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#: 3712 S5/OS9 Users Group
    22-May-90  21:46:21
Sb: #3666
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Mark

Thanks for the Phantomgraph patch. It solved my problem, and I appreciated your
help.

Chuck

#: 3713 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  22:29:19
Sb: #3592-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

~ Kev;

  Yep, we definitely gots our _faults_ out here!  And the Pacific coastline,
while it's got some incredible scenery, ain't no great shakes for recreation if
it involves getting wet (unless you like wet rubber suits!).

  What do NC natives consider Damnyankees?  I was always under the impression
that that referred to the Northeastern states.

  ...Jim

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#: 3715 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  22:46:23
Sb: #3713-#No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim - (that's Dam Yankees - no "n", so we can put it on bumper stickers -
grin),

Anywhere north of Virginia is Yankeeland... but especially big cities like New
York.. wherever people rush too much and drive too crazy ;-). As you said, the
NorthEastern states.

Gotta admit that many of them are beautiful country tho, at least outside the
big cities.

Hope you don't mind hot, muggy days... we get a lot here. Nothing like Georgia
tho... that place is deadly (to me) during the summer!

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#: 3767 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-May-90  02:56:08
Sb: #3715-#No' Carolina
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Just like you Dam Tarheels.... don't even kno whuh the Mason & Dixon Line is
boy! <Colonel Kev>

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#: 3768 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-May-90  03:02:37
Sb: #3767-No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267

Well, now I nevah said that I was edjukated, y'know whatta mean, Vern? ;-)

#: 3724 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  23:37:50
Sb: #3713-#No' Carolina
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Pacific coastline ain't go no great shakes!?!? <grin> If I were you,I'd be
leaving because of the "great shakes"!

Zack

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#: 3794 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    25-May-90  00:08:31
Sb: #3724-No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack;

  'Zactly my point!  %-)  Mebbe we'll be neighbors soon, eh?

..Jim

#: 3723 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  23:37:23
Sb: #3592-No' Carolina
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kev Did you know that Damn Yankees is a new band consisting of Tommy Shaw, Ted
Nugent, Jack Blades, and a ekeyboard player !!


TC

#: 3714 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  22:37:34
Sb: #3710-#Help with Shar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Nope, I'm pretty ignorant of unix tools. I wonder if Simmy's done the 16-bit
compression thingie for OSK?

Thanks - if you get a chance to post the compress, that'd be great!

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#: 3730 S9/Utilities
    23-May-90  00:33:10
Sb: #3714-#Help with Shar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kev -

Simmy ported our version from a 16 bit unix PD compress, so I'm sure he does
have it...

I'll try to remember to post it.

Pete

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#: 3755 S9/Utilities
    23-May-90  21:44:17
Sb: #3730-#Help with Shar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete - the compress worked fine! Much thanks.

Now trying to get the source (of the file I got) to compile is a whole other
deal... <sigh>.

thx again! kev

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#: 3762 S9/Utilities
    23-May-90  22:43:21
Sb: #3755-#Help with Shar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Walll ... ahl be. I wonder if our new weirdo modems did any neato-beanie
compression of their own, or if I just time warped while uploading. Either/both
is possible....

Pete

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#: 3770 S9/Utilities
    24-May-90  06:04:09
Sb: #3762-#Help with Shar
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Could be--you have MNP Level 5 or greater?  (I think that's where they start
compressing behind your computer's back.)

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#: 3776 S9/Utilities
    24-May-90  10:07:46
Sb: #3770-Help with Shar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ -

Mebbe, but what's weird is that Kermit (C-Kermit) typically displays a period
'.' every 4 packets (approx 4 * 94 bytes), and I was moving a file that was
37K+... I only saw about 5 periods.. Oh well, whatever the case it appears to
have worked (?)..

Pete

#: 3716 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  22:48:21
Sb: #3633-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kev I don't have problems starting window from Gshell (MV) except when I want
to kill mv and keep some windows going, I get a msg saying that some procs are
still running. Solution, start some windowsfrom my startup file. I now have 1
80*24, 2 80*12 (one over the other), and 2 40*24 windows come up when I boot
up, in addition to MV. I wanted to get fancy and show off my coco3/os9 by
jumping to each window after it was created and either display a picture or a
have a msg or something else neat being displayed. But I can't get that damn
display 1b21 to work. Keith Alphonso gave me some insight on how to get around
this, but I think I left it at my old residence! Anyway, what does wmode do ?
Do I need it. I seem to be able to create windows with wcreate ok, as well as
some of the utilities that Keith sells. I'm pretty sure I was able to do this
many moons ago when I was only into os9 lII about a year or so (yeah, like I'm
a real veteran now, right !), but it eludes me again. I assume that the 1b20's
accomplish the same thing as wcreate ????

I wish I could use my coco3 at work instead of a PC. Just think, I could have
windows (or a form of them) for about $200, and segment offsets to boot! What a
deal. Can't see how Intel ever swayed the industry with that knind of
architecture.


TC

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#: 3729 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  00:29:33
Sb: #3716-Selecting windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony,

Right, 1b20 xx's do the same thing as wcreate does (altho wcreate also iniz's
the window I think).

Wmode lets you set up all windows to default to 80x24, which is handy if you
like to start applications just by "program <>>>/w&", y'see.

I think with the latest info I gave you, you should be able to do what you
want, more or less. Not everything is possible with any windowing system. The
rules for us with the 1b21 Select code are fairly simple:

* For immediate visible change to take place, you must be running off the
current interactive window. This makes sense, as you wouldn't want any program
in the world to switch windows on you while you're typing or mousing... just
the ones which you yourself have chosen via the CLEAR key.

* Just as with any other char or escape code, you can't force Select past a
program which is already using that window. If you have Basic09 in W3, for
example, doing "display 1b21 >/w3" from another window will hang until you went
to W3 manually and hit ENTER a coupla times for basic09 to let the code make it
thru.

* Other rules. I'll go into detail later. I think the previous msg will help if
you study it some. Let me know what you figure out - kev

#: 3717 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  22:54:45
Sb: #3637-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Cool. But I bet there are still a lot of people at Tandy who don't realize what
a coco3 and LII can do. Have they heard of the Disto 1Meg bd ? Have they seen
Ultimuse, OSterm, Window Writer or other great programs ? How about the 85MEG
hard drive I have here next to me. No, must be a PC or a VAX. Can't possibly be
a color computer.

TC Cool. But I bet the real influences at Tandy still don't realize what the
coco & LII [D [D [D [D

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#: 3727 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  00:28:40
Sb: #3717-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

The COCO people at Tandy of course know what it can do. But the PC types have
more say down there, obviously.

#: 3718 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  22:59:57
Sb: #3645-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete. Wwhere did you come from. Long time no RX/TX. Yes I believe I have read
the serial.txt file, but will double check my documentation directory. I'll be
right back.

Ok. I'm back. Ssorry about the delay. Looks like I have a file called
rs232c.txt
 It may be the same file. Maybe I renamed it. I did not do the irqhak, I did
the diode hack, which turned out to be pretty unreliabel. Maybe I'll try the
IRQHAK. TC

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#: 3731 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  00:35:35
Sb: #3718-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony -

Oh, I've been here all along. I have been a little less obvious of late because
of an intensive travel period, but things are getting back to normal now.

Pete

#: 3758 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  21:52:16
Sb: #3706-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Slim, slime.

Such is the power of the silent e.

This is a case for LETTERMAN! (forgive the reference to Electric Company on
such a stuffy sig.)

Paul

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#: 3771 S15/Hot Topics
    24-May-90  06:06:12
Sb: #3758-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

"But my brother Sam stayed just the same..."  --Tom Lehrer

Us, stuffy? <grin>

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#: 3797 S15/Hot Topics
    25-May-90  11:43:57
Sb: #3771-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Ha! Paul

#: 3757 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  21:50:18
Sb: #3698-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524

Jim,

Yeah, the folks who use OS-9/68K in the field must NEVER play games, 'cause
there are just so darn few of them for OSK.

That will change with the MM/1, though, because the graphics will give
programmers lots of incentive. And I hope they take advantage of the
sound/MIDI, too.

The GUI will look fundamentally like Open Look's latest version (see Open
Windows from Sun, v. 2 or better). Much much classier than Mac, Amiga, or
Motif.

I haven't seent he Amiga 3000's new windowing stuff yet, but I feel very good
about the direction Commodore is taking with the Amiga.

Paul

#: 3719 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  23:02:23
Sb: #3650-Modem Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Yes. The rs232 pak is in slot 1. I'll look into the IRQ hack as well as
serial.txt. IT just doesn't seem possible that this would cause my modem to not
be able to dial the Hound & Lion BBS. Just doesn't make sense. I can dial other
numbers, reliably !!


THANX


TC

#: 3720 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  23:08:47
Sb: #3697-Univ BBS Marketing
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273

~ James;

  I tried calling after reading your initial message.

  Using 8-N-1 @ 2400 baud, I was able to logon successfully, but it seemed that
the screen was out of synch with where it should have been - i.e. only half of
a menu would appear before pausing for my input.

  Finally gave up in frustration.  What kind of software are you using?

  ...Jim

#: 3743 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  16:22:18
Sb: #3697-#Univ BBS Marketing
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273

For what it's worth... it's my opinion that the day when a company or a
institution that's trying to sell something can set up a BBS and be relatively
assured of market penatration is past, long past.

So, perhaps you're not getting the word out as you might have some time in the
past.  That's problem #1.

Second problem is the fact that every mother and her sons and daughters are
offering seminars and "short courses" and the like.  If I get less than 25-30
advertisements from folks hawking everything from management seminars to
courses a month in how to plug in a computer, I consider asking the post office
to check on the health of my postal carrier!

As far as the free magazines go... who's got time to read all they get now,
free or subscription? I need one more?  If I did, the chances are that I've
already started the process to getting it.  Besides... "free magazines" is a
code word that marketers use meaning "let me send you some slick & glossy
advertisements that we tried to disguise as a magazine in the hopes that you'll
read it."  Even beloved CompuServe used that tactic for years with "Online
Today", and have since at least changed the name back to what it should have
been in the first place "CompuServe Magazine".  Is your "free magazine" that
different from what I've described?

Don't mean this to sound like a shotgun blast, James, but having been involved
in the videotext industry for a few years, it's interesting to watch how well,
and how poorly, marketing efforts attempt to use telecommunications media such
as videotext.

Wayne

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#: 3747 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  18:26:12
Sb: #3743-Univ BBS Marketing
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)

      Yeah Wayne!

#: 3721 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  23:26:10
Sb: #3638-Window Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I like this idea about using /w instead of a specific window #. I'll hac [Dv
[Dhave to modify [Dmy proceuder files for that.

TONY

#: 3725 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  23:44:08
Sb: OSTERM
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Vaughn Cato

Vaughn.

I reallly like osterm. I wisj [DI would have listened to everybody and switched
over a long time ago. I have a few probelms I need help with (not my typos).
Aas you can see there are a few funny chars. in this meaagssage, primarily
([D's. This happens when I press the left arrow while in osterm. Sometimes it
will backspace, sometimes it wont. Also when I have selectes to receive a file
while downloading, and the little window is displayed with the words pick lits,
whenever I type in s a filename, the line gets erased and  sometimes it will
beep at me. I know there is not a file with the same name in that directory. I
finally had to press break, hoping it would kill the program, because I could
not get anywhere. When I hit break, it finally started to download. Is there a
better version of the documentation available ?

Keep up the good wokr. Looking forward to more excellent work from you.

TC

#: 3726 S6/Applications
    22-May-90  23:52:44
Sb: WINDOW WRITER V1.3
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: ALL

Does anyone out there use WINDOW WRITER from Owl Wware. I just received version
1.3 (a $15 upgrade) that fixes some of the bugs in v 1.2. I think it is a nice
word processor, although I wish it had some features that I use  in the text
editors at work. (Anybody out there ever use Epsilon 4.0 or EMACS on the PC ?
You know what I mean about features.) Anyway i have been lacking a word
processor for LII until WW came along. Ever try writing a C program with edit ?
Sucks eggs. The main bug fix is that WW now unlinks all it's little ram buddies
when it is done. It would make your memory look ike swiss cheese before, and
not much free cheese left either ! I haven't tried using all the other features
to see if they have been fixed. I don't know what everybody else uses under
LII, but I do like WW and recommend it IF you a considering bying a word
processor.

TC

#: 3732 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  02:11:47
Sb: #3675-#Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hi Pete,
  Thanks for your help. I'm using Wiz and the RS232-Pak to send this message. I
found a switch on the inside of the modem. The manual said the CTS is set to
forced on at the factory. But it was set to off. This is a used modem, so
someone has been inside. I was ready to give it up.

Thanks, Butch

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#: 3735 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  10:42:59
Sb: #3732-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

Butch ...

Good stuff. Glad to see you running.

Pete

#: 3733 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  02:15:12
Sb: #3711-#Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Hi Steve,
  You are right. I read the manual and found a switch inside the modem that had
been changed from the factory setting. It drove me nuts. But I'm run on OS9 and
Wiz right now. Thank You for your help.

Butch

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#: 3750 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  19:09:44
Sb: #3733-#Help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

I just love a success story! Glad we were able to point you in the right
direction. You did all the work.

Steve

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#: 3774 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  08:33:34
Sb: #3750-#Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Hi Steve,
 Sure am glad that everyone here is here. Otherwise alot of OS9 users wouldn't
be users. To many cracks to fall thru when learning OS9. I think everyone must
need the help of old <grin> users. Thanks, Butch

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#: 3777 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  10:12:03
Sb: #3774-#Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

Butch -

Probably true... In the old days when there were no OLD USERS (must be talking
about you, Kevin ;^})... we had to light small fires, chant, and sacrifice
small animals (mostly belonging to obnoxious neighbors..) to get things figured
out. Things are surely a lot nicer now.

A side anecdote: were you all aware that Kevin wasn't  an _early_ os9 user? He
was a staunch RSDOS-er. Worm has turned, eh?

Pete

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#: 3786 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  19:27:40
Sb: #3777-#Help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hey. Hey. Hey! <grin> I was never a "staunch" RSDOS-er. Just not an early OS9
user. I got it the moment it came out for the CoCo, but because I wasn't on a
network, I didn't have anything I could really do with it at first (well, I did
a partial CoCoMax clone in a pmode 4 screen which no one has ever seen ... each
tool (brush/erasor/etc) was a different program which loaded on the fly -
reason I built a 128K upgrade and wrote the first coco ramdisk driver for os9).

But yep, I didn't use OS9 all the time. Pete was way ahead of us on that... of
course <smile>, having a L-II box certainly helped there, eh?!

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#: 3790 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  20:57:48
Sb: #3786-#Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

You build a 128K upgrade for the CoCo2? Neat!

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#: 3791 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  22:54:26
Sb: #3790-Help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Yeah, built a 128K coco-1 for myself and a friend. Then DSL (and later J&R)
came out with commercial 128K upgrades, and DSL sold my ramdisk for L-I...
which is how I met a lot of people like the LR Tech guys at my first fest: they
knew my name from the ramdisk driver... which people had taken apart and used
to help write hard disk drivers with!

Funny thing is, I based my ramdisk driver on the hard disk driver published in
Kilobaud magazine by.... Pete Lyall's old boss! Small world, eh?

#: 3793 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  23:23:39
Sb: #3786-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kev -

Actually, I didn't get the Gimix until about 1985. I was running on an 'E'
board 32K that I hacked to 64K, a Wordpak I, and a PRO systems 10 MB hard disk.
Prior to that, I had been running w/o the hard disk, but used a 40DSDD and 2
80DSDD's under Flex, using a borrowed VT-100 out of the serial port. Best
damned bit banger driver I ever saw was in FLEX... 9600 baud FDX, if I recall.
Before that...... nah..

Pete

#: 3785 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  19:11:53
Sb: #3774-Help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

Butch,

It's hard to forget the path we've traveled in the past. We've all been there.
You'll get your turn to offer the tidbits soon enough.

Glad things were so easy to fix!

Steve

#: 3734 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  09:49:03
Sb: H+L
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104


Hi Tony,
  If it is the same Hound and Lion in Calif. it shut down. Paul is moving. It
was a good BBS. And Paul was SysOp that eveyone would like to have running a
BBS.

Butch./EXIT

#: 3736 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  12:12:22
Sb: #3663-Extra owend
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin, your suggestion is right on target!  That is exactly how I handle error
trapping in my programs that use overlays.  Then I just do a FOR/NEXT loop and
end each overlay.  Works rather well.

Floyd

#: 3746 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  17:45:28
Sb: #3663-#Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Hi Kev--There are other windows opened in the calling procedure which aren't
generated by this particular procedure. Both error 216 and (2and3) are caught
by the same trap. Yet when it's processed as 2and3 I need an extra owend. The
procedure is a utility to take text files and reformat them into two columns.
I'm almost done with it but I dont like leaving odd quirks like this in the
works. If you or anyone would like, I can send the source (unpolished), I just
didn't want to put it in the Library that way.

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#: 3748 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  18:30:46
Sb: #3746-#Extra owend
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)

Phil - so it always needs the extra owend with errors 2/3? I tried your snippet
of code here and all worked okay. So sure, AR up your source and email it to
me, and I'll take a quick look if you want.

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#: 3799 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-May-90  17:31:06
Sb: #3748-Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

thanks Kev--I'll ar09 it and send it to your E-MAIL

#: 3745 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  17:38:13
Sb: #3655-Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Sorry about that Pete!

#: 3738 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  14:12:35
Sb: #VT-100
Fm: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527
To: Anyone

Does anyone know of a Os9 Terminal program that does VT100 emuation? It has to
be Os9 and I would like if it were not real big. (Need to run 2 other windows
at the same time with programs). Wiz, I know has VT52 but I need Vt-100
thanks..

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#: 3749 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  19:04:48
Sb: #3738-VT-100
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 (X)

Try KBCom by Eddie Kuns. Currently it is shareware with a COmmercial version
due out soon. Does VT100 GREAT!!!

Zack

#: 3739 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  16:02:44
Sb: #rs232/sterm
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To:  76576,3312 (X)

Ed,
        I received your disk today. My only problem is getting my rs232 cable
to work on the pt68k. I have a hays compatible modem (Goldstar). I have had bad
experiences with rs232s before so I'm a little gun shy to say the least. Thanks
for the disks. Oh, one other question... I am using t0 as my terminal and t1 as
my modem, so from my terminal do I type

Sterm /t1 ???

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#: 3769 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-May-90  05:51:26
Sb: #3739-#rs232/sterm
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

Hi Scott!

Fred ships the PT with only 4 wires connected to the serial connectors. You
will have to add a lead from pin 1 (of J11, J12, J21, J22 on the board) to pin
8 of the appropriate serial connector.  If you call Fred, he'lll send you a set
of jumpers.  Make up your serial cable straight through except reverse pins 2 &
3 on one end.

I only use STERM for CIS - I use sterm -f /t3
 t3 is my modem port, -f tells CIS to use B+ protocol for file transfers.

re UUCP/USENET

Read James Jones answer to you. Mark Griffith is working on a port of UUCP for
the CoCo.  When he's finished, I think he plans on porting it to OSK.

There is a version of UUCP already ported to OSK.  This was done by the TOP
Group in Munich, Germany.  I haven't gotten it to work and I don't know anyone
in the US who has.  Documentation is sketchy and written partly in German.  The
source code is not available.  TOP UUCP is part of a set of 15 discs.  This is
their Release 2.  In addition to UUCP, they include some games (which I haven't
tried) and lots of neat utilities which I do use. They also include a new
'Bourne' shell (I haven't tried it yet but I do use their older 'C' shell which
is great).

This software is public domain.  I've agreed to help distribute them in the US.
I can send you a set if you want for $50.00 (to cover copying costs, shipping,
etc).  I can provide them on 3 1/2 or 5 1/4 discs.  The format is MIZAR (some
of the discs will not fit on standard OS9).  In your /dd/CMDS/BOOTOBJS
directory, you should have a driver 'x0' which is the MIZAR driver.  Use that
or dmode /d0 and set tos to 0010.

Ed

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#: 3773 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-May-90  08:22:49
Sb: #3769-rs232/sterm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Re: TOP UUCP

> ... haven't gotten it to work and I don't know anyone in the US who has.

Darn!  I've been pushing Barry Bond to dust that off and give it a spin. I'd
like to add an OSK machine to the testing fray. Mayhaps between the 3 of us,
something can be done? (well ... maybe the two of you. I'll just stand back and
watch :-)    )

Steve

#: 3740 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  16:04:42
Sb: #uucp/usenet
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To:  76576,3312 (X)

Whoops, another question.... How can I get an account for UUCP or USENET. I
have very little familiarity with these networks so can you fill me in!!!!

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#: 3753 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  20:37:39
Sb: #3740-uucp/usenet
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

USENET is a collection of systems, mostly running Unix, that communicate via
phone lines and ship news around.  UUCP is the name of the program, under Unix
at least, that is used to send files between machines.

To get an account, find a system that is on USENET, and ask the system
administrators if you can have an account.

#: 3741 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  16:07:15
Sb: #pt68k/rs232
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: all

I have a pk68k running osk of course. How do you wire a rs232 up to a hays
compatible modem (Goldstar) I have had bad experiences with rs323s before and I
am a little gun shy to say the least. thanks.

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#: 3752 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  19:19:08
Sb: #3741-pt68k/rs232
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

Scott,

The file SERIAL.TXT in LIB 1 (or maybe 2) will give you a good background on
serial communications including the wiring examples you're looking for.

Steve

#: 3761 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-May-90  22:39:12
Sb: #3741-pt68k/rs232
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

Scott -

See SERIAL.TXT in DL2... should have most of the answers you need.

Pete

#: 3756 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  21:46:34
Sb: #3696-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Richard Ries 76057,3534

Rich,

Sure will! We have two mailings going out this week, and one next! I'll sneak
your name in.

Hey, I've still got a  CoCo 2 hanging around with a composite output adapter!

Still alive and kickin.

OTOH, this MM/1 is spoiling me fast. Gotta random line drawing program
screaming in another window while I'm online .. looks great in 256 colors!

Paul

Just trying to whet the appetite for the MM/1!



#: 3766 S15/Hot Topics
    24-May-90  02:50:21
Sb: #3687-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Paul, do you want some space in the next MOTD? You qualify as a "Boot".

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#: 3796 S15/Hot Topics
    25-May-90  11:43:32
Sb: #3766-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267

Gosh, Bill! Sure!

Let's get in touch on the telephone soon!

When's the deadline?

Paul

#: 3759 S15/Hot Topics
    23-May-90  21:53:22
Sb: #3708-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Yeah, I spoke with Kim Kempf a couple of weeks ago about POSIX compatibility --
it's on the schedule, but down the road.

Paul

#: 3760 S3/Languages
    23-May-90  22:37:53
Sb: #Silly questions
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: All

 Hi all... Is it possible to use attribute bytes (as when programming in RSDOS
assembler) to control the look of text in an OS-9 assembly program? Are the
attribute bytes part of the hardware? Are they still there (accessed by display
codes) or is text handled in a completely different way? Would sure be handy -
in my program I have text already printed that I want to highlight selected
sections of, but I'm not sure how, other than rewriting it. I guess using attr
bytes would mean cheating, unless someone wrote some kind of program to access
them so one wouldn't have to write directly to screen (though the access
program would write directly...). Hmmm...
 Is there an easy way to set up a text screen, VDG style, so that the process
can write directly to it and do it 'legally'? Albert Marsh 76234,2740 uploaded
a set of Basic09 procedures that I think do something very similar, but I've
had trouble making it work. I think he uploaded it as fastes.ar. The B09 file
is called LoadSave.B09. Any ideas? Would definitely make things move MUCH
faster - I know, cause I'm porting my RSDOS assembler program to OS-9 and
finding OS-9 unacceptably slow, even using all the tricks I can find to make it
faster (buffering large amounts of screen data before writing it). The program,
under RSDOS, was great. In OS-9, it falls a bit short... So far anyway...

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#: 3763 S3/Languages
    23-May-90  22:48:41
Sb: #3760-#Silly questions
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Glen - Not sure about the attribute question... do you mean to cause the
listing to be highlighted? If that's what you mean, then probably not.

If you just want to see part of a listing, you can embed OPT directives for 'l'
and '-l' to turn listing on and off.

Re: writing to VDG screens... I believe so. You can use a i$getstt call to get
the base of screen memory, and then use that as a working pointer for your
operations. Again, that's VDG only.

Pete

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#: 3765 S3/Languages
    24-May-90  00:37:20
Sb: #3763-#Silly questions
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hi Pete... Here's the situation: I have a screen full of text. I want to search
through the buffer it was written from for a match to a string of bytes (ie.
FF00). When (if) a match is found, I want to highlight the text on the screen.
 Thing is, I don't want to use a VDG screen if I can help it. Y If what I think
is correct, I can't use overlay windows on a VDG, right? If I can't use overlay
windows, the whole thing gets pretty tough. Hmmm... It used to run without them
under RSDOS, and worked well - but expectations were lower then. Maybe I'll try
it with a VDG screen and see what I think...



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#: 3775 S3/Languages
    24-May-90  10:04:26
Sb: #3765-#Silly questions
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Glen -

Getting out of my territory here.. the winders gurus are Kevin, Mark, and that
crowd. I believe your assumptions are basically sound though. I don't know if
there's a way to manipulate a non-VDG window in the way you describe, without
cheating. One possibilty: have a look at VEFIO in the DL10 area... it does some
organized, controlled cheating (if there is such a thing) along the lines
you're working with.

Pete

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#: 3788 S3/Languages
    24-May-90  20:55:16
Sb: #3775-Silly questions
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hi Pete... VEFIO I have looked at, but it's SO complex! I really don't want my
program to have to rely on it. I'm still trying things...

#: 3764 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-90  23:16:13
Sb: #VT-100
Fm: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527
To:  76407,1524 (X)

KBComm sounds great. Where can I get it. I looked onCIS but it wasn't here. If
I could download it that would be great.

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#: 3778 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  16:53:56
Sb: #3764-#VT-100
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 (X)

I checked the libs after recommending it, and fer sure it ain't there. So I
sent a message to the author "over there". If he OKs it, I will be submitting
it tonight.

Zack

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#: 3783 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  19:00:48
Sb: #3778-#VT-100
Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack,
    I asked the same question to Eddie a while back (about up-loading KBCOM
here).  He gave me a very definate YES!!! He also was surprised that it was not
here already.  I have not done it since I have been embroiled in other matters
as of late.  For what it is worth, you can go ahead.  Eddie said that he had
included this permission in the docs.  If you have it on your machine, you can
get your answer there.  I have been forced into the MSDOS world since I moved
last summer, and have not found a way to de-arc OS9 programs on this machine so
I can't get to the docs for KBCOM without unpacking a lot of boxes and setting
up the COCO3, which I should have done months ago.  Hope this helps.  Cheers,
Don Spoon.

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#: 3789 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-90  20:56:21
Sb: #3783-VT-100
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X)

Thanks, will do!

#: 3779 S5/OS9 Users Group
    24-May-90  16:55:19
Sb: #OS/2
Fm: Avi 76117,3506
To: all

I have a 100Mg drive split into 3 equal partitions, C,D,E. MS-Dos is on drive E
and D also has files for dos. there is nothing on C. Is there any way to put
OS/2 on C  so that I can use it when I want.  Thank you all in advance.

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#: 3780 S5/OS9 Users Group
    24-May-90  17:06:11
Sb: #3779-OS/2
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Avi 76117,3506

Avi -

You may have the wrong Forum... this is the OS9 forum. OS9 is a Unix-similar
operating system that until recently was just available for Motorola
processors. Now OS-9000 supports 386 and 486 as well.

In any case, you may be better off if you try the IBM SYSTEM FORUM (GO IBMSYS).

Pete

#: 3792 S5/OS9 Users Group
    24-May-90  23:00:33
Sb: #3779-OS/2
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Avi 76117,3506

Got me; I don't use OS/2.  I use OS-9.

#: 3781 S1/General Interest
    24-May-90  18:57:01
Sb: #3670-#dead TTX
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

uhhh....well...its like this.....I put it out on the trash heap when I moved a
few months back. After the second (or was it third?) power supply, I gave up,
and I didn't take any notes. Good luck! :-)

Bill

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#: 3784 S1/General Interest
    24-May-90  19:10:15
Sb: #3781-dead TTX
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523

<wicked grin>

As I mentioned ... I have 7 ready and waiting for the same fate unless I can
rig it.

 I dropped a note off to the last known address of the company.. . but I'm
highly doubtful I'll hear anything.

Failing this ... got a good lead on a couple of _inexpensive_ terminals?

Steve

#: 3782 S3/Languages
    24-May-90  18:57:04
Sb: #3673-F$Fork
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

That's exactly what I did in a recent utility I wrote. I could only guesstimate
the actual size of the output file, so I set the size to the max I thought it
might be, to try to get it in one contiguous chunk, if possible. Then I just
made sure to set the file size equal to the current position in the file when
all done, works great, no counters to maintain!

Bill

#: 3787 S9/Utilities
    24-May-90  20:53:13
Sb: Shell+ compatibility
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: All

I have run into a major compatibilty problem with shell+ and FIle System
repack.  It seems that the two really do not get along.  I did a backup and
defrag a month ago and ended up having to reformat and recover my data because
repack totally fraged my 20 meg drive.  I started at 32% frag and ended at 64
or so frag. If anyone knows if there is a known compatibilty problem, please
tell me, other wise I will notify the author some way or another
thanx 

#: 3795 S15/Hot Topics
    25-May-90  01:01:58
Sb: oh THAT Darn Computer
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: sysop (X)

I have just uploaded an announcment for the TC70, a 68070 based color graphic
computer for the Tomcat line. Please check it out and make it available to the
guys.

Thanks Frank

#: 3798 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    25-May-90  17:16:47
Sb: #still having problems
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To:  76576,3312

Hey Ed,
        I put those wires from pin 1 of the jumper to pin 8 of the rs232 and it
still does'nt work. I bought a rs232 tester and it indicates that the RTS is
still low,( the green light is off on tester). Both RD/TD are RED. I also
swapped pins two and three. Wow, I am having a real problem, Please help me out
<grin>.

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#: 3800 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    25-May-90  18:39:01
Sb: #3798-still having problems
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641

Scott -

If you're talking about a typical DB-25 connector, pin 1 is frame ground, and
pin 8 is CARRIER DETECT. Better you should jumper 20 to 8 and 6. Pin 20 is Data
Terminal Ready (DTR), and comes up when the port is opened. This pwill cause
DCD (8) and DSR (6) to become true every time DTR comes up.

See SERIAL.TXT in DL2 for additional info.

Pete

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