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F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 15 13 April 1998
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-209-251-7529 [1:1/23] |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Zorch Frezberg 1:205/1701 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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******* WE NOW HAVE AN IC! ******
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. OFFICIAL NOTICES ......................................... 2
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IC ELECTION NOTICE ....................................... 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
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R10C Assumes New Duties .................................. 3
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WELFARE for the AMIGA_LC! YES!! .......................... 4
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4. COLUMNS .................................................. 6
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The Planet of 300 Foot Pinocchios ........................ 6
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5. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 14
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Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 100 ...... 14
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6. NOTICES .................................................. 15
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Future History ........................................... 15
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7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 16
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FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing .......................... 16
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8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 17
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9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 19
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 1 13 Apr 1998
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EDITORIAL
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We have a new International Coordinator for FidoNet, it seems.
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This brings us to a point to sit back and reflect on a few things,
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not the least of which is the ongoing polarization of FidoNet between
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those who profess democracy versus those who claim that they are
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carrying it out.
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What good does it do to foment a _destructive_ anarchy, when a
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constructive and cooperative one works so much better?
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I note with irony that so many claim to be against the "political
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games" and "power trips"...and yet, so many of those complaining are
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using those same things that they complain about to obtain exactly
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what it is that they claim to be against.
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And, as with any other situation, it does help to be a bit more aware
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of the _facts_ than to listen to only one side and act.
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Perhaps we should all adhere more to the ideas that Tom Jennings put
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forth, and as quoted at the end of each issue of FidoNews.
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In the News...
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Apologies for the delay in releasing this issue, but RanD left me a
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heller of a formatting problem...another reason why it is important
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to follow the ARTSPEC.DOC format. RanD also submitted another
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article, but it was not complete, and has been sent to him for
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clarification. Rather that be accused of censorship once more, the
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article as received will be posted, with a correction hoped for next
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week.
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As a consequence, any article not submitted in accordance with
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ARTSPEC.DOC will most likely be delayed at least one week from time
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of submission, if extensive formatting is required.
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The usual diatribes, the ubiquitous "doomsday" clock from Ward, and
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a genuine article or two.
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-zf-
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 2 13 Apr 1998
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OFFICIAL NOTICES
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IC ELECTION NOTICE
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It is with pleasure to inform all SysOp's, the ZC's have at
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long last managed to select a new International Coordinator.
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By a majority, current Zone 1 Coordinator Bob Satti, is the
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new IC.
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We congratulate him.
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It took many months to select a new IC and believe me, there
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was some heated discussions going on in the ZCC echo during
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this time.
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The ZCC can now continue with it's task ahead.
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Signed by:
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Bob Satti Z1C
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Ward Dosshe Z2C
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Alwyn Smith Z3C
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Luis Manterola Z4C
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Henk Wolsink Z5C
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Kazuyoshi Shinada Z6C
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[Submitted by Z5C, Henk Wolsink via E-Mail]
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 3 13 Apr 1998
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ARTICLES
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R10C Assumes New Duties
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by Gerry Calhoun, 1:2004/200 gerry@petpride.org
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The R10C, Bob Kohl, seems to enjoy taking on new duties. If you
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recall he was just recently confirmed by Bob Satti in the past ZEC
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election. Soon after that, his REC, David Hallford, submitted his
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resignation as R10EC. David was kind enough to give three weeks
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notice to Kohl so that Kohl could arrange for a replacement for the
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R10EC position. Those three weeks have since passed and Region 10 has
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been without a REC in the NODELIST for three additional weeks.
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In his credit, in the past six weeks, Bob has told folks in the
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regional admin echo a couple times that he is talking to someone
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in Northern California about the position. Not whom he was talking
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to or anything else of substance, just that he was talking to someone.
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While he has been talking (for 6 weeks), he has decided to take on
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another responsibility, that of nodelist editor. He, as R10C, has
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decided to remove the NEC from Net 2004. This was not done due to her
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not fulfilling her duties as NEC, but rather because she is critical
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of his actions and inaction as R10C. His removal of her was done
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quickly and efficiently. He simply removed the UNEC flag at the end
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of her 1:2004/201 entry in the nodelist. He did not inform either her
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or the NC before he took this action.
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Kohl's efforts just last February to remove her were opposed by the
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former R10EC when Kohl approached David Hallford on this matter. That
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was one of the reasons David stated that he could not function as the
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R10EC. This action by Hallford showed that he was able to put personal
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feelings aside when it came to work as he and the NEC in question
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(Ruth Argust) had some quite heated exchanges during the recent ZEC
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election campaign. As I understand it, Kohl, upon becoming the Z1EC,
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asked as one of his first questions to the RECC, how he could remove
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an NEC. I heard that the consensus of the RECC was that he could not.
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Kohl seems to think it is important to take care of editing a net's
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nodelist segment and that it is one of his duties. On the other
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hand, he ignores the fact that one of the nets in his region has a
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still nodelisted NC who sent him a message in December giving him
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thirty days notice that he was shutting down his BBS. He did so on
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December 31,1997. The nodes in that net now have no NC and Kohl
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should have either see to a replacement, merged them into another
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net or moved them regional. It appears that since Net 204 does not
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talk badly about Kohl they are not a problem, the fact that they do
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not talk at all is irrelevant.
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On the other side of the coin, we have a net with ONE node in it. Net
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2003 for some time has had only one node in it. The system listed as
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1:2003/2 has had a disconnected number for months. The other nodes
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for that net all refer to the same system.
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 4 13 Apr 1998
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While on the topic of the nodelist, it should also be known that Kohl
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has taken on a new hat under an assumed name. In Bob's home Net 102
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segment, there is an improper flag of NEC with no preceding U. This
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in and of itself is not a great cause for concern. However, the fact
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that the nodelisted NEC is not in reality the NEC having resigned
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sometime ago is a bit questionable. Even more questionable is the
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listing for 102/2 that has traditionally been the Net 102 mail
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machine. The listing for this node is as follows:
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,2,SoCalNet_EC,Los_Angeles_CA,Echomail_Coordinator,1-310-553-6379...
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If we were to simply go by the listed system and sysop name, it would
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appear that this is the NEC for net 102 and that the NC had simply
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overlooked removing the NEC flag after the former NEC resigned.
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However, upon closer investigation calling 1:102/2 reports a sysop of
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Pat Paulsen, a known "hero" of Bob Kohl, a man whom Kohl admires. In
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fact, you may remember that Bob had even made an entry in the nodelist
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last year in the R10 regional section for Kohl's phone number with
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Paulsen listed as sysop. Further investigation has shown that Kohl is
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attempting to run the mail machine from his home, along with all of
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his other duties but for almost THREE MONTHS has not been able to get
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it functioning because he can not configure the software. Thus, the
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Net 102 CRP has no backbone echomail, no local echomail and it has
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been reported that their routed netmail is also non-functional.
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Almost THREE MONTHS to set up a mailer? I think if you locked twenty
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chimpanzees in a room with twenty computers loaded with the software
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for a week, one of them would have hit enough of the right keys to
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get a mail machine working.
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This, folks, is what our new Z1EC has been up to. One of the duties
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assigned to him as ZEC per the duty list he had a large hand in
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creating, is overseeing the formation of a Zone 1 Echomail Policy.
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If you have followed what has happened in FIDOECHOPOL, the echo
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created to assist in the formation of said policy, you have seen it
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degenerate into chaos because of the rules, published and unpublished
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there. The one question that has been repeatedly asked by the
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participants is why an echo policy is needed but this has been
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declared off topic.
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This, my friends, is some of what our R10C and new Z1EC has been up
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to and what he has not been up to. It appears he has plenty of time
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to work in the backroom without enough time to work in front of us,
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doing what he has been charged with for the various positions he
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holds. Lately he has been claiming that real life has not been giving
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him enough time to perform his FidoNet duties. Let's hope that before
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he gives us more of his attention that someone explains to him that
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the "C" in his titles stand for COORDINATOR, not CONTROLLER and that
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when he devotes more time to us, it is in the front room instead of
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the back.
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> > > WELFARE for the AMIGA_LC! YES!! < < <
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Two old-time echos who have been decaying away without
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any traffic are OUT OF TRACTION AND B-B-BACK-IN-ACTION!
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 5 13 Apr 1998
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WELFARE: an all out argue-and-debate over the U.S. welfare
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system. Where it was, is, and will be. If its
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broken. How to fix it.
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AMIGA_LC: using C and C++ on the Amiga. Compliers, libraries,
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tips, tricks, and more.
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If you aren't areafixing these echoes, WHY NOT?
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If you aren't reading these echos, WHY NOT?
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Both available on the Z1 NAB.
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-- Ronnie Grant at 1:3603/140
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or ronnie.grant@global.dyn.ml.org
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 6 13 Apr 1998
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COLUMNS
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The Planet of 300 Foot Pinocchios - by Doc Logger
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Dear Editorbeing,
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This article is submitted by Doc Logger (163/110) who was
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busy trying to decipher the extraterrestrial signals sent by
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Bill Whitehorse. As near as could be translated, the
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messages said: "Don't talk to plants when the moon is full"
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but that could be an error due to Sunspot interference with
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the transmissions.
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Roll da flic, Zorch.....
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Dear Reverend Visage,
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The week has passed with the usual amusements provided by
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the same cast of Fido elflords. It seems that all of
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Fidoland is soon to be ruled by Bob Satti who assembled
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enough votes to become IC. It is only a minor trifle that
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Satti didn't deign to ask his own zone who they would prefer
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and hasn't obtained a mandate to act as Z1C. Ward Dossche,
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Z2C, who possessed both an electoral mandate and a consensus
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of the Zone 2 sysops was brushed aside in the stampede to
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ensure that representative democracy is kept at bay for
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another year at least. Triples all round at the ZCC
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conference and may the farce be with them.
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What is more remarkable about the selection of Satti is that
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he was busily mischaracterizing Dossche's position in the
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Z1C echo, and then had a minor pouty fit when Dossche posted
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corrections to Satti's nosestretchers. Satti wasn't alone
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however, because our lil' buddy Dallas "Pinocchio" Hinton,
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R17C was trying to defend having stuffed $een-bys into
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echomail traffic. Poor Dallas was also caught telling fibs
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about the topic of discussions in the Z1REGCON echo but used
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the quite incredible explanation for his duplicity that the
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Z1REGCON echo wasn't open to the public anyway. Visage,
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you've had more experience with Nixon than I have, but is
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situational ethics endemic in all walks of political life?
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Jerry Swartz, R16C, tried to float the same outrageous
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dissemblings and we can only hope that his explanations are
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as entertaining as Hinton's.
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Not to be outdone, our very own Zorch chose to parse some of
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Dossche's messages a little differently than the rest of the
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universe and managed to discern hints that Dossche was
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trying to stifle free speech. The truly hilarious part of
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Zorch's rant is the fact that what he incorrectly accuses
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Dossche, Zorch appears to be doing with his warnings to Ruth
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 7 13 Apr 1998
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Argust about flying an appropriate mailer flag on a shared
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system. I'm not sure that irony is in Zorch's vocabulary but
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it certainly abounds in the splendour of his messages and
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editorials.
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For this week's Chautauqua I'll lead off with a quote from
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Niccolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" which is a sort of primer
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for the expedient and cynical forms of governance.
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"How laudable is it for a prince to keep his word and govern
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actions by integrity rather than trickery will be understood
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by all. Nonetheless we have in our times seen great things
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accomplished by many princes who have thought little of
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keeping their promises and have known the art of mystifying
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the minds of men. Such princes have won out over those whose
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actions were based on fidelity to their word."
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And one more quote from Dallas Hinton, R17C, writing about
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the qualifications for a ZC:
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"As far as *I'm* concerned, only a current RC is even
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remotely qualified for the job. The average NC could no
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more be a successful ZC than walk to the moon."
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In the selection of Satti as IC, I think we have seen this
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Machiavellian principle employed with predictable
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consequences. On the one hand, Satti was bleating that he
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couldn't entertain legitimate requests for representative
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democracy because he was "saddled with policy" and on the
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other hand explaining that the previous IC had been elected
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by an "extension" to policy. What was sauce for the goose
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apparently isn't sauce for the gander. We had the amazing
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spectacle of the Z5C whose Zone numbers 86 sysops, casting
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an equal vote to the Z2C whose zone numbers 14,000 sysops.
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The Z5C's vote was made even more amusing by the fact that
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he was telling the FN_SYSOP mob that he was a keen supporter
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of representative democracy. Clearly, he is clueless as to
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the meaning of the words.
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We also have the quote from Hinton, R17C, who demonstrates
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an utter disdain for the abilities of NCs, and one wonders
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what opinion he actually holds about sysops. Hinton was one
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of the Great Minds who ensured that Satti wouldn't need to
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suffer the *inconvenience* of a sysop vote.
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I think what was more tragic about the IC election is that
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it could have provided a mechanism to chart the course of
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Fidonet's future. The issue of the declining nodelist and
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the reasons for sysop disenchantment could have been
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addressed and perhaps remedied. Unfortunately, we are now to
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be "led" by Satti whose imagination appears limited to the
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non-responsive, monosyllabic grunts which have become his
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means of communication in the Z1C echo. It was probably too
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much to hope for that the ZCs would at least spend some
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 8 13 Apr 1998
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effort on the future of Fidonet rather than entrenching
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another elflord who will replace insight with an orison that
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he is bound by policy.
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Since humility was never one of my vices, I'd like to
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suggest that one of the most pressing problems confounding
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Fidonet is the quality of messages that are entered. How can
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we ever hope to compete with the eye-candy of Internet when
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we are creating vistas of sludge in our echos with their
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antfarm collections of quotes and emoticons sandwiched
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between words that rarely resemble full sentences or
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sentient thought. Does no one have any pride in what they
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write? Does no one possess the skills to write a cogent
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thought in a coherent fashion? Will someone please tell me
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that Forrest Gump hasn't been cloned and set loose on
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thousands of computers?
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At this juncture I would like to include the full text of
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two messages that I sent to Zorch Frezberg. As the
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Snoozlord, I'm sure that he will have the first and last
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word on the issue but I feel that the entirety of my
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messages should be reproduced.
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"To: Zorch Frezberg
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Subject: Zorched earth policy?
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If you read FIDOECHOPOL you might notice that after I raised
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my initial concerns, I stopped posting in that echo because
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I didn't have anything more to say. Incredibly, I agree
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that arguing over a "blank page" is futile other than
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advancing the first belief that the page should remain
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blank.
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I do have a genuine concern about Fidonet. I also realize
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that it is relatively easy for you to discount what I say
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by trivializing it as "rabble rousing" for the hell of it.
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I guess it depends on which side of the wall you happen to
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be on when the arrows start flying.
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I was as vociferous about the various OBO, NAB, BOFAQ
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"policy" initiatives as I am about the current infestation
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of policymongers. When the ZEC tried to take echomail out
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from *C control, I saved my wit and worked to establish
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alternative routing to do an end run around the bastards.
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I don't agree with removing the Tom Jennings trademarks but
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I see the issue as meaningless anyway. Tom is the only one
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who could assert claims to those trademarks and he has
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publicly declared that he doesn't intend to do so, other
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than speaking up to preclude someone else from claiming that
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right. You are wrong, by the way, about "violating
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international treaties and accords." Since my legal weasel
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was already inclined to rack up billable hours on my
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behalf, I had her research the issue. The Berne Convention
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 9 13 Apr 1998
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applies *if* trademarks are registered in the applicable
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countries. The convention merely prevents someone else from
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registering his trademarks in Germany, but until Jennings
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*does* register them, they have no effect and - read closely
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here - falsely asserting a trademark in Germany (or Canada,
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or England, and perhaps others) is illegal.
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I am dismayed that Fidonet has been partially usurped by
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commercial entities, but since there are a number of them,
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monopoly control hasn't happened. In fact, with FTP
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connections, the limited *potential* for control has been
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diminished substantially.
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You mischaracterize my motives when you say that my actions
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indicate "an effort to cause destructive chaos." Anarchism
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doesn't mean chaos. Perhaps you and I disagree on our
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levels of optimism. You apparently subscribe to Burke's
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theory of governance where the "swinish mob" shouldn't be
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trusted with their own choices, whereas I subscribe to
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Paine's notion that choice is an inalienable right. (The
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Constitutions of your country and mine tend to enshrine the
|
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rights of which I speak.)
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I see the process of establishing accountability of *Cs as
|
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constructive. As far as I know, I'm only "acting in
|
||
concert" with people because they share the same goals. My
|
||
only *power* is one of suasion, whereas the *Cs who are
|
||
balking at accountability are armed with their presumptive
|
||
powers to control the nodelist. As a small footnote, I am
|
||
occasionally more embarrassed by the people who agree with
|
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me, than those who oppose me...but anyone who accepts
|
||
democracy or anarchism acknowledges the right of others to
|
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say what they please. On that same note, you might also
|
||
have noticed that I have been very quick to chastise those
|
||
cretins who would join a lynch mob to remove you as the
|
||
Snoozlord.
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|
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Your point is well taken that there may be a majority of
|
||
sysops who are happy with the status quo. I don't presume
|
||
to speak for them, but I do seek to *persuade* them. In
|
||
almost all cases, I could blithely ignore the *Cs because
|
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their influence on my enjoyment of the hobby is minimal. My
|
||
recent emergence from somnolence has *everything* to do
|
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with the fact that the ZC was musing about nuking our
|
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entire net from the nodelist over the childish antics of a
|
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few sysops. It occurred to me that if the *Cs were prepared
|
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to be that Draconian in their response, then perhaps it was
|
||
time to disarm the *Cs so that their lack of wisdom
|
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wouldn't be inflicted on me.
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In truth I don't know if Dossche is a wolf in sheep's
|
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clothing because my only evidence is reading a few
|
||
messages. What I *do* know is that you and a few others
|
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have consistently mischaracterized his position, and resort
|
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to vile insults, which leads me to conclude that he
|
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represents more promise than his detractors. You seem to
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 10 13 Apr 1998
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see "control" devolving to Europe, as though the sysops
|
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there represent some sort of block. I see "control"
|
||
devolving to sysops and it matters little to me where they
|
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live. One of the promises of Fidonet was that it would
|
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create a community of sysops who lived all over the planet.
|
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|
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To: Zorch Frezberg
|
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Subject: brimstone and sulfur
|
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I think as a first premise in our discussion we should agree
|
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that neither of us represent a lumpen group for whose
|
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actions we're personally responsible. What the rest of
|
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net163 chooses to do is beyond my control, and also beyond
|
||
my desire to control. Similarly, it wouldn't be appropriate
|
||
to include Reg10 sysops as something for which you are
|
||
responsible. As a matter of record, there are a great many
|
||
things that net163 sysops do or have done that I don't
|
||
agree with but I adamantly defend their right to do as they
|
||
choose.
|
||
|
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On ECHPOLOL: You haven't answered a very simple question
|
||
which is: what problems will be solved by the creation of
|
||
more policy? Until you do that, common sense seems to
|
||
indicate that you're riding a headless horse which *may*
|
||
produce a happy result but the odds are against it. I've
|
||
read your posts, including the one which appeared today,
|
||
and you seem to begin with an a priori assumption that a
|
||
document is required. I remain unconvinced, and as I said,
|
||
I'm not posting in the echo because I have nothing
|
||
substantive to say on that issue.
|
||
|
||
You said "You *have* a wall to hide behind." Which wall
|
||
would that be?
|
||
|
||
You also said that don't have friends to hide behind. I
|
||
agree with you there and I don't recall ever asserting
|
||
otherwise.
|
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|
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I'm not sure it would be illuminative to trade war stories
|
||
about which people we've respectively *battled* over the
|
||
history of Fidonet, but on the issue of the OBO/ NAB/
|
||
BOFAQ, you merely have to read back issues of the Snooz to
|
||
obtain my opinions that were expressed at the time. (One in
|
||
particular, titled "Who *are* those guys?" might help you.)
|
||
|
||
If you could quote me the relevant section of the WIPO
|
||
treaty I would be pleased to tell my lawyer that she has
|
||
given me incorrect advice. My message did indicate that the
|
||
trademark copyright problem occurs in Germany so perhaps
|
||
they aren't yet signatories?
|
||
|
||
John Souvestre *controls* echomail only to the extent that
|
||
people choose to use his services for routing. For a good
|
||
part of 1995 I was sending the whole Backbone direct to
|
||
Montana so that they wouldn't have to contend with a local
|
||
despot. I sent a good chunk of the backbone to Vienna on my
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 11 13 Apr 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
dime in the early 90's for exactly the same reasons. If
|
||
either you or I felt that any of the echomail relays were
|
||
misbehaving, it would be a trivial exercise to pick up the
|
||
entire backbone via Internet connections.
|
||
|
||
I would guess that your private netmail from Dossche is more
|
||
"threatening" than his public messages. Even the snippets
|
||
that you posted in FIDONEWS don't support your assertion
|
||
that he was filing a policy complaint. Just so's you know,
|
||
the characterizations of Dossche as being some sort of
|
||
fascist aren't born out by his public messages. You don't
|
||
understand the meaning of the word if you believe that
|
||
exercising his mandate from his Zone, with their specific
|
||
approval on the IC issue, constitutes any sort of totalism.
|
||
|
||
We can trade invective all day about whether my admiration
|
||
for anarchy is "destructive" or "constructive." I think
|
||
what we need are specifics in terms of what you think it
|
||
will destroy and then perhaps I can respond by estimating
|
||
whether the loss is a good or bad thing. To start off, I
|
||
think that it will create cooperation out of necessity.
|
||
|
||
I don't recall accusing someone of molesting animals or
|
||
children or was your reference to those issues some sort of
|
||
Straw Man that was meant to subdue my arguments?
|
||
|
||
I admit that I am given to hyperbole and a belittling tone
|
||
in a number of my messages. I don't suffer fools gladly and
|
||
I'm not shy about telling people that. If you can give me
|
||
an example of something that I have "mischaracterized"
|
||
about you, then I'd be happy to correct it.
|
||
|
||
I don't apologize for my education nor for using knowledge
|
||
in my messages. I don't feel inclined to "dumb down" my
|
||
discourse for a presumed lowest common denominator. Your
|
||
"Whoopee do" paragraph was what? Faint praise? Jealousy?
|
||
Gawd knows what it was. We both agree that Paine believed in
|
||
choice as an inalienable right to the extent that your
|
||
rights didn't intrude on mine. Can you point out where I've
|
||
said otherwise?
|
||
|
||
You should read the Snooz more often, but the quote from
|
||
Paine speaks specifically to the issue of "governance" and
|
||
where "governance" obtains its legitimacy. I suggest you
|
||
read the whole book by Paine because he has a great deal to
|
||
say about whether "governance" is grandfathered upon future
|
||
generations simply because one generation formed a compact
|
||
to be governed.
|
||
|
||
No, your choice of two public posts does not prove that
|
||
Dossche believes in the suppression of free speech. You
|
||
also ought to read his message in the Z1C echo where he
|
||
also took pains to explain that his concerns should be
|
||
addressed but not be the cause for excommunication. I
|
||
believe in free speech - specifically your right to use
|
||
value-laden language likening Dossche to a Nazi regime. I
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 12 13 Apr 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
also believe that your use of such terms is vile, just as I
|
||
believe that using the "n" word to describe blacks or the
|
||
"k" word to describe Jews; are vile. Your value system
|
||
differs from mine, which is fine, and I would also defend
|
||
your right to say those things while maintaining my right
|
||
to tell you that the words are despicable.
|
||
|
||
On the matter of my naivete about Dossche. When his posts
|
||
started showing up they looked reasonable. I netmailed ten
|
||
sysops (more or less randomly chosen) in his Zone and asked
|
||
questions. I got 8 responses, all of which were positive. I
|
||
netmailed Dossche directly and got answers to my questions.
|
||
On that basis, I ascertained that his platform was worthy
|
||
of support. What more could I do to educate myself? Now,
|
||
contrast that with my experiences with Satti who rarely
|
||
answers a question in a straightforward manner and has no
|
||
substance to his platform and no mandate to advance what
|
||
little he offers.
|
||
|
||
I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that you would
|
||
feel intimidated by anything let alone a presumed threat of
|
||
a policy complaint. I don't know what its like on your end
|
||
of the political spectrum but I count it as a slow week if
|
||
my Snooz articles don't generate at least a couple of policy
|
||
complaint threats and the odd threat of personal injury.
|
||
Hell, socially maladroit people have been known to threaten
|
||
policy complaints over the mailer where a message
|
||
originated (cough).
|
||
|
||
I don't claim to *represent* the "common man." I represent
|
||
an idea which I hope will be appealing and I fully expect
|
||
other sysops to act according to their beliefs. It bears
|
||
repeating that the only tool in my arsenal is one of
|
||
persuasion - I'm a <RETURN> key away from being powerless.
|
||
The idea that I support is the one that founded Fidonet and
|
||
worked very well for Fidonet until the first infestation of
|
||
policymongers.
|
||
|
||
I've often joked about the fact that you and I are similar
|
||
in temperament but just happen to live on opposite poles of
|
||
the political spectrum. My ideal version of Fidonet
|
||
suggests that there is not only room for both of us, but
|
||
that we both have the freedom to express our opinions. Where
|
||
we essentially disagree is in the extent to which we are
|
||
willing to give up freedom to either "policy" or *Cs. When
|
||
I joined Fidonet, there was no requirement to give up
|
||
freedoms to either of those "authorities" and I'd like to
|
||
see Fidonet returned to that condition.
|
||
|
||
I'll grant that the current crop of elflords are pissants
|
||
compared to the totalist ambitions of Dodell or Kashuba in
|
||
the past, but they still haven't seemed to grasp what role
|
||
they ought to have in Fidonet.
|
||
|
||
This whole discussion has centered around form in Fidonet as
|
||
opposed to substance. I believe that the most significant
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 13 13 Apr 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
issue to be faced by Fidonet is the content and style of
|
||
messages. (Just so you don't get alarmed, I am adamantly
|
||
opposed to any sort of compunction with respect to content
|
||
or style.) The echomail that is moved, and the political
|
||
landscape through which it flows are trivial compared to
|
||
examining *what* is being moved.
|
||
|
||
I don't know if it has occurred to you that you are a rarity
|
||
in Fidoland. You write in whole sentences (most of the
|
||
time,) you engage subjects with a certain amount of
|
||
thought, and you obviously devote energy to what you write.
|
||
Contrast your writings with much of what fills echomail
|
||
conferences. The poor moderators who might have been
|
||
educators have been reduced to kindergarten teachers
|
||
adjudicating petty squabbles. Place any 100 messages from an
|
||
echo in front of the average literate person and explain
|
||
that it represents the best and the brightest of
|
||
International discourse on the echomail topic... and then
|
||
try to figure out why sysops are leaving in droves and why
|
||
users avoid Fidonet like the plague. The answer will be
|
||
self-evident in those 100 messages with their screenfuls of
|
||
quotes, their trophalactic grunts, their emoticons, and
|
||
their general level of utter gibberish.
|
||
|
||
If I had to saddle up Pedro and tilt at a significant
|
||
windmill, it would be on the issue of convincing sysops and
|
||
users to raise their levels of communication beyond the
|
||
dreck which gets posted now. Perhaps, on this issue we
|
||
might happily find ourselves on the same side of the fence?"
|
||
/ / / /
|
||
|
||
I must go, Visage. The El Nino current has washed
|
||
video-cassettes of Gerry Springer shows onto the beach. Your
|
||
secretary has taken up fisticuffs and is pummeling the
|
||
filing cabinet. I fear that if we don't distract her, the
|
||
contents of the cabinet - which is some of the finest Scotch
|
||
- may be disturbed in their slumber. As the good and decent
|
||
people that we are, we should send her immediately to Moose
|
||
Meadow, Saskatchewan.
|
||
|
||
Regards,
|
||
Doc Logger,
|
||
Furlang Island, South Pacific
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS 15-15 Page 14 13 Apr 1998
|
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|
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|
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|
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COORDINATORS CORNER
|
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|
||
|
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|
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Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 100
|
||
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
|
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ZC/2
|
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|
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+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
|
||
!Zone/Jul!Ndl-072!Nodel.-079!Nodel.-086!Nodel.-093!Nodel.-100!%%!
|
||
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
|
||
! 1/100 ! 5620 ! 5578 -42! 5512 -66! 5512 0! 5446 -66!25!
|
||
! 2/100 ! 14066 !14219 153!14215 -4!14130 -85!14085 -45!66!
|
||
! 3/093 ! 526 ! 523 -3! 520 -3! 517 -3! 507 -10! 2!
|
||
! 4/093 ! 402 ! 401 -1! 400 -1! 398 -2! 398 0! 2!
|
||
! 5/093 ! 87 ! 87 0! 87 0! 86 -1! 86 0! 0!
|
||
! 6/093 ! 934 ! 934 0! 934 0! 908 -26! 920 12! 4!
|
||
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
|
||
! 21635 !21742 107!21668 -74!21551 -117!21442 -109!
|
||
+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
|
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|
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|
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Future History
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30 Apr 1998
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Queens Day, Holland.
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17 May 1998
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Independence Day, Norway.
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|
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22 May 1998
|
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Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
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|
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14 Sep 1998
|
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Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
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|
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22 Sep 1998
|
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First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
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|
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1 Dec 1998
|
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Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
|
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Tom Jennings.
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|
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24 Jul 1999
|
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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31 Dec 1999
|
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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|
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1 Jan 2000
|
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
|
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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|
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15 Sep 2000
|
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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|
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1 Jan 2001
|
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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|
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InterNet, either by Zone or worldwide, to post here as well.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc.htm
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