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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 98
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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JAMES NORMAN || WBAI RADIO || MAY 13, 1996
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James Norman was featured on a "Hidden Agenda" broadcast, hosted
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by Gary Null, on WBAI Radio in New York City on May 13, 1996.
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The following is an abbreviated transcript of that interview:
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GARY NULL:
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We will interview at this point a man named James Norman.
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James Norman is a journalist. He's been a journalist for many
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years. He was senior editor, specializing in stories about major
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companies, for Forbes magazine [and] the Auckland Star in
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Auckland, New Zealand. Also Business Week: he was a senior
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writer for them. And he was also bureau manager in Houston,
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Texas, bureau manager in Minneapolis, and senior writer in
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Stanford, Connecticut. He worked for the Oakland Press, the Ann
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Arbor News, and the Daily Telegram.
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He came across a story. And it's a story that won't go away.
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And we've decided to pursue it.
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But a little background on this: Normally, when I do a "Hidden
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Agenda" series, as I just did with Horowitz -- he had to send me
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hundreds and hundreds of documents. Because the statements he
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was making, for most people would be considered too extreme. And
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I can assure you that virtually all the documents, from official
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and government sources, are there. Or he wouldn't have got on
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the show.
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And similarly, when I first became aware of the story of James
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Norman, it was about a year ago. And many people said, "Why
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don't you have James Norman on the show?"
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So, I contacted James Norman, went over his information. But
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because it's not a single story -- it is a story with so many
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tentacles, it's like an octopus. And I thought, "Well, some of
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these stories are plausible. Some are not." And I said, "James,
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you're going to have to supply me with documentation." And I
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said, "Even with the best of intents, you may have been conned by
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some people." (Where you take a good part of the story, that you
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can hold your own on, and next thing you know is, they've
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discredited you on another; they've planted some misinformation.)
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So anyhow, back and forth, over a long period of time, I've met
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with James Norman; he supplied me with documents. And finally,
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he supplied me with one of his primary sources. I spent some
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time interviewing this primary source.
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And so I just want our audience to know that I am satisfied that
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many of the statements that you're about to hear *can* be
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corroborated.
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JAMES NORMAN:
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It is a rather infuriating cluster of stories, because it's not
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the kind of thing there is readily [available] documented
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evidence for. But it's the kind of thing where we've talked to
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an awful lot of people and had it corroborated verbally. And
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since this thing broke about a year ago, there's been
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consistently mounting bits and pieces of corroborative evidence
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that are cropping up. And unfortunately, the story has been
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rather predictive of events.
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The way it all started: I didn't set out to do some big
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investigative piece; I was just doing a story on an oil company
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bankruptcy in Connecticut. But it got into looking at various
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covert arms financing vehicles used by the government or people
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connected with it. And that got into the murky realm of computer
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software, and particularly to bank spying activities by our
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government. I stumbled onto what actually was a major effort
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that our country has had underway for about a dozen years to
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surveil foreign wire transfer traffic. (We've got people coming
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out of the woodwork now from the early Reagan years who were
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directly involved in this program; people from the National
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Security Council who helped set it up, and it's still ongoing.)
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What that led to, quite inadvertantly, was a connection to the
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Vince Foster case -- which a number of journalists have continued
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to follow. Because there's just so many unresolved issues.
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There's so many questions about the circumstances of Foster's
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death.
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Here's what we found out: at the time of his death, in July
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1993, Vince Foster, who was a Deputy White House Counsel in the
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Clinton administration, was under some kind of investigation,
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surveillance, in connection with a counterintelligence
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investigation. He was suspected of selling secrets to a foreign
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government. What we were able to determine was, he had been tied
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in for many years on the periphery of this bank spying effort by
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our National Security Agency. He had been, for many years,
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connected as sort of a behind-the-scenes go-between, between the
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National Security Agency and a company in Little Rock, Arkansas
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-- a rather curious, secretive, bank data processing company
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called Systematics. (It's now changed its name to AllTel.
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They're a wholly-owned subsidiary of AllTel Corporation, the
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telephone utility in Arkansas.)
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But Foster, while he was at the Rose Law Firm, was in effect a
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sort of "handler" for that company. And that would conceivably
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have given him access to various sensitive kinds of computer code
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secrets, encryption stuff, [and] other insight into intelligence
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activities by our government.
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The way that Foster came under suspicion, according to sources
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that I've dealt with, was that he himself had a Swiss bank
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account [at] a former affiliate of the Banca Ambrosiana.
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(The Banca Ambrosiana had been a key target of "computer spooks"
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of our intelligence community who were very curious about the
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activities of that bank. It was closely tied to the Vatican Bank
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and was suspected of money laundering and other illicit money
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activities. In fact, when it collapsed there was a great cloud
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of secrecy about it. The head of the bank was found hanging from
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Blackfriars Bridge in London. The whole thing was surrounded
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with intrigue.)
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Apparently, from surveilling accounts within the bank, by
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"hacking" their way into that bank, they had come across many,
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many, many accounts: coded, numbered, off-shore accounts,
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belonging to hundreds of high-level government officials -- U.S.
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government officials, and other governments.
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And Foster was one of these people who they came across. He was
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suspected of selling secrets to the state of Israel because of
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the $2.73 million that was apparently in this account.
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Again: using this wire transfer tracking technology that our
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government had developed, they had been able to track the money,
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apparently, back to Israeli sources. And that was what was the
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beginning of this counterintelligence investigation.
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To sell state secrets on the side: that's called "espionage".
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And that's what we're talking about here, in terms of the nature
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of the investigation.
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We were able to determine that there were various entities of the
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government, various intelligence agencies, that were taking part
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in this surveillance.
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One of the key sources on this -- which we were able to
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corroborate various things he said with anywhere from half a
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dozen, to a dozen, to a couple of dozen sources -- is a fellow
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who is a retired CIA contractor by the name of Charles Hayes. He
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lives in Kentucky now. He is part of a small group of retired
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intelligence community guys who were associated with something
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that was called "Division D" -- which is actually mentioned in
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Bob Woodward's book, *Veil*. This group's job, in the
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government, had been to break into foreign computer systems,
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either physically or electronically.
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They [now] have access to what are called "back door", coded
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entryways into the software used in many foreign banks. Which
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allows them to circumvent the normal security systems around bank
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databanks. Which has allowed them, apparently, to surveil these
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foreign banks.
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GARY NULL:
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We're not gonna have time to finish this today. I want you to
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come back on the show tomorrow, so we can do a "part 2".
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I want our audience to know that this is just the *beginning* of
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his story. There are a lot of "cast of characters", including
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Hillary Clinton. And it's strong stuff. It seems almost
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impossible, but the documentation is there for a lot of this.
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I'm Gary Null. And if you'd like a copy of this show, just call
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212-799-1246 and ask for the program with James Norman. We'll be
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back tomorrow.
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If you would like to know more about this explosive story, CN
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recommends the Orlin Grabbe material, currently archived at
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ftp.shout.net in subdirectory pub/users/bigred/og -- or use the
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http address, http://www.europa.com/~johnlf/cn.html to read it.
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