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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 17
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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BOSNIA: HOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND MEDIA
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HAVE FAILED AND MISLED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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Special thanks to my "Chicago connection" for sending a videotape
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of a public access program, "Broadsides", which was taped on June
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6, 1995. Host is Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
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to Clean Up the Courts; co-host is Mr. Robert E. Cleveland, an
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attorney and associate of Mr. Skolnick. Guests are James Nagle,
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an attorney with the law firm of Querry & Harrow, Andrew B.
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Spiegel, also an attorney, and Mike Pavlovic, a Serbian-American.
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Pardon spelling errors. If you know the correct spellings, please
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let me know.
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Contact info: Andrew B. Spiegel, PO Box 396, Wheaton, IL 60187
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[...continued...]
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ANDREW SPIEGEL [continues]:
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What's happening now [June 1995] is, the U.N. wants to divide up
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Bosnia, to separate Bosnia. To give the Serbs a portion of the
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country, the Bosnians a portion of the country...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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On what legal basis? You're an expert in International Law. On
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what basis is the U.N... I mean, did they pass something in the
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General Assembly or the Security Council?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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They've passed numerous resolutions in the Security Council.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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In other words, dividing up somebody else's sovereignty. It would
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be like the United Nations saying, "You know something? Come to
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think of it, Indiana should merge with Illinois." I mean, what
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right would the United Nations have to tell these people what
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they should merge and un-merge?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Well, they're trying to broker a peace. And the fact of the
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matter now is that the Republic of Srpska controls 70 percent of
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the territory of Bosnia. They control 70 percent not because they
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invaded or they occupied it, but because the Serbs were farmers
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and owned most of the land. The Muslims worked in the cities. So
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they didn't *own* big tracts of land.
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The Zepa area: the news media has told us that that was
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"ethnically cleansed" -- that it was a *city* that was
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"ethnically cleansed" by the Serb army. 40,000 Muslims, the news
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media tell us...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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And that's a lie? That's a lie they're telling us?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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That's a lie: that 40,000 Muslims were forced out of the city of
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Zepa. We went to the front lines. We saw Zepa. And it's not a
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city, it's not even what they call a town. It's a tiny village.
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The Zepa *area*: there are 4 or 5 Muslim villages. The total
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Muslim population there, in those villages, today, is
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approximately 6 thousand. And they're still living there!
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Mike, from your standpoint, what has the American media and the
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American State Department done in failing the American people?
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(Some of us go even one step further and say they have *lied* to
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the American people.) But what is it that has happened?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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The biggest problem that we have with media in America and
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American government: that they involve over there and they don't
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want to solve the problem. *I* believe myself that we can solve
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the problem without killing. Every day: killing and killing and
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killing. We can stop this. And because of *that* reason, America
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should negotiate. Sit around table with President Karadzic and we
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come to some solution. I know one thing: when we want to make
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some deal, we negotiate. And negotiate and negotiate.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Does *our* President Clinton want peace over there? Or let me put
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it as a cynical question: do they need a war there to divert from
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domestic problems? (Of which we can spend the whole hour talking
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about *that*: Whitewater and the whole list, all the way to the
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bottom.)
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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I don't think that they need that.
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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President Karadzic faxed this peace offer to President Clinton
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April 22nd. There was no response. *I* faxed it to President
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Clinton again on May 25th. There was no response. Jim talked to
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the man at the Bosnia desk of the State Department -- when was
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that? May 25th?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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This was the Friday before Memorial Day weekend. The news stories
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were just coming back that the Serbs in Bosnia were holding U.N.
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hostages. And I asked him if he was aware of the letter from
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President Karadzic proposing a permanent peace. And I don't want
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to say I was stonewalled, but the impression that *I* was left
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with was that this individual was more in touch with getting home
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for a picnic than he was with...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So in other words, the State Department and the White House did
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not treat you like "semi-diplomats", like a "Jimmy Carter type"
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that'd make peace over there. In other words, your peace mission
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was not encouraged?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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Obviously Jimmy Carter is a former president of the United
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States. We're just private citizens, going over there on our own
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time, on our own dime, without being paid, to try to offer a
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solution that hasn't been brought forth before to bring peace to
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the area.
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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Let me ask a question that puzzles me: you helped President
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Karadzic write this letter of April 22nd wherein he tells
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President Clinton he wants peace. Is that right?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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Right.
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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And it was sent on that same day to President Clinton.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Which was a bad day. I'll tell you why. But go ahead.
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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Well, aside from that. Now you must know that, in my opinion,
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there isn't anything that goes on in this country that the CIA or
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some intelligence organization in this country knows about. And
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if you were over there and you met with the president of this
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country and he wrote such a letter -- did they ever ask you when
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you came back about anything? Like a de-briefing or what happened
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over there?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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No, we weren't ever de-briefed. And obviously, we met with the
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president [of Srpska], we met with his cabinet, we met with the
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leaders of the military. We sat down. We ate with these people.
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We talked with them. And, if nothing else, I would at least
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expect *someone* from the State Department to at least sit down
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with us, to pick our brains to find out what these people were
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like.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What's your explanation why there was no de-briefing? Nobody,
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when you came back, asked you "what" or "when"?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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Not only did they not ask us...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Did you make some effort to contact these people?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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We made a substantial amount of effort. In fact...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What? You wrote or faxed the State Department and the White
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House?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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Yeah. In fact, we faxed our complete story of our delegation to
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Dave Merrick(sp?) of ABC News. (He's the Nightline reporter that
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covers Bosnia.) We faxed it to his home and to his office.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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And what happened?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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No response.
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We faxed it to CNN Live. No response.
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We faxed it to WBBM: News Radio 78, Chicago. No response.
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We faxed it to the Chicago Tribune, the reporter that wrote one
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of the stories that was just in the paper about the Bosnian
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crisis. No response.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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The only one that wrote about it was the suburban paper, the
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Daily Herald. Right?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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The Daily Herald has covered it. The Palatine Countryside has
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covered it. The Glen Ellyn News has covered it. The Quincy
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Herald-Whig...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What explanation have you formed, from trying to deal with them:
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faxing them, talking with them? What is your opinion as to why
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they gave you the cold shoulder?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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My opinion is this: people at the State Department say Karadzic
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has lied so many times before that we can't trust him. And my
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response to that is, before we commit 25 thousand, 50 thousand
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eighteen to nineteen-year-old boys over there, I think we owe it
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to them and their families to at least go over there and address
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the letter where he's discussing peace.
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In terms of Karadzic "lying" to these people: I think that the
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U.S. and other countries are under the mistaken impression that
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Karadzic is a dictator. I think the U.S. government has dealt
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with him and expected that he has the final say in everything.
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But what they don't, maybe, not realize is that Karadzic has a
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parliament, he has a vice-president, and that he does not have
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the final say.
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[...to be continued...]
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