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The following is in response to Doug Scott's file/message called INTLWRN.ZIP.
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- Cliff Watkins -
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<DOUG>
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! Hi I run a PCBoard BBS in Indianapolis, and have been running BBS's for
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! 10 years now. I have one of the origional PCBoard serial numbers, my BBS
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! is of good size "18 public nodes, 4 gigs, and around 900 conferences". I
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! do know what I am doing. This is not an ad for my BBS, so I will not leave
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! a phone number.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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Well... most of us know who this guy is... For those who do not,
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this is Doug Scott of Data Central BBS in Indiana. I will respond
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to each of his (marked with the !'s) very ludicrous statements with
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my own rebutals. Those who know me, I'm confident, know that what is
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being spewed forth by this inividual is pure balderdash. Those who
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do not are more than welcome to call any of our member boards and
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view for themselves the response that Doug's babyish behavior is
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bound to generate. Anyway, on to the rebutals.
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<DOUG>
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! After careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that I should
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! warn everyone about Intelec and Cliff Whatkins. I have had numerous
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! problems with his flagrant authority and the way he runs his network.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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Flagrant authority? Well... this is one point that only the members
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of Intelec can refute. Anyone is more than welcome to view what goes
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on in our 100% open/public NetAdmin conference.
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<DOUG>
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! I joined his network because he said it was a lot less hassels than RIME.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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I said no such thing to him or anyone to 'get them to join'. Intelec
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has been known for it's quality and that is all I ever stress to
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anyone. This is an obvious attempt by Doug to stir things up between
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RIME and our network. So, am I calling this man a liar? Do systems
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like to crash when you're not home?
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<DOUG>
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! I was not allowed to get mail for over 2 months because I had an
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! incorrect tag line.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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OK, he loves to exaggerate too... His mail was held up for 8 days,
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not two months, and it was not just the fact that he had an incorrect
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tagline. I sent him 3 messages in our NetAdmin conference to correct
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the duplicates problems he was having, as well as the wrong tagline
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which he had for months... Why did I not see the tag problem sooner?
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Well, for an 18 node system his board had contributed less than 7
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messages a week on average. So I never saw it until the time I had
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initiated my *many* messages to him to correct it. The reason he was
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held up for 8 days was *his* failure to upload his Rnet configuration
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file to me. I require this now, as is common practice of several of
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our hubs, to look over a config file prior to starting relays. It's
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a practice that I recommend to most any QWK hubs out there.
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<DOUG>
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! I sat here calling him at least 24 times, and he was never in.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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Let's play the Doug's Exxageration game... I must have left him a
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gazillion different messages at his store, about the problems, and he
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never got any of them... Anyway, he did call me about 3 times 'during
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the day' while I was away at work, so sure, I wasn't home. But he was
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never at the store, where he said he would be... *Once* he called on a
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Saturday afternoon, and even though our local laws forbid me to leave
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the house, I did anyway, I'm sorry Doug, I was out on a Saturday...
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<DOUG>
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! Finally I got him to look at my config file and let me back on.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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He finally sent it to me, so yes, I did let him back in. I should
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have seen the writing on the wall then, but....
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<DOUG>
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! 2. I was notified about 4 weeks ago that he had too many sysops getting
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! mail from his system. I was told bluntly to call another system
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! of his choosing to get the mail.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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And he was not singled out, he was one of several hubs, calling in
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direct to the host system, that was asked to switch over to another
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regional for failure to relay on a daily basis. No regional anywhere
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can get away with relaying 3 times a week. NODES relay more than he
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did.
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<DOUG>
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! I told him it would take me a little while to reconfigure rnet for
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! another bbs system. The next day I no longer had access to get onto
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! Cliffs BBS.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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Do I have to say it? Nah... He told me it would take him a couple
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of days to make the transition and I said fine. He dragged an Rnet
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config change out for two weeks. Did I remove his BBS access? No...
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I did however remove his Net Status after failing to switch in that
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2 week period. Did I go too far? I don't think so... I was not about
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to run up my daytime phone bill *more* trying to get in touch with
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him *again* for something he should have completed two weeks before.
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<DOUG>
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! The guy he gave me to does not have the same mail door, nor does
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! he have the conferences numbered the same.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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He *did* when Doug (finally) switched there but *DOUG* opted to use
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Qmail instead of the MarkMail like he used on my board. His hub then
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proceeded to take down the MarkMail door when no more net hubs or
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nodes were using it. Let's see, how much further this guy can sink
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in the mud...
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<DOUG>
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! I was notified by the new guy that his system is so busy "SMALL
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! 2 LINES" that I need a time slot to call in to get the mail.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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Bigger is better? Not in his case, not by a longshot, as evident from
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his ineptness and inability to get a simple config right... With the
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exception of some top notch operations like Channel 1, Exec-Net and
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Rose Media, I've rarely seen a large BBS system that can handle
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configs as well as smaller systems. Doug's setup is this rule, not
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the exception. Does he think I should give preference to him at 18
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nodes than Dave at 2? (Which he had the audacity to actually ask).
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And... is a 'timeslot' for mail runs so utterly unheard of? Come on
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Doug, buck up and stop being a whiny little baby!
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<DOUG>
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! He also does not carry all of the conferences that I picked up from
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! Cliff Watkins at Intelec. I just recieved a message from the sysop
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! of the new system that he talked to Cliff and Cliff said "TOUGH".
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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The following is the actual messaging between Doug and his Regional.
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Date: 07-22-91 (02:42) Number: 6224 of 6677
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To: DOUG SCOTT Refer#: NONE
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From: DAVE CALMER Read: 07-23-91 (06:36)
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Doug,
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I have two time slots open right now just before my Intelec run, you can
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take your choice between the 1:45-2:00am slot or the 2:15 to 2:30am
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slot (central time). Just let me know which works out best for you
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(please, I need to assign the slot you won't be using to another node
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<g>). Here's the way we work it here for now, I have all nodes scheduled
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for a 15 minute window, these scheduled times run between 1:00 am and
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5:30 am Central time. You're free to play "hit and miss" anytime before
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1:00 am or after 5:30 am. My nightly run to Intelec is sheduled at 3:00
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am, it's also the time I do all of my other network transfers so the
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board is down until 4:00 am.
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I'll try and get the Vnet conferences reinstalled sometime this week if
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time permits. This is a very busy part of the year for me with a couple
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of other projects so it may take me a few days to get it all in place,
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I'll drop you a note in Net Admin as soon as they're all set.
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---
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<20> RoseReader 1.50<EFBFBD>: Press <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL> to continue ...
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Date: 07-28-91 (02:30) Number: 6554 of 6677
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To: DOUG SCOTT Refer#: NONE
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From: DAVE CALMER Read: 07-29-91 (19:25) HAS REPLIES
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Doug,
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After some careful thought and research on the subject I have decided
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*NOT* to add any of the Vnet conferences at this time. These conferences
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have been tried here before and there simply wasn't any use of them,
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since they are not Intelec conferences as such, even as a hub I have no
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obligation to carry them. The main reason for this decision is cost, I
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simply can't afford to increase my phone bill just for a single system
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to carry the conferences. I have talked this over with Cliff and it does
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have his approval. I'm sorry, perhaps in the future I will be able to
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provide these conferences for you, at the present time it is just not
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possible. I hope you understand.
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---
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<20> RoseReader 1.50<EFBFBD>: If you can't make it good, make it big. (Then PKLITE it!)
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Date: 07-29-91 (21:37) Number: 6648 of 6677
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To: DOUG SCOTT Refer#: 6643
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From: DAVE CALMER Read: NO
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-> I understand. Thanks. BTW I do not have a time slot yet.
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I posted that last week <g>. Anyway, take your choice between the 1:45
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to 2:00 am or 2:15 to 2:30 slots (Central Time). Let me know which one
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you'll use, I'll need to assign the other later in the week.
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<DOUG>
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! If you are thinking about joining Intelec, then think twice! This is
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! what I just went through and thought that I should warn everyone.
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<CLIFF'S REBUTAL>
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I let the above actual messages and rebutals speak for themselves and
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I thank you for taking the time to read this 'stuff'.
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Sincerely,
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Cliff Watkins
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Intelec Network Coordinator
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