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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No. 4 (23-Jan-1994)
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| A newsletter of the | |
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| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
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| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
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| | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Internet addresses: |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
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| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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NEW Handyman Echo!.......................................... 3
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What An Editor Is For....................................... 3
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My baby is NOT ugly!........................................ 6
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Nueva conferencia sobre politica: POLITICA.INT.............. 8
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 11
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Editorial
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 2 23 Jan 1994
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I'm not in a great mood. Sorry. Everyone anywhere who wants to
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tell me what to do should go away. Anyone even trying to
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entertain themselves or get something else done, i can tolerate
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easily. Someone just told me what to do by adding some whine to
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some soup i was intensely concocting without even gesturing
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first that that was what they were going to do to MY soup, so i
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thought about the scene for five minutes then threw the soup pot
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away, hot into the sink (Editor's note: against the wall,
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actually), amidst spashes of reddish liquid enhanced with
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flowering fresh thyme.
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Rebellion has its place. When no-one wants to hear what you
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have to say, sometimes it makes sense to yell. That's why i'm
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not so completely shamed by much of the input we've been getting
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lately, about how we should censor the Snooze. Of sourse, i'll
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hear about how wrong i am. Maybe in the future some articles
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that are very boring will become lost in the bit bucket.
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But those articles which don't make sense to me, i want to print
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those. What if they do make sense? I did not at all understand
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that article about dark fibre from months ago, and now look what
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is happening with the telephone networks! Fringe statements
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tend to have some girth to them. They suggest more than they
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portend.
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i know there's lots of whining going on. What's the opposite of
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that? Everything in it's place and all buttons polished? Some
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people do have sensible bitches to make. Not everyone, but some
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people.
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One of the purposes of this newsletter, i believe, is to ensure
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that there exists some last ditch forum for whines. Hopefully
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everything is tickey-boo and whining will be minimal. What am i
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saying!
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Everything isn't fine. I interrupted a conversation in some
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echo, which involved a couple of pseudo-or-real women, and was
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about what it's like to log on a BBS as a woman compared to what
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it's like to log on to a BBS as a man. I asked them to write an
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article. I hope they respond.
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Someone has offered to write a monthly "Mac User's" column. i'm
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hoping to hear from you too. Another purpose of the Snooze is
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to air some very interesting technical stuff in a forum where
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there are people willing to try new things.
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TTYL
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Articles
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 3 23 Jan 1994
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NEW Handyman Echo!
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by Mike Griffin
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Handyman and Woodworkers Echo
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Looking for a Woodworking Echo? Want to talk about that new
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power tool you just bought? Wanna swap some ideas on woodworking
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projects and crafts? Wanna talk about that deck you have been
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meaning to build? Need some tips on electrical, plumbing or
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carpentry?
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I am proud to announce the HANDYMAN echo available now!
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The echo will consist of all topics including home repair,
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woodworking, remodeling, plumbing, electrical, project design
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and planning, general tips, powertools and anything related to
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the HANDYMAN. This is an excellent place to swap those plans you
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drew up on the computer with someone else who might have just
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what you're looking for. We will cover from the smallest scroll
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saw cuts to building your dream home. Get tips from people who
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work in these fields everyday. Share your knowledge with the
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weekend do-it-yourselfer's.
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If you would like to carry this echo please contact the
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following person for feed info via NETMAIL. Dust off those tools
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and let's get crankin'.
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Contact:
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Mike Griffin
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1:106/5
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The Unnecessary Habit BBS
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Echotag: HANDYMAN
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What An Editor Is For
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What An Editor Is For
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Dennis McClain-Furmanski 1:275/429
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I've watched for years as various editors of the Snooze have
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implemented various editorial policies, and have frequently had to
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bite my tongue -- or more precisely fingers. I've also seen some
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pretty hefty hunks of diatribe tossed at us through this channel, each
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shovel load of self-interest followed closely by several more of
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adrenalin charged replies and accusations of or appeals for
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censorship.
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Recently, in FN 11 #3, Mike Bilow of 1:323/107 made as elegant an
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appeal for application of editing in the Snooze as any I've ever seen,
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or could muster myself for that matter. In apprehensive anticipation
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of some of the standard slams I expect him to get, I feel a need to
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offer some experience on just exactly what it is he's asking for. I
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still expect the diatribe and even some flack for facts such as the
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following. I just want to make sure that the emotional outbursts which
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will inevitably continue will do so with the knowledge that most of
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 4 23 Jan 1994
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the world uses as guidelines for publication. I have six years
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experience as the senior editor of one international publication and a
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year and a half as contributing editor of another local. I was asked
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to work for the second because of the job I've done on the first; I
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know my job.
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An editor is to edit his or her publication. They are to select those
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pieces which serve the needs of the audience. They should be selected
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for their ability to make decisions as to which serve those needs. It
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is their job to select from the submissions those pieces that they
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feel will make their publication good. This means rejecting those that
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do not serve to improve the quality.
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"Reject? But that's *gasp* CENSORSHIP!"
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Not just no, but HELL no, it's not. If it were censorship for an
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editor to reject those pieces which are not suitable *in their
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opinion*, then you'd be seeing pornography in Newsweek, Pat Robertson
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on CBS Evening News, and every twit with a nit to pick in every
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publication of every sort; everything submitted would have to be
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published. Life isn't like that, for those that haven't noticed.
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Censorship is when a governing body controls what a publication may
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publish. This is control from OUTSIDE the publication. Control
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exercised from INSIDE the publication is an editor doing his or her
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job. Hold your lunge for the Webster's (being a recognizable name
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associated with dictionaries, it is used as a marketing label by any
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publisher who wishes to; Webster's has no authoritative weight). If
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you're having the urge to look up 'censor' or some variation, hear
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this paraphrase from the recent movie Philadelphia, "We don't live in
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the dictionary, do we?" Live in the real world here. This is how
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things are, not how books say things are when they're taken as
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individual words, which is about as far out of any context as you can
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get.
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Somewhere around this point sputtering screeches of FREEDOM OF SPEECH
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resound. I have a hard nut to chew for those with a fixation on this
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phrase. The vast majority of you have no idea what this means, and
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therefore what your rights really are (as may be applied by your
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particular country of origin). Your right to free speech means you can
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say anything you want. And you can. Try it. See? Now go look at your
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national list of freedoms and see where it says that someone has to
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provide you with the means by which to say it. You won't find it.
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Nobody has to give you anything in the way of assistance in getting
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your point across. Want to talk? Fine. Want to publish? Go ahead. Want
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me to carry your words in the publication that I am responsible for
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producing? Bite the bugs off my windshield, bub, it ain't gonna
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happen, unless it fits what I as editor determine is appropriate
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material for that publication. You do not have the right to force your
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material into my publication.
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A right only exists when there also exists a corresponding duty on
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someone's part to provide you with the ability and/or means to do what
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the right allows. You may or may not have the right to speak your mind
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in public; check your local listings. There is no duty expressed or
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implied by any laws that I know of requiring the Snooze or any other
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 5 23 Jan 1994
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publication to print your opinion. Most every publication which does
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print your opinion either does so as a source of material -- it exists
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at least in part for that purpose -- or merely as a voluntary service.
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Has the Snooze an editorial policy? Mostly in the existential sense
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that most everything goes in because nobody rejects much of anything.
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Is that the desirable policy? If so, fine. If not, you as the audience
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need to let the editors know. You are after all their bosses. It's not
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even necessary to write an article about it. In fact, that's probably
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not even a good idea, as it'll just clog the thing with what amounts
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to a vote. A simple letter to the editor should suffice. If they
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choose to put it in, that's their karma.
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Everything and most kitchen sinks has been the policy so far, for the
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current and most past editors, making them more correctly collators,
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overseeing the technical process of manufacture more than selecting
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editorial content. Our current editors are no exception. But this is
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not to fault them for the job so far. They have done it the way it has
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been done, and have received little other direction. They've done fine
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with what they have to work with.
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But I feel that it's time that they review the editorial policy, by
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whatever means they find useful, and clarify for the readership what
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this policy is to be. Having done so, hopefully with the knowledge of
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what WE want in the Snooze, I charge them to do their job, regardless
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of the claims made by people who refuse to educate themselves on
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exactly what the rights they have are. Choosing to print everything is
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fine. Printing everything because everybody whines that you HAVE to is
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to succumb to ignorance and the pressure of the highly vocal minority
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which attacks every publication that they find they might be able to
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intimidate.
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Now, it seems to me that several people have complained about the
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content. ANY time this happens, an editor should take a look at what
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they're doing and reassess. This should be a constant process. And
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when many people complain the same way, an editor should listen hard.
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They should also try as best they can to determine if it's that vocal
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minority again. If any medium lends itself to investigation of
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opinions, it's this one. Ever hear of random sampling? Try sending out
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netmail to members at random and soliciting their opinion privately
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(offering to make it public if they wish).
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A driving concern for a product such as the Snooze should be is this
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the appropriate place for this? Consider; this medium provides
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enormous opportunity to express opinion. Let people express their
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opinions on topics of limited interest in their echomail areas of
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limited interest. Is it of network concern? Then maybe the network as
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a whole needs to know it. Does the network as a whole need to know
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about a particular view on (to choose a recent example) homosexuality?
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How will this particular opinion benefit the network?
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Finally, with a feeling for what the readers want, coupled with the
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resolve to represent the aim of the publication even in the face of
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disagreement, the editor must look at the available material and
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choose to publish or reject. Mercilessly and without favor. Or else
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 6 23 Jan 1994
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step aside for someone who can.
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The reader also has a say in it. If they don't like the editorial
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policy of the publication, they can not read it. Hell, give them their
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subscription money back. They can also send complaints to the editors.
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If they expect every single opinion to be expressed publicly, then
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they're ignorant, or worse yet, spoiled by an editorial policy bound
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to waste a great deal of time and space on topics of little interest
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to most
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Please, editors: Decide, clarify and state. We need a consistent
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editorial policy. Once this is done, no matter what it is, someone
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won't like it. But at least we won't have to listen to the constant
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blather about what should and should not be in, because there should
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be no need to provide space for that.
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And once you decide, edit. That's your job.
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My baby is NOT ugly!
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Don Dawson 1:141/730
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In FidoNews Vol.11 No. 2 (09-Jan-1994), Randy DeVaux - 1:141/701, from
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The Brookfield Community Internet BBS submitted an article called:
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The Nodelist - Quality is *NOT* job one
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This is an open reply to RanD (as he's known to all, including the
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nodelist).
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You've recently mentioned to folks in our region, net, and local
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sysop echoes that you gave me my node #. Actually it was about April
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of 1987. If you would like me to return it, fine.
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When echomail distribution was a disaster 5-6 years ago some of us
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got together and decided to do something about it. Echomail
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distribution has been almost problem free ever since. You chose not
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to participate. Fine.
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When SDS and SDN were started some time ago, you chose not to
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participate, except to take files from my system. Fine.
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For years you've been telling me your system supports file requests.
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But each time I try, including a couple weeks ago, it fails. When I
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ask about the failure, you assure me file requests work however hours
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are limited. You neglect to mention the hours during which I could
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try again. Fine.
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 7 23 Jan 1994
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You always successfully file request files from my system. Fine.
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I often find unexpected files in my inbound area that have arrived for
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no apparent reason from your system. Fine.
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You often send new echoes to my system un-announced. Fine.
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Early this year you decided to help your daughter with a Girl Scout
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project and you applied for and received a Government Grant to connect
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Connecticut schools to the InterNet. You decided to no longer be a
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Hub Coordinator. Fine.
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You nominated Tom Ruddy as an RC candidate in the RC election this
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Spring. You chose not to be a candidate yourself. Fine.
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You were properly nominated for NC of our network in the election held
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this summer. At the 11th hour, you withdrew. Fine.
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When the MailNodes were formed for the purpose of expediting netmail
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with local phone calls around most of Connecticut, you chose not to
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participate. Fine.
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Since getting involved with your InterNet project you've written
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message after message about FIDONET.ORG. I (and others) have
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asked you what FIDONET.ORG is, time and time again. You haven't
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answered. Fine.
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In recent months, and again as recently as this week, you've suggested
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Connecticut needs another FidoNet network yet you can't (won't?) tell
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anyone why. Fine.
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If you sincerely believe Connecticut needs another net and it can meet
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FidoNet requirements (at least 3 nodes, geographically contiguous,
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etc). Fine.
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When you told everyone that Santa brought you a CDROM writer and were
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asked how much a blank CD cost, you avoided answering the question.
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Fine.
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You recently resigned as moderator of CT_USER. You then withdrew your
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resignation and remain moderator. Fine.
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A few days ago your system sent me some Windows files and *.TICs that
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your system sent here early in the month. Fine.
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In your FidoNews story, you've complained about 141/1001 as a private
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entry in the nodelist. You've known it's a machine I installed in a
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closet in Ridgefield that sends echo and net mail between Danbury and
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Wilton (a LD) phone call. Want the nodelist entry and the machine
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removed? Fine.
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With all of these fine things, why am I writing?
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Your FidoNews story has several errors. For example:
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 8 23 Jan 1994
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Morton Sterheim - Network Coordinator 1:321/0
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321 0 - No Nodes Private or Down!
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If you re-check, you'll see that 321/163 was down in nodelist.007.
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Larry Kolada - Network Coordinator 1:327/0
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327/475 74 Down Down Down Down Down
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327/485 89 Down Down Down Down Down
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323/1000 75 Private Private Private Private Private
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Node 323/1000 (above) is actually 327/1000.
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Mark Goodwin - Network Coordinator 1:328/0
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328/865 77 Down Down Down Down Down
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Mike Girard - Network Coordinator 1:329/0
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329 0 - No Nodes Private or Down!
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Node 328/865 above is really 329/865. Mark had "No Nodes Private and
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Down". Not so with Net 329, Mike Girard. There is no 328/865 node.
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I "know" all of the above NC's. I'm certain they're too gentlemanly
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to embarrass you publicly as you have embarrassed them.
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You complained in the region sysop echo that your hub was sending you
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echomail during ZMH but failed to tell your hub until much later.
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When you finally did mention it to your hub, he corrected the error in
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a New York minute. He had a typo in his event file.
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I've seen much of the mail you've sent to our NC in the last 5 months
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harassing him about trivial issues. There's only one word I can think
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of to describe it: disgusting.
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My baby isn't ugly. Fidonet is still going and going and going...
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If InterNet is now your fancy, please go for it! Remember though,
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you're spending real money: OUR tax dollars.
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Lighten up, this *is* just a hobby.
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Nueva conferencia sobre politica: POLITICA.INT
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Nueva conferencia sobre politica: POLITICA.INT
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por Pablo Kleinman
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FidoNews 11-04 Page: 9 23 Jan 1994
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Desde hace unas pocas semanas que ha comenzado a ser distribuida
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una nueva conferencia de echomail, llamada POLITICA.INT. La misma
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se distribuye actualmente en varios paises de las zonas 1, 2 y 4,
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y esperamos sea un foro interesante para la discusion de temas que
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hacen a la politica tanto interna como externa, de los paises
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hispanos, y del mundo.
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A continuacion de esta nota, copio el reglamento del area, donde
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tambien hay un resumen sobre la orientacion y temas de la
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conferencia.
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Esperando verlos a todos por alli,
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-Pablo
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Normas de la conferencia POLITICA.INT:
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ETIQUETA (TAG)
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POLITICA.INT
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TITULO
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Area internacional en espanyol sobre politica.
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MODERADORES
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ZONA 1: Pablo Kleinman (1:10/100)
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ZONA 2: Manuel Fuentes (2:348/201)
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ZONA 4: Pedro Aguilera (4:880/1)
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TEMATICA
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Esta conferencia se destina al intercambio de informacion y
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FECHA DE LA ULTIMA ACTUALIZACION DE ESTAS NORMAS
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25 de Diciembre de 1.993
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Manuel Fuentes (2:348/201)
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Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
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M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
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