545 lines
22 KiB
Plaintext
545 lines
22 KiB
Plaintext
F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 21 24 May 1999
|
||
+----------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|
||
| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
|
||
| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
|
||
| _ | +27-41-581-5913 [5:5/23] |
|
||
| / \ | |
|
||
| /|oo \ | |
|
||
| (_| /_) | |
|
||
| _`@/_ \ _ | |
|
||
| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
|
||
| | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 |
|
||
| |__U__| / \// | |
|
||
| _//|| _\ / | |
|
||
| (_/(_|(____/ | |
|
||
| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
|
||
| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
|
||
+----------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|
||
| Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 |
|
||
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
||
| MORE addresses: |
|
||
| |
|
||
| submissions=> editor@fidonews.org |
|
||
| hwolsink@catpe.alt.za |
|
||
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
||
| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
|
||
| obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ |
|
||
| please refer to the end of this file. |
|
||
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
||
|
||
|
||
Table of Contents
|
||
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
|
||
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
|
||
What's Not Happening - Losing issues in the Z1C Electio .. 2
|
||
3. NOTICES .................................................. 4
|
||
4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 5
|
||
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 9
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 1 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
EDITORIAL
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Greetings,
|
||
|
||
The last issue from me for 4 weeks, as we are on our way on Tuesday.
|
||
|
||
Douglas will look after FidoNews until my return.
|
||
|
||
Happy reading,
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 2 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
GUEST EDITORIAL
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
What's Not Happening
|
||
|
||
.-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --.
|
||
| There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but |
|
||
| there's always something which isn't happening. This |
|
||
| column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido |
|
||
| what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... |
|
||
`-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --'
|
||
|
||
The Zone 1 Coordinator Election begins it's nomination phase on May
|
||
30th. Lack of candidates, however, has been no deterrent to the
|
||
debate of issues. Here are a few issues from the past week which
|
||
should not be a factor in the upcoming election:
|
||
|
||
|
||
1. Dallas Hinton posted as Bob Satti.
|
||
|
||
Much ado was made over Dallas logging onto Bob's system as Bob and
|
||
posting in his name. However, it appears that Dallas was merely
|
||
passing on messages dictated by Bob from his hospital bed. This
|
||
charge fails to establish any intent to defraud on Dallas part, and
|
||
I seriously doubt that even Dallas' detractors will continue to hold
|
||
him in infamy over the technicality that he didn't put his initials
|
||
on the dictated messages.
|
||
|
||
It's probably not a good idea for Dallas to list this activity on
|
||
his election resume under "ZC EXPERIENCE," however...
|
||
|
||
|
||
2. Region 10 Net Coordinators were not consulted before the R10C
|
||
voted on election methods.
|
||
|
||
This turned out to be a simple technical error - the messages posted
|
||
in the R10 regional echoes were lost on one system. Brenda Donovan,
|
||
as Region 10 Coordinator, continues to enjoy (so fare as I know) a
|
||
reputation for putting information before her region. The fact that
|
||
the charge was even made is more indicative that there is still a
|
||
deep distrust of regional representation than indicative of any
|
||
actual RC failure. RCs should, of course, be aware of this
|
||
distrust... but I don't see what more they can do except to continue
|
||
to conduct their business openly and honestly.
|
||
|
||
|
||
3. Regional Coordinators sent differing messages to their regions
|
||
in soliciting input concerning election methods for the Z1C.
|
||
|
||
It's certain that RC's wrote their regions using their own words
|
||
because there was no common message drafted for this purpose.
|
||
Whether there should have been or not is open for debate, but
|
||
there's been no case established that the differing wording resulted
|
||
in differing input from the regions.
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 3 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
This is unlikely to become an issue in the upcoming election because
|
||
it doesn't express the underlying concern of those expressing the
|
||
complaint. The underlying concern is that regional input may not be
|
||
accurately reflected whenever the RCs vote. So long as the concept
|
||
of RC representation is distrusted, or in the absence of independent
|
||
monitoring of regional input, it's unlikely that this issue will be
|
||
resolved in time for the current election.
|
||
|
||
|
||
4. Policy 4 does not require open election of the Z1C.
|
||
|
||
This argument has normally been advanced whenever criticism of the
|
||
current election process has become severe. The implication is that
|
||
sysops should be content with whatever input they've been granted to
|
||
the selection process, because they're not entitled to any by
|
||
policy. Policy firmly places ZC selection in the RC's hands and
|
||
does not address the method of selection they use.
|
||
|
||
This is unlikely to become an election issue because it represents
|
||
an extreme viewpoint - as extreme as the viewpoint that Fidonet
|
||
sysops can void policy merely by withdrawing from Fido and reforming
|
||
the net. However, the facts are that RCs have chosen to make part
|
||
of the election process open, and sysops have chosen to attempt to
|
||
work within the existing structure. Extremes have no place in the
|
||
upcoming election.
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
|
||
| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
|
||
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
|
||
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 4 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
NOTICES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Future History
|
||
|
||
4 Jul - 10 Jul 1999
|
||
Z1C Election process
|
||
|
||
24 Jul 1999
|
||
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
|
||
|
||
9 Jun 1999
|
||
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
|
||
|
||
10 Sep 1999
|
||
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
|
||
|
||
26 Oct 1999
|
||
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
|
||
|
||
31 Dec 1999
|
||
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
|
||
|
||
1 Jan 2000
|
||
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
|
||
|
||
1 Jun 2000
|
||
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
|
||
|
||
15 Sep 2000
|
||
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
|
||
|
||
21 Sep 2000
|
||
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
|
||
|
||
1 Jan 2001
|
||
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
|
||
|
||
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
|
||
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 5 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
FIDONET BY INTERNET
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
|
||
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
|
||
|
||
FidoNet:
|
||
|
||
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
|
||
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
|
||
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
|
||
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
|
||
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
|
||
Echomail [pending]
|
||
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
|
||
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
|
||
List servers:
|
||
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
|
||
|
||
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
|
||
|
||
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
|
||
|
||
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
|
||
|
||
Region 14:
|
||
|
||
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
|
||
|
||
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
|
||
|
||
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
|
||
|
||
Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19
|
||
|
||
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
|
||
|
||
Not sure where the following should be placed:
|
||
|
||
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
ZEC2:
|
||
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
|
||
|
||
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 6 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
|
||
|
||
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
||
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
|
||
|
||
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
|
||
|
||
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
|
||
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
||
|
||
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
||
|
||
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
|
||
|
||
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
|
||
|
||
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
|
||
|
||
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
||
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
|
||
|
||
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
||
|
||
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
|
||
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
|
||
|
||
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
|
||
|
||
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
|
||
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 4:
|
||
|
||
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
|
||
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
|
||
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 7 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
|
||
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
|
||
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
|
||
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
|
||
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
|
||
|
||
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
|
||
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
|
||
|
||
-----------oOo-------------
|
||
|
||
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
|
||
|
||
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
|
||
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
|
||
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
|
||
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
|
||
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
|
||
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
|
||
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
|
||
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
|
||
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
|
||
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
||
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
|
||
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
|
||
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
|
||
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
|
||
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
|
||
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
||
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
|
||
2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
|
||
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
||
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
||
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
4:902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
|
||
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
--
|
||
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
||
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
||
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
||
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
|
||
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 8 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
|
||
available.]
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 9 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
FIDONEWS INFORMATION
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
|
||
|
||
Editor: Henk Wolsink
|
||
|
||
Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
||
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
|
||
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
|
||
|
||
"FidoNews Editor"
|
||
FidoNet 5:5/23
|
||
BBS +27-41-581-5913, 2400/9600/V34
|
||
|
||
more addresses:
|
||
Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address)
|
||
FidoNews Editor
|
||
P.O. Box 12325
|
||
Port Elizabeth,
|
||
6006
|
||
South Africa
|
||
|
||
------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
|
||
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
|
||
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
|
||
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
|
||
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
|
||
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
|
||
FidoNews and/or the Editor.
|
||
|
||
Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
|
||
Copyright (C) 1999 Henk Wolsink. All rights reserved. Duplication
|
||
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
|
||
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
|
||
the Editor.
|
||
|
||
=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
|
||
|
||
OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
|
||
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
|
||
file-request, or from various sites in FidoNet and the Internet.
|
||
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
|
||
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
|
||
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
|
||
back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSGnn.ZIP] for a
|
||
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
|
||
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
|
||
current year [9], i.e., FNWSJAN9.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 99.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 10 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
|
||
1 - 16 for 1984 - 1999, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
|
||
size from 48K to 1.4M.
|
||
|
||
|
||
INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
|
||
|
||
http://www.fidonews.org
|
||
** http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
|
||
** ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
|
||
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
|
||
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews
|
||
|
||
And in non-English formats via:
|
||
|
||
** http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
|
||
http://www.fidonet.pp.se/sfnews (Swedish)
|
||
|
||
** LINK HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED
|
||
|
||
*=*=*
|
||
|
||
You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:
|
||
|
||
jbarchuk@worldnet.att.net
|
||
|
||
with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist
|
||
|
||
and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the
|
||
email distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist
|
||
with no message to the same address above.
|
||
|
||
*
|
||
|
||
You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
|
||
by sending email to:
|
||
|
||
ftpmail@fidonews.org
|
||
|
||
with a Subject line of: help
|
||
|
||
and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
|
||
instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
|
||
respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
|
||
www.fidonews.org.
|
||
|
||
*=*=*
|
||
|
||
You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:
|
||
|
||
http://www.fidonews.org
|
||
|
||
and http://www.fidonet.dynip.com/public/fidonews/default.htm
|
||
|
||
and in the FIDONEWS echo.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 11 24 May 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
|
||
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:
|
||
|
||
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
|
||
|
||
Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
|
||
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.
|
||
|
||
=*=*=*=
|
||
|
||
The current week's FidoNews are now also available almost immediately
|
||
after publication on the FidoNews Editor homepage on the World Wide
|
||
Web at:
|
||
|
||
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html
|
||
|
||
There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
|
||
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
|
||
email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.
|
||
|
||
=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
|
||
|
||
SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
|
||
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
|
||
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
|
||
from 5:5/23 [5:7104/2] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
|
||
should have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.
|
||
|
||
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
||
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
|
||
and are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
"Disagreement is actually necessary,
|
||
or we'd all have to get in fights
|
||
or something to amuse ourselves
|
||
and create the requisite chaos."
|
||
-Tom Jennings
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|