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F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 29 20 July 1998
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Zorch Frezberg 1:205/1701 |
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"This edition published under duress."
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
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Dave Beach's Survey (Methodology) ........................ 2
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Dave Beach's Survey (Results) ............................ 2
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New Fidonet Internet Chat Page ........................... 3
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An announcement of a Party! .............................. 4
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3. COLUMNS .................................................. 6
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The Fidoserf's are revolting ............................. 6
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4. WE GET EMAIL ............................................. 9
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5. NOTICES .................................................. 11
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Future History ........................................... 11
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6. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 12
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FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing .......................... 12
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7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 13
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8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 1 20 Jul 1998
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EDITORIAL
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There are times when there are no words to define or distinguish an
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event or occurrence.
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Rather than a 'middle path', we watch as Fido in Zone 1 swings to one
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extreme, rather than one of moderation.
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History does indeed repeat itself.
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-zf-
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ARTICLES
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Dave Beach's Survey - An Observation on the Methodology
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by Jerry Schwartz, 1:142/928
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Dave Beach's recent survey of RC10 sysops underscores the
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difficulty of using polls to judge public opinion on
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controversial matters.
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First of all, a survey such as this depends upon self-selection:
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only those who want to respond, for whatever reason, are counted.
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The fat, dumb, and happy rarely exert themselves to express their
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apathy. Professional pollsters take special measures to correct
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for this problem, such as contacting a sample of the
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non-respondents face to face to judge their sentiments.
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Second, two questions which are actually getting at the same
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point may be answered very differently, depending upon the
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phrasing. My favorite example is the way people react to "Would
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you want to see your tax dollars used to help the unemployed?"
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vs. "Do you think the government should take money from you and
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give it to people who don't work?"
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In Dave's survey, 83.9% of the respondents said that they agreed
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with the way their NC cast his vote; 87.1% felt that they'd been
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adequately consulted by their NC prior to the vote; but 74.2% are
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unhappy with the results. There are many possible explanations
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for this contradiction, but unfortunately we have no way of
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knowing what's really going on. Did people for some perverse
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reason want their NC to vote for someone they didn't want to win?
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Was the winner considered the lesser of two evils? Did different
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people respond to each question?
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Third, when interpreting the results of the survey it is easy to
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undercut the statistical results by quoting opposing comments.
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Of the 83.9% who agreed with the way their NC voted, did none of
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them comment? (The only two comments quoted were negative.)
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And fourth, the results of a survey can be skewed by people's
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perception of the pollster. Try dressing as a Catholic priest
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and asking people if they believe that all religions deserve
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respect; then try dressing like Ozzie Ozborne and asking the same
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question.
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Dave Beach's Survey - An Observation on the Results
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by Jerry Schwartz, 1:142/928
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My other article comments upon the difficulty of finding out what
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people really think by the strikingly simple but profoundly
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difficult technique of asking them. This article deals with the
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 3 20 Jul 1998
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reported results.
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In his introductory editorial paragraphs, Dave refers to Bob
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Satti as being "maintained in office with the support of
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unelected, appointed Regional Coordinators"; but within the body
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of the survey he asks "Are you aware that it's common practice in
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other Regions to have direct sysop voting for the RC position?" I
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haven't seen the survey itself, so I presume that the editorial
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comments were added when the results were prepared; but even so,
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this suggests a contradiction: is it common practice for RCs to
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be elected directly by sysops, or are the RCs largely unelected
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as Dave implies?
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Also, there have been repeated charges that Bob Kohl has so
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strangled the flow of information within Region 10 that the
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sysops are being kept unaware of what is going on; yet 80.6%
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reported being aware of both a recent PC filed against Bob Kohl
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and the actions of the RECC. That is odd.
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83.9% of the responding sysops agree with the way their Network
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Coordinator voted. Whatever else that means, it says pretty
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clearly that the NCs did not contravene the wishes of those they
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represented. Regardless of whether you believe in direct or
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representative democracy, this survey doesn't suggest that the
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results would have been different if the sysops had voted
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directly.
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Nonetheless, only 12.9% of the responding sysops are satisfied
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with the results of the election. As I said in my other article,
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there's no way of knowing why this discrepancy arose. Of all of
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the results compiled, this is the most troubling statistic. Does
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it mean that people don't think Bob Kohl has done a good job, but
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they want to give him a second chance? Does it mean that they
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don't like Bob Kohl, but they like his opponent even less? Does
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it mean that they aren't satified with Bob Kohl, but were afraid
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to take a chance on any change? Does it mean that there is some
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odd statistical corner case which reconciles all of these
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numbers?
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Finally, 80.6% of the respondents answered that they didn't need
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their identities to be kept confidential; yet the one comment
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which was selected for quotation implied (as has been said over
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and over again by Bob Kohl's opponents) that anyone who speaks
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out in Region 10 is marked for excommunication.
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We should be very careful about letting our preconceptions guide
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us when reading these tea leaves. No one of the questions gives
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anything like a complete picture of the situation; and taken
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together, they are a mass of contradictions. As such, they may
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well represent the opinions they were intended to illuminate.
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FidoChat
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 4 20 Jul 1998
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by Dave Meikle (david.meikle@sodbbs.camelot.co.uk , 2:258/69)
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Last week I developed my web page @ members.xoom.com/Rebeljambo/
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to Run Realtime Java chat so everyone with access to the internet can
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chat about Fidonet online. I thought this would be a good idea so we
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can all have a say. I am also setting up a PowWoW confrence so anyone
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with powWoW can chat as well. Please logon and give it a try. As for
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the PowWoW I will arange a time so everyone that wants to can logon.
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Dave
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A PARTY!!
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Paul Lentz 1:124/5025
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Region19's Poor Man's FidoCon and River Party XI
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July 25-26, 1998 on the Guadalupe River in Texas
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Every year Region19 throws a party so every fidonet member can get a
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chance to see an RC with a beer in each hand, to show and tell the
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most massive hardrive ever made just before seeing who can toss it
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the farthest, to listen to tall tales from Wheeties, and to have a
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general good time. We'd like to invite everyone in Fidonet to come
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and join us 19ers in the fun!
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The Place?
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Whitewater Sports. This is a campground/tube rental place located on
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the Guadalupe River where it dumps out of Canyon Lake, just
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North of New Brunsfels, Texas, and roughly halfway between Austin and
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San Antonio on I-35. The place is pretty big with lots of spaces for
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tents and RVs, with about 75 acres to fill up. Reservations aren't
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required, and they have always said that a large group should not be
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a problem.
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There are "rustic" bathroom facilties (if memory serves me correctly)
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including hot showers and there is a small store there for a few
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scant essentials you might need. If you really need supplies, you
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would probably be better off bringing them with you.
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The Attraction?
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Nice cold water! The water comes straight out of the bottom of a very
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deep lake, and flows at this location around a great mile or so
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horseshoe. This means you can drag your tube from the campsite up the
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main road about a quater mile, get in and liesurely float around to
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the campground again, and plus there are a couple of places where the
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water runs a little bit faster so's you can get dumped out of the
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tube and into the water.
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Added Attraction?
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New Brunfels Texas is close-by and we might wanna run into town for
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some of their great German food on Saturday night.
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 5 20 Jul 1998
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Directions?
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First... Get your butt to Texas! :-) From I-35 exit at EXIT 191
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CANYON LAKE 306. Go NW on 306 about 12 miles till you see Whitewater
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Sports on the right just before a bridge. Look around for us! One of
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us will have a crude hand painted sign that will let you know who we
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are.
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For a few pictures of last years party see Ron Bemis's Web page at
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http://www.iain.com/~rbemis/
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also for a couple of pictures and link to a map of the area see
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http://www.startext.net/np/net124/pmfc&rp.htm
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Info and Rules:
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$15 per vehicle per night (tent)
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$18 per vehicle per night with electricity (wimps)
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$6 per day plus a $5 deposit to rent a tube
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$8 per day plus a $10 deposit to rent a tube with a bottom thingy
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The Phone number at Whitewater Sports is 830-964-3800
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NO PETS are allowed at Whitewater Sports so leave your real Fido at
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home.
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NO LOUD NOISE is allowed at Whitewater Sports after 10pm.
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NO GLASS or STYROFOAM is allowed in the river.
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There is work going on at the dam and recent rains or lack thereof is
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effecting water levels as regulated by the Army Corps of Engineers.
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It is customary for them to bring the flow up to around 300 cfs on
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weekends to keep the fun going though. Whitewater suggests that if
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the water level is really important to you, that you call them before
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hand as they can update you.
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COMPUTERS AND RADIOS are discouraged (they'll probably end up in the
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river).
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Beer and Bratwurst is highly encouraged.
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Bringing Single unattached female friends with low tolerence for
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alcohol is highly encouraged.
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Clothes may or may not be required (check your mirror).
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Those funky "Lake Shoes" and sunblock are recommended.
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San Marcos and San Antonio are not too far away so any Hotel/Airport
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WEENIES should be able to find accomadations/transport
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allowing them to attend.
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Hope to see everybody there!
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*Paul*
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COLUMNS
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Dear Editorbeing,
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This article was submitted by Doc Logger(163/110) who
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managed to spend a whole week at home. The front lawn of his
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house was choked with Ilana vines and a small community of
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badgers had taken up residence on the front porch.
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Roll da flic, Zorch....
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Dear Reverend Visage,
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There were a couple of approaches I could take to the events
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of the last week. My first inclination was to gloat and
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assert that a victory had been achieved but in practical
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terms what has unfolded has more tragic dimensions.
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In a nutshell, the events of the past week are as follows. A
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whole net in Region10 pulled up stakes and moved to
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Region12. They did so because they could no longer
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countenance the behaviour of Bob Kohl. When the new entries
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in the nodelist were published, Satti responded almost
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immediately and demanded of the Region12 RC that the nodes
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be removed from the Region12 segment. Satti went further and
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said that if the R12C didn't remove the refugees, that Satti
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would edit the nodelist segment himself. In response,
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Region12 prepared to issue an entirely new nodelist which
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would have corrected any editing attempts by Satti. When
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several of the backbone echomail distributors and the Z2C
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agreed to distribute the new nodelist, Satti was
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emasculated. For the first time since the Peefour brigands
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hijacked Fidonet, the sysops were able to make Satti
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irrelevant and refuse to be bullied by his idiocy.
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Whether Satti responded to the speeding train, or whether he
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independently changed his mind makes little difference. The
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Region10 refugees graciously accepted Satti's offer of a
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geographic exemption which obviated the need for a nodelist
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showdown. Satti's lack of management skills as the issue
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unfolded are only a minor part of the tragedy.
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The real issue is what became of Bob Kohl, who started out
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as a sysop, and who eventually held some of the highest
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titles in Zone 1 (being both an RC and the ZEC.) It appears
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that Kohl will lose both titles in the coming week. The
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question that puzzled me was: How could Bob have gone from
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being a helpful sysop (as accounts of his earlier Fidonet
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existence attest) to one of the most odious miscreants on
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the landscape? I think the answer to the question lies in
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the same realm that explains the behaviour of Richard Nixon.
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 7 20 Jul 1998
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Both Kohl & Nixon lacked the sense of self-worth requisite
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to ignoring the urge for retribution against their enemies.
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They mistook attainment of power for the need to act
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responsibly. Like Nixon, Kohl had sycophantic toadies
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leading him to acts of venality. And like Nixon, Kohl
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believed that those who exposed his egregious behaviour were
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enemies of Fidonet.
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Another part of the tragedy is that we have seen David
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Bowerman labouring in the Z1C echo, like Ron Ziegler,
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trying to justify the notion that *Cs have the right screw
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sysops because Peefour grants those powers. What is missing
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from Bowerman's messages is a sense that ethics and justice
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are overriding concerns that ought to take a primary place
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to a slavish adherence to policy. Bowerman was calling on
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the R12C to resign because messages from Satti threatening
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nodes in region12 had been crossposted into the regional
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echo. Bowerman didn't see the irony in the fact that only
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despots fear having their actions publicized. It is more
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than a little pathetic to see relics of Satti's regime cling
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by their fingernails in the fading days of their abuse of
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Fidonet.
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I'm going to digress a bit and gum a few mashed bananas
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about the ancient days when I was NC of our net. I was
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elected in a fractious period where the newly foisted
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Peefour was used by every mouthbreathing cretin with an ax
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to grind. I campaigned on the statement that anyone who
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filed a policy complaint was de facto, "too easily annoyed"
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and that Peefour was not the law of Fidoland. The relevant
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part of this reminiscing has to do with the use and abuse of
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power. There was a sysop in our net who whined incessantly
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about everything and filed policy complaints on an almost
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weekly basis. This individual would dutifully quote every
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obscenity he found and then demand that something be done to
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clean up Fidonet. I truly loathed the man, particularly
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since he was one of the first in our net to quote every
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message like a crack-crazed banshee. One day it occurred to
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me that as NC, and if I accepted the cretin's notions of
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Peefour, that I could bounce him from the net. I was sorely
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tempted. The temptation and the fact that I spent a few
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nanoseconds contemplating action led me to conclude that the
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powers granted to *Cs under Peefour was a poisonous and
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almost irresistible slide towards the wrong sort of
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management.
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Our net had a subsequent NC who wasted no time at all on
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using his presumed powers to attempt revenge on his enemies.
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That NC was eventually recalled by a sysop level vote when
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the excesses became too great to stomach.
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The point of this reminiscing is that in nets or regions
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with no democratic traditions, the tendency for power to
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corrupt absolutely is quite severe. Both Kohl and Satti
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succumbed to the inevitable because they both slavishly
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adhere to Peefour which is a document which guarantees their
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 8 20 Jul 1998
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isolation from accountability.
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In an ideal world, Satti would recognize that he has lost
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the confidence of a large part of Zone 1 and call a sysop
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level election for a replacement. I have little faith that
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Satti will recognize political reality and expect that he
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will continue to blunder his way through another set of
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profound management errors. It has been months since Satti
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posted messages in the Z1C echo and it appears that he will
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keep hiding in his bunker, sheltered from reality.
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I must go Visage, Bob Moravsik has invited me to play in the
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"Budfoon's Tuba Marching Band" and you know how insanely
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jealous he gets when someone disrupts his bottom-feeding
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frenzies. I shall make your apologies for being unable to
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attend Walloonetta's graduation ceremonies and explain that
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the amount of Kava you ingested left you immobile for the
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whole week.
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Regards,
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Doc Logger,
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Furlang Island,
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South Pacific
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WE GET EMAIL
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0400
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From: ArnieS <ArnieS@prodigy.net>
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To: Zorch Frezberg <editor@fidonews.org>
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Subject: Fido1528 Bob Kohl Article: "Story of Statistics"
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Letter to the Editor:
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I began reading Bob Kohl's article. When I read:
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"I'm sure that Dave couldn't possible accept the fact that there are
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many NCs in Reg 10 that seem to little if any problems in the way
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Reg 10 has worked these past years."
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my concentration began to wane. I've only now divined "that seem to
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little if any problems" translates to "that see few if any problems".
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That took several minutes and I'm still not sure my translation is
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correct.
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I pressed on. In his next paragraph I read:
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"It's interesting to note that Dave little submission to the Snooze
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and in the echos runs almost on a par with those of Spiro Agnew many
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years ago."
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At this point my mind boggled and came to a halt. I've been reading
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Spiro Agnew for years and echoes and this newsletter for years.
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Never have I read anything by Agnew in an echo or this newsletter.
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Thank you for publishing this article by Bob Kohl. I never did get to
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the statistics. I won't be reading any more Bob Kohl.
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--
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...Arnie in the Hudson Valley town of Hurley, NY.
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Subject: your editorial of 13 July
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:29:25 -0700
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From: "David Hallford" <hallford@thevision.net>
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To: <editor@fidonews.org>
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Hi Zorch,
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I don't have any old messages hanging around to check with since
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I don't archive, but I beleive I said that I wouldn't return to
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Region10 while Bob Kohl was RC10. I may be wrong, but that's what I
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remember.
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If you wish to accuse me of something I think you would be better
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off talking about the 2 times i returened to Region 10 while Bob Kohl
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was RC10.
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 10 20 Jul 1998
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The 1st time I used your real name to mess with your serenity since
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you persist in attacking people while hiding behind an alias.
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The 2nd time was to support the opposition candidate in an
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election. Within 6 hours of the nodelist coming out, Bob Kohl had
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notified everyone that I was not to have a feed to R10SYSOP. I guess
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he didn't want any opposition to him, or any support for the other
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candidate voiced where the region could see it.
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take care,
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Dave
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NOTICES
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Future History
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25 Jul 1998
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SUPCon, Swedish FidoNet Convention at Sannabaden,
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Jankaping, Sweden.
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14 Sep 1998
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Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
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22 Sep 1998
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First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
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1 Dec 1998
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Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
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Tom Jennings.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 12 20 Jul 1998
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FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY
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FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing
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File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:205/1701] or download it from
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IKVHFoT! BBS at 1-209-251-7529 anytime Zone 1 ZMH at 300-9600+ V34.
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The FidoNews key is also available on the FidoNews homepage listed
|
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in the Masthead information.
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 13 20 Jul 1998
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=================================================================
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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=================================================================
|
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|
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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============
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
|
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WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
|
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FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
|
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Echomail [pending]
|
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WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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============
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Region 13: none
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Region 14: none
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Region 15: none
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Region 16: none
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Region 17: none
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Region 18: http://techstop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
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============
|
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
ZEC2:
|
||
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/
|
||
|
||
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
||
|
||
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
|
||
|
||
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
||
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 14 20 Jul 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 25:
|
||
http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
|
||
|
||
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
|
||
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
||
|
||
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
|
||
|
||
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (Swiss?)
|
||
|
||
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
|
||
|
||
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
||
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
|
||
|
||
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
||
|
||
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
|
||
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4
|
||
|
||
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
|
||
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
|
||
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
|
||
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
|
||
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
|
||
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
|
||
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 15 20 Jul 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
|
||
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 16 20 Jul 1998
|
||
|
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
|
||
=================================================================
|
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|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
|
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|
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Editor: Zorch Frezberg
|
||
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
||
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
|
||
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker
|
||
|
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"FidoNews Editor"
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FidoNet 1:1/23
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||
BBS 1-209-251-7529, 300/1200/2400/9600/V.34/V.90
|
||
|
||
more addresses:
|
||
Zorch Frezberg -- 1:205/1701, zorch@repairnet.com
|
||
zorch@qnis.net
|
||
zorch@kumr.lns.com
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address)
|
||
FidoNews Editor
|
||
P.O. Box 642
|
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Fresno, CA 93709-0642
|
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U.S.A.
|
||
|
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|
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voice: 1-209-446-9038 [voice mail = 'blind' numbers not returned]
|
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|
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|
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|
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
|
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INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
|
||
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
|
||
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|
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|
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these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
|
||
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|
||
|
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||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
|
||
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|
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INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
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|
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|
||
ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/
|
||
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
|
||
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews
|
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|
||
And in non-English formats via:
|
||
|
||
http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
|
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FIDONEWS 15-29 Page 18 20 Jul 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
|
||
|
||
Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
|
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||
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|
||
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|
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
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|
||
|
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|
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|
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|
||
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|
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|
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||
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|
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"Disagreement is actually necessary,
|
||
or we'd all have to get in fights
|
||
or something to amuse ourselves
|
||
and create the requisite chaos."
|
||
-Tom Jennings
|
||
|
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