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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 21 22 May 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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Good Ol' Boys ............................................ 1
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 4
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Power Mongers ............................................ 4
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Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web ..................... 5
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 7
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The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee ................ 7
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4. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
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Ol'WDB: Kids Say the Darndest Things ..................... 9
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This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 9
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5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11
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Real Books... Unreal Titles! ............................. 11
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6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12
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Even Moo Famous Cows ..................................... 12
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7. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 13
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Fidonet-related sites .................................... 13
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8. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 17
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Masthead ................................................. 17
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 1 22 May 2000
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EDITORIAL
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Good Ol' Boys
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Doug Myers
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----- Part of an echomail message from Z1C -----
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DH> When things have been solved, I (not you) will report
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DH> resolution of MY (not your) problem.
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RC> The Zone was given input into the selection of the current Z1C,
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RC> I will do whatever it will take within my control to see that
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RC> this ZONE is fully informed of any 'growling' or innuendo to
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RC> remove him? The good ole or GOB days are over Dallas. To your
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RC> credit at least you werent beating around the bush..
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In such strident words does Ross Cassell chastise Dallas Hinton for
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perceived evils of the past. Ironically, as Region 18 Coordinator,
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Ross carries the credentials for a full-fledged membership in the
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"Good Ol' Boys" Club which he decries. However, he's made a point
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of distancing himself from such association - indeed, he even made a
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reputation for himself as a champion of the "Grunt Sysop" in his
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running of the last Z1C election.
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Dallas, on the other hand, has been widely portrayed by his
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detractors as the epitome of cronyism, both for his longstanding
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role as Region 17 Coordinator and his close association with Bob
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Satti. While this editor doubts that Dallas is truly evil
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incarnate, the lingering reputation does make him a favored target
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for soap box oratory.
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So what's going on here? Is there truly a cabal of "Good Ol' Boys"
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which needs busting up, or is Ross merely engaging in demagoguery?
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Did the "Good Ol' Boys" network ever exist, and have they now been
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overthrown by a democratic coalition of "Grunt Sysops?"
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Often, reality is less dramatic than the terms used to characterize
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it, and this may be the case here. Just what are "Good Ol' Boys"
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that they need be feared so? A straightforward translation of the
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term would imply that it's a group of individuals who have learned
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to work together and have developed a mutual trust and respect. If
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the term "boys" can be taken without gender, then the "Good Ol'
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Boys" have been in charge of Fido from the very beginning, and
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continue to this day. What more apt description than the sysops who
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originally joined with Tom Jennings in the fledgling Fidonet? How
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else did a group who described themselves as "anarchists" work
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together except by developing trust and respect among themselves?
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But "Good Ol' Boys" is alternately sometimes used as a slur to
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indicate a powered group that is ingrown, using their
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 2 22 May 2000
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close-knittedness to exclude new members and ideas. Probably it's
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this latter meaning which Ross implies when he chastises Dallas.
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Did, indeed, a controlling group take over Fidonet and exclude all
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others? The popular legend is that this happened when the
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Coordinator structure adopted Policy 4 as a governing document,
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granting coordinators regulatory powers. Tom Jennings, widely
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respected as the founder of Fidonet, complained at the time that the
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powers granted were far in excess of the duties taken on by
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coordinators, and maintained that the policy document should merely
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be ignored. In fact, the legitimacy of Policy 4 has been often
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challenged on the basis that it was never ratified by the sysops who
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comprise the network.
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The case for the Coordinators taking over Fidonet by adoption of
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Policy 4.07 is weak in this editorial opinion. The structure
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defined in P4 only covers the distribution of netmail, which is only
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part of the net's function. Important areas, such as echomail and
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file distribution are not substantially addressed. Indeed, informal
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organizations have grown in the years since P4's adoption to
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administer in these areas, and coordinator control isn't a
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significant part of these organizations. To my mind, a group of
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coordinators hell-bent on controlling all aspects of the
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organization which is Fido would have merely written these two areas
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into P4 somewhere along the line.
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In fact, Policy 4.07 has never been modified in its ten year
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history, with strong indication that the Coordinators couldn't pull
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together sufficient numbers from their own ranks to adopt any
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changes if they tried. David Moufarrege ran for the Z1C position
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partly on the basis of a promise to attempt to introduce some needed
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changes to policy... and, to his credit, he certainly tried -
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especially in the early part of his administration. Yet there's no
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evidence yet that the ideas he's presented have taken hold with the
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Coordinator structure... not even with those in Zone 1. I doubt
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that the Coordinators as a group will ever address any changes - for
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the simple reason that change can be accomplished through other
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methods, even in defiance of policy.
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If you're confused as to my point, let me just remark that I'm not
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exactly describing an omnipotent cabal of Coordinators with an
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iron-clad and self-serving Policy here :)
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In fact, this editor suspects that the only power coordinators have
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ever held is a bit of technical competence and the willingness to
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make the net go. The power is derived from others recognition of
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these qualities, and has little to do with policy documents or
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control from some tight-knit group.
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So how about the notion that Fido is now democratically controlled?
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Evidence, again, is to the contrary. Though elections are the order
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of the day in Fido, an embarrassing detail is that less than 5% of
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all systems seem to participate in the largest elections. Though
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the intention may be to make Fido a democracy, the bulk of the
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electorate declines to participate.
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 3 22 May 2000
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What does seem to be true now is that any sysop interested can have
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a voice in Fidonet. Though power groups are often perceived in the
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Coordinator structure, as well as with echomail movers and file
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movers, "outsiders" have often voiced their opinions, gathered
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support, and had their way despite opposition by those perceived to
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be in power. It seems that Fidonet is now governed by those with
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the interest in governing it... but isn't this just another "Good
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Ol' Boys" club?
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Despite the unusual length of this editorial, I should - in fairness
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- answer the question of whether I believe that Ross Cassell is
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engaged in demagoguery. Perhaps some may consider Ross as the
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legendary Don Quixote to be tilting with windmills here... but I
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consider him, also like Don Quixote, to be keeping ideals alive.
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Though my reading of the debate in the Z1C echo indicates only that
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Dallas Hinton called for David Moufarrege to "shit or get off the
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pot" and was not a serious attempt to call for his removal - it's
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still nice to know that concerned individuals like Ross will keep
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such debates in the open. It's what keeps the _actual_ "Good Ol'
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Boys" club good :)
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 4 22 May 2000
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Power Mongers
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Email from Ross Johnson
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russj@dimstar.net
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-->8-- cut here
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So I thought of myself (you still guess, what the hell have
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cablemodems got to do anything with what you are saying?) ... What's
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e-mail. It's nothing but a simple host supporting the POP3/SMTP
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protocol. What we simply need to do is set up one or more
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mailservers, develop a new protocol and a mailclient to support the
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new protocol. A cable-modem can make it possible to set up a
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mailserver with several gigabytes for mail and file-storage without
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paying much.
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-->8-- cut here
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I had a similar idea, but it went something like this:
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1> use existing technology (news servers)
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2> Allow only "known" systems to connect.
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2a> Only "registered" users can read/post.
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3> Abusive systems can be disconnected. This will require definite
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rules.
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4> no "open feeds".
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5> only moderated newsgroups.
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It would not be hard to build a well run news system that could
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augment the echomail system we have now. This system could run in
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parallel to the current news servers on the internet. There's no
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need to create a new protocol. What we might do is use a different
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tcp/ip port, to make ourselves a little different. This could
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differentiate the system enough to let people know that it's not
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just another news system.
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If it's kept moderated, then we wouldn't have the problems plaguing
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the newsgroups like Spam.
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Only allowing registered users makes it harder for news scanners to
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"mine" email addresses and other information.
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A definite set of rules would need to be developed, with
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consequences for those who break the rules, up to and including
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being disconnected from the system. This in and of itself will make
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the whole proposition difficult to build and maintain. The easiest
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way to ensure smooth operation would be to have a few "master" nodes
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that everyone connects to. Every time this type of a system has come
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up in Fido, I've watched as some scream "power monger!" and the
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system either withers and dies, or people who have nothing better to
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do continue to complain until the rest of us throw our hands up in
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disgust.
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 5 22 May 2000
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Anyway, that's my idea in a nutshell. If anyone wants to discuss
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this (without calling me a power monger! <G>) feel free to write me
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at either of the following addresses.
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Russ Johnson
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russj@dimstar.net
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1:105/8
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Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web
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Email from Brian Kessler
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BrianKessler@postmark.net
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Hello!
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I'm an ex-SysOp from NJ and I just made a random pitstop at
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http://www.fidonet.org/ ... I wanted to see if Fidonet even still
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existed.... was happy to see that it does, even though in a surely
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diminished form (I noticed there seem to be a few zones missing?).
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Anyway, I agree that the Internet is a lot more impersonal and
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commercial than the Fidonet was (is?).
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With the explosion of free ISPs, I don't see any real niche for any
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BBS that can't get itself a permanent connection to the INet... as
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for Fidonet, I agree it needs a better portal into the Internet.
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Not as web pages though... they are too annoying to navigate... not
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as newsgroups or they'll be exposed to too much spam...
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I think there are two directions to go (other than optimistic
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promotion of telenetable BBSs)... one is a java client that can be
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loaded by java capable browsers that can connect to a "fido-server"
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and manage mail as we might have done offline with Blue Wave.
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The second is an actual Fido-client (or a plug in for existing
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software such as Outlook Express) which would allow for the handling
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of netmail, echomail, mailing file-id's with a links to a fido-ftp
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for the file-echos... perhaps the client software would use
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assigned point numbers and members would still require human
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approval in order to prevent/limit comercial abuse...
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I don't have all the answers, but I don't think Fidonet has to
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either die, be virtually lost on the web, or be subject to comercial
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abuses... If everyone and their uncle can put out their own buddy
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list application and still find a user base, I think some developers
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within Fidonet can put out a Fidonet application and if we retain
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the virtues we had before, find a user base.
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Just some ideas for you to pass along...
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-Brian.
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Brian Matthew Kessler <BrianKessler@postmark.net>
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 6 22 May 2000
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SpacePort Industries UnLimited
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Chaos and Creativity Department
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http://bmk.cjb.net
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Are you still reading me? The message is over. Go away!
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 7 22 May 2000
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ARTICLES
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The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee
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This is the second part of three letters posted by Colin Turner in
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the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, containing information about this important
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Fido organization. Thanks to Lesley-Dee Dylan for forwarding this
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information to Fidonews.
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---------------
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Here are some Frequently Asked Questions (and answers) concerning
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the FTSC.
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* How do I join the FTSC?
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The FTSC is an elected body, and you can only be appointed in this
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way.
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Elections are held periodically. You can ask in FTSC_PUBLIC when
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the next election is likely to be. Keep watching FTSC_PUBLIC and
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FidoNews for announcements.
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* How do I suggest my own new standard?
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Any point or node can suggest a new standard. You should read
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FTA-1002 and to a lesser extent FTA-1001, FTA-1006 and FTA-1007.
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After that you should know all you need to, but you can always
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contact the FTSC administrator to clarify any problems.
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* Where do I find the development information I need?
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Experienced developers can find the information they require on
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the FTSC Archive site:
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WWW
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http://www.ftsc.org
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FTP
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ftp://ftp.ftsc.org
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FidoNet 2:443/13.0 and 2:443/14.0
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A list of mirrors is also available.
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Beginners might find it useful to look at the RoadMap project to
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help them find the documents of interest.
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* How can I contact the FTSC?
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 8 22 May 2000
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The FTSC can be contacted in a variety of ways.
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FidoNet
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Contact the Administrator, Colin Turner, at 2:2/20
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InterNet email
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Contact admin@ftsc.org
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Snail mail
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FTSC
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PO Box 443
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Bangor
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Northern Ireland
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BT20 3BF
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UK
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 9 22 May 2000
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COLUMNS
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Kids Say the Darndest Things
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Ol'WDB
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A first grade teacher collected well known proverbs. She gave each
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child in her class the first half of a proverb and asked them to
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come up with the remainder of the proverb. Their insight may
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surprise you.
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Better to be safe than...................... Punch a 5th grader
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Strike while the............................ Bug is close
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It's always darkest before.................. Daylight Savings Time
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Never underestimate the power of............ Termites
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You can lead a horse to water but........... how?
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Don't bite the hand that.................... looks dirty
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No news is.................................. impossible
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A miss is as good as a...................... Mr.
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You can't teach an old dog new.............. math
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If you lie down with dogs, you'll........... stink in the morning
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Love all, trust............................. me
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The pen is mightier than the................ pigs
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An idle mind is............................. The best way to relax
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Where there's smoke there's................. pollution
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Happy the bride who......................... gets all the presents
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A penny saved is............................ not much
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Two's company, three's...................... the Musketeers
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Don't put off till tomorrow what............ you put on to go to bed
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Laugh and the whole world laughs
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with you, cry and......................... you have to blow our nose
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None are so blind as........................ Stevie Wonder
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Children should be seen and not............. spanked or grounded
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If at first you don't succeed............... get new batteries
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You get out of something what you........... see pictured on the box
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When the blind leadeth the blind............ get out of the way
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And the favorite.....
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Better late than............................ pregnant
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This Weeks Web Page
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by Frank Vest
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1:124/6308(.1)
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What: FidoNet NET124
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Where: http://www.startext.net/np/net124/
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Net124 is in Dallas, Tx. That's pretty obvious from the "skyline"
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 10 22 May 2000
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scene and link button to "Dallas, TX USA". :) Below the Dallas
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skyline are links telling about Fidonet, Fidonet History and such.
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In the sale list of links are some things I really like. I'll just
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take them in order of appearance. :)
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People:
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Do you ever wonder who some of the people in Fidonet are, what they
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look like and such? Here you will see some of the current and past
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members of Net124. Yes, I'm in there as well as the R19C. :-)
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Current Dallas Nodes:
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Yup, it's a list of the Nodes in Net124. The list is generated by a
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program written, if I'm not mistaken, by Net124's Paul Lentz.
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Next is a link to "Information about joining FidoNet". This is a
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good overview of what it takes to join Fidonet.
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Under this link are links to:
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Our Friends in NET130's WEB Page
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Our Friends in NET393's WEB Page
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R19 WEB Page
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Collin County Station BBS WEB Page
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This is a nice gesture in that Net130 and 393 are close to Net124
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and share some local echos. The R19 page was reviewed last week and
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I thank Paul for getting the new link up on the Net124 page. Of
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course, My little page is in there as well. :)
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Now, move on down and you'll find the "Fidonet dog with diskette".
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Click on the dog and, if you have a sound card, you should hear
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something. :)
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Ok, that's the site. I like it and there is some good information in
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there. Check it out.
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Regards,
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Frank - flv@texoma.net
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 11 22 May 2000
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NET HUMOR
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Real Books... Unreal Titles!
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Thanks to Roy Reed
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The Foul and the Fragrant: Odor and the French Social Imagination;
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1986.
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Who's Who in Barbed Wire; 1970.
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The Madman as Entrepreneur: Career Management in House Prostitution;
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1979.
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Correct Mispronunciations of Some South Carolina Names; 1981.
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Manhole Covers of Los Angeles; 1974.
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Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun; 1995.
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Three Weeks in Wet Sheets; 1856.
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Be Married and Like It; 1937.
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Pranks With the Mouth; 1879.
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Build Your Own Hindenburg; 1983.
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Even Moo Famous Cows
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INTERNET INFO
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! = New entries this week
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? = not responding
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?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
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| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
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Last update: April 30, 2000
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FidoNet
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Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
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Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
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SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
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FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
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General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
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List server:
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http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
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Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
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Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
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Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
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Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
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Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
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Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 15: <vacant>
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Region 16: <vacant>
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
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Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
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http://texoma.net/~flv
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Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
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Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 14 22 May 2000
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
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?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
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Region 90:
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
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(Chinese)
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
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|
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a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
|
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address. The email is translated as follows
|
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firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
|
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appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
|
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also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
|
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would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.
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|
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Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
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latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
|
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time between when the message is received, and when it is
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sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
|
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defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
|
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immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 15 22 May 2000
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|
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
|
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|
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v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
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| email address or
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
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| | |latency|
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-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
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Zone 1 | | | |
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10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
|
||
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
|
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12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
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103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
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103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | 384k,!| n/c
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103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
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105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
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105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
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106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
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106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
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107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
|
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140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
|
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167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
|
||
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
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218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
|
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246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
|
||
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
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342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
|
||
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
|
||
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
|
||
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
|
||
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
|
||
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
|
||
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
|
||
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
|
||
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
|
||
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Zone 2 |
|
||
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
|
||
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
|
||
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
|
||
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 16 22 May 2000
|
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|
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
|
||
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
||
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
|
||
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
|
||
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
|
||
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
||
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
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|
||
Zone 3
|
||
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
|
||
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
|
||
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
|
||
|
||
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|
||
Zone 4
|
||
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
|
||
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
||
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
||
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
||
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
|
||
|
||
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|
||
Fidonet oriented news servers
|
||
|
||
news.osirusoft.com
|
||
news.tardis.net
|
||
|
||
Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
|
||
|
||
room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
|
||
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
|
||
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses
|
||
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
|
||
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
|
||
most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
|
||
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
|
||
stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com
|
||
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Masthead
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| |
|
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| Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com |
|
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| Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org |
|
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| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com |
|
||
| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
|
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| Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net |
|
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| (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") |
|
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| Humor: Roy Reed, rcreedv@juno.com |
|
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| Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 |
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| |
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
|
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|
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| |
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| Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
|
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| Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, |
|
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| Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink |
|
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| |
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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|
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"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
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trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
|
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94141, and are used with permission.
|
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|
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Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
|
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Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Douglas Myers, though authors
|
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retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinion expressed by
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the authors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and
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distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged
|
||
to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his
|
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addresses above.
|
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|
||
The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area
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FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These
|
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sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator.
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The current and past issues are also available from the following
|
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sources:
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| |
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| Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 |
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| ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ |
|
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| ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ |
|
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| http://www.fidonews.org |
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| email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org |
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| (subject: help body: list) |
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| ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) |
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