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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 08 21 Feb 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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OverLord of the ElfLords ................................. 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 3
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First Principles, Part III ............................... 3
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3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 7
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The Appallation .......................................... 7
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Poor little child ........................................ 7
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4. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
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This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 9
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5. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 10
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Zone 3 Zone Mail Hour change ............................. 10
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6. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11
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The Universe According To Dilbert ........................ 11
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7. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 13
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Even more udderly cool cows .............................. 13
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8. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 14
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Masthead ................................................. 14
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EDITORIAL
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OverLord of the ElfLords
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Doug Myers
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(Recently Nominated)
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Many of us have laughed at The Hunter's "Notice of Suit" published
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last week. Indeed, Charles Hunter has recieved at least one "Thank
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You" in the FIDONEWS echo for providing the ultimate belly-laugh.
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I, myself, editorialized that it was difficult to take The Hunter
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seriously on the basis that he appeared to be a juvenile.
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However, I'm now reversing my editorial stance and backing him.
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Hell, I'm rooting for him! Why? Well, there's something in it for
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me. And not just for me, because he announces that he's suing all
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of Fidonet.
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The Hunter is basically suing me (and the rest of you) for the
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following offenses:
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1. I failed to control the moderator and participants in an echo I
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don't even read, particularly one Jesusonacid@somewhere.com.
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2. I failed to order various BBS sysops to make their boards
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available to him, despite their judgement to the contrary.
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3. I failed to order the coordinators of Fido to give him justice.
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I don't mind confessing to all of the readers here that I never
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dreamed of having so much power over the people of Fidonet - I
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thought I just had to get along. However, if The Hunter is
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successful in marshalling the legal community behind him, they won't
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be able to find me guilty unless they first empower me to accomplish
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all of that. There's the prospect that I'm about to be promoted to
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the position of OverLord of Fidonet.
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I don't have deep pockets, so the courts won't get much money out of
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me... but whatever they get I suspect the ego trip alone will be
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worth the price.
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I am Alexander the Great, Conqueror of all of the known world - such
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is my might.
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I am John Carter, Jedak of Jedaks, smiting the warriors of Mars to
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rescue the Princess Deja Thoris. I am James Kirk, Commander of the
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Starship Enterprise and Wielder of the Force of the Federation. I
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am Rigel, Dominator of the Hyperion Worlds, belching fire at my
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whim.
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I'm in debt to The Hunter for his efforts in promoting my personal
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aggrandizement. It's not often I'm given a free power trip!
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FIDONEWS 17-08 Page 3 21 Feb 2000
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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First Principles
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Part III in a Series examining ZMH and FTS001 Issues
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David B. Smith, American Tune BBS (1:2410/104)
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Hi, Malcolm. I noticed you saying to Ron Mitchell:
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MM> I just don't believe that the ZMH and FTS-1 compliance has
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MM> driven away the thousands of Fidonet nodes over the last year or
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MM> so. We all know it is the Internet, or more correctly the World
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MM> Wide Web, that is taking our people. When you can visit the
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MM> world with one phone call, why would you want to go back to
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MB> connecting up to one BBS.
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...Presented for your consideration...
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True, up to a point. But what drove the BBS evolution, if you will
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wasn't just users, it was -new- users. We got computers and wanted
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to know what we could do with them. People who we trusted to know
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about computers told us about BBSing, and we became new users. A
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bunch of us stayed -- but we also became the people that other folks
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asked about how to use their own computers. And we told them about
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BBSing, and they became new users. Und so weiter.
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And today, when new people get computers (and before), when they ask
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what they can do with them, what are they told? "Surf the Web. Hook
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up with AOL." And they do that. And then people as -them- what to
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do with their new computers. Und so weiter.
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It isn't a matter of the Internet and the Web taking -our- users.
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It's a matter of them taking the -new- users, who bring others
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along. We're out of the stream. The salmon run is passing us by.
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And any solution has to correct that in particular. Bringing back
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all the old users would be nice. But without the new users coming
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in, we all get older, and give up or maybe die off.
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What got us here? Because somebody we trusted to know about
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computers told us this was the place to be.
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Further, what has kept us here? Interesting content. Interesting
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-interactive- content. Interesting interactive -human- content.
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Messages to reply to and comment on. People to respond to, and who
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will respond to us. A lot of Echoes are essentially empty. One
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recently became quite busy -- FN_SYSOP.
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Look at the traffic there. What does it mostly consist of? New
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messages? Nope. Replies. Threads that run for weeks or months on
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replies, often travelling into entirely different areas of
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discussion. People responding to each other. That's interesting
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interactive human content.
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FIDONEWS 17-08 Page 4 21 Feb 2000
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Where's the Internet's interactive content? The Web? The Web's
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interactive content is whatever a machine can provide out of it's
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canned responses & stored files. Some of it is useful, that's why I
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go there myself. Most of the interactive content is attempts to
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sell something. Nothing wrong with that, but it gets old real fast.
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Instant messaging? IRC? Interesting. Useful. Again, I use it
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myself. Nice to be able to do that, if I and the person I want to
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contact are both online at the time we have something to discuss.
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Makes it difficult to communicate with someone on the other side of
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the world.
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And, of course, you just "chat," because you have no time to think.
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There'll be 18 messages before you finish your thought-out reply --
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and those 18 messages are just chat, too. So you have interactive
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content. But the interest is only what happens to come to mind at
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the moment. Chat.
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So that leaves Usenet and email lists.
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Usenet is sort of a good news, bad news proposition. It had the
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potential to do what BBSing does, but the SysAdmins and news-haulers
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decided to take no responsibility for it, and now the
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signal-to-noise ratio is less than one IMHO.
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Internet email lists. I run a couple off my BBS in fact. A number
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of Echoes are gated to mail lists. Doesn't necessarily hurt. But
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email clients aren't meant for dealing with multiple divisions of
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content. So for years now, email client programmers have been
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struggling with ways to make an email client do what offline readers
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have been doing for maybe a decade. And it's still painful to watch
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-- the technology intrudes on the communication.
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I doubt most folks will disagree with this stuff. But how does this
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relate back to getting new users?
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We have a better way of structuring multiple-topic messaging content
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that's managed in a reasonably secure fashion. But new folks aren't
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finding that out. We're losing existing users, because we don't
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have the influx of new users to create new content. Because we
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aren't telling them we're here. Because they aren't asking us
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anymore.
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It's unfair to present a problem without presenting an option that
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could be a solution. Short version? Tell people.
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Which people? The web-surfers? They're looking for those canned
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machine responses, and getting them. The Web's good at that, and
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that's a fine thing. That's why I use it myself.
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The IRC chatters and Instant Messagers? Well sort of, only because
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they're reachable there. But their interest would arise only
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because of what else they do.
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That leaves the Usenet folks and the Maillist folks. The maillist
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folks, who are trying to get that interesting interactive content
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from human beings, but who are struggling with an interface that
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makes such interaction chaotic and confusing. And the Usenet folks,
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who have a tool that -should- work, but who can't get past all the
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useless dreck because of Usenet "traditions" that amount to
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mismanagement IMHO.
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Contact those people. Not by creating new Websites, new newsgroups,
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new maillists, that won't be used by people who don't already know
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about BBSing. Wander into other lists on other topics of interest
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to you, and say "Ya know, there's a better way."
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Don't be part of the problem by interfering with the content of the
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list. Do it the same way you'd promote one maillist while on
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another. A small sig on the bottom.
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If it promotes interest, discuss it further in private email. Then
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maybe move the discussion to a list where discussion of finding and
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using a BBS is on topic. The people you reach that way will be the
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still-curious new users of the Internet, who are also the folks who
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will be asked "How do I use my computer?" because they're still out
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their talking about the Swell Stuff They Found.
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Use the Internet, partly via the old Telnet option but also by other
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methods, to move those neatly organized, carefully managed, multiple
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topic message groups, without sacrificing the organization and
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management that makes that content what it is, and what it isn't.
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If you build it, they will come, but only if they -know- you built
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it. Get the content into the hands of the people you want to reach,
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and that allows you to inform them of the other, better ways of
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getting that content.
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Now I'm going to throw in something that some folks will hate. I
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hope it's clear that if this is a lousy idea, that doesn't mean the
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rest of what I said is wrong.
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I'm thinking about (but may never do) a one-way QWK packet
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distribution. No REP's being accepted back that way, just QWK's
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going out. The technical aspects are simple; it's been done before.
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I could easily do it here. Thing is, since no replies are posted by
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firing off REP's at an email address, the inbound security is still
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there -- you can't reply without logging onto the BBS and uploading
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your REP packet.
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It works for the same reason some Cable modem systems work. A lot
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more moves out than goes in. A lot of people recieve the same
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content, but each individual only creates a little bit. Even if
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they're calling LD, they're only on for a moment to upload. And if
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they're local, or if they're Telnetting, or if Money Is No Object
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<grin>, they're -there- on the board, and are just liable to look
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around and see what there is to see...
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Now I gotta go grab my asbestos longjohns outa the closet... <grin>
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MM> Removing ZMH is not going to bring back one node or user. Let's
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MM> concentrate on the real reasons.
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FIDONEWS 17-08 Page 6 21 Feb 2000
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That I agree with, to a point. Keep ZMH as a courtesy, willingly
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provided by those Sysops who can do it, to the extent that it adds
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to the functionality of the network. Dispose of it as a requirement
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for those who can't provide it but who -can- still effectively move
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messages. If you aren't recieving Direct Netmail, ZMH is more a
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ritual than a technical requirement.
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I would suspect that would require a new nodelist flag, or a change
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in the use of an old one, so folks aren't sending netmail to someone
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who can't recieve it. OTOH, even without ZMH as such, there's no
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reason you'd be unable to try sending netmail during that hour.
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Look at a CM system. With ZMH, you try to send Direct Netmail.
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Either you connect and can send the mail, or you can't connect
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because somebody else is already connected (sending Netmail).
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Without ZMH, you try to send Direct Netmail. Either you connect and
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can send the mail, or you can't connect because somebody else is
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already connected (sending Netmail or doing something else).
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The only differeence is what the -other person- is doing. What you
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see on your end, trying to send the Direct Netmail, is not different
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at all. ZMH may or may not increase your chances of connecting. But
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with CM, you can always connect an hour later and get the same
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message to the same person. What the heck, they won't read it till
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they wake up, anyway.
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Am I wrong?
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FIDONEWS 17-08 Page 7 21 Feb 2000
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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The Appallation
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Email from David Hallford
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hallford@thevision.net
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In response to Lesley-Dee Dylan's response to Jim Rysyk's
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article I must say that I am appalled by Lesley-Dee's improper use
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of language.
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The word which should have been used is "you" not "off". Although
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"off" is applicable in many instances, I think that this particular
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instance requires a more personal response. "off" is a more generic
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response and it is obvious from the context that Lesley-Dee's
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response was more personal than generic - ergo she should have use
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"you".
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I am surprised that you didn't catch this one and have Lesley-Dee
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resubmit.
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with warm regards,
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Dave
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Editor's Response:
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Keep in mind that the use of the term "you" would have constituted
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a personal offer, which I don't think was intended. The use of the
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term "off" clearly indicated that that particular mode of operation
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was unavailable to the original author.
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Remember the cultural differences here, David. Lesley-Dee posts
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from the Fidonews Canadian City Desk and employs local Canadian
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hocky colloquialisms. We foreigners are not expected to supervise
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such subtleties which we are not equipped to understand.
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Poor little child
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Frice@USA.Com
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In FidoNews 17/7, I read the unfortunate rant posted as "Notice of
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Suit, email from 'The Hunter' <chasers1@netzero.net>'" and was
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fondly reminded of Steve Winter and his bizarre rants about "corrupt
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Fidonet Officials." These poor little fellows -- after they
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profoundly lose an argument in a public forum -- start spouting off,
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trying to make their petty little selves sound like they're powerful
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and threatening lawyers, stuffing their unfortunate rants with
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freakishly disjointed legal-sounding rhetoric, doing their best to
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FIDONEWS 17-08 Page 8 21 Feb 2000
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try to pretend they actually know what the fuck they're sputtering
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impotantly about. It's amusing in a child, I suppose, yet not so
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amusing in an adult.
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Is this further evidence of the decline of FidoNet? Or has FidoNet
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always had these unfortunate individuals walking these
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cyberhallways?
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Fredric L. Rice
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1:218/890.0
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(626) 335 9601
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http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
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Editor: I doubt that this is evidence of the decline of Fidonet.
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If so, Fido has been doomed since the beginning - or, at least, I
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don't remember a time when there wasn't some huperactive complainer
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"sharing" his thoughts wit us. Like the proverbial poor,
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complainers will be with us always.
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COLUMNS
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This Weeks Web Page
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by Frank Vest
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1:124/6308(.1)
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Where: http://www.hilgraeve.com/
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What: HyperTerminal Private Edition (Hilgraeve)
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Comment:
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In this day of the Internet, we are trying to get some Users back
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to our BBS' and promote them to the public (Internet and otherwise).
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One thing we often forget as we "dress up" our systems, advertize
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who we are, what a BBS is and where to find the phone number to our,
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as well as other, BBS' is, "Ok... I got the phone number and I think
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this BBS thing might be fun... HOW THE HECK DO I CALL IT?!?" :-)
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The "meat" of it:
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Hilgraeve is a commercial site. As such, it does have it's "main
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line" software highlighted. of course. The page promotes "DropChute"
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towards the top of the page. I have no idea what this software does,
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but that isn't the interest we should have in the page anyhow.
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HyperTerminal Private Edition is what we are talking about here.
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Towards the bottom of the main page is a link to the HyperTerminal
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Private Edition program. This is a freeware program that has shipped
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with Windows for a long time. It's not the most popular terminal
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program around and has drawn some critics over the years. It is,
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however, free and provided with the operating systems most used by
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potential New Callers to BBS'.
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On the plus side, this software is still developed. It has a
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Windows and OS/2 version and the HyperACCESS version which is a pay
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product. I understand that there are fonts available to make
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HyperTerminal work better on BBS'. I don't have the link to get
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these, but maybe someone can provide it. Also, the HyperTerminal
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program offered here is an "upgrade" to the one shipped with Windows
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and OS/2.
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Looking over the Hilgraeve site, it is nice. not a lot of graphics
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to slow things down and well organized as well. I'd suggest that all
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BBS pages provide a link to this site. You might not like the
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program, but it is available to your potential "New Callers".
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flv@texoma.net
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COORDINATORS CORNER
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Zone 3 Zone Mail Hour change
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Malcolm Miles
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Zone 3 Co-ordinator
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3:633/260
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As from the 26th March 2000, the Zone 3 Zone Mail Hour (ZMH) will be
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moved back one hour to 1700 UTC. This translates to the following
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local times:
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Region 55 - WA 1:00am - 2:00am
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Region 51 - NT, SA 2:30am - 3:30am
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Region 54 - Qld, NSW 3:00am - 4:00am
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Region 50 - Vic, Tas 3:00am - 4:00am
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Region 57 - NZ 5:00am - 6:00am
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This change was requested by Region 57 NZ sysops who were concerned
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about their BBS users being unable to access the BBS before heading
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off to work or school. This was because ZMH was falling between 7am
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and 8am during the daylight saving period. Moving ZMH back an hour
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will allow users to call the BBS during this time and should help to
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stem the loss of users to other networks.
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The Universe According To Dilbert
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By Scott Adams
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*Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or
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evil. But you still don't want to get any on you.
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*You are without romance or mirth... You must be an engineer.
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*The status of a temp is somewhere between that of a security guard
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and the crud behind the refrigerator.
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*I used to feel guilty about smashing bugs until I realized it's a
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sport.
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*And in the news... Body parts were strewn for miles... Check your
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sandwich.
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*Our company does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, age,
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or religion... unless the religions are bizarre and unpopular and
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can be considered cults (and so may be freely discriminated
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against), or you are a short, fat, bald, ugly guy (and can be picked
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on without restraint), or are a nerd, smoker, or single person.
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Stupid people may now also be discriminated against due to the
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failure of their lobbying efforts.
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*I used to be clueless but I've turned that situation around 360
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degrees.
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*Trying to attain vast power & world domination again?! Bad dog! Bad
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dog!
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*There's a fine line between marketing and grand theft.
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*All your problems are caused by invisible people. To eliminate your
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problems, all you need to do is find them and kill them.
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*Someday, the people who know how to use computers will rule over
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those who don't. And there will be a special name for them:
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secretaries.
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*In the next hour, you will learn how to cope with guilt the Dogbert
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way. And if you don't, well, it turns out I get paid anyway.
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*Running feels awful, but it will let you live longer... So, life
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will feel awful, but at least it will last longer.
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*Before you defeat the competition, you must first subjugate the
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other departments.
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*It's not a cult. Think of it as a gang of morons who have nothing
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better to do with their lives.
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*Hello! This is a long-distance phone company with vague promises of
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unverifiable savings if you switch to us. Is this a convenient time
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for you? No? OK, we'll call back later.
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*If you have everything, gloat. When that gets boring, start your
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own line of perfumes.
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*If you touch any key, our software will lock up. Call us and we'll
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blame it on Microsoft.
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*Always put off dealing with time-wasting morons. If you would like
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to know how... I'll get back to you on that.
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*There's more to science than just hurting small animals, but it's
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the part that's the most fun.
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*What do you call a dog that's been run over by a steamroller? Spot.
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*Knowledge is power... But power corrupts... And corruption is a
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crime... And crime doesn't pay... So if you keep on studying you'll
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go broke!
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*Nature has a way of compensating for weaknesses, which is why
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stupid people have big mouths.
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*Time slows down as you approach the speed of light... But time
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flies when you're having fun... So if you walk slower, do you have
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more fun or do you just get more light?
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*It is said that man's ability to reason that separates him from
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mere animals, but then again the animal kingdom has no equivalent
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to "championship wrestling."
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*One way to compensate for a tiny brain is to pretend to be dead.
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*If you haven't accomplished anything so far, then your best days
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are likely to be ahead of you. But then, you should consider your
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track record.
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*Intelligence has much less practical application than you'd think.
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*Used car salesmen are not in it for the money. They just like lying
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to strangers.
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*To become one with your computer is to reach a state of...
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nerdvana.
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*When virtual reality gets cheaper than dating, humanity is doomed.
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COMIX IN ASCII
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Even more udderly cool cows...
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\ /
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|\/| {___} \__/
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(oo) ( * ) (--)
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/-------\/ V /--------\Q/ /--------\/
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/ | ||__| / | || / | ||
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* ||----| * ||-----|| * ||----||
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^^ ^ -- -- -- --
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Cow from Vulcan Smoking 1-eyed cow Cow w/ rabbit ears
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|\__|\
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| 00 |
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\---<( -- )>---/
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\ |--| /
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\__/ \--/
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( )
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--------
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nn nn
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This cow just found out she's being
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exCOWmunicated because she wasn't up
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during Zone Milking Hour.
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(__) (__) (__) (__)(__) (__) (__)(__)(__) (__)
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(oo(__)oo) (__)o) (oo)((__)(__)oo) (__)(o(__)o)(__)o)(__)
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\/(oo)\/ (oo)/(__)/ (oo)(oo)\/ (oo) \(oo)/ (oo)/ (oo)
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\/ \/ (oo) \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
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\/
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a cowngregation
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