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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 1 Num. 49
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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[From an interview with the former marketing director of the
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Arkansas Development and Finance Authority, and former associate
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of Bill Clinton, Larry Nichols. This interview took place on the
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May 5, 1994 "America's Town Forum" radio show, hosted by Tom
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Donahue. The show is broadcast most weekday evenings at 7 pm
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(cst) on shortwave frequency 5.810 mHz. (Nichols speaks via
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telephone with Donahue.)]
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[...continued...]
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TOM DONAHUE: {1}. Tom Donahue, "America's Town Forum," patriotism
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in action. Larry Nichols, our very special guest. Our talk line
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number here, the Town Forum line, is 1-800-298-8255.
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Larry, Ralph brought up a very good point. That is, it seems like
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the foreign press is having to break most of the story. There are
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a few exceptions, uh L.J. Davis. Of course, the *American
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Spectator*, but they're gonna be considered biased because [of]
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their, their conservative slant. Or Pat Robertson's network. Um,
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and then we have people like you, that were on the front lines,
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revealing the truth. But, why is it the foreign press? Why has
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the American press, up to this point, been more or less the
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lapdogs?
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LARRY NICHOLS: I've always tried to be honorable, and I've always
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tried to be fair, with the American press. I can say to you today
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that I have nothing but contempt now for the American media.
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Part of the problem is they were so interested in getting Bill
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Clinton elected. Part of the problem is they hated George Bush. I
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don't think they conspired to get him elected, I just think they
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were against Bush and others.
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But they're hiding the truth from the American people.
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Now. I don't say that you have to believe me. As a matter of
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fact, I'm not asking your audience for anything.
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DONAHUE: No.
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NICHOLS: All *I* ask 'em to do is demand a congressional hearing,
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demand Congress to do its job. At that point, if the allegations,
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as serious as they are, that I make... If I can't prove 'em, I've
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gotta go to jail!
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DONAHUE: Exactly.
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Let me ask you: What scenario do you see -- if indeed what you've
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painted for us, and I believe to be true -- that Bill Clinton
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will be told to, or he'll decide, to step aside because the
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heat's too much and he can leave with some faith (I guess that'll
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probably be his presumption here.) Who do you see coming in?
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Obviously Al Gore, taking over the Presidency. How about vice-
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Presidency? Senator Mitchell, waiting in the wings, deciding "I
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don't wanna be a Supreme Court justice."? Maybe vice-President?
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Or do you see another scenario?
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NICHOLS: I could probably... The scenario that scares me the
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*most*, and I must be honest, and I have no reason to say this...
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I mean, it's my opinion. I have no fact. But I would surmise that
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Jay Rockefeller would be, as protocol would have it, next in
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line.
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DONAHUE: When you say "protocol," as in "CFR [Council on Foreign
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Relations] protocol"? Or...
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NICHOLS: Protocol as, if the President's gone, the vice-President
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takes over. Uh, seniority and all the other stuff that's out
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there. There's a good shot that Rockefeller could get it.
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DONAHUE: I would agree with you there. I think that that would be
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the first choice, if not Senator Mitchell.
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NICHOLS: And then when you add *to* the fact -- and again, I'm
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not well-versed on world, one-world government, that kind of
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stuff. I'm not versed on that. But if you understand that there
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seems to be extreme linkage to *him*, they're gonna have to have
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somebody come into office to replace Clinton that is absolutely
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committed to their agenda.
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DONAHUE: And that's health care.
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NICHOLS: And I'm not so sure that Gore is totally committed to
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that agenda. But I'm very sure Rockefeller is.
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DONAHUE: Well Gore is. But Gore is preoccupied with
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environmentalism. And I think that's where the health care plan
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could be forced through with Rockefeller, because that is a
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Rockefeller plan. Absolutely.
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Uh, let's go back to drugs... Mena, Arkansas. Uh I... You and
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L.J. Davis had referred to... And since your visit, we have had
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the authors of *Compromised* {2} on, *Clinton, Bush and the CIA*,
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and how both Presidencies were co-opted. How much do you know
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about Mena, Arkansas? Fill us in on the details.
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NICHOLS: I'm part of this triad of the people that are trying to
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get Mena before the American public. There's Bill Duncan, Russell
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Welch... Welch, state police. Duncan, IRS, Treasury agent. They
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were moving from one angle. You have Terry Reed, who was involved
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from another perspective. And Bill Duncan can trace the money
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flow to central Arkansas, but that's where his investigation,
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when it was forced to shut down, stop. I apparently stumbled into
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where the money was goin'.
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In reference to Terry Reed's book: I must say that from probably
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'86 until '88 at ADFA, and a little bit after that, I was
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involved in trying to help the *contras* through their resupply
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effort. I didn't see CIA drug money goin' to the *contras* on the
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ground. I was there. They didn't have bullets.
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I didn't see them smuggling drugs, because had they of had
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cocaine, I'd have got it for 'em and given it to the wounded.
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Now. You go back to Terry Reed's moment in time, which is the
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Barry Seal era, prior to me. I can only say this: If Ronald
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Reagan, as much as I think of him as a President and what he
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tried to do... George Bush... if they're guilty, then we've *got
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to tell the truth*. If the CIA is using drug money and supporting
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the flow of drugs, then they need to be shut down for that. And I
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guess that's my position with Terry. You know Terry... I'm in the
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book [i.e. *Compromised*] but, I try to be guarded, Tom, to
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protect you and your station and your integrity, and stay with
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the things that I can absolutely prove come judgement day, before
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a congressional hearing.
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DONAHUE: Where *did* the money go? You're alluding to the fact
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that -- I think that's the million dollar question -- uh, how
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*was* the money funneled? Where do you think it went if the
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*contras* didn't benefit like they were supposed to?
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NICHOLS: I would say the money went to the crime syndicates that
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I believe, and through things that you will see in the coming
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days, connect to Bill Clinton. And I believe the drugs were
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distributed from Arkansas all up and down the Northeast.
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And you gotta understand: When you control the police, when you
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control everything in Arkansas, then it was not hard to
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distribute that cocaine out of the state.
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DONAHUE: Um-hmm [understands]. What about "Big Daddy" Dan
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Lasater? Where does he play into this? We know he was the so-
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called "bonds" man.
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NICHOLS: Well Dan Lasater produced for Barry Seal the ability to
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launder money at a more competitive rate than was the going rate
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in the crime world. It's my understanding (and again, it's my
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understanding from Reed's book) that they were cutting 10
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percent, then "washing" it through a state agency, "washing" it
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from the state agency into the banks. You know it's odd that
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ADFA, an Arkansas state agency, didn't use an Arkansas bank!
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DONAHUE: What bank did they use?
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NICHOLS: They used two BCCI [Bank of Credit and Commerce
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International] banks, one in Florida and one in Georgia. And they
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used Dan Rostenkowski's bank, in Chicago.
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DONAHUE: What's the name of that bank in Chicago?
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NICHOLS: Uh, Guarantee Trust, or something like that. Guarantee
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Trust Bank {3}. I don't have my notes and stuff in front of me...
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DONAHUE: That sounds right, yeah. Um-hmm [understands].
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NICHOLS: And then the money would go from there to Citicorp.
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DONAHUE: Rockefeller.
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NICHOLS: Now. Then you've got, in December of 1988, right after I
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left, get this: ADFA transferred $50 million into Fuji Bank in
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the Grand Cayman Islands. Now Dan Lasater goes to the Cayman
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Islands nearly every weekend. And by the way: He was put in jail,
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got out, and was given a full and complete pardon, and is doin'
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what he was doin' before he went to jail, right now, today. And
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most people don't know it, the attorney general didn't know it,
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and nobody in Arkansas can figure how Clinton could give him a
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full pardon. Because cocaine is a federal offense. But he's got
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it.
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DONAHUE: He went to jail for not only using, but selling
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cocaine...
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NICHOLS: Not selling it. *Giving it away*.
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DONAHUE: Just *giving* it away!
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NICHOLS: He had so much money, and so much cocaine, that he
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flaunted it and he gave the cocaine away. Not one person does he
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sell it to. He was giving it away at parties to 13 and 14-year-
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old girls.
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DONAHUE: What about Bill Clinton's "I don't inhale [marijuana],"
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or "I don't consume"? Was there any evidence that Bill Clinton
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was a drug user, besides the marijuana issue that came up in the
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campaign?
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NICHOLS: Yessir. As a matter of fact, when you talk to Gary Parks
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tomorrow, you will find that Gary Parks was at parties at the
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Governor's mansion, that Roger [Clinton] and Bill [Clinton] were
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there, where cocaine was in candy dishes.
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DONAHUE: In candy dishes.
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NICHOLS: As a matter of fact, in '82 -- Bill Clinton had lost in
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'80 -- Witt Stephens, brother of Jack Stephens, said if Clinton
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would "dry out" on the cocaine, he would back him in the '82
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race. And he did [dry out], supposedly.
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(to be continued)
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---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
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{1} Just a note to say that Donahue is currently being
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prosecuted/persecuted by the feds for alleged fraud or some such
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thing. He is opting to act as his own attorney. Further details
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*may* be found in the Thursday, July 7, 1994, Dallas daily
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newspaper (I think Dallas has just one daily paper at the
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moment.) Donahue is also giving updates on his trial via his
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radio show.
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{2} *Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA*, by Terry Reed and
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John Cummings. New York: S.P.I. Books, 1994. ISBN 1-56171-249-3.
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{3} According to Sherman Skolnick [Conspiracy for the Day, May
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25, 1994], Rostenkowski and a Dan Shannon share ownership of the
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Garfield Ridge Trust and Savings Bank.
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Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et
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pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9
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