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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 10 Num. 40
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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HEAVENS GATE, JONESTOWN, AND MASS MEDIA FABLES
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An Interview With John Judge
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(By Sherman H. Skolnick)
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[...continued...]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: What do you think that this was?
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JOHN JUDGE: In any intelligence operation, you always go for
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multiple bonuses. Obviously, for some reason these people were
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to be murdered. Their silence had to be secured, or they wanted
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to use the incident as, in order to influence some kind of social
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policy. There were two things that were being discussed almost
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immediately: one was, censorship of the Internet; the other was,
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whether people have the right to die and whether they have a
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right to be assisted in the suicide.
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This was at the time, early on, when they were saying that
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Applewhite was still alive. Now they're saying that Applewhite
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is among the dead. But they had the I.D.s right from the
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beginning and it made me wonder whether Applewhite *is*, in fact,
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among the dead.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, Internet and euthanasia were
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some of the subjects put and debated by the established media.
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JOHN JUDGE: And the spokesperson when CNN ran these issues right
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from the beginning of the reporting was a person by the name of
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Gerald Post(sp?). And he had been on Crossfire five days before
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the [Heavens Gate] incident, arguing the "necessity," that
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"Internet was full of conspiracy theorists spreading hate and it
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had to be censored." His credentials that they gave were, he was
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a professor at George Washington University, and among the topics
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that he taught was a class in political psychology --
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psychological operations. And this guy, Gerald Post, was much
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more visibly and correctly identified during the Gulf War, when
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he commented on CNN and other media as an *open* agent of the
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Central Intelligence Agency, whose specialty was domestic
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psychological evaluation.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And he had a connection with Heavens Gate?
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JOHN JUDGE: Only in the sense that, on the first day, he was the
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first official spokesperson.
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And you have to take a close look at all the people that are
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commenting. Also, the story about the one person who quit the
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cult: "Rio" is the only name given so far that I've seen.
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They're hiding his identity. But he's alleged to have quit the
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cult 5 weeks before this happened. And then he turns up also as
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the person who discovers the bodies and reports it to the police.
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And this is classic for a provocateur. In other words, if it was
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an intelligence operation, he is the most suspect and they won't
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identify him. But he worked with this guy -- Nick Matzurkis I
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believe the name is? He runs some sort of a computer gaming
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industry. And Matzurkis also subcontracted Heavens Gate to his
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client, so he's involved with their business affairs. [CN:
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Matzurkis(sp?) received 2 computer disks in the mail from Heavens
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Gate around the time of the supposed mass suicide. The disks
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were *not* material from their supposed web site. Matzurkis has
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placed the disks in a bank safe deposit box and last I heard had
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not revealed any of the contents.]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, some of the first people that
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showed up in the media were known commentators on CIA domestic
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operations.
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JOHN JUDGE: Yes, there was an expert who worked for the CIA, an
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expert on domestic psychological operations. And the
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spokespeople are always important in these situations. At
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Jonestown, the first two national spokespeople that said it
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wasn't unusual that all these people killed themselves were Dr.
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Joly West, UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute (part of MK-ULTRA),
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and also Dr. Robert J. Liston, who along with Dr. West wrote the
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original books about the Korean brainwashing, as a lie to cover
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up chemical and biological weapons used in Korea and also to
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establish the need of the United States to do mind control.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: So Heavens Gate may be another CIA/MK-ULTRA
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operation, like Jonestown.
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JOHN JUDGE: I believe so. I think that there's enough
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discrepancies in the facts. The story that this Nick Matzurkis
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has, that Rio spoke to him and said he thought they might be
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killing themselves: he said he got the message on Tuesday and
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alerted Matzurkis, but they didn't go down to see what's
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happening until Wednesday.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Are you going to write up something?
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JOHN JUDGE: I am working with some other people to potentially
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write something about this.
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I believe that they were murdered. I don't believe that any
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group of people... Even if you could convince yourself in a rush
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situation, somehow, to kill yourself when there's no imminent
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external threat, I don't think you would keep convincing yourself
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over 6 or 7 days.
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It's quite likely that there were more people in the compound
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that left after the murders were done as well.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: The one who's played up these type of UFO with
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Hale-Bopp stories is Art Bell, who is a cousin of Warren Buffet.
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Warren Buffet is some type of dope/espionage person in my
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opinion, whose fortune is very questionable -- sort of like
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Robert Maxwell.
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JOHN JUDGE: I know that the story of the UFO following the
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comet, which has become part of this legend (as to what these
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people were doing and why they killed themselves at this time,
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supposedly), came from an amateur astronomer who called the Art
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Bell show.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Art Bell is spread out all over, onto major
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radio stations that would not find your comments or mine
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acceptable to go on the air. And all of a sudden, Art Bell and
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his "UFOs in your backyard" stories are being promoted all over
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the place.
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JOHN JUDGE: I've had no media calls although I did the original
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work with Mae Brussell on Jonestown. I've had many calls,
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though, from individuals around the country, asking what I
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thought about the Heavens Gate situation because of the work that
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I have done.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Is it also possible that because of the
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Clinton White House scandals escalating, that this is to make a
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diversion?
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JOHN JUDGE: There are certainly other much more important things
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going on, including the move by Dexter King and the King family
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to approach James Earl Ray, to try to re-open Ray's trial. And
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that was dismissed this morning on NPR by Daniel Schorr, saying
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that "the Kings were just feeding into a new movie by Oliver
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Stone." Stone *does* want to make a movie of the book, *Orders
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To Kill* by William Pepper, who was a civil rights activist with
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Dr. King. An excellent book.
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When you take the level of integrity and courage it took for
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the King family to come forward and call openly for a trial for
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James Earl Ray, and all you can do is smear them and dismiss, I
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think it borders on being racist on their [NPR's] part.
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We have a national campaign going on right now to petition the
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appeals court to act quickly: to test the rifle, to re-open the
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trial. We're going to have William Pepper and perhaps Dexter
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King at our conference here in June. And we also have a national
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campaign to free the 650 to 700 thousand pages of
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still-classified documents.
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The last time that there was a public statement by Coretta
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Scott King was in the 1970s, that she believed that there was a
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conspiracy in the case. And the reason it came out was that
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James Earl Ray's attorneys had won a remand of the case. And the
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press had asked the Kings what they thought. And within a
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two-week period, in which King's widow made that first and only
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statement blaming a conspiracy, two of the main family members
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were killed. First the brother, A.D. King, was found fully
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clothed behind the house, in a swimming pool, drowned. A man
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that didn't swim and didn't like to go in the water.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And then King's mother was murdered.
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JOHN JUDGE: That's right, and then the mother was murdered in
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Ebeneezer Baptist by Martin Wayne Chenault(?). And they were
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both witnesses to the physical wounds on Dr. King.
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The person who did it, Chenault, was linked to a guy that
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called himself Abraham Israel -- he had different names he used.
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His real name was David Hill. He was from Cleveland, but tied to
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Field Marshall Cinque of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
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Chenault joined a group called "The Troop or the Truth." And
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they had a list of civil rights leaders they were going to kill.
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And they were programmed killers. He came out of there grinning
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like Arthur Bremer [convicted of attempted assassination of
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George Wallace], and he asked, "Did I hit anybody?" And he had a
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gun in his hand. They did no ballistic or autopsy work on Dr.
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King's mother, to find out if there had been a second assassin,
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whether Chenault was just a patsy in there popping the gun off to
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take the blame. He was put into prison, but David Hill then
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disappeared from Cleveland and founded something called
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"Hilltown," which was about 20 miles from Jonestown, in the bush
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in Guyana. And he claimed to have 8,000 American Indians and
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blacks there, and he worked to ensure elections for Forbes
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Burnham, the CIA plant that took over the country.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Your coalition, the Coalition On Political
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Assassinations, holds conventions or conferences from time to
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time.
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JOHN JUDGE: We do an annual conference, and we also do a
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regional conference every year in Dallas around the anniversary
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of the JFK assassination, November 22nd.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: You do everything possible to keep this before
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the public.
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JOHN JUDGE: Yes, we do, although there is very definitely a
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press blockade of this material. Almost despite anything we do,
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we can't get coverage. Even an hour on C-Span would get us
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national attention.
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We have a web site, http://www.nicom.com/~copa
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Our e-mail address is, copa@nicom.com
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One of my tapes is distributed by Prevailing Winds Research.
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It's called "Cults, Lies, and Videotape." (Phone: 805-899-3433;
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Fax: 805-899-4773; BBS: 805-899-4737.) I did it two summers
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ago. The tape has a lot of my analysis on different cults. Many
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of these cults were created whole cloth and were infiltrated and
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are run by the government. The idea of infiltrating the occult
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societies as control systems goes back at least to World War II,
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when the Office of Naval Intelligence hired Jack Parsons and
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Alestair Crowley, [self-proclaimed "Beast" of Revelations].
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Crowley sent his disciples into all the various cults, to
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infiltrate them and find out how they worked.
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