming?
If so drop me a note via email and we can exchange further details.
Thanks! -J
#: 4119 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 00:31:07
Sb: #Reading disk tracks
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: ALL
Does anyone know if there is a way to read a track legally? I found SS.WTRK,
but I didn't see a read track function in the manual.
William
There are 2 Replies.
#: 4123 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 06:19:17
Sb: #4119-#Reading disk tracks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: William Phelps 75100,265
William,
Shouldn't be too hard to read a track. All you need to do is open the entire
disk as a file, and then seek to the track you want and read it. You'll need
to calculate the size of each track in bytes and use that figure for seeking
and reading. For example; a CoCo OS9 360K floppy has 18 256 byte sectors per
track for 4608 bytes per track. Open the disk as /d0@ and then seek to the
beginning of the file (the first sector), then seek out 4608 bytes. This
should put you at the start of the second track. Then read in 4608 bytes.
If you want to make your program smarter, then have it read the data from LSN0
on the size of things. Look in the Level II manual page 5-2. The number of
bytes per sector is not there, but I believe all OS9 systems use 256 bytes per
sector.
Mark
There is 1 Reply.
#: 4126 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 09:37:28
Sb: #4123-Reading disk tracks
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41
Mark -
That's really reading a track's worth of sectors, not reading a track. That
incurs all the overhead of interrecord gaps, headers, and disk interleave.
Track reading generall eats that whole collection in one revolution, and
handles data deblocking internally. That's one reason why track caches make
things so fast.
Pete
#: 4125 S10/Tandy CoCo
05-Jun-90 09:35:07
Sb: #4119-Reading disk tracks
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: William Phelps 75100,265
William -
Nope - there's no portable way to read a track under OS9 (at this time).. '
Pete
Press <CR> !>
Reference in New Issue View Git Blame Copy Permalink