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No/no. I did about 7 grams of Syrian rue seeds last weekend. Never again. It
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did produce some interesting visuals, and a narcotic (yes, I know it's not
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really a narcotic, but it felt like it) effect. It also produced the worst
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nausea and vomiting I have ever experienced in my entire life. Awful is the
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only word to describe it. The next day I was still somewhat sick and very
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groggy. Has anyone had a GOOD experience from moderate/large dosages of Syrian
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Rue seeds? Was the nausea because of the harmaline, or due to other things in
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the seeds?
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From: jah@clinet.fi (Jani Heinonen)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Re: harmala questions
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Date: 30 Jun 1993 20:18:45 +0300
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Message-ID: <20shtlINNsn6@clinet.fi>
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Jeremy writes:
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>Three grams of ground seeds has proved quite adequate. Less would
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>probably also work. <30 mg of harmaline should also do the trick.
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>I think a psychedelic dose of harmaline is around the 200 mg mark,
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>so maybe up to 20g of seeds could be eaten for the full effects
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A FOAF once chewed approximately 10 grams of harmala seeds. The full effects
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started within half an hour of ingestion, with occasional feelings of
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weightlessness and a peculiar enchanced and distorted perception of sound.
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He lay on his bed, eyes closed, and was immediately immersed in a visual
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fantasy starting with floating eyes (;-), one of which eventually swallowed the
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psychonaut and threw him into The World of Spirits(tm). The visionary and
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auditory quest continued for quite a while, during which our brave
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experimenter had an alarmingly high pulse and was seriously contemplating
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whether stroke or cerebral haemorrhage comes first.
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The body load was so horrible that he was unable to write down his experiment
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by any means, and any movement was extremely painful. He was nauseated but
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did not expel the contents of his stomach, although it probably would've been
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better if he had - the seeds don't digest too well. He was also completely
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unable to sleep during the whole night. The experiment started at around 8 pm.
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(post mortem?)
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As for the trip, it was very much like how Ayahuasca is often described.
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Perhaps this knowledge affected the course of our apprentice ayahuascero's
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voyage. Anyway, there were e.g. eyes-closed visions of the Amazonas, with
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sparkly fireworks in the sky. The statue of a hawk-headed deity, accompanied
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by a section of Revolution 9 (on the auditory side) appeared. No jaguars,
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however. ;-) There was very little, if no synesthesia and visual distortions
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were limited to a blurred vision and very strong tracers. Emotional effects
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were very profound and he encountered an extemely critical inner voice pointing
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out how he had neglected and mistreated the people around him. There was
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also a sensation that could be best described as "cognitive feedback" and which
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is often felt during high fever. He felt telepathic contact with the late(?)
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curandera Maria Sabina and some people, supposedly Americans, who had
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permanently crossed the river Styx as a result of Ayahuasca experiments.
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This was probably influenced by a net article describing a butane huffer who
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saw spirits of people who had died from said indulgence.
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Well, that's about it. It doesn't make much sense and there's no logical
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or chronological continuum, but considering the circumstances, it's an
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adequate sum-up of my friend's experience. He might have left something out
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or thrown in an after-fancy, as this happened almost a year ago.
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By the way, he had not eaten or drunk anything which could've interacted
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with the alkaloids, so they were fully responsible of the dangerous
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sympathomimetic side effects. I advise excercising some caution before
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chewing up a bloody ounce of the stuff. As to DMT, comparing my friend's
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experience with the Ayahuasca one, I'd say that the only difference is
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the level of visual effects and perhaps the combination being more "unreal".
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--
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Jani Heinonen Finger or mail for PGP 2.2 public key
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jah@clinet.fi
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From: msclito@eskimo.com (Gary Bense)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
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Subject: P.harmala+P.cubensis
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Message-ID: <CnL924.8K2@eskimo.com>
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Date: 1 Apr 94 16:13:11 GMT
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I just saw this article in an old issue of the Entheogen Review and
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thought some would find it interesting...
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Combing P. harmala with P. Cubensis
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You asked me to tell you when I knew the results of my proposed
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experiments with P. harmala and P. cubensis. I have since found that one
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gram of harmala extract more than doubled the effects of two grams of
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cubensis. That is, subjectively, the experience was at least as strong
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as previous five gram doses - a true example of "less is more!" The
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experience was qualitively different also - colors seemed not quite as
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vived, though more patterns were pronounced; I was physically almost
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unable to move for two or three hours (making shamanistic work all but
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impossible), and the trip lasted at least two hours longer than expected,
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with a long slow decline after the peak. Be careful, though - I
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unthinkingly drank a cup of coffee the next day and quickly developed a
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splitting headache. This was possibly the effect of MAO inhibition,
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since I practically never get headaches of any kind. Best luck with The
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Entheogen Review.
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-J.G. CA
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Does anyone have any info on Peganum harmala? I have a lot, but
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I think a FAQ is needed..... ANyone? ANyone?
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Mescalito Ted
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From: murple@ukelele.gcr.com (Murple)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
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Subject: Re: P.harmala+P.cubensis
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 14:13:43 -0400
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Message-ID: <2nplcn$t8n@ukelele.gcr.com>
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Actually, its funny that I just saw Ted's post....as I was just about to
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make a post of my own concerning a harmala + psilocybin trip I took last
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night.
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I began by crushing up 2.5 grams of harmala seeds, and swallowing them -
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qui]it{ a disgusting taste... I waited about 30-45 minutes for them to
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digest (and to see if i would throw up) before eating my shrooms. I felt a
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slight queasiness in my stomach, but not desire to yack, so I ate the
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shrooms (about 30{45 mins after the harmala, like I said).
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After eating 1.5g of shrooms (from a previous trip out of the same bag, i
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knew them to be quitt({ potent shrooms), the trip began abo{t 20 minutes
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after taking them. It came on more gradually than a pure shroom trip. The
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trip itself was different than just plain shrooms. Its not really a
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describably difference...it seems to open a different (but similar) door
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in the mind. Physically, it felt different to. For example, although it
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was about 70 degrees outside, it felt to be about 40 d{grees.... When I
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walked, I felt somewhat drunk - I wasn't stumbling, my coordinatio{ seemed
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fine...but there was that same sense of vertigo that you feel when walking
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around drunk.{
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Hallucinations were quite different. I remember looking at Venus and not
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being able to decide if it was a star or a plane, because it kept moving.
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Inside, colors seemed different, but not in the intense way caused by
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plain shrooms - they seemed somewhat eartier, and I found myself attracted
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to browns, greys, black, and dark reds - quite different from the
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attraction to bright colors caused by pure psilocybin.
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As{far as MAO inhibition... I was drinking cocacola all night (caffeine)
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and ate a cheeseburger at mcdonalds (cheese & meat), but felt no{side
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effects...h{wev{r, I do not recommend {ating alot of{ no-n{ foods,{because
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althouh s{all quantities can be OK, chowing down on cheeses and alcohol or
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yeast or meats could cause problems. Keep it simple, if you decide to trip
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with harmala. (You probably wont feel very hungry anyways).
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About halfway through the trip, i ate another gram of harmala, to prolong
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the trip. It did seem to work...as the trip lasted about 6 hours total
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(other trips from the same bag of shrooms, but with no harmala, lasted
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only 3-4 hours). The come-down was very very slow, and the peak was quite
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long as well.
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My thought-patterns were also{different than they usually are while on
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shrooms or LSD. But like I said, th{ differences are very hard to
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describe...they are subtle, but they add up to produce a quite distinct trip.
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For one, it seemed like a less "freaky" trip. It was very intense, but
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there was no sense of panic at all. I would probably feel OK going out to
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dinner with my parents while being on this combination - the harmala
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really seemed to add a calming aspect to the trip. It also seemed to be
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less personal of a trip. Rather than a dive into the subconscious mind (as
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with LSD/shrooms), it seemed to be a dive {nto what Jung called the
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super-conscious Mind - th{ mind of humanity as{a whole. xDt(Alot of the
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things I usually end up thinking of while tripping never crossed my
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mind...and alot of things I have never thought about while tripping were
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quite prominent in my mind last night.
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Harmala is quite legal, and quite easy to get through various mail-order
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botanical companies...I highly recomme{d anyone who i]uses shrooms or DMT
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try mixing some harmala with the shrooms/DMT. It's incredible - like
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tripping for the first time. And I like the doors that it opened in my
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mind. I feel like this trip did a lot of good for me.
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