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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 25 19 Jun 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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International Coordinator Election Proposed .............. 1
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Interview with Ward Dossche .............................. 1
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What Does P4 Say About the IC ............................ 2
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IC Election - Opinion .................................... 4
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 7
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What's the Big Deal? ..................................... 7
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3. COLUMNS .................................................. 8
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Ol'WDB: Kids Say the Funniest Things .................... 8
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This week's Web Page ..................................... 8
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4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10
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Van Gogh Family Tree ..................................... 10
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5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 11
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Cowtapult ................................................ 11
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6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 12
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Fidonet-related sites .................................... 12
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7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 16
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Masthead ................................................. 16
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EDITORIAL
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International Coordinator Election Proposed
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Doug Myers
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In the echo ZCC, Zone 4 Coordinator Luis Manterola and Zone 2
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Coordinator Ward Dossche have proposed the Zone Coordinators hold an
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election for International Coordinator - noting that such an
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election should be held every two years. To date, only Ward Dossche
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has been nominated for candidacy. Bob Satti, the current
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International Coordinator, has not commented on the election
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proposal, nor indicated whether he will seek to continue in office.
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At this point, neither Luis nor Ward support Bob as an active
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candidate because he is not a current Zone Coordinator. Other Zone
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Coordinators have not indicated support of the election yet, though
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David Moufarrege (Z1C) is discussing the matter with his regions,
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and Malcolm Miles (Z6C) has asked Ward for positive reasons why he
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should replace Bob Satti as IC. Richard Pee (Z5C) and Chris Leung
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(Z6C) have not responded to the election proposal at this point.
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Though the echo ZCC is unavailable unless one happens to be a Zone
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Coordinator, messages from this echo are posted to the echo
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ZCC_PUBLIC which is available from most major mail hubs.
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Interview with Ward Dossche
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Doug Myers
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I've taken license (perhaps undue license) in presenting the
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following dialog as an interview. Truth is, no actual interview was
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conducted. What did happen is that Ward granted me the courtesy of
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a phone call in response to a questionnaire I'd sent to him, Carol
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Shankenberger, Bob Satti, and David Moufarrege concerning the IC
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election. I was watching an old movie about the Lewis and Clark
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Expeditions at the time, so my only preparation was to shut off the
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television and pay attention. I didn't take notes, nor discuss with
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Ward that I would convert the friendly discussion into the following
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interview format. I did tell him that I wanted to present the
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information on the IC election proposal in Fidonews, so I don't
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believe that I'm violating his trust here - I just want the readers
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to know that the dialog reported is just my subjective impression of
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what was said. I've attempted to keep my own opinions out of this
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report, concentrating instead on the essence of the conversation.
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DM: Is there an election taking place for International
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Coordinator?
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WD: To be precise, we've proposed an election and no one has
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opposed it yet. Not all of the Zone Coordinators have given input
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 2 19 Jun 2000
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yet, though. In particular, we're not even sure if the Zone 5 and
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Zone 6 Coordinators know of the proposal yet.
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DM: Are you planning to oppose Bob Satti in this election?
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WD: I ran against Bob Satti in the last election, and have taken
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issue with him in the past. But Satti's past performance isn't
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really an issue currently - we just feel that a new election should
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be held each two years.
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DM: Are you a candidate? And are there any others?
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WD: I've been nominated as the only candidate so far. I'd hoped to
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sit this election out and persuade Luis (Z4C) to run instead, but he
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feels that his candidacy wouldn't be appropriate due to the small
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number of nodes in Zone 4. I'd considered not running for another
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term as Zone 2 Coordinator (it takes me about three hours a day),
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but agreed to run again when asked. A few of us had questioned
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whether an International Coordinator was even needed - we ran for a
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few years without one between George Peace and Bob Satti - but we
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still think the Policy 4 revision is possible if an IC is in place
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to lead the effort. Fidonet really needs a revised Policy - it
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doesn't suit Zone 1 any more, and it never served the multi-cultural
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climate of Zone 2.
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DM: Is the Zone 2 Coordinator election still in progress?
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WD: Yes. It's going more slowly than I would have liked, but it's
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being handled properly - and I shouldn't get involved with
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administering the election anyway since I'm a candidate. At the
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moment, there are two of us running - there was a third candidate,
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but he dropped out for personal reasons.
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What Does P4 Say About the IC
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Doug Myers
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Fidonet Policy 4.07 basically stipulates that the International
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Coordinator is selected by the six Zone Coordinators. Despite the
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seeming simplicity of that concept, though, numerous questions have
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been raised, such as:
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What, exactly, is expected of an International Coordinator?
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Can a sitting IC be replaced if he doesn't step down?
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Must the International Coordinator be a Zone Coordinator?
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How, exactly, do the Zone Coordinators select an IC if all Zone
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Coordinators don't give input?
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Before these and other questions are addressed in this series, the
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following relevant sections of Policy 4.07 are presented here:
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 3 19 Jun 2000
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1.2.6 Zone Coordinator Council
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In certain cases, the Zone Coordinators work as a council to provide
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advice to the International Coordinator. The arrangement is similar
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to that between a president and advisors. In particular, this
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council considers inter-zonal issues. This includes, but is not
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limited to: working out the details of nodelist production,
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mediating inter-zonal disputes, and such issues not addressed at a
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lower level of FidoNet.
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1.2.7 International Coordinator
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The International Coordinator is the "first among equals" Zone
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Coordinator, and coordinates the joint production of the master
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nodelist by the Zone Coordinators.
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The International Coordinator acts as the chair of the Zone
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Coordinator Council and as the overseer of elections -- arranging
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the announcement of referenda, the collection and counting of the
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ballots, and announcing the results for those issues that affect
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FidoNet as a whole.
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The International Coordinator is selected by the Zone Coordinators.
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1.2.8 Top-down Organization. Checks and Balances.
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These levels act to distribute the administration and control of
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FidoNet to the lowest possible level, while still allowing for
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coordinated action over the entire mail system. Administration is
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made possible by operating in a top-down manner. That is, a person
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at any given level is responsible to the level above, and
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responsible for the level below.
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For example, a Regional Coordinator is responsible to the Zone
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Coordinator for anything that happens in the region. From the point
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of view of the Zone Coordinator, the Regional Coordinator is
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completely responsible for the smooth operation of the region.
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Likewise, from the point of view of the Regional Coordinator, the
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Network Coordinator is completely responsible for the smooth
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operation of the network.
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If a person at any level above sysop is unable to properly perform
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their duties, the person at the next level may replace them. For
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example, if a Regional Coordinator fails to perform, the Zone
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Coordinator can replace him.
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To provide for checks and balances at the highest level of FidoNet,
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there are two exceptions to this top-down organization. Zone
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Coordinators and the International Coordinator are selected by a
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majority vote of the coordinators at the level below. Similarly,
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decisions made by the International Coordinator can be reversed by
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the Zone Coordinator Council, and decisions made by a Zone
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Coordinator can be reversed by the Regional Coordinators. See
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sections 6 and 7 for details. Decisions made by other coordinators
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 4 19 Jun 2000
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are not subject to reversal by a vote of the lower level, but
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instead are subject to the appeal process described in section 9.5.
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IC Election - Opinion
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Doug Myers
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In the preceding three sections of this editorial series, I've
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attempted to act more as a reporter than to present editorial
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opinion. This part is a little different, though, in that it
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addresses some of the issues surrounding this and past elections.
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1. What, exactly, is expected of an International Coordinator?
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Policy 4 specifically lists two duties: nodelist production and
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mediating interzonal disputes. A third item on the list, though not
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specific, could be construed as a catch all: "... and such issues
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not addressed at a lower level of Fidonet."
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If only the specific duties above were being considered, Bob Satti
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would probably be remembered as the perfect IC. Certainly his
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handling of nodelist production has been virtually flawless. And,
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though I'm not in a position to judge how he's handled interzonal
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disputes, the lack of controversy over them leads me to the
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conclusion that he's either handled them well or that such disputes
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are so infrequent as to render judgement academic.
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It's the catch all, however, which could prove Bob's undoing. He's
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been criticized in the past for the shrinking nodelist, though it's
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uncertain to this editor's mind whether ANYONE could have influenced
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that (it seems more of a function of the growing popularity of the
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internet than anyone's personal failure to me). It seems that no
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one else is named in P4 for maintaining Fido's numbers, so the
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expectation, fairly or unfairly, falls to the IC.
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More specific to this election is the growing expectation that the
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IC should initiate policy reform. Though, again, this is not
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specifically enumerated in policy - it seems like a reasonable
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expectation to me. This is not to say that I consider P4 revision
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to be easy, nor even necessarily likely... but if it is to be
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changed, it's hard to see how it's even possible without leadership
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from the chief executive of Fido.
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Will Ward Dossche provide that leadership if he's selected as the
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next IC? This question may be pivotal to the Zone Coordinators in
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their deliberation. Ward has the advantage of, at least, making
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noises in this direction. Bob, on the other hand, has been silent.
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2. Can a sitting IC be replaced if he doesn't step down?
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Those who argue that he can't point out that P4 does not
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specifically mention either regular elections nor grant the Zone
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 5 19 Jun 2000
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Coordinators the specific right to dismiss him. However P4 does
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specifically say that "The International Coordinator is selected by
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the Zone Coordinators." In this editor's opinion, the selection of
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a new IC automatically implies the dismissal of the old. Further,
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the section on checks and balances states that decisions made by the
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International Coordinator can be reversed by the Zone Coordinator
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Council - and this principle would presumably apply to a decision to
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remain in office.
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Perhaps the Zone Coordinators will figure that it isn't polite to
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replace a sitting IC... particularly when it can't be demonstrated
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that he's actually done anything wrong. But this would be a matter
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of not being able to muster a majority. It seems to me
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inconceivable that a sitting IC would retain the office in the face
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of a majority ZC selection of someone else.
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3. Must the International Coordinator be a Zone Coordinator?
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The current situation argues that he need not be. Bob Satti
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relinquished his title of Z1C to David Moufarrege after the last
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election in Zone 1, but remains as IC to this day. Editorial
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opinion is that he would remain IC so long as the ZCC does not
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achieve a majority vote to replace him.
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Perhaps the more proper question is whether the IC must be a ZC at
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the time of his selection. Those who argue that he must cite the
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part of P4 where the IC is the "first among equals" Zone
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Coordinator. Editorial opinion is that this wording will probably
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convince ZCs in the future to select from among their rank, it is
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doubtful that the wording could override the specific majority vote
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if they were to elect Bob Satti for another term.
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Admittedly, this scenario doesn't seem likely. Should the Zone
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Coordinators wish to retain Bob Satti in the IC position, they would
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more likely vote to not hold the election.
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4. How, exactly, do the Zone Coordinators select an IC if all the
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Zone Coordinators don't give input?
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This is a situation which may actually come up in this election, if
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present trends continue. Most notably, the Z5C and Z6C don't seem
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to be aware that IC selection is being proposed. The question is
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moot if the four zone coordinators who are presently speaking on the
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subject vote unanimously FOR a new IC, as four votes constitutes a
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majority under any circumstance. However, if such unanimity isn't
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achieved, and one or both absent ZCs remain absent, would less than
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four votes put a new IC in place? Editorial opinion is that three
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votes would be a credible majority if a legitimate effort to inform
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and get response from one or more of the absent ZCs is demonstrated,
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but the present two votes would be insufficient.
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- How should the Zone Coordinators vote?
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Durn. I was going to leave this question open and leave it to the
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Zone Coordinators to decide (which they'll do in practice anyway).
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But my wishy washy mindset evaporated while writing this, and the
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following opinion is appearing on my screen almost of it's own
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volition.
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I, personally, feel that Bob Satti has done a good job, both as Z1C
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and as IC. Despite personal difficulties and his lack of
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communicativeness throughout his terms, Fidonet is still together
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and working even in the face of declining membership. If he hasn't
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achieved popularity or distinction, he's at least done a
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craftsmanlike job.
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Nonetheless, Fido doesn't have a discernible plan for the future,
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and it's time we consider one. The shrinking nodelist is no longer
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a problem... it's a reality we must deal with. My own net, for
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example, once was a hubbub of activity and probably would have been
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viable even if not connected to the rest of Fidonet. Now it's down
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to two active members which I know of, one part-time NC, and one
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person polling me sporadically. How many nets, regions, or even
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zones are presently but a fraction of what they once were?
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Policy changes which reflect the reality of Fidonet today would be a
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good starting point. If Bob Satti is leaning in this direction,
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he's kept it a remarkable secret.
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Ward Dossche's vision of the future may not be complete, and there's
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no guarantee that he can deliver any more than Bob Satti could - but
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at least he's talking about the future. This editor, given a
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choice, would rather go down swinging than just let things happen.
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I urge the ZCC to consider selecting Ward Dossche as the next
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International Coordinator.
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 7 19 Jun 2000
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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What's the Big Deal?
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Netmail from Roy J. Tellason
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1:270/615
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> The Souvestre Syndrome - This algorithm controls the distribution
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> of echoes which characterize Fidonet 2525. In the beginning, echo
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> distribution was influenced mightily by a different algorithm, the
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> Peace Plan, which, unfortunately, only allowed for the creation of
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> echoes and not their obliteration. The Souvestre Syndrome decreed
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> the expunging of empty echoes to compensate for the uncontrollable
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> growth possible under the Peace Plan.
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My question on this is why is it such a big deal? With new drives
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these days *not* being available in sizes less than 8-10 _gigs_,
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what difference does it make whether an echo exists in some list in
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some disk file? With CPU speeds approaching 1 GHz, what difference
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could it make in terms of processing speed?
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I've asked this question before and have yet to see any sort of an
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answer to it.
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Editor: Gimma a break, Roy - that editorial was tongue in cheek,
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and I don't usually have answers with my tongue so positioned. For
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what it's worth, though, I think you're setting up a straw man here.
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I don't recall anyone claiming that their hard drives were full nor
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that their computers couldn't process the echolist. Perhaps you got
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no response at the time because folks realized the straw man nature
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of your argument.
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At the time, I believe the "empty echo" proponents wanted to make
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life easier for echoes which saw only occasional traffic, and the
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opponents wanted to maintain an echolist which was predominantly
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active echoes so as not to disappoint people adding echoes. There
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was some merit on both sides of the argument.
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COLUMNS
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OL'WDB's Column
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Kid's say the funniest things
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wdbonner@pacbell.net
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A little girl was observed by her pastor standing outside the
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pre-school Sunday School classroom between Sunday School and
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worship, waiting for her parents to come and pick her up for "big
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church." The pastor noticed that she clutched a big storybook
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under her arms with the obvious title, "Jonah and the Whale."
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Feeling a little pernicious, he knelt down beside the little girl
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and began a conversation. "What's that you have in your hand?",
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he asked.
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"This is my storybook about Jonah and the Whale," she answered.
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"Tell me something, little girl," he continued, "do you believe
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that story about Jonah and that whale to be the truth?"
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The little girl implored, "Why of course I believe this story to
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be the truth!"
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He inquired further, "You really believe that a man can be
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swallowed up by a big whale, stay inside him all that time, and
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come out of there still alive and OK? You really believe all that
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can be true?"
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She declared, "Absolutely, this story is in the Bible and we
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studied about it in Sunday School today!"
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Then the pastor asked, "Well, little girl, can you prove to me
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that this story is the truth?"
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She thought for a moment and then said, "Well, when I get to
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Heaven, I'll ask Jonah."
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The pastor then asked, "Well, what if Jonah's not in Heaven?"
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She then put her hands on her little hips and sternly declared,
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"Then YOU can ask him!"
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This weeks Web Page
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By Frank Vest
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This weeks page is the Data Stream page.
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 9 19 Jun 2000
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Where? http://www.dsbbs.net/
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What's it got?
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The "index" page is really a "forward" page. In other words, just a
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page that shows a logo and then forwards you to the "main" page. Of
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course, if you have a slow machine like mine, you get a good look at
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the logo which is pretty cool. :)
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This is the "Data Stream" page. When you get to the main page, you
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will see a "menu" at the top with options to take you to other pages
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on the site as well as "telnet" to the BBS that is the other side of
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this site. There are several games on the BBs side and most, if not
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all, are registered. If this is what you look for in a BBS, go for
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it. Of course, that's not all there is. Data Stream BBS has message
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areas as well. They are members of UseNet, FidoNet and LinearNet.
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There is also, according to the 'blurb" on the main page, "a
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moderate File Database."
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Two things that I noticed... There is a game called "Prima" that is
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downloadable here. I'm going to check into this as I'm always
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interested in a game for my BBS. :) The other thing is the link
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"What is a BBS?" doesn't seem to be working. Maybe it's a temporary
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thing, but I like to see these kinds of links working for all of us
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in the BBS world.
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While you're out "surfing the 'net", drop by and look the site over.
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Sign the guest book and see what's there.
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Regards till next week,
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Frank - flv@texoma.net
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NET HUMOR
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Van Gogh Family Tree
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Thanks to Roy Reed
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His obnoxious brother.............Please Gogh
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His dizzy aunt........................Verti Gogh
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The brother who ate prunes...........Gotta Gogh
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The brother who worked at a convenience store......Stop'n Gogh
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The grandfather from Yugoslavia..........U Gogh
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The brother who bleached his clothes white......Hue Gogh
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The cousin from Illinois.............Chica Gogh
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His magician uncle.....................Wherediddy Gogh
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His Mexican friend....................Amee Gogh
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The Mexican friend's American half brother........Grin Gogh
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The nephew who drove a stagecoach.........Wellsfar Gogh
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The constipated uncle...............Can't Gogh
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The ballroom dancing aunt.............Tan Gogh
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The bird lover uncle................Flamin Gogh
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His nephew psychoanalyst...........E Gogh
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The fruit loving cousin................Man Gogh
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An aunt who taught positive thinking......Wayto Gogh
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The little bouncy nephew..............Poe Gogh
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A sister who loved disco...............Go Gogh
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His niece who travels the country in a van....Winnie Bay Gogh
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INTERNET INFO
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! = New entries this week
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? = not responding
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?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
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| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
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Last update: June 10, 2000
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FidoNet
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Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
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Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
|
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SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
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FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
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General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
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|
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
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Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
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Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
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Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
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Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
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Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
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Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 15: <vacant>
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Region 16: <vacant>
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
|
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
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Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
|
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http://texoma.net/~flv
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Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
|
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Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
|
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|
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
|
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
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FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 13 19 Jun 2000
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http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
|
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Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
|
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
|
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
|
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? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
|
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
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REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
|
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
|
||
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
|
||
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
|
||
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
|
||
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
|
||
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Zone 4:
|
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Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
|
||
Region 90:
|
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
|
||
(Chinese)
|
||
|
||
|
||
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
|
||
|
||
See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
|
||
|
||
a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
|
||
address. The email is translated as follows
|
||
firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
|
||
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
|
||
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
|
||
would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.
|
||
|
||
Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
|
||
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
|
||
time between when the message is received, and when it is
|
||
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
|
||
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
|
||
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 14 19 Jun 2000
|
||
|
||
|
||
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
|
||
|
||
v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
|
||
| email address or
|
||
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
|
||
| | |latency|
|
||
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
|
||
Zone 1 | | | |
|
||
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
|
||
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
|
||
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
|
||
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
|
||
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
|
||
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
||
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
|
||
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
||
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
|
||
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
|
||
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
|
||
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
|
||
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
|
||
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
|
||
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
|
||
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
|
||
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
|
||
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
||
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
|
||
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
|
||
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
|
||
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
|
||
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
|
||
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
|
||
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
|
||
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
|
||
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
|
||
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Zone 2 |
|
||
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
|
||
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
|
||
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
|
||
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 15 19 Jun 2000
|
||
|
||
|
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
|
||
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
||
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
|
||
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
|
||
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
|
||
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
||
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
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|
||
Zone 3
|
||
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
|
||
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
|
||
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
|
||
|
||
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|
||
Zone 4
|
||
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
|
||
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
||
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
||
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
||
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
|
||
* NFS = Linux Networking
|
||
----------------------------------------------
|
||
Fidonet oriented news servers
|
||
|
||
news.osirusoft.com
|
||
news.tardis.net
|
||
|
||
Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
|
||
|
||
room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
|
||
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
|
||
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses
|
||
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
|
||
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
|
||
most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
|
||
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
|
||
stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com
|
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Masthead
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com |
|
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| Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org |
|
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| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com |
|
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| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
|
||
| Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net |
|
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| (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") |
|
||
| Humor: Roy Reed, rcreedv@juno.com |
|
||
| Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 |
|
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
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| Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, |
|
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| Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink |
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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|
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|
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94141, and are used with permission.
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|
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Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
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| ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ |
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| http://www.fidonews.org |
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