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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.10 No.43 (24-Oct-1993)
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| A newsletter of the | |
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| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
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| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
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| (_| /_) | |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
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| | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Internet addresses: |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
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| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 2
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Area Codes are a Changin'!.................................. 2
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The PRIME HOME_SCHOOLING Echo,.............................. 3
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Separation of Church & State Echo Now Available............. 4
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"Save Us From Ourselves Mr. Echomail Coordinator"........... 5
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FlameNet - A must for all FidoNet SysOps!................... 7
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Subj : Why I'm here......................................... 8
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A call for votes............................................ 9
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 10
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 2 24 Oct 1993
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Editorial
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Tolerance.
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Sometimes, one gets their comeupance. I found myself,
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this week, almost cutting an article. I wanted to. We all have
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our sore spots, and I will admit that mine are hate literature,
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violence, intolerance ... the mindset that says "I am
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*RIGHT*, and you will admit it or I will ram it down your
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throat."
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When we were applying for this job, I remember a letter to
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Tom Jennings. I am not sure which one of us said it, but the
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effect was that the net allowed each to speak mind-to-mind
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rather than face-to-face. That the net overrode colour, accent,
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sex, physical deformities and all the other stupid impediments
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to thinking of people as individuals. Tom replied that he liked
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to think of the net as a roomfull of people, armed to the teeth,
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but with no casualties.
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Freedom of the press has a great disadvantage; a press is
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an expensive beast, and freedom to use it in any form can only
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work if everyone has access. That has not been the case
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with the printing press, but it is far truer with a net like
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Fidonet. The intolerances can only be fought if we can first hear
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them, and we can then respond to them. Both are required.
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There is an election this week in Canada. One of the
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parties is campaigning on the premise of replacing the airforce
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with a team of levitating yogi's. Crazy. But then, fifteen
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years back, I remember two groups that campaigned on another basis.
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Essentially, the idea was that each side got 10,000 or so atom
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bombs. If the other side did not behave, then we all committed
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suicide by aiming and pulling the trigger. Crazyness is relative.
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We only get to choose when alternatives exist. Perhaps that
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is the great reward of tolerance: that we give others, and
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therefore ourselves, choices. I don't give a damn who is
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*RIGHT*. I wanna fly.
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Articles
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Area Codes are a Changin'!
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By Dave Blaser,
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UFP BBS @ 1:221/401.0
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Hello out there in FidoLand!
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How are you all out there in FidoLand? Everything's just peachy
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keen here in the wee igloo of Acton (home of the "famous" [HA!] Olde
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Hide House).
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I thought that for a change some of you might want to get away
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from the daily worries of Censorship and Elections (we just had an
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 3 24 Oct 1993
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election for the NC here in Net221, Congrats to Barry Redwood on
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becoming the next NC of Net221) and anything else that may worry you
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in your travels as a SysOp/User/Whatever in FidoNet and something I
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noticed in FNews 42 struck an interesting thought.
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Some of you, mostly those who live in Ontario, will have known
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that Bell Canada has split area code 416 in two. All those people
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who don't live in Metro Toronto now have the area code 905. This
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occurred on October 4th, in the year of Our Lord Nineteen Hundred
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and Ninety-Three (okay, a little too dramatic in the way I said it
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but you get the picture). Now I've just got one small problem.
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Some of the BBS' I call for mail have had their area code changed...
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problem is, I don't know which ones. One question: are the NC's of
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those areas who have had area codes (or even who have nodes who had
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their area code changed) going to submit a new section into whomever
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processes the nodelist and get everything fixed up, or are we just
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going to have to edit our own nodelists manually and spend countless
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hours doing that? Kind of a big request, but I'll even go to the
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trouble of asking wether or not someone in Toronto or the surrounding
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areas has a nodelist that is correct in area codes? And if so, can
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I F'Req it from you? Good old Bell Canada is only going to be fixing
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up the little problems like this for a short time.
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Responses are both accepted and encouraged, either through the Snooze
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or in the form of mail to my system..
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Thanks guys!
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Dave
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The PRIME HOME_SCHOOLING Echo,
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Steve Winter
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FidoNet 1:18/98
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As you may or may not be aware, the moderator of the FidoNet HOMESCHL
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echo has cut the feed to the PRIME network for her echo because I
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posted about a practicing Sodomite public school teacher here in a
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neighboring city (Chapel Hill, NC) who was giving explicit sexual
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materials to his class that included even child/adult sex in
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graphic detail. This has been front page news here in Durham, NC.
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The moderator of HOMESCHL demands an echo where a Sodomite or witch
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etc, can feel comfortable, an echo devoid of any standard of morality
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or decency (or any referrence to such). That type of sub-canine
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immorality is what has provided society with such things as AIDS,
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openly Sodomite public school teachers, and scoutmaster child
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molesters (read the news where they have dismissed 1700
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scoutmasters for child molesting?))
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If the terms "morality" or "decency" hold a positive meaning for
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you, please keep reading.
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I, though being an Apostolic Pentecostal (just basic true Biblical
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Christianity) preacher, do believe that homeschooling needs to be
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 4 24 Oct 1993
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regarded as a political rather than a religious issue.
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HOWEVER, even as a political movement, basic foundational
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principles of decency and morality must not be disguarded.
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I think that the news of a Sodomite public school teacher passing
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out pornography is "newsworthy" and should be considered by those
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who are considering homeschooling.
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If your interest in Home Schooling is in any way related to the
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principles of morality and decency that the USA was founded upon,
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you may wish to consider the HOME_SCHOOLING echo.
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This echo is not yet on the backbone and would cost you a few
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cents a week to pick up from 1:18/98.
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Thank you for your time,
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Steve Winter moderator/founder HOME_SCHOOLING 1:18/98@fidonet
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ps. If you wish a feed to HOME_SCHOOLING, just send me a direct
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netmail at 1:18/98 and BE SURE to pick a session and packet
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password. Then just start polling as you wish.
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Separation of Church & State Echo Now Available
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by: Charles Sumner
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1:2613/228
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NEW "CHURCH AND STATE" ECHO
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Recent activities by the religious right (and particularly
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religious extremists) have caused a new interest in defining and
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enforcing the principle of separation of church and state. To
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facilitate discussion on this particular issue, a new echo is now
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offered called CHURCH&STATE.
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This is a forum particularly for discussion of the meaning of the
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religious liberty clauses of the First Amendment. The actual
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wording is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
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of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The
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arbiter of the meaning of these sixteen words is the Supreme
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Court. However, there are groups which dispute the meaning. No
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less a personage than the Chief Justice has disparaged the
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Jeffersonian interpretation that the First Amendment created a
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"wall of separation" between church and state.
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Current battles are being fought to reintroduce government-
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sponsored prayers and Bible readings, to allow tax funding of
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religious schools, and even to declare this to be a Christian
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nation. There are those who wish no mention of God, those who
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think the church has no business in the affairs of the world,
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those who would like to have their religious beliefs dominate a
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pluralistic country.
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 5 24 Oct 1993
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Those who are (or ought to be) concerned about how these issues
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are decided are those in favor of reproductive rights, public
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schools, democratic pluralism, sex education, environmentalism,
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rights of homosexuals, civil liberties, and more. Others
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concerned are those opposed to censorship of literature and the
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arts, creationism as opposed to evolution, a prayer amendment,
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stealth candidates, a religious test for public office, rhetoric
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encouraging violence against abortion clinics, theocratic
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government.
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There are numerous groups advocating less separation between
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church and state. The largest and best-financed of these is
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undoubtedly the one calling itself the Christian Coalition. It
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now claims 450,000 members and has as its goal a chapter in every
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county. It has already taken over some 2000 school boards and has
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considerable influence in the Republican Party, which it expects
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to control by 1996.
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If you are interested in getting the latest information on
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these issues and are interested in getting involved, please
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contact Phillip Dampier at 1:2613/228 to arrange for a feed
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of the CHURCH&STATE echo. For a limited time, Phillip will
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be sponsoring the conference pending its placement on the
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Fidonet backbone. This will allow systems with 9600 bps or
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higher to have immediate access to the conference at no
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expense.
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We hope you can help make this echo a success.
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"Save Us From Ourselves Mr. Echomail Coordinator"
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by Phillip Dampier
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1:2613/228
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I decided not to reply to some of our comments I saw in response
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to my original Fidonews article pertaining to echomail conferences
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being removed from the backbone for "adult" content because I
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assumed most people would have understood the fact that I was
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speaking about the fact that sexual content is no longer the only
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criteria used to eliminate what is considered "offensive."
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Apparently some did not.
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I'm not about to get into some morality contest about what I
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feel is appropriate for kids to see. Everyone has different
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standards and their standards apply only to their own family,
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as far as I am concerned.
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Several years ago, the sexually explicit/fantasy echos moved to
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"othernets" like Adultlinks where ages can be verified before
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access is granted. I have no problem with this and I consider
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it a reasonable way of keeping echos devoted to sex fantasies
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out of the hands of kids.
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 6 24 Oct 1993
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My concern is that we've now moved beyond just removing
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echos for "sexual content." Two weeks ago, BITCH was removed
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from the backbone for violating someone's undefined standards
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of "adult" content. This came, no doubt, after several
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complaints from people who apparently weren't offended enough
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to turn off what they can't stand.
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It's the "Echomail Car Accident Syndrome" at play -- can't stand
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to look but can't help looking anyway.
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The point of my article was to demonstrate that such an undefined
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concept of "adult echomail" could be used by an echomail
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coordinator to remove almost anything that could be considered
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offensive by a minority of nodes.
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Justin's comments two weeks ago demonstrate clearly that my
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concerns have merit. In his opinion, he's not sure whether
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echos that pertain to homosexual and lesbian issues deserve a
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place on the backbone because they might incite someone to
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choose their sexual orientation.
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This would be funny if it wasn't so ominous. Justin misses the
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fact that homosexuals and lesbians have argued for years that
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their sexual orientation is not a choice. After all, if given
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a choice, would you choose to be hated by many, beaten by some,
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and discriminated against en masse?
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If Justin were in the position of determining what is and is not
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appropriate for the national echomail backbone, he could easily
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use the highly subjective rationale that conferences that pertain
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to gay and lesbian issues are "adult in nature" and have them
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removed.
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Worst of all, those that make the decisions are appointed or
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elected by a tiny minority within Fidonet. Individual nodes have
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no say in who gets to play "Minister for Decency."
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I don't need a Fidonet coordinator protecting me from myself.
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I don't personally read BITCH. I turned it on for awhile and
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found it puerile, adolescent, and completely irrelevent. I
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exercised my freedom of choice by turning it off.
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Apparently, some people who didn't like the echo couldn't just
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turn it off themselves -- they wanted it turned off for EVERYBODY.
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One reply to my original article suggested that conference
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participants would be consulted before an echo was removed.
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Guess again. No matter that dozens of nodes, who chose for
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who knows what reason to carry the BITCH echo, wanted to keep
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the echo -- it was removed anyway.
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Folks, it's not over yet. The latest draft of Zone One
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Echomail Policy suggests the creation of a moderator's appeal
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 7 24 Oct 1993
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council to reign in those out of control conference
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moderators from "going too far."
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When it rains, it pours. Alas, we'll have to leave this to
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another article.
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FlameNet - A must for all FidoNet SysOps!
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By, Kyle Hufford, 1:110/655
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FlameNet
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This is an article about a new net started a few months ago called
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FlameNet. FlameNet was originally started to rid our local FidoNet
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areas in net 110 of all the "flame" messages. It has been somewhat
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successful. All it is, basically, is a net based around flaming, and
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echoes that allow handles, and have no rules. There are many echoes
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that are available on different subjects from Clinton bashing, to
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general debates and arguments. Some of the other echoes include
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religious discussion, and even issues about abortion and sex. This
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net has done net 110 in the Dayton, Ohio area a great service. There
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are now half as many flame messages in our local Fido echoes.
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Even though the net was started locally here in Dayton, it has since
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spread throughout the country. The net is currently running in Ohio,
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Indiana, North Carolina, Kansas, Missouri, and California. There are
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many echoes available, and the net is expanding larger and larger
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every day. Another nice thing about this net is it is not only
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available through front end mailers. It is also available for boards
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who send and recieve echo mail with .QWK packets.
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If you are interested in recieving this net, FREQ the magic name
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FLAME from Matt Grewe @1:110/740, or route mail to me, Kyle Hufford
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@1:110/655 through node 1:110/150, and I will see to it that you get
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a copy of the info. The net is set up with zone '69'. Just simply
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fill out the application in the archive, and send it directly to Matt
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Grewe, or send it to one of the state NC's in your state if there is
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one. If you are not in one of the above mentioned states, you can
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become the NC for your state if you so desire. Thank you for taking
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the time to read this. Not only will it help get rid of flame
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messages in other nets, it is also a lot of fun! Actually, it's not
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all just flaming, there is some intelegent conversation every once in
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a while!
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 8 24 Oct 1993
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Call it a press release?
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From: Bill Teasley (1:147/3660)
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To: Editor (1:221/192)
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Fido respect continues to grow as evidenced by the below
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post (even if he can not spell YOKM's!).
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Currently SCOTT CARTER, Media Relations for Oklahoma
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Senate and MIKE RAY, representing the press for the Oklahoma
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House of Reps have their own local echo, interact with users and
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even use the local area for research (An open request for
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comments regarding Search and Seizure laws is on the table at
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this time).
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Favourable talks are also underway with three other
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state and two city level agencies. We look forward to Fido
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compatable access to boom in the Oklahoma City area!
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Bill Teasley, System Admin 1:147/3660
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=================================================================
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Forwarded by Bill Teasley (1:147/3660)
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Area : OKGOV (OKGOV)
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From : M.Scott, 1:147/3660 (11 Oct 93 13:55)
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To : All
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Subj : Why I'm here.
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==================================================================
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Since it seems that the fact the respective bodies of the
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Oklahoma Legislature are now BBSing, and this has dawn a few
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raised eyebrowns from Okla City's computer community, I though I
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dispell any current (and future) myths.
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My name is Scott Carter and I am a Media Infromation Officer
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with the OKlahoma State Senate. Have been a computer nerd since
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I was small enought to reach a keyboard, it seemed reasonable to
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compbine both fields.
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Bill, here at Daddy Yokams has been very helpful is working with
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me and my counterpart, Mike Ray, a the House of Representatives
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if working to deliver information to each of you.
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Why?
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To be honest, it's part of my job. And posting message here is a
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lot easier that watching them be altered and rehashed through
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the conventional press. My goal is to hopeful provide additional
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access to the general public about their government. (State,
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that is.)
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I probably won't be able to answer each question you have, But I
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can find someone who will.
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Also, we won't be soliciting anything other than a response (if
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 9 24 Oct 1993
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you feel so inclined).
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If you have a specific question to a specific Senator, I'll see
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that he or she gets it. Otherwise, the message will be answered
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by me.
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If you perfer a voice number mine is (405) 521-5698.
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Thanks,
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M. Scott
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A call for votes
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From: Jim Northrup (1:2200/2112)
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To: Editor (1:221/192)
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My name is Jim Northrup and I run a mostly free gateway service
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on a full feed usenet<->fido site.
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For the past few nodelists, I have had the name "UUCP" in the
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nodelist in the sysop feild.
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I am apparently a first in this.
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currently convention dictates a gateway only use a G (guucp)
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flag in the nodelisting for a gateway.
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Editor software using a nodelist must be made aware of this
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usage for gateway messages addressed to "UUCP". No easy task.
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Otherwise, one must break out list.com and find a GUUCP flag
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manually.
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Following a series of rude letters from "Software John", an NC
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and Gateway host on the west coast, to myself, my NC (who was
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highly annoyed with such rude personal address) and my RC (who I
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get the impression from my NC really has little concern with
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such squabbles), I have rescinded the listing configuration
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pending word from Bob Satti; The only relevant political entity
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that comes to mind.
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I ask for an informal vote thru netmail.
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Consider the usage of "UUCP" in the sysop name feild, when used
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by many seperate sites in various regions of the nodelist,
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providing a simple choice of gateways for use in an instant if
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there be a nodelist lookup for the name "UUCP".
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In my own eyes, this seems a very simple and straightfoward
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solution to a pile of misdesigned solutions to a simple problem.
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It only comes natural to do what's easiest (speaking for myself
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only).
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I ask carbon copy netmail (vote, comments) regarding this
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offered dynamic to both me, and Software John, by the general
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FidoNews 10-43 Page: 10 24 Oct 1993
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populace reading this, not the political structure itself. I
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have had no complaints from users or other sysops, only other
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gateway operators who have no desire to fly "UUCP" in the name
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feild of the nodelisting they offer.
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send identical netmail to the two following concerned parties:
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Jim Northrup 1:2200/2112.0 (native address)
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yyz!jim 1:2200/3.0 (converted nodelist
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gateway-postmaster address)
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yyz!jim@mbsun.mlb.org (internet/UUCP address)
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Software John 1:143/0.0 (my mailer receipt address in concerned
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netmail) Software John 1:143/8.0 (gateway address in nodelist)
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postmaster@kennel.fidonet.org (internet address given in netmail blasts)
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A tally of all replies and a text file will be compiled of the
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results of this poll. From here, I will base my further actions
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and comments in this debate over what I fly in my nodelisting.
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Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
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M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
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