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F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 07 15 February 1999
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
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Cat Fight in the Backbone - Douglas Myers ................ 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
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ECHO TALK - Kay Shapero on Cooperation ................... 4
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 5
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5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 6
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6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 10
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 1 15 Feb 1999
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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And you had a good Valentine's Day? Great!
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And what happens now, that Billy is found not guilty? What a circus
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that was. Such a waste of money, only the guys in the US of A can do.
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Well, I suppose it's all part of politics, which only the people in
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Zone 1 can understand. ;-)
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What is happening in Zone 2, Region 29? I believe there are some very
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disgruntled SysOps there, who just had it with their Z2C.
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And my sympathy to all the Jordanians on the loss of their King.
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Read well,
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 2 15 Feb 1999
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Cat Fight in the Backbone
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Cat Fight in the Backbone
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Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, doug@mdtnbbs.com
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Arguments in the BACKBONE echo were described a while back as "Cats
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tossing sand at each other." The cats have abandoned scratching the
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sand in favor of scratching each other :(
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In the last two weeks, John Souvestre has been asked to leave the
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NAB, George Peace has been asked, Ken Wilson has been criticized for
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holding echomail, Butch Walker has been asked to resign as OBO, and
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several other mail movers have been invited to leave. One could
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easily get the impression that these folks don't want to work
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together any more.
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There have been some technical problems, for sure... but the
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arguments have moved beyond problem resolution and into the realm
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of punishment for those who have failed to move the mail in an
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acceptable manner. The conversation has strayed from how to best
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make the mail move for Fidonet as a whole to a discussion on who is
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the "best" mail mover.
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Echomail and Netmail are still moving*, though one questions how
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long it will continue if the mail movers don't want to work with
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each other. Cooperation is especially critical in a hobby, because
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the only real incentive to making things work is the satisfaction
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which each individual derives.
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Figure out how to work together, folks. I don't know how to restore
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enjoyment to the hobby for you all, but I'll make a few suggestions:
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1. Remember the contributions which each of the mail movers has
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made to Fido instead of concentrating on the individual weaknesses
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or failures. Now is a time for restoring the satisfaction to the
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hobby, not a time for picking each other apart.
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2. Concentrate on one technical problem at a time, rather than
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trying to draw a broad principle from each one. Now is a time for
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making things work, not pledging allegiance to policy documents.
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3. Stop asking each other to leave. It's true that Fido could
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probably work without any specific individual, but the "invitations"
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foster an atmosphere where no one will want to pick up the slack.
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A while back, I'd been impressed with echomail from Kay Shapero, so
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I'd saved it. Though it was written before the current round of
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infighting in the BACKBONE echo, it applies. I've submitted it as a
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separate article.
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* Ironically, I was cut off from echomail and netmail for a couple
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 3 15 Feb 1999
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of days this week. So far as I know at this point, it was a local
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problem - My NC couldn't connect with George Peace - and it's been
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resolved, but I was wondering if the big boys had pulled the plug...
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 4 15 Feb 1999
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ARTICLES
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ECHO TALK - Key Shapero on Cooperation
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. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
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| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
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| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
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` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- '
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Kay Shapero on Cooperation
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DM> I remember that cooperation stuff. I think it got replaced by
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DM>P4 about ten years ago :(
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Actually it still goes on (speaking as one of the folks who just
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finished voluntarily notifying every moderator who hadn't checked in
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since the change of echolist keeper, to make sure they knew where to
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mail their updates). What people tend to forget is that P4 is a set
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of operational rules, not laws.
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Operational rules tell you how to do something, and if you don't
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follow them it doesn't get done. Laws tell you what you MUST do (or
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not do) under pain of enforcement. Operational rules can be pretty
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broad, so long as the necessary information appears in sufficient
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detail that the reader can figure out how to do it right. Laws have
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to be incredibly specific, in order to avoid loopholes.
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Operational rules are like explaining to a human being; laws are more
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like programming a computer. And ultimately, operational rules exist
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on the assumption that those involved intend to cooperate, laws on the
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assumption that a significant fraction do NOT.
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I submit that there isn't enough true enforcement power in the
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entirety of FIDOnet to convert it into a true rule by law
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organization, but that the attempt, if carried through forcefully
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enough can kill it. I know I'd be unlikely to hang around... and like
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the rest of us I do have other places to go.
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 5 15 Feb 1999
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NOTICES
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Future History
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16 Feb 1999
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13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
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12 May 1999
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12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
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10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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10 Sep 1999
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10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
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26 Oct 1999
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Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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21 Sep 2000
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10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 6 15 Feb 1999
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
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FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
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Echomail [pending]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
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List servers:
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http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Region 13:
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Region 14:
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19
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Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Not sure where the following should be placed:
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http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ZEC2:
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Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 7 15 Feb 1999
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
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Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 8 15 Feb 1999
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
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and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
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that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
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should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
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TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
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to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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-----------oOo-------------
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
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1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
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1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo.
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1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
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1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
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1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
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1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
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1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
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1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
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1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
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1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
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1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
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1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
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1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
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1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
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2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
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2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
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4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
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5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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--
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
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[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
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Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
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Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 9 15 Feb 1999
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available.]
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Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
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Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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FIDONEWS 16-07 Page 10 15 Feb 1999
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
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Editor: Henk Wolsink
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Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
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Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
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"FidoNews Editor"
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FidoNet 5:5/23
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BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90
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FidoNews Editor
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P.O. Box 12325
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
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INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
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of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
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authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
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