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Welcome to the Rolling Stones' Mailing list FAQ list
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COPYRIGHT 1994 (c) Anthony J. Rzepela (the "compiler")
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This collection of four works is under the copyright of the compiler,
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who may, at his discretion, relinquish said copyright to the authors
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named herein.
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This collection may not be broken up, or be made available
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by any publisher. It may not be redistributed in any form
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if any changes are made to it except by the holder of the
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copyright.
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The compiler of this FAQ retains all rights for use of it.
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No author or proofreader or assistant credited herein grants
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the use of his or her name to any publisher. Be warned that
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attempts to publish this shared work-in-progress may interfere
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with legal commitments individual authors may privately hold
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with publishers.
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This FAQ list is intended for new subscribers to the Rolling Stones'
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Internet mailing list and digest, known as 'Undercover', and users of
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alt.rock-n-roll.stones, where it is a monthly posting.
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It is a four-part FAQ list, with the following sections:
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Part 1: basic question list. You are reading it now.
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Part 2: basic recording history
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Part 3: a bibliography of Rolling Stones-related material
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Part 4: The "Lazy Man's Discography"
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Revisions, as they are made, will be available at the FTP site at
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ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory
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pub/music/faqs
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and, pending approval, archived at rtfm.mit.edu in
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pub/usenet/news.answers/music/rollingstones-faq/part<x>
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(where x is in [1..4])
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where it is accessible by an automated email server. Simply
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send an email message with the line:
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send usenet/news.answers/music/rollingstones-faq/part1
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(or, part2, part3, part4, whichever is appropriate)
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to the address mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu;
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To get on Undercover, the Rolling Stones mailing list, send a
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human-readable request to:
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undercover-request@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca
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List owner Steve Portigal (stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca) can be contacted
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personally if there is a problem.
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Last revised - July, 1994
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How to use: In the body of the document, you can just skip to the next
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----------- question by having your software SEARCH for the next
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occurrence of "@Q"
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Disclaimers: The authors of information on hard-to-find items are unable
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------------ to provide you with any more information than is provided
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here on locating those items. Particularly where unauthorized
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recordings are concerned, do not write anyone whose name is
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listed here as an author and ask if they can help you get
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your hands on such-and-such a recording.
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Please realize that when you do so, you are asking a perfect
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stranger to give you advice, in writing, on how to carry out
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an illegal act.
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The authors of this document make no guarantees about the
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quality of workmanship or service you will get from
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patronizing a publisher, CD house, or magazine listed here.
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The information is provided to guide you, not make
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recommendations on which vendor to spend your money with.
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Authors:
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For part II of this document (recordings history), we thank D.H. ("Mr. X.")
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For part III (the bibliography), we thank Stephen Carter (e-address below).
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For part IV (EPs and albums), we thank Anthony Rzepela (e-address below).
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Contributors to Part I of the Rolling Stones FAQ list are:
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Jens Backlund (jbacklund@finabo.abo.fi)
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Frank Blau
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Jon Brode
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Stephen D. Carter (stevedc@central.sussex.ac.uk)
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D.H.
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Charles Papworth
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Ken Pennington (hfin011@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu)
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Steve Portigal (stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca)
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Anthony J. Rzepela (rzepela@cvi.hahnemann.edu)
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We'd also like to thank the fine-tooth brigade: our FAQ helpers/
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proofreaders/fact-checkers:
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Todd Furesz (furesz@kids.wustl.edu)
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Jim Henning (ujhennin@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu)
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Michael Honig (honey@mwald5.chemie.uni-mainz.de)
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Mark C. Walters (mark@pluto.logica.co.uk)
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Finally, we would like to thank the Rolling Stones, for....whatever.
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Maintenance: Maintenance on parts one, two, and four are carried out by
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------------ Anthony Rzepela. Part three, the bibliography, is maintained
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by Stephen D. Carter, who should be emailed directly with
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updates, corrections, arguments, etc.
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Summary of questions:
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1. Who ARE the Stones - what is the band lineup/history?
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2. Hey! Do you think they read email???
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3. Not even Bill?
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4. Where can I get an online discography?
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5. Hey! Why isn't this discography complete?
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6. Well, where *can* I get a complete one?
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7. What about CDs? What do I need for a complete
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set? How do they sound???
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8. Can you at *least* tell me about the solo records????
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9. Where can I get bootlegs?
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10. Which bootlegs are best? Which will have my favorite song?
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11. Where can I get online lyrics/chords/tabulature?
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12. How can I get that Keith sound in the comfort of my own home?
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13. Wouldn't it be neat if there were a Stones "museum"?
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14. I'm a novice. Can you recommend the best...
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a. albums
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b. movies
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c. books
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d. home videos
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e. fanzines
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15. What is/who are
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a. "Nanker Phelge"
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b. "The Glimmer Twins"
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c. "Rock and Roll Circus"
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d. "Altamont"
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e. "Cocksucker Blues"
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16. Gossip
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a. How many times have they been arrested?
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b. How many times have they been married?
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c. Will the band break up?
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d. Are they going to tour?
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e. Do you think this is the last time, really?
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f. How old ARE they?
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17. Myths & legends:
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a. Did Keith really get his blood changed?
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b. Do they worship satan?
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c. Is Paul dead?
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Sources used in this FAQ list:
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(full publication information on these books can be found in part three of
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the FAQ list, The Bibliography From Hell)
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The primary resources for fact-checking in this document are:
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Dalton, David - "The Rolling Stones - The First Twenty Years"
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Giuliano, Geoffrey - "The Rolling Stones Album"
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Wyman, Bill - "Stone Alone"
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Weiner, Sue & Lisa Howard - "The Rolling Stones A to Z"
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Answers:
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@Q1. Who ARE the Stones - what is the band lineup/history?
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The first Rolling Stones long-playing album was released in 1964, to
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enough advance excitement to encourage the band's management to
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release it with only a portrait of the band on the front. Once you
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understand that, all the rest really just falls into place.
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Originally comprised of Mick Jagger (vocals), Brian Jones (gtr),
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Keith Richards (gtr), Ian Stewart (piano), Charlie Watts (drums), and
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Bill Wyman (bass), Ian Stewart was 'demoted' by de facto manager
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Andrew Loog Oldham by the time of their first album, because he did
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not look the part of a Rolling Stone. Although Ian did not appear in
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photographs or get listed in band personnel information, he played,
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credited, on records and in concert with the Stones up until his death
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in 1985.
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The first 'real' personnel change took place with the dismissal of
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Brian Jones in 1969, who died several weeks later. Before his
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death, his slot was filled by a young guitarist named Mick Taylor,
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who had been in John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, and who stayed with the
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Stones until December 1974.
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Ron Wood, already a star from his work with Rod Stewart and the Faces,
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joined as a 'special guest' in 1975, and became a full member by the
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end of the year. In 1993, bassist Bill Wyman, then 56, officially
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quit after years of rumours and speculation. As of this writing, no
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permanent replacement has been announced for Mr. Wyman.
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@Q2. Hey! Do you think they read email???
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There is no evidence that any popular musician is hooked into the
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Internet, and the world of electronic communication, unless you count
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Billy Idol. And maybe the Edge.
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@Q3. Not even Bill?
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No!
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@Q4. Where can I get an online discography?
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Part IV of this document has a minimal listing which includes all
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Rolling Stones EPs and albums released in the US and UK, excluding
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out-of-print compilations. Original release dates, producer, song
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lists, and maybe a biased comment or two, are added.
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A section of it lists tracks which cannot be found on albums as
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of the time of this writing.
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@Q5. Hey! Why isn't this discography complete?
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To assemble a complete discography of the Rolling Stones is indeed a
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daunting task. The band has, in its' long recorded history, multiple
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versions of the same songs, multiple versions of an album depending on
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country of origin, multiple record labels releasing their post-1970
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recordings, mono and stereo versions of pre-1970 albums, mono and
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stereo and "electronically processed" stereo versions of individual
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songs, dozens and dozens of singles, dozens of European compilation
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packages, and then, in the eighties, the re-release of three-quarters
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of it all on compact disc. (!)
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To give you an idea of the volume, take the experience of German Stones'
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authority Dieter Hoffman, who has a book out on the topic called the
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'White Book'. The work covers all these issues in excruciating detail,
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and requires more than 560 pages to do so.
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So, in a nutshell - *you* want a complete online discography? Be our
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guest, and feel free to type one up.
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@Q6. Well, where *can* I get a complete one?
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Although it has a mistake or two (out of THOUSANDS of opportunities),
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Dieter Hoffman's 'Das Weissbuch' (German for the 'The White Book',
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ISBN: 3980248940) lists all official releases, vinyl and CD, single and
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LP, promos and dance remixes, by the Stones in Germany, Japan, the UK
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and the United States. It is more than 560 pages long and includes
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photographs of covers and labels, and a detailed index of all known
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recorded selections by the Stones, even those appearing on 'official
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unauthorized' recordings (see question 8). It is available as an
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import, and will set you back about $US 90.00. As of this writing, it
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is available from the Connecticut mail-order firm "The Disc Junkie".
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Their phone number is 1-(203)-483-8317.
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A more reasonably priced ($US 16), if less thorough and accurate book,
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is available by Martin Elliott:
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'The Rolling Stones: Complete Recording Sessions'
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ISBN: 0-7137-2118-9
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Great for a beginner, this book answers many basic questions. It is
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current up to October 1989.
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Stones "fanzines" can also be a good ongoing source of information for
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collectors and interested parties. Please see the "fanzine" section
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under question #14.
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@Q7. What about CDs? What do I need for a complete set? How do they sound???
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Part IV of this document also includes a brief summary on the
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state of the Stones in the format of the eighties and nineties.
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It briefly overviews who issues Stones CDs, what you need for
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a complete set of Stones music on CD (answer: you can't do it
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on Compact Disc just yet), and what kind of sound you can expect
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for your purchase.
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@Q8. Can you at *least* tell me about the solo records????
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Fair enough. For our purposes we are not, at this time, including any
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appearances by band members on others' recordings, or band members'
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efforts at producing or presenting other artists, but restricting
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ourselves, in the interest of brevity, to recording projects prominently
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featuring the member, his name, or some variation thereof (e.g., the Charlie
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Watts Orchestra), and excluding singles and configurations that do not
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present previously unavailable material.
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Although considered the first 'solo' effort by a group member, 'Memo From
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Turner', sung by Mick Jagger in the movie 'Performance', released in
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1970, is credited to the 'Rolling Stones' on compilations, although the
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soundtrack, which is still in print, says 'Sung by Mick Jagger'. No one,
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apparently, was all fired up to collect similar credit for Mick's song in
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the movie "Ned Kelly": "The Wild-eyed Colonial Boy". A traditional song
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sung by Mick's character, the movie came out on videocassette in 1993,
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if you want to rent it.
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Next up, in 1972, was a collection of lukewarm 'jams' which took place
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several years earlier in the studio while the Stones were 'waiting for
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our guitar player to show up'. The effort was called "Jamming With
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Edward", and it features the talents of Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, Mick
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Jagger, and non-Stones Nicky Hopkins and Ry Cooder. It was released on
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the Stones' own label.
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The rest of the recordings should be fairly straightforward.
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Promo-only versions have an asterisk.
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Jagger, Mick "Don't Look Back" sgl (1978)
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(billed as a co-lead vocal w/Tosh in some countries)
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"State of Shock" sgl (1984)
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(billed as a co-lead vocal w/Michael Jackson)
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She's the Boss LP (1985)
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"Hard Woman" sgl (1985)
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(German 7", re-recorded version of the LP track)
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"Lucky In Love" (4:51*, 4:45, and 3:57* versions)
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"Lucky In Love" (extended, and a 6 min. + dub version)
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"Dancing in the Street" (duet w/ David Bowie)
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sgl (1985)
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"Ruthless People"/"I'm Ringin'" sgl (1987)
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Primitive Cool LP (1987)
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"Catch as Catch Can"
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(flipside to "Let's Work") sgl (1987)
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"Memory Motel"
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(re-recorded for a BBC TV show) song (1990)
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Wandering Spirit LP (1993)
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"Sweet Thing" 12" single
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("Mick's Extended Version", "Mick's Dub",
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"Instrumental of Extended Mix", "Extended Remix",
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"Stripped Down Version", "Instrumental of
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Stripped Down Version") 12" (1993)
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"Sweet Thing" CD5
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("Mick's Extended Version", "Mick's Dub",
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"Extended Remix", "Stripped Down Version",
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"Instrumental of Stripped Down Version", "LP Mix")
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CD5 (1993)
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"Everybody knows About My Good Thing"/"Sweet Thing
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(Funky Guitar Edit)"
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(flip selections on "Don't Tear Me Up" Euro-CD5)
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CD5 (1993)
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Richards, Keith "Run Rudolph Run"/"The Harder They Come"
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sgl (1978)
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Talk is Cheap LP (1988)
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"Make No Mistake" (single edit) sgl (1988)
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"Make No Mistake" (extended edit) 12" (1988)
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Live at the Hollywood Palladium LP (1991)
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Main Offender LP (1992)
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"Eileen" US CD5 has 4 extra non-LP tracks
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("Gimme Shelter", "Wicked As it Seems", and
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"How I Wish" live, plus "Key to the Highway"
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with Johnnie Johnson)
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CD5 (1993)
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Taylor, Mick Mick Taylor LP (1979)
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Stranger in This Town (live) LP (1990)
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Too Hot for Snakes LP (1991)
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(Mick Taylor & Carla Olsen)
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Once in a Blue Moon LP
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(Gerry Groom, Mick Taylor & Friends)
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Watts, Charlie Live at the Fullham Town Hall LP (1986)
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(Charlie Watts Orchestra)
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From One Charlie to Another
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(CD plus book "Ode to a high-flying bird")
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BOX (1991)
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A Tribute to Charlie Parker
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(Charlie Watts quintet) LP (1992)
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Warm and Tender LP (1993)
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Wood, Ron I've Got My Own Album to Do LP (1974)
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(aka "Cancel Everything", on CD)
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Now Look LP (1975)
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"Sweet Sunshine" (flipside to 'Big Bayou')
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sgl (1976)
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Mahoney's Last Stand (w/Ronnie Lane) LP (1976)
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Gimme Some Neck LP (1979)
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1234 LP (1981)
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"It's Not Easy" (soundtrack to "Wild Life")
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song (1984)
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Live At the Ritz (w/ Bo Diddley) LP (1989)
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Slide On This LP (1992)
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"Seven Days" (appearance on Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary CD
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CBS C2K 53230) song (1993)
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"Somebody Else Might" (3:48 remix)/
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"Ain't Rock & Roll" (3:46 remix) CD5 (1993)
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Slide On Live (Plugged in and Standin') LP (1993)
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"Stay With Me" (edit from live LP*) CD5 (1993)
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"Somebody Else Might" (5:59 remix)/"Josephine" (remix)
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(tracks are on US "Stay With Me" CD5) CD5 (1993)
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Wyman, Bill Monkey Grip LP (1974)
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Stone Alone LP (1975)
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Bill Wyman LP (1981)
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Green Ice (film soundtrack) LP (1981)
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Digital Dreams (video soundtrack) LP (1983)
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Willie and the Poor Boys LP (1985)
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("superstar" group w/ Charlie Watts, others)
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Stuff (Japan only) LP (1992)
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@Q9. Where can I get bootlegs?
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Stones fans are pretty lucky when it comes to bootlegs. There are
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hundreds of bootlegs available, many of them are even high quality
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recordings. You can find all sorts of things on bootleg: demos,
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rehearsals, outtakes, concerts and interviews. Unfortunately,
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bootlegs are sort of illegal.
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A legal loophole discovered by 'Swingin' Pig' records in 1986 created
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an explosion in the "unauthorized recording" market, although it still
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finds challenges in court by the likes of U2. Many, but not all,
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"unauthorized recordings" are not "bootlegs" but legitimate releases
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throughout much of Europe. (You may find "unauthorized recordings" at
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your own local store clearly marked *IMPORT*.)
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Here are the 4 main ways to acquire bootlegs:
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First, know your local record stores. Avoid the large chains - they
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generally only carry legitimate items. The small, independently run
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stores are good places to look, but used record stores are your best
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bet. Get a phone book and visit all the stores listed. Bigger
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cities usually have better stores. College towns are excellent, too.
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Go to your nearest metropolis or campus and comb the stores.
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Second, go to record shows and conventions. Even the ones that have
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a "no bootleg" policy can be rewarding, as they often don't enforce
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the rule very well. Check in area newspapers and with local record
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stores for dates and locations. Goldmine magazine prints record
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show listings, but it may not list all of the shows in your area.
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Third, use mail order places. Record magazines, such as Discoveries,
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(or "Record Collector", in the UK) abound with ads offering Stones
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merchandise. Of course, there's always an extra risk involved when
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dealing with mail-order places, but most that advertise in major
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magazines are reputable. If you're unsure, start small and work up
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to larger purchases. Start with buying one item from a vendor. If
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they are prompt with that order, then send a larger one. You can
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usually find a copy of Discoveries or Record Collector in record or
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book stores, or get in contact with them directly.
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Fourth, trade with friends. This is the cheapest way to build a
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collection of bootlegs. Buy a few and trade tapes to get other
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things.
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Caveat emptor. Bootlegs are often over-priced and low quality. Most
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places don't have a friendly return policy on bootlegs either.
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@Q10: Which Stones bootlegs are best? Which will have my favorite song?
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Part two of this document is occupied with nothing but answering
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this question. It is a concise history of the band's performing
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career, and it includes remarks on availability of outtakes,
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unreleased studio recordings, and live performances.
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@Q11: Where can I get online lyrics/chords/tabulature/GIFs?
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If you have access to USENET news, look at the groups
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rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature and the less official
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alt.guitar.tab. People will often post chords or tablature to Stones
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songs on those groups. If you have chords and/or tab for a song, feel
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free to post it to those groups. Tab is probably not appropriate for
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posting to undercover (although it's been done before). If you are
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posting tablature, perhaps the best solution is to post it to the
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newsgroups and just indicate on undercover that you have done so.
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Offer to mail it to anyone who doesn't have news access.
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The Rolling Stones are just one act with goodies archived at
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the FTP site ftp.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4). In the
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pub/music/artists/r/rolling.stones directory JPEGs, lyrics and
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so on can be found. In pub/music/guitar/r/rolling.stones AND
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pub/music/ guitar/r/Rolling.Stones (don't ask) you can find a
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selection of archived chords and tablature.
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@Q12. How can I get that Keith sound in the comfort of my own home?
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Two approaches, here:
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If you want to play like Keith, well you *really* need a Fender
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Telecaster ;-). As well, Keith plays in open G tuning, his own 5
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string version. Take your low E string OFF the guitar and tune it:
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(low to high) GDGBD. You can always tune the low E string to D as well
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if you don't want to remove strings. Keith sums up his guitar playing
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thusly: "5 strings, 3 fingers, and one asshole."
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or:
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barre at the 5th fret (that's a C in open G tuning) and slam a few
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chords... hammer on an Am7 form in fron of the bar.. that's an F... slam
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a few more... repeat progression at the 2nd fret... noodle around on the
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open G.... that'll get you through about 70% of all the solo albums and a
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great deal of Stones stuff as well. A few tidbits... Keith uses talcum
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powder on the neck before he plays...it speeds things up a lot, but if
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you are really picky about strings, you will have to be religous about
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wiping them when you are finished. And of course, never be so dull as to
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actually play chords ON the downbeat... wait about 20 nanoseconds from
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all major timing cues...get that one string about 2 clicks out of tune...
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it's all in the tension, you know. And remember, no effects boxes and
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keep in mind that "it only tightens up"...
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@Q13. Wouldn't it be neat if there were a Stones "museum"?
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Bill Wyman operates a restaurant called "Sticky Fingers" in the
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well-heeled Kensington section of London. The food is much the
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same general type of menu as you might find at Hard Rock. Cost
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seems OK. The whole place is of course a shrine to a certain
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well known band! Bill has decorated it with framed (etc)
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posters, magazine covers, guitars, gold discs, etc etc. - even
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an especially good blown up cutting on the right of the door
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as you go out, headed 'Korner Cancels', referring to the
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first real Stones Gig, on 12th July 1962. No trouble finding
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things to read and gaze at while you await your meal. Most of the
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time Stones music plays. Location: 1 Phillmore Gardens, London.
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@Q14. I'm a novice. Can you recommend the best...
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First.... a note on the worth of opinions. They are, as the saying
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goes, like anal cavities. Everyone has one and they all stink. They
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are also free, so remember that you get what you pay for.
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Detached, objective judgment of the worth of a particular period of
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the Rolling Stones' career is a problem all its own. As Keith
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Richards has said, people tend to be fond of what they were hearing
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the first time they got laid.
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a. albums
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If you are thinking of starting out with live albums or greatest-hits
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compilations for an exposure to the Rolling Stones, (or for someone
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else's benefit!), consider:
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Their early work (the first eight years), originally on DECCA records
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(London Records in the USA), is covered by any of the greatest-hits
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compilations that are now being released on CD by ABKCO.
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"Hot Rocks 1964-1971", the double-CD set, is a near-definitive collection
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of hit singles. Alternatively, you could pair up the single CDs "High
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Tide and Green Grass (Big Hits)" and "Through the Past Darkly (Big
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Hits Part 2)" for a collection of equal length with a slightly
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different impact. Or, get the 1989 ABKCO 3-CD set called "The London
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Years", which is full to the rim with just about anything the band put
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out as a single in these years. It includes everything found
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on the American versions of the two "Big Hits" compilations, everything
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on "Hot Rocks" with the exception of three songs, and it has several
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somewhat rare selections otherwise unavailable reasonably to CD
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consumers.
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(As of this writing (June 1994), the three compilations mentioned
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below seem to be off the shelves indefinitely and _superseded_ by the
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1993 European compilation "Jump Back". If you can find any of these
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three compilations on your store shelves, you may consider that they may
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|
be gone forever soon. No big deal, really, except that "Sucking in the
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Seventies" has a couple tracks on it unavailable elsewhere on CD.)
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Several compilations cover their post-ABKCO work. "Made in the Shade"
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was originally released in 1975, and "Rewind (1971-1984)" in 1984.
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Unfortunately, the CD releases of these two albums have an overlap of
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four songs. "Rewind" is the better value for your CD money. "Sucking
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|
in the Seventies", from 1981, is of interest largely to collectors.
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It has three tracks otherwise unavailable on CD, and single/promo
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|
edits of 6 Stones numbers released after 1975. A 1993 compilation,
|
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entitled "Jump Back", was not released in the States, but has, on a
|
|
single CD, everything from the "Rewind" CD except for "Hang Fire" and
|
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"Heartbreaker", plus "Bitch", "Wild Horses", "Respectable", "Mixed
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Emotions", and "Rock and a Hard Place"
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The Rolling Stones have released five "live albums", and except for
|
|
'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!', (1970), everyone seems to hate something
|
|
about all of them.
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|
Moving on to "regular" releases, many people are strongly persuaded that
|
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the Rolling Stones' years with Mick Taylor, and just before, are an
|
|
artistic peak that no one before or since has been able to touch. To
|
|
acquire that era, you can obtain the albums released from 1968 to 1972.
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|
(In order of release: 'Beggar's Banquet', 'Let It Bleed', 'Get Yer
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Ya-Ya's Out' (live), 'Sticky Fingers', and 'Exile on Main Street').
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|
While an investment in the ABKCO compilations provides a fairly complete
|
|
overview of the best of the Rolling Stones' first eight years, the band's
|
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first three American releases ('Newest Hit Makers', '12 X 5', and 'Now!')
|
|
stand as a powerful documentary of what all the fuss was about.
|
|
'Aftermath' is also a favorite among many aficianados.
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What one critic has referred to as their 'silver age' occurred in the
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late 70's-early eighties, after many had given the boys up for dead. The
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|
albums "Some Girls", "Emotional Rescue", and "Tattoo You" (released from
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|
1978 to 1981) show a veteran outfit churning out top-notch material
|
|
which was a critical and commercial success. Common rock criticism to the
|
|
contrary, this rejuvenation was NOT just the result of the appearance of
|
|
punk rock and the Sex Pistols in the world. After all, the punk
|
|
phenomenon didn't seem to do much for Led Zeppelin or the Who.
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|
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b. movies
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|
The Rolling Stones are the focus of several films that have not made it
|
|
to the home video market.
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|
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|
Their film history is somewhat chaotic. Part of the reason you
|
|
can't see them all at your leisure may have as much to do
|
|
with technical feasibility as court injunctions.
|
|
|
|
Any movies that were subsequently released to the home video market are
|
|
listed under part d. of this question, "home videos"
|
|
|
|
'Cocksucker Blues' -
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|
A concert film cum tour documentary, widespread exhibition of
|
|
this film has been frustrated by much legal wrangling over the
|
|
years. See question #14.
|
|
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|
'Ladies & Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones' -
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|
A concert film by which all others surely must be judged. High
|
|
excitement prevails in this film of two concert performances from
|
|
their 1972 American tour.
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|
'The Rolling Stones At the MAX' -
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|
A concert film of the 1990 European tour (the 'Urban Jungle'
|
|
tour), this film was the first 'entertainment' film (i.e., no
|
|
penguins, no beavers) to be filmed with the IMAX process.
|
|
Exhibition of an IMAX film overwhelms your peripheral vision, and
|
|
displays several stories high, resulting in a realism and
|
|
immediacy unavailable with conventional filming techniques.
|
|
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|
This requires specially-equipped exhibition theatres, the kind
|
|
usually found only in planetariums or learning institutions.
|
|
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An excellent, highly realistic technology capturing a compelling and
|
|
exciting performance. Highly recommended.
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|
c. books
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|
The number of published books about the Rolling Stones can (and does)
|
|
fill up a separate document all its own: Part three of this FAQ list.
|
|
Still, it is probably of some use to have a 'shortlist', some starting
|
|
point, so here are the titles of five current books we recommend for
|
|
giving you a good start in learning about the history, influence, and
|
|
greatness of the Rolling Stones.
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|
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|
Please note that these five are not necessarily the best
|
|
books about the Stones, but they ARE the best of what's currently
|
|
available.
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|
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|
'Dance With the Devil'
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|
Stanley Booth
|
|
- Delayed for years due to litigation, this book combines
|
|
equal parts tedious personal confession and juicy Stones-tour
|
|
gossip. Particularly compelling is the detailed description of
|
|
a group rehearsal. An insider's account of the Stones' entree into
|
|
the big time.
|
|
|
|
'Symphony For the Devil'
|
|
Philip Norman
|
|
- Stops in 1983, but the author delivers a respectful and
|
|
competent biography. Bookended by anecdotes about their
|
|
1981 tour, Norman's analysis of characters in the play
|
|
known as the Rolling Stones is deep and thoughtful. Revised
|
|
and reissued in 1992.
|
|
|
|
'Keith Richards - the Biography'
|
|
Victor Bockris
|
|
- Little more than a cut-and-paste job of other,
|
|
indiscriminately chosen biographies, this book still has the
|
|
advantage of recent vintage, and the fact that the author
|
|
can turn out seductive and flowing prose. Never a dull moment,
|
|
which is actually difficult to say about lesser Stones'-related
|
|
works.
|
|
|
|
'The Rolling Stones Album'
|
|
Geoffrey Giuliano
|
|
- Biographically, nothing is very deep - only a thumbnail
|
|
sketch of the band's history is attempted. Sometimes, though,
|
|
this is more refreshing than failed attempts at deep analysis.
|
|
Intended as pornography for the Stones-memorabilia fetishist,
|
|
this book has great color photographs of records, books,
|
|
promotional items, and posters. If a picture paints a thousand
|
|
words, this is a million-word chronicle.
|
|
|
|
'Stone Alone'
|
|
Bill Wyman (with Ray Coleman)
|
|
- The only book by any band member that was there in the early
|
|
years, and at the height of the madness, this can (surprisingly)
|
|
get awfully boring. If, as is said, the devil is in the details,
|
|
then opportunities abound here, as one of Wyman's techniques is to
|
|
provide the full text of letters for rather unseemly work-a-day
|
|
tasks. Yet, there is no discussion of the band's working
|
|
techniques, except as they pertain to, for example, how long they
|
|
would spend working on a new song of Wyman's versus one penned by
|
|
Jagger and Richards. Great opportunities missed, but others taken,
|
|
if you have the interest and patience. NB: only covers up to
|
|
July, 1969.
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|
Now these five *are* the best: good luck finding them all!
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'Stone Alone' - Wyman/Coleman
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|
'Symphony for the Devil' - Phillip Norman
|
|
|
|
'An Illustrated Record'
|
|
Roy Carr
|
|
- A beautiful, thoroughly researched, large-format book which
|
|
presents the Rolling Stones' discography up to 1976. It includes
|
|
tour history, side-project information, interviews, unreleased
|
|
album covers, and beautiful reproductions of the original DECCA
|
|
LP covers. Essential.
|
|
|
|
'The Rolling Stones - The First Twenty Years'
|
|
David Dalton
|
|
- Dalton has edited several books on the topic, any and all of
|
|
them worthwhile. Another large format book, this collection of
|
|
essays, reviews, band history, interviews, photographs, and a
|
|
sessionography, remains overwhelming years after you acquire it.
|
|
Out of print, and highly recommended.
|
|
|
|
'S.T.P.'
|
|
Robert Greenfield
|
|
The abbreviation of "Stones Touring Party", and the name of a
|
|
drug, this out-of-print classic is about life on the road
|
|
with the World's you-know-what on their most infamous excursion
|
|
to the United States, in 1972.
|
|
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|
d. home videos
|
|
|
|
The Stones have several releases on home video.
|
|
|
|
Note: ("import") means this is a title that is not generally available
|
|
in the States except in 'specialty' stores. Since the rest of the world
|
|
has a different video standard from the US, these tapes are often made
|
|
through a format-conversion process, and so may suffer in son et lumiere.
|
|
|
|
'The Rolling Stones: Unauthorised Biography'
|
|
|
|
This program consists mostly of *still* *photographs* in a small
|
|
portion of the screen with a black background. There is occasional
|
|
motion picture footage (a couple uninteresting complete shots of
|
|
some airport arrival or departure which would be shown for only
|
|
two seconds in a judiciously edited documentary.), and the *only* music
|
|
one hears is about 30 seconds of "Around and Around" in front of that
|
|
froofy curtain (is this PD stuff YET?). There are a couple TV news
|
|
stories (Mick's 1967 bust and the 1976 UK tour), about one minute
|
|
of a Wyman interview, and two minutes of of an interview with Mick
|
|
done after his solo appearance on Saturday Night Live. (He wouldn't
|
|
do his Keith imitation without the props.)
|
|
|
|
'25 X 5 (The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones)' -
|
|
|
|
This two-hour retrospective of the band's entire career, released in
|
|
1990, has some exclusive footage and performances from the band's own
|
|
collection. It's narrated by interviews with the band, so bring your
|
|
own grain of salt. Highly recommended.
|
|
|
|
'Mick Jagger & the Rolling Stones'
|
|
|
|
A 30-minute episode of something called 'Celebrity Showcase'. At
|
|
least the outside box is honest: it warns potential customers
|
|
that there is no Rolling Stones music on the entire program. Not
|
|
reviewed.
|
|
|
|
'Video Rewind' -
|
|
|
|
A one-hour feature, this early attempt at making a unique offering
|
|
in the then-infantile home music video market is occasionally
|
|
successful and funny. Includes rarely seen "official" videos of
|
|
records released from 1978 to 1983, two television performances
|
|
from the mid-70's, and a cut-and-paste version of "Brown Sugar",
|
|
using footage from several tours.
|
|
|
|
'Let's Spend the Night Together' -
|
|
|
|
The home video version of the film of their 1981 US tour, directed
|
|
by Hal Ashby. Opinion on this film is widely varying. Some longtime
|
|
Stones' enthusiasts are disappointed by the performance, while others
|
|
find it an exciting document of a great tour (current author loves
|
|
it, but he was 18 when the tour took place!). A video rental costs
|
|
you three bucks - we're not going to sweat making a bad recommendation.
|
|
|
|
'Rolling On' -
|
|
|
|
A 60-minute television documentary, assembled in 1982, but consisting
|
|
of an annoying 'rock' soundtrack (no Jagger-Richards tunes), and some
|
|
rarely seen footage from the 'Charlie is My Darling' era (1965). Little
|
|
to recommend it except when you mute the horrendous audio tracks, and
|
|
watch Jagger work a crowd in some rarely-seen early live footage.
|
|
|
|
'Gimme Shelter' -
|
|
|
|
This home video of the documentary of the 1969 tour and the disastrous
|
|
free concert that closed it ("Altamont") stands as a classic film
|
|
separate from any other rock film due to its' too-true human drama
|
|
and its portrait of the end of an era. Refurbished in 1992, the newer
|
|
editions of the VHS tape are in Hi-Fi.
|
|
|
|
'The Stones in the Park' ("import") -
|
|
|
|
A one-hour Granada TV documentary of the Stones' July 1969 free concert
|
|
in London's Hyde Park. The stage debut of new guitarist Mick Taylor, this
|
|
show has snippets of some classic performances.
|
|
|
|
'One plus one (Sympathy for the Devil)' -
|
|
|
|
A pretentious bore by Jean-Luc Goddard, this film has splices of the
|
|
Stones building and recording the classic track 'Sympathy For the Devil'
|
|
in the studio. Seeing the Stones 'behind-the-scenes' at work is so rare,
|
|
this is a valuable document. No. No. Yes. No. No. No.
|
|
|
|
'Charlie is My Darling' ("import")
|
|
|
|
A one-hour documentary of their 1965 tour of Ireland. Some stunningly
|
|
funny documentary footage of Keith and Mick, drunk, at a piano and
|
|
singing. Also, a nice portrait of the frenzy and excitement that
|
|
accompanied their early road work, including a truly frightening mob
|
|
scene at a show that got out of hand while the band was playing.
|
|
|
|
'That was Rock/The TAMI Show' -
|
|
|
|
The Stones perform five songs in twelve minutes on the "Teenage
|
|
Music International" show, filmed in Los Angeles in 1965. Other
|
|
guests on the show(s) were Chuck Berry, James Brown, Lesley Gore,
|
|
Marvin Gaye, the Supremes, and Ike and Tina Turner. Worth it to
|
|
see a young Mick and Diana Ross singing together at the finale.
|
|
|
|
e. fanzines
|
|
|
|
* Basement News
|
|
c/o Dieter Hoffman
|
|
Lausitzer Strasse 13
|
|
D-63110 Rodgau
|
|
|
|
(Germany)
|
|
|
|
$20/3 issues (air mail)
|
|
|
|
Published by Dieter Hoffman, the author of the Schwarzbuch (Black
|
|
Book) bootleg bible and Weissbuch (White Book) listing of legit
|
|
releases. Provides detailed information on current band activity,
|
|
bootleg reviews, and the scuttlebutt on new Stones or Stones related
|
|
record or CD releases.
|
|
|
|
* Beggars Banquet
|
|
P O Box 6152
|
|
New York, NY 10128
|
|
(USA)
|
|
|
|
Monthly - 20 US Dollars in the US, 25 US Dollars for overseas
|
|
|
|
Originally a 'pure' fanzine written by Bill German, this survived
|
|
being the semi-official Fan Club Magazine in the Mid-80's. Rather
|
|
tame and uncritical, and perhaps too much 'Bill German and the Stones
|
|
(usually Ronnie). Wouldn't be without it.
|
|
|
|
* Le Club Des Stones
|
|
BP535
|
|
75666 Paris Cedex 14
|
|
France
|
|
|
|
Actually the name of the French fan club for the Rolling
|
|
Stones, they'll issue four A4 magazines per year to you
|
|
(in French, natch) for 100F.
|
|
|
|
|
|
* Tumbling Dice
|
|
9 Collingwood Close
|
|
Westage-on-Sea
|
|
Kent CT8 8JD
|
|
(UK)
|
|
|
|
Quarterly
|
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|
|
9 UK Pounds in UK, 12 UK Pounds in Europe, 18 UK pounds in rest
|
|
|
|
Only been going since early 1991 and still finding its feet. Each
|
|
issue much improved on the previous, and distribution problems
|
|
slowly disappearing. No band access.
|
|
|
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|
|
@Q15. What is/who are
|
|
|
|
a. "Nanker Phelge"?
|
|
|
|
The author of several early compositions ("Stoned", "The Underassistant
|
|
West Coast Promotion Man"), "Nanker Phelge" is actually a pseudonym used
|
|
for group compositions. "Nanker" was the nick name for a rather unpleasant
|
|
facial expression band members used to make, and "Phelge" the surname of
|
|
an early roommate of Keith, Mick, and Brian's whose personal hygiene left
|
|
something to be desired.
|
|
|
|
b. "The Glimmer Twins"?
|
|
|
|
The production team known to the world as "The Glimmer Twins" consists
|
|
of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, so dubbed because of a chance encounter
|
|
with an elderly woman on vacation, who thought she recognized one of the
|
|
Stones, but only had a "glimmer" of the real identity of her find.
|
|
|
|
c. "Rock and Roll Circus"?
|
|
|
|
Mere days after the release of 'Beggar's Banquet' in 1968, the band
|
|
pulled together a 'circus': a show consisting of real circus performers, and
|
|
some progressive rock acts of the day. Jethro Tull, The Who and Eric
|
|
Clapton were in attendance, as were lions, trapeze artists, and Yoko Ono.
|
|
|
|
The idea was to produce a unique television show, but the footage was
|
|
eventually shelved, due to what the Stones felt was a sub-standard
|
|
performance. It has not been seen to this day, except for a brief
|
|
excerpt in the home video entitled '25 x 5', and the Who's performance
|
|
of 'A Quick One', seen in their own film/career documentary, 'The Kids
|
|
Are Alright'. It has been spotted on bootleg video, but only, as
|
|
the saying goes, in an 'umpteenth-generation' presentation. (For
|
|
five years and counting, the officially unofficial rumour on official
|
|
release of a long-form home video version has been "any day now".
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The rights are owned by Allen Klein. If this can produce money,
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rest assured you will see it at some point.) Several
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bootlegs of the audio portion exist. It was Brian's last performance
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with the band.
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The two main musical highlights were a 'supergroup' consisting of
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Eric Clapton, John Lennon, Keith Richards, and Mitch Mitchell (of the
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Jimi Hendrix Experience), and a performance of several songs
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by the Stones themselves, including 'Route 66', 'Confessin' the
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Blues', 'Parachute Woman', 'Jumpin' Jack Flash', 'Sympathy for the
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Devil', 'No Expectations', 'You Can't Always Get What You Want', and
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'Salt of the Earth'.
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d. "Altamont"?
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The band planned a large, free concert in San Francisco to cap off
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their highly successful 1969 tour of the United States, similar to a
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successful event they had done in London's Hyde Park several months
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earlier. Between permit denials, greed, and a last-minute change of
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venue, the event devolved from a potentially powerful West Coast
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Woodstock to a poorly-planned mess. A bad choice of security
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(American biker gang the "Hell's Angels") contributed to a day-long
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sideshow of violence and "bad vibes".
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By the time the Stones came on in the evening, tempers were short.
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The dramatic stabbing of a spectator by one of the Hell's Angels
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during the Stones' set was captured on film in the documentary
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"Gimme Shelter", available now on home video.
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e. "Cocksucker Blues"?
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It is the title of both a notorious slow blues song performed by
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Jagger which has been frequently bootlegged, and an unrelated film
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project by Robert Frank which was a documentary of the Stones' 1972
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American tour.
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The song tells the woeful tale of a "lonesome schoolboy" who has come
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to the big city (London) but does not know where to find all the
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amenities a young man needs. Presented as a single by Jagger to
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fulfill a contractual obligation to DECCA records, the label declined
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to release it. It did appear very briefly as an 'official' release
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as part of a German boxed set in 1984. The box was quickly pulled, and
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re-released without the offending tune.
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The film is rarely seen, as a unique legal settlement has required
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that its' director, Robert Frank, accompany each and every showing of
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the film. More bark than bite. Drug-fueled orgies and
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all kinds of human degradations were rumoured to be captured on film.
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This was more a reflection of what people thought went on on a Stones'
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tour than what actually happened. Rather tame, it has some tit, some
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drunken revelry, some drug use by band members, and some footage of
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the greatest rock and roll band in the world in action.
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@Q16. Gossip
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a. How many times have they been arrested?
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The band's longtime acquaintance with law enforcement started with an
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infamous 'pissing' incident in March of 1965 in which Bill Wyman, who
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needed to use the rest facilities at a car fuel stop, was not only
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refused admittance to the chamber, but told to promptly vacate the
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premises. Mick Jagger and Brian Jones joined Bill in pissing against
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a wall, and the Stones' image as 'bad boys' was firmly established. In
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a remarkable show of solidarity and opportunism, which was not to
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be repeated, all five band members showed up at court, several
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weeks later...
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Unfortunately, being pop-stars in the "swingin' sixties", they were
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easy targets for aggressive narcotics enforcement officers. Human
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nature and law enforcement being what they are, these officers
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descended on the weakest and most vulnerable of the lot, Brian Jones,
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with some regularity and viciousness, although by the end of the
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Seventies, Mick and Keith also found themselves "busted" several
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times, culminating in the most serious case, Keith's 1977 arrest for
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heroin possession in Canada, which threatened the continued existence
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of the band.
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The Eighties, the decade of the "War on Drugs", produced its own
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comical efforts at putting Stones Behind Bars, but these were so
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poorly executed, they failed almost upon impact. Ron Wood, several
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years younger than everyone else in the band, got his own taste in
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1980. Although charges were dropped, Mr. Wood was said to have problems
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with unspecified drugs in the early eighties, and also to have taken
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care of them with a "Betty Ford"-type cure while the Stones were
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languishing unused mid-decade.
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1965 - "Pissing" incident at a gas/petrol station. Five-pound fines
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for Mick, Brian, and Bill are appealed.
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1967 - The "Redlands" bust - allegations of carpeted girls and Mars bars.
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Keith's conviction on "allowing his premises" overturned on
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appeal; Mick's pep-pill possession successfully appealed - Court
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found that he had been more severely sentenced than an "anonymous
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young man".
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1967 - Brian busted same day as the "Redlands" case court appearance.
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1968 - Brian busted for cannabis. Found guilty and fined.
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1969 - Hashish possession: Mick and Marianne Faithfull; Marianne
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acquitted, Mick is fined.
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1972 - Jagger and Richards held on assault of a photographer; delay means
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the evening's show in Boston starts after midnight.
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1972 - Keith's French pied-a-terre is raided; Coke, Hashish, heroin found.
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1973 - Keith present when his British residence is raided. Drugs and guns.
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1975 - Keith gets in trouble for carrying a knife in Fordyce, Arkansas
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1977 - Keith fined 750 pounds + costs for coke possession.
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1977 - Keith arrested for heroin possession in Canada. Eventually
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"sentenced" to play a free concert and take his cure in New Jersey.
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1980 - Ron and Jo Howard hang out with the wrong crowd in St. Maarten,
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and spend several days in jail for possession of cocaine.
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1987 - Jerry Hall gets into some trouble in Barbados when the local
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customs people decide a 20-lb. package of marijuana is hers.
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The "Kangaroo Customs" officers screw their own case, and Jerry
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is found 'not guilty'.
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b. How many times have they been married?
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Both Charlie Watts and Keith Richards are on their first marriages.
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Charlie married in 1964, Keith 19 years later. Brian Jones was never
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married. Mick Jagger and Ron Wood are both on their second marriages,
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to women they met in 1977. Ex-Stone Bill Wyman was the only member
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married when he joined the group, and he entered his third legal
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marriage shortly after leaving the group in 1993.
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c. Will the band break up?
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At some point, we believe.
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d. Are they going to tour again?
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The band has announced plans to take their "Voodoo Lounge" tour, kicking
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off August 1, 1994 in the United States, to Japan, South America, the
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Far East, and (in 1995) Europe.
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e. Is this the last time, really?
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They were first asked this in 1966.
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f. How old ARE they?
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Birthdays are as follows:
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Jagger July 26, 1943
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Jones Feb. 28, 1942 (dismissed June 8, 1969; died July 3, 1969)
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Richards Dec. 18, 1943
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Stewart July 18, 1938 (died December 12, 1985)
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Taylor Jan. 17, 1948 (quit December, 1974)
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Watts Jun. 02, 1941
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Wood Jun. 01, 1947
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Wyman Oct. 24, 1936 (quit 1993)
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@Q17. Myths & legends:
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a. Did Keith really get his blood changed?
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It was a widely circulated rumour that to cure himself of an addiction
|
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to heroin, Keith Richards flew to the Swiss chalet of an exclusive
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physician who had a method for replacing all of a patient's nasty
|
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addicted blood with good clean blood.
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Great gossip. Bad science.
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While it has been claimed in print by at least one biographer, this
|
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author was also Keith's dealer for several years. It is widely
|
|
considered to be little more than another colorful urban legend.
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b. Do they worship satan?
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Among the phenomena that have become known to us since the formation
|
|
of the Rolling Stones are: CDs, wireless amps, home video, and
|
|
Serious Rock Criticism. Early Serious Rock Critics, trying in vain
|
|
to capture in prose the mystique, wonder, beauty, arrogance, and power
|
|
of the Rolling Stones, would often resort to demonic imagery. It did
|
|
not help matters that the band released songs like "Sympathy for the
|
|
Devil", or that Jagger performed in a swirling cape bathed in red
|
|
light. Blame this one on the old "four blind men describing an
|
|
elephant" syndrome.
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|
Professional demonist and man-about-town Kenneth Anger once asserted
|
|
that Anita Pallenberg (Keith's paramour in the Stones' supposed
|
|
'demonic' period) was a 'witch'. But that's Kenneth Anger.
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|
|
c. Is Paul dead?
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|
|
He is rumoured to have shown up at a Rolling Stones concert in
|
|
New York City in 1978 to catch the festivities. Other than that,
|
|
no one seems to care.
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