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July, 1993 _EJournal_ Volume 3 Number 1 ISSN 1054-1055
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There are 996 lines in this issue.
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An Electronic Journal concerned with the
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implications of electronic networks and texts.
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3,059 Subscribers in 37 Countries
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University at Albany, State University of New York
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EJOURNAL@ALBANY.bitnet
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********* Framework for this experimental HtxtRdr issue **************
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- Read Me First -- Using the DOS-based HtxtRdr -- Read Me First -
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If you can't use DOS, or don't want to go to the trouble outlined
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below, you can scroll through this issue of _EJournal_ as you usually
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do, ignoring the whole experiment.
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The experimental "hypertext reader" itself, at the end of the text,
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has been compressed and ASCII encoded so that it will fit in this
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sending of _EJournal_; you will need to do some decoding and
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decompressing to get ready to use HtxtRdr.
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You will need:
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A. A DOS-based machine (IBM-compatible, 286 or higher) with a hard
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disk drive.
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B. A way to download files from your network account to the DOS
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machine.
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C. Access to the software UUDECODE and UNZIP. You may have them; they
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are available on many mainframe systems (ask your system
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administrator). The pair is also available as shareware for DOS:
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(ftp the unzipper, UNZ50P1.EXE, from wuarchive.wustl.edu -
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directory /mirrors/msdos/zip/unz50p1.exe [40K bytes];
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(ftp the decoder, UUEXE521.ZIP, from procyon.cis.ksu.edu -
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directory /pub/PC/UnixLike/uuexe521.zip [32K bytes]).
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i) Before trying to download from an ftp site, confirm that the
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journal file and the program files will fit on your DOS machine's
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hard disk, and that they can be transferred in a reasonable time
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through your modem [Total: about 124K bytes].
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ii) If you decide to download from an ftp site, remember to issue
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the BIN command before asking to GET the files.
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iii) Before using the ftp'd programs, you will need to prepare them
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using these DOS commands:
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> UNZ50P1 [unzips the unzipper]
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> UNZIP UUEXE521.ZIP [unzips the decoder]
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Then you should be ready to follow steps 1, 2, ... below.
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Here's the procedure: [this is line 61]
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You will probably want to extract and download this whole e-mail
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message, containing _EJournal_ V3N1 [about 52K bytes], to your DOS
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machine, and then *print for reference* the screens/ pages
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containing these instructions, before starting the procedure. In the
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illustrations that follow, we have used the name V3N1.TXT for the
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downloaded file; you can use any file.name you want; be consistent.
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It is possible to do the decoding and decompressing before
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downloading; we are not providing detailed instructions for following
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that route, but the essential sequence, outlined below, is the same.
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The HtxtRdr program must be unencoded and decompressed. To do this:
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<1> At line 852, use a text editor to cut the coded "reader" program
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from the body of _EJournal_ itself. Give the new file, the "reader"
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program file, the name HYPERD.UUE .
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<2> From the DOS prompt, step through the following command sequence.
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[Be sure that the hyperd.uue file, and the "V3N1.txt" file, and your
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uudecode. and unzip. files are in the same DOS directory.]
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<3> > UUDECODE HYPERD.UUE [which creates HYPERD.ZIP for you]
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<4> > UNZIP HYPERD.ZIP [which creates HYPERD.EXE]
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<5> > HYPERD V3N1.TXT
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<6> From there on, follow the on-screen instructions, responding to
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the question, "Which EJournal file ...?" with V3N1.TXT (or whatever
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full file.name you have assigned the _EJournal_ text itself).
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In order to leap to a footnote, type the "f" key and then the number
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of the note. To return to the screen where you were before you
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jumped, tap Return.
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The cursor itself cannot be moved. You can use the (S)creen command
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to align the HtxtRdr with the number of lines/ rows your screen
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displays.
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(Inside the HtxtRdr, the line numbering may not agree exactly with the
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plaintext issue's line numbers; cutting out the mail header will
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help.)
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HtxtRdr puts a "menu" line, reminding you of these (and the other)
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instructions, and that line number, at the bottom of the screen.
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If you decide to try the HtxtRdr, please let us know how it worked for
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you. Thanks. Enjoy. (The source code is available.)
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EJOURNAL@ALBANY.bitnet
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CONTENTS: [this is line 110]
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Using the HtxtRdr ("Read Me First") [ Begins at line 21]
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Editorial Note [ Begins at line 162 ]
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Ocularities [ Begins at line 174 ]
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Dilworth - Levine Exchange:
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More about Copyright and Costs [ Begins at line 197
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Levine 206
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Dilworth 267
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Levine - 2 370
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Dilworth - 2 395
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Levine - 3 443
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Dilworth - 3 513
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Levine - 4 543 ]
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Lenoble Request:
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Computer Generated Literature [ Begins at line 560 ]
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Snippets from Inter\face 3 [ Begins at line 630 ]
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Springer-Verlag Announcement:
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Tables of Contents and Biblio/Abstracts [ Begins at line 682 ]
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Notes accompanying V3N1 [ Begin at line 710 ]
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Information about _EJournal_ - [ Begins at line 733 ]
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About Subscriptions and Back Issues
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About Supplements to Previous Texts
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About Letters to the Editors
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About Reviews
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About _EJournal_
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People - [ Begins at line 812 ]
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Board of Advisors
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Consulting Editors
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HtxRdr program (also the "Cut Here" line) [ Begins at line 852 ]
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*This electronic publication and its contents are (c) copyright 1993 by *
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*_EJournal_. Permission is hereby granted to give away the journal and *
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*its contents, but no one may "own" it. Any and all financial interest *
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*is hereby assigned to the acknowledged authors of individual texts. *
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*This notification must accompany all distribution of _EJournal_. *
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Editorial Note - [line 162]
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Ben Henry has written a miniature "hypertext" Reader for _EJournal_.
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We want readers to be able to move around inside each issue without
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having to scroll back and forth. We also would like to make every
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issue self contained, HtxtRdr and all. And we don't want to overload
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mailboxes, so we try to keep each issue to moderate length. These
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constraints have squeezed us into the experimental format being tried
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in this issue. We'd like to hear your reactions to the experiment.
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Ocularities - [line 174]
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This "Letter to the Editor," a response to V2N5, did come with
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a headnote, but we have put that note at the end of the issue in order
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to play with our "Reader" framework -- [issue footnote # ^1^ ]
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As background use in wide-area network,
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Usenet readers grow far more varied shrooms;
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And wide-awakened neckworts use more room,
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hourly readings of buckgrinders groan;
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Groundless netknees in glowing arc,
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wise usurer works very mossbacked looms;
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You, reader, farmer fairied hack ingrown,
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ask not whose ideas bagroom networds clone.
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As far as why-dangled rumors go, be brown-weed mulchers back?
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We've more news yet:
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No scent, no vine-grown musk is more U,
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than is mine blow-rheum to the WELL-met!
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Dilworth - Levine Exchange - [line 197]
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An interchange between John Levine and John Dilworth, following
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John Dilworth's essay about electronic copyright in _EJournal_
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Volume One, Number Three dash Two (September, 1992). See also
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Volume Two, Number Four
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From: John Levine [line 206]
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The argument in recent issues of _EJournal_ about electronic copyright
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seems to have been argued in a vacuum. Real authors are not going to
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write for free.
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Let me briefly state who I am: I'm the editor and publisher of the
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Journal of C Language Translation, and also an author of several
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computer books. Last year I co-authored ``Graphics File Formats''
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for Windcrest and extensively revised ``Lex and Yacc'' for O'Reilly.
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At the moment I'm working on ``Unix for Dummies'' for IDG and
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``Programming for Graphics Files'' for Wiley. I have a PhD from
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Yale, too, and do some teaching and consulting but I consider myself
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primarily an author.
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Dilworth asserts that electronic media are so different from previous
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media that authors would forego payment for their work because the
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fame they gained from electronic publication would somehow let them
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pay their bills. That's very hard to believe. Real authors write for
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money. Yes, we enjoy the fame and the freedom to structure our own
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time, but the money is critical. I am hardly the first to voice this
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opinion; Boswell wrote ``No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for
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money.''[issue note # ^2^ ] A minority may write to gain leverage
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for consulting or academic appointments, but most of us writers treat
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writing as a job which we couldn't do without pay.
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Dilworth also suggests that there'd no problem obtaining manuscripts
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since publishers are already swamped with them. Despite having
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mountainous slush piles, publishers pay, sometimes hundreds of
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thousands of dollars, for the manuscripts that they do publish. The
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reason, of course, is that the slush pile consists of junk, no more
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suitable for electronic than for paper publication. To get quality
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manuscripts, publishers pay their authors. One might as well argue
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that there is no need to pay college faculty, since there are so many
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applicants for any position. [line 240]
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Publishers are certainly not opposed to electronic publication. In
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my role as publisher of the _Journal of C Language Translation_, I
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would love to distribute the journal electronically, but it just
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isn't practical, because from electronic versions I can't currently
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get the income I need to pay the authors or to pay myself something
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for the time it takes.
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Given the ease with which electronic documents can be cited and
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excerpted, the traditional literary model of payment for a manuscript
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as a flat fee or per copy sold doesn't work very well. More
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appropriate would probably be something like the royalty scheme used
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for phonorecords (a quaint legal term encompassing CDs, tapes, real
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records, and any other recorded sound.) There is a normal flat or per
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copy fee, and also a low per-play fee when songs are played on the
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radio. Radio play fees are collected as flat fees from radio
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stations, based on the station size, and then apportioned to the
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authors and performers based on a statistical estimate of the number
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of times each phonorecord was played.
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Ted Nelson, the originator of hypertext, has given the issue of
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copyright and author compensation in electronic text media
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considerable thought. See notes ^3^ and ^4^ for details.
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From: John Dilworth [line 267]
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I appreciate John Levine's comments on my _EJournal_ article
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(Volume 1 Number 3-2) and on my subsequent exchange with Allen
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(_EJournal_ Volume 2 Number 4). In my reply I'll explore what may
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be some underlying common ground between us, to show that my view
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is not as unrealistic, nor as remote from his concerns, as he
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suggests. I'll also try to sharpen some areas of disagreement, and
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question some of Levine's presuppositions (as he does mine) in the
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hope of raising further issues of general interest to _EJournal_
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readers.
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First, on general orientation. It seems we both agree that,
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generally speaking, writers need to get some compensation from
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somewhere. According to Levine, "Real authors are not going to
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write for free." Let's initially assume that "for free" means:
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with no financial compensation of any kind, direct or indirect.
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Also, note that by "real authors" Levine seems to be referring to
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writers who have no alternative or related sources of income (such
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as from consulting or teaching). Under these conditions, it could
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generally be agreed (by me too) that such authors may need to be
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paid directly or indirectly for their writing.
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However, I would disagree with Levine's implied claims that only
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authors so-defined are 'real' authors in any interesting sense, and
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that such authors constitute the majority or the most important
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group of writers for the purpose of understanding cultural trends
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(such as the potential uses and viability of electronic media).
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Full-time professional writers in specialized areas of publishing
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are of course a significant part of literary culture, but their
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financial concerns cannot simply be assumed to apply to the
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remaining much larger and more heterogeneous group of authors
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making up the rest of our literary culture.
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As to the first claim, real poets who publish are 'real authors' in
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my book, yet most will do almost anything to get published with
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little or no concern about payment. They join the vast ranks of
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those who pursue the sciences and the arts at least partly for
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their own sake, amateur and professional enthusiasts of all kinds,
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professionals and other employees whose work is not exclusively
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writing, and in general any authors who are not faced with the
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absolute necessity of earning their living by writing alone. And
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even the last group could presumably write some items without
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needing payment (as long as they are paid enough for other items to
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cover their living expenses). [line 311]
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Levine's view in fact seems to be somewhat stronger than that
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represented above, in that the examples he gives are of various
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forms of direct payments to authors, and he finds it "..very hard
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to believe.." that indirect compensation resulting from social
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recognition could pay the bills of authors. However, a main point
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of my original article was that we could provide some compensation
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to authors of all kinds through such kinds of indirect compensation
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(some form of deferred or indirect payment or benefit) without
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undue emphasis having to be placed on copyright ownership or on
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immediate, direct payments to authors.
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For example, it seems likely that an author having something
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comparable to Levine's impressive list of current publishing
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projects would reap various deferred benefits from them, including
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related future publishing contracts or other employment offers
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(e.g., editing, software design, author recruiting, ..) whether or
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not the author were being directly compensated for any current
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projects. Admittedly this may be of little help to a full-time
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professional writer in a specialized market sector who only wants
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to write for that sector, but again we should be wary of
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generalizing this special case to the financial conditions of
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authors in general.
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Another possible area of agreement between Levine and myself is
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provided by an example which he gives toward the end of his piece,
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which in fact provides a good illustration of the idea of deferred
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compensation. He mentions that for electronic documents (and I
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would add, multimedia compilations of any kind which include some
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text), the traditional direct flat-fee or per-copy methods of
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payment don't work very well, and that some kind of royalty scheme
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would likely be more appropriate. I agree, and would note that
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such a scheme replaces an up-front payment for authorship with
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deferred payments based on social reactions to an author's work.
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My own previous suggestion of a fee to be paid by electronic
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subscribers to a journal etc., from which authors would be
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compensated, could be interpreted as a more generalized version of
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this, in which an increase in the number of subscribers would lead
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to greater compensation for all authors included in a journal.
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Note that this could hardly be regarded as an unrealistic
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suggestion, or as treating electronic media as a special case,
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since most journals in any media that are able to pay their authors
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already rely on subscriptions to generate their cash flow. Far
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from treating electronic media as being "..so different..", as
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Levine suggests, I have tried to emphasise their continuity with
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more traditional media.
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Others may wish to question Levine's apparent assumption that
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publishers have to pay authors in order to get quality manuscripts,
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and that anything which is rejected under such conditions must be
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"junk". To me a large part of the promise of electronic media
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resides in their potential ability to minimize the operation of
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harsh market forces which have little or nothing to do with
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literary merit.
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From: John Levine: [line 370]
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When I referred to "real authors" I had in mind people for whom writing
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for publication comprises a significant part of whatever work they do.
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I have to admit that I was only considering authors of prose -- poets
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have always had a tough time financially. (If you read the Atlantic
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Monthly, you may recall an article about a year ago regretting the
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influx of poets into academia, which has caused an enormous amount of
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overhyped bad poetry to be published. But I digress.)
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I'll stand firm on the question of whether material rejected by
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publishers is junk. Yes, there are anecdotes of wonderful books which
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were rejected by dozens of publishers before one picked it up. But
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that's hardly common. 99% of the junk in the slush pile is just that,
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junk. Also keep in mind that electronic distribution circumvents the
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physical printing and distribution of books, but that represents only
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about half of a book's cover price. Publishers have editors, copy
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editors, designers, and many other skilled people who make a book a lot
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more than a manuscript, and whose jobs are already largely computerized.
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I can't see that electronic distribution will make them unecessary. If
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publishing were no more than printing up copies of a manuscript, we
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could all be publishers.
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From: John Dilworth [line 395]
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If 'real authors' includes more than full-time specialist writers,
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(e.g., if it includes many academic writers) and if "for free" means
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no direct compensation, then we disagree on whether real authors will
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write for free.
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Levine has slightly backed off his original claim that all material
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rejected by publishers is junk, and now estimates that 99% of it is
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junk. If I can persuade him (and readers generally) to accept an
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estimate closer to 90% or even 95% of junk, then my point about the
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promise of electronic media as a cheap way to distribute high-quality
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materials can be maintained.
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Suppose that publishers in general reject around 95% of submissions,
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and hence publish 5% of them. (In one academic field I am familiar
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with, top journals accept only 1%-5% of articles submitted.) Then out
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of the remaining 95%, even if only 5-6% were comparable in quality to
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the published items, there would still be a roughly equal amount of
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good unpublished stuff in comparison to the 5% of published material.
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So potentially an inexpensive publication medium could at least double
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the amount of material published, with little or no loss of quality.
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Levine's additional point that there are some irreducible costs of
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publishing (for editing, designing etc.) whether or not materials are
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distributed electronically is a valid one. However, various
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technological and market forces should help both to cut these costs,
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and to help pay for them. The recent advent of desktop publishing
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software running on low-cost PC's allows a non-specialist to
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inexpensively carry out many of the tasks currently done by a team of
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specialists in professional publishing houses. (Typically, publishers
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who have computerized their operations are locked into expensive
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mini-computer based systems with specialized, proprietary software.)
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Also, there would be economies of scale in electronic publishing
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unavailable in the print world. A low subscription price (possible
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because no printing is required) could encourage large numbers of
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subscribers to sign up, which could generate just as much (if not
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more) revenue to cover publishing and authorship costs than the amount
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from the smaller number of subscribers willing to pay the higher
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prices of a print-based publication.
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From: John Levine [line 439]
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Here's an interesting data point: in the computer biz, the ACM
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(Association for Computing Machinery), the main professional society,
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has two sets of journals. The Transactions are conventional refereed
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journals, come out quarterly, take at least a year to go from
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submission to print, and are of reliably high quality. The Notices,
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which are put out by the various special interest groups, are
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unrefereed and pretty much print anything that shows up in the mail,
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within broad guidelines of relevance, legibility, and length. Notices
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are monthly for the most active groups down to quarterly or less. It
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typically takes two or three months for things to appear, with about
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half the delay being collecting the material and the other half being
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printing and mailing.
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What's the difference in quality? A lot. In the Notices, you're
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lucky if there's one article that's worth saving. We all read the
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Notices to find out what's going on (there are lots of conference
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announcements, calls for papers, and the like) but we're not under any
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illusion that there's any great wisdom to be found in the unrefereed
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journals. Everyone agrees that we need journals that publish faster
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than Transactions but are of higher quality than Notices, and to this
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end a new series of Letters is coming out this year. We'll have to
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see how useful they are.
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The issue of the economics of electronic publishing is extremely
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knotty. Publishers use the same PC word processors everyone else does.
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Of publishers I've dealt with recently, I've found that IDG uses Mac
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Word, Academic Press uses TeX, Windcrest uses XYWrite, and O'Reilly
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uses troff and FrameMaker. Publishers are not stupid. Like everyone
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else they saw that the maintenance costs on the minis would buy a new
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PC every month, so they went to PCs and workstations to do composition
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and typesetting. [line 471]
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Some publishers do paste-up on computers, some with razors and glue;
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the advantages there are much less compelling than with typesetting
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unless you plan frequent revisions, a separate issue. You'll still
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find mini- based Atex systems in newspapers, but their tight
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deadlines, multiple writers and editors, and other special
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requirements such as handling vast amounts of wire service data, make
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it unlikely that conventional PC-based systems could do the job. But
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there isn't a whole lot of cost savings left to be gotten from
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computerization.
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Printing and mailing just aren't that big a deal. I doubt if a
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magazine like Time pays more than 50 cents a copy for printing and
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distribution. For books, the numbers are somewhat different --
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printing a book costs a few dollars, and the largest chunk of the cost
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is distribution, accounting for about half of the final price. This
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suggests that electronic distribution might cut the cost of books in
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half, assuming that the cost of networks, workstations, etc., are no
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greater than the cost of printing. Is a factor of two enough to make
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a radical change in people's purchasing habits? I find that hard to
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believe.
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There's also the issue of copying. One of the most attractive aspects
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of computer media from the user's point of view and the worst from a
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publisher's point of view is the ease with which electronic
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information can be copied and distributed. From the publisher's point
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of view, it makes the traditional per-payment royalty very difficult
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to collect -- indeed it's hard to say exactly what copies require
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royalties. Various copy-protection schemes can enforce a pay-per-read
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policy, but this makes the information much less useful since the user
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would not in general be able to archive, excerpt, and otherwise copy
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it.
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manuscripts, or else one where all the people in the publishing
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process are compensated other than by per-copy royalties, there are
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still some big problems to solve before electronic publishing becomes
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practical.
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I agree with most of your new points. Yes, the ACM case is
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interesting, and refereeing does make a difference. The issue of the
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economics of electronic publishing is indeed "..extremely knotty."
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Some technically savvy publishers use PC's as you say, but there are
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still some very large general-purpose publishers who are only starting
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to use them, and who as a group (along with the newspaper publishers)
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make up most of the publishing world.
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Another factor in distribution which should be mentioned is CD-ROM
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disks, which enable large amounts of material to be distributed very
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cheaply. Some of the material can be locked, and available only on
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payment of an additional fee. I expect that the great convenience of
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this medium, and factors such as the temptation to unlock what is
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already sitting on a shiny disk one owns, will lead to more sales at a
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lower cost per item.
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Perhaps we could agree that some of the problematic 'knots' will be
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untied, others won't, but that fairly soon there will be some
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significant role for electronic publishing, with some characteristic
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differences in cost structure from traditional media.
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John B. Dilworth
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Dept. of Philosophy, Western Michigan Univ., MI 49008
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From: John Levine [line 543]
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It looks like the main place that we disagree is that I more strongly
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feel that the human activities involved in publishing are so much of the
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cost of producing a book or magazine that the lower cost of electronic
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distribution won't make publishing much cheaper.
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Lenoble Request - [line 560]
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Michel Lenoble, Universite de Montreal
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I am gathering information concerning CGL on this side of the Atlantic.
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Facts and information about CGL are pretty hard to find since this type
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of literature is rather off the mainstream literary schools.
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Bibliographical references as well as e-adresses of persons or groups
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involved in CGL are welcomed. I wish I could get information more
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specifically on the following items:
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- Are there active groups or individuals (programmers /
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writers)? Names of former active searchers in the field?
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- Are there different CGL schools, literary movements,
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associations of writers?
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- Are there published or distributed CGL texts, journals or
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anthologies?
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- Are there short stories, novels, poems or senarios produced?
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- Is there any literature on the subject (monographies, journal
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articles, research papers) devoted to it?
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- Are you aware of bibliographical databanks or compilations
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about it?
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- References made to CGL in "normally" written literary texts?
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- Names of people doing research on this very subject?
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The concept of Computer generated literature (CGL) does not, in my mind,
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include literary texts written by human authors directly on computers.
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One might debate whether Interactive Fiction (IF) and multi-authored
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literary texts (MALT) belong to the realm of CGL or not. CGL, in fact,
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refers to fully automated literary text generation or in other words,
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literary texts produced by computer programs. [line 591]
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One could easily come up with a typology of Computer generated literary
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texts organized according to several different criteria such as:
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- the starting data: vocabulary databases, knowledge bases,
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redaction rules, textual corpora, etc.
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- the generation programs: substitutional, aleatory,
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autonomous, interactive, typographical animation, modulatory
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programs with integrated auto-corrective functions, etc.
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- the various "types" of generated texts: full texts versus
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frames or scenarios, short stories, poems, unique finite texts
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versus infinite texts, interactive fiction, multi-authored texts,
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etc.
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- the transmission / inscription media: printed texts, floppy
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texts, potential texts (literature to be generated when the user
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/ reader starts the CGL program), etc.
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CGL appears to be more common in Europe and particularly in France,
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where it is part of a literary tendancy to explore the limits of
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literary writing, literary texts and literariness. At its origin, we
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could mention combinatory literature, OULIPO endeavours, the
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automatists, etc. Nowadays, at least two or three Computer Generated
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Poetry reviews are regularly issued by active writer / programmer groups
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on floppy disks. Even one conference has been organized on that very
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topic at Cerisy-la-Salle.
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Please send information directly to me. Thanks.
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Snippets from Inter\face 3 - [line 630]
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*Inter\face 3 is a publication of poetry, what we take that to be in
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relationship to our investment in the fact that the word is not so
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much written down now as it is down loaded or it exists momentarily
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between cursors late in the night's impermanent cybermind.(ky)
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*Cyberspace has been termed a new
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"frontier" by many, a new space that
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needs to be explored and mapped. We
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offer a collection of perspectives
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on this viewpoint, a way to look at
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the net, at life, incorporating
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technology and humanity.
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(bh)
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*i am in my new sweater. i am at a keyboard. sometimes
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this small corpus imprisons sometimes offers new
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rooms. the screen to me is a room. a series of quiet
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conversations late at nite or early a.m. sometimes it
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becomes easier to read screen words than book words. to
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watch them float toward you from ephemeral
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agitation.(nd)
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*We're not anti-intellectual.
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*We do promote: the letter press, the etching,
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the lithograph (old) & laborious (body) printing
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processes.
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*We have to acknowledge the limitations of thoughts so
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finely stored in their (material) casings that they don't
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make it out into the late twentieth century.
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*I want to to talk ie. there is a place to talk -
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seemingly on a crest of "spontaneous prosody" that is
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much in the keeping with a tradition of lyrical poetry
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which seeks to define, to glorify, to tell, to
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heighten, to worship, to soothe, to pray, to gather the
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strength we have left to care - gather in the words ---
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*Words, language, data stream: we encounter these
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things daily, accept them or reject them. This is
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an offering, a contribution, a step toward our
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ever-changing, temporary definition. We encompass
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and gather and collect to present. (bh)
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*we are seeing new meanings course
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from curser light. we are learning
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each day to speak in this new
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vision-voice. (nd)
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(^2^) Boswell, "Life of Johnson," entry of April 5, 1776, quoted in
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"Bartlett's Familiar Quotations," Fourteenth Edition, page 432.
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[Boswell recorded the comment; Johnson said it - ed.] ^
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(^3^) Ted Nelson, "Literary Machines," XOC, Inc., Palo Alto CA, 1981.^
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(^4^) Ted Nelson, "Computer Lib/Dream Machines," Revised Edition,
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