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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 04 24 Jan 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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Bullies .................................................. 1
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
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Who's Out There Lurking? ................................. 3
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Why Not Cockroaches? ..................................... 5
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 6
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THE BULLIES OF FIDONET ................................... 6
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What are ya gonna do?!? .................................. 8
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4. COLUMNS .................................................. 11
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Ol'WDB: Makes you wonder ................................. 11
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5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 12
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Boy Becomes SomeBody ..................................... 12
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6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 13
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Cow Circus: Cow Balancing on Ball ........................ 13
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7. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 14
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Fidonet-related sites .................................... 14
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8. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 18
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Masthead ................................................. 18
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 1 24 Jan 2000
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EDITORIAL
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Bullies
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Doug Myers
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Sunday Morning I received an article from "Mike" (full name not
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given) on "The Bullies of Fidonet." It's an article I don't fully
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agree with - but since Fidonews should be open to all viewpoints, I
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publish it without regret. The free press nature of Fidonews,
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however, does not prevent me (nor anyone else) from presenting an
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opinion on the issue, however.
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First of all, I sympathize with Mike in his plight. I would imagine
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that he really is receiving all the unkind messages he says he is.
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I'm not following the particular conferences he cites nor the
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discussion in progress, but the arguments between pro-life and
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pro-choice on abortion matters isn't exactly new nor confined to the
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conferences on Fidonet. My own experience has been that both
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extreme positions in this argument have accumulated their share of
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unreasonable proponents so that rational public discussion is
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impossible.
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What's unclear from Mike's account is how much he contributed to
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situation which led to his bannings and heated responses. I
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wouldn't expect him to report that he went into the discussions with
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an attitude and drew response in kind from his counterparts on the
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other extreme of the issue, but it does seem more reasonable a
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scenario that that he joined the conference posting sweetness and
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light and received personal attacks from the forces of evil.
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Here are two areas where Mike's case against Fidonet is clearly
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weak, though. (1) He holds Fidonet Sysops and Moderators
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responsible for controlling messages he finds offensive, and (2) he
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threatens legal action.
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If the decline of Fidonet is predicated on Sysops and Moderators
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controlling messages to the extent of not offending anyone, then we
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may as well throw in the towel now. Folks can take offense at
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_anything_ and frequently do. Controlling ones own reaction to
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offense has always been necessary for public interaction, and is
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hardly new to Fidonet. I doubt that this requirement has led to the
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decline of Fido.
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Yes, moderators have taken steps over the years to restrict posting
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which goes out of its way to be offensive, but the effort is
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normally directed towards the smooth flow of conversation in the
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echo. Participants who take offense frequently to the statements of
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others and expect moderator action in each case have frequently
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found themselves removed from the conference on the basis that their
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complaints are just as disruptive as the offensive posting. Which
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is worse: one who goes out of his way to be offensive, or one who
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goes out of his way to be offended?
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 2 24 Jan 2000
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Threatening legal action is the lowest form of echo behavior, in my
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opinion. First of all, it is seldom seriously intended nor
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practical and, as such, is only intended as bluff and bravado.
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However, it's the biggest conversation killer around. What echo
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participant would want to cope with legal action over conversations
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which are supposed to be a pastime? Defending against even a
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trivial legal matter would impose more expense and time demands on
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an individual than he is willing to devote to the hobby. In my
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opinion, threatened legal action gives any moderator or sysop the
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right to drop the threatener.
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Fidonet does need ways to cope with the fact that there are going to
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be less BBSes in the future. Unlike many of the optimists, I don't
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think that trend is going to reverse... though I think Fido can
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survive with a smaller nodelist. However, I don't think the
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discussion is enhanced by taking up every grudge which comes down
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the pike. Sorry, Mike, but I think you're going to have to come to
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terms with the moderators and sysops you're arguing with on your
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own. I don't think you'll muster "Fidonet" behind you.
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 3 24 Jan 2000
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Who's Out There Lurking?
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philip@crookes.org
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Doug,
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Here's an e-mail I wrote in reply to Lesley-Dee's article in the
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last issue of Snooze. As you'll see, I used to be a Fido sysop, now
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I just browse the Snooze and wonder what if? As I noted to
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Lesley-Dee, you too may do what you will with these words, in a
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spectrum ranging from pulling the chain to publishing far and wide.
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Whatever you do will be right.
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Incidentally, did you know that the richest man in New Zealand is
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called Doug Myers?
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the words follow
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Lesley-Dee
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Like you, like many, I used to be in FidoNet. I joined up somewhere
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in the mid to late 80s, first as 2:253/197, later as 2:250/102 and
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later still as a node in the German Zone 24 but I forgot the number.
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At its peak I ran Merkinstead, a UK and later German BBS that scored
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upwards of 10,000 hits a month for its mix of attitude, e-mail,
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echoes, a real mean AI engine, downloads delivered by a Hairy
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Protocol and (then the wonder of the age) a unique online interface
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to the broadcast database that is European teletext.
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So why stop?
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I moved house, country and job. I became less and less patient with
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tiny-minded men with names like Keith Wassell and Ron Dwight (back
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then respectively *Cs in Region 25 and Zone 2). It's no coincidence
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that *C sounds-like STASI - the acronym of the loathsome East German
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spying & secret police outfit.
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I miss the great cameraderie - the monthly meets at the Barleycorn
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pub in West Didsbury in Manchester, England; the phone calls about
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some new discovery; the shared purchases of new exciting gear.
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The fact that when I joined Fido a sysop called Phil Burden could be
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bothered to put up with my 13 unsuccessful attempts to e-mail his
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system before I got it right... and then he replied with the desired
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node number.
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There was the time that Dave Thorpe found somewhere somehow the
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close-out stock of some company and we all bought unimagineably big
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192 MB hard disks. And wondered how we could ever fill them with
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 4 24 Jan 2000
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downloads and gateway programs.
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The time I got hold of a CD ROM drive and managed to belabor it into
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working with my Amstrad PC1512 computer with its 8086 CPU and
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incredible 640K of RAM to create what I boasted was 'one of Fido's
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biggest file troughs'. It probably wasn't but the files.bbs list
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alone was 100K long...
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The very first time someone called my BBS, pulled the rope to ring
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the bell and as the rope came away in their hand was greeted by our
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Butler: 'a tall, cadaverous man who sways slightly as he welcomes
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you to the House. Some people say he drinks so much because he has
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forgotten his Real Name - or is it just that he has forgotten his
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Name because he drinks so much?"
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I miss the shared pleasure of devising new toys for the BBS. The
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great spirit of discovery that led John Clempner to write and
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present to Merkinstead the software to display teletext (a closed
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captioning database of about 20 MB per tv channel) without even
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seeing the tv card in my computer. Or Simon Dowson, who created the
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AI engine that allowed our online Ngaire to give astonishingly
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believable answers to caller's questions - and even led one
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unfortunate lovesick lad to call the house line and insist to my
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astonished wife that she must allow him to pledge his troth to the
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lovely Ngaire at once!
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Merkinstead.com will, one day soon, reappear on the Internet,
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together with radio station 2BGR (for Bloody Good Radio) which I
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don't suppose we could ever have achieved with the Fido technology
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of the time. And when it does, no whining weasel Wassells, no
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drivelling dweebly Dwights, will tell me what to put up, which
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messages I may carry, who I may allow to come onto my property. And
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if Keith Wassell or Ron Dwight don't like these words, I invite them
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or any other *C to discuss the question with me keyboard to keyboard
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at philip@crookes.org. Attorneys at thirty paces!
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Fido's strength was its friendship, anarchy, common purpose and
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shared sense of exploration. Its weakness was and is the whole crap
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and bullshit of Policy - (since when does English give capital
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letters to plain ornery words?) and the unnecessary power structure
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inherent in the *C system. Fido needs exactly as much Policy as does
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the Internet. No less, no more. But it won't happen because the boys
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won't let go of the toys until one day the nursery will be empty and
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no-one will care any more. If anyone cares now.
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So long as anyone can de-list a Fido node, Fido is doomed. So long
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as the Nodelist entry is conditioned on anything other than purely
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technical grounds, Fido will die. Because even though I pay people
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money for my DNS listing, nobody is telling me what I may do with
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it. Not to mention that the Internet is bigger, better connected,
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cheaper to do and more fun.
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You're free to do what you like with this outpouring of
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sentimentality and drivel. Print it, dump it, shred it, feed it to
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the cat. Even put it through Merkinstead's Mincing Machine (tho it
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may well hit you with its handbag if you do!)
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 5 24 Jan 2000
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But, like Fido used to be and stopped being, it was fun while it
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lasted.
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Philip
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Why Not Cockroaches?
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Andrei Fomenko
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2:5041/14.8
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In the FIDONEWS echo, Andrei questions the use of ASCII cows in the
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comix section...
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AF> Why cows? What about goats or cockroaches? :)
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DM> No one knows how to draw them :(
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\ /
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-o-
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-o- AF> Such a..... an insect lives in my appartment #8-[ ]
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-o- AF> Bleah! BUT, once I saw it eating a cockroach :) I
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-o- AF> mean IT was eating a cockroach, NOT me:)
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-o-
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-o-
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-o-
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-o-
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-o-
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/ \
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DM> Keep it. It's kinda like keeping a cat to control the rats :)
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 6 24 Jan 2000
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ARTICLES
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THE BULLIES OF FIDONET
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"Mike" <chasers1@intergrafix.net>
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In this "Open Letter", I would like to call attention to the
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problem of certain resident "bullies" who presently prowl Fidonet.
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Just how does one defend against such cyberspace bullies within the
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confines of Fidonet? Not too effectively, I'm sorry to say. In
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this letter, I will name only people who I have interacted with
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favorable. Anyone that I accuse of any improper conduct has NOT
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been named herein because it is not my intent to further involve
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FidoNet into the dispute.
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My first experience with Fidonet was with Airpower BBS in the
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Philadelphia metropolitan area and it's sysop, Jim Henry, who is one
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of the few conscientious and fair sysops I've met in cyberspace.
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Upon discovering the Abortion conference; and making known my
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pro-life position I quickly found the Moderator of that conference
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very biased against anyone who held a view contrary to hers. The
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moderator, on a "bad hair day" unfairly and arbitrarily dismissed me
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from the conference because of my religious views. A series of
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ongoing insulting and defamatory messages ensued in the conference
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after I was booted and I began responding to each writer via net
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mail to correct misinformation.
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And, she was not the only one with that attitude in the conference.
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As a result, most of the real pro-life people in that conference
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left, even though the conference was taken over by a new moderator
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who I believe is a paper Christian/pro-lifer. Some time later, that
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Moderator who I believe was fully aware of the unfairness afforded
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me by his predecessor allowed me back into the conference.
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Unfortunately, the new moderator did not have the confidence to run
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the conference without intimidation and control from some of the
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senior pro-babykilling members of the conference. When a dispute
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arose between myself and one of the other members of the conference
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about his sending me offensive, blasphemous and religiously
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harassing messages in the conference, addressed to me personally the
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offending person voluntarily agreed to stop posting such messages.
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A little while later, the same person again began using the
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offensive post to me, knowing full well that I was offended by it
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because of it's blasphemous content.
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some "old
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timer" pro-abortion people in the conference who didn't want the
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pro-life message to get too much exposure could figure out what a
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"fence teetering" moderator would do if he got into a serious legal
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jam. After I agreed to stop posting my messages to the perp who was
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sending me the harassing, blasphemous messages; and without ever
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ordering said perp to stop posting to me, the moderator booted me
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from the abortion conference. Shortly thereafter I began
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complaining (mostly by private messages) to people who were defaming
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 7 24 Jan 2000
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me in the Abortion conference. I also notified the moderator and
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several members of the conference that I would sue them for their
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tortious acts against me.
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The "perp" after being warned by the moderator of the Bible
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conference about his messages to and about me left the Bible
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conference and went over to "Holysmoke" where he began posting
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untrue statements about me and the long standing dispute. I filed a
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cease and desist message defending myself in that conference and
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specifically avoiding engaging in any discussions with anyone in
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Holysmoke.
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Many of the obnoxious people in Holysmoke who frequent that
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conference solely to be obnoxious began, along with the "perp" to
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post sexually harassing, religiously harassing,
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defamatory/slanderous/libelous messages to and about me on
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Holysmoke, a public and international conference. After attempts to
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reach the Moderator of Holysmoke failed, I contacted the sysop of
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the BBS system that the perp was posting from (and the sysops of
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others sending such messages) requesting that they control these
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persons sending the unsolicited, unwanted, harassing, defamatory
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/slanderous/libelous messages and cause them to cease and desist.
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One of these people sending such messages was himself a sysop and a
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major hub on Fidonet who retaliated by contacting my sysops to get
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my access cut.
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The perp contacted the new moderator of the Abortion conference for
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help; and that moderator sent false information to the sysop of the
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perp intended to convice the sysop that I was the person in the
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wrong. That sysop, who was also one of my sysops, then cut my
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access to his board; and presumably without controlling the perp.
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In fact, that sysop did a trace to determine what my ISP was for
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telnetting to his board and then published that information in the
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Holysmoke conference, presumably to enable some of the more vicious
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posters in that conference to harass me further.
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The messages I get from the sysops, (one in particular) is that he
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and the other posters have the right to say whatever they want to
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say and send it in messages to me any time they want and that I have
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to be a captive audience for such messages. That is to say that
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they have every right to send me messages (even after I demand that
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they cease and desist) containing defamatory/slanderous/libelous
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accusations that I have sex with dogs, that I suck ****, and similar
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and more vulgar accusations together with blasphemous and horrible
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things said about my Lord Jesus Christ, His Mother, Catholics and
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Christians in general.
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I think my sysop, Jim Henry is an upright guy; but I also think the
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present organization of Fidonet leaves him little choice about
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backing up one of his subscribers against the group of cyber-bullies
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that presently roam Fido-Net.........some of them sysops themselves.
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I went to the sysops of the perps and even advised them of the law
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of the matter with the result that two of them refused to act, one
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of them asserted his right to do whatever he wanted and one of them
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booted me from his bulletin board.
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The "death rattles" of Fidonet have been in the air for quite some
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time; and I hardly think that such gross, manifest unfairness is
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going to help Fidonet survive. Do I WANT to sue sysops, FidoNet and
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other people? Certainly not! I think FidoNet serves a very useful
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purpose in cyberspace; and I think there are very many talented and
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dedicated people serving FidoNet. One FidoNet person who responded
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quickly to my request for help was Fane; and I think that if all of
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Fidonets members conducted themselves as he did, Fidonet's chances
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of survival would be greatly enhanced.
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I am not the kind of person who will sit back and send me
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emails/messages posts which contain the line "Jesusonacid@yahoo.com"
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or other malicious insults to my religion. Sure, you arguably might
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have the right to say that in public when nobody is around; or when
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someone is around who doesn't object. However, in the face of
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repeated objection you have no right to force me to be a captive
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audience for your awful posts or your defamation/slander/libel or
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harassment.
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Fidonet, this is the writing on the wall. I thank the sysops and
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posters who supported me in this matter; and I sincerely hope that
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someone in Fidonet might take this message to heart. I would
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respectfully remind all of you sysops of a major rule of Fidonet:
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1.2.1.1 (Users): The sysop is responsible for the actions of any
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user when they affect the rest of Fidonet. (If a user is annoying,
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the sysop is annoying.) Any traffic entering FidoNet via a given
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node, if not from the sysop, is considered to be from a user and is
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the responsibility of the sysop. (See section 2.1.3).
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What are ya gonna do?!?
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Is It Dying?
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Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1
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Ok folks. Y2K has come and gone. It's time to move onward and
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upward. I must admit to some concern regarding Y2K. I wondered if my
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system would survive and how many, if any, of the other Fidonet
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Nodes would survive. As it turned out, I made it and many more as
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well.
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Ok, so what?
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I'll tell ya!
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Since I survived and Fidonet survived, it's time to get Fidonet into
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the 21st century. Yeah, I know that the 21st century doesn't start
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for another year, but that doesn't matter to me and shouldn't to
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you. Darrell Salter wrote a "thoughts" article in one Fidonews. I
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respect Darrell and agree with some of what he said. We will let
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Fidonet die if we don't do something. Darrell is after the internet
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side and changes to P4. I applaud him for that. Me, I want the other
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side. Telnet is fine. I have no problems with those that want to go
|
||
that route. I just like the dial up idea. P4 works for me and that's
|
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fine. If it changes, I'll deal with that as well. Heck, I'm easy.
|
||
(did I say that? :-)
|
||
|
||
So, where does that leave us and what the heck are you talking
|
||
about?
|
||
|
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Simple. Promote Fidonet. I don't really care how, just as long as
|
||
it's positive. I've heard all the negative I care to. It's time to
|
||
go positive.
|
||
|
||
Ok, How do we promote Fidonet?
|
||
|
||
Well, we could all take out ads and spend lots of money on
|
||
commercials and stuff like that...... Hmmm, I guess not. :) This is
|
||
a hobby and, as such, most of us don't have or aren't willing to
|
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spend lots of money promoting. So what do we do?
|
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|
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Geesh! Here's a road map. :)
|
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|
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1. Talk about your BBs to friends or other people you get into idle
|
||
conversation with.
|
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a. If you're not a Sysop, do the same thing about the BBS(s) that
|
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you like.
|
||
|
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2. Are you on the Internet? Gotta web page?
|
||
a. Put a small page up for your BBS, or add a page on your site.
|
||
b. Plug your BBS in the appropriate Newsgroups.
|
||
1. Don't like Newsgroups? Don't read them! Just post to them. :)
|
||
(do you think the spammers read the groups they post to? :)
|
||
|
||
3. You're not a Sysop but have a web page?
|
||
a. Put a link to your favorite BBS' page or to a BBS site.
|
||
|
||
4. You're at your favorite computer store. Ask the manager if you
|
||
can put some fliers in the store with BBS numbers and "how to
|
||
connect" information. (of course, you need to print some fliers.
|
||
:)
|
||
|
||
I'm sure there are other ways to promote BBS' and Fidonet. These are
|
||
just some "off the top of my head thoughts".
|
||
|
||
In the "For What It's Worth area"
|
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|
||
I put a small post in the "general" newsgroup for my area
|
||
(Dallas/Ft. Worth) and snagged three people off the web. One left me
|
||
a nice note that read, <paraphrased> I thought that all the BBS' in
|
||
DFW were gone. Now, wasn't that a kick. :) The ad wasn't fancy, big
|
||
or anything like that. The whole post was as follows:
|
||
|
||
- start
|
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|
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Collin Country Station BBS is open and waiting for new Users. We
|
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have Message areas, Games and other things of interest.
|
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|
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 10 24 Jan 2000
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|
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|
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Dallas Metro Number is 972-562-8064
|
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|
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Don't know what a BBS is? Check out the Web Page at
|
||
http://texoma.net/~flv
|
||
|
||
There is more out there that the Internet and AOL
|
||
|
||
- end
|
||
|
||
I'm gonna pull BBS'ing and Fidonet back into the light. You can do
|
||
what you will. If Fidonet and BBS'ing die, it won't be from lack of
|
||
effort on my part. What are you going to do?!?
|
||
|
||
Oh yeah! If you don't have a BBS in your area, start one. If you do
|
||
have a BBS, promote it. :)
|
||
|
||
Have fun. Call a BBS. Enjoy life!
|
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|
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 11 24 Jan 2000
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COLUMNS
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=================================================================
|
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|
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Makes you wonder...
|
||
Ol'WDB
|
||
|
||
"I've never understood why women love cats. Cats are independent,
|
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they don't listen, they don't come in when you call, they like to
|
||
stay out all night, come home and expect to be fed and stroked,
|
||
then want to be left alone and sleep.
|
||
|
||
"In other words, every quality that women hate in a man, they love
|
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in a cat."
|
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 12 24 Jan 2000
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=================================================================
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NET HUMOR
|
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=================================================================
|
||
|
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|
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Boy Becomes SomeBody
|
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|
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A man is waiting for wife to give birth. The doctor comes in and
|
||
informs the dad that his son was born without torso, arms or legs.
|
||
The son is just a head! But the dad loves his son and raises him as
|
||
well as he can, with love and compassion.
|
||
|
||
After 21 years, the son is old enough for his first drink. Dad takes
|
||
him to the bar and tearfully tells the son he is proud of him. Dad
|
||
orders up the biggest, strongest drink for his boy.
|
||
|
||
With all the bar patrons looking on curiously and the bartender
|
||
shaking his head in disbelief, the boy takes his first sip of
|
||
alcohol. Swoooop! A torso pops out!
|
||
|
||
The bar is dead silent; then bursts into a whoop of joy. The father,
|
||
shocked, begs his son to drink again. The patrons chant "Take
|
||
another drink"! The bartender still shakes his head in dismay.
|
||
Swoooop! Two arms pops out.
|
||
|
||
The bar goes wild. The father, crying and wailing, begs his son to
|
||
drink again. The patrons chant "Take another drink"! The bartender
|
||
ignores the whole affair. By now the boy is getting tipsy, and with
|
||
his new hands he reaches down, grabs his drink and guzzles the last
|
||
of it. Swoooop! Two legs pop out.
|
||
|
||
The bar is in chaos. The father falls to his knees and tearfully
|
||
thanks God.
|
||
|
||
The boy stands up on his new legs and stumbles to the left.... then
|
||
to the right.... right through the front door, into the street,
|
||
where a truck runs over him and kills him instantly.
|
||
|
||
The bar falls silent. The father moans in grief. The bartender sighs
|
||
and says, "That boy should have quit while he was a head."
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 13 24 Jan 2000
|
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|
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|
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=================================================================
|
||
COMIX IN ASCII
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
*
|
||
\
|
||
w \ w
|
||
\\ /\ //
|
||
\\/ \//
|
||
| |
|
||
Cow Circus |(__)|
|
||
\(OO)/ Cow Balancing
|
||
//\/\\ on Ball
|
||
|| ||
|
||
||__||
|
||
/^^ ^^\
|
||
/ ======== \
|
||
/ \
|
||
|==============|
|
||
\ /
|
||
\ ======== /
|
||
\ _____ /
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 14 24 Jan 2000
|
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|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
INTERNET INFO
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
! = New entries this week
|
||
? = not responding
|
||
?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet
|
||
|
||
. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
|
||
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
|
||
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
|
||
Last update: Jan 15, 2000
|
||
|
||
FidoNet
|
||
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
|
||
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
|
||
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
|
||
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
|
||
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
|
||
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
|
||
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
|
||
General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
|
||
List server:
|
||
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
|
||
|
||
Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
|
||
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
|
||
http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
|
||
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
|
||
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
|
||
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
|
||
Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
|
||
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
|
||
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
|
||
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
|
||
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
|
||
Region 14:
|
||
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
|
||
Region 15: <vacant>
|
||
Region 16: <vacant>
|
||
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
|
||
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
|
||
|
||
Region 19: <Vacant>
|
||
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
|
||
http://texoma.net/~flv
|
||
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
|
||
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
|
||
Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/
|
||
|
||
Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
|
||
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
|
||
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
||
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 15 24 Jan 2000
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
||
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
|
||
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
|
||
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
|
||
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
||
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
||
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
|
||
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
|
||
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
|
||
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
||
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
|
||
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
||
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
|
||
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
|
||
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
|
||
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
|
||
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Zone 4:
|
||
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
|
||
Region 90:
|
||
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
|
||
(Chinese)
|
||
|
||
|
||
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
|
||
|
||
See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
|
||
|
||
a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
|
||
address. The email is translated as follows
|
||
firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
|
||
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
|
||
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
|
||
would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.
|
||
|
||
Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
|
||
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
|
||
time between when the message is received, and when it is
|
||
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
|
||
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
|
||
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
|
||
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 16 24 Jan 2000
|
||
|
||
|
||
v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
|
||
| email address or
|
||
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
|
||
| | |latency|
|
||
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
|
||
Zone 1 | | | |
|
||
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
|
||
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
|
||
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
|
||
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
|
||
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
|
||
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
||
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
||
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
||
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
|
||
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $50/yr
|
||
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | DS-3,5| $5/$15 mo
|
||
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
|
||
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
|
||
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
|
||
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
|
||
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
|
||
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
|
||
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
||
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
|
||
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
|
||
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
|
||
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
|
||
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
|
||
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
|
||
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
|
||
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
|
||
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
|
||
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Zone 2 |
|
||
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
|
||
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c
|
||
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
||
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
FIDONEWS 17-04 Page 17 24 Jan 2000
|
||
|
||
|
||
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
|
||
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
|
||
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
||
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
|
||
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
|
||
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
|
||
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
||
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
||
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Zone 3
|
||
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
|
||
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
|
||
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
|
||
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Zone 4
|
||
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
|
||
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
||
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
||
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
||
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------
|
||
Fidonet oriented news servers
|
||
|
||
news.osirusoft.com
|
||
news.tardis.net
|
||
|
||
Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
|
||
|
||
room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
|
||
irc.isonline.com
|
||
irc.killaz-r-us.com
|
||
irc.korombos.org
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
|
||
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and
|
||
complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com .
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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Masthead
|
||
|
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+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
|
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| |
|
||
| Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com |
|
||
| Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org |
|
||
| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com |
|
||
| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
|
||
| Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net |
|
||
| (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") |
|
||
| Humor: Roy Reed, rcreed@juno.com |
|
||
| |
|
||
+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
|
||
|
||
+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
|
||
| |
|
||
| Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
|
||
| Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, |
|
||
| Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink |
|
||
| |
|
||
+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
|
||
|
||
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
||
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
|
||
94141, and are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
|
||
Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Douglas Myers, though authors
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