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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 19
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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BOSNIA: HOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND MEDIA
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HAVE FAILED AND MISLED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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Special thanks to my "Chicago connection" for sending a videotape
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of a public access program, "Broadsides", which was taped on June
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6, 1995. Host is Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
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to Clean Up the Courts; co-host is Mr. Robert E. Cleveland, an
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attorney and associate of Mr. Skolnick. Guests are James Nagle,
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an attorney with the law firm of Querry & Harrow, Andrew B.
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Spiegel, also an attorney, and Mike Pavlovic, a Serbian-American.
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Pardon spelling errors. If you know the correct spellings, please
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let me know.
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Contact info: Andrew B. Spiegel, PO Box 396, Wheaton, IL 60187
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[...continued...]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
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By the way, some conspiracy theorists have published stories in
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smaller magazines that Scowcroft, Eagleburger, and Kissinger (all
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connected with Kissinger Associates; they're believed by some to
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be an evil cabal), that they suddenly toppled the economic system
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in Yugoslavia and that led to all this fighting. Do any of you
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believe that there's some sort of validity to that kind of
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conspiracy theory, whatever it is? In other words, that something
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touched off this situation? What about that, Mike?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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It's very hard to answer that question. The death of Tito, maybe.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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But what about this theory that some American meddler, like
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Kissinger, that he meddled in some way with their banking system,
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toppled their banking system? Is that possible, that the toppling
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of their banking system and then their currency going to pot led
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to this situation where everybody over there wants to kill each
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other?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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That's only speculation. I think it's much simpler than that. I
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think Germany, obviously when it reunified in 1991, wanted to
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have more influence in southern Europe. The easiest way to do
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this would be to have their own country down there -- which was
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Croatia. What happened, though, is people just didn't think
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(including the State Department in the United States; At that
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time, James Baker was Secretary of State.) as to how the Serbs
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would react -- the Serbs *living* in Croatia, the Serbs *living*
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in Bosnia -- once these countries effected to go through...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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The way you describe it, 50 years after the Second World War
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there's a sinister undertone. It means that the Nazis are still
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there. It's as if, "Hey. Croatia was with us in the Second World
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War, with the Ustashe. They're still with us."
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Sherman, when Croatia became a so-called "independent country" it
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adopted the same names and the same national symbols that it used
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when it was a fascist republic years ago.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Really!? So on the screen here we should have shown what? The
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Nazi flag of 50 years ago?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Well they definitely use the Iron Cross.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Well the Iron Cross... The Iron Guard was, in some published
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accounts, more brutal. There's one published account that -- it
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was terrible. I don't know. I suppose it's true: where they
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plucked out people's eyeballs and put 'em in big pails and
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carried 'em through the streets. What about that?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Before I get to that, there's one point that should be made here.
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There are credible accounts that President Ysabegovich(sp?), the
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current leader of Bosnia, was a member of the Hanta(sp?) Brigade
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in World War II (which was a fascist youth troop).
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So they haven't all died. They're still around.
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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He's the leader of Bosnia now!
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Really!?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Yeah.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So in other words...
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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One of the so-called "good guys".
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JAMES NAGLE:
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And I think the most ironic part of that story was that, this
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year [1995], with the 50th celebration of victory in Europe...
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And Ysabegovich was invited back to the ceremony.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Let me get this straight. So in their heart of hearts, in their
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inner sanctum, they might buy onto some Hitler image, some Iron
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Cross image, some Swastika? Is that credible?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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I don't know if that's credible. I think that this is the group
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that he belonged in. It was the same situation with Kurt
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Waldheim...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Well if they were 20 years old at that time, they're not all
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dead! They're still walking around. And in their heart of hearts
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and their inner sanctum, they *might* conceive this Swastika and
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the Iron Cross and the Ustashe. Some people believe that the
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Ustashe idea exists today. Other people, in dark tones, say,
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"Ustashe? There's a place in south Chicago where they still hang
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out!" Is that all believable, Mike?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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They have an organization...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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They do!?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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I repeat: there's good people, there's bad people -- everywhere.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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But in the Chicago area there's, some people believe, Ustashe;
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sort of remainders of the Hitler types?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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In Croatia, too. They have special troops that they call
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"Ustashe".
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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I tell you why I raise that question. Because in the '80s (some
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people have forgotten), in the vicinity of 98th and Commercial
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(which is south Chicago), there was bombings between Croatian and
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certain factions. And there was quite a bit of commotion at the
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time. And there was this undertone that this is the leftover from
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Ustashe. Most people have forgotten about it.
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So in other words, there's still sort of a Hitler theme, 50 years
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after the war?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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I think that, for the most part, people all over the world are
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the same: they want to raise their kids with a roof over their
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head, and be able to walk to school without being killed. That
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was the general tone of the people we met when we were over in
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the Republic of Srpska. And I think that, for the most part,
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they're no different from many Americans here. They want peace.
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They've lived there for thousands of years. I still think we're
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getting carried away when we start...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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But you came back here... You were on a peace mission, the three
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of you. And at your own time and expense you went over there,
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promoting "declaration of independence" and a constitution that
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might have brought peace there. Why do all these talk shows, that
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have got all this time -- why is it that none of them put you on
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to discuss this at length!? We're apparently the first ones that
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are putting you on to explain what has happened here! How do you
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explain that?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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You're the number one talk show in Chicago, Sherman. [laughter]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Oh, I don't know about that. They've got all these other
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commercial windbags on.
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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Let's get back to something you were talking about. Because on
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national television the last several days, there have been any
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number of senators and congressmen asking, "Why? What is our
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interest in this area?"
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Munitions! Armaments!
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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That hasn't been said. Is that unfair to say that?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Well it's not in our interest so far, because the United States
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(at least on the record) has not been supplying arms to anyone in
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that conflict.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Would the three of you go back, on your own nickel, and try
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again? You're not so discouraged at this point that you wouldn't
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go a second time?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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I'd be more than happy to go back. And again, keeping in mind
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that this is being taped on June 6th [1995], the word that we
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have from Pale is that President Karadzic is right now willing to
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release *all* the remaining U.N. soldiers, providing they sit
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down with him and discuss the peace treaty that he wants to
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negotiate and that they don't bomb him. Is that too much to ask?
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What is the slant in the media about these hostages?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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The media seems more concerned about the taking of the U.N.
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soldiers, who are not being harmed by the Serbs, than they are by
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the four thousand Serb civilians who were massacred by the
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Croatian army! Why weren't NATO air strikes called on the
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Croatian positions?
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[...to be continued...]
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