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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 63
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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GENE "CHIP" TATUM -- CA. JULY 1996
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Abbreviated transcript of Gene Tatum's appearance on the Rob Lori
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radio show out of Tampa, Florida.
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[...continued...]
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ROBERT LORI:
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Gene Tatum is back with us, live. You're listening to "Radio
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Activity," WMNF, in Tampa.
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So tell us more about these Oliver North "camps." It seems
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pretty hard to imagine that Oliver North, who was a White House
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aide, had the time to go down and do all this: to set up these
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camps and to be so involved in what you say is cocaine smuggling
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when, I think it was the Kerry Commission looked into this, and
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others, and nobody's found the hard proof. There's been some
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witnesses who have come forward to make these allegations in the
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past. But nobody has come up with a video tape or anything like
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that.
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GENE TATUM:
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That's interesting. And let me qualify that Commission's task:
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those commissions were tasked with looking at the arms sale and
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the illegal cover up of information on that. They were not
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tasked to look into drug activity.
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ROBERT LORI:
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So if these video tapes exist and if the flight records exist,
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why not just release them and make them public?
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GENE TATUM:
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Because the video tapes exist showing other people, along with
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Mr. North. If I were to release those tapes -- the 1994 call to
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me threatened my children. (I have four children, who live with
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their mom.) I will not allow that to happen. I don't mind
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exposing Mr. North, Mr. Rodriguez. Mr. Nir can no longer be
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exposed because I was tasked with eliminating him in 1988.
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ROBERT LORI:
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Okay, let's talk about that. Amiram Nir is an Israeli
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intelligence person. And I'm not sure whether he worked for the
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government or not. Tell me more about Amiram Nir.
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GENE TATUM:
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He was the Prime Minister of Israel's primary consultant on
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terrorism. He was associated with Israeli intelligence. I'm not
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going to say it was Mossad. It was Israeli intelligence of some
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sort -- because of his knowledge.
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And when you say "Mr. North's time to build these camps:" He
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designated that to General Alvarez of Honduras -- he was the army
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Chief of Staff -- and to Enrique Bermudez(sp?), the commander of
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those North camps. *They* actually built those camps.
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I think I saw Mr. North one time in Honduras -- no, twice. I'm
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sorry.
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ROBERT LORI:
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So in terms of "taking out" Amiram Nir, what was your role in
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that?
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GENE TATUM:
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I was to fly a 4-man team to a southern Mexico town, outside of
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Morelia. Mr. Nir was involved in an avocado packaging plant
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which, I don't know if it did or didn't package avocados, or
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packaged something else. I was not involved in that. I *was*
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involved in eliminating him before he could appear before the
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commissions to testify in 1989.
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I flew a 4-man team in. There was a radio beacon put in, with
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the frequency given to us, put on Mr. Nir. We triangulated the
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position. The 4-man team went to that position to eliminate Mr.
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Nir. However apparently there were two signals, and one was in an
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aircraft, a small aircraft. I think it was a Cessna T-210, a
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small, charter aircraft.
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When I fly a mission as a combat helicopter pilot, into a foreign
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country, we normally fly in what's called "the Archer Mode,"
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which is an armed mode. We would fly an aircraft with full
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Stingers on one side of the pod, and we would fly a, about a
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one-quarter to one-third charged missiles on the right side of
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the aircraft, so that we could scare away base aircraft based in
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the country that we were in, rather than shoot them down. We
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would rather scare them away than shoot them down.
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Unfortunately, this missile, the proximity missile that I fired,
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took down the aircraft and killed two people on board.
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ROBERT LORI:
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And one of them was Amiram Nir?
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GENE TATUM:
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That's correct.
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ROBERT LORI:
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The shoot-down took place at a time when the Iran-Contra scandal
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was on the front pages of American newspapers, right?
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GENE TATUM:
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That's right.
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ROBERT LORI:
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So what's your theory about why your superiors wanted him "taken
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out?"
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GENE TATUM:
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I believe that he could have provided embarrassing information
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about the involvement of Mr. Harari, directly linking, probably,
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Israel, to the manufacturing and trafficking of cocaine. I
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believe that he could implicate the Vice-President of the United
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States, George Bush, in the trafficking of cocaine. And I
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believe he could implicate several others, including Mr. North.
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And I believe that he was prepared to implicate them.
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ROBERT LORI:
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Who ordered you to "take out" Amiram Nir?
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GENE TATUM:
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It came through Major Rodriguez, who actually ended up being
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Felix Rodriguez. Most of the orders that we would receive would
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come through that particular mode. Now this, you have to
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understand, was after Iran-Contra. So the order came from
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Rodriguez, but it was actually from George Bush.
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ROBERT LORI:
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Now how do you know it was from George Bush?
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GENE TATUM:
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Because I spoke to Mr. Bush concerning it.
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ROBERT LORI:
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And how did you speak to him? Did you speak to him face-to-face?
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GENE TATUM:
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Via land line.
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ROBERT LORI:
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And what did he tell you?
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GENE TATUM:
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He explained to me that Mr. Nir was a threat, that he was trying
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to expose the movement and the trafficking, and that he needed to
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be "taken out." And he told me to pick up my Archer Team,
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relocate to El Salvador, that tactical fuel [unclear] and
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tactical beacons would be set up. I was to move my aircraft to
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those beacons for re-fueling, and eliminate Mr. Nir.
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ROBERT LORI:
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Now what was your frame of mind, as...
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GENE TATUM:
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Let me qualify that: I was also told that this was an approved
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mission by the Mossad and that it was primarily for the Mossad
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that we were doing this.
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ROBERT LORI:
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So the Mossad viewed Amiram Nir as a renegade agent, and they
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wanted him "taken out" as well.
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GENE TATUM:
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That's the understanding that was given to me, yes.
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ROBERT LORI:
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What was your frame of mind? Did you have any compunction about
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carrying out the killing of people?
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GENE TATUM:
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No.
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Let me qualify how many people I've had to kill in my life:
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within 5 feet of me, probably about 30; within 200 feet, about
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80; and beyond that, I don't know, because -- probably thousands,
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with missiles and so forth.
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ROBERT LORI:
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So you were pretty gung-ho, U.S. Military.
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GENE TATUM:
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Absolutely.
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ROBERT LORI:
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I mean, you followed orders. And when somebody said, "Do this,"
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you did it. Because you believe in your country and you believed
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in what your leaders were telling you.
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GENE TATUM:
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That's correct.
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ROBERT LORI:
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Let's back up for just a moment, and talk about the very first
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covert operation that you say you were involved in. You were
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involved in Southeast Asia, in a covert operation, during the
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Viet Nam War. Tell us about that covert operation.
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GENE TATUM:
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[CN: Tatum told how he joined the Air Force in the late
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'60s/early 70's, was trained as an air traffic controller, and
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went on to advanced schooling: Army jump school; escape and
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evasion school, with jungle training; sea survival school; diving
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school. He said he was then sent on temporary duty into Thailand
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to help set up a communications center. Task Force Alpha, a
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large intelligence force, was also there. Tatum said he was then
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"volunteered" into an assignment which apparently is how he got
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involved with covert operations. From there, according to Tatum,
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he worked with successive White House administrations.]
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Our mission in "Pegasus" was to align foreign leaders, foreign
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financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United
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States, using first of all diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work,
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then it was turned over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of the
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three arenas that we were professionals at working at. [CN:
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i.e., blackmail, intimidation, and murder.]
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ROBERT LORI:
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Let's talk about this "Operation Pegasus." How old is Pegasus?
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GENE TATUM:
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I'm told, by various intelligence sources around the world, that
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Pegasus is an operation that's been in place since probably the
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'50s. It was originally designed to spy on spies. In other
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words, to look at the CIA and the National Security Agency to see
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who is loyal, who is doing what. {1}. And that *was* a portion
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of Pegasus's duties; there was a section... *My* duties included
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simply flying -- "fancy taxi driver," I should put it, sometimes
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armed.
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---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
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{1} Tatum's info on Pegasus is corroborated by Trenton Parker.
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See CN 6.54 and CN 6.89 for more on Parker, who appeared on Tom
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Valentine's *Radio Free America* show in 1993. Parker has talked
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about this "Pegasus" unit, saying that it was secretly set up by
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Harry Truman to keep an eye on the CIA.
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