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F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 24 14 June 1999
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| |__U__| / \// | Editor Pro Tem (June 99) |
| _//|| _\ / | Douglas Myers 1:270/720 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Ten years of P4 .......................................... 1
Joe was right ............................................ 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
My Road Map - David Moufarrage ........................... 2
3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 5
Snooze Suggestion ........................................ 5
Fidonet is tough to join - Paul J. Bussiere .............. 5
4. ARTICLES ................................................. 7
Z1C Election Conspiracy - Joe Jared ...................... 7
5. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
ECHO TALK - Dissatisfaction 'r' us ....................... 9
6. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10
The Easter Mass .......................................... 10
7. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 11
Cow with ceiling mirror .................................. 11
8. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 12
Editor Pro Tem Special ................................... 12
9. NOTICES .................................................. 13
Future History ........................................... 13
10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 14
Masthead and Contact Information ......................... 14
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EDITORIAL
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Ten years of P4
This last week, on June 9, we marked our tenth year on Fidonet since
the adoption of Policy 4.07. Will this be the year it's changed?
Many regions throughout the world have adopted the practice of
electing coordinators rather than simply appointing them as
specified in P4, the International Coordinator follows a policy of
allowing geographic exemptions for node listing which potentially
abrogates the strict geographic organization specified in P4,
internet only nodes are multiplying in Fidonet, yet one of the
obstacles to their full acceptance is the requirement to be
available for dial-up netmail during Zone Mail Hour, spelled out in
P4.
It would seem that the time is ripe for change - indeed, all the
candidates running in the current Z1C election have spoken of the
need for this change - and yet there is no plan afoot. Will this be
yet another year that we talk about change, and let it slide to a
future which may elude us?
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Joe was right...
... when he pointed out a conflict of interest between editing the
Snooze and running for election. Only it didn't turn out the way he
predicted. He was concerned that I would use the seat as Editor Pro
Tem to make an advantage in the election. What's happened instead
is that I refrained from writing the editorial here I would have.
Were Henk back from vacation, and were I in the position of just
another reader sending in articles, I'd have reprinted my thoughts
expressed in the Z1_ELECTION echo concerning his accusations of a
conspiracy in the SUPER-BITCH echo. Instead, I'll refer readers to
that echo if interested, and only make one observation on behalf of
Fidonews:
The accusations contained in Joe's article "Z1C Election Conspiracy"
should be either substantiated or disavowed by the Election
Coordinator. These accusations and proposed actions go beyond
simple echo moderation and have the effect of endorsement of the
theories advanced.
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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My Road Map
David Moufarrage
1:2613/404
I have been pondering about a "road map" for Fidonet for some time
now, for more time than I have been thinking about what I could do
as Zone 1 Coordinator.
Much of it is just like planning a trip: Figure out where you want
to go, then look at what route you'll be taking and what you'll need
along the way.
However, unless you know where you are, you won't know how to get to
your destination.
Trying to figure out where Fidonet is, is a collective effort, just
like our ultimate destination. This collective effort is carried out
in discussions we find in our echos, FidoNews, and, to some degree,
is reflected in conversations surrounding this election.
So, where are we?
=================
1. The world is changing. The shrinking nodelist is a reflection of
that change. It says to me that Fidonet didn't adapt at the rate
necessary to retain its following. Fidonet needs to respond to those
changes.
2. Fidonet has gone through a change in attitude. The "top-down"
structure of Policy 4 is definitely no longer desired by the
majority of nodes I see posting in echos.
3. Fidonet is still largely a POTS network. Fido/IP is still in its
infancy. Fidonet programs are mostly text-based and more cumbersome
to operate than the commercial Internet software bundled with todays
PCs.
Where does this leave us?
=========================
1. Now is the time to support efforts which get our arms around
Fido/IP and its implications. We need to assure a cohesive network,
where POTS nodes and IP nodes can continue to communicate with each
other. This requires the development and approval of common
standards. Those standards are currently being developed by the
FTSC.
2. Taking Fidonet into the 21st century will require that we listen
to one another. It requires the ability to bring varying opinions
under one roof. Fidonet is still a world-wide venture. We must treat
it that way. We must strive to stay a cohesive network that uses
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technology to better communicate and not let technology divide us.
3. We must continue supporting our developers and try to attract new
ones. New users can only be attracted by easy to use, GUI-type
programs. Likewise, new nodes will look for more sophisticated bbs
systems with features offered by programs such as WinServer, BBBS
and EleBBS.
Where do I come in?
===================
I have been a node in Net2613 since 1994. My first interaction with
the Fido "establishment" was in late 1994 when I was asked by some
users and points to prevent the hijacking of an echo. I successfully
lobbied with Mike Fuchs and Bruce Bodger, an experience that left me
with somewhat of an unpleasant taste for policy loopholes.
Within a few month I was elected Hub Coordinator, and later Net
Coordinator.
The nodes of Region 13 elected me their RC in 1997. The decision to
run for RC was initially made because I wanted to avoid having some
jerk stick his/her nose into every aspect of local business,
something we were quite used to in Region 13. We were also used to a
lot of fighting in our regional echos, something that has almost
completely stopped. We still discuss and disagree, but the climate
is generally friendly and non-abrasive. It is very much conducive to
reaching consensus on issues.
On a Zone-wide and Interzone level I have been involved in several
areas:
1. I actively participated in the search for, and nominated, several
candidates for the "new" FTSC. All of my nominees were elected and,
with the exception of [Craig Box, still serve.]
2. I actively promoted the "multiple distribution system" concept
which has led to the acceptance of a choice of uplink providers.
This also promoted the emergence of additional free feeds.
3. I have promoted the use of Fido/IP technology, interacting with
FTSC members, developers, the RCC, the Z1C and the Z2C, to create a
common standard and approach. As a result of my efforts, Zone 1
introduced the 1:1/3xxx segment, which lists IP nodes in the Zone
segment and raised awareness of this technology. I currently am
administrating that segment.
4. Together with David Hallford I introduced the INODELST FDN. This
File Distribution Network distributes a weekly extract of IP nodes
in a variety of formats. This FDN consists of a number of file echos
which are available through the FileGate and the Filebone.
5. Through interaction with a number of WC!5/WinServer nodes which
wanted to join Fidonet I noticed the need for additional help files
and tutorials. As a result I created a graphical tutorial on the
setup of the Argus mailer, which allows a node to setup as a regular
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POTS node or a Fido/IP node.
There is a lot more work to be done. Much of the work ahead will
involve creating consensus among nodes from all Zones. I believe I
can help create that consensus. I have good relationships with the
Zone 1 RCC, the IC, the Z2C and the Z4C, as well as a number of
developers and current FTSC members. Most of all, I have good
relationships with "regular" nodes all over. I have a track record
in my net, my region, and, as outlined above, also on a Zone and
Interzone level.
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Editor's Note: The bracketed information in item 1 above, missing
in the original text, was supplied by the author in echomail
conversation.
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Message to : Douglas Myers @1:270/720
From : rwhr@bigfoot.com @1:270/212
Subject : Snooze Suggestion
Could you please include a "FILE_ID.DIZ" inside the archive stating
the Issue and Volume Numbet and also say a copy of the Contents?
Thanks.
BTW you're doing a great job...
Regards,
Raymond
ICQ# 6612058
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Editor: I've added a small file_id.diz generator to the batch file
which archives the newsletter. The idea of adding the table of
contents is a fine one, but it was a little beyond my capabilities
on short notice.
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Fidonet is tough to join
Paul J. Bussiere
webmaster@checksix.net
Forgive me, for I am new but just begining to follow up the Fido
News. I have been a long time Sysop of a BBS up here in Bangor,
Maine (USA). We've been running Wildcat! BBS since 1992 and
currently run the Santronics WIN Server package, and their Platinum
Express Fidonet program.
Maybe I am that guy that is shouting to the stage from the back of
the theater but I have to tell you, Fidonet has to be the most
difficult of all the networks to join, yet its eyed as the best of
them all. While many BBSs were dropping left and right, the few
that did remain and convert to offering access via the Internet have
all but been ignored by the Fido folks for all too long. My modem
users quickly left my services in favor of the local ISPs. As a
result, I have no modem lines and haven't had them since 1996. I
get more visits and business from people OUT of my local calling
range than I ever did with a modem line, so the old requirement of a
modem line quickly annoyed me and convinced me Fido was slow to move
with technology.
But, thankfully, it appears things have changed.
Now, I am in the process of getting my system configured to join
Fidonet. Todd Cochrane has been key to getting me in Fido, as has
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Andrea Santos from Santronics Software. But where has Fidonet been?
It DOES appear to be a monarchy of sorts, from this spectators eyes,
anyways. And the Princes and Lords of each region seem to pass
along different versions of Fidonet policy towards Net Systems.
Why is there such anxiety over Net-BBSs (or Web BBSs, as many of us
call them)? I think its amazing that some Web-Oriented Systems have
endured the wave of the Internet. But rather than Fido welcoming us
in with open arms, it seems as though we are treated like a leper or
something. It seems that all to many measure a BBS merely by if you
have a modem attached to your system. That seems prejudiced, at
best. If I know I have no modem callers anymore, why should I
invest in the cost of a modem and a reccuring monthly bill? Just
for the namesake of 'qualifying' to carry Fidonet? I think not.
And that's why I have joined other systems that have seen the light.
RIME/RelayNet has been the easiest network of all to join. I have
recommended and seen many Sysops join RIME and gleefully welcome the
1,200 or so messages a day filter in through their systems. Sure,
its not Fidonet, but you dont have to be a politician to get in.
But I digress...
IF Fidonet is truly trying to pull in new nodes, you folks have to
see the big picture. BBSs are on the decline. Many are either gone
or on the way. Then again, many have jumped onto the Internet, like
myself, and found a niche for themself (like in my case, we host
several websites for customers)...others have gone from large BBS to
very successful ISP. And of course, there are some BBSs out there
that seem lost in time, still chugging along, taking numerous ANSI
calls a day over their modem lines. And I envy them.
DONT make it a royal act of congress to get in. Here's a daring
thought...how about INVITING systems to join in? Why not have other
Sysops mention it to sysops that are not in the network? Fido has
always struck me as an elitist click of people...you are required to
run special software, follow huge rules and regulations, and you are
effectively assimilated into some huge collective. I'm finding
(thanks to the aforementioned folks) that Fido DOES have a lot to
offer, once you wade your way through the crap. You folks need a
facelift, and some attitudes need changing. You can grimace and
despair and the number of systems dwindling from your network...or
you can make a valiant effort to remdy it some, by showing folks
that you truly want more Nodes and welcome those that have gone to
the Internet as a means to stay connected.
Sorry for the rant, I open it has fallen on an open mind.
Paul J. Bussiere
President
CheckSix.Net | Check Six! BBS
web http://www.checksix.net
telnet bbs.checksix.net
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ARTICLES
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Z1C Election Conspiracy
* By Joe Jared 1:103/301@fidonet joejared@fidonews.webworldinc.com
To those of you confused, this is a response to the
participants of the super_bitch echo. As soon as a full
archive is made available to me, I'm quite sure I will be
sickened even more by some of our participants in the
z1_election echo, but in the mean time some changes have
been made to this article to complete a few thoughts, seeing
as my tosser stole the message out from under me and sent it
upstream before it could be completed. To continue...
I just finished reading 80 messages in the super_bitch echo,
and am completely discusted with the lack of maturity of you
individuals. Anyone who has actively participated in that
echo at the level I've seen will be cut if their post
attacks a candidate in any way and is dated after June 12th.
In particular:
Ruth Argust:
Get a life. If you think anything you do would change my
opinion of any candidate, you need to rethink things. Even
before reading that echo I suspected what you were up to,
and sent notices to you. In your case, the date is June 11.
In particular, your coordination of this effort to ruin this
election is something that at some level should require
punishment. Fortunately for you, this is echomail, but your
tampering with the election is something that should be
considered at bare minimum, annoying. My own personal
choice of who I would want Has no bearing on this. Fair is
fair, and what you are doing is wrong. Additionally, as
Douglas Myers posted, I think you should consider the fact
that a year ago, when we in region 10 were all fighting
against a conspiracy to have you excommunicated, you in turn
have become a conspirator.
"Lesley-Dee" Dylan:
Your proposed attacks of Dallas Hinton because Todd is "dead
in the water" will result in you being treated in like
manner.
Other participants in the super_bitch echo:
Guilt by association. If anyone of you participating in
this echo berates, baits, taunts, or otherwise attacks a
candidate, you will be cut from z1_election. As soon as my
archives of that echo are received, I will start taking
names out of it. If I find less than honorable
participation you will be put on notice one time and then
cut.
Douglas Myers:
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Thank you for your high road message. I would suggest that
you disassociate yourself from the participants of the
super_bitch echo, so that at bare minumum, you could get a
fair shake at the election. What they are doing isn't fair,
and isn't right. Then again, who knows what I find in the
entire super_bitch archive. If you were active then, and
ultimately chose to take the "high road", my hat's off to
you.
Summary:
The participants of the super_bitch echo owe Zone 1 an
appology. Whether or not it will ever be seen is
questionable, but it's a debt owed. You couldn't have
thought even in your wildest imaginations that you would get
away with this, could you? Seriously!
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COLUMNS
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. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- '
Overheard in the Z1_POLITICAL echo this week, David Hallford
expresses his dissatisfaction with the Zone 1 Coordinator election.
--------------------------------------------
> I'm sure there will be considerable second- guessing no matter
> what the outcome of the election, but open processes in general
> yield satisfactory results.
Hi Douglas,
The tomato season is right around the corner and I will be a little
busy so I would like to go ahead and voice my dissatisfaction now.
Please fill in the blanks at the appropriate time.
Thanks,
Dave
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Jesus H. Keerist am I pissed about this election! It's obvious to
the most dense person on the face of the earth that ______________
should have won and it was only due to the conspirital machinations
of ___________, __________, and _____________ that the will of the
SysOps was denied and their candidate ______________ was installed
as per their pre-ordained election outcome.
The chances now of progress for Fidonet in the area of ____________
is now non-existant. The ability to accomplish ____________ will
never happen now.
You know of course that ___________ is the real power behind the
throne and that _____________ is merely a puppet figurehead.
Their next target will be ______________ _________ _______ _________
_________, and you know it!
They can all just kiss my ______. I'm moving on to __________.
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NET HUMOR
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The Easter Mass
Years ago in Ireland there was a priest who was very anti-British.
Every Sunday he would blast them from the pulpit. He became so
notorious that the pope himself summoned the priest to Rome for an
audience.
"Father," said the pope, "I want that there should be peace between
the British and the Irish. You're not helping matters at all. I want
you to kiss my ring and swear by the Blessed Virgin that you'll
never so much as mention the British in public again."
"But your grace, I - I - " the priest stammered.
"No buts," said the pope. "Swear it here and now or I'm going to
excommunicate you!"
"Aye, Holy Father," sighed the father. "All right. I swear it."
The very next Sunday just happened to be Easter. And the father was
back at his pulpit in Ireland giving his annual Easter sermon. He
got to the part of the Easter story where Jesus said, "And one of
you shall betray Me."
The father continues: "Saint Andrew jumps up and says, 'Is it I
Lord?' and the Lord says, 'Nay, Andy darlin, it's not you. Sit down
now and dunna worry. Eat your supper.' Then Saint John the Divine
gets up with tears in his eyes and cries, 'Is it I Lord?' And the
Lord says, 'Nay, Johnny me boy, it's not you. Sit down now and dunna
fret yourself. Eat your supper.'
"Then that dirty dog Judas Iscariot slowww-ly rises to his feet. And
he looks the Lord right in the eye and says, 'Blimey, Mate. Ya think
it's me?"
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COMIX IN ASCII
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Cow with * ||----||
ceiling \ | ||
mirror \-------/\
(oo)
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(oo)
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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Editor Pro Tem Special
Maybe you've wanted to publish your own Fidonews article, but
weren't sure how to go about it. Or perhaps you found the
instructions in ARTSPEC.DOC, but they were daunting.
Well, it's time to speak up! During the month of June, I'm running
an "Editor Pro Tem" special. Concentrate on what you have to say
and get it to me in some kind of readable ASCII, and I'll do the
necessary formatting for publication. You can send articles netmail
to Douglas Myers at 1:379/720, or email to doug@mdtnbbs.com.
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NOTICES
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Future History
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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