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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 34 21 Aug 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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What's Not Happening - Policy Ratification ............... 1
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2. COLUMNS .................................................. 3
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Ol'WDB: Instructions for Life ............................ 3
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3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 5
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Year 2000 Signs .......................................... 5
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The Princess and the Queen ............................... 6
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4. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 7
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Fidonet-related sites .................................... 7
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5. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 11
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Masthead ................................................. 11
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 1 21 Aug 2000
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EDITORIAL
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.-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --.
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| There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but |
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| there's always something which isn't happening. This |
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| column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido |
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| what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... |
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`-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --'
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Policy Ratification
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Doug Myers
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Regular readers of the FN_SYSOP echo can attest to the fact that the
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biggest non-event shaping up in Fidonet this year is any type of
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action relating to Policy.
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In one thread, David Moufarrege's proposed Policy revision was cited
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as current policy, though the author was quickly informed that the
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"new" policy was, indeed, a proposal. However, in that discussion,
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Ward Dossche, the Zone 2 Coordinator, revealed that he hadn't
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previously seen the proposal nor had he seen the debate in the Zone
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1 echoes. Since any policy change would require a majority vote of
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ALL Regional Coordinators... and since the issue doesn't even seem
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to be rambling about outside Zone 1... and since the discussion in
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Zone 1 on that particular version has already died... don't expect a
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Policy revision any time soon.
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In another thread, the question of whether the International
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Coordinator must be a sitting Zone Coordinator is argued. One
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section of Policy states that the International Coordinator is the
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"First among equals" among the Zone Coordinators, while another
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section of Policy states that Coordinators at any level should
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minimize the number of hats worn. So we seem to have one
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implication that the IC should be a sitting ZC, but another
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implication that the IC should resign as ZC upon his selection.
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Given that the call for a new IC earlier this year couldn't even
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draw a response from all the ZC's (let alone the IC), don't expect
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either a change of IC's soon, nor a resolution of P4's apparent
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conflict on the question of whether an IC must be a sitting ZC.
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And yet another thread rages, centered on Darrell Salter's
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longstanding assertion that Policy 4 is not legitimate because it
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was never ratified by the Sysops of Fidonet. The solution to this
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would be obvious, it might seem: put the question to the Sysops and
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see what they say. However, two complications arise...
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1. Darrell isn't interested in putting the question forward since
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he's chosen to simply ignore policy.
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2. Those who disagree with him aren't interested in putting the
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question forward since Policy 4 itself says it isn't necessary...
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ratification is clearly placed in the hands of the Regional
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Coordinators.
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If Policy is defined as that document that proclaims itself to be
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 2 21 Aug 2000
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Policy (P4), then don't expect any action soon.
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If, however, Policy is defined as that which is actually practiced
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rather than that which is documented... then the policy seems to be
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one of no particular action. Same result :)
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 3 21 Aug 2000
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COLUMNS
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Ol'WDB
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I N S T R U C T I O N S F O R L I F E
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1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve
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great risk.
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2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
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3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and
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Responsibility for all your actions.
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4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful
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stroke of luck.
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5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
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6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.
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7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to
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correct it.
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8. Spend some time alone every day.
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9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
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10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
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11. Live a good, honourable life. Then when you get older and think
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back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
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12. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current
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situation. Don't bring up the past.
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14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
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15. Be gentle with the earth.
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16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
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17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love
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for each other exceeds your need for each other.
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18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get
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it.
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19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.
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20. Forgive trust transgretions, they are not of the utmost
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importance to anyone except you.
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 4 21 Aug 2000
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 5 21 Aug 2000
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NET HUMOR
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Signs that you live in the year 2000:
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1. You just tried to enter your password on the microwave.
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2. You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family of
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three.
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3. You call your son's beeper to let him know it's time to eat. He
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emails you back from his bedroom, "What's for dinner?"
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4. Your daughter sells Girl Scout Cookies via her web site.
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5. You chat several times a day with a stranger from South Africa,
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but you haven't spoken with your next door neighbor yet this
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year.
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6. You check the ingredients on a can of chicken noodle soup to see
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if it contains Echinacea.
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7. You check your blow-dryer to see if it's Y2K compliant.
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8. Your grandmother clogs up your e-mail inbox asking you to send
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her a JPEG file of your newborn so she can create a screen
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saver.
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9. You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone to see
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if anyone is home.
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10. Every commercial on television has a web-site address at the
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bottom of the screen.
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11. You buy a computer and a week later it is out of date and now
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sells for half the price you paid.
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12. The concept of using real money, instead of credit or debit, to
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make a purchase is foreign to you.
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13. Cleaning up the dining room means getting the fast food bags
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out of the back seat of your car.
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14. Your reason for not staying in touch with family is that they
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do not have e-mail addresses.
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15. You consider second-day air delivery painfully slow.
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16. Your dining room table is now your flat filing cabinet.
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17. Your idea of being organized is multiple-colored Post-it notes.
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18. You hear most of your jokes via e-mail instead of in person.
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 6 21 Aug 2000
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19. You get an extra phone line so you can get phone calls.
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20. You turn off your Modem and get this awful feeling, as if you
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just pulled the plug on a loved one.
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21. You get up in morning and go online before getting your coffee.
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22. You wake up at 2am to go to the bathroom and check your E-mail
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on your way back to bed.
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23.You start tilting your head sideways to smile. :)
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24. You're reading this.
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25. Even worse; you're going to forward it to someone else.
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The Princess and the Queen
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Thanks to Roy Reed
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The plane's cabin was being served by an obviously gay flight
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attendant who was just as obviously enjoying himself. He came
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swishing down the aisle and announced to the passengers, "Captain
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Marvey has asked me to announce that he'll be landing this big,
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scary plane shortly, lovely people, so if you could just put up your
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trays, that would be super."
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On his trip back up the aisle, he noticed that a woman hadn't moved
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a muscle. "Perhaps you didn't hear me over those big brute engines.
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I asked you to raise your trazy-poo so the main man can pitty-pat us
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on the ground."
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She calmly turned her head and said, "In my country, I am called a
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princess. I take orders from no one".
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The flight attendant replied, without missing a beat, "Well,
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sweet-cheeks, in my country, I'm called a queen, so I outrank you.
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Put the tray up, bitch!"
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 7 21 Aug 2000
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INTERNET INFO
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
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| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
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Last update: July 16, 2000
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FidoNet
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Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
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Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
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SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
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FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
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General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.r10.org
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http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
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Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
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Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
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Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
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Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
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Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 15: <vacant>
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Region 16: <vacant>
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
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Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
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http://texoma.net/~flv
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Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
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Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 8 21 Aug 2000
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
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?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
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Region 90:
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
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(Chinese)
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
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a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
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address. The email is translated as follows
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firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
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appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
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also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
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would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.
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Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
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latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
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time between when the message is received, and when it is
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sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
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defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
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immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
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v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
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| email address or
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 9 21 Aug 2000
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
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Zone 1 | | | |
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10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
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10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
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12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
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103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
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103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
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103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
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105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
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105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
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106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
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106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
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107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
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140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
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167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
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211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
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218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
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244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
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246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
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280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
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395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
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396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
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396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
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2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
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2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
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2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
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3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
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3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
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3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
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3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
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20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
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203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
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221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
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236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
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292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
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292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
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292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
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301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
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332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
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335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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FIDONEWS 17-34 Page 10 21 Aug 2000
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423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
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465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
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469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
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2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
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2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
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2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
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633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
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640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
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774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
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905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
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902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
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* NFS = Linux Networking
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Fidonet oriented news servers
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news.osirusoft.com
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news.tardis.net
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room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
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irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)
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