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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.45 (06-Nov-1995)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| _ | +1-519-570-4176 |
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| | | \ \\ | Editors: |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Sylvia 1:221/194 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Sylvia max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Response to Mr Fredrik Bennisons............................ 2
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 3
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Editorial
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I listen to a lot of the sysop echos, even post in a few of
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them. It strikes me, lately, that the fights have become almost
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ceremonial in nature. As if the participants know there has to
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be a better way, but have not quite figured out how yet.
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It strikes me that relationships should have a reset button. A
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big red one that we could press every once in a while, and start
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over. Without the harsh words. Without dredging up old history
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from a previous, and younger life.
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I read the wizard of Oz recently. Maybe declaring a new
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variable actually does create it. Like magic.
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Here is my favourite all time poem by Max. She called it
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Quickie Code:
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push
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push
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push
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POP
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P.S. Please forgive such an unbalanced editorial.
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Articles
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Response to Mr Fredrik Bennisons
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article in FNews 12/43 (23-Oct-1995)
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From: Robert Hoerner (2:2476/7)
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Hello Fredrik,
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this is a nice chat, isn't it :)
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Ok, let's remember: in an article some weeks ago you wrote that
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NC_ELECT, a so called policy addentum set in force by Z2C this
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year, could be a good example of how to implement some democracy
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in FidoNet.
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I answered that this NC_ELECT has not been set in force following
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the rules in P4, section 8, and therefore, from my point of view,
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it is nothing but a paper, at least it is no "democratic policy".
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You answered:
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"I'd like to point out that P4 section 8 describes how a new
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version of FidoNet policy is ratified. NC_ELECT however is no
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new FidoNet Policy proposal, it is simply a Zone policy document
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as mentioned in section 1 of FidoNet Policy4."
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This leads me to one little question: if policy 4, section 8, is
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NOT to be used when implementing a new (here of course: a new local)
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FidoNet Policy Document, which guideline has to be used instead?
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And another question arises from policy 4, section 2.2:
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"You must indicate that you have read, and agree to abide by, this
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document and all the current policies of FidoNet."
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"All the current policies"? Which policies could be meant?
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You continue:
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"FidoNet Policy 4 does in no way describe how these local policy
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documents are ratified, the only restriction is that they must
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have the approval of the IC if they contradict FidoNet Policy 4."
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So in your opinion everybody could present his ideas to the IC,
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asking him to "appove" it to be a new zone policy? And this is, in
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your eyes, only necessary if those ideas "contradict" P4?
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Come on, and you are talking about democracy? Democracy, Fredrik,
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FidoNews 12-45 Page: 3 06 Nov 1995
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means (at least in my tired eyes it does mean) open discussion,
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secret voting and publishing of the results.
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Where has been the discussion? What could be changed?
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Secret voting? Who voted, and who made those people eligible to
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vote? Publishing of the results?
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You wrote:
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"NC_ELECT _was_ democratically approved, a vote was held among
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all Region Coordinators in Zone 2 and a majority voted to accept
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the document."
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I friendly invite you to prove it:
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When exactly has the voting been held?
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Who exactly participated in this voting?
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What exactly has been the result?
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And, last but in no way least:
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Based on which written rule (you may call it a "policy") has the
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voting been held? (this means: who has been eligible to vote,
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where has this been published, where and when has the election
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period and the name of the returning officer been published and
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who decided about all these rules based on wich rules?)
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I'd like to hear from you again,
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my best wishes
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Robert (2:2476/8)
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Fidonews Information
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FidoNews 12-45 Page: 4 06 Nov 1995
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Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell
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Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar
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FidoNews 12-45 Page: 5 06 Nov 1995
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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
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' ' disgreement is actually necessary,
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or we'd all have to get in fights
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or semethin to amuse ourselves,,
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and create the requisite chaos."
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-Tom Jennings
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