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F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 08 22 February 1999
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | +27-41-515-913 [5:5/23] |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
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Dem Bones, Dem Bones ..................................... 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
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Announcement ............................................. 3
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The nab is connected to the johnnie bone, the bobby bon .. 3
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An Alternative to Empty Echos and Dross-Filled Internet .. 4
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 6
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5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 7
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6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 1 22 Feb 1999
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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What the heck is going on with all this 'backbone' bull in Zone 1?
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Will somebody please sent me Netmail and tell me the full story?
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E-mail will also do, thanks.
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In the not to distant future, it's my intention to do some travelling
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to another Zone for a few weeks. I'm looking for a stand-in or if you
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prefer, an assistant to take care of FidoNews. If you are interested
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please sent me Netmail.
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Happy reading,
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 2 22 Feb 1999
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Dem Bones, Dem Bones...
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Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, doug@mdtnbbs.com
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Despite another break in the Backbone, mail mover notables assure us
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that echomail will continue to flow. The first crack in the
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Backbone occured recently when George Peace withdrew, citing
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differences with John Souvestre's strong-arm attempts to control the
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organization. However, George didn't actually stop moving mail and,
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after the dust settled, echomail continued to flow. Not to be
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outdone, John Souvestre last week quit the Backbone and started his
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own. Supporters of the new Zone 1 Backbone (I count at least two)
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predict the demise of the old North American Backbone within 6
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months.
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It's ironic that as echomail volume decreases, presumably due to the
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increasing influence of the internet, echomail organization becomes
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increasingly complex. At the moment, I'm aware of nine
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organizations dedicated to the distribution of echomail, and there
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are probably more:
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FS - FidoSpine
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FTPB - FTP Bone
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FTPH - FTP Hub
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IHub - Internet Hub
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NAB - North American Backbone
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PC - Planet Connect
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TFPD - The Funny Papers Distribution
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WWB - World Wide Backbone
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Z1B - Zone 1 Backbone
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Some have noted that all this splintering is actually good for Fido
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echomail, as the ensuing arguements about distribution methods are
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keeping the echoes alive. If the past is a reliable guide, then the
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formation of the Z1B will keep the beef coming... we'll just have
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more 'bones to contend with.
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In the spirit of further divisiveness for the good of Fido echomail,
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I'd like to offer some more acronyms for the enterprising amoung us:
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POB - Peace O' Bone. Why shouldn't George have his own?
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WWF - Hulk Hogan gets into echomail.
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Z1T - Teens abandon AOL chat rooms and take to echomail.
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Z1P - Compressed echomail with a new packet format: PKZ1P.
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ZZZ - For those of us who prefer to sleep through the echo wars.
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 3 22 Feb 1999
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ARTICLES
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Announcement
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by John Bodoni, 1:284/99
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Greetings.
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It has become apparent that there are two distinct schools of
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thought regarding mail movement within Zone 1. Some members of
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the North American Backbone (NAB) are unsatisfied with the
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direction the distribution system has taken, others are content
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with the way things are currently being handled.
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The time has come for the two groups to part ways.
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The Zone 1 Backbone has been formed.
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Consisting of volunteers who are willing to be held to a group-
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defined standard of operation, the goal of the Zone 1 Backbone
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(Z1B) is to distribute echomail and echomail-routed-netmail as
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rapidly and reliably as possible.
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For further information about the Z1B, feel free to connect to
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the Z1BACKBONE conference, which should soon be available at a
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distribution system near you.
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John Bodoni
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Zone 1 Backbone Coordinator
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The nab is connected to the johnnie bone, the bobby bone is
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By Bob Moravsik, the Southern Star
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We have just witnessed an event that made no difference. Malcontent
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John John Souvestre resigned from his imaginary backbone and is
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posturing to start the JohnnyBone. Souvestre has been Fidonet's
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malconrent, ever since he tried to enforce boppy on everybody that
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carried a message with 396/1 in the seenbye.
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Needless to say most of his "dicta" have been laughed at. Now he
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wants to start another backbone of one and will take it upon himself
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to carry conferences when nobody asked that "his bone" carry them.
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Hence the Johnnybone has NO CONFERENCES unless he creates this
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fiction that the Johnnybone will carry all conferences unless asked
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not to.
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All moderators might want to carefully thinkout the wisdom of carrying
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conferences on the Johnnybone. Remember, if this guy don't get his
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way, he gets very vindictive. He's dropped conferences before on a
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whim. If the Johnnybone doesn't carry any conferences, the nodes
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linked to the Johnnybone will SIMPLY route around the Johnnybone.
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 4 22 Feb 1999
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Its been done before.
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The Johnnybone will have one conference for the Johnny groupies. The
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rest will be swiped from the FidoSpine or the BWP bone. (Or is it BW
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bone...hmmmmm). We are all awaiting the unilateral proclamation from
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the Johnnybone on its officiality. The real question on peoples minds
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is what "council" can this guy latch onto to fake you all into believe
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he's "official".
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We wait with unrelenting glee for this posturing.
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Regards Bob
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An Alternative to Empty Echos and Dross-Filled Internet Newsgroups
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by Steve Quarrella, 1:124/9005 or fishpope@iname.com
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These days, folks are running off to the Internet in droves. Well,
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I like the Internet as much as the next guy, but there is one area
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where I think Fidonet absolutely beats the tar out of the Internet.
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That's our message echos. It is a constant annoyance to me to go
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into a certain newsgroup, looking for chatter or information, only
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to find it overrun by career flame artists, spammers, bullies, idle
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chatterers, and other destructive persons whose goal in life appears
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to be to suck the life out of the newsgroup and scare everybody off.
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While there ARE Internet alternatives, like moderated newsgroups and
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-- don't forget this one -- private mailing lists, I like to think
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our Fidonet echos are a wonderful alternative for folks who just like
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to talk. I started my system because I liked participating in the
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echos, and I've always liked to think that anybody who shared the
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same interest would feel at home here at 1:124/9005. We've got many
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conferences, covering a broad number of topics, and most are governed
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by reasonable people and guidelines that spare us from the
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aforementioned destructive behaviour. Unfortunately, many of these
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conferences once had double digit per day traffic -- some of my
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favourites were MST3K, MUSIC, and ZYMURGY -- and they have since
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shrivelled up and have become shades of their former selves. I
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personally moderate several echos whose readership has declined, for
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various reasons, and I don't care to see those conferences disappear
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into the wind.
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There _is_ an opportunity for us to have our cake and eat it, too.
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It's not a big secret, many folks are doing it, but it's time to
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spread the word. I can't beat 'em, so I'll join 'em, in the form of
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a private, Internet mailing list that originates from Fidonet. I
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have managed to breathe new life into some echos that faced certain
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extinction or crippling injuries due to the disappearance from the
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conference of the chatterboxes who made the echo worthwhile, and who
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kept things alive, just by doing what comes naturally.
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Alec Grynspan (1:2424/224, alec@gryn.com) has been kind enough to
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gate several of my echos to the Internet as mailing lists. As
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moderator, I still retain a modicum of control over the echo --
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 5 22 Feb 1999
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users are effectively users on Alec's system, and they cannot
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haphazardly subscribe and unsubscribe -- while at the same time, I
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have opened up the echo to people who might not otherwise have
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access to a local Fidonet node. The most important thing is that
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the conference remains a Fidonet echo, and the talk keeps happening.
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This has had a tremendous effect on an echo like HOLYSMOKE -- I
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have one reader who wouldn't have a chance in hell of reading the
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echo over in Qatar -- and I've gotten a message from one reader of
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MOORCOCK who prefers the Fidonet echo to the spam-filled
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alt.books.moorcock. Sounds like a win-win scenario for all involved.
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If this sounds like an appealing way to kickstart your conference,
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drop Alec a line at one of the addresses I mentioned. Maybe we can
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get enough folks interested that Alec will need a secretary to handle
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the requests. :)
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--Steve Quarrella
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Moderator of A_THEIST, CONCORD, HOLYSMOKE, MOORCOCK, and WHO.
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 6 22 Feb 1999
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NOTICES
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Future History
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12 May 1999
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12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
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10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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10 Sep 1999
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10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
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26 Oct 1999
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Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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21 Sep 2000
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10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 7 22 Feb 1999
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
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FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
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Echomail [pending]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
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List servers:
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http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Region 13:
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Region 14:
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19
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Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Not sure where the following should be placed:
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http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ZEC2:
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Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 8 22 Feb 1999
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
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Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 9 22 Feb 1999
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
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and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
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that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
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should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
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TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
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to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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-----------oOo-------------
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
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1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
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1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
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1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo.
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1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
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1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
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1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
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1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
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1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
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1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
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1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
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1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
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1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
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1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
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1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
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1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
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2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
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2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
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4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
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5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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--
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
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[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
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Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
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Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 10 22 Feb 1999
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available.]
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FIDONEWS 16-08 Page 11 22 Feb 1999
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