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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.49 (05-Dec-1994)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| _ | +1-519-570-4176 |
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| / \ | |
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| /|oo \ | Small animal psychology and |
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| (_| /_) | Spiritual guidance Department: |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Editor: |
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| |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | Tim |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| MORE addresses: |
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| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| David Deitch -- 1:133/411.411, deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org |
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| submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 2
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Discriminatory Discrimination............................... 2
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RAMMING ECHOS............................................... 4
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Swamp Swine Magazine,....................................... 5
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SYNDICATE-NET............................................... 7
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How can the ZC ignore this?................................. 9
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Fidonews for the Blind...................................... 18
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In Consideration of Others.................................. 18
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A chat with our resigning FidoNet Z6C, Mr. Honlin Lue....... 19
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 21
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 2 05 Dec 1994
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Editorial
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Having just driven 600 hundred kilometers home from a job in
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the north, this will be a quick editorial. We are rapidly
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approaching the deadline.
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BTW, how does one know that one is really "up north" when in
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Canada? Well, you hit the scan button on the radio, and it just
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circles the dial for an hour of driving. Then the radio
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suddenly blares into existance at about 3000 decibels, just
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about scaring you off the road. Passing a sign that says "New
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semi's from builder -- $19,900" also clues you in that you are
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not in the city anymore.
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A note to the various sides of the articles for the blind
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issue. If someone can write up some guidelines, we will insert
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them into ARTSPEC.DOC. That document is about due for revision
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anyway. I have to caution, however, that only about two out of
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every five articles pay any attention to the specification.
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About the only current requirement is do not use beyond
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column 72, and an asterisk in column one is the title line.
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Today, four articles used asterisks in column one for bullets,
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and three had to be rejustified. While I have some sympathy for
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the issue, there is a limit to how much work one can do.
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Articles
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Discriminatory Discrimination
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by Steve White
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It has been suggested in a previous article of the Snooze that the
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format and basic construction of the Snooze is discriminatory against
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sight-impaired persons. While I can sympathize with the situation as
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presented, and must admit I had never considered it before, a second
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article in the same vein has raised a more disturbing specter than the
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subject of the articles themselves.
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Quite plainly, it would seem accusations of discrimination are being
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leveled against the publishers of the Snooze because someone did not
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get his or her way. While the argument presented in reference to
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taking out unnecessary characters, etc., was sound in and of itself,
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the second article on the same subject carried a tone of nothing less
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than common "strong-arm" intent in bullying someone into a course of
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action favorable to the author.
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I would like to remind that author that while I'm sure there are
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problems for the sight impaired which we can find accomodation for,
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the sight-normal readership of the Snooze might be quite happy with the
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current format, thank you.
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Discrimination is the act of making a clear distinction or acting on
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the basis of prejudice. A discriminatory act against a handicapped
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person would be along the lines of erecting a building on top of a
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 3 05 Dec 1994
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foundation with 50 steps leading to the access points and not
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providing a means for wheelchair access. In other words, the "locking
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out" of the individual discriminated against from activities and places
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normally afforded other individuals.
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No one has "locked out" or published an issue of the Snooze in such a
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way as to exclude the sight impaired. It may not be as convenient as
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a sight-impaired person might like, but it's obviously legible even to
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a reading device. The Snooze is not discriminatory. All are welcome
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to participate.
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Where the author of the article thought it was "callousness" on the
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part of the editor in stating the editor's feelings on the situation
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instead of implementing the author's suggested changes, even though
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it might take several months, I would submit no changes are needed.
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Perhaps the author should look at the text of his own articles for a
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lesson in tactics. It was mentioned that a "large group of members
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of this network" were discomfited without mentioning an actual figure.
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It was also mentioned that a new version of the Snooze without the
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current formating should become the Snooze itself. Also mentioned
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was "my attempt at education."
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While I must thank the author for raising my consciousness with regard
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to the problems with ASCII characters and screen readers, I must
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also say I'm disappointed with the tone and seeming intent of the
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second article. Whether the author was trying to invoke feelings in
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sight-normal persons similar to his own, I can't be sure of as I'm not
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that author, but I can say with a resonable degree of certainty that I
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would feel discriminated against if such sweeping changes were
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undertaken in the format of the Snooze based on the fancies of a
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minority. Yes, majorities can be discriminated against by minorities,
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no matter the reason for the distinction.
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Should we require all art galleries to carry two of each painting, one
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for sighted persons and one with special textures for the sighting
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impaired? The idea is ludicrous, yes, and an example of the extreme
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being suggested by the author with regard to changes in the format of
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the Snooze.
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In summation, it would be nice if everyone could have their way in this
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world, and everything was perfect. It would be grand if every store
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carried the exact color and size to suit everyone. Just as there is
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diversity in things bought and sold, though, there is diversity in
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those who purchase, use, consume, and read those products. Nothing can
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please everyone. I'm not going to suggest the author start his or her
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own Fido newspaper as I feel this one is just fine for anyone's purpose
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and it wouldn't be practical. What I would suggest is the author try
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and compromise, if possible, or come up with a workable solution
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acceptable to all, rather than a few, in solving his or her problems.
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After all, wasn't the original article merely a complaint of
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inconvenience? We all deal with inconvenience in one form or another
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in our daily lives, some more than others. When the inconvenience
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becomes the impossible, then I would agree something should be done
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immediately. Where the inconvenience is simply an annoyance, then
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 4 05 Dec 1994
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maybe the matter is just that, an annoyance, and shouldn't become
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such an issue that baseless accusations are hurled without forethought
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of the total picture or the certain knowledge of the motives of those
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we don't agree with.
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Force meets resistance. Threats beget threats. Sometimes you don't
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succeed, no matter how hard you try. Calm and rational usually
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prevails. Change takes place best one step at a time.
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Hate mail and blatant flames should be directed to:
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Steve White
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1:3626/2
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RAMMING ECHOS
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Original Area: Warnings
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Original From: Bill Dirks (1:250/603)
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Original To : All (1:250/603)
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This is to inform and warn everyone who reads, handles,
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receives, routes, etc. echomail within Fidonet and any other net
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using FTN type mailers. I will TRY to keep this short.
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Recently, a moderator of a Fidonet echo, in an effort to
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get readers of echos similar to his, to only use his echo and
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not the others, has enlisted the aid of a few people who using a
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program called "Bogus" have flooded these other echos with virus
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source code (actual) and some extreme adult material in an
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effort to get nodes to cut those echos. Unfortunately, It has to
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a large degree worked.
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Without getting into the technical details, those wanting
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to disrupt or flood an echo with nonsense can do so with the
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program Bogus. The problem is with this program, these misfits
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can "forge" mail to look legit to the "unsecure" system they
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send it to. Who are the unsecure systems??
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Any system that isn't operating with a session password
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and/or packet passwords regarding echomail feeds, IN PARTICULAR
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HUBS, are being hit. But here lies the problem. Unless all hubs
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trace their calls to everyone calling them, this can and will
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continue. The reason for this is the current ZC and ZEC for
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Fidonet.
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Yes, the ZC & ZEC are aware of the problem. They have even
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been told who the "actual" responsible systems are for feeding
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in this garbage. They have done nothing to date. The folks over
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at PC tried to but received so much grief, they had to back off.
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Be aware that the affected echo moderators have tried to cut
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feeds, etc. to stop this. Those cut continue to win on appeal to
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the ZC & ZEC because without a wiretap in place before targeted,
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 5 05 Dec 1994
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this will continue to happen. Yes, it's that bad to provide
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proof except.........
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One of the main cretins let his pride get the best of him.
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With his permission, an underground publication
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published/acknowledged what he did. However..... even with this
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presented to both the ZC & ZEC, they are not doing anything.
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OVERALL, my warning is this. Do not accept echomail from
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systems without a session password in place. Next, notify the
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Fidonet Hierarchy that you are not happy with them doing
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anything to combat the problem.
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This is a very complex issue that's hard to explain
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briefly. I probably created more questions than what I answered
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to those aware of the problem. If you want to discuss this in
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general terms without names and systems involved, I'll happily
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answer any and all questions. Those wanting more specifics need
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to address it to net mail.
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While as yet unconfirmed, they have done this to at least
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one echo in another network. It's 50%+ credible right now as the
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program being used to disrupt current activities will work on
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other networks also.
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Anyway, if you have the time, write the ZC or ZEC and ask
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why they haven't done anything to cutoff those nodes creating
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the garbage in the Dirty_Dozen, Virus, and Virus_Info echos so
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far even after they've been provided from numerous sources, who
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the offenders are? You might be surprised by their response if
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you get one, even if at the RC/REC level.
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Bill Dirks
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P.S. In the FWIW category, I'm personally pursuing this matter
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along other channels to fix it.
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Swamp Swine Magazine,
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Laiphrog Tanker Division,
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Shuckmagosh, Ohio
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Dear Reverend Visage,
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Bad craziness abounds. I am saddened to report that this
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week's winner of an all expenses paid vacation in the "Betty
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Ford Clinic For the Thinking Impaired" is none other than
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Bob Satti (cue the plague of amoeba,his intellectual peers.)
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Bob "Bob" Satti, demonstrated that basic literacy and
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comprehension skills are not requisites for Fidogods when he
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misread the appeal documents and ruled in support of our
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narcoleptic RC, Rick "IS the Big Red Button The One You
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Press to Transmit?" Johnston. Unfortunately, Bob "Bob" Satti
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 6 05 Dec 1994
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(cue the plague of Speak 'N Spell Modules) only managed to
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grunt a few short sentences in elucidating his contused
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reasoning, but it was apparent that both the facts of the
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case and basic logic were deemed irrelevant.
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Someone with a higher tolerance for slow-moving,
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non-sentient creatures ought to prod Bob and ask him just
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what in Gawd's creation (with appropriate co-author credits
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to Steve Winter) he found in the original policy complaint
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that was either accurate or provided cause for banishment
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from Fidonet. In any event, The Lukester's appeal will find
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it's way into the lap of George Peace. (cue Banquo's ghost
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in the form of Bob MacKay.)
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To recap for our regular reader, a failed NC candidate named
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Matthew Stein decided that he ought to file a policy
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complaint against one of his detractors during the campaign.
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The object of Stein's misaffections, Luke Kolin, had already
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incurred the wrath of the RC, Rick "Weekend At Bernies"
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Johnston by suggesting that Rick ought to pay at least lip
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service to running a functional mailer. The policy
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adjudication by the NC250 politely suggested that Stein was
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being an annoying git, but Stein rushed off an appeal to
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Johnston where he knew that concepts like truth, justice and
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reality were lost in the black hole of the RC's sedimentary
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mind. Without much surprise, Johnston ruled in Stein's
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favour whereupon the matter was turfed upstairs to the feet
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of the Fidogod, Bob "Bob" Satti.
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It is obvious now, that the usage of multisyllabic words and
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sentences longer than four words confused Satti, who issued
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the literary equivalent of a few grunts in support of the
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RC's demented logic. A nice warm hand job for Bob, I say,
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and may the farce be with him and may his days in office be
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numbered in low digits.
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I was moved by the last Snooz wherein a concerned soul
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expressed outrage that this esteemed organ contained words
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which may not be suitable for viewing by children. Just as a
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kind of baseline reality test, does anyone happen to know
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whose children would read this thing, or is he making an
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incredibly subtle point of about the arrested emotional
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maturity of Fidonet sysops in general? We should be told.
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Why is it, Visage, that there always seems to be someone
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whose eyebrows don't meet on their forehead only by dint of
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electrolysis, who emerges from the woodwork to whine about
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content? As a good and decent gesture, I would think that
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the sniveling soul should contribute at least six wholesome
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articles to the snooze. Y'know, heartwarming stuff about
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family picnics in front of the computer where Billy Jim Bob,
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the web-footed offspring, says "Gosh" and "Swell" at regular
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intervals.
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Mr. " B 4 I 4 Q R U 18 Q T Pi?" Tharin's concerns were
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expressed again in the latest snooz. He feels that ascii art
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 7 05 Dec 1994
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in the Snooz is prejudicial to his rights as a sighted
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impaired person who must hear each character through a voice
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synth. I couldn't agree more with his sentiments and I would
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hope that television programmers wake up to this same
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insensitivity and drop the video feed from their broadcasts.
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Gawd knows, we would not want any aspect of our lives to
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rise above the lowest common denominator. Far be if for me
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to suggest something sensible, but perhaps he could have
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saved the birdshot expended from both barrels by enquiring
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if there wasn't some kind soul who would volunteer to
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produce and make file requestable, a voice synth friendly
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version of the Snooz. I would empower Ms. Labamba for this
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task but unfortunately, she has an over-hormonal response to
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the voice synth's pronunciation of : "Zoo Kee Knee." (Just
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as a form of community service, if Mr. Tharin embarks on
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this task, perhaps he could also find someone willing to
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reduce the snooz to "See Dick. See Jane" vocabulary so that
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it can be comprehended by the less gifted Fidogods.)
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I must go Visage, the Snooz dominatrix, Ms. Emelia, has your
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latest petty cash vouchers in one hand, and Newt Gingrich's
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ethics in the other. She looks dangerous and her unsettled
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state really has nothing at all to do with the fact that I
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shipped over a smallish flock of Emus to her house for
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safekeeping. As a good and decent gesture, I suggest that
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she be sent to the West Coast as Bob's Phonetics teacher.
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Regards,
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Doc Logger,
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Giant Clam Rancher,
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Yap Island, Micronesia
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SYNDICATE-NET
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by Al Miller 1:261/1136
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/\
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\
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\ YNDICATE-NET - (C) copyright 1994 -- Todd Alan Rourke
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\/ Invitation for new members.
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Syndicate Network was formed on October 20, 1991 when a group of
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friends got together and decided to make a friendly, intellectually
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stimulating network. Since then the network has expanded and we
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currently have nodes all over North America.
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The main reason people join networks is to obtain access to the
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information contained in the ECHOs of the network. Syndicate Network
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has it's share of intellectually stimulating ECHOs. A list of the
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available ECHOs and their descriptions follows:
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Administrative Echoes
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 8 05 Dec 1994
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* SYN_SYSOP - Sysop only ECHO
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SYN_HUB - HUB only ECHO
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* SYN_GLOBAL - Main chat area
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SYN_MODERATOR - Private MODERATOR echo.
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SYN_OFFICE - Public network policy discussion area for users.
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SYN_TESTXXX - Testing area for new nodes (specific to each net).
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SYN_REGXXX - Regional forum (specific to each region).
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Public Discussion Echoes
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SYN-AMIGA - Amiga Users Forum
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SYN-ATHEISM - Atheist discussion group.
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SYN-BBS - BBS/SysOp support area.
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SYN-C&PASCAL - C & Pascal programmers discussion.
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SYN-CONSERV - Conservative political think-tank.
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SYN-DOS - DOS-Based computing area.
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SYN-RHETORIC - Conservatives & Liberals 'duke it out!'
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SYN-EMA - Cinema and movie reviews/production.
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SYN-ENVIRON - Environmental issues forum.
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SYN-FAITH - Religious discussion group.
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SYN-JIHAD - Atheism and Religion go to 'holy war!'
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SYN-LIBERAL - Liberal political think-tank.
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SYN-MAILER - Frontend mailer support forum.
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SYN-MUSIC - Musical discussion and reviews.
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SYN-OS2 - OS/2 users forum.
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SYN-QDECK - QuarterDeck utility discussion.
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SYN-SOUND - Sound cards, etc
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SYN-TELECOM - Basics of telecommunications.
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SYN-WINDOWS - Windows support area.
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SYN-WRITERS - Writers forum for reviews/critique.
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SYN-XBASE - XBASE programming discussion.
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W-WOMEN - Women's issues, women only.
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W-TEENS - Teen's issues, teens only.
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W-RECOVERY - Addiction recovery, 12 steps.
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W-PRICE - For sale/trade.
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W-DEEP - Deep thoughts and nonsense.
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W-HEALTH - Health and fitness.
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W-SPEAK - Other languages (French, Spanish, etc).
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W-FOOD - Food, dining and cooking.
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File Echoes
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* SYN_ADMIN - Nodelists, policy updates, etc.
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SYN_ERGY - Politically related files.
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SYN_THESIS - Religiously related files.
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*= required to carry for net membership
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So if you are interested in joining an intellectually stimulating
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network then Syndicate network is the place for you. For more
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information about Syndicate network you should contact:
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ZEC: Todd Rourke, FidoNet 1:323/110
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ZC: Al Miller, FidoNet 1:261/1136
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 9 05 Dec 1994
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Both of these systems will have the latest policy documentation and ECHO
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lists available for file request under the magic name SYN-NET.
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How can the ZC ignore this?
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Mr. Bob Satti,
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ZC
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I am submitting this response to Rick Johnston's appeal
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decision as an amicus curiae since I have direct knowledge
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of the circumstances which generated the policy complaint,
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was involved in several mediation attempts, and have an
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interest as a sysop peasant concerning the misapplication of
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Policy Complaints to achieve social objectives.
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||
|
||
Rick Johnston's decision should be overturned for the
|
||
following reasons:
|
||
|
||
1) That the complaint arises out of the attempts by Matthew
|
||
Stein to use policy to foster his socially maladroit notions
|
||
of the purpose of Fidonet.
|
||
|
||
2) That the complaint, having already been the subject of
|
||
Mr. Kolin's removal from the net, is a form of
|
||
double-jeopardy.
|
||
|
||
3) That Mr. Stein participated in numerous mediation
|
||
meetings, agreed to settlements, and then reneged on each
|
||
agreement in his singular pursuit of Mr. Kolin's node
|
||
number.
|
||
|
||
4) That Johnston's findings of fact cannot be adduced from
|
||
the evidence, and particularly since the provenance of the
|
||
"evidence" was supplied by Mr. Stein.
|
||
|
||
5) That Johnston did not provide a copy of the requested
|
||
grounds for the appeal to Mr. Kolin prior to rendering a
|
||
decision.
|
||
|
||
6) That there was no demonstrable harm done to either Mr.
|
||
Stein or Fidonet in general by the alleged activities of Mr.
|
||
Kolin.
|
||
|
||
Point 1:
|
||
|
||
I was involved in a lengthy meeting with Luke Kolin, Rick
|
||
Johnston & Matthew Stein where the various complaints raised
|
||
by Mr. Stein were discussed. Mr. Kolin had been summarily
|
||
removed from both the democratically elected NC250 position
|
||
and from the nodelist by Rick Johnston; without benefit of
|
||
notice or an opportunity to provide a defense. The meeting
|
||
had been arranged to attempt to convince Mr. Johnston that
|
||
more than lip service to the concept of natural justice was
|
||
required from someone who professed to have the skills to be
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 10 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
RC. During the meeting, it was clear that Mr. Stein's
|
||
political ambitions (he was standing as a candidate for
|
||
NC250) coloured his judgment with respect to Mr. Kolin.
|
||
|
||
At the end of the meeting, all parties had agreed to certain
|
||
conditions, one of which was the re-admittance of Mr. Kolin
|
||
in the nodelist. Mr. Johnston also agreed to the terms of
|
||
the agreement.
|
||
|
||
The following day, Mr. Stein, who was acting as co-NC at the
|
||
time, refused to honour the terms of the agreement, citing a
|
||
change of heart.
|
||
|
||
When Mr. Stein subsequently lost the election, he then filed
|
||
the policy complaint which is the basis for this appeal.
|
||
|
||
Another mediation meeting was arranged wherein Mr. Stein's
|
||
only contribution was a repetition of "I want Luke's
|
||
Nodenumber." It was clear that Mr. Stein's dislike of Mr.
|
||
Kolin precluded him from resolving what was obviously
|
||
something other than a technical problem.
|
||
|
||
Point 2: The issues in the policy complaint had already
|
||
resulted in Mr. Kolin's removal from the nodelist for a
|
||
period that lasted seven weeks. When the original complaint
|
||
was made, Mr. Johnston simply excised Mr. Kolin's nodenumber
|
||
from the nodediff submission without giving Mr. Kolin an
|
||
opportunity to provide a defense.
|
||
|
||
It would be ludicrous to allow Matthew Stein to revisit the
|
||
*same* issues and obtain an additional punitive action
|
||
against Mr. Kolin. It should be noted that there have been
|
||
no new complaints since the first series filed by Mr.
|
||
Stein. In fact, Mr. Kolin has served Net250 as the NEC since
|
||
his re-admittance to the net.
|
||
|
||
If sysops are to be permitted to file complaints, attain
|
||
judgments, and then file the same complaint over again which
|
||
results in yet another judgment then Fidonet will have
|
||
become a truly insane world.
|
||
|
||
Point 3:
|
||
|
||
Policy requires that an attempt be made at mediation. Mr.
|
||
Kolin had been the democratically elected NC of Net250. Mr.
|
||
Stein was a failed candidate for the NC position. Mr.
|
||
Kolin's response to the issues was to provide service to the
|
||
net by becoming NEC. Mr. Stein's response was to create a
|
||
"new net" called IT-NET and to actively solicit net250
|
||
sysops to leave net250 to become part of this new net. When
|
||
Mr. Stein did not convince a significant number of sysops to
|
||
join, Stein filed his policy complaint.
|
||
|
||
Mr. Johnston has a demonstrable conflict of interest with
|
||
respect to adjudicating this complaint. Mr. Stein had
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 11 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
provided Mr. Johnston with a USENET feed at no cost to Mr.
|
||
Johnston. The current NC of net250 refuses to provide the
|
||
same service to Mr. Johnston.
|
||
|
||
It has been apparent that both Mr. Johnston's and Mr.
|
||
Stein's motivations in this matter have had very little to
|
||
do with a technical breach of policy, but rather installing
|
||
or removing favourable people to admin positions in net250.
|
||
|
||
Point 4:
|
||
|
||
Mr. Johnston's findings of fact are stretching the envelope
|
||
in terms of what any fair minded individual would call
|
||
"evidence". Mr. Johnston, in his appeal decision makes the
|
||
following statement:
|
||
|
||
" Additionally, anyone familiar with the workings of
|
||
the nodelist processing/generating program MakeNL will know
|
||
that MakeNL will only submit a nodelist segment when changes
|
||
have been made to the control and/or input files."
|
||
|
||
This would almost makes sense were it not written by someone
|
||
who has consistently fouled up the nodediff submissions,
|
||
been incapable of distributing the regional nodediff or
|
||
Fidonews. Mr. Johnston's technical abilities in this regard
|
||
are so abysmal that the nodediffs are distributed in Region
|
||
12 through the REC chain, and Fidonews is distributed on an
|
||
ad hoc basis by interested parties. Clearly, Mr. Johnston
|
||
cannot, with a straight face, count himself among those
|
||
"familiar with the workings of the nodelist
|
||
processing/generating program."
|
||
|
||
Mr. Johnston claims that he received a bogus nodediff
|
||
submission from a node flying a "250/0" address. Mr.
|
||
Johnston has been either unable or unwilling to actually
|
||
produce the alleged bogus nodediff submission. Mr. Johnston
|
||
acknowledges that he used neither session passwords nor
|
||
changed the net250 nodediff file name despite being asked to
|
||
do so.
|
||
|
||
Mr. Johnston's appeal then goes on to make reference to a
|
||
series of log files. In one case, the log files are provided
|
||
by Mr. Johnston himself. (It is fascinating that Mr.
|
||
Johnston is able to produce *these* log files, yet has been
|
||
unable to provide log files when he has made the erroneous
|
||
assertion that he did not receive nodediff submissions from
|
||
other nets.) Mr. Johnston also refers to another set of log
|
||
files and he identifies them as having been provided, *not*
|
||
by Mr. Kolin, but by Mr. Stein. No one in their right mind
|
||
would accept this form of third hand evidence.
|
||
|
||
It is the height of irony when Mr. Johnston goes on to
|
||
assert that he has discovered evidence that the log files
|
||
had been "doctored" but then leapt to the insupportable
|
||
conclusion that these files which passed through the hands
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 12 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
of Mr. Stein were "doctored" by Mr. Kolin. If they were
|
||
doctored at all (which I will dispute in the next paragraph)
|
||
one would have to have a peculiar blindness to the rules of
|
||
evidence and logic to accept that they were doctored by
|
||
Kolin.
|
||
|
||
Mr. Johnston is close to correct in saying "Given that one
|
||
of the three files submitted by Mr. Kolin has been blatantly
|
||
tampered with, I feel that it is reasonable to conclude that
|
||
none of the three files can be taken at face value, and so
|
||
should be discarded." More accurately, he should have
|
||
characterized the three files as having been submitted by
|
||
Mr. Stein who alleged that they were from Mr. Kolin, but
|
||
quibbling aside; Mr. Johnston finds that the files have no
|
||
merit. Fair enough... but for Mr. Johnston to then follow
|
||
with an assertion that the case has been proved against Mr.
|
||
Kolin defies his own logic. In Mr. Stein's complaint, he
|
||
makes much of various system clock timing discrepancies
|
||
between Mr. Kolin and Mr. Johnston's system. Mr. Stein's
|
||
scientific (cough) method was to call both systems at least
|
||
a month after the alleged nodediff submission. By Mr.
|
||
Johnston's own account (attending one of his lame
|
||
explanations for why he'd screwed up the nodediff submission
|
||
yet again) her asserted that his system had crashed which
|
||
surely must have attended a reboot at least once. The
|
||
argument raised by Stein of a system timing variance is
|
||
nonsensical and would barely have any credence had his tests
|
||
been conducted on the day of the alleged nodediff
|
||
submission. Mr. Johnston relies upon a perceived timing
|
||
difference of less than two minutes to assert that the files
|
||
were doctored. (Just as a humorous exercise, it'd be a safe
|
||
bet that the same test applied to 75% of the files on Mr.
|
||
Johnston's system would probably generate the horrific
|
||
result that most of his files were "doctored" in similar
|
||
fashion.)
|
||
|
||
Point 5:
|
||
|
||
Mr. Stein's appeal request was a two sentence message
|
||
stating that he would like to appeal the NC's decision.
|
||
Surely the person whose appeal is being heard at the RC's
|
||
level is entitled to know the grounds for the appeal request
|
||
before being required to respond. Mr. Johnston's Kafkaesque
|
||
insistence that Mr. Kolin provide a response to an appeal,
|
||
before being given the reasons for the appeal is a travesty
|
||
of natural justice. Mr. Kolin, quite correctly, asked for
|
||
the grounds for the appeal and was refused by Mr. Johnston.
|
||
|
||
Point 6:
|
||
|
||
Where's the beef? By the admission of all parties, there was
|
||
no harm done to either Mr. Stein or to Fidonet. Mr. Stein
|
||
would have been blissfully unaware that *anything* had
|
||
happened had he not been fed with material by Mr. Johnston.
|
||
The bogus nodediff was not processed by Mr. Johnston's
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 13 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
system so it did not propagate any errors or changes into
|
||
the nodelist. Mr. Stein's claim to be affected by the bogus
|
||
nodediff submission is absurd.
|
||
|
||
Conclusion:
|
||
|
||
Please uphold the original policy complaint decision
|
||
rendered by James Korolas, NC250, and remind Mssrs Stein and
|
||
Johnston that policy wasn't invented so that childish jihads
|
||
could be conducted against those they happen to dislike.
|
||
|
||
Stein Vs. Kolin
|
||
Decision posted by James Korolas, NC250
|
||
|
||
In adjudicating a Policy Complaint filed by one sysop
|
||
against another, the first determination must be an analysis
|
||
of whether the act of filing such a complaint represents
|
||
prima facie evidence of "being too easily annoyed" on the
|
||
part of the complainant.
|
||
|
||
The purpose of the policy complaint mechanism is to address
|
||
legitimate instances where actions of a sysop detrimentally
|
||
effect the operations of Fidonet. It was not meant to
|
||
provide the means for litigious sysops to ask for
|
||
punishments to be meted out for trivial reasons. In that
|
||
respect, any policy complaint must be judged as a
|
||
double-edged sword. If the issues raised are determined to
|
||
be motivated for less sanguine reasons than any possible
|
||
effect of the action being complained against, then there is
|
||
a case to be made that the problem lies with the
|
||
complainant.
|
||
|
||
In this instance Matthew Stein has raised one issue in
|
||
particular, and several other issues for which he omitted
|
||
any supporting documentation. In the latter category, the
|
||
allegations of theft leveled against Luke Kolin seem
|
||
particularly dangerous should there be no support for this
|
||
assertion and may be a matter more appropriately litigated
|
||
in a formal court action.
|
||
|
||
The issue raised by Matthew Stein is the assertion that Luke
|
||
Kolin submitted a nodediff segment to the RC when he was not
|
||
authorized to do so. No evidence was supplied which
|
||
indicated that there was any injury to either Matthew Stein
|
||
nor to Fidonet in general. No direct evidence is supplied
|
||
that Luke did, in fact, submit the nodediff segment. The
|
||
supplied material relies on inferential assumptions about
|
||
the "possibility" of the act, but does not prove the act.
|
||
|
||
No comment was offered as to why the RC would have viewed
|
||
the security of the nodediff segment submission to be of
|
||
such low importance as to have caused him (the RC) to avoid
|
||
implementing elementary security precautions.
|
||
Parenthetically, it is unusual and entirely inappropriate
|
||
that the current RC has been issuing sub judice opinions on
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 14 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
this matter in advance of this complaint being appealed. If
|
||
it is the RC's intention to breach the agreements which he
|
||
was involved in negotiating, then at a minimum he should
|
||
have joined himself to this action and removed himself as
|
||
the appellant adjudicator.
|
||
|
||
Absent from Matthew Stein's policy complaint was the fact
|
||
that the issues raised had already been the subject of
|
||
negotiated agreements, several of which had involved Mr.
|
||
Stein in the first instance. It is readily apparent that Mr.
|
||
Stein, having agreed to a negotiated settlement in his
|
||
capacity as Co-NC of the net, is now asking to revisit the
|
||
issue in his capacity as a nodelisted sysop. Mr. Stein's
|
||
persistence in this matter provides a clue as to his
|
||
capacity to remain "too easily annoyed."
|
||
|
||
Had there been any direct evidence that Mr. Kolin submitted
|
||
the nodediff segment, I would have apportioned
|
||
responsibility equally to the cavilier security controls of
|
||
the RC and to Mr. Kolin. Further, I would have found the
|
||
matter required a remedy in terms of nodediff security, but
|
||
no banishment from the nodelist for Mr. Kolin.
|
||
|
||
As to Mr. Stein having launched the complaint, I find his
|
||
actions to be perilously close to being "too easily annoyed"
|
||
but not quite extreme enough to require any sanctions. There
|
||
is no doubt that Mr. Stein's disenchantment with Mr. Kolin
|
||
is manifest, but the purpose of Fidonet policy complaints is
|
||
not to adjudicate social interactions.
|
||
|
||
Complaint dismissed.
|
||
|
||
Wed 26 Oct 94 23:16 Rcvd: Fri 28 Oct 13:38
|
||
By: Rick Johnston, Net 229 Echo Coordinator (HST *
|
||
Original to: Luke Kolin (1:250/714)
|
||
|
||
RE:
|
||
The Appeal submitted by Matthew Stein, with respect
|
||
to the ruling issued by James Korolas (N250C) in the matter
|
||
of the Policy Complaint filed by Matthew Stein against Luke
|
||
Kolin
|
||
|
||
Basis of the Complaint:
|
||
|
||
In Mr. Stein's complaint, his major point is that
|
||
Mr. Kolin has proven himself a "menace" to FidoNet by his
|
||
actions in submitting a nodelist segment for Net 250 while
|
||
he was not in the office of Net Coordinator.
|
||
|
||
Mr. Stein has mentioned other incidents as well,
|
||
however they do not pertain to the matter at hand.
|
||
|
||
Supporting Documentation to the Complaint:
|
||
|
||
Mr. Stein has included samples from the log files of
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 15 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
both Mr. Kolin, and of the RC to whom the nodelist segment
|
||
was delivered. The nodelist segments from the Regional
|
||
Coordinator clearly show Mr. Kolin's system in a connection,
|
||
presenting the 1:250/0 address as an AKA, and delivering a
|
||
file named the same as the Net 250 nodelist segment at the
|
||
time.
|
||
|
||
An examination of Mr. Kolin's logs for the same time
|
||
period do not show this connection, nor any actions that
|
||
would cause the nodelist segment to be generated or
|
||
delivered. However, further examination of the logs
|
||
supplied by Mr. Kolin to Mr. Stein, who was the nodelisted
|
||
Coordinator of Net 250 at the time, show an inconsistency in
|
||
that one of the logs has record of activities taking place
|
||
after the date and time stamp on the file itself. Based on
|
||
this, it seems obvious to me that this log file has been
|
||
edited. Given that one of the three files submitted by Mr.
|
||
Kolin has been blatantly tampered with, I feel that it is
|
||
reasonable to conclude that none of the three files can be
|
||
taken at face value, and so should be discarded.
|
||
|
||
Additionally, anyone familiar with the workings of
|
||
the nodelist processing/generating program MakeNL will know
|
||
that MakeNL will only submit a nodelist segment when changes
|
||
have been made to the control and/or input files. Thus I
|
||
will grant the possibility that this may have been an
|
||
automatic event that Mr. Kolin accidentally left in his
|
||
system batch files. However, given that a nodelist segment
|
||
was submitted, this shows that Mr. Kolin willfully edited
|
||
the control and/or input files he had on hand for the Net
|
||
250 nodelist segment and caused a submission to be created.
|
||
|
||
In his ruling, Mr. Korolas stated that he would
|
||
equally blame the RC for failing to establish a session
|
||
password. However, at the time Mr. Korolas was "Co-Acting
|
||
NC" of Net 250, using a nodelist address of 1:250/1.
|
||
Included in his duties was the maintenance of the nodelist
|
||
segment for the net. Although there wasn't a session
|
||
password in place for Mr. Korolas at the time, this would
|
||
not have prevented Mr. Kolin from submitting his segment as
|
||
the addresses used are not the same and the password would
|
||
not have prevented Mr. Kolin from connecting and delivering
|
||
his segment.
|
||
|
||
Documentation for the Defence of Mr. Kolin:
|
||
|
||
Upon receipt of Mr. Stein's request for an appeal in
|
||
this Complaint, I immediately forwarded a netmail message to
|
||
Mr. Korolas, with copies to both Mr. Stein and Mr. Kolin,
|
||
requesting all information that he had received from the two
|
||
parties to this Complaint. This message was sent to him on
|
||
September 30th and his reply, dated for October 2nd, stated
|
||
that he would not forward this information until he had
|
||
received Mr. Stein's grounds for appeal.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 16 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
To quote briefly from FidoNet Policy:
|
||
|
||
- - - - begin quote - - - -
|
||
9.5 Appeal Process
|
||
|
||
A decision made by a coordinator may be appealed to the next
|
||
level. Appeals must be made within two weeks of the decision
|
||
which is being appealed. All appeals must follow the chain
|
||
of command; if levels are skipped the appeal will be
|
||
dismissed out of hand.
|
||
|
||
An appeal will not result in a full investigation, but will
|
||
be based upon the documentation supplied by the parties at
|
||
the lower level. For example, an appeal of a Network
|
||
Coordinator's decision will be decided by the Regional
|
||
Coordinator based upon information provided by the
|
||
coordinator and the sysop involved; the Regional Coordinator
|
||
is not expected to make an independent attempt to gather
|
||
information.
|
||
|
||
- - - - end quote - - - -
|
||
|
||
Under Policy, Mr. Korolas is required to forward any
|
||
information he had pertaining to the Complaint in question.
|
||
On October 10th, I spoke to Mr. Kolin in a telephone call
|
||
and advised him that Mr. Korolas had still not supplied the
|
||
requested information, despite an additional reminder (also
|
||
CC'd to Mr. Kolin and Mr. Stein) sent to him on October 3rd.
|
||
At that time, I requested that Mr. Kolin forward a copy of
|
||
what he had submitted to Mr. Korolas in his defence to be
|
||
forwarded to me before the following weekend (October 15th)
|
||
so that I might proceed with a ruling. I finally received a
|
||
message from Mr. Kolin on the Sunday evening, which
|
||
perported to be a copy of what had been submitted to Mr.
|
||
Korolas. Although this may not be pertinent to the
|
||
complaint process, it is my opinion that this "statement"
|
||
was created by Mr. Kolin expressly for my benefit and that
|
||
the real reason that Mr. Korolas did not forward the
|
||
requested information was because he did not have anything
|
||
to forward. This is partly based on Mr. Korolas's continued
|
||
refusal to cooperate with my request despite the requirement
|
||
in Policy that he do so, and partly on a statement made by
|
||
Mr. Kolin in the 'copy' he forwarded to me, namely "However,
|
||
I have not been provided with this information, and
|
||
therefore have been unable to prepare a suitable defense.",
|
||
given that both Mr. Korolas and Mr. Kolin repeatedly
|
||
demanded to know Mr. Stein's 'grounds for appeal' prior to
|
||
providing any information on Mr. Kolin's defence.
|
||
|
||
In response to some of the points in Mr. Kolin's
|
||
statement:
|
||
|
||
1) He has pointed out that he was re-admitted to Fido,
|
||
despite theknowledge of the incident of myself, as RC, Mr.
|
||
Stein, as nodelisted NC, and Mr. Korolas, nodelisted Co-NC.
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 17 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
At the time, it was pointed out that proper proceedure had
|
||
not been followed in Mr. Kolin's removal from the nodelist,
|
||
in that he was denied a chance to appeal his
|
||
excommunication. His return to the nodelist was to correct
|
||
for that unjust denial of appeal opportunity, and the matter
|
||
of the nodelist submission was not considered "closed" by
|
||
that action.
|
||
|
||
2) He suggests that he cannot be 'punished' for actions
|
||
committed while he was not a member of FidoNet. In that, he
|
||
may be correct. However, he was not removed from the
|
||
nodelist until after the discovery of his false nodelist
|
||
submission. Although he did not forward his log files to
|
||
Mr. Stein until after his removal, he was still a FidoNet
|
||
member at the time of the offence, and so is responsible for
|
||
his actions.
|
||
|
||
In conclusion, based on the technical evidence
|
||
supplied, it is clear that Mr. Kolin did submit a nodelist
|
||
segment for Net 250 while not in the office of Net
|
||
Coordinator, presumably with malicious intent. As such, I
|
||
hereby reverse the ruling issued by Mr. Korolas, and rule in
|
||
the favour of Mr. Stein.
|
||
|
||
For his actions in attempting to disrupt the workings of
|
||
the Net, Mr. Luke Kolin is hereby excommunicated from
|
||
FidoNet for a period of not less that one year. If at some
|
||
point in the future Mr. Kolin should re-apply for FidoNet
|
||
membership, it will be at the descretion of the Net
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Coordinator for his geographic area who will consult with,
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and obtain the agreement of, the Regional Coordinator prior
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to issuing him a node number. In addition, Mr. Kolin is not
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to be granted any position of authority or responsibility
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within FidoNet including, but not limited to, *C, *EC or
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Hub.
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This excommunication will become effective within
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two weeks of the date of this ruling, provided there is no
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appeal filed on this ruling, or after all avenues of appeal
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have been exhausted.
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Rick Johnston
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Region 12 Coordinator
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Dated: October 26, 1994
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 18 05 Dec 1994
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Fidonews for the Blind
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Rude? Not yet.
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===============
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In Fidonews 1147, Jesse Tharin of 1:300/7, is complaining about the
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way Fidonews is formatted. I must be one of those six people in the
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whole world that actually prints Fidonews (omigosh) on a dot matrix
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printer. I prefer it this way, it's been this way forever, I am not
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alone. I also made a few calls and have determined that there are a
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LOT more than just six people printing out this issue right now.
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Sometimes there are as many as twenty or thirty readers printing out
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the Fidonews during any given week. So with that, let me get to the
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point.
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If Jesse wants an issue for the blind, I mean that is how he ends his
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article, then I would like to invite him to create and distribute a
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Fidonews issue specifically for the blind. I'm sure that since this
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would be such a heart warming endeavor, the editors would have no
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problem in allowing him to do this. If he really cares about this
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issue, he'll quit bitching and do something about it.
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I say leave the boilerplate, leave the ASCII art, and under no
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circumstances should the Doggie be removed.
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BTW, where can I get a copy of BOGUS?
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Dash Riprock - Net 231 Amateur Gynocologist - 1:231/30
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In Consideration of Others
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Article Title : In Consideration of Others
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Article Date : November 29, 1994
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Submitted By : Robert Byrd @ 1:221/950.0
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Hello Snooze Editors!
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Fine weather to you and yours. Things are just dandy up Listowel way
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with only the occasional tractor trailer sliding into the side of the
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building due to icy road conditions.
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I noted with interest the situation brought to light by Jesse Tharin a
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few issues back; that of the ungainly screen formatting of the Snooze.
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I think that Mr Tharin raises a good point. For people who rely upon a
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text reader, the Snooze is no doubt an exercise in exasperation. The
|
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ASCII art and copious use of periods in the Table of Contents, the
|
||
hyphens in the Masthead and between articles only make for a situation
|
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that must be almost unbearable for those people.
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As a person who has _never_ printed an issue of the Snooze on a printer,
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I personally find the the page formatting to be a blemish on the screen.
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Of course, I am also the kind of person who would not start a new
|
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article only eight lines from the bottom of the printed page.
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FidoNews 11-49 Page: 19 05 Dec 1994
|
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While I can appreciate that the Editor-beings are also Worker-beings in
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their real lives, I was somewhat put off be the seemingly cavalier
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attitude displayed by them in the Editorial of issue no. 47.
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I think it is time that the Snooze moved forward in its life. Admit that
|
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almost _no_ one ever prints the Snooze and implement a consistent method
|
||
of formatting for screen reading.
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As a sidebar, I myself do not see ascii art as being Haiku : "the
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Japanese verse form consisting of three lines of five, seven, and five
|
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syllables respectively" (from the Gage Canadian Dictionary). While I
|
||
admit to laughing long and loud at some of the various artwork I have
|
||
come across in FidoNet, I would not consider it to be Haiku. And... I
|
||
don't think the Snooze would suffer from the lack of it.
|
||
|
||
Thank you for your time and pet the cats for me.
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Respectfully,
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Robert Byrd
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A chat with our resigning FidoNet Z6C, Mr. Honlin Lue
|
||
forwarded via: 6:700/703
|
||
available for FREQ: z6c_chat.zip
|
||
|
||
S: SysOp
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H: Honlin
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||
|
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S: Honlin, thanks for coming to chat with us. It is our
|
||
great pleasure to meet you here. :-)
|
||
Umm... may we know why you want to resign from the post
|
||
of Z6C...? Too much sacrifice..? If you were given a
|
||
chance again, would you still take it up...?
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||
|
||
H: It won't take you too much time to be the Z6C. So, no
|
||
sacrifice at all. 4 years ago, the Asian Regions,
|
||
Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and the newly established
|
||
Japan, still belonged to Zone 3. They were in fact mature
|
||
enough to become an independent zone. However, as the
|
||
fee for inter-countries IDD call in Asian Regions was the
|
||
most expensive compared with those in Europe, USA and
|
||
Australia, the condition for developing such a kind of
|
||
IDD based BBS Network was still the poorest here.
|
||
|
||
Nevertheless, we do have our unique cultural background which
|
||
is totally different from those in USA and Europe,
|
||
although we speak English also. To let our friends in
|
||
USA and Europe understand the "face" issue (which is very
|
||
important amongst Chinese or people affected by the
|
||
Han-culture), feudal, elitist and non-democratic
|
||
thinking deeply implanted in Asians...... It cannot be
|
||
explained in a few words.
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 20 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
|
||
Factors such as cultural, racial, geographical, lingual
|
||
and living habit...etc, together with our status as a
|
||
developing economy, were assuring us that we had the
|
||
condition to become an independent zone. In view of
|
||
this, I consulted the 4 RCs in the Asian Regions and got
|
||
the approval of Bill Bolton and Matt Wheal in Zone 3.
|
||
At last we had our independent Zone 6.
|
||
|
||
The reasons for establishing Zone 6: the environmental
|
||
factors were telling us that we should be independent,
|
||
and we wished we could help develop Fidonet in Asian
|
||
Regions with the establishment of Zone 6. There was
|
||
nothing to do with whether I wanted to be the ZC or not.
|
||
Therefore, if you ask me whether I want Zone 6 to be
|
||
independent if another chance is given, I still think so.
|
||
However, whether I will take up the post of Z6C, as this
|
||
was not the issue I concerned at that moment, I cannot
|
||
answer this even now.
|
||
|
||
Why resign? It has been 4 years since Zone 6 becomes
|
||
independent with my effort. Its rate of development is
|
||
the highest amongst other zones in the world. I have been
|
||
the ZC for 4 years already. I believe that a position
|
||
should not be held by a person for too long. As the ZC,
|
||
my term of service is 4 years and is the longest in Fidonet.
|
||
I should not hold this position again. Moreover, there
|
||
are many inter-countries projects in Zone 6 pending to be
|
||
implemented. I hope this can be achieved by another
|
||
friend here who has a stronger language ability.
|
||
|
||
S: What an open ZC you are! It is our luck to have you in
|
||
Fidonet. But we do feel regret about your resignation!
|
||
(Sighing...) Well... then why do you adopt democratic
|
||
election for this post? Why don't you adopt appointment?
|
||
|
||
H: Policy 4 has clearly stated: ZC is elected by RCs.
|
||
|
||
S: I see. Umm... we really hope we can have a good ZC like
|
||
you in the future. What quality do you think is
|
||
important for a good ZC...?
|
||
|
||
H: Should have a thorough understanding of Democracy and
|
||
Rule-of-Law...
|
||
And adequate language ability.
|
||
|
||
S: To be a good ZC is not easy...
|
||
Having been the Z6C for years, anything impressed you
|
||
most? Or made you regret...?
|
||
|
||
H: Yes, of course...
|
||
We had regions like Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong and
|
||
Macau, etc before 1988. The Network in Taiwan Region
|
||
came into being in April, 1988. It joined Zone 3 of
|
||
Fidonet on May 16, 1988. Besides, it took me more than a
|
||
FidoNews 11-49 Page: 21 05 Dec 1994
|
||
|
||
year's IDD call to Japan to deliver the program in 2400 BPS
|
||
in order to help them establish Japan Region on January
|
||
26, 1990. Zone 6 was established on November 2, 1990.
|
||
Two years after, we had applications from Philippines and
|
||
Korea.
|
||
|
||
To develop BBS in Asia, I had been to Shanghai, China
|
||
with Samson Luk (R61C) to help the BBS in China Region to
|
||
develop its network.
|
||
|
||
BBS sysops in Asians Regions had met in Taipei, Taichung,
|
||
Seoul and Tokyo successively in 5 SysOp's conferences.
|
||
All these stages are very impressive.
|
||
|
||
Umm... for the regrettable experience... I think it's my
|
||
inadequacy in English language. Also, I have been longing to
|
||
link up every Region in Asia via Internet to establish the
|
||
Z6 Backbone. But this project has not been launched
|
||
successfully yet. :-)
|
||
|
||
S: Hope this will come true one day...
|
||
Thank you very much and wish you every success in all
|
||
your future endeavour!
|
||
|
||
H: Thanks! :-)
|
||
|
||
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