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F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 9 2 March 1998
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-209-251-7529 [1:1/23] |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Zorch Frezberg 1:205/1701 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: FidoNews Editor 1:1/23 |
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| MORE addresses: |
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| submissions=> zorch@fidonews.org |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Whew! This *is* long!
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 12
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IP FidoNet in Region 33 .................................. 12
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A Summation .............................................. 13
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4. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 17
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The "Larry (Larry-bud) Jaster" story ..................... 17
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5. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 26
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Z1EC Election Results .................................... 26
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Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 058 ...... 68
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6. NOTICES .................................................. 69
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Future History ........................................... 69
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7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 70
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FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 70
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8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 71
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9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 73
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 1 2 Mar 1998
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EDITORIAL
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Most people presume that an editor has enough knowledge of the reader
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base out there to present an insightful and 'pleasing-to-the-eye'
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style of publication.
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Then there is the case of one sysop and hub operator who insists that
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unless the *full* 87K of the Zone 1 EchoMail Coordinator election
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results are not posted, some sort of collusion is going on. So, to
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satisfy his quest for information and his insistence, it is now here.
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To those of you in the *OTHER* Zones, I apologize, but since John has
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decided to personally direct editorial policy in the FidoNews, feel
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free to assess his efforts in editorial control to John Souvestre at
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1:396/1 , or at his E-Mail address of john@sstar.com.
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To all Zone 1 sysops: The election protest period will be over and
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done on March 8, 1998.
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Several more relevant and important points...
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I'm having problems with some of the messages being sent to me...are
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these for _me_, or for "The FidoNews Editor"? Since these all of
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these appear to be for FidoNews or gave permission to be published,
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I have...but please be more careful in sending me things via NetMail
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or E-Mail. If it is for the next FidoNews, please indicate that by
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sending it to "FidoNews Editor". I'll see it...<g>
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Also, with an aside to some at the Zone level, your nodelist is very
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much out of date. This is currently NODELIST.058, not NODELIST.044.
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On another point, and to all who would submit articles for FidoNews
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publication, I refer you to the file (MagicFileName ARTSPEC) called
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ARTSPEC.DOC. It is also available for view or download at my own
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Web Site at http://209.77.228.66/fidonews (look for the link). An
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updated copy has been hatched out as well.
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I'll point out now that if I have to hand-edit a message to fit
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the 70-character line limit, I will include the standard newspaper
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tear line of "### 30 ###" to indicate the article was modified by
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myself to fit. As always, we'll print what you send 'as-is' in all
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instances, though we may send it back to you for 'clean-up'. See the
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ARTSPEC.DOC for details.
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There is a complaint in one echo that NECs in some networks are
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claiming the 'power' to decide from who and when a sysop can get an
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EchoMail feed, and no changes can be made without the NEC granting
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permission. Perhaps this is a misinterpretation of a local "no
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dupes" policy; perhaps it is something worse. Anyone know of this
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situation?
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Also noted is that Net 163 has upped the ante on the pending Policy
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Complaint by picking up nodes in several nations and Zones, as well
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as one totally non-existant phone number for a node. There doesn't
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 2 2 Mar 1998
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seem to be an "867" area code or country code...anyone know of one?
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Anyone know if the node in Malaysia listed in Net 163 is still active
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and operating?
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To that extent, and with some modification needed to fit it in, some
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one in Region 33 sent a copy of the R33 IP Nodelist, one of the new
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'supplemental' nodelists to meet the needs of a FidoNet growing in a
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new direction, but without the benefit or support of either Policy or
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FidoNet itself.
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One point coming out of the FIDONEWS echo...there seems to be a
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consensus developing over the inclusion of the "page breaks" in the
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general publication of FidoNews...are these being used by anyone out
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there? Or is there a predominance to find a way to dump them? Your
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comments on this are solicited.
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Another point of concern is the various 'national' or 'regional'
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versions of the FidoNews out there. I've run across several, and
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would ask that the editors of these send me the URL for each, and
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the Region that they are published for inclusion in the InterNet
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section of the FidoNews.
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I also invite the editors of each one to contact me so that we can
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come up with a way to set up translations. Granted, Policy indicates
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that English is the "common tongue" in FidoNet, but Policy also
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encourages the free translation of FidoNet documents into other
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languages as well.
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It would be nice to have a roster for those who wish to see the
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Snooze in all the languages it is available in, no?
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Next to last...we get lots of mail...analysis of the Z1EC election
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and a lesson on statistical analysis to boot; responses to prior
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news; a comment or two on the new FidoNews; and more.
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And, lastly...articles, articles, articles. Send them in. From
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anywhere, on any thing, by anyone. Just use the ARTSPEC instructions
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to make sure that the publication software doesn't choke. Shoot, we
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even do guest editorials...
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-zf-
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 3 2 Mar 1998
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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>from Matt McCarthy, 1:396/1.4
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Hi Zorch.
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RE: FIDOECHOPOL, my thoughts.
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Since my NAB_POLICY is still getting linked I threw out the following
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'off-topic' post to possibly stir interest, but see that the topic is
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better suited to FIDOECHOPOL where I've not requested write access.
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If you consider this 'annoying', please let me know.
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If I can be of any assistance to you for FIDONEWS, please let me know
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also.
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================================(copied from NAB_POLICY)
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008/010 24 Feb 98 10:32:42
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From: Matt Mc_Carthy
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To: Dale Shipp
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Subj: Moderators Status
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-+-------------------------------
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In a message of <23 Feb 98 13:13:08>, Dale Shipp (1:261/1466) writes:
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So long as the rules have not been posted, this should be fair game:
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Copied from FIDOECHOPOL:
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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020/021 23 Feb 98 01:58:14
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From: Dale Shipp
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To: Steven Horn
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Subj: Re: Moderators and what
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-+--------------------
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<<talking about requiring moderators to be sysops on the nodelist>>
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SH>Why would their being able to do their job more effectively
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SH>be against their best interests? They already have to have
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SH>access to their echo and be able to receive and send
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SH>netmail so is much more being asked?
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DS>Being on the nodelist would have almost no effect on a moderator
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DS>being able to do their job. Moderators are concerned with the
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DS>content of their echos. Sysops are concerned with moving mail
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DS>(and providing a BBS for users in many cases). Each job is
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DS>vital -- but one person does not have to do it all.
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DS>The only effect of a rule requiring moderators to be on the
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DS>nodelist would be to eliminate many good moderators. Nothing
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DS> would be gained.
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Well, we'd gain the right to vote, for whatever that's worth.
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Next reply from John Glinski:
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 4 2 Mar 1998
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JG>which is that there maybe numerous moderators that will not wish
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JG>to comply with a nodelisted membership requirement to retain
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JG>their moderator status in Fido. They know that makes them
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JG>directly answerable to P4, a freedom which right now they enjoy
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JG>and probably will not wish to forfeit.
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John G's reply makes no sense. He would have the moderators become
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nodes just to be nodelisted? To what end? The resultant 'node'
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would certainly be subject to P4, but NOT the moderator. The word
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"moderator" is not to be found in P4, period.
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What John G. wants to propose is that 'all cars _must_ have trailers
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attached to them because we have rules for towing trailers, but
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nothing for cars'.
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Just some ideas for your FIDOECHOPOL discussion. I've not requested
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'write' permission, and would rather not at this time. Too much to
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do here if we can get enough interest.
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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As much as I hate to admit it, Bob M. is correct, but for the wrong
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reasons (if he's lurking, _that_ should wake him). :-)
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We _don't_ own our echoes, and in fact, there is _no_ policy anywhere
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that even gives us the authority to make our own rules for 'our'
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echoes, nor to authorize us to insist that users follow the rules.
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P4 makes 'enough' reference to "echomail" to cover that subject for
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the time being, but often refers to "echomail" as something that
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should be scraped from our shoes should we step in it. Heaven forbid
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if a node sends echomail during ZMH, and if a node gets too much
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"echomail" he can be restricted to 20 messages per day. P4 is in
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_SERIOUS_ need of a re-write! Times have changed! 1989, sheesh!
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Small wonder so many nodes are leaving.
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What we _DO_ need is a FIDONET 'moderator' policy. Something like:
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Echomail"
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----------
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Echomail is the term used within FidoNet to refer to electronic
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"Conference Mail" messages that, while possibly containing
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the name of a particular individual in the "To:" field, are
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copied and distributed to multiple (possibly several hundred)
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destination systems. Echomail messages are segregated into
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"Conferences" based upon the topic being discussed. Echomail
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message content is usually restricted to the topic(s) for which
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the particular conference was created. The originators of each
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of those "Conferences", as well as their designees and successors
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are called "Moderators", and during their stewardship of their res-
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pective "Conferences" are empowered to establish and enforce rules
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of conduct and topicality to which users are enjoined to adhere.
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Moderators are responsible for insuring the topicality and decorum
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 5 2 Mar 1998
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of their respective "Conferences" in consonance with their
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published rules. To accomplish this responsibility, a moderator
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may request that a user absent himself from the "Conference". When
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a user in that category fails to comply, the moderator may request
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the assistance of that user's SysOp, node, or hub, whichever is the
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lowest appropriate level, to effect the absence of that user from
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the "Conference".
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Wording from "Echomail is..." down to "The originators..." was
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extracted verbatim from the FIDONET document GATEWAY.POL. Feel free
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to use this any way you wish!
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Good luck... M.
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There is nothing 'private' in this message Zorch, feel free to use
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its content any way you wish.
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Thanks, M.
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### 30 ###
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>From Deb Milner, 1:112/285
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It was with interest that I read Wulf Kreuger's article
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in a recent edition of FidoNews regarding the filtering/censorship
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that took place in Zone 2, after all, it's not the first time
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this type of thing has happened.
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Since last year, when a private CRP hub in Net 112
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did the exact same thing to other sysops, ie: filtering and
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removing all echomail messages to/from individuals
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that particular hub operator had a dislilke for, I have been
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warning that unless some type of action is taken to prevent
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hubs from filtering indiscriminately, that it would happen again.
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It did. Both here in Net 112, by the same CRP, and now I read
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that it also happened in Zone 2, by Fidonet "officials", no less.
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Folks, if we allow it to continue, anyone, anywhere is going to
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start filtering/censoring echomail based on their personal dislike
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of others. Think about what this will mean to the integrity of the
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echomail areas you are receiving and reading, or even the mail
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you are sending.
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Echopol is a hotly debated subject, but an echopol could stop it.
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If not an echopol, we need to do something.
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What say you?
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 6 2 Mar 1998
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> From Alan Rackmill, 1:107/101
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+ Forwarded (from: Z1_ELECTION) by Alan Rackmill
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using timEd/2 1.01.
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+ Originally from Alan Rackmill (1:107/101)
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+ Originally to John Souvestre (1:396/1)
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+ Original dated: Feb 28 '98, 13:45
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Zorch, you can publish this in the Snooze if you want.
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Alan
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John Souvestre wrote in a message to Alan Rackmill:
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JS> Hello Alan.
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JS> Case in point: You released this week's issue at 18:00 PT?
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JS> It didn't get here till 05:00, 11 hours later.
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AR> And that means that fidonet is going to fall apart because of
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AR> that time difference?
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JS> No, it just worries people when they can get the latest game
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JS> from the other side of the world in 6 hours but it takes 18
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JS> to get FidoNews. :-)
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So what?
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The internet and fidonet are totally different things.
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They do things in a different way.
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If you NEED to have the Snooze that fast, then you oughta get a
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better life.
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This is a hobby John, although I know you make some money off it.
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Or maybe you don't.
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There are many other things that are more important than whether it
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takes 6 hours or 18 hours to get out.
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At this point in time, fidonet is the absolutely last thing in order
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of importance to me.
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Why should I worry about when Fidonews arrives when I had thyroid
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surgery to remove a malignant tumor, scheduled for 2/6/98 cancelled,
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because I had a stroke on 2/4/98.
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And now that the effects of the stroke are almost gone, and I am
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back to normal there, my kidneys are failing so that I will probably
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be going on dialysis very shortly.
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And that doesn't even get into my chronic Congestive Heart Failure,
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Coronary Artery Disease, High Blood Pressure, Arthritis and Gout.
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 7 2 Mar 1998
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All of which are acting up.
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So, do you really thing I should get upset because it takes a little
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longer for the Snooze, or anything else, for that matter, to get to
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my system?
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No chance.
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But that doesn't mean that I am just going to sit by while you try
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to screw everything up because you can't control it, you can think
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again.
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It is about time you stepped back and stopped trying to take over
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everything, and trying to destroy what you can't control and get
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back to what this hobby is all about: Communicating with the other
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sysops and HELPING them when they need help.
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Alan
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Team OS/2,
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Fidonet 1:107/101, ibmNET 40:4371/101, OS2NET 80:135/15
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internet: alanrackmill@mindspring.com
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___ timEd/2 1.01
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- Origin: The Maven's Roost * MAX/2 * WARP * v.34 1-908-821-4533
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(1:107/101)
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### 30 ###
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An open comment to first, Bob Satti and then, all. It's from someone
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who genuinely cares about FidoNet, has the ability to operate within
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its scheme of things and, I think, has helped draw out a proper
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viewpoint from some of those who do care, in a proper way.
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Specifically, my congratulations to Bob Kohl..
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He has demonstrated an interesting perspective
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in the dynamics of FidoNet opinion gathering...
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as have I by losing in the way I did.
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Now lets's examine that.... chuckle...........
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This has nothing to do about my losing or Bob winning. Please do
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*NOT* make the mistake of thinking this is sour grapes. Winning or
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losing is frankly not that important to me; FidoNet is.
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To those who voted for me, *THANK YOU VERY MUCH*. I had been
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wondering about what to do about spending time on Fido in the future.
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For anyone not known in Zone-wide circles to have done this well
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tells me there is a place for what we stand for. We should march
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forward. :)
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First, a *HUGE* vote of confidence and thanks to EC Martin Belcke for
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doing one of the most important jobs in Fido's history and doing it
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 8 2 Mar 1998
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very well. I respect work. I admire good work. Martin's work was
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good work. Thanks also to Lisa Gronke. Yes, folks, she did a fine
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job.
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From here on, this is all about, "What if?" It is administrative
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analysis of what we must do to keep FidoNet as alive and well as can
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be expected, under the circumstances. I think I speak for all who
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supported me; I hope so. Skip the details of a vote not counted or a
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percentage point not rounded. This is about the big picture,
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including the small stuff.
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In this ballot process format I counted a published 314 votes:
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25% or 78 - voters - cooperated with full vote choice slates.
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44% or 139 - voters - refused to use it, voting a single vote.
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No, I'm not in favor of holding elections like P4 suggests, with a
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simple majority of those bothering to vote in a single round settling
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matters on big issues. As a "suggested" P4 format election, the
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"winner" would have had a 45 vote first round "win." That vote
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method would have said nothing that *MOST* of the few willing to help
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guide Fido are *NOT* happy with the way things are. This is not a
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minor issue; it is a biggee. It's critical to address this group for
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Fido to live. For FidoNet to survive, we must learn better how to
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upgrade the appointment game to walk a finer line between appointment
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and elections to best determine where that line is.
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Yes, FidoNet is not a democracy. I'm comfortable about that as a
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FidoNet member, NC and proponent. Yet, this election was so
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important because it was the best sounding board we have had for
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determining how to define that line, properly used. This election
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was crucial in a far greater sense, because the *FORMAT* of the
|
||
election, preferential balloting, gave us a chance to really learn
|
||
something about Fido and what may be really wrong.
|
||
|
||
However, this *SPECIFIC* form of a preferential ballot may not be
|
||
what is needed to save FidoNet. This preferential ballot format was,
|
||
I think, an error. By counting partial ballot votes not carried to
|
||
the full depth, we will never know what the MAJORITY really wanted.
|
||
Refusing to fill it out completely, said, "I'm out of here", then
|
||
silence. We can't afford that. More than half the voters didn't
|
||
want it. They said so. Forced on them, although they cared and made
|
||
an effort to get something done for the real majority wish in
|
||
FidoNet, their real wants have, again, been stripped from them. This
|
||
has nothing to do with who won or lost. We *ALL* lost:
|
||
|
||
1.) Only 78 or 24% of the total 314 voters were damned well firm
|
||
about what they wanted from the start. Only this one-fourth
|
||
of the voters bothered to vote a whole rank of candidates.
|
||
On first round stats, as a "P4 compliant" election, (Just
|
||
guidelines!), that would have produced a firm 45 vote
|
||
"margin" for the "winner." Done that way, the simple
|
||
majority of votes cast, I hold, would do a really bad job of
|
||
producing any true view of the electorate. This election
|
||
proved that, I think.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 9 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
2.) In this "ending", the "winner" had a 30 vote "margin", but
|
||
won nothing. Run this way, 139+109=248 or 79% of the voters
|
||
'fixed' their opinion at the end. However, that's not the
|
||
real story! The full 139 voters who wouldn't use the ballot
|
||
format never really "voted." The "results" of the election
|
||
merely indicate almost *HALF* of the entire crew just gave up
|
||
messing with it.
|
||
|
||
3.) In my opinion, the total vote *DECLINED* from what it *COULD*
|
||
have been, because of the ballot format! That's sad. These
|
||
were people from which we badly needed to hear views.
|
||
|
||
The worst part about preferential voting was also very beautifully
|
||
shown here! Two top candidates together produced total first round
|
||
results of 72+117=189 votes, more than the required 159 to win on the
|
||
first round. The second and third place 72+54=126 votes were not
|
||
enough to win. A run-off would have been between the top two
|
||
candidates. In a conventional election, a waning candidate often
|
||
declares support for someone else, if they wish, at run-off time.
|
||
I believe this markedly alters elections. Thus a preferential
|
||
ballot, in general, stole that opportunity away from FidoNet at a
|
||
time when we most decidedly need to know the real best answer
|
||
from our members. I believe people often change their vote, at
|
||
times, completely, after further discussion and round one, yielding
|
||
a greater worth to an election, more accurately measuring desires of
|
||
the people. This election didn't yield that, in my opinion; it
|
||
prevented it.
|
||
|
||
Secondly, preferential balloting makes it more difficult to bring in
|
||
the fold of lesser candidates for the common good, following an
|
||
election. I have come to understand, of elections, long before this
|
||
one, this is a necessary part of the political "healing" process
|
||
required to forge future alliances for good, those that move polity
|
||
out of the "graveyard" so the skeletons can be bleached in the sun
|
||
and we can move forward.
|
||
|
||
In politics, as in much of life, psychologically, we are still
|
||
"hedonistic calculators." We make decisions as human beings, very
|
||
much on the basis of our personal integral calculus. This hurts so
|
||
much we either want more or we don't; a little less or more and see
|
||
how much less or more we hurt. That is the pinnacle of human
|
||
existence, the thing that best separates us from other animals, and,
|
||
in fact, from some of the most animalistic of the human race itself!
|
||
Preferential voting deprives us of this human need.
|
||
|
||
Now, again, in the below here, do *NOT* interpret what follows as
|
||
sour grapes. It is not. It is a very genuine attempt to use the
|
||
results of the ballot to really show just how bad the issue of Bob's
|
||
way of doing things is hurting FidoNet and what absolutely must be
|
||
addressed to plan for Fido for the future, if, as I see it, we are to
|
||
survive.
|
||
|
||
In the best analysis I can make, of the people whom DID vote for
|
||
more than one candidate, somewhat per the format, the following is
|
||
Bob Kohl's final position - the *LAST* person any voter wanted to see
|
||
run things:
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 10 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
53 of those voters ranked Bob Kohl dead last.
|
||
|
||
9 of those voters ranked Mike Luther dead last.
|
||
|
||
Of course, irrespective of a #2 choice only, chuckle!
|
||
|
||
But wait! When the voters *DID* cooperate *FULLY* with the
|
||
format, Messr. Kohl was in the unadmirable position of being
|
||
disliked so damned badly that he was, in the case of the 78
|
||
voters that were good enough to rank all of the candidates...
|
||
even WORSE off:
|
||
|
||
42 of 78 such candidates who really knew what they wanted,
|
||
or 53% told us *EXACTLY* what is wrong with FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
2 of 78 such candidates who really knew what they wanted,
|
||
or 3% put the #2 candidate in that unenviable place.
|
||
|
||
We see a perfect example why we shouldn't use this form of
|
||
preferential balloting here, in my opinion. Because the fallacy of
|
||
permitting a one vote-level ballot, or a repetitive same vote ballot
|
||
was allowed in the count, it hid, "If my candidate is really that
|
||
bad, whom do I wish to suffer under the least?" How? It hid the
|
||
real ripoff of this election for FidoNet!
|
||
|
||
Most importantly, the real ripoff of this experiment is that 21% or
|
||
65 voters were deprived of voicing their *ALTERABLE* opinions in a
|
||
run off! Those 65 votes could have swung this election wildly
|
||
either way, folks. That is why it may never be clear to anyone, what
|
||
might have happened, had folks been given a chance to vote the way
|
||
they wanted to vote, the way they are comfortable in voting and the
|
||
way in which they could have best given in service to FidoNet! In
|
||
making appointments on what we did here, we may never best make them
|
||
now, simply because of the ballot format!
|
||
|
||
I stated in the comment in the election process, that the most
|
||
divisive issues always focus closer and closer to one vote wins, or
|
||
losses. What this election cost the opportunity to determine, for
|
||
FidoNet, because of the way the ballot was set up, was a real
|
||
opportunity, for the amount of time invested on the part of all. We
|
||
lost a real handle on just how close or far we are to what will be
|
||
needed to carry us forward.
|
||
|
||
What we really lost, was the ability to best determine, whether what
|
||
Bob Kohl or Mike Luther stands for will kill us, or carry us into the
|
||
future. We really settled nothing about the divisions of leadership
|
||
in Fido that are the single most important thing we *MUST* fix to
|
||
best keep Fido alive and guarding the dog house for us all.
|
||
|
||
To really understand what is needed, we needed *ALL* six vote steps
|
||
from *EVERYONE*, or at worst, have a reasonable majority of those in
|
||
FidoNet whom did vote do that! I hope an awfully good chance to
|
||
really look at what is needed for FidoNet is not thrown away.
|
||
|
||
If I were Bob Satti, I would invite anyone whom wanted to fill in the
|
||
rest of the ballot to do so, netmail him the results. Then he should
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 11 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
act accordingly. The fate of Fido is too important for any less, I
|
||
opine. The deal you do not investigate is always the deal you lose
|
||
and this has nothing to do with who "won" or "lost" this race. :)
|
||
|
||
Mike @ 117/3001
|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 12 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
ARTICLES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
IP FidoNet in Region 33
|
||
by Marco d'Itri
|
||
|
||
[Editor's Note:
|
||
This IP Nodelist segment was _well_ beyond the 70-character limit
|
||
required for FidoNews production. If you plan to use this IP
|
||
Nodelist, remove the extraneous spaces beforehand. -zf- ]
|
||
|
||
;A manually generated R33 IP extended nodelist
|
||
Zone,2,Europe_&_more,Belgium,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,
|
||
9600,CM,XX,U,K12,Z19
|
||
Region,33,Italy,I,Mario_Mure',39-931-833773,
|
||
9600,V34,XX,CM,MO,U,Z19,ENC
|
||
Pvt,505,Agnese,Mario_Mure',-Unpublished-,
|
||
U,#,INET,agnese.fidoitalia.net,33.6K,RAW,IFC,BND,TELN
|
||
;
|
||
Host,331,Alberto_Network,Mantova_I,Maurizio_Andreoli,39-376-364001,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V34,U,X75
|
||
Host,332,Italia_Centro_Nord,Bologna,Mario_Battacchi,39-51-6236527,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,H16,V32T,VFC,V34,U,X75
|
||
Hub,800,Quasar_HUB,La_Spezia,Roberto_Mascolo,39-187-750175,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V34,VFC,#,INET,195.120.155.157,0,BND
|
||
,806,Quasar,La_Spezia,Thomas_Capasso,39-187-23155,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V34,VFC,U,X75,U,#,INET,195.120.155.157,0,BND
|
||
,807,Quasar_II,La_Spezia,Roberto_Mascolo,39-187-750175,
|
||
9600,CM,XX,V34,U,X75,U,#,INET,195.120.155.157,0,BND
|
||
,801,Banana's,Parma,Nicola_Lottici,39-521-941845,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V34,VFC,U,#,INET,bananas.netsis.it,128K,BND
|
||
Host,335,Italia_Centro_Sud,Taranto_I,Gaetano_Ble',39-931-833773,
|
||
9600,V34,XX,CM,MO,U,Z19,ENC
|
||
,437,Connecting_BBS,Perugia,Francesco_Marozzi,39-75-5140631,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V34,V42B,#,INET,os2.iw0qmn.ampr.org,0,BND,TELN
|
||
,626,Car_Systems_Service,Montesilvano_Spiaggia_PE_I,
|
||
Lorenzo_Di_Blasio,39-85-4492408,9600,CM,XA,V34,V42B,
|
||
U,#,INET,stevens.alicom.org,64K,BND,TELN,VMP
|
||
,680,Eagle's_Nest,Montesilvano_Spiaggia_PE_I,Stefano_Brandimarte,
|
||
39-85-4455650,9600,CM,MO,V34,V42B,
|
||
U,#,INET,tella.alicom.org,64K,BND,RAW,IFC,TELN,FTP,
|
||
#,EMAIL,fido-vmailer@tella.alicom.org,UUE
|
||
,705,The_Ghost_Multisystem,Bari,Gianni_Medusa,39-80-5023688,
|
||
9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,U,#,INET,ghostbbs.pandora.it,0,TELN,VMP
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
ciao,
|
||
Marco d'Itri
|
||
<md@linux.it>
|
||
|
||
### 30 ###
|
||
|
||
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|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 13 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
A Summation
|
||
|
||
[Editor's note: I have been asked to place this into the Snooze by
|
||
several individuals who see it as being of general interest to
|
||
FidoNet at large. The opinions contained within are wholly my own
|
||
and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy within
|
||
the FidoNews itself. Comments/responses welcomed. -zf- ]
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
|
||
* Original In : Z1_ELECTION
|
||
* Original To : John Souvestre, 1:396/1
|
||
* Original From: Zorch Frezberg, 1:205/1701
|
||
* Original Date: Feb 18 17:18
|
||
|
||
In a msg on <Feb 17 21:40>, John Souvestre of 1:396/1
|
||
writes to Zorch Frezberg:
|
||
|
||
ZF>> If you wish to deny that John has made significant efforts
|
||
ZF>> to attempt to influence or force a change in Region 10
|
||
ZF>> without the consent of the majority of the sysops here,
|
||
ZF>> feel free to do so.
|
||
JS> Zorch, you are one of the largest hypocrites I've ever seen.
|
||
JS> You claim to be for "free speech" - but only as long as it
|
||
JS> isn't critical of you.
|
||
|
||
Do I? Hmmmm...perhaps it's because I believe free speech works
|
||
_both_ ways.
|
||
|
||
I believe that is the part of my claim that you don't seem to
|
||
understand. Part of 'free speech' is the right to _disagree_,
|
||
something you tend not to tolerate too well.
|
||
|
||
JS> The only change I've worked for in R10 is to give SysOps a say
|
||
JS> in who there C and ECs are.
|
||
|
||
Finally, a clear admission. You have been working in Region 10 to
|
||
interfere with the process already in place.
|
||
|
||
JS> Indeed, to make these title subject to the consent of the
|
||
majority of the
|
||
JS> SysOps - not the other way around.
|
||
|
||
The majority of SysOps, or the majority of those who participate? An
|
||
important distinction here, John...could you please clarify it?
|
||
|
||
JS> Your only interest in supporting democracy is when you don't like
|
||
JS> the current leader.
|
||
|
||
Let me ask you a specific question, then, John...when Bruce Bodger
|
||
put his hat in the ring for the Z1C post last, did you support him?
|
||
|
||
Did you support Bruce because you supported democracy, or because you
|
||
don't like Satti as Z1C?
|
||
|
||
JS> That's a very shortsighted view, one which you will certainly
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 14 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
JS> live to regret.
|
||
|
||
I doubt it, John...that's a fundamental principle of any government,
|
||
democracy or otherwise.
|
||
|
||
The power elite always does what it can to insure that it remains in
|
||
the control of the societal macrocosm. The "13 Old Men in Geneva" or
|
||
the "Illuminati" are archetypes of that structure, though the more
|
||
correct and proper power elite are the holding companies which
|
||
provide the financial support for industry, and thus the economy.
|
||
|
||
In Britain and the US, and to a large extent most English-speaking
|
||
nations, that power structure is the insurance/pension industry which
|
||
is heavily invested. In Asia, particularly Japan, and some of the
|
||
so-called Lowland Countries in Europe, that structure is the banking
|
||
industry.
|
||
|
||
If anyone were to threaten their ability to dominate and influence
|
||
the power structure, then the organic model of governmental theory
|
||
comes to light...the 'system' reacts as a 'living being' and does
|
||
what it can to repel the 'threat', up to and including damaging
|
||
itself as necessary.
|
||
|
||
Or, if you will, like the various species of lizard, the 'system'
|
||
will be willing to lose a leg or a tail if it insures continued
|
||
survival.
|
||
|
||
The dynamic questions present in FidoNet currently are whether the
|
||
sysops are reacting to the overt control expressed by the *C
|
||
structure as well as the growing monopolization of the control of
|
||
echomail/file distributions, or if it is the *C/*EC structure
|
||
reacting to both mollify the sysops and protect itself from being
|
||
overwhelmed by the echomail distribution system's growning influence
|
||
over FidoNet operations, or if it is the effort of the echomail
|
||
distribution to bring about a change in the societal understanding of
|
||
cooperation between the various levels of FidoNet by incurring a
|
||
larger influence on the events of sysop connectivity, inter-network
|
||
distribution (between nets, Regions, and Zones, as well as between
|
||
the various smaller distributions) as well as attempting to insure
|
||
that a sufficient income is available to offset the costs of echomail
|
||
distribution as much as is economically feasible.
|
||
|
||
At this point in time, it appears that the echomail distribution
|
||
services (EDS) is taking it in the shorts, and that the *C/*EC
|
||
structure is ganging up on it with the cooperation of the sysops.
|
||
|
||
The net result of this will either be that the EDS will shut down,
|
||
leaving a vacuum for the smaller distributions to move into, or the
|
||
EDS will finally look to the reasons *why* this point in time has
|
||
been reached, and how it got there...the key factor will be if it can
|
||
look _past_ the personalities involved, and truly _examine_ the
|
||
issues rather than casting blame on anyone who happens to disagree
|
||
with it (see above, your comments and mine on "free speech").
|
||
|
||
The end result will be that FidoNet will become a close-knit, almost
|
||
incestuous group that will dwindle down to nothing for fear that
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 15 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
'cooperation' and 'philanthropy' will be considered signs of
|
||
weakness, or FidoNet will figure out that no _one_ group can control
|
||
the whole...and that all parts need to cooperate openly and clearly,
|
||
without resorting to the "Me! Mine!" mentality that leads to the
|
||
previous.
|
||
|
||
Or, total order and total anarchy. Without the breaking of the
|
||
pattern, those are the two futures that FidoNet faces. One person/
|
||
group overwhelmingly controls it, micromanaging it to death; the
|
||
other disregards any and all rules and works "at the moment".
|
||
|
||
Your reactions and response fit into the classic patterns that most
|
||
any student of governance and governmental structures can see. Lots
|
||
of laymen, too.
|
||
|
||
Your stated objectives may be noble-sounding, but your actions and
|
||
efforts say far more about your agenda than what you wish others to
|
||
believe.
|
||
|
||
To wit:
|
||
|
||
JS> The only change I've worked for in R10 is to give SysOps a say in
|
||
JS> who there C and ECs are.
|
||
|
||
That you are _making_ an effort and doing it _in_ any Region is a
|
||
clearer indication of your goals than anything else could possibly
|
||
display. Your otherwise noble statement of wishing the SysOps the
|
||
ability to choose their own leadership is belied by the effort you've
|
||
made to cast aspersions and doubts on the ability of Bob Kohl to do
|
||
his job, and repeated comments on how an election needs to be held,
|
||
when there hasn't been any 'popular support' or 'groundswell of
|
||
discontent' to back it up.
|
||
|
||
There is dissent...if there were not, then I would be one of the
|
||
first to complain, if for no other reason than to _provide_ that
|
||
dissent.
|
||
|
||
But there is no reason to not allow _response_ to that dissent,
|
||
regardless of how it is phrased....again, refer back to the comment
|
||
of "free speech" at the beginning.
|
||
|
||
JS> You spend the majority of your time attacking personalities
|
||
JS> rather than debating the issues. You have a small mind.
|
||
|
||
Not at all, John. No matter what happens, it will always boil down
|
||
to personal matters...after all, that's what "free choice" is about.
|
||
|
||
In many cases, the issues being discussed are beyond, above or
|
||
irrelevant to what is on the minds of most of the readers here.
|
||
|
||
In others, the issues are occulted by lesser discussions that _seem_
|
||
more important but are irrelevant.
|
||
|
||
It ends up leaving those who would be involved to either throw up
|
||
their hands in frustration (the majority response) or to delve into
|
||
the issues and understand the dynamics involved.
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 16 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
In this case, you apparently don't want a ZEC who will act against
|
||
_your_ wishes, even if it is for the *betterment* of FidoNet
|
||
_overall_. You apparently don't even want the _possibility_ of such
|
||
a ZEC coming to power.
|
||
|
||
Unlike yourself, however, I see where decisions may be made like that
|
||
which I won't agree with, either...but I can see beyond myself, and
|
||
look to the betterment of the group _as_a_whole_.
|
||
|
||
You and I are only two small _parts_ of a larger mechanism. Our
|
||
independence of action is solely based on how we wish to interact
|
||
with the whole, not just _parts_ of the whole.
|
||
|
||
If you want _total_ individuality, then you shouldn't be in an
|
||
association of cooperating individuals.
|
||
|
||
JS> Chris Baker pegged you well.
|
||
|
||
Perhaps he did. Didn't seem to indicate this when we discussed
|
||
matters after the weekend just past.
|
||
|
||
Or are you simply exhibiting poor taste again in bringing up Chris'
|
||
name at this time?
|
||
|
||
Either way, John, is there now any point in contacting you about
|
||
hatching the FidoNews into distribution as Chris said to, if your
|
||
opinion of me is so low?
|
||
|
||
Or are you going to take the 'far view' as I do, and do it for the
|
||
overall benefit of FidoNet itself?
|
||
|
||
Your call. The issue goes out Sunday at or about 1800 Pacific time.
|
||
|
||
-zf-
|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 17 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
The "Larry (Larry-bud) Jaster" story...
|
||
by Jack Sargent, 1:379/12
|
||
|
||
In April of 1997, we finally caught up with the infamous anal
|
||
retentive, Charles Wharton, alias Jaster or "larry-bud," who
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had literally plagued a number of Fido echoes, including UFO
|
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for several years.
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As it happened, a friend, Pat Parrinello was attending his web
|
||
site when Charles Wharton "signed in," and proceeded to leave
|
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behind his foul vulgarisms of an anal-retentive nature. Pat
|
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monitored the situation and also notified Don Allen, a past
|
||
moderator of UFO, and long-time victim of Mr. Wharton. Pat and
|
||
Don then notified me of the incident and furnished me with
|
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"Larry-bud's" address.
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Here is the story, told in a series of e-mail exchanges between
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"Larry-bud" and myself. Note his tone in the beginning compared to
|
||
his demeanor at the end.
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||
=====================================================================
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BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:25) Number: 343
|
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From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 1 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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From: ufo1
|
||
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
||
To: cwharton@pdq.net
|
||
Fcc: Sent
|
||
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:33:21
|
||
Subject: You
|
||
Message-ID: <19970413.143215.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
X-Status: Sent
|
||
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
|
||
|
||
|
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I often wondered what I would say to you if given the chance.
|
||
|
||
All I can come up with for now is... ...WHY?
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||
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||
Jack Sargeant,
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||
Moderator - UFO
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--- FMail 1.22
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* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 18 2 Mar 1998
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BBS: The Transporter Room
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Date: 04-15-97 (15:26) Number: 344
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From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
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To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
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Subj: Larry Jaster, 2 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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---------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
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Reply-To: <chuckx@geocities.com>
|
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To: "Jack P Sargeant" <ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:28:52 -0500
|
||
Subject: Re: You
|
||
Message-ID: <19431533129816@cybersim.com>
|
||
X-Status: Replied
|
||
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
|
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|
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First of all, I never left any messages that Don Allen is referring
|
||
to. I have discussed this with the person complaining about messages
|
||
on his Internet page, and have informed my provider that, if the
|
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messages came from my provider, then I want to know from whom. So do
|
||
they.
|
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|
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Second, if it is so that Don Allen, or someone, left libelous
|
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messages on various computer discussion groups, then that is a job
|
||
for a lawyer on Monday morning.
|
||
|
||
Third, as this flurry of messages was going out, someone, probably
|
||
the culprit, left a message with my Internet address, that was
|
||
forwarded to me on a Usenet group, containing some libelous material.
|
||
That has also been retrieved by my provider and they have the means
|
||
to track exactly where it came from and from whom.
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
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* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
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|
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=====================================================================
|
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BBS: The Transporter Room
|
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Date: 04-15-97 (15:27) Number: 345
|
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From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 3 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
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---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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From: ufo1
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 19 2 Mar 1998
|
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|
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|
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Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
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To: chuckx@geocities.com
|
||
Cc: dona@totcon.com
|
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Fcc: Sent
|
||
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:59:15
|
||
Subject: Re: You
|
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Message-ID: <19970413.195821.4655.2.ufo1@juno.com>
|
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References: <19431533129816@cybersim.com>
|
||
X-Status: Sent
|
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X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
|
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|
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|
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|
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On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:28:52 -0500 "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
|
||
writes:
|
||
|
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>First of all, I never left any messages that Don Allen is referring
|
||
>to. I have discussed this with the person complaining about messages
|
||
>on his Internet page, and have informed my provider that, if the
|
||
>messages came from my provider, then I want to know from whom. So do
|
||
>they.
|
||
|
||
>Second, if it is so that Don Allen, or someone, left libelous
|
||
>messages on various computer discussion groups, then that is a job
|
||
>for a lawyer on Monday morning.
|
||
|
||
>Third, as this flurry of messages was going out, someone, probably
|
||
>the culprit, left a message with my Internet address, that was
|
||
>forwarded to me on a Usenet group, containing some libelous
|
||
>material. That has also been retrieved by my provider and they have
|
||
>the means to track exactly where it came from and from whom.
|
||
|
||
>
|
||
The information I have is, you were caught in the act of
|
||
writing an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line
|
||
as you were typing. ...And traced the call back to... ...You!
|
||
|
||
This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
|
||
you're sorry and get on with your life?
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Jack Sargeant, victim
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
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* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
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|
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=====================================================================
|
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BBS: The Transporter Room
|
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Date: 04-15-97 (15:27) Number: 346
|
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From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 4 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
From: "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
|
||
Received: from m15.boston.juno.com (m15.boston.juno.com
|
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|
||
To: "Jack P Sargeant" <ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:47:01 -0500
|
||
Subject: Re: You Message-ID: <01002057833566@cybersim.com>
|
||
X-Status: Replied
|
||
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
|
||
|
||
>> The information I have is, you were caught in the act of writing
|
||
>> an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line as
|
||
>> you were typing. ...And traced the call back to... ...You!
|
||
|
||
>> This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
|
||
>> you're sorry and get on with your life?
|
||
|
||
>I won't say anything more except this information is wrong, I wrote
|
||
>no such message, and that as owner of the Fidonet echo where someone
|
||
>posted libelous information to the contrary, you appear to be
|
||
>willingly providing a forum for this libel.
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
||
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:28) Number: 347
|
||
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 5 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
From: ufo1
|
||
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
||
To: chuckx@geocities.com
|
||
Cc: dona@totcon.com
|
||
Fcc: Sent
|
||
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:18:49
|
||
Subject: Re: You
|
||
Message-ID: <19970413.231751.4655.1.ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
References: <01002057833566@cybersim.com>
|
||
X-Status: Sent
|
||
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
|
||
|
||
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:47:01 -0500 "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
|
||
writes:
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 21 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
>> The information I have is, you were caught in the act of writing
|
||
>> an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line as
|
||
>> you were typing.
|
||
.
|
||
..And traced the call back to... ...You!
|
||
|
||
>> This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
|
||
>> you're sorry and get on with your life?
|
||
|
||
>I won't say anything more except this information is wrong, I wrote
|
||
>no such message, and that as owner of the Fidonet echo where someone
|
||
>posted libelous information to the contrary, you appear to be
|
||
>willingly providing a forum for this libel.
|
||
|
||
It is YOUR hand that's been caught in the till!
|
||
|
||
I am willing for you to pursue this issue to its climax, so go ahead
|
||
with your legal options. Hell, man, I'm the victim here, not you!
|
||
You had better be prepared to prove you were not within miles of your
|
||
computer when the obscene material was posted (on a number of
|
||
occasions) to Pat's website. All I want from you (at present) is
|
||
1. Your apology.
|
||
2. Your promise to cease
|
||
from posting anal retentive, obscene, thilthy messages into my echo.
|
||
You do that, and I won't sue your ass off! Do you understand that,
|
||
mister? You enter my echo with your real name and apologize, it's
|
||
that simple.
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
||
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:29) Number: 348
|
||
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 6 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
From: ufo1
|
||
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
||
To: cwharton@pdq.net
|
||
Cc: dona@totcon.com
|
||
Fcc: Sent
|
||
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:27:18
|
||
Subject: Well?
|
||
Message-ID: <19970415.002623.4655.1.ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
X-Status: Sent
|
||
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
|
||
|
||
You haven't told me what you intend to do, so the wheels are in
|
||
motion. 2 more of your accounts have surfaced... Your "PLOON"
|
||
acct, and the one on Flash.net. Strange that "Jaster" has found his
|
||
way onto all 3 of these accounts of yours. I want that apology, and
|
||
I want it within 48 hours, or else your next alias will be MUDD!
|
||
|
||
Your server has agreed to assist us in this matter, to avoid further
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 22 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
complications. Maybe YOU think you can bluff your way out of this,
|
||
but the evidence is in. You've had it, and the best thing you can do
|
||
is admit to it, or face the consequences. ...And you have the nerve
|
||
to threaten me with a libel action! Har! Have at it "Larry bud,"
|
||
you're on!
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
||
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:29) Number: 349
|
||
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 7 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
From: ufo1
|
||
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
||
To: pparri@sat.net
|
||
Subject: ufo1: Re: Explanation
|
||
X-Status: New
|
||
|
||
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
|
||
|
||
From: ufo1
|
||
To: cwharton@pdq.net
|
||
Cc: dona@totcon.com
|
||
Subject: Re: Explanation
|
||
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:52:48
|
||
Message-ID: <19970415.125145.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
References: <33537F23.5A9E@pdq.net>
|
||
|
||
|
||
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:14:11 -0500 cwharton <cwharton@pdq.net>
|
||
writes:
|
||
|
||
>I don't have an e-mail account with the name ploon and I have never
|
||
>used the provider flash.net, but after I was given evidence that
|
||
>abusive messages came to Pat Parrinello from my provider, I
|
||
>expressed the belief to him, my provider and now to you that my
|
||
>account had been hacked by an individual, probably at one of these
|
||
>other accounts you uncovered.
|
||
|
||
> If you or anyone else is in touch with my provider and they are
|
||
> giving out this information, they will confirm that I do not own
|
||
> these accounts and do not compensate them for them.
|
||
|
||
> I had an easy password to hack and have since had the provider
|
||
> change it when I reported the illegal use of my account. However,
|
||
> since Pat's evidence shows that my account was used for at least
|
||
> some of the abuse, I suppose because of a too-simple password that
|
||
> I have always used on-line, I have told him that I am sorry for
|
||
> this and I have to bear responsibility for that. I extend to
|
||
> everyone my regret for any attacks or unhappiness that anyone has
|
||
> suffered by these messages.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 23 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
>
|
||
|
||
This is the information that is available to your provider when you
|
||
use your account:
|
||
|
||
The account name.
|
||
The phone number.
|
||
The address the phone is located at.
|
||
The type of computer by brand and size (from internally encrypted
|
||
information) i e: Mac, IBM, IBM clone, desktop, portable, etc.
|
||
|
||
Not all of this information has been made available to us, and won't
|
||
be until ordered by a federal judge presiding over FCC regulation
|
||
infractions. (Read the first 3 pages in your phone book, or those
|
||
that apply to obscenity laws.)
|
||
|
||
Establishing your guilt or innocence is not a problem, as you can
|
||
plainly deduce. ...Should charges be brought forth (not entirely my
|
||
decision), it becomes an open and shut case, and damages will be
|
||
awarded. Your wife Sharon will know you for a maggot. Your church
|
||
will excommunicate you. ...Yet you brazenly still deny wrong doing.
|
||
Once a judge demands the information from your provider(s), the
|
||
attorneys will make their decisions (usually determined on the
|
||
financial worth of the defendant). You know how lawyers are.
|
||
|
||
You have a little over 24 hours to decide what to do about my demands
|
||
for a public apology (provided the others involved haven't changed
|
||
their minds and are seeking independent counsel).
|
||
|
||
You're really out of time >now< because it's going to take
|
||
longer than that for your note to show up on my conference.
|
||
|
||
I don't want your money. You don't have enough to alter my resources
|
||
by much. ...But I do want your >public apology<.
|
||
|
||
Your next reply may alter your entire life, "Larrybud."
|
||
|
||
--------- End forwarded message ----------
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
||
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:30) Number: 350
|
||
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, 8 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
From: ufo1
|
||
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
|
||
To: cwharton@pdq.net
|
||
Cc: dona@totcon.com
|
||
Subject: Re: Explanation
|
||
References: <33537F23.5A9E@pdq.net>
|
||
<19970415.125145.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 24 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
<3353C5C8.7305@pdq.net>
|
||
|
||
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:15:36 -0500 cwharton <cwharton@pdq.net>
|
||
writes:
|
||
|
||
>>you're really out of time >now< because it's going to take longer
|
||
>>than that for your note to show up on my conference. I don't want
|
||
>>your money.
|
||
>>You don't have enough to alter my resources by much. ...But I do
|
||
>>want your public apology.
|
||
|
||
> I don't have access to FidoNet any longer, Jack, and haven't for
|
||
>several years so I cannot enter any message into your echo, but you
|
||
>are welcome to enter this one. As I've told you I am deeply sorry
|
||
>for any messages coming from my account which offended or hurt
|
||
>anyone and, as I explained to Pat Parrinello and my provider, I have
|
||
>taken necessary steps to ensure that this will never occur again.
|
||
|
||
>
|
||
I see! Well, I'm not sure what I'm going to do next, but
|
||
this note and its predecessors will be posted in their entirety on
|
||
Fido UFO, and will probably be cross-posted to other echoes as well.
|
||
|
||
Jack Sargeant, moderator - UFO
|
||
|
||
cc Don Allen, Pat Parrinello
|
||
|
||
--- FMail 1.22
|
||
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
|
||
|
||
=====================================================================
|
||
BBS: The Transporter Room
|
||
Date: 04-15-97 (15:44) Number: 351
|
||
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
|
||
To: ALL Recvd: NO
|
||
Subj: Larry Jaster, follow up Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
|
||
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
As you can see, folks, Mr. Wharton starts out rather brazen, and
|
||
makes inuendos about taking legal action. ...But as the communiques
|
||
progress, his attitude changes... ...Not to one who has been falsely
|
||
accused, as an innocent person would normally feel, but to one who
|
||
sees the rope hanging on the gallows, waiting... ...And ends with
|
||
his apology.
|
||
|
||
Are these the replies of an innocent man? ...Or are they instead,
|
||
the words of one who is fearful of the consequences of his actions
|
||
for 3 years.
|
||
|
||
You be the judge.
|
||
|
||
My thanks to Pat Parrinello, his swift attentiveness, and his
|
||
long-distant phone calls that helped bring this to our attention.
|
||
...Also thanks to Don Allen for gathering the initial information
|
||
together, and presenting it to the echo in an informative, well put
|
||
together package.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 25 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
If the transcripts of the dialogue between me and Charles Wharton
|
||
seem a little repetitive, I did the best I could moving them from a
|
||
WINDOWS environment into a series of text files that I could present
|
||
to you here.
|
||
|
||
Jack Sargeant, moderator - UFO
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|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COORDINATORS CORNER
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Z1EC Election Results
|
||
Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election
|
||
Election Results as posted by the Election Coordinator
|
||
|
||
In accordance with a directive from the Zone 1 Coordinator
|
||
charging the Region Echomail Coordinator Council (RECC) with the
|
||
task of organizing an election for Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator,
|
||
the RECC selected an Election Coordinator (Martin Belcke) to
|
||
conduct the election. Following the selection of the EC, the
|
||
ground rules for the election were written, using input from the
|
||
Sysops of Zone 1 and the RECC. The final draft of the election
|
||
rules were approved by a vote of the RECC. The election coordinator
|
||
then announced the time-frame as called for in the election rules.
|
||
During the original time-frame set for the campaign period, a
|
||
severe winter storm affect a large portion of Zone 1 and the
|
||
campaign period was extended a week to accomadate those nodes
|
||
affected by the storm. This was the only change made in the
|
||
election process once started, and was within the rules of the
|
||
election as the rules did not specify specific length of time
|
||
for each phase of the election process, thus leaving some
|
||
flexibility for unforseen circumstances, such as the storm.
|
||
|
||
Of the estimated number of nodes in Zone 1 (6,000), only 316
|
||
nodes chose to participate in the Z1EC election process. This
|
||
is around 5% of the total nodes in the Zone. Of the 344 nets
|
||
in Zone 1, 111 nets were represented by at least one person
|
||
voting from that net. This represents 32% of the total nets.
|
||
|
||
Since there were more than 2 candidates, a process known as
|
||
preferential balloting was used to eliminate the need for
|
||
holding multiple elections between run-off candidates and to
|
||
allow the casting of a single ballot, listing the candidates
|
||
in order of preference. During each round of tallying the
|
||
votes, the candidate listed first on the ballot was used as
|
||
the 1st choice for that ballot, removing the names of any
|
||
candidates that had been eliminated during any previous round
|
||
tallying the ballots. If the 1st choice candidate was
|
||
eliminated, the name was removed and the rest of the names
|
||
moved up one position. If all names on a ballot were eliminated,
|
||
the ballot was then also eliminated and the total number of valid
|
||
ballots was reduced by the number of ballots eliminated. The
|
||
total number of votes required to win was also adjusted in the
|
||
same manner. The actual tallying of each round is listed after
|
||
this synopsis of the election results.
|
||
|
||
BAD BALLOTS:
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
There were 8 invalid ballots received. Ballots were required to
|
||
contain certain information as per the election rules. If the
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
ballot did not contain the required information, the ballot was
|
||
an invalid ballot. The election coordinator was not required to
|
||
notify a voter that the ballot was invalid, but I fealt it only
|
||
right to notify the voter and allow the opportunity to re-send a
|
||
valid ballot. Nine voters took advantage of this and re-sent the
|
||
ballot with the required information.
|
||
|
||
Ballots declared invalid and reasons are:
|
||
|
||
Ballot 1 - Name of sender did not match name as listed in nodelist.
|
||
Sender was notified, but did not respond. Ballot was
|
||
declared invalid at close of voting.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 2 - Name of sender did not match name as listed in nodelist.
|
||
Sender was notified, but did not respond. Ballot was
|
||
declared invalid at close of voting.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 3 - Node number not listed in nodelist. Unable to notify
|
||
sender as node is not listed. Ballot was declared
|
||
invalid at close of voting.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 4 - Name of sender did not match node number listed in
|
||
nodelist. Sender was notified, but did not respond.
|
||
Ballot was declared invalid at close of voting.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 5 - Ballot did not contain any candidates name. Sender
|
||
was notified and re-sent same ballot. Ballot was
|
||
declared invalid at close of voting.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 6 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
|
||
stamp of netmail was prior to closing, but ballot
|
||
was sent direct after the close of voting. Sender
|
||
was notified via routed netmail.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 7 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
|
||
stamp of netmail was prior to closing, but ballot
|
||
was sent direct after the close of voting. Sender
|
||
was notified via routed netmail.
|
||
|
||
Ballot 8 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
|
||
stamp on ballot is after the close of voting. Sender
|
||
was notified via routed netmail.
|
||
|
||
Statistics of invalid ballots:
|
||
|
||
Ballot 1 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
Ballot 2 JB
|
||
Ballot 3 JB
|
||
Ballot 4 BK
|
||
Ballot 5 I abstain
|
||
Ballot 6 BK JB DC
|
||
Ballot 7 BK
|
||
Ballot 8 WD
|
||
|
||
Statistics of the election for those who like them are as follows:
|
||
NOTE: Percentages rounded off.
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
Overall Stats:
|
||
Total Eligible Voters: 6,256 (Info provided by David Bowerman)
|
||
Total Nodes Voting : 316
|
||
Percent of Eligible : 5%
|
||
|
||
Total Nets : 344
|
||
Total Nets Voting : 111
|
||
Percent of Total Nets: 32%
|
||
|
||
Votes Sent Via DIRECT NETMAIL : 182 58%
|
||
Votes Sent Via ROUTED NETMAIL : 72 23%
|
||
Votes Sent Via INTERNET E-MAIL : 62 19%
|
||
|
||
Nodes Per Region Stats: Nets Per Region Stats:
|
||
REG TOTAL VOTES PERCENT REG TOTAL VOTED PERCENT
|
||
============================ ==========================
|
||
R10 549 61 11% R10 25 17 68%
|
||
R11 755 39 5% R11 45 15 33%
|
||
R12 713 26 4% R12 25 6 24%
|
||
R13 979 62 6% R13 44 24 55%
|
||
R14 318 10 3% R14 21 3 14%
|
||
R15 339 7 2% R15 19 6 32%
|
||
R16 378 7 2% R16 14 4 29%
|
||
R17 662 30 5% R17 34 11 32%
|
||
R18 983 26 3% R18 78 11 14%
|
||
R19 580 47 8% R19 39 14 36%
|
||
|
||
===================================================================
|
||
In Round 1 of the tallying, the breakdown is
|
||
|
||
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
|
||
====== ============= ==================
|
||
10 BK BK 49
|
||
11 BK ML 21
|
||
12 ML DC 14
|
||
13 JB TIED 12
|
||
14 JS JB 7
|
||
15 BK JS 5
|
||
16 JG JG 2
|
||
17 BK WD 1
|
||
18 BK =====
|
||
19 ML TOTAL NETS 111
|
||
|
||
ROUND 1 RESULTS
|
||
|
||
BALLOT STATISTICS:
|
||
==================
|
||
Total Ballots Cast : 324
|
||
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
|
||
=======
|
||
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
|
||
TALLYING RESULTS:
|
||
================
|
||
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
|
||
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
candidate listed.
|
||
|
||
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
|
||
1 2 3 4 5 6
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Required to win : 159
|
||
===========================================
|
||
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7
|
||
===========================================
|
||
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54
|
||
===========================================
|
||
MIKE LUTHER 72
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JEFF SMITH 26
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JIM BALCOM 31
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JOHN GLINSKI 9
|
||
===========================================
|
||
BOB KOHL 117
|
||
===========================================
|
||
|
||
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
|
||
===============================
|
||
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
|
||
=================================
|
||
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
|
||
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
|
||
<KASA> JG
|
||
10AACHENZEC BK WD JB JG ML JS DC
|
||
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JG JB WD
|
||
171HMB39 DC BK JB JG JS ML WD
|
||
18411 ML DC JG JS JB WD BK
|
||
349UIO DC JB
|
||
34U890890U ML JS
|
||
357LAWTOK ML JS DC WD JG
|
||
45048657 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
5881TUBE BK
|
||
8890TAURUS ML
|
||
946253366 JG ML JS WD JB DC
|
||
9A701 DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
|
||
AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
||
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
|
||
AK322332 JS ML DC WD JG
|
||
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS JG ML WD
|
||
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC WD
|
||
AMORPHIS BK
|
||
ANDROMEDA BK
|
||
ANIMALS DC JS ML JG WD BK
|
||
ANNAONE2 ML
|
||
ATCHAFALAYA WD BK JB JG ML JS
|
||
ATHENS BK
|
||
ATLANTIS JS
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 30 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
ATL_NC JS
|
||
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS JG WD
|
||
BANKER JB
|
||
BASEMENT BK
|
||
BEAR BK BK BK
|
||
BIGWIG ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
BINGLEJINGLE DC
|
||
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB JG DC
|
||
BLACKHOLE JB BK WD JG
|
||
BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
||
BNSFDSF1 BK
|
||
BOOGER ML DC JS WD JG
|
||
BOOKS BK
|
||
BR549369 DC JS ML
|
||
BRAVO BK DC JG JS ML JB WD
|
||
BTSVOTE JB DC
|
||
BUBBLES ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS WD JG
|
||
BULLPEN ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK JB
|
||
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
|
||
CABINET BK
|
||
CABLECAR ML DC JS WD JG BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
|
||
CANNONBALL JB
|
||
CARIBOU BK JB DC JG ML JS WD
|
||
CHEST JB DC
|
||
CHRISTIAN JB
|
||
CHUVEN JB
|
||
CJ4681 JS
|
||
CLAWSON JB DC
|
||
CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
||
CMBTARMS ML WD DC JB JG
|
||
CORDLESS ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
CREATIVE ML JG JB WD DC JS BK
|
||
CRYPTIC JB
|
||
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML JS DC WD JG JB
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK JG
|
||
DIRECPC ML JG DC WD JS BK JB
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUOFONEIXI JS
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EAGLE JB
|
||
EAGLE103 JS
|
||
EDNAMG ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 31 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK JB JG
|
||
ELMO JB DC
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EPENDYMAL JB
|
||
EREBUS ML JS JG DC WD
|
||
EREVER DC JB
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK JG JB JS
|
||
EXEGETE JS
|
||
FAIRVIEW DC
|
||
FALLPON DC WD
|
||
FARFROMIT JS DC ML JG WD
|
||
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FLACT ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK JB
|
||
FNEEP ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
FOLLOWER JB
|
||
FORVM JG
|
||
FOXWOOD DC JS ML JG
|
||
FRAMOUS DC ML JG JS JB WD
|
||
FRANKY DC
|
||
FROG BK JB
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE WD DC JB JG ML JS BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB WD JG DC ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOJEFF JS
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JG JB
|
||
GOODLUCK DC JB
|
||
GORP JB
|
||
GRELBER DC BK ML WD JB JG (1) JS
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML DC
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
|
||
HATAMOTO JG DC BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK JB WD ML JS JG DC
|
||
HEREWEGO WD DC ML JB JG JS BK
|
||
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC WD
|
||
HIMALC DC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML JG DC BK WD JS JB
|
||
HOSPITAL JB
|
||
HURRICANE JB
|
||
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC WD JG BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK JB WD DC ML JS JG
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML JB
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 32 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC WD JG JB
|
||
INVICTUS ML DC JG JS JB WD BK
|
||
ISBBS DC JB
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
IVOTED DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN JS ML DC JG
|
||
JED106-977 ML DC
|
||
JSARGEANT WD
|
||
JUSENKYO ML JS JG WD DC
|
||
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON JG BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER JS DC ML WD JG JB
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS JG DC
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS JG DC JB WD BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML JS DC JG BK WD JB
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA WD BK DC JS ML JG JB
|
||
LOSTPINES ML JS DC WD JG JB BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM JS ML DC JG
|
||
MAJICALLY JB
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK WD JB DC ML JS JG
|
||
MAXIMAX JB
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK JG DC JS WD JB
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY JG DC ML BK JS JB WD
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK DC JG JB
|
||
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML JG WD BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT15 DC
|
||
MILESG ML DC JS WD
|
||
MOMINCOL ML DC JS WD
|
||
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML JS DC JG JB BK WD
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
MOUSE1 JB
|
||
MTBMWITE JS ML DC WD JG JB
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC WD ML BK JB JG JS
|
||
MYSTI ML JS DC JG JB WD BK
|
||
NAGANO BK JB
|
||
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JG WD JS ML
|
||
NECROMANCER JG
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
|
||
NOKOHL JS DC
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 33 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
NOSPAMERS DC
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL DC JB BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NOWAYBK JS
|
||
NUKEFROG DC JS ML
|
||
NYRANGERS JB DC
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC WD ML JG JS
|
||
OMMANIS ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
ONEAGLE DC JB
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK JB WD DC JG ML JS
|
||
OSCAR JS
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
OUTLANDISH JS
|
||
PA-5-NODE DC
|
||
PACKARDS DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
|
||
PEANUT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
PEPPER01 WD DC ML JS JB JG BK
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML WD
|
||
PINKEROONIE DC
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS WD JG
|
||
PONTOON DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PROMISE JB
|
||
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
|
||
PUDDING ML JS DC WD JG JB
|
||
QUICKIEP JB BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML WD DC JG
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA JS ML DC JG
|
||
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
|
||
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSE DC
|
||
ROSES! BK JB JG WD DC ML JS
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SAFETY22 JS
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK WD ML JG
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCHLITZ JB
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 34 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
SCHWARTZ JG
|
||
SCORPIUS ML DC JG JS
|
||
SCREWS BK JB WD ML DC JG
|
||
SCYLLA WD BK DC JB JG ML JS
|
||
SEATREND DC
|
||
SERAMANDIAS JG DC BK
|
||
SEYCHELLES JB DC
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
SIG2VOTE JB
|
||
SIGMAONE BK JS
|
||
SIGNAL ML JS BK
|
||
SIKMY ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK DC JS
|
||
SPACEACE DC
|
||
SPECIFIC BK WD
|
||
SPITZBARTH DC JS WD ML JB JG
|
||
SQUIRT ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
SSBEER JS DC BK
|
||
STUPID JB DC
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
SYBHAMGK JB
|
||
TAXTIME DC JB
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML JG WD BK
|
||
TURKEY ML JG DC BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML JS WD DC
|
||
USAA DC ML JS JG
|
||
USAGIYO JB BK DC
|
||
VALHALLA JB
|
||
VERYLATE BK DC JS
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML WD JB JG
|
||
VILLAGE DC JB BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK JB
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARBOND JS
|
||
WARLORD BK JB
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK JB DC
|
||
WILKEN ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
WOLFHYB JB
|
||
WOMBAT ML JG DC WD JS BK JB
|
||
WONDERBUNNY JB
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 35 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
WOTMEWORRY DC
|
||
WPETSUCH BK
|
||
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
|
||
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
ZABBADO BK
|
||
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
|
||
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
|
||
ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
|
||
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
|
||
FOOTNOTES:
|
||
|
||
(1) Invalid candidate listed
|
||
|
||
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
|
||
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
|
||
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
||
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
||
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
|
||
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
||
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
|
||
of the voting period.
|
||
|
||
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
||
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
|
||
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
|
||
is the time of the ballot.
|
||
|
||
====================================================================
|
||
In Round 2 of the tallying, the breakdown is
|
||
|
||
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
|
||
====== ============= ==================
|
||
10 BK BK 50
|
||
11 BK ML 21
|
||
12 ML DC 14
|
||
13 JB TIED 12
|
||
14 JS JB 7
|
||
15 BK JS 5
|
||
16 JG JG 2
|
||
17 BK =====
|
||
18 BK 111
|
||
19 ML
|
||
|
||
ROUND 2 RESULTS
|
||
|
||
BALLOT STATISTICS:
|
||
==================
|
||
Total Ballots Cast : 324
|
||
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
|
||
=======
|
||
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
|
||
TALLYING RESULTS:
|
||
================
|
||
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
|
||
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 36 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
candidate listed.
|
||
|
||
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
|
||
1 2 3 4 5 6
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Valid Ballots : 316 315
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Required to win : 159 158
|
||
===========================================
|
||
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM
|
||
===========================================
|
||
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57
|
||
===========================================
|
||
MIKE LUTHER 72 72
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JEFF SMITH 26 26
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JIM BALCOM 31 31
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9
|
||
===========================================
|
||
BOB KOHL 117 120
|
||
===========================================
|
||
|
||
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
|
||
===============================
|
||
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
|
||
=================================
|
||
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
|
||
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
|
||
<KASA> JG
|
||
10AACHENZEC BK JB JG ML JS DC
|
||
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JG JB
|
||
171HMB39 DC BK JB JG JS ML
|
||
18411 ML DC JG JS JB BK
|
||
349UIO DC JB
|
||
34U890890U ML JS
|
||
357LAWTOK ML JS DC JG
|
||
45048657 ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
5881TUBE BK
|
||
8890TAURUS ML
|
||
946253366 JG ML JS JB DC
|
||
9A701 DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
|
||
AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
||
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
|
||
AK322332 JS ML DC JG
|
||
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS JG ML
|
||
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC
|
||
AMORPHIS BK
|
||
ANDROMEDA BK
|
||
ANIMALS DC JS ML JG BK
|
||
ANNAONE2 ML
|
||
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB JG ML JS
|
||
ATHENS BK
|
||
ATLANTIS JS
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 37 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
ATL_NC JS
|
||
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS JG
|
||
BANKER JB
|
||
BASEMENT BK
|
||
BEAR BK BK BK
|
||
BIGWIG ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
BINGLEJINGLE DC
|
||
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB JG DC
|
||
BLACKHOLE JB BK JG
|
||
BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
||
BNSFDSF1 BK
|
||
BOOGER ML DC JS JG
|
||
BOOKS BK
|
||
BR549369 DC JS ML
|
||
BRAVO BK DC JG JS ML JB
|
||
BTSVOTE JB DC
|
||
BUBBLES ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS JG
|
||
BULLPEN ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK JB
|
||
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
|
||
CABINET BK
|
||
CABLECAR ML DC JS JG BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
|
||
CANNONBALL JB
|
||
CARIBOU BK JB DC JG ML JS
|
||
CHEST JB DC
|
||
CHRISTIAN JB
|
||
CHUVEN JB
|
||
CJ4681 JS
|
||
CLAWSON JB DC
|
||
CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
||
CMBTARMS ML DC JB JG
|
||
CORDLESS ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
CREATIVE ML JG JB DC JS BK
|
||
CRYPTIC JB
|
||
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML JS DC JG JB
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK JG
|
||
DIRECPC ML JG DC JS BK JB
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUOFONEIXI JS
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EAGLE JB
|
||
EAGLE103 JS
|
||
EDNAMG ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 38 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK JB JG
|
||
ELMO JB DC
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EPENDYMAL JB
|
||
EREBUS ML JS JG DC
|
||
EREVER DC JB
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK JG JB JS
|
||
EXEGETE JS
|
||
FAIRVIEW DC
|
||
FALLPON DC
|
||
FARFROMIT JS DC ML JG
|
||
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FLACT ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK JB
|
||
FNEEP ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
FOLLOWER JB
|
||
FORVM JG
|
||
FOXWOOD DC JS ML JG
|
||
FRAMOUS DC ML JG JS JB
|
||
FRANKY DC
|
||
FROG BK JB
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE DC JB JG ML JS BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB JG DC ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOJEFF JS
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JG JB
|
||
GOODLUCK DC JB
|
||
GORP JB
|
||
GRELBER DC BK ML JB JG (1) JS
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML DC
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
|
||
HATAMOTO JG DC BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML JS JG DC
|
||
HEREWEGO DC ML JB JG JS BK
|
||
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC
|
||
HIMALC DC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML JG DC BK JS JB
|
||
HOSPITAL JB
|
||
HURRICANE JB
|
||
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC JG BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML JS JG
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML JB
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 39 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC JG JB
|
||
INVICTUS ML DC JG JS JB BK
|
||
ISBBS DC JB
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
IVOTED DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN JS ML DC JG
|
||
JED106-977 ML DC
|
||
JUSENKYO ML JS JG DC
|
||
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON JG BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER JS DC ML JG JB
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS JG DC
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS JG DC JB BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML JS DC JG BK JB
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA BK DC JS ML JG JB
|
||
LOSTPINES ML JS DC JG JB BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM JS ML DC JG
|
||
MAJICALLY JB
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML JS JG
|
||
MAXIMAX JB
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK JG DC JS JB
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY JG DC ML BK JS JB
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK DC JG JB
|
||
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML JG BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT15 DC
|
||
MILESG ML DC JS
|
||
MOMINCOL ML DC JS
|
||
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML JS DC JG JB BK
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
MOUSE1 JB
|
||
MTBMWITE JS ML DC JG JB
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB JG JS
|
||
MYSTI ML JS DC JG JB BK
|
||
NAGANO BK JB
|
||
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JG JS ML
|
||
NECROMANCER JG
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
|
||
NOKOHL JS DC
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 40 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
NOSPAMERS DC
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL DC JB BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NOWAYBK JS
|
||
NUKEFROG DC JS ML
|
||
NYRANGERS JB DC
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML JG JS
|
||
OMMANIS ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
ONEAGLE DC JB
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC JG ML JS
|
||
OSCAR JS
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
OUTLANDISH JS
|
||
PA-5-NODE DC
|
||
PACKARDS DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
|
||
PEANUT DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
PEPPER01 DC ML JS JB JG BK
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML
|
||
PINKEROONIE DC
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS JG
|
||
PONTOON DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PROMISE JB
|
||
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
|
||
PUDDING ML JS DC JG JB
|
||
QUICKIEP JB BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML DC JG
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA JS ML DC JG
|
||
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
|
||
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSE DC
|
||
ROSES! BK JB JG DC ML JS
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SAFETY22 JS
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK ML JG
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCHLITZ JB
|
||
SCHWARTZ JG
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 41 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
SCORPIUS ML DC JG JS
|
||
SCREWS BK JB ML DC JG
|
||
SCYLLA BK DC JB JG ML JS
|
||
SEATREND DC
|
||
SERAMANDIAS JG DC BK
|
||
SEYCHELLES JB DC
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
SIG2VOTE JB
|
||
SIGMAONE BK JS
|
||
SIGNAL ML JS BK
|
||
SIKMY ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK DC JS
|
||
SPACEACE DC
|
||
SPECIFIC BK
|
||
SPITZBARTH DC JS ML JB JG
|
||
SQUIRT ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
SSBEER JS DC BK
|
||
STUPID JB DC
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
SYBHAMGK JB
|
||
TAXTIME DC JB
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JG JB BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML JG BK
|
||
TURKEY ML JG DC BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML JS DC
|
||
USAA DC ML JS JG
|
||
USAGIYO JB BK DC
|
||
VALHALLA JB
|
||
VERYLATE BK DC JS
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML JB JG
|
||
VILLAGE DC JB BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK JB
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARBOND JS
|
||
WARLORD BK JB
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK JB DC
|
||
WILKEN ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
WOLFHYB JB
|
||
WOMBAT ML JG DC JS BK JB
|
||
WONDERBUNNY JB
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
|
||
WOTMEWORRY DC
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 42 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
WPETSUCH BK
|
||
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
|
||
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
ZABBADO BK
|
||
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JG JS BK
|
||
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
|
||
ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
|
||
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
|
||
FOOTNOTES:
|
||
|
||
(1) Invalid candidate listed
|
||
|
||
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
|
||
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
|
||
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
||
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
||
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
|
||
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
||
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
|
||
of the voting period.
|
||
|
||
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
||
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
|
||
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
|
||
is the time of the ballot.
|
||
|
||
===================================================================
|
||
In Round 3 of the tallying, the breakdown is
|
||
|
||
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
|
||
====== ============= ==================
|
||
10 BK BK 51
|
||
11 BK ML 20
|
||
12 ML DC 15
|
||
13 DC TIED 13
|
||
14 JS JS 6
|
||
15 BK JB 6
|
||
16 DC =====
|
||
17 BK 111
|
||
18 BK
|
||
19 ML
|
||
|
||
ROUND 3 RESULTS
|
||
|
||
BALLOT STATISTICS:
|
||
==================
|
||
Total Ballots Cast : 324
|
||
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
|
||
=======
|
||
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
|
||
TALLYING RESULTS:
|
||
================
|
||
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
|
||
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
|
||
candidate listed.
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 43 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
|
||
1 2 3 4 5 6
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Required to win : 159 158 156
|
||
===========================================
|
||
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60
|
||
===========================================
|
||
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
BOB KOHL 117 120 121
|
||
===========================================
|
||
|
||
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
|
||
===============================
|
||
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
|
||
=================================
|
||
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
|
||
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
|
||
10AACHENZEC BK JB ML JS DC
|
||
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JB
|
||
171HMB39 DC BK JB JS ML
|
||
18411 ML DC JS JB BK
|
||
349UIO DC JB
|
||
34U890890U ML JS
|
||
357LAWTOK ML JS DC
|
||
45048657 ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
5881TUBE BK
|
||
8890TAURUS ML
|
||
946253366 ML JS JB DC
|
||
9A701 DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
|
||
AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
||
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
|
||
AK322332 JS ML DC
|
||
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS ML
|
||
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC
|
||
AMORPHIS BK
|
||
ANDROMEDA BK
|
||
ANIMALS DC JS ML BK
|
||
ANNAONE2 ML
|
||
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB ML JS
|
||
ATHENS BK
|
||
ATLANTIS JS
|
||
ATL_NC JS
|
||
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS
|
||
BANKER JB
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
BASEMENT BK
|
||
BEAR BK BK BK
|
||
BIGWIG ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
BINGLEJINGLE DC
|
||
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB DC
|
||
BLACKHOLE JB BK
|
||
BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
||
BNSFDSF1 BK
|
||
BOOGER ML DC JS
|
||
BOOKS BK
|
||
BR549369 DC JS ML
|
||
BRAVO BK DC JS ML JB
|
||
BTSVOTE JB DC
|
||
BUBBLES ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS
|
||
BULLPEN ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK JB
|
||
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
|
||
CABINET BK
|
||
CABLECAR ML DC JS BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
|
||
CANNONBALL JB
|
||
CARIBOU BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
CHEST JB DC
|
||
CHRISTIAN JB
|
||
CHUVEN JB
|
||
CJ4681 JS
|
||
CLAWSON JB DC
|
||
CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
||
CMBTARMS ML DC JB
|
||
CORDLESS ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
CREATIVE ML JB DC JS BK
|
||
CRYPTIC JB
|
||
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML JS DC JB
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK
|
||
DIRECPC ML DC JS BK JB
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUOFONEIXI JS
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EAGLE JB
|
||
EAGLE103 JS
|
||
EDNAMG ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK JB
|
||
ELMO JB DC
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 45 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EPENDYMAL JB
|
||
EREBUS ML JS DC
|
||
EREVER DC JB
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK JB JS
|
||
EXEGETE JS
|
||
FAIRVIEW DC
|
||
FALLPON DC
|
||
FARFROMIT JS DC ML
|
||
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FLACT ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK JB
|
||
FNEEP ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
FOLLOWER JB
|
||
FOXWOOD DC JS ML
|
||
FRAMOUS DC ML JS JB
|
||
FRANKY DC
|
||
FROG BK JB
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE DC JB ML JS BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB DC ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOJEFF JS
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JB
|
||
GOODLUCK DC JB
|
||
GORP JB
|
||
GRELBER DC BK ML JB (1) JS
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML DC
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
|
||
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML JS DC
|
||
HEREWEGO DC ML JB JS BK
|
||
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC
|
||
HIMALC DC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML DC BK JS JB
|
||
HOSPITAL JB
|
||
HURRICANE JB
|
||
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML JB
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC JB
|
||
INVICTUS ML DC JS JB BK
|
||
ISBBS DC JB
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 46 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
IVOTED DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN JS ML DC
|
||
JED106-977 ML DC
|
||
JUSENKYO ML JS DC
|
||
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER JS DC ML JB
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS DC
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS DC JB BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML JS DC BK JB
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA BK DC JS ML JB
|
||
LOSTPINES ML JS DC JB BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM JS ML DC
|
||
MAJICALLY JB
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
MAXIMAX JB
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC JS JB
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY DC ML BK JS JB
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK DC JB
|
||
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT15 DC
|
||
MILESG ML DC JS
|
||
MOMINCOL ML DC JS
|
||
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML JS DC JB BK
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
MOUSE1 JB
|
||
MTBMWITE JS ML DC JB
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB JS
|
||
MYSTI ML JS DC JB BK
|
||
NAGANO BK JB
|
||
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JS ML
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
|
||
NOKOHL JS DC
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
NOSPAMERS DC
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL DC JB BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NOWAYBK JS
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 47 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
NUKEFROG DC JS ML
|
||
NYRANGERS JB DC
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
OMMANIS ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
ONEAGLE DC JB
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
OSCAR JS
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
OUTLANDISH JS
|
||
PA-5-NODE DC
|
||
PACKARDS DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
|
||
PEANUT DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
PEPPER01 DC ML JS JB BK
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML
|
||
PINKEROONIE DC
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS
|
||
PONTOON DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PROMISE JB
|
||
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
|
||
PUDDING ML JS DC JB
|
||
QUICKIEP JB BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML DC
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA JS ML DC
|
||
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
|
||
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSE DC
|
||
ROSES! BK JB DC ML JS
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SAFETY22 JS
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK ML
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCHLITZ JB
|
||
SCORPIUS ML DC JS
|
||
SCREWS BK JB ML DC
|
||
SCYLLA BK DC JB ML JS
|
||
SEATREND DC
|
||
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
|
||
SEYCHELLES JB DC
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 48 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
SIG2VOTE JB
|
||
SIGMAONE BK JS
|
||
SIGNAL ML JS BK
|
||
SIKMY ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK DC JS
|
||
SPACEACE DC
|
||
SPECIFIC BK
|
||
SPITZBARTH DC JS ML JB
|
||
SQUIRT ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
SSBEER JS DC BK
|
||
STUPID JB DC
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
SYBHAMGK JB
|
||
TAXTIME DC JB
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JB BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML BK
|
||
TURKEY ML DC BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML JS DC
|
||
USAA DC ML JS
|
||
USAGIYO JB BK DC
|
||
VALHALLA JB
|
||
VERYLATE BK DC JS
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML JB
|
||
VILLAGE DC JB BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK JB
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARBOND JS
|
||
WARLORD BK JB
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK JB DC
|
||
WILKEN ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
WOLFHYB JB
|
||
WOMBAT ML DC JS BK JB
|
||
WONDERBUNNY JB
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
|
||
WOTMEWORRY DC
|
||
WPETSUCH BK
|
||
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
|
||
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
ZABBADO BK
|
||
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JS BK
|
||
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 49 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
|
||
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
|
||
FOOTNOTES:
|
||
|
||
(1) Invalid candidate listed
|
||
|
||
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
|
||
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
|
||
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
||
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
||
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
|
||
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
||
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
|
||
of the voting period.
|
||
|
||
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
||
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
|
||
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
|
||
is the time of the ballot.
|
||
|
||
===================================================================
|
||
In Round 4 of the tallying, the breakdown is
|
||
|
||
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
|
||
====== ============= ==================
|
||
10 BK BK 49
|
||
11 BK ML 23
|
||
12 ML DC 19
|
||
13 DC TIED 11
|
||
14 DC JB 6
|
||
15 BK ====
|
||
16 DC 108
|
||
17 BK
|
||
18 BK
|
||
19 ML
|
||
|
||
ROUND 4 RESULTS
|
||
BALLOT STATISTICS:
|
||
==================
|
||
Total Ballots Cast : 324
|
||
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
|
||
=======
|
||
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
|
||
TALLYING RESULTS:
|
||
================
|
||
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
|
||
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
|
||
candidate listed.
|
||
|
||
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
|
||
1 2 3 4 5 6
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Required to win : 159 158 156 150
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 50 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
===========================================
|
||
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65
|
||
===========================================
|
||
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121
|
||
===========================================
|
||
|
||
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
|
||
===============================
|
||
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
|
||
=================================
|
||
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
|
||
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
|
||
10AACHENZEC BK JB ML DC
|
||
1326ELIZ BK DC ML JB
|
||
171HMB39 DC BK JB ML
|
||
18411 ML DC JB BK
|
||
349UIO DC JB
|
||
34U890890U ML
|
||
357LAWTOK ML DC
|
||
45048657 ML DC JB BK
|
||
5881TUBE BK
|
||
8890TAURUS ML
|
||
946253366 ML JB DC
|
||
9A701 DC ML JB BK
|
||
A4M3O6R1C DC JB
|
||
AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
||
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
|
||
AK322332 ML DC
|
||
ALADDIN DC BK JB ML
|
||
ALINCOLN2 ML DC
|
||
AMORPHIS BK
|
||
ANDROMEDA BK
|
||
ANIMALS DC ML BK
|
||
ANNAONE2 ML
|
||
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB ML
|
||
ATHENS BK
|
||
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB
|
||
BANKER JB
|
||
BASEMENT BK
|
||
BEAR BK BK BK
|
||
BIGWIG ML DC JB BK
|
||
BINGLEJINGLE DC
|
||
BKJSJBJGDC BK JB DC
|
||
BLACKHOLE JB BK
|
||
BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 51 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
BNSFDSF1 BK
|
||
BOOGER ML DC
|
||
BOOKS BK
|
||
BR549369 DC ML
|
||
BRAVO BK DC ML JB
|
||
BTSVOTE JB DC
|
||
BUBBLES ML DC JB BK
|
||
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC
|
||
BULLPEN ML DC JB BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK JB
|
||
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD DC ML
|
||
CABINET BK
|
||
CABLECAR ML DC BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
|
||
CANNONBALL JB
|
||
CARIBOU BK JB DC ML
|
||
CHEST JB DC
|
||
CHRISTIAN JB
|
||
CHUVEN JB
|
||
CLAWSON JB DC
|
||
CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
||
CMBTARMS ML DC JB
|
||
CORDLESS ML DC JB BK
|
||
CREATIVE ML JB DC BK
|
||
CRYPTIC JB
|
||
CSID_HQ ML DC JB BK
|
||
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML DC JB
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK
|
||
DIRECPC ML DC BK JB
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS DC ML JB BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EAGLE JB
|
||
EDNAMG ML DC JB BK
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK JB
|
||
ELMO JB DC
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EPENDYMAL JB
|
||
EREBUS ML DC
|
||
EREVER DC JB
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK JB
|
||
FAIRVIEW DC
|
||
FALLPON DC
|
||
FARFROMIT DC ML
|
||
FIDOELEC DC ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 52 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
FLACT ML DC JB BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK JB
|
||
FNEEP ML DC JB BK
|
||
FOLLOWER JB
|
||
FOXWOOD DC ML
|
||
FRAMOUS DC ML JB
|
||
FRANKY DC
|
||
FROG BK JB
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE DC JB ML BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE DC BK
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK JB DC ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JB
|
||
GOODLUCK DC JB
|
||
GORP JB
|
||
GRELBER DC BK ML JB (1)
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML DC
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
|
||
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML DC
|
||
HEREWEGO DC ML JB BK
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML DC
|
||
HIMALC DC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML DC BK JB
|
||
HOSPITAL JB
|
||
HURRICANE JB
|
||
IBOGAINE ML DC JB BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 ML JB DC BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML JB
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML DC JB
|
||
INVICTUS ML DC JB BK
|
||
ISBBS DC JB
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
IVOTED DC ML JB BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN ML DC
|
||
JED106-977 ML DC
|
||
JUSENKYO ML DC
|
||
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER DC ML JB
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML DC
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML DC JB BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML DC BK JB
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA BK DC ML JB
|
||
LOSTPINES ML DC JB BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH DC ML JB BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM ML DC
|
||
MAJICALLY JB
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML
|
||
MAXIMAX JB
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC JB
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY DC ML BK JB
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK DC JB
|
||
MIDNIGHT DC JB ML BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT15 DC
|
||
MILESG ML DC
|
||
MOMINCOL ML DC
|
||
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML DC JB BK
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT DC ML JB BK
|
||
MOUSE1 JB
|
||
MTBMWITE ML DC JB
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB
|
||
MYSTI ML DC JB BK
|
||
NAGANO BK JB
|
||
NATURIST1 DC BK JB ML
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
|
||
NOKOHL DC
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
NOSPAMERS DC
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL DC JB BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NUKEFROG DC ML
|
||
NYRANGERS JB DC
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML
|
||
OMMANIS ML DC JB BK
|
||
ONEAGLE DC JB
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC ML
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
PA-5-NODE DC
|
||
PACKARDS DC ML JB BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK JB
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
|
||
PEANUT DC ML JB BK
|
||
PEPPER01 DC ML JB BK
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML
|
||
PINKEROONIE DC
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML DC
|
||
PONTOON DC ML JB BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PROMISE JB
|
||
PT2716FL BK DC JB ML
|
||
PUDDING ML DC JB
|
||
QUICKIEP JB BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML DC
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML DC JB BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA ML DC
|
||
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
|
||
ROGIER BK JB ML
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSE DC
|
||
ROSES! BK JB DC ML
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY DC JB BK ML
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCHLITZ JB
|
||
SCORPIUS ML DC
|
||
SCREWS BK JB ML DC
|
||
SCYLLA BK DC JB ML
|
||
SEATREND DC
|
||
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
|
||
SEYCHELLES JB DC
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB BK
|
||
SIG2VOTE JB
|
||
SIGMAONE BK
|
||
SIGNAL ML BK
|
||
SIKMY ML DC JB BK
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK DC
|
||
SPACEACE DC
|
||
SPECIFIC BK
|
||
SPITZBARTH DC ML JB
|
||
SQUIRT ML DC JB BK
|
||
SSBEER DC BK
|
||
STUPID JB DC
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
SYBHAMGK JB
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
TAXTIME DC JB
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE DC JB BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT DC ML JB BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK DC JB ML BK
|
||
TURKEY ML DC BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML DC
|
||
USAA DC ML
|
||
USAGIYO JB BK DC
|
||
VALHALLA JB
|
||
VERYLATE BK DC
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK DC ML JB
|
||
VILLAGE DC JB BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK JB
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARLORD BK JB
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK JB DC
|
||
WILKEN ML DC JB BK
|
||
WOLFHYB JB
|
||
WOMBAT ML DC BK JB
|
||
WONDERBUNNY JB
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
|
||
WOTMEWORRY DC
|
||
WPETSUCH BK
|
||
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
|
||
YEAR2000 ML DC JB BK
|
||
ZABBADO BK
|
||
ZAJADICI ML DC JB BK
|
||
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC
|
||
ZZYZX123 ML BK DC
|
||
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
|
||
FOOTNOTES:
|
||
|
||
(1) Invalid candidate listed
|
||
|
||
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
|
||
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
|
||
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
||
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
||
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
|
||
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
||
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
|
||
of the voting period.
|
||
|
||
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
||
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
|
||
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
|
||
is the time of the ballot.
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
===================================================================
|
||
In Round 5 of the tallying, the breakdown is
|
||
|
||
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
|
||
====== ============= ==================
|
||
10 BK BK 49
|
||
11 BK ML 25
|
||
12 ML DC 23
|
||
13 DC TIED 8
|
||
14 DC
|
||
15 BK
|
||
16 DC
|
||
17 BK
|
||
18 BK
|
||
19 ML
|
||
|
||
ROUND 5 RESULTS
|
||
|
||
BALLOT STATISTICS:
|
||
==================
|
||
Total Ballots Cast : 324
|
||
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
|
||
=======
|
||
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
|
||
|
||
TALLYING RESULTS:
|
||
================
|
||
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
|
||
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
|
||
candidate listed.
|
||
|
||
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
|
||
1 2 3 4 5 6
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298 277
|
||
===========================================
|
||
Required to win : 159 158 156 150 139
|
||
===========================================
|
||
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65 72
|
||
===========================================
|
||
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81 81
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31 ELIM ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
|
||
===========================================
|
||
BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121 124
|
||
===========================================
|
||
|
||
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
|
||
===============================
|
||
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================
|
||
(NO PASSWORD) DC
|
||
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
|
||
10AACHENZEC BK ML DC
|
||
1326ELIZ BK DC ML
|
||
171HMB39 DC BK ML
|
||
18411 ML DC BK
|
||
349UIO DC
|
||
34U890890U ML
|
||
357LAWTOK ML DC
|
||
45048657 ML DC BK
|
||
5881TUBE BK
|
||
8890TAURUS ML
|
||
946253366 ML DC
|
||
9A701 DC ML BK
|
||
A4M3O6R1C DC
|
||
AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
||
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
|
||
AK322332 ML DC
|
||
ALADDIN DC BK ML
|
||
ALINCOLN2 ML DC
|
||
AMORPHIS BK
|
||
ANDROMEDA BK
|
||
ANIMALS DC ML BK
|
||
ANNAONE2 ML
|
||
ATCHAFALAYA BK ML
|
||
ATHENS BK
|
||
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML
|
||
BASEMENT BK
|
||
BEAR BK BK BK
|
||
BIGWIG ML DC BK
|
||
BINGLEJINGLE DC
|
||
BKJSJBJGDC BK DC
|
||
BLACKHOLE BK
|
||
BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
||
BNSFDSF1 BK
|
||
BOOGER ML DC
|
||
BOOKS BK
|
||
BR549369 DC ML
|
||
BRAVO BK DC ML
|
||
BTSVOTE DC
|
||
BUBBLES ML DC BK
|
||
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC
|
||
BULLPEN ML DC BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK
|
||
BUNNIES3 ML DC BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD DC ML
|
||
CABINET BK
|
||
CABLECAR ML DC BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC
|
||
CARIBOU BK DC ML
|
||
CHEST DC
|
||
CLAWSON DC
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
||
CMBTARMS ML DC
|
||
CORDLESS ML DC BK
|
||
CREATIVE ML DC BK
|
||
CSID_HQ ML DC BK
|
||
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML DC
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK
|
||
DIRECPC ML DC BK
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS DC ML BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EDNAMG ML DC BK
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK
|
||
ELMO DC
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EREBUS ML DC
|
||
EREVER DC
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK
|
||
FAIRVIEW DC
|
||
FALLPON DC
|
||
FARFROMIT DC ML
|
||
FIDOELEC DC ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FLACT ML DC BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK
|
||
FNEEP ML DC BK
|
||
FOXWOOD DC ML
|
||
FRAMOUS DC ML
|
||
FRANKY DC
|
||
FROG BK
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE DC ML BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE DC BK
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK DC ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE DC BK
|
||
GOODLUCK DC
|
||
GRELBER DC BK ML (1)
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML DC
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK DC
|
||
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK ML DC
|
||
HEREWEGO DC ML BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 59 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML DC
|
||
HIMALC DC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML DC BK
|
||
IBOGAINE ML DC BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 ML DC BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK DC ML
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML DC
|
||
INVICTUS ML DC BK
|
||
ISBBS DC
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
IVOTED DC ML BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN ML DC
|
||
JED106-977 ML DC
|
||
JUSENKYO ML DC
|
||
JUSTBOB BK DC
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER DC ML
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML DC
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML DC BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML DC BK
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA BK DC ML
|
||
LOSTPINES ML DC BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH DC ML BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM ML DC
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK DC ML
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY DC ML BK
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK DC
|
||
MIDNIGHT DC ML BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT15 DC
|
||
MILESG ML DC
|
||
MOMINCOL ML DC
|
||
MONALOH DC BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML DC BK
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT DC ML BK
|
||
MTBMWITE ML DC
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK
|
||
MYSTI ML DC BK
|
||
NAGANO BK
|
||
NATURIST1 DC BK ML
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 60 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML DC
|
||
NOKOHL DC
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
NOSPAMERS DC
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL DC BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NUKEFROG DC ML
|
||
NYRANGERS DC
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK DC ML
|
||
OMMANIS ML DC BK
|
||
ONEAGLE DC
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK DC ML
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
PA-5-NODE DC
|
||
PACKARDS DC ML BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
|
||
PEANUT DC ML BK
|
||
PEPPER01 DC ML BK
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML
|
||
PINKEROONIE DC
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML DC
|
||
PONTOON DC ML BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PT2716FL BK DC ML
|
||
PUDDING ML DC
|
||
QUICKIEP BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML DC
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML DC BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA ML DC
|
||
ROCKETSCIENCE DC
|
||
ROGIER BK ML
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSE DC
|
||
ROSES! BK DC ML
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK DC
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY DC BK ML
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCORPIUS ML DC
|
||
SCREWS BK ML DC
|
||
SCYLLA BK DC ML
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 61 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
SEATREND DC
|
||
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
|
||
SEYCHELLES DC
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML DC BK
|
||
SIGMAONE BK
|
||
SIGNAL ML BK
|
||
SIKMY ML DC BK
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK DC
|
||
SPACEACE DC
|
||
SPECIFIC BK
|
||
SPITZBARTH DC ML
|
||
SQUIRT ML DC BK
|
||
SSBEER DC BK
|
||
STUPID DC
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TAXTIME DC
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE DC BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT DC ML BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK DC ML BK
|
||
TURKEY ML DC BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML DC
|
||
USAA DC ML
|
||
USAGIYO BK DC
|
||
VERYLATE BK DC
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK DC ML
|
||
VILLAGE DC BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARLORD BK
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK DC
|
||
WILKEN ML DC BK
|
||
WOMBAT ML DC BK
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
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WOTMEWORRY DC
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WPETSUCH BK
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WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
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YEAR2000 ML DC BK
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ZABBADO BK
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ZAJADICI ML DC BK
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ZELAZNEY BK DC
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ZZYZX123 ML BK DC
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========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
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FOOTNOTES:
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 62 2 Mar 1998
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(1) Invalid candidate listed
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(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
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information as required by the election rules. Any person that
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cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
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informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
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opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
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If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
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information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
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of the voting period.
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An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
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the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
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the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
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is the time of the ballot.
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===================================================================
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In Round 6 of the tallying, the breakdown is
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REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
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====== ============= ==================
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10 BK BK 60
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11 BK ML 34
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12 ML TIED 6
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13 BK
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14 TIED
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15 BK
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16 BK
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17 BK
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18 BK
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19 ML
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ROUND 6 RESULTS
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BALLOT STATISTICS:
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==================
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Total Ballots Cast : 324
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Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
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=======
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Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
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Ballots eliminated during tallying : 68
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Total Ending Number of Valid Ballots : 248
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TALLYING RESULTS:
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================
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NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
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ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
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candidate listed.
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ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
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1 2 3 4 5 6
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Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298 277 248
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Required to win : 159 158 156 150 139 125
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WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
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DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65 72 ELIM
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MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81 81 109
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JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
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JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31 ELIM ---
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JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
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BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121 124 139
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PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
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1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
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=================================
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_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
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10AACHENZEC BK ML
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1326ELIZ BK ML
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171HMB39 BK ML
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18411 ML BK
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34U890890U ML
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357LAWTOK ML
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45048657 ML BK
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5881TUBE BK
|
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8890TAURUS ML
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946253366 ML
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9A701 ML BK
|
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AAAPOST BK BK BK
|
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ACE5ACE5ACE BK
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AK322332 ML
|
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ALADDIN BK ML
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ALINCOLN2 ML
|
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AMORPHIS BK
|
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ANDROMEDA BK
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ANIMALS ML BK
|
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ANNAONE2 ML
|
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ATCHAFALAYA BK ML
|
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ATHENS BK
|
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AUNIDIAL BK ML
|
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BASEMENT BK
|
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BEAR BK BK BK
|
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BIGWIG ML BK
|
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BKJSJBJGDC BK
|
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BLACKHOLE BK
|
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BLACK BK
|
||
BLOSSOM ML
|
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BNSFDSF1 BK
|
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BOOGER ML
|
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BOOKS BK
|
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BR549369 ML
|
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BRAVO BK ML
|
||
BUBBLES ML BK
|
||
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|
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|
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|
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BUGGYMUTHA ML
|
||
BULLPEN ML BK
|
||
BUM_RAP BK
|
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BUNNIES3 ML BK
|
||
BURTONC ML
|
||
BYTEHEAD ML
|
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CABINET BK
|
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CABLECAR ML BK
|
||
CALADAN BK
|
||
CAMPAIGN98 BK
|
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CARIBOU BK ML
|
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CLMBBSOMNI BK
|
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CMBTARMS ML
|
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CORDLESS ML BK
|
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CREATIVE ML BK
|
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CSID_HQ ML BK
|
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CYGNUSX1 ML BK
|
||
D_P_S:4285 BK
|
||
DARKSTAR ML
|
||
DEI#3 BK
|
||
DILLYGAF BK
|
||
DIRECPC ML BK
|
||
DOGGINIT ML
|
||
DUFUS ML BK
|
||
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
E363 BK
|
||
EDNAMG ML BK
|
||
EILEEN BK
|
||
ELECT1 BK
|
||
EMAILJUNKY ML
|
||
EREBUS ML
|
||
ESUOHTUO BK
|
||
FARFROMIT ML
|
||
FIDOELEC ML
|
||
FIDOGATE BK
|
||
FIREWATER BK
|
||
FLACT ML BK
|
||
FLAME_NOW BK
|
||
FNEEP ML BK
|
||
FOXWOOD ML
|
||
FRAMOUS ML
|
||
FROG BK
|
||
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
FUR_FACE ML BK
|
||
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
GANDALF BK
|
||
GETTHEVOTE BK
|
||
GLIMMERMAN BK ML
|
||
GOBSMUSTGO BK
|
||
GOKOHL BK
|
||
GOLLY-GEE BK
|
||
GRELBER BK ML (1)
|
||
GRIM BK
|
||
GRYPHON ML
|
||
HAGGIE BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 65 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
HAMILTON BK
|
||
HAMMERBAND BK
|
||
HATAMOTO BK ML
|
||
HCS/ORCO BK ML
|
||
HEREWEGO ML BK
|
||
HERMAN BK
|
||
HIDESYSOP ML
|
||
HIMALC ML
|
||
HISTORY ML BK
|
||
IBOGAINE ML BK
|
||
IC3DE1612 ML BK
|
||
IDOP0 BK ML
|
||
IMAVOTIN ML
|
||
IMPEACHCLINTON ML
|
||
INVICTUS ML BK
|
||
ISRAEL BK
|
||
IVOTED ML BK
|
||
IZZAMYVZ BK
|
||
JACLYN ML
|
||
JED106-977 ML
|
||
JUSENKYO ML
|
||
JUSTBOB BK
|
||
JUSTDOIT ML
|
||
KCUL_ON BK
|
||
KEEP8088STR8 BK
|
||
KEEPER ML
|
||
KIYOTI ML
|
||
KNOTKINGKOHL ML
|
||
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML BK
|
||
LADYBUG ML BK
|
||
LASERMEAT BK
|
||
LAURA BK ML
|
||
LOSTPINES ML BK
|
||
LUCENT/TECH ML BK
|
||
LYONESSE BK
|
||
MAGNUM ML
|
||
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MARYLANDS ML
|
||
MASTBLAST BK ML
|
||
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK
|
||
MCDONALD BK
|
||
MERTLAMY ML BK
|
||
MESSAGE ML
|
||
METALLICA BK
|
||
MIDNIGHT ML BK
|
||
MILESG ML
|
||
MOMINCOL ML
|
||
MONALOH BK ML
|
||
MONETARY ML BK
|
||
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
MOONLIGHT ML BK
|
||
MTBMWITE ML
|
||
MYOBMBZ1EMP ML BK
|
||
MYSTI ML BK
|
||
NAGANO BK
|
||
NATURIST1 BK ML
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 66 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
NITRAM BK
|
||
NMB8UIO BK
|
||
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
|
||
NOBOZODIPS ML
|
||
NOMOREGOBS BK
|
||
NONOTIME BK
|
||
NOTDWAYNE BK
|
||
NOVELL BK
|
||
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
|
||
NUKEFROG ML
|
||
OAT66MAN BK
|
||
OGNOLAZY BK ML
|
||
OMMANIS ML BK
|
||
OS/400V3.4 BK ML
|
||
OSSBBS BK
|
||
PACKARDS ML BK
|
||
PARAMEDIC BK
|
||
PASSTHISONE BK
|
||
PASSWORD3073 BK
|
||
PEANUT ML BK
|
||
PEPPER01 ML BK
|
||
PEPSI BK
|
||
PICKLES ML
|
||
PINKFLOYD BK
|
||
PIONEER ML
|
||
PLUSFOUR ML
|
||
PONTOON ML BK
|
||
PRIMESTAR BK
|
||
PROGRAM BK
|
||
PT2716FL BK ML
|
||
PUDDING ML
|
||
QUICKIEP BK
|
||
R80RT BK
|
||
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML
|
||
REACT BK
|
||
REDSARAH ML BK
|
||
REDWOLFPACK BK
|
||
RFC832 BK
|
||
RLEDC1 BK
|
||
ROBERTA ML
|
||
ROGIER BK ML
|
||
RONTOLDMETO ML
|
||
ROSES! BK ML
|
||
ROTTWEILER BK
|
||
SAFE BK
|
||
SALMO BK
|
||
SANE4REALITY BK ML
|
||
SC2COUPE ML
|
||
SCORPIUS ML
|
||
SCREWS BK ML
|
||
SCYLLA BK ML
|
||
SERAMANDIAS BK
|
||
SHEEPDIP ML BK
|
||
SIGMAONE BK
|
||
SIGNAL ML BK
|
||
SIKMY ML BK
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 67 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
SILLINESS BK
|
||
SIMBA ML
|
||
SNERDLY BK
|
||
SOLIDROCK BK
|
||
SOYLENT BK
|
||
SPECIFIC BK
|
||
SPITZBARTH ML
|
||
SQUIRT ML BK
|
||
SSBEER BK
|
||
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TERRI BK
|
||
TESLA001 BK
|
||
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
THE-FUTURE BK
|
||
THEKING BK
|
||
TICKLEFOOT ML BK
|
||
TOADMAN BK
|
||
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
|
||
TSKTSKTSK ML BK
|
||
TURKEY ML BK
|
||
UPTOLATE ML
|
||
USAA ML
|
||
USAGIYO BK
|
||
VERYLATE BK
|
||
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
|
||
VIKINGS BK ML
|
||
VILLAGE BK
|
||
VULGAR32 BK
|
||
W2KIN2000 BK
|
||
WARLORD BK
|
||
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
|
||
WHERE BK
|
||
WILDCARD BK
|
||
WILKEN ML BK
|
||
WOMBAT ML BK
|
||
WOOFWOOF BK
|
||
WPETSUCH BK
|
||
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
|
||
YEAR2000 ML BK
|
||
ZABBADO BK
|
||
ZAJADICI ML BK
|
||
ZELAZNEY BK
|
||
ZZYZX123 ML BK
|
||
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
|
||
FOOTNOTES:
|
||
|
||
(1) Invalid candidate listed
|
||
|
||
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
|
||
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
|
||
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
|
||
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
|
||
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
|
||
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
|
||
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
|
||
of the voting period.
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 68 2 Mar 1998
|
||
|
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|
||
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
|
||
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
|
||
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
|
||
is the time of the ballot.
|
||
|
||
========================== END OF ELECTION RESULTS ===============
|
||
|
||
|
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|
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|
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|
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Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 058
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|
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|
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|
||
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|
||
! 4/051 ! 410 ! 410 0! 406 -4! 403 -3! 403 0! 2!
|
||
! 5/037 ! 91 ! 87 -4! 87 0! 87 0! 87 0! 0!
|
||
! 6/044 ! 322 ! 322 0! 322 0! 322 0! 319 -3! 1!
|
||
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
|
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! 21769 !21626 -143!21624 -2!21489 -135!21414 -75!
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30 Apr 1998
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