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((___)) ((___))
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[ x x ] cDc communications [ x x ]
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\ / presents... \ /
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(` ') (` ')
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(U) (U)
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Thrasher's METALLICA INTERVIEW
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Part 2 of 2
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Compliments of Racer X
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>>> A CULT Publication......1988 <<<
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-cDc- CULT OF THE DEAD COW -cDc-
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The following is an interview with James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett of
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Metallica which was conducted by Thrasher Magazine's Pushead. This interview
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has been split into two parts to make it easier on you, the reader. Thrash,
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kill, destroy, and most of all, enjoy.
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From: THRASHER MAGAZINE - Vol. 6, No. 8
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PUSHEAD: SO THE NEW RECORD "MASTER OF PUPPETS," IS OUT AND IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO
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A GOLD RECORD AT THIS POINT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THAT?
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James: I'll stick it up in my storage place.
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Kirk: I'll give mine to my mom.
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YOU COULD SELL IT AND BUY AN APARTMENT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. THAT'S THE
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WEIRDEST THING, HERE YOU GUYS ARE, RIDING ON A SUCCESS, RIGHT? YOU'RE ON A
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SUCCESSFUL TOUR, YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL ALBUM, EVERYTHING'S DOING WELL AND YOU
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DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
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J: No.
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WILL YOU EVER?
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J: I don't know.
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K: I need a place to store my comic books when I'm out on the road.
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J: We've got some stuff, I've got a bed and all that crap, it's just in
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storage. It sucks. I've got an address where I can get mail.
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AND YOU GUYS ARE ON ALLOWANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT?
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K: Yeah, we have accountants. Now I get to buy the comics I've been wanting
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since I was a little kid. I can pay more attention now to my hobbies. When I
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was younger, I was always into comics and I never had enough money to buy
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Fantastic Four number 1, which I just got today, because of the price.
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BUT ISN'T THE PRICE MORE NOW THAN IT WAS THEN?
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K: Yeah, but when you think about it it's pretty much the same price--what was
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a quarter back then is a dollar now, it's still at the same distance.
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ARE YOU BUYING THESE AS AN INVESTMENT?
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K: Sure, they're a good investment and I do buy certain comics as investments,
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but I'm not into this hobby just to make money. That sucks, that's more like a
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broker or something. I don't buy it as much for the monetary value, though, as
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I do for just sentimental reasons and from a collector's point of view.
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J: I've got two Dennis The Menace that HE gave me. I'm going to save them
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forever.
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WHAT IS YOUR REASON FOR GETTING INTO THE COMICS, JAPANESE TOYS AND THE HORROR
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STUFF?
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K: The reason I buy toys and stuff is it's good plain fun. I'll admit it, I
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used to spend a lot of money on drugs at one point.
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WHY?
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J: Yeah, why?
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K: Because I thought maybe drugs were fun...
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J: Why?
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K: Until drugs all of the sudden weren't very fun at all...
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J: Why?
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K: And it was like a huge illusion. And I thought drugs brought me a certain
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kind of joy...
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J: Why?
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K: But, they don't... shut up, James... they stopped bringing me a lot of joy.
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And around the same time I was buying comics and toys and they were bringing me
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a lot of, for want of a better word... fun. It's healthier for me and I have
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something to show for it.
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J: Do you think comics saved you from drugs? Spiderman saved me, dude.(laughs)
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K: I've talked to friends who have made a lot of money and asked themselves,
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'Where has all my money gone?,' and the answer was always, 'Well, it all went
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into drugs and booze and such.' And I asked myself that same question and I
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have something to show for it, my money went into toys and comics and I got a
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lot of fun out of it and I'm a lot healthier to boot. They can still bring me
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a lot of fun.
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J: What about comic books about drugs?
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K: Those are the best ones.
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE GROWING TREND OF OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN
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SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE SAY IS FOR LITTLE KIDS?
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K: A lot of people make the association of comics and toys with youth. They
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put two and two together, when I was younger I played with toys and they were a
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lot of fun. But, why should anyone say that should end because you're older?
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There's absolutely no reason why that should end. I mean, it might appear to
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be an immature kind of thing to do, but if you think about it, what's so
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immature about wanting to have fun? People still go to the movies to have fun.
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It's just another form of play.
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WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE AN ADDICTIVE HOBBY?
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K: To obtain the unobtainable is a real rush in itself, like to see something
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in a magazine and go, 'Wow, I'd really like to have this...'
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WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING ARE YOU PERFORMING A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER
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GOALS THAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT?
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K: The musicianship is an entirely different thing altogether. The music comes
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first and any sort of thing on the side I think of a lot farther down the line.
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I don't go into studio thinking, well, you know, we're going to have to write
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some great songs so I can buy some great comic books. It does keep everything
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together because I have a more sound mind and a healthier attitude toward the
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lifestyle in general. Of course, if my hobby was to get totally screwed up
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every night and blow my brains out every night, I'd be a crash and burn
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individual. If my hobby is to collect comic books and have a real sound mind,
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doing better in health... comic books are inspiring to me. There are a lot of
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ideas that I can find in comic books that I can interpret through music. It's
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just better in the overall picture to be able to think clearly and to relate
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my music better. It's real complicated, I never really looked at it like that
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before.
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AN ESCAPE?
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K: Yeah, you could call it an escape. It's hard to say whether I really needed
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an escape. I didn't really watch a lot of TV. I wasn't a TV kid, I was more
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of a comic book kid. You know, you get TV kids and comic book kids. It's as
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much of an escape as television. Everyone needs that sort of entertainment. I
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collected that stuff for a long time and then I bought a guitar and got totally
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obsessed with playing guitar. I kind of backed-down on the comics and played
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the guitar a lot.
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AND NOW THE TWO HOBBIES HAVE KIND OF MATCHED...
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K: Yeah, they've come back together, because while I was playing guitar I would
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walk into a comic book store and see comics that I used to have and say, 'wow,
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I used to have that,' and I slowly came to realize that I still wanted it so I
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got back into collecting comics and collecting the things I like the most which
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are the horror comics. The EC's and Famous Monsters and just the whole horror
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genre in particular. When I was even younger, I was a big fan of Walt Disney.
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IS THERE ANYTHING NEW THAT YOU LIKE OR IS ONLY THE OLDER STUFF GOOD?
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K: A lot of the new stuff is real good too. There's a lot more violence in
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comics now...
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IS THAT GOOD OR BAD?
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K: I think it's great. It's entertaining. It's making comic books more
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interesting, because back when I was reading comic books there was a comics
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code, which is like the equivalent of like a PG rating at a movie. The
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underground comics were a lot more lenient and underground comics are more like
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an R-rated movie. Let's face it, most of the time an R-rated movie is better
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than a PG-rated movie. There's a lot of good stuff out there nowadays, like
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Mr. Monster, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And there's other stuff like Dark
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Knight. It's really good because it puts Batman in a more realistic setting.
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It's Batman, he's middle-aged, he's retiring and he's freaking out because his
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profession of stopping crime is turning him into a loony case. It is like a
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social statement because he is becoming what he once chased after... you could
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relate that to something like a song like "Sanitarium"....
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METALLICA, IS PLAYING A QUICKER, RAW BUT POLISHED SOUND THAT MOST PEOPLE SAY IS
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A VIOLENT TYPE OF MUSIC. DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD IS HAPPENING?
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ARE YOU GUYS REALLY SCREAMING AT PEOPLE, SAYING, 'LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING.'?
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K: Yeah, I think you've got a point there. People can relate to that because
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it's more like the world as it really is. I mean, let's face it, the world is
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not a pretty place. The world is pretty sick. There's a lot of ugly things
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out there and no matter how much you try and escape you always have to wake up
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and face the fact that the world is fucked-up and ugly.
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IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TELL PEOPLE IN YOUR MUSIC?
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J: Hell no. I don't want to tell people what to do because I hate people
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telling me what to do....
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YOU GUYS ARE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE SOME PEOPLE TAKE WHATEVER YOU SAY
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LITERALLY, THEY CAN EVEN TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY.
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J: Yeah, a lot.
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K: It's happened in the past, people have taken us wrong.
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J: And then that's what gives the band a bad reputation. It's utter bullshit.
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K: When we're taken wrong and bad things happen, like people get hurt, there's
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other people who are quick to bring blame, even though it's a personal
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motivation on that person's part. The person takes us wrong and brings harm to
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other people for whatever reason. That's fucked up, because a lot of the times
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it's the person themselves and not us who are really saying the wrong things.
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J: All these freak people are trying to build in this huge symbolism between
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the music they listen to and the lyrics and why they did this...the lyrics I
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write I write pretty much for myself. I'm not telling people how to think.
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Like, 'If you don't believe the way I do then you're not a real Metallica fan,'
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or some shit like that.
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YOU'RE JUST PUTTING OUT AN OPINION...
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J: My opinion.
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THEN DOES THE WHOLE BAND AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION?
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K: I do. I feel that we pretty much stand behind anything he has to say. If
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we didn't stand behind it we would let him know that in advance. So far we
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haven't so we pretty much stand behind everything James says.
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J: We talk about topics, concepts...
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ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE SUCCESS THAT YOU HAVE FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
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J: We're doing it our way, we've always wanted to do it our way, I'm happy with
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it. We haven't had to conform to any certain standards, record companies or
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whoever else wants us to do it. They haven't molded us a certain way, we did
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it all ourselves and that's great. I used to think back, and go, 'Oh my God, I
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saw us in Circus or Hit Parader or I saw us in that magazine, oh shit, I hate
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it.'
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WHY DID YOU HATE IT?
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J: Because it's so widespread, people see you in the magazine, 'Oh wow another
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band blowing it.' But we're doing it our way. We're saying what we want to
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say in interviews and they're not twisting the shit around.
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DO YOU THINK YOU'LL COME TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO WRITE A RADIO HIT, OR
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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A VIDEO?
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K: If it happens, it happens by accident.
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J: No. We're not worried about that. You start thinking too far ahead and you
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start fucking yourself up.
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K: I don't think we've ever regretted anything we've done.
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I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO WITH YOU GUYS ON THE BUS, YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE
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RUNNING ALL THIS STUFF AND YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK TO THEM BECAUSE YOU
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TRUST THEM TO DO THIS OR THAT, THEN YOU GET TO THE ARENA AND YOU AND KIRK GO TO
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THE CLOSET, GRAB YOUR SKATEBOARDS AND HOP OUT AND YOU TAKE OFF. IS THAT LIKE A
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RELEASE FOR YOU GUYS?
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J: There's nothing else to do. Our guys are setting up our shit and...
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K: The thing with all these people is, we work with them. Those people don't
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work for us, they work with us. We're all like a huge bunch of family.
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J: We all travel together.
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K: We're like a gang. They have their jobs, we have our jobs. Our jobs don't
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start until 7:30 or so, so we just wait around, skate...
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IS BEING ON TOUR BORING?
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K: A lot of the times.
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J: It depends on where you are, but with a skate, if you're bored you've always
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got something to do.
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SO THE TWO OF YOU GOT STARTED SKATEBOARDING THROUGH BOREDOMN ON TOUR?
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K: It just seemed like a real good idea.
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J: It's just kind of so we can flip away from all the hectic shit for awhile.
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DO YOU GET ANY HASSLES OR ANYTHING WHEN YOU'RE SKATING?
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K: Yeah, I get hassled by security guards but I just go on.
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DO THEY REALIZE YOU GUYS ARE THE BAND OR DO THEY THINK YOU'RE SOME LITTLE
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ROADIE?
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J: No way, hell no. They just think we're freaks coming to watch the shows.
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K: I just go to another floor and skate. Fuck that.
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SO ARE YOU HAVING A GOOD TIME SKATING WHEN YOU'RE AT THESE ARENAS?
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J: Hell yeah.
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K: The polished floors are really cool.
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J: Well, it's best when there's no seats. A lot of the places have got seats.
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HOW DID YOU GET INTO THIS SKATING THING?
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J: Wanted something to do on tour, because there was a lot of idle time when
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we're not doing anything. And I don't drink as much as I used to so it mellows
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me.
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IS THAT GOOD OR BAD?
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J: I think it's good.
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YOU GOT HURT ONCE DIDN'T YOU?
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J: There was a couple of shows where I had to have my ankle taped up. For like
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a week. It was banged up and twisted and...
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SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE STARTED THIS TOUR WITH OZZY, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE FAMILY OF
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SKATEBOARDING HAPPENING ON THIS BIG TOUR, CORRECT?
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K: Yeah, some people on Ozzy's crew and Ozzy's band.
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J: Yeah, guitarist Jake and his roadie are skating together now too. They saw
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us with our boards and go, 'hey, fuck yeah, that's a good idea.'
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AND THE MANAGEMENT'S NOT GIVING YOU ANY HASSLES BECAUSE YOU'RE VALUABLE?
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J: We told the management, 'hey, look we're thinking about taking boards out on
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tour'...I thought he was going to go, 'oh shit, no way, you can't.' He just
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said, 'well, you break something, you still play.'
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K: Yeah, 'You break a leg on your skateboard you play on stage with a broken
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leg.'
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YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ADMIRE THE MISFITS.
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K: Hi Glenn. Fuck yeah.
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AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO A COVER OF ONE OF THEIR SONGS, THAT'S WHAT THE WORD
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IS...
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K: Yep. This is true. They're great.
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WHAT GOT YOU INTO THE MISFITS? DOES IT GO WITH THE PUNK THING?
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J: Cliff turned us on to them.
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J: All of his friends were into them and he taped some stuff from his friends.
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K: It just grew on us and we started listening to it a lot. I like the
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Misfits. I liked the songs and then I saw pictures of them and went, 'Wow,
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this is cool.' The imagery that they used was like some of the stuff I've seen
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in old horror comics.
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JAMES, WHAT ARE YOU INTO, BESIDES TV?
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J: Live comedy. I'm into the Bobcat (Bob Goldthwait) and Sam Kinnison.
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K: Cliff's into Dawn of the Dead type stuff, stuff like that.
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HOW COME YOU DON'T HAVE COSTUMES?
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J: Yeah, we still haven't got our costumes back yet. Ozzy said we couldn't
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wear them. We've got our red, white and blue sparkly suits. (laughs)
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WHERE'S THE MAKE-UP AND THE STUDS?
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K: They got rusty and fell off because we sweat too much.
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YOU HAVE A WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND "MASTER OF PUPPETS", RIGHT, IS THAT WHY YOU
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HAVE THE CROSSES AND THE WHOLE THING ON STAGE?
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J: Yeah, I think it's cool, something new. Last year we had our stacks...We're
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supposed to be playing in the Aldacomet or whatever.
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K: It kind of helps the concept of the album too.
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WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF THE ALBUM?
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K: Manipulation. Various forms of manipulation, which can go into entirely a
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different subjects which we could talk about for hours.
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WHY ARE YOU SAYING "MASTER OF PUPPETS"? IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE FELT HAS
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BEEN DONE TO YOU OR THAT YOU SEE BEING DONE TO YOUR FRIENDS?
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J: Nah, I see it done to different people. Some of the stuff...well "Master of
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Puppets" deals pretty much with drugs. How things get switched around, instead
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of you controlling what you're taking and doing it's drugs controlling you.
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Like, I went to a party here in S.F., there were all these freaks shooting up
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and geezin' and this other girl was real sick.
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DOES THAT SCARE YOU?
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J: Yeah, hella.
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ARE YOU GUYS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE BECOMING AN ANTI-DRUG BAND?
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J: No, because we don't want to tell anyone what to do. If people are into it
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that's cool, they wouldn't mind about the subject we're talking about. I was
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at that party and it freaked me out and I'm hella paranoid.
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K: We run into a lot of freaks on the road messed-up on drugs, all the time.
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J: That's what happened at the last show...
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K: Yeah, someone O.D.ed at the L.A. show.
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J: Three people died.
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BUT THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY THOUGH...
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J: 'Oh, of course it is,' all the mom's say.
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K: The P.M.R.C., they don't know about it yet, but if they did know about it
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they'd raise a fucking all-holy ruckus.
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J: "Leper Messiah" deals with how people bow to TV preachers and send all their
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money away... it's just that we're aware of the fact that shit like this
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happens.
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WHAT'S THE FEELING FOR YOU GUYS WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING LIVE?
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K: It's a lot of fun. Just go out there and bash it out, you know, have a lot
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of fun while we're doing it and if other people dig it, cool.
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EVEN WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING THE SAME SONG EVERY NIGHT?
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K: Yeah, we still get into it.
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J: It's a different feeling every night, different people there. It's cool to
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freak people out too. A lot of people will be sitting there and don't know
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what the hell... and you just go over and throw a beer on them. And then they
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go, 'Oh my God, you're gettin' out of control.' Some people who come to gigs
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are so lame. They sit there, they pay all this money to get front row,
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'Yeah!,' and they sit down. Like man, what the fuck.
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YOU GET NERVOUS UP THERE IN FRONT OF A CROWD?
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J: I get nervous every night. Before I go on I feel like barfing my guts out.
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Not nervous really, just a kind of excitement. Like, 'Oh my God, I'm going to
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forget this, I'm going to forget the lyrics, I'm going to forget how to play
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guitar...'
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K: Yeah, I'd say it's adrenaline that's building up, a lot of it's nervous
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energy.
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WELL, HERE YOU ARE PLAYING FOR A CROWD OF LIKE 20,000...
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J: I don't even think of that. I don't think, 'Oh God, how many people are
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going to be here tonight?' I just go out there and play.
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K: When you go out there and bash it out it brings up a rush of adrenaline.
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Adrenaline is flowing and along with that is a touch of nervous energy. The
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adrenaline like totally takes over when you get up on stage and start playing
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and having a lot of fun. Then you forget the nervous energy. But I get
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nervous...
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DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT THEY SIT THERE? ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO AMP OUT?
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J: Not really, I like watching that though. It's kind of hard for kids to get
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a huge pit going when there's all these chairs happening. Kids have fun their
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own way. That's the way I have fun, so maybe they do it my way. You know, you
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gotta have some fun. A lot of time they're just sitting there having fun their
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way, you don't realize that's how they have fun. But, we're not out there
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goin, 'OK, everybody, give me your cigarette lighters, everybody go like this.'
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DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD TELL PEOPLE?
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K: Be honest with yourself.
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J: Honest. Get some originality happening and be aware of certain positions
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you could get stuck into as far as management and record companies.
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K: Be aware of the fact that it is a business and you have to have a
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business-like attitude, because people will fuck you up any chance they get.
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LIKE PEOPLE USING YOU?
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J: I hate the business side of it all. I go to all of our band meetings or
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wherever and end up falling asleep.
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K: I do too, I have a lot of contempt for it. You really have to pay attention
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whether you like it or not. There has to be someone in the band who is aware
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of what can happen and what is happening all the time. It's really easy to get
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fucked over. So easy.
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IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT JAMES AND KIRK HAVE TO SAY FOR METALLICA?
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K: Don't lie to yourself. Don't try to be something you're not.
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J: Hey, I'm eight feet tall.
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K: No you're not.
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J: People have to be confident in what they're doing, if they're not then
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people will step all over them. Confidence in yourself.
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IS IT HARD TO SOMETIMES REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS ARE BEING USED?
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J: I get pissed-off once in awhile listening to bootleggers out there. I
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almost fucking slammed one of them, then I realized, shit, I might get arrested
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and then I can't play the show. Yeah, you gotta think ahead...at least one
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hour.
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(c)1988 cDc communications by Racer X 8/12/88-68
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All Rights Worth Not Very Much At All, And Regrettably So
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