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F I D O N E W S -- Volume 13, Number 29 15 July 1996
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | 1-407-383-1372 [1:1/23] |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Christopher Baker 1:374/14 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: FidoNews Editor 1:1/23 |
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| submissions=> cbaker84@digital.net |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION FEATURING ALL THE NEW SECTIONS!
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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Where are we NOW and where are we going? ................. 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
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John Souvestre, 1:396/1 .................................. 2
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3. CORRECTIONS .............................................. 4
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ARTSPEC updated! ......................................... 4
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Region 13 Nodelist error correction available ............ 6
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4. LAND OF THE LOST NODES ................................... 8
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Region 13 Nodes get lost ................................. 8
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5. RETRACTIONS .............................................. 9
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If this had been an actual Retraction .................... 9
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6. ARTICLES ................................................. 10
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Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun] .......................... 10
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Still Being Discussed .................................... 11
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The InfoMail Document Server ............................. 13
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Region 18 Missing Person Search Echo - R18SEARCH ......... 14
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Old Standards, New Machines .............................. 16
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7. COLUMNS .................................................. 17
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Waste of Space in FidoNews? .............................. 17
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8. REVIEWS .................................................. 19
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Reviewing ftp.fidonet.org ................................ 19
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9. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 20
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Zone & Region Coordinators Speak here .................... 20
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Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 194 ...... 20
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And more!
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 1 15 Jul 1996
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EDITORIAL
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FidoNet has come a long way since it began over twelve years ago.
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But how far has it come lately?
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There hasn't been any discerible movement toward selecting an
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International Coordinator [IC] from the current field of 6 Zone
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Coordinators [ZC]. Are we ever going to get one and move along in
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the areas of Policy and Standards?
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As our guest editorial indicates, we don't even have regular updates
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from the other Zones for the master Nodelist. Where are the diffs
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[Nodelist difference files] from Zones 2-6? Are they getting ours
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from Zone 1? This still is an INTERNATIONAL hobby, isn't it?
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Are there any reports from the FTSC [FidoNet Technical Standards
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Committee] on the state of our Standards? Updates to our practices?
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Presumably, software authors are still at it and things have changed
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in the last couple years, yes?
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Hello, out there! Here's your vehicle for spreading your news. How
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about some chiming in from the ZCs and FTSC Chair? What gives? Talk
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to us!
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CB
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NOTE: This Issue contains ALL the new sections available. Some of
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them may just be dummy files to show their locations and use.
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ARTSPEC.DOC has been updated to include them. Also see the
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FIDONEWS Echo for details. All sections will not appear in
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all Issues depending on what is submitted.
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 2 15 Jul 1996
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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--- Following message extracted from FN_SYSOP @ 1:374/14 ---
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From: John Souvestre
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To: ZC's
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Date: 06 Jul 96 21:30:24
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Subj: NodeLists
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* Original to ZC's at 1:396/1 in "netmail"
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* Forwarded Sat Jul 06 1996 21:34:48 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1
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cc: George Peace 1:270/101
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Bob Satti 1:153/6
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Colin Wheat 3:690/613
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David Nugent 3:632/348
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Egons Bush 2:5100/8
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Ward Dossche 2:292/854
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Adolfo Justiniano 4:823/1
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Ariel Nardelli 4:4/0
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Junsei Yamada 6:730/2
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Kazuyoshi Shinada 6:730/9
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Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2
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ZONEGATE echo
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FN_SYSOP echo
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Hello ZC's.
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I am writing as a concerned FidoNet node. The NodeLists in various
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zones seem to be way out of sync quite often. The ZSEGS file area
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was set up a few years ago to help move the NodeList info between the
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ZC's. It seems to work well, when used. But not all of the ZC's seem
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to use it on a regular basis or their links are bad.
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Here is a map of the ZSEGS file area:
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1:270/101
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+--- 1:153/6 Zone 1 Coord - good link
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| +--- 3:690/613 Zone 3 Coord - intermittent link
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+--- 1:396/1
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| +--- 2:5100/8
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| | +--- 2:292/854 Zone 2 Coord - good link
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| +--- 4:823/1
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| | +--- 4:4/0 Zone 4 Coord - good link
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| +--- 6:730/2
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 3 15 Jul 1996
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| +--- 6:730/9 Zone 6 Coord - bad link
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+--- 5:7104/2 Zone 5 Coord - intermittent link
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Almost all of the international links are via FTP. I mention this
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because I'd like to encourage you to send FULL segments, not just the
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diff's. One missed diff and the game is over. This isn't a problem
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with segments. The cost is low enough that sending full segments is
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justified.
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Come on guys, please use it and get our NodeLists in sync!
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Thank you for your consideration.
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Regards,
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John
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Origin: Southern Star -V32b/V.FC/V.34/ISDN - 504-885-5928- (1:396/1)
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 4 15 Jul 1996
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CORRECTIONS
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ARTSPEC has been adjusted with more submission types and a couple of
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notes. The new version has been sent to each Zone Coordinator and
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hatched out into COORDUTL and SDS area SOFTDIST. ARTSPEC is always
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available here [1:1/23 {1:374/14}] by that magicname.
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***[new]
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* Articles submitted via Netmail or email must contain all the
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technically required lines and delimiters in the BODY of the
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message. This includes the *[title] line and the 70 character
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delayed from appearing in FidoNews.
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***
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The following new filetypes are available for submissions:
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***[additions]
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File types are used to distinguish types of submissions, as
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follows:
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.ART An article, commentary, open letter, or general news
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item.
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.GUE Want to write a Guest Editorial? [*Name & Node on line 1]
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.RET Need to make a Retraction of a previous article or notice?
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.COL Want to become a regular contributor with your own column?
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.PRF Want to Proofread? Get a cookie for spotting errors.
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.REV Reviews of related products, services or programs.
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.JOK Net humor in print.
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.CMX Comics in ASCII [watch those line counts at 70 columns!]
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.AD Advertising FREE services or events.
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.SAL "For Sale"
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.WAN "Wanted"
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.NOT A notice for the back of the issue. Keep them short.
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If your file doesn't have one of the above extensions, then it
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will lay around taking up disk space until someone takes a look
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at it and realizes what it is. Maybe.
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***[new]
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* RIGHT MARGIN AT COLUMN 70 OR LESS: Less is tolerable, more is
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definitely not. If your cursor is resting at column 71 when
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your line is ended, you're okay. One character past that even
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with trailing spaces and MAKENEWS will barf on your submission.
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If your submission is physically rejected, the Editor will have
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to fix it manually or send it back for reformatting.
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***[additions]
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 5 15 Jul 1996
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The first line of text is the Table of Contents line. It must
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begin with an asterisk * as shown above. If you do not, the
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article will not be listed in the Table of Contents. This Table of
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Contents listing method works for all submission file types.
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* Everything that follows the *'ed line will appear in the body
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of the newsletter. This line will be stripped out of your
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article text so if you want it repeated as your title in the
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article BE SURE to repeat it on a second line without the *.
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***[new]
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SUBMISSION DEADLINES:
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FidoNews is published on Monday of every week. Deadline for file
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submissions to the FidoNews Editor via file-attach is 2300 ET
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[0300 UTC/GMT] the previous Saturday. Deadline for submissions via
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Netmail, email, or in the FIDONEWS Echo is 2300 ET [0300 UTC/GMT]
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the previous Friday. Submissions which miss the deadlines will be
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processed the following week. Submission by deadline is not a
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guarantee of appearance in that week's FidoNews but it is likely
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depending on the volume of submissions.
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-30-
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1. The Netmail submission requirements are specified to make them
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easier and faster to process.
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2. The additional filetypes are to encourage more participation.
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Please note that the Guest Editorial must be signed. Use the
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*[title] option to place your Name and Node number on the first line
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of your .GUE. Anonymous Guest Editorials will not be published.
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3. The line length is 70 characters MAXIMUM. I don't know where the
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72 came from but this edition of MAKENEWS won't take a line over 70
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characters in length. Make sure your submission conforms to that
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line length or it won't get published until it gets noticed as
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rejected by MAKENEWS.
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4. It wasn't in the original specs but the *[title] line gets stripped
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out of your submission after being appended to the Table of Contents.
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If you want it to appear in your article, you will need to repeat it
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on another line WITHOUT the *.
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5. FidoNews didn't have submission deadlines before. These are now
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included for a reference point.
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---
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These notes appeared in the FIDONEWS Echo. If you don't have a link
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yet ask your Backbone feed to carry it. You'll get updates daily
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instead of having to wait a week at a time for news.
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Thanks.
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CB
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 6 15 Jul 1996
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--- Following message extracted from 374SYSOP @ 1:374/14 ---
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From: Ken Tuley
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To: all
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Date: 13 Jul 96 08:53:00
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Subj: R13 nodelist error
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* Forwarded from "HOST18"
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* Originally by Ken Tuley, 1:374/98@fidonet
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* Originally to all
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* Originally dated 13 Jul 1996, 8:53
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A glitch on 1:13/0 resulted in the wiping out of much of Region 13
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from this week's nodelist.
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A corrected regional segment for R13 is available HERE as R13NEW.A94
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or magicname R13FIX, which can be compiled as a private nodelist to
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compensate for the error until the next nodediff comes out.
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Please pass this information on to the members of your nets. Anyone
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who has direct netmail links to the missing R13 nets is undoubtedly
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getting very frustrated already. More than half of the nets in that
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region were affected.
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Thanks for your assistance,
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-=ken=-
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---
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* Origin: SCAM (1:374/98)
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--- Following message extracted from MODERATOR @ 1:374/14 ---
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From: Christopher Baker
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To: Charles Ring
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Date: 13 Jul 96 14:37:39
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Subj: Re: We'll Miss You
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> I'm gone too, along with my whole net. Seems that MAKENL ran amok
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> at 13/0. I caught it in time to cancel local distribution of
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> nodediff.a94 until next week's correction, and reverted to
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> nodelist.187 here.
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a fix is available. i just received R13NEW.A94 [102K] which is a
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recompile of the Region 13 ONLY. it is available here.
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it can be installed on your system as a private Nodelist [following
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whatever requirements your mailer uses for private Nodelist handling]
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and get you back to full R13 access.
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it cannot be substituted into the full Nodelist without compromising
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the CRC for next week's diff addition so if anyone decides to go that
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route, they should keep a clean copy of the original NODELIST.194 they
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 7 15 Jul 1996
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make first to merge with the diff next week.
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it is also available here in ZIP form as R13NEW.ZIP [66K]. magicname
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is R13FIX.
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all of the RCs should have a copy by now and most of the NCs in R13.
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everyone should update to the current Nodelist especially if they
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have a lot of comms with Zones 2 & 4 which has many updates in 194.
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TTFN.
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Chris
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 8 15 Jul 1996
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LAND OF THE LOST NODES
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Region 13 needs a tweak this week
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Nobody ever said FidoNet or its denizens were perfect. The vagaries
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of software and hardware and peopleware and luck occasionally
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conspire to aggravate us. It's not a conspiracy. [grin]
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Region 13 had a MAKENL meltdown this week and several of their Nets
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now appear missing in NODELIST.194.
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While this condition is being corrected for NODELIST.201, a quick-fix
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has been prepared by RC13 in the form of a Region 13 segment that may
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be compiled into your local Nodelist database as a PRIVATE list.
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R13NEW.A94 is now available from all Zone 1 RCs and is hopefully going
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overseas to our fellow Zones before this appears.
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Look for a copy near you and compile it as a private Nodelist [see
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your own mailer configuration docs if you've never done this] in your
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personal Nodelist database.
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DO NOT edit your NODELIST.194 to replace the R13 section UNLESS you
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keep a clean copy of NODELIST.194 to merge with next week's NODEDIFF.
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A locally edited Nodelist WILL NOT merge once the CRC changes with a
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local edit! Do it as a private list compile to get back access to the
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R13 Nodes.
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You should go ahead and update your Nodelist every week even when
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there are problems. The local problems usually won't outweigh all the
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corrections and additions you will miss in the newest Nodelist. This
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week's Nodelist has major adjustments to Zones 2 and 4 listings.
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 9 15 Jul 1996
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RETRACTIONS
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Christopher Baker
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Rights On!, 1:374/14
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Retraction to FidoNews 0000, Page 0:
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This is where an actual Retraction would appear in the new FidoNews.
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the .RET submission filename may be used by contributors or the
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Editor as conditions warrant.
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This is just for demonstration purposes. Hopefully we don't have
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anything to retract, yet. [grin]
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 10 15 Jul 1996
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ARTICLES
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Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun]
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by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/16
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lisa@psg.com
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Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during May & Jun.
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Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
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diff (backbone.na + backbone.no) 05-May-96 ditto 30-Jun-96 [edited].
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Echo merge
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< RENEGADE_SYSOP Renegade BBS Software Echo
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> RENEGADE Renegade BBS Software Echo
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Added to the backbone
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> AMU_HELP Support for the Automated Maintenance Utility
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> DAPIE Programming - Porting Win32 to OS/2 using DAPIE
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> DRAMA DRAMA TV..PO5, ER, BH90210, MELROSE, SAVANNAH,
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> HTMLEDIT HTML Editing
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> K.L.A.W. Klingon Legion of Assault Warriors (K.L.A.W.)
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> MDNDP_HLP MDNDP Nodediff Processor Support Echo
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> METAWORLDS MetaWorlds - Client/Server Software from Clark
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> MILITIA The State Militias
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> OMNINET OMNINET Technical Development Conference
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> PERL PERL Discussion Echo
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> SINGLE_PARENTING Topics and issues relating to SINGLE PARENTING
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> SLEEP_APNEA Sleep Apnea and Your Life
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> WEB-CONSTRUCT Web Page construction and viewing
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> WILDCAT5 Wildcat5 Support Echo
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> WRESTLE_RPG !!!!! WRESTLING ROLE PLAYING GAME !!!!!
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Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone --------------------------
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< ARCSOFT (low traffic since 3/1/96)
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< CUSS (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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< HOCKEY_CARDS (low traffic since 3/1/96)
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< HYPERWARE (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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< MACOS (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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< MAX_UTIL Maximus 3rd Party Utilities Echo
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< MED_RAYS (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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< MODULA-2 (low traffic since 5/1/96)
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< MODULA-2 (not in EchoList since 3/1/96)
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< RTTY (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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< TABBY (low traffic since 4/1/96)
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o There are 834 echos in backbone.na [30-Jun-95] (up 37)
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o There are 36 echos in backbone.no [30-Jun-95] (down 33)
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o for a total of 870 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (up 4)
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Still Being Discussed
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by Bob Moravsik (2606/583)
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I see some lively discussions going on about ECROC. Some
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"imatures" seem to get there ONLY jollys by childish
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semantic permutations of the acronym. Lets look at an analysis.
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You've all heard about the its my marble game when refering
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to moderators.
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Over and over the tone is one if "its mine mine mine", something
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that reminds me of watching 5 year olds fight over the sand
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in the sand box. Let's interject some reality.
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A conference is not a thing. Its mearly a word use to
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describe the collection of messages with the same "echotag".
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Under current Fidonet policy, an echotag is not a protected
|
||
set of characters. ANYONE may author a message with ANY echotag
|
||
and route it to whoever accepts it. Conference can not
|
||
be "owned". To even allude to it is the mark of an individual
|
||
that has trouble with reality.
|
||
|
||
There are no rules other the Moravsik's
|
||
rule ie "the biggest .bbs wins". Conference moderators exist
|
||
only to serve the posters. If there are any property rights
|
||
the authors of the messages own them. There is no kitchen, no
|
||
living room, no house. If a moderator wants CONTROL...simply
|
||
deliver the messages on his/her dime. Once messages with an
|
||
area tag are routed though "others" each router may decide the
|
||
conditions he/she shall use to modify THEIR areas.bbs.
|
||
|
||
ECROC was a volutary code set up circa 1992 at the same time and
|
||
with the same committee that tweeked policy 4 to policy 4.1c. It
|
||
introduced elections into Fidonet; offered a method to "throw the
|
||
bastards out" and tweeked a few abnomolies in the existing
|
||
policy 4 (ex...IC doesn't have to be a ZC; appeal from a ZC
|
||
decision only goes one way [now it can go up to the IC or to
|
||
the RC's...DUMBBBBB])
|
||
|
||
It gave routers a p4 analog. Many routers found it reasonable.
|
||
Its seems to be a way to "time out" the sandbox mentality. Some
|
||
moderators found it worked OK. It doesn't put a router in the
|
||
position of judging. It just insures certain minimal
|
||
"due process" is present. It stops the Robbins/Winter/Johnstone
|
||
Milner/Degan mentaility of making up rules as you go and enforcing
|
||
them unequally. All it requires is that the moderator produce:
|
||
|
||
1. The text of the rule that was broken.
|
||
2. The message(s) that broke the rules
|
||
3. Two netmail warnings
|
||
4. The text of messages that show that a person has ignored the
|
||
warnings.
|
||
|
||
If those can't be produced...well...we got a sandbox control
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 12 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
freak. The proper response is "Pound salt". The echo splits
|
||
into multiple parts and lives on. The "zec" can attest to that.
|
||
(whatever a "zec" is...its not in my copy of policy 4). And no Mr.
|
||
Degan the word MODERATOR cannot be copyrighted or met the test
|
||
of a trademark. Your claims you have legal protection on the
|
||
AREA:TAG MODERATOR is only in your mind. I offer you a public
|
||
challenge to test this.
|
||
|
||
Hopefully someday, policy 4 will undergo a restatement with a
|
||
policy that balances 5 interests:
|
||
|
||
1. The poster
|
||
2. The moderator
|
||
3. The *C's
|
||
4. Whatever policy calls the *lc, *ec *tc etc.
|
||
5. The routers.
|
||
|
||
No one group should ever be allowed to unilaterally effect links.
|
||
THERE MUST BE "Due process" much like policy 4. Until then,
|
||
ECROC is a pretty reasonable analog. Some moderators may not
|
||
like it...BUT...there are plenty of salt hammers around. OR
|
||
they can distribute messages OWNED by others written with
|
||
any echotag that is not owned, on their dime.
|
||
|
||
MY AREAS.BBS will be changed only when I'm sure the person
|
||
"requesting" the change has demonstrated that the reason
|
||
behind the request was not a product of an infantile temper
|
||
tantrum or a misguided mentality similar to some of the posts
|
||
we see in MODERATOR. Worry more about forstering communications
|
||
rather then getting your jollies by cutting links.
|
||
|
||
These guidelines are similar to the ones published by Bruce
|
||
Bodger for "his" system. Documentation is required from a
|
||
moderator before a few routers will take any action. Looks like
|
||
an ECROC analog has been adopted.
|
||
|
||
Appendix:
|
||
|
||
* ECHOMAIL ROUTING CODE v 1.05.1
|
||
|
||
ECHOMAIL ROUTING CODE v 1.05.1
|
||
|
||
1. Preface: This is a voluntary code which a router of echomail
|
||
may adopt to insure that echomail links, routing and procedures are
|
||
consistent.
|
||
|
||
Conferences are operated and routed for the benefit of the
|
||
participants. They are generally topic oriented and the topic is
|
||
an expansion of the AREA: tag. The routing of echomail is subject
|
||
to policy 4 of Fidonet as if the messages are NETMAIL. The AREA
|
||
tag does not change that.
|
||
|
||
2. Coordination: All coordination of traffic in a NET is under the
|
||
supervision of the NC. To fulfill these responsibilities he may
|
||
delegate all responsibilities except the resolution of disputes to
|
||
any node or group of nodes. They may function as conference
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 13 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
coordinators, echomail coordinators or any title the NC determines
|
||
to assign.
|
||
|
||
3. Routing: Any node may agree with any other node to accept or
|
||
provide netmail messages, which are further identified by AREA
|
||
tags. If a node has more then one address in a routing file
|
||
(generically known as an areas.bbs file) then he is functioning in
|
||
the capacity of a router.
|
||
|
||
4. Links: A router should realize that there can be many links
|
||
which develop in reliance on their voluntary effort. Likewise
|
||
there may be instances where a person requests that you should
|
||
modify your .bbs file to add or remove a link.
|
||
|
||
a. Adding a link: you can either comply with this or refer the
|
||
person to the NC of your net. Generally the criteria for adding
|
||
a link can include: economics, prevention of duplicate loops,
|
||
requests by nodes who are within a toll free call. Adding a link
|
||
is done at you sole discretion.
|
||
|
||
b. Deleting a link: If you are requested to delete a link, you
|
||
should ask that some explanation is given:
|
||
|
||
1. If the person is a conference moderator, look in the latest
|
||
issue of the ELIST available at 1/201. If the person is the
|
||
Elisted moderator (or alternate moderator), request the conference
|
||
rules, any messages that break them and at least proof that two
|
||
netmail warning were given.
|
||
|
||
2. If the person is OTHER then the Elisted Moderator or co-
|
||
moderator, refer them to your NC.
|
||
|
||
Quite often a request to cut a link is done in the heat of a strong
|
||
debate. You as a router serve to "time" the parties out for a
|
||
cooling off period. You are well within your right to refuse to
|
||
cut a link UNLESS the linked node has been excommunicated.
|
||
|
||
Since links are done by two party agreement and since there does
|
||
not exist a ratified echomail policy, this code should serve as a
|
||
balance until there is one.
|
||
|
||
|
||
*ecroc.wp*
|
||
---*---
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
The InfoMail Document Server
|
||
Damian Walker, 2:2502/666
|
||
|
||
This short article has been written to bring to your attention the
|
||
existence of InfoMail, a document server for IBM PC-based Fidonet
|
||
systems. It is principally of use to systems in an environment where
|
||
routed netmail is available.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 14 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
InfoMail allows your system to post brief informational documents upon
|
||
request, via routed or direct netmail. This allows you to create
|
||
bulletins and other documents which people can request economically
|
||
from anywhere in the Fidonet network, provided that they have access
|
||
to routed netmail.
|
||
|
||
The program features an easy-to-use setup and document list editor,
|
||
and a few bells and whistles such as in-message macros, headers,
|
||
footers, a document access counter and a list of documents generated
|
||
automatically when the user requests a document which doesn't exist.
|
||
|
||
You can also arrange for points, or users or sysops of other systems,
|
||
to keep documents updated remotely-- useful in allowing BBS users, and
|
||
other people who cannot run InfoMail on their own systems, to maintain
|
||
bulletins.
|
||
|
||
What use is it? Well, I know of quite a few uses which the program
|
||
has been put to. I use it to promote my system, to promote the echo
|
||
which I moderate, to promote itself, and to provide information about
|
||
local Fidonet.
|
||
|
||
Others have used it to promote their own systems and activities.
|
||
Someone in the UK is setting up an echo rule server using the program,
|
||
while someone in the Netherlands has told me of a plan to offer
|
||
recipies via netmail. And I have recently learned of a tutor who uses
|
||
it for his course, providing information for students studying for a
|
||
vocational qualification. The uses of the program are limited only by
|
||
your imagination.
|
||
|
||
If this article sounds like an advertisement, don't worry. The
|
||
program is available in the public domain. I'm not making any money
|
||
out of it, I just want to share it with you now it's finished, and I
|
||
thought the best way of letting people know about the program is an
|
||
article in FidoNews.
|
||
|
||
It's available via file request from 2:2502/666 (in the UK) and
|
||
2:2487/9521 (in Germany), under the magic name of INFOMAIL; it's about
|
||
55k. I'm not sure where in other zones and regions it might be
|
||
available, so it could pay to look around local systems first.
|
||
|
||
For more information about InfoMail, you can ask the program itself--
|
||
netmail INFOMAIL at 2:2502/666 with the subject INFOMAIL. Make sure
|
||
you put something (anything) in the message body so that the message
|
||
won't be deleted before InfoMail sees it.
|
||
|
||
Thank you for your interest.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 18 Missing Person Search Echo - R18SEARCH
|
||
by Michael Kirst, 1:3633/36
|
||
|
||
This article is intended to inform the reader about what the R18SEARCH
|
||
echo is all about, why it was created, and why other Regions may wish
|
||
to establish a similar echo in their Region. I will also try to cover
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 15 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
what the R18SEARCH echo is NOT. I will cover what it is not first
|
||
since that is the easier of the two.
|
||
|
||
The R18SEARCH echo is NOT a competing echo for the MISSING and/or
|
||
MISSING_CHILD echos! It is also NOT intended to replace either of
|
||
those echos. When it was in it's "formative period", the moderators
|
||
of both of those echos were consulted and informed of the purpose
|
||
behind the R18SEARCH echo.
|
||
|
||
The R18SEARCH echo was created as a means of spreading information
|
||
regarding a messing person search within the Southeastern US so as to
|
||
try to blanket the Region with information vital to helping find the
|
||
missing person(s). The pre-existing MISSING and MISSING_CHILD echos
|
||
are geared for National exposure of missing person information and
|
||
should be so utilized when national coverage is needed/wanted. During
|
||
the early stages of a missing person search, the probability of the
|
||
missing person being outside of the Region are smaller which would
|
||
therefore prompt a more local distribution of the missing person
|
||
information.
|
||
|
||
Prior to the creation of the R18SEARCH echo, there were numerous
|
||
Region 18 echos that could (and were) used to post missing person
|
||
information for a ongoing search. Unfortunately, there are a lot of
|
||
systems in Region18 that do not carry those echos so the information
|
||
may or may not get distributed. What brought this need to a head was
|
||
the very high profile search for Shelby Cox. She was ultimately found
|
||
to have been murdered by her neighbor. Would/Could the R18SEARCH echo
|
||
have saved Shelby's life? We will never know. Sadly that is the case
|
||
with any missing person search. But one thing that is known in ALL
|
||
missing person searches and that is the fact that the more widely the
|
||
information about the missing person can only help their chances of
|
||
being found. The sooner the information is gotten out and the wider
|
||
it is distributed, the better the chances for the quick recovery of
|
||
the missing person. This has been proven time and again.
|
||
|
||
One thing that can go a long way toward enhancing the image of Fidonet
|
||
in the eyes of local communities is for local sysops who carry the
|
||
R18SEARCH echo to work at establishing a working relationship with
|
||
their local law enforcement agencies. The sysop(s) should present
|
||
their BBS and the R18SEARCH echo (and the MISSING and MISSING_CHILD
|
||
echos) as a FREE means for the law enforcement people to get vital
|
||
information distributed about a search in progress. They could either
|
||
become a user of the BBS (with access settings that would prevent
|
||
their account from expiring) or if the BBS were so equipped, by FAXing
|
||
the information to the BBS. I have prepared a "stand-alone" Freelance
|
||
slide show presentation that could be used for this purpose. Please
|
||
contact me via Netmail (1:3633/36) for further information.
|
||
|
||
The R18SEARCH echo is the type of echo that one would prefer to NOT
|
||
have a lot of traffic flowing in since that would mean there are not a
|
||
lot of missing people. But reality sadly proves otherwise. The rules
|
||
of the R18SEARCH echo are posted in the echo on the 15th and 30th of
|
||
each month.
|
||
|
||
I realize that there is no way to compel a sysop to carry any echo
|
||
under the current Fidonet policy. It should be seen that by carrying
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 16 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
the R18SEARCH (and MISSING and MISSING_CHILD) echos could be looked
|
||
upon as helping to make your BBS a more positive "member" of your
|
||
community. After all if your neighbor's child, a close friend, or a
|
||
loved one were to suddenly become missing, wouldn't you want every
|
||
means available to spread the word about the search for that person?
|
||
As I previously stated, posting messages in the R18SEARCH echo may not
|
||
result in that person being found safe and sound in a short period of
|
||
time, but it certainly will not hurt! What is requested is that a
|
||
follow up (or "after action") report/message be posted to notify
|
||
people that the search has been concluded and what the final result of
|
||
the search was.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Old Standards, New Machines
|
||
By Troy H. Cheek, 1:362/708.4
|
||
|
||
The question has arisen as to whether FidoNews NEEDS to be in LZH
|
||
format or if it should go to ZIP format. I can't answer that. But I
|
||
can use it as an excuse to climb on my soapbox. :-)
|
||
|
||
One of the great dividing lines between Fidonet-style networks and,
|
||
say, Internet-style networks is that while the former may have been
|
||
sending messages via the same technical specifications for what seems
|
||
like forever, the latter seems to change almost weekly. Sure, it
|
||
takes advantage of all the latest technology, but what about the
|
||
people left in the dust? What about the people unable (or simply
|
||
unwilling) to spend the time or money necessary to keep up with the
|
||
ever increasing technology?
|
||
|
||
The current FidoNews Article Specifications (ARTSPEC.DOC) tell us not
|
||
to use IBM graphics characters. They tell us that, hard as it might
|
||
be to believe, not everyone in Fidonet is running an IBM compatible.
|
||
By that same token, I'd like to suggest the possibility that not
|
||
everyone in Fidonet is running a computer that could unZIP a file.
|
||
|
||
Of course, just to confuse the issue, I'd like to suggest the
|
||
possibility that any machine that can run a Fido-compatible mailer has
|
||
had some version of ZIP available for it. :-)
|
||
|
||
But whether it's changing FidoNews from LZH to ZIP, or changing
|
||
Fidonet mail deliveries from daily to hourly, or changing Fidonet
|
||
technical standards from the current to something more in line with
|
||
the Internet, we have to think not so much about what we'll be
|
||
gaining, but rather what we'll be losing.
|
||
|
||
Later,
|
||
Troy
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 17 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COLUMNS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
[This is a test repeat of an article I wrote in 1991 when Tom
|
||
Jennings was still the Editor. It was quick to hand for a test
|
||
of the .COL submission type since I haven't received any inquiries
|
||
from would-be FidoNews columnists, yet.]
|
||
|
||
Christopher Baker
|
||
Rights On!, 1:374/14
|
||
|
||
In FidoNews 821, the case for publishing EVERYTHING
|
||
submitted to FidoNews regardless of content or
|
||
applicability was dealt another blow. Publishing
|
||
anything has resulted in a torrent of similar stuff in
|
||
every issue since this article was first written [the day
|
||
after 821 came out].
|
||
|
||
This was not the first non-FidoNet related
|
||
article to be published but it was sufficient to get
|
||
me to the word processor.
|
||
|
||
Though some are offended by religious proselytizing of that
|
||
sort, I found it more pitiful than offensive and certainly
|
||
a waste of space and transport time in FidoNews. It is also
|
||
an invitation to jihad from every other nutbar superstition
|
||
that decides to use FidoNews for GoodNews or BadNews. [sigh]
|
||
|
||
And it's not only religious fundamentalism but the other
|
||
articles on socialism and gender identity and rambling
|
||
trash on the state of the world that bears no resemblance
|
||
to anything of FidoNet or computers in general.
|
||
|
||
Historically, FidoNews has published anything sent to it.
|
||
This happened even when there was no identification on the
|
||
material and when it was out of spec for publication. Is
|
||
this a good idea anymore? I don't think so.
|
||
|
||
It would be reasonable to restrict content in FidoNews to
|
||
things actually related to FidoNet and telecommunications.
|
||
It would be reasonable to permit announcements of non-
|
||
FidoNet related Echo conferences since Echomail is an
|
||
integral part of FidoNet. It would be reasonable to permit
|
||
announcements of software and discussion of same since this
|
||
is a computer-based Network. It would be reasonable to
|
||
permit the inevitable political give and take concomitant
|
||
with Policy debate and complaint. It would be reasonable to
|
||
permit personal response to personal attack [though both
|
||
should be nipped in the bud by the Editor prior to
|
||
publication] so long as it did not become an endless free-
|
||
for-all.
|
||
|
||
Point is: do we want to be reasonable?
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 18 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
I suggest the FidoNews specifications be modified to
|
||
allow material related to FidoNet and to discourage the
|
||
submission of personal problems or pronouncements that have
|
||
nothing whatsoever to do with FidoNet operations or the
|
||
computer world in general.
|
||
|
||
The new [old] Editor has decided to continue the policy of
|
||
publishing anything sent that is within specs [ARTSPEC.DOC]
|
||
and not illegal.
|
||
|
||
While that may be a noble ambition, I don't think that view
|
||
particularly realistic [of course, they laughed at Fulton,
|
||
too.] nor conducive to encouraging reading of the FidoNet
|
||
newsletter.
|
||
|
||
In the current edition [829], the Editor warns of the evils
|
||
of Television and opines that restricting input to FidoNews
|
||
based on actual content will result in 'bland'. On the
|
||
contrary, I think it might result in more readership. A
|
||
socially driven newsletter rather than a topically driven
|
||
newsletter is not the path to follow in this Sysop's opinion.
|
||
|
||
The time is ripe for bringing FidoNews back to FidoNet.
|
||
What better time than the changing of the Editorial guard? I
|
||
suggest we start a Netmail writing campaign to Tom J. at
|
||
1:1/1 [1:125/111] protesting the publishing of 'extraneous'
|
||
and non-FidoNet/computer material. FidoNet and computer ops
|
||
is wide enough a venue for FidoNews. Maybe we can start a
|
||
FIDONEWS Echo for discussing Editorial policy? [grin]
|
||
|
||
Think about it. Thanks.
|
||
|
||
TTFN.
|
||
Chris
|
||
|
||
-30-
|
||
|
||
[Ed. some things never change. of course we still publish
|
||
nearly everything. {grin}]
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 19 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
REVIEWS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
This is a dummy review file to demonstrate the Reviews section. This
|
||
section now appears in ARTSPEC.DOC as any review of product, program,
|
||
or service submitted by FidoNews contributors. Thanks, to Damian
|
||
Walker for the suggestion that led to the creation of this section.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 20 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COORDINATORS CORNER
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
I.M. Missing
|
||
FidoNet IC, 0:0/0
|
||
|
||
This area is for direct comms from Zone or Region Coordinators who
|
||
may wish to post something official where it can be easily found by
|
||
all FidoNews readers.
|
||
|
||
Like the other specialty sections, it will only appear when there is
|
||
something to print. It is unlikely that any one issue of FidoNews
|
||
will contain EVERY available section except in this 'collectors
|
||
edition'.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 194
|
||
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
|
||
ZC/2
|
||
|
||
The table below depicts the growth of the world nodelist as
|
||
seen through the eyes of someone in Zone-2. Delays in pro-
|
||
cessing inbound zone-segments are possible.
|
||
|
||
Administrative entries as well as Pvt, Hold and Down are ommitted.
|
||
Percentages have been rounded.
|
||
|
||
This article is produced by auto cut-and-paste of outputs from
|
||
T-NSTAT by Bo Bendtsen, ROBO 0.37 by Tom Kashuba and GW-BASIC 3.20
|
||
(C) Microsoft 1986 and MS-DOS 6.22 (C) MicroSoft 1994. It will
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automatically be produced on a weekly basis.
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1 | 13670| 13540 -130| 13286 -254| 13177 -109| 13105 -72| 40
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2 | 16523| 16487 -36| 16539 52| 16497 -42| 16551 54| 51
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3 | 1081| 1069 -12| 1066 -3| 1066 0| 1046 -20| 3
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4 | 572| 572 0| 648 76| 648 0| 656 8| 2
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5 | 116| 116 0| 112 -4| 112 0| 112 0| 0
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6 | 1228| 1228 0| 1228 0| 1228 0| 1228 0| 4
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ECHOING
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This is the section for notes from the Stars, Hubs and ECs who move
|
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the Echomail around FidoNet.
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|
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This is just a demonstration for this issue and will only appear if
|
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one of the above submits a file for publishing.
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Ed.
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WE GET EMAIL
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--- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:374/14 ---
|
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By Christopher Baker on Mon Jul 08 18:32:04 1996
|
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|
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From: Christopher Baker
|
||
To: All
|
||
Date: 07 Jul 96 23:10:05
|
||
Subj: EList confirmation received
|
||
|
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FIDONEWS Echo will be EListed in the August 96 list or maybe July 96
|
||
if the Echolist Robot can work it in earlier on the 10th.
|
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|
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Backbone placement of this Echo will follow directly. I've also asked
|
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the Stars if I can place this Echo with them for Zones outside of Zone
|
||
1 while awaiting formal Backboning.
|
||
|
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Those of you with existing Echomail links to this system can simply
|
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Areafix FIDONEWS on with rescan and be up and running. When doing an
|
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Areafix be sure to use Areafix commands. D'Bridge doesn't do
|
||
Areamanager commands.
|
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|
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Those who want to feed from here while waiting for Backbone placement
|
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need only send direct Netmail [don't route passwords!] to me with a
|
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session and an Areafix password. Specify method of archiving while
|
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you're at it. Default archiving here is ZIP format. Most of the others
|
||
are available.
|
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|
||
TTFN.
|
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Chris
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Rights On!- FidoNews HQ & Moderator -Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)
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[Exported from Netmail]
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Date: 11 Jul 96 10:37:09
|
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From: noring@netcom.com on 1:13/10 nisc.ieee.org in Piscataway NJ
|
||
To: christopher baker on 1:374/14 Rights On! in Titusville FL
|
||
Subj: Statement of Protest of ARS Spam attack--Update--a couple
|
||
requests
|
||
____________________________________________________________________
|
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|
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
|
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|
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Hello,
|
||
|
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Again, I'd like to thank you for your signature to the Statement of
|
||
Protest regarding the vertical spam attack on the newsgroup
|
||
alt.religion.scientology.
|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 23 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
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By your signature you have made a strong statement condemning the
|
||
action as well as putting pressure on the organization probably
|
||
responsible for the attack: the Church of Scientology. Your
|
||
signature helped to bring closer attention to the problem, which is
|
||
one of the main goals anyway of the SoP (it would be naive to expect
|
||
that the SoP alone would actually stop the spam).
|
||
|
||
And just so you know, I've gathered about 850 signatures, which is
|
||
actually quite good considering that 1) the attempts to cancel the
|
||
spam are succeeding very well, 2) net.focus on this problem is
|
||
receding into the background, and 3) the spam attack occured on a
|
||
special interest newsgroup that only a small fraction of Usenetters
|
||
read. However, at those sites which don't honor cancels, and which
|
||
the spam has reached, a.r.s. has been rendered unusable, a small
|
||
victory for the spammer. Fortunately, most sites do honor cancels,
|
||
and the anti-spam campaign has succeeded much better than I ever
|
||
thought it would.
|
||
|
||
I really would like to gather the magic 1000 signatures, so I just
|
||
extended the deadline for signatures to July 18. But that's it, no
|
||
matter how many more I receive.
|
||
|
||
Request #1:
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
I strongly urge you to help me by proactively pointing out to your net
|
||
friends what's happening. To help you do this, I just reposted to
|
||
various newsgroups, including a.r.s. and comp.org.eff.talk, among
|
||
others, my final solicitation for signatures. That post refers to the
|
||
original document I posted outlining the problem, which can be
|
||
downloaded via anonymous ftp from
|
||
ftp.netcom.com/pub/no/noring/crisis.txt
|
||
|
||
And if you decide to publicly post a support of the SoP, urging others
|
||
to get off their duff and sign it, I would greatly appreciate that a
|
||
lot. If I get 20 of you posting "yeah, I agree with Jon, sign the SoP
|
||
NOW!", I believe we'll get scores of people to lift their fingers and
|
||
send the e-mail signature to:
|
||
petition-1@netcom.com (that's petition-"one", NOT petition-"ell".)
|
||
|
||
Request #2:
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
I still have to go through the third-party verification process.
|
||
Because I won't publicly post the signatures, including yours (which
|
||
would be an adequate verification if I could), I have to get a third
|
||
and neutral party to do this for me. This third party will have to
|
||
select a random sample of e-mail signature addresses (say 20-50 or
|
||
something like that) and then send e-mail to this smaller list, asking
|
||
them if they signed the SoP. I strongly urge you, if you happen to
|
||
receive one of these verifications, to cooperate with their request.
|
||
They'll probably ask no more than sending e-mail back to them with a
|
||
simple "yeah, I signed the SoP" message, or something similar.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Anyway, thanks again for your signature. It shows you care about the
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 24 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
integrity of Usenet and its use as an effective vehicle of Freedom of
|
||
Speech. And please, please, if you haven't yet, put a link on your
|
||
Web page to Ron Newman's site which details the almost 1.5 year
|
||
assault on Usenet by the Church of Scientology. When I update my
|
||
company's Web pages, I'll add Ron's Web page in a very prominent
|
||
place. The URL is:
|
||
|
||
http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/home.html
|
||
|
||
Have a great day!
|
||
|
||
Jon Noring
|
||
|
||
--
|
||
OmniMedia Electronic Books|URL: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia
|
||
9671 S. 1600 West St. |Anonymous FTP:
|
||
South Jordan, UT 84095|ftp.awa.com /pub/softlock/pc/products/OmniMedia
|
||
801-253-4037 | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com
|
||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 25 15 Jul 1996
|
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|
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|
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=================================================================
|
||
PROOFREADERS REPORT
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
Error in FidoNews 0000
|
||
|
||
Dr. Phibes
|
||
Mookies' Revenge, 3:600/203
|
||
|
||
On Page 3 of 0000 the word misspelled is misspelled as mispelled.
|
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|
||
Bye now!
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|
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 26 15 Jul 1996
|
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|
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|
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NET HUMOR
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
Q: How many FidoNet Coordinators does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
|
||
|
||
A: None. FidoNet Coordinators like to keep you in the dark.
|
||
|
||
[this new section has a file extension of .JOK for those who wish to
|
||
submit entries for publishing.] Ed.
|
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FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 27 15 Jul 1996
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|
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COMIX IN ASCII
|
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|
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|
||
|
||
From: Stephen Clark Powell @ 1:374/777
|
||
|
||
Here, have an official FidoNet T-shirt.
|
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|
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............. _______/\ /\______
|
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........... / \ \________________/ / \
|
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......... / \ __________________ / \
|
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......../ \
|
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....../ \
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.......\ /\ I'm a FidoNut /\ /
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.........\ / | And I'm okay | \ /
|
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...........\/ | I flame all night | \/
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..................| And I freq all day |
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..................| _ |
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..................| / \ |
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..................| /|oo \ |
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|
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Okay, you can't really wear it, but it's a nifty attaboy that I
|
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captured a few years ago. <g>
|
||
|
||
-30-
|
||
|
||
[This new section has a file extension of .CMX. ALL comix MUST be in
|
||
PURE ASCII and the 70 character limit is a MUST! These can be static
|
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creations like this one or comic strip type. Use your imagination!]
|
||
Ed.
|
||
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|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 28 15 Jul 1996
|
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|
||
=================================================================
|
||
ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
by Nigel Allen (1:250/438) ndallen@io.org
|
||
Consultants and Consulting Organizations Directory
|
||
|
||
If you run a consulting business in the United States or
|
||
Canada, you may want to get it listed free of charge in the
|
||
Consultants and Consulting Organizations Directory.
|
||
|
||
To request a questionnaire for the directory, just write
|
||
to the following address:
|
||
|
||
Consultants and Consulting Organizations Directory
|
||
Editorial Code and Data, Inc.
|
||
645 Griswold Street, Suite 3480
|
||
Detroit, Michigan 48226-4015
|
||
U.S.A.
|
||
telephone (313) 961-2926
|
||
fax (313) 961-5919
|
||
|
||
Unfortunately, this only applies to consultants in the United States
|
||
and Canada. The directory does not list consultants in other
|
||
countries.
|
||
|
||
See also my Web page, http://www.io.org/~ndallen/
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
by Nigel Allen (1:250/438) ndallen@io.org
|
||
Free Listings in the Encyclopedia of Associations
|
||
|
||
People who start new new non-profit associations (including
|
||
othernets, lobbying groups and associations having nothing to do
|
||
with BBSes) should get their group listed, free of charge, in
|
||
the Encyclopedia of Associations, so that prospective members,
|
||
journalists and researchers can get in touch with them.
|
||
|
||
Groups based in the U.S. should write to the following address
|
||
and ask to be listed:
|
||
Editor
|
||
Encyclopedia of Associations
|
||
Gale Research Inc.
|
||
835 Penobscot Building
|
||
Detroit, MI 48226-4094
|
||
Telephone (313) 961-2242
|
||
Fax (313) 961-6815
|
||
|
||
Groups based outside the United States should instead get listed
|
||
in International Organizations, a directory published by the same
|
||
company. Its address is:
|
||
Editor
|
||
International Organizations
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 29 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
Gale Research Inc.
|
||
835 Penobscot Building
|
||
Detroit, MI 48226-4094
|
||
U.S.A.
|
||
Telephone +1 313 961-2242
|
||
Fax +1 313 961-6815
|
||
|
||
As well, groups based outside the United States may also want to
|
||
get listed in single-country association directories published
|
||
in their own country, such as the Directory of Associations in
|
||
Canada. Any librarian should be able to tell you how to get in
|
||
touch with your country's national association directory, if
|
||
one exists.
|
||
|
||
Most large libraries have a copy of the Encyclopedia of
|
||
Associations in hard copy or CD-ROM, but it is probably too
|
||
expensive for someone to buy for home use.
|
||
|
||
See also my Web page, http://www.io.org/~ndallen/
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 30 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
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|
||
FOR SALE
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
Need a puppy?
|
||
|
||
I. M. Overloaded
|
||
Pet Heaven, 5:200/12
|
||
|
||
I have lots of African wild dogs for sale if you want something that
|
||
can really chew the bejazus outta your couch or your leg!
|
||
|
||
Send Netmail with hundreds of dollars [U.S.] to the address above and
|
||
your pooch will be shipped as soon as I can get him into a box.
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 31 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
WANTED
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||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
Testing the Want ads section
|
||
|
||
Holy Mackeral
|
||
Somewhere outhere
|
||
|
||
testing testing. i want a testing.
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||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 32 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
QUESTION OF THE WEEK
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
It's way past time to give FidoNet's Nodelist an overhaul as far as
|
||
it is organized. Zone 2 needs to split out Europe and the former
|
||
Soviet blocs. Zone 7 has been waiting all these years. The Regions
|
||
could also use some tune ups to distribute the coordination load more
|
||
evenly. Maybe even some renumbering?
|
||
|
||
So the Question of the Week is: Why not? When?
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 33 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
NOTICES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Calendar of Events
|
||
|
||
|
||
16 Jul 1996
|
||
Gion Matsuri, in Japan.
|
||
|
||
20 Jul 1996
|
||
Independence Day, Columbia, South America.
|
||
|
||
26 Jul 1996
|
||
FidoNews Editor turns 47.
|
||
|
||
28 Sep 1996
|
||
Confucius' Birthday.
|
||
|
||
5 Nov 1996
|
||
Election day, U.S.A.
|
||
|
||
19 Dec 1996
|
||
Gallileo takes close-ups of Europa to resolution
|
||
of 20 meters at the equator.
|
||
|
||
6 Dec 1997
|
||
Gallileo takes close-ups of Europa to resolution
|
||
of 11 meters at the north pole.
|
||
|
||
If you have something which you would like to see on this
|
||
Calendar, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
Date: 12 Jul 96 23:25:26
|
||
From: Mike Bilow on 1:323/107 N1BEE BBS in Cranston RI
|
||
To: Christopher Baker on 1:374/14 Rights On! in Titusville FL
|
||
Subj: ISDN in MD, VA, PA, DC or NJ...Help needed. (fwd)
|
||
_____________________________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
You may want to extract or summarize this for Fidonews.
|
||
|
||
-- Mike
|
||
|
||
|
||
* Forwarded (from: Netmail) by Mike Bilow using BilowMail0.2.
|
||
* Original dated: Jul 12 '96, 22:14
|
||
|
||
From: James Love <love@tap.org>
|
||
To: Multiple recipients of list <isdn@essential.org>
|
||
|
||
We are looking for individuals, organizations or firms that are
|
||
located in or do business in the following states, to join in motions
|
||
to intervene in ongoing Bell Atlantic ISDN cases. The states are:
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 34 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
Maryland
|
||
Virginia
|
||
Pennsylvania
|
||
District of Columbia
|
||
New Jersey
|
||
|
||
We have to file something in New Jersey and Pennsylvania pretty quick.
|
||
A selection of our past filings in these state ISDN proceedings are
|
||
at:
|
||
|
||
http://www.essential.org/cpt/isdn/isdn.html, or
|
||
the Bell Atlantic Action page,
|
||
http://www.essential.org/cpt/isdn/bellnews.html
|
||
|
||
Todd Paglia from our office is going to write the pleading. He can
|
||
be contacted at 202-387-8030 or tpaglia@tap.org
|
||
|
||
BACKGROUND
|
||
|
||
Last fall Bell Altantic (BA) filed terrible tariffs in each of its
|
||
states. These were about $30 per month plus 1 to 2 cents per minute
|
||
for usage, which was the killer. After much criticism, BA has re-filed
|
||
tariffs which are lower, but still way too high. In the new filings,
|
||
you can buy 140 hours of one ISDN B channel (70 hours if you bond 2
|
||
together into a single 128 Kpbs line) for $60 per month. This is
|
||
about .7 cents per minute per channel, and you pay for a block, even
|
||
if you don't use it. (the actual rates are on the CPT ISDN page).
|
||
|
||
ISDN doesn't cost the Telco much more than an analog phone,
|
||
according to several studies. Some telephone companies have
|
||
voluntarily filed much lower tariffs for ISDN, such as $17.90 per
|
||
month, flat rate, in Arkansas, or $29.50 flat rate in parts of
|
||
California. Ameritech filed flat rate tariffs of $28 to $35 in Ohio,
|
||
Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin.
|
||
|
||
In states were the tariffs have been contested, good things have
|
||
happened. $27 flat rate in Tennessee, where a Commissioner was an
|
||
ISDN user. In New Mexico, US West wanted $184 for its flat rate, but
|
||
the Commission set the rate at $40. In Texas, the Commission just set
|
||
a flat rate of $41 for GTE. In Delaware, a Bell Atlantic state, the
|
||
Commission set a rate of $28.02 ($24.52 excluding the $3.50 interstate
|
||
SLC charge). In Washington DC, there is a proposal before the
|
||
Commission for a $32 flat rate. Studies of usage costs have ranged
|
||
from 10 cents per hour to 5 cent per day.
|
||
|
||
In Delaware and Washington DC, Bell Atlantic has threatened to
|
||
withdraw the service if the Commissions insists on the lower rates.
|
||
But the new telecom act requires them to provide such services, the
|
||
Commissions have the legal power to make it happen, and Bell Altantic
|
||
wants to buy NYNEX, and shouldn't be causing so much grief.
|
||
|
||
If we intervene, with local residents or organizations or firms,
|
||
it sends a signal to the Commission that the issue is important (how
|
||
to price the new digital services), and that people want to get the
|
||
service at reasonable rates.
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 35 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
If you can help, send a note to Todd, at tpaglia@tap.org, or call
|
||
him at 202/387-8030.
|
||
|
||
jamie
|
||
|
||
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
||
James Love / love@tap.org / P.O. Box 19367, Washington, DC 20036
|
||
Voice: 202/387-8030; Fax 202/234-5176
|
||
Center for Study of Responsive Law
|
||
Consumer Project on Technology; http://www.essential.org/cpt
|
||
Taxpayer Assets Project; http://www.tap.org
|
||
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
||
|
||
N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 n1bee-bbs.bilow.uu.ids.net(1:323/107.107)
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
Christopher Baker
|
||
Rights On!, 1:374/14
|
||
GK Pace
|
||
PaceSoft Utilities, 1:374/26
|
||
|
||
PUBLIC_KEYS and PKEY_DROP Echos on Zone 1 Backbone
|
||
|
||
The PUBLIC_KEYS Echo and PKEY_DROP Echo are available on the
|
||
Zone 1 Backbone.
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||
|
||
The purpose of the Echos is to provide a place to post and
|
||
find public-keys for data privacy within FidoNet and
|
||
elsewhere and to discuss electronic signatures and data and
|
||
software encryption and the various schemes thereof.
|
||
|
||
[The rules below are a composite of the rules from each
|
||
Echo. See PUBKEYS.RUL and PKDROP.RUL in the current ELRUL
|
||
file for complete Guidelines for each Echo.]
|
||
|
||
These are technical Echos with very few rules. Those very few
|
||
rules are:
|
||
|
||
1. Stay on-topic. Topics of keys and privacy are welcome.
|
||
Others are not.
|
||
2. No politics [except as it relates to privacy issues] and
|
||
no religion.
|
||
3. No personal attacks, slurs or innuendo. Stick to issues
|
||
not personalities.
|
||
4. No Private flagged messages in Echomail! PGP traffic
|
||
using public-keys is permitted for the exercise so long
|
||
as it is on-topic and anyone can read it.
|
||
5. This Echo may be traveling around the world so try to be
|
||
concise. Avoid excessive quoting for one-liner responses.
|
||
6. Be aware that Echomail is NOT secure. Don't take anything
|
||
at face value.
|
||
7. The posts in this Echo are the sole responsiblity of the
|
||
poster. If you need verification, use Netmail.
|
||
8. The Moderators will deal with off-topic traffic. Don't
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 36 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
respond for them. Links to this Echo will only be
|
||
curtailed when absolutely necessary so please don't make
|
||
it necessary. [grin]
|
||
|
||
The Moderators are Christopher Baker [KeyID: 2048/D881B549]
|
||
and GK Pace [KeyID: 2048/B604EBE9] at 1:374/14 and 1:374/26,
|
||
respectively.
|
||
|
||
It is recommended that public-keys be made available via
|
||
Netmail or by file-request with the magic filename: PGPKEY
|
||
and that the public-key provided for that request by given
|
||
a distinctive filename using part or all of each provider's
|
||
name and address. For example, on my system, a file-request
|
||
of PGPKEY will give BAK37414.ASC to the requesting system.
|
||
This will avoid duplicate overwriting and make it easier to
|
||
track the keys. Using a standard magic filename will make it
|
||
easier to find keys on different systems.
|
||
|
||
These Echos are on the Zone 1 Backbone. The PKEY_DROP Echo
|
||
is for placing public-keys in circulation in a central area
|
||
available to all. This Echo has been EListed since ELIST211.
|
||
Please feel free to announce and distribute this Echo to all
|
||
interested participants in your area.
|
||
|
||
Make standard requests to your normal Backbone source for
|
||
these Echos and find out what we're doing. Join us in
|
||
discovering new possibilities.
|
||
|
||
"Pretty Good Privacy" MSDOS executables and source files for
|
||
porting to other platforms are available as PGP and PGPSRC
|
||
from this system and many others. Both archives were
|
||
hatched into the SDS in the SOFTDIST area and should be
|
||
available at an SDS site near you. PGP source and executables from
|
||
here are RESTRICTED to Zone 1 Nodes only! Folks outside Zone 1 can
|
||
find versions on the Internet and local BBSes.
|
||
|
||
Thanks.
|
||
|
||
TTFN.
|
||
Christopher Baker & GK Pace
|
||
Moderators
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 37 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
|
||
Version: 2.6.2
|
||
Comment: Clear-signing is electronic digital authenticity!
|
||
|
||
mQCNAzHghmAAAAEEALj2F2iMEbBF7wd6t3uwkXAs6ntCoCtso8FqOPxzWXbySdk0
|
||
Wdw4Dg9MxOhG1ZgKNq5Nx3T9ytxGKEMHcZKMjarGknGU5bZfJIqM5Gt9vBodts4V
|
||
CooaLWhv9dDLAlDyo9IQp1LaWKYLCEf0hSGcxcirnCTrZWwxgDqu5gtFbxEBAAUR
|
||
tCRGaWRvTmV3cyBFZGl0b3IgPDE6MS8yM0BmaWRvbmV0Lm9yZz6JARUDBRAx4IgB
|
||
00Ov+diBtUkBAQNFB/4qEuT0fkNtRXJvOjTDHkwLcfSLnGgKD7YhOzGsmVQ34zDY
|
||
uCiR5sqGttnC5kVaiig3qHr5rmoK5Cm7W1JUrCDyI/tZYYOwfEw0EuznD9MjGdyw
|
||
x5UzE5sSaAw17Z51aKZKhbP7b7hrWvwfV4Y4U/x/nucZ5gDGTgVHWiaSucH0Zn7T
|
||
33aVnyskSQ17Jtx7IAiVRjzZcqq1mkcWeddIw7G/rrcgEzco2mz2sGs2+iayRzX2
|
||
3oNLYFzEbYhhE9PNcM/1cl5GLNYDBnM98RwybhraVxmGiLZLkxiITezGcf1Uzwqj
|
||
vyPB+pPI7vx+Qlcx2LRpDMMmrpXFYLg3l+aJ5cThtChDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBCYWtl
|
||
ciA8Y2Jha2VyODRAZGlnaXRhbC5uZXQ+
|
||
=7TFs
|
||
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 38 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
FIDONEWS INFORMATION
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
|
||
|
||
Editor: Christopher Baker
|
||
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
||
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar,
|
||
Tom Jennings, Sylvia Maxwell,
|
||
Donald Tees
|
||
|
||
"FidoNews Editor"
|
||
FidoNet 1:1/23
|
||
BBS 1-407-383-1372, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)
|
||
|
||
more addresses:
|
||
Christopher Baker -- 1:374/14, cbaker84@digital.net
|
||
cbak.rights@opus.global.org
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address)
|
||
FidoNews Editor
|
||
P.O. Box 5921
|
||
Titusville, FL 32783-5921
|
||
U.S.A.
|
||
|
||
|
||
voice: 1-407-264-2994 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
|
||
[1800-0100 UTC/GMT]
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
|
||
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
|
||
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
|
||
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
|
||
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
|
||
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
|
||
FidoNews.
|
||
|
||
Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
|
||
Copyright 1996 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication
|
||
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
|
||
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
|
||
the editor.
|
||
|
||
OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
|
||
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
|
||
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
|
||
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
|
||
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
|
||
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
|
||
back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSDnn.LZH] for a
|
||
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
|
||
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
|
||
FIDONEWS 13-29 Page 39 15 Jul 1996
|
||
|
||
|
||
current year [6], i.e., FNWSMAY6.ZIP for all the Issues from May 96.
|
||
|
||
INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
|
||
|
||
http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
|
||
ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
|
||
|
||
Anyone interested in getting a copy of the INTERNET GATEWAY FAQ may
|
||
file-request GISFAQ.ZIP from 1:133/411.0, or send an internet message
|
||
to fidofaq@gisatl.fidonet.org. No message or text or subject is
|
||
necessary. The address is a keyword that will trigger the automated
|
||
response. People wishing to send inquiries directly to David Deitch
|
||
should now mail to fidonet@gisatl.fidonet.org rather than the
|
||
previously listed address.
|
||
|
||
SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
|
||
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
|
||
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
|
||
from 1:1/23 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators also have
|
||
copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.
|
||
|
||
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
||
trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
"Disagreement is actually necessary,
|
||
or we'd all have to get in fights
|
||
or something to amuse ourselves
|
||
and create the requisite chaos."
|
||
-Tom Jennings
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
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|
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